CHERYL MOORE: GOOD EVENING, FLOWER MOUND. [00:00:01] THE TIME IS NOW 6:00 PM. AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE STAND AT THIS TIME FOR THE INVOCATION, GIVEN BY CHAPLAIN SPEIGHT, AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGES. JERRY SPEIGHT: THANK YOU. LET'S PRAY. FATHER, THIS EVENING WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR THE JOY OF KNOWING YOU. AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE BEAUTIFUL DAY THAT YOU HAVE CREATED FOR US. AND WE REJOICE IN THAT. WE THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE WE HAVE OF OPENLY PRAYING TO YOU, AND THANKING YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR US, AND HOW YOU KEEP US DAY BY DAY. AND THIS EVENING, WE DO WANT TO PRAY FOR OUR TOWN COUNCIL. AND WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE WISDOM FOR ALL THE DECISIONS TO BE MADE. I PRAY FOR ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. I PRAY FOR OUR POLICE. AND I PRAY FOR PROTECTION. AND ALSO, I WANT TO PRAY ESPECIALLY THIS EVENING FOR OUR MILITARY THAT, IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD, ARE IN DANGER'S WAY. AND I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD PROTECT THEM AND PROTECT OUR COUNTRY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS TIME TOGETHER. AND AGAIN, WE PRAY AND ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM AND WE PRAY THIS IN CHRIST'S NAME. AMEN. CHERYL MOORE: AMEN. ALL: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. CHERYL MOORE: THANK YOU, CHAPLAIN. HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. OK. BEFORE WE BEGIN TONIGHT, WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION [D. PRESENTATION(S)] FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS. AND SO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE RECENT LOSS OF ELIDA SHELTON AND BRIAN SHELTON AND SEND OUR CONDOLENCES FOR THEIR LOSS TO THE LOVED ONES AND FAMILIES. AND NO ONE SHOULD FEEL UNSAFE IN THEIR HOME EVER. AND SO THIS COMES AT THE RIGHT TIME WITH THIS LOSS IN FLOWER MOUND TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE DOMESTIC AWARENESS. AND SO ACCEPTING THIS PROCLAMATION IS LAURA NELSON FROM THE FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. LAURA NELSON: DO YOU WANT READ IT FIRST? CHERYL MOORE: YEAH. LAURA NELSON: OK. CHERYL MOORE: SO WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE HAS A PROFOUND IMPACT ON INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, AND COMMUNITIES CAUSING LASTING PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL, FINANCIAL, AND PSYCHOLOGICAL HARM, AND TOO OFTEN, THE LOSS OF LIFE, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH RECOGNIZES THE COURAGE AND RESILIENCE OF THOSE WHO HAVE SURVIVED ABUSE WHILE AFFIRMING OUR COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY TO CREATE COMMUNITIES WHERE EVERY PERSON CAN LIVE FREE FROM VIOLENCE. MORE THAN ONE IN THREE WOMEN AND ONE IN SIX MEN IN THE US EXPERIENCED SEXUAL VIOLENCE, PHYSICAL VIOLENCE, AND/OR STALKING BY AN INTIMATE PARTNER DURING THEIR LIFETIME. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CAN GO BEYOND PHYSICAL ASSAULT TO ENCOMPASS PSYCHOLOGICAL, EMOTIONAL, FINANCIAL, AND SEXUAL ABUSE. FAMILY VIOLENCE SERVICE PROVIDERS, SUCH AS DENTON COUNTY FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY, ADVOCATES, LAW ENFORCEMENT, PROSECUTORS, JUDGES, HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS, EDUCATORS, FAITH LEADERS, AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS WORK COLLABORATIVELY [00:05:04] TO PREVENT VIOLENCE, SUPPORT SURVIVORS, AND HOLD OFFENDERS ACCOUNTABLE. THE TEXAS COUNTY ON FAMILY VIOLENCE HAS DOCUMENTED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE HOMICIDES ACROSS OUR STATE VIA THE HONORING TEXAS VICTIMS REPORT. EVERY OCTOBER, WE GATHER TO MOURN AND HONOR THE LIVES OF TEXANS LOST TO THIS VIOLENCE. IN TEXAS, BETWEEN 2020 AND 2024, 848 WOMEN WERE KILLED BY THEIR INTIMATE PARTNERS. 28 OF THOSE WERE HERE IN DENTON COUNTY. AND RECENTLY, WE HAD A FAMILY DIE. THESE OBSERVANCES HONOR THOSE WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN TAKEN, UNITE AND RENEW THE COMMITMENT OF ADVOCATES WORKING TO END DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND POLICYMAKERS ABOUT THE PREVALENCE AND DEVASTATING IMPACT OF ABUSE. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEY ENSURE THAT THE STORIES OF THOSE WHO EXPERIENCED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARE REMEMBERED, THEIR LIVES ARE HONORED, AND THEIR VOICES CONTINUE TO EMBOLDEN ACTION. SO NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND THAT IT DOES HEREBY RECOGNIZE THE MONTH OF OCTOBER AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH AND CALLS UPON THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND TO JOIN THE EFFORTS OF DENTON COUNTY FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY TO END FAMILY VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. LAURA NELSON: THANK YOU. MAY I SAY A FEW WORDS TO THE COUNCIL? MAY I SAY A FEW WORDS? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND FOR READING OUR PROCLAMATION. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH WANTS TO BRING AWARENESS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS AN EPIDEMIC IN OUR NATION AND, HONESTLY, ACROSS THE WORLD. WHILE I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU, I WANT TO SHARE SPECIFIC ABOUT FLOWER MOUND. WE HAVE PROVIDED SERVICES TO NEARLY 90 FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS SO FAR THIS YEAR, AND 140 LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR, WE PROVIDED NEARLY 01,000 HOURS OF SERVICES TO THOSE 140 CLIENTS. I ALSO WANT TO SHOUT OUT A KUDOS TO FLOWER MOUND POLICE DEPARTMENT. I KNOW THAT THERE'S COMMAND STAFF HERE, BUT I WOULD SAY IT EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T HERE, I PROMISE. BUT THEY ARE ACTIVE MEMBERS IN OUR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE HIGH RISK TEAM, WHICH MEANS THAT WE TAKE REFERRALS REGARDING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, TAKE THOSE THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST LETHALITY INDICATORS SUCH AS FIREARMS IN THE HOME, STRANGULATION, SEXUAL ASSAULT, THOSE INDICATORS THAT, IF THAT VICTIM STAYS IN THAT RELATIONSHIP AND THAT ABUSER CONTINUES TO ABUSE, WHICH WE KNOW THEY ARE LIKELY TO DO, THAT THEIR DEATH IS IMMINENT. SO FLOWER MOUND PD HAS DESIGNATED STAFF TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS EVERY MONTH, AND TALK ABOUT THOSE HIGH RISK CASES, AND TO HELP OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN OUR COMMUNITY INVESTIGATE THEIR HIGH RISK CASES. THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN STRONG LEADERS IN OUR SEXUAL ASSAULT RESPONSE TEAM THAT MEETS EVERY OTHER MONTH, AS MANDATED IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE. AND SO I WANT TO THANK Y'ALL AS LEADERS OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR SUPPORTING THEM IN THEIR WORK. AND I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR SUPPORTING OUR WORK. IT TAKES TRULY A TEAM TO DO THIS KIND OF WORK AND TO DO IT WELL. AND WE HOPE THAT SHARING THIS PROCLAMATION AND ANYONE IN THE ROOM, OR ANYONE WHO MAY BE WATCHING ONLINE, AS I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE QUITE GOOD AT THAT, I HOPE THAT EVERYONE WHO KNOWS SOMEONE THAT IS IMPACTED BY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE KNOWS THAT THEY CAN REACH OUT TO DENTON COUNTY FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY. THE 24/7 HOTLINE WILL BE VERY HAPPY TO CONNECT THEM WITH SERVICES. THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH. CHERYL MOORE: THANK YOU. LAURA NELSON: MAY WE TAKE A PHOTO? CHERYL MOORE: YES, YES, YES, PLEASE. LAURA NELSON: GUYS, Y'ALL WANT TO COME UP, TOO. Y'ALL ARE A PRETTY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS. DO YOU? THANKS. I LOVE THAT. THANK YOU. PARTICIPANT 1: LET'S SCOOT THIS WAY IF WE CAN, EVERYBODY TO THEIR RIGHT. [00:10:06] ONE, TWO, THREE. CHERYL MOORE: OK. [E. PUBLIC COMMENT] WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO COME UP AND MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT ITEMS THAT ARE NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU ARE COMING FORWARD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, YOU DO NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE BRING UP THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND AT 30 SECONDS THAT IS REMAINING, YOU'LL HEAR A LITTLE BUZZER. AND YOU STILL HAVE 30 SECONDS SO NO WORRIES. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE ANERI TUSHAR SOLANKI. AND STILL, WHEN YOU COME UP, BECAUSE I DON'T PRONOUNCE NAMES VERY WELL, SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN AND SAY WHAT MUNICIPALITY YOU'RE FROM. PARTICIPANT 2: CAN YOU REACH? OK. ANERI SOLANKI: HONORABLE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND FELLOW CITIZENS OF FLOWER MOUND, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANERI SOLANKI AND I AM HONORED TO STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY AS A PROUD CITIZEN OF FLOWER MOUND TO EXTEND A WARM INVITATION ON BEHALF OF THE BAPS SHRI SWAMINARAYAN MANDIR IN DALLAS. WE INVITE THE HONORABLE MAYOR, EACH MEMBER OF THE FLOWER MOUND CITY COUNCIL, AND ALL FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS TO JOIN US WITH THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN CELEBRATING THE AUSPICIOUS FESTIVAL OF DIWALI, ALSO KNOWN AS THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS, ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2026, FROM 3:00 TO 8:00 PM AT THE BAPS SHRI SWAMINARAYAN MANDIR IN DALLAS. THIS YEAR, WE ANTICIPATE WELCOMING OVER 11,000 VISITORS FROM ACROSS THE METROPLEX FOR A CELEBRATION CENTERED AROUND THE THEME LIGHT BEYOND LAMPS. THROUGHOUT THE EVENT, GUESTS CAN ENJOY A VARIETY OF DELICIOUS FOOD AT FOOD STALLS. IN ADDITION, IN OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET, AND IMMERSIVE EXHIBITION WILL BE DISPLAYED WHICH WILL PROVIDE KNOWLEDGE AND HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF CULTURAL AND MORAL VALUES, CELEBRATING COMMUNITY, GRATITUDE, AND THE TRADITIONS THAT BIND GENERATIONS TOGETHER. VISITORS WILL ALSO EXPERIENCE THE TRADITIONAL ANNAKUT DISPLAY, ALSO CALLED "A MOUNTAIN OF FOOD," FEATURING AN OFFERING OF OVER 1,000 VEGETARIAN DISHES ALONGSIDE A BAPS CHARITIES FOOD DRIVE TO GIVE BACK TO THOSE IN NEED. IN THE SPIRIT OF CIVIC PRIDE, OUR EVENING STAGE PROGRAM INCLUDES A SPECIAL AMERICA 250 CELEBRATION FEATURING VETERANS AND FRONTLINE WORKER APPRECIATION TO HONOR OUR NATION AND LOCAL HEROES, FOLLOWED BY AN EVENING CULTURAL PROGRAM AND A GRAND FIREWORKS FINALE. BY JOINING US AT THE EVENT ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 10, YOU WILL NOT ONLY TAKE PART IN A VIBRANT CULTURAL CELEBRATION BUT ALSO EXPERIENCE THAT UNIVERSAL MESSAGE OF UNITY, REFLECTION, AND HOPE THAT DIWALI BRINGS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING THE MAYOR, EACH MEMBER OF THE FLOWER MOUND CITY COUNCIL, AND FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS TO OUR CELEBRATION. THANK YOU. CHERYL MOORE: SO, MS. SOLANKI, I KNOW I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO ASK A LADY THIS, BUT HOW OLD ARE YOU? ANERI SOLANKI: 9. CHERYL MOORE: YOU'RE NINE, AND YOU HAD ALL THAT TO SAY? HOW CAN ANYBODY SAY NO TO YOU? THEY CAN'T. WELL, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT DIWALI. [00:15:02] ANERI SOLANKI: THANK YOU. CHERYL MOORE: THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? OK. I HAVE SOME MORE PUBLIC COMMENT FORMS. THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK. WE HAVE CINDY JONES, WHO IS OPPOSED TO THE ARTS CENTER. JACKIE NORELL, WHO IS IN SUPPORT OF THE ARTS CENTER. BOND OR NO BOND? THE ARTS CENTER. IT SAID BOND. IS IN SUPPORT OF THE ARTS CENTER? LARRY NORELL, YOU PUT OPPOSITION. DID YOU PUT OPPOSITION? WHAT? TO THE BOND. OK. YOU PUT OPPOSITION TO THE BOND. YOU PUT OPPOSITION TO THE BOND. I COULDN'T READ IT. LARRY NORELL: SORRY. CHERYL MOORE: YEAH. TO THE BOND. OK. THREE OPPOSITIONS TO THE BOND. ALL RIGHT. AND LIZ BRANNON, OPPOSITION TO THE BOND. AND THEN ANN MARTIN, ALSO OPPOSITION TO THE BOND. AND THEN WE HAVE LAVERNE AMSTERDAM IN SUPPORT-- SORRY, TERRIBLE READING-- OF THE ARTS CENTER FACILITIES BOND. LAVERNE AMSTERDAM: NO. I'M SORRY. IT SAID OPPOSITION ALSO TO THE BOND. CHERYL MOORE: OH, IT SAYS SUPPORT. I'M SORRY. I'M GOING TO CHANGE THAT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENT CARDS OR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE I CLOSE IT? WE DO HAVE THE WORK SESSION COMING UP A LITTLE BIT LATER SO IF YOU WANT TO-- IF YOU DECIDE TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THAT WORK SESSION, I'LL OPEN IT BACK UP. ALL RIGHT. OK. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS. [F. ANNOUNCEMENTS] COUNCIL. CLARE HARRIS: I HAVE SOMETHING. CHERYL MOORE: OK. WE'LL START DOWN HERE. GO FOR IT. CLARE HARRIS: THIS WEEKEND, THE FLOWER MOUND PUBLIC LIBRARY IS HOSTING THE ANNUAL FAMILY FRIENDLY HAUNTED LIBRARY EVENT ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 24 FROM 2:00 TO 4:00 PM. SPOOKY THEMED AREAS WILL BE TRANSFORMED INSIDE THE LIBRARY. THERE WILL BE CARNIVAL GAMES, CRAFT STATIONS, AND PRIZE GIVEAWAYS. AND FAMILY-FRIENDLY COSTUMES ARE ENCOURAGED. CHERYL MOORE: OK. ANYONE ELSE? NO? OK. LET'S MOVE ON. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE TOWN MANAGER'S REPORT. [G. TOWN MANAGER'S REPORT] JAMES. JAMES W. CHILDERS: MAYOR, WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION, SO IF YOU COULD JOIN ME ON THE FLOOR, I'D APPRECIATE IT. AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS IN ADVANCE. I LITERALLY JUST GOT OFF AN AIRPLANE, SO IF I'M ALL OVER THE PLACE, I'M GOING TO BLAME IT ON JET LAG. BUT EVERY MONTH WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE EMPLOYEES THAT REACH CERTAIN SERVICE MILESTONES HERE WITH THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND. IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO, NUMBER ONE, JUST INTRODUCE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE OUR ORGANIZATION GO, WHICH ARE OUR EMPLOYEES. AND ONE OF THE COOL THINGS THAT WE DO IN THAT IS WE HAVE A FUN FACT. AND THIS IS A BIG ONE TODAY. I'M GOING TO ASK LYNDA BOLITHO, OUR DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES, TO COME JOIN ME UP FRONT. THE REASON WHY I LOVE THIS ONE IS THAT-- LOOK AT THAT PICTURE. WOW. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE ASK THE EMPLOYEE TO GIVE A FUN FACT. AND HR COORDINATES THIS IN A LOT OF CASES THAT THEY TRY TO DRAW A FUN FACT. THERE'S SOME PRETTY INTERESTING THINGS THAT OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE IN THEIR BACKGROUND. BUT USUALLY, WE STRETCH. IT'S LIKE A COUPLE SENTENCES. BUT LYNDA, SHE TALKS THE TALK. SHE HAS A STORY ON HERE THAT I'M GOING TO READ HERE TONIGHT. BEFORE I GET TO THAT, THOUGH, LYNDA BOLITHO. IT'S HER 30-YEAR SERVICE ANNIVERSARY HERE WITH THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND. AS I MENTIONED, SHE SERVES AS OUR DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES. SHE WAS HIRED AS AN EMPLOYMENT COORDINATOR IN OCTOBER OF 1996, [00:20:02] RECLASSIFIED HR SPECIALIST IN JANUARY OF 2000, AND PROMOTED TO HER CURRENT POSITION OF DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES IN OCTOBER OF 2001 SO GOING ON 25 YEARS AS OUR DIRECTOR HERE. SO HERE'S LYNDA'S FUN FACT. WHILE LYNDA ISN'T AT WORK, YOU CAN USUALLY FIND HER WITH A GOOD BOOK, LISTENING TO A LEGAL OR TRUE CRIME PODCAST, OR IN THE KITCHEN COOKING UP ONE OF HER FAMOUS SUNDAY DINNERS FOR HER FAMILY. LYNDA AND HER HUSBAND, JASON, WHO'S SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE THERE-- RAISE YOUR HAND, JASON, SO WE CAN SEE YOU. ALL RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. I'M GOING TO EMBARRASS YOU-- MET WHILE THEY WERE BOTH SERVED IN THE US AIR FORCE AND HAVE BEEN MARRIED FOR AN INCREDIBLE-- SHE PUT INCREDIBLE-- 36 YEARS. AND SHE'S ESPECIALLY PROUD OF THEIR DAUGHTER WHO TEACHES AT FLOWER MOUND HIGH SCHOOL. RECENTLY, LYNDA WAS ALSO ENJOYING SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL, LISTENING TO THE VINYL RECORD COLLECTION THAT HER DAD LEFT HER. GOING THROUGH THOSE RECORDS HAVE GIVEN AN EVEN DEEPER APPRECIATION FOR HOW MUCH HER DAD INFLUENCED HER LOVE FOR MUSIC. AND CLEARLY, THAT LOVE SPANS JUST ABOUT EVERY GENRE OF MUSIC. BUT IF YOU ASK LYNDA ABOUT HER FAVORITE ROLE, THERE'S NO CONTEST. IT'S BEING NANA TO HER WONDERFUL GRANDSON, NATHAN. HE KEEPS HER YOUNG, KEEPS HER ACTIVE, AND HAS INTRODUCED HER TO SOME VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAMMING, SPIDEY AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS-- I'LL VOUCH FOR THAT ONE-- BLUEY AND PAW PATROL. AND LYNDA ADMITS THAT SHE MAY LOVE THEM ALMOST AS MUCH AS NATHAN DOES. AND THAT'S HOW THOSE HOOKS GO IN THERE. THE ONE THING I WILL SAY, JUST AS A LITTLE EXTRA BONUS ADD-ON, AS MANY OF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, THIS IS MY SECOND STINT WITH THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND. I WAS A BUDGET INTERN HERE BACK DURING STARTING IN THE SUMMER OF 2002. AND AROUND 2003 IN THE SUMMERTIME, I WAS AN INTERN BECAUSE I WANTED A FULL TIME JOB. I WANTED HEALTH INSURANCE. I WANTED BENEFITS. I WANTED TO START MY CAREER. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I APPRECIATE ABOUT LYNDA IS SHE MADE A SPACE FOR ME. SHE ACTUALLY TOOK A-- WAS IT A RISK MANAGER POSITION-- AND RECLASSIFIED IT TO HER HR GENERALIST, WHERE I GOT TO DO EMPLOYEE RELATIONS, SAFETY, WORKERS' COMP, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND THAT WAS MY FIRST FULL TIME JOB. SO I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE FACT THAT SHE CREATED A SPACE FOR ME. AND I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WOULD ADMIT THAT I COME BACK AND JUST MAKE HER LIFE A YOU KNOW WHAT. BUT WE JUST REALLY, GENUINELY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT LYNDA DOES. SHE'S HAD AN INDELIBLE IMPACT IN THIS ORGANIZATION OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS. SO PLEASE JOIN ME AS WE GIVE LYNDA A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR 30 YEARS. [APPLAUSE] LYNDA BOLITHO: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. JAMES W. CHILDERS: SO WHEN DID YOU START? YOU WERE SIX. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? AND MAYOR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT. CHERYL MOORE: OK. WE'LL MOVE ON TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD? OK. THEN WE'LL GO TO COORDINATION CALENDARS. [I. COORDINATION OF CALENDARS] NOVEMBER 2 IS OUR REGULAR MEETING, NOVEMBER 16 ANOTHER REGULAR MEETING, AND NOVEMBER 19 A WORK SESSION. CAN EVERYBODY ATTEND THOSE? OK. EVERYBODY'S IN TOWN? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE CONSENT ITEMS J1 THROUGH 12. [J. CONSENT ITEM(S)] DOES ANYONE WISH TO REMOVE ANY AGENDA ITEM-- SORRY, CONSENT ITEM, OR MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE? ADAM SCHIESTEL: MAYOR, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 1 THROUGH 12 AS PRESENTED. CHRIS DREW: SECOND. CHERYL MOORE: OK. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PARTICIPANT 3: COUNCIL MEMBER WERNER. JANVIER WERNER: AYE. PARTICIPANT 3: DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR? BRIAN TAYLOR: AYE. PARTICIPANT 3: COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? CLARE HARRIS: AYE. PARTICIPANT 3: MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL? ADAM SCHIESTEL: AYE. PARTICIPANT 3: COUNCIL MEMBER DREW? CHRIS DREW: AYE. CHERYL MOORE: OK. CONSENT ITEMS PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. WE ARE GOING TO START WITH OUR REGULAR ITEMS. [K.1. Reimbursement Resolution - Consider approval of a resolution declaring expectation to reimburse expenditures with proceeds of future debt in the amount of $122,315,000.00 and authorizing the preparation of the documents associated with the issuance, sale, and delivery of the debt obligations; and providing an effective date.] WE ARE GOING THROUGH OUR REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION THIS EVENING. AND JOHN IS GOING TO KICK THAT OFF. PARTICIPANT 1: ONE SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I AM HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO EACH YEAR PRIOR TO DEBT ISSUANCE. THE BIGGEST REASON WE DO THIS IS BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO START PLANNING PROJECTS AND START SPEND BEFORE ISSUING THOSE FUNDS, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THAT TIME TO BASICALLY START THOSE PROJECTS. SO THIS YEAR IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, [00:25:01] BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE VOTER APPROVED DEBTS INCLUDED. SO OVERALL, THIS REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION IS FOR $122 MILLION. THE LARGEST CHUNK OF THAT IS VOTER APPROVED DEBT. AND SO I'LL GO INTO WHAT EXACTLY IS IN THAT VOTER APPROVED DEBT NUMBER IN JUST SOME MINUTES. BUT WATER REUSE IS A KEY PART OF THIS. AND SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS MAY CHANGE. BUT AT THE TIME THAT WE DRAFTED THIS, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD. WATER PROJECTS ARE ABOUT $17 MILLION, WASTEWATER PROJECTS ARE ABOUT $8 MILLION. AND THEN THAT LITTLE SMALL YELLOW PIECE RIGHT THERE IS $460,000, AND THAT'S JUST FINANCING COST. SO THIS IS JUST A GOOD OVERVIEW TO SHOW WHAT WE'RE ISSUING FOR AND WHY WE'RE ISSUING IT. SO WHAT'S IN THAT VOTER APPROVED NUMBER? SO WE HAVE STREET RECONSTRUCTION, COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER, AND PARKS AND TRAILS. AND SO THIS JUST GIVES YOU ANOTHER IDEA OF WHAT SOME OF THAT VOTER APPROVED DEBT IS. OUR RESIDENTS VOTED IN-- I BELIEVE IT WAS $108 MILLION IN VOTER APPROVED DEBT. SO THIS IS OUR FIRST BIG TRANCHE OUT THERE. WE'RE STEPPING INTO THAT AND STARTING THAT PROCESS. SO HERE IS A LIST OF THE PROJECTS. THIS GIVES YOU VERY SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT STREETS ARE INCLUDED, ABOUT WHAT FACILITY IS. AND PARTICULAR THE COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER RENOVATION AND EXPANSION IS THE LARGEST PROJECT ON HERE. I PULLED OUT WATER REUSE FROM WATER CAPITAL PROJECTS BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT IS A VERY LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY PROJECT. AND SO I WANTED TO STRUCTURE THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND PULL THAT OUT OF THAT NUMBER BECAUSE UNDERSTANDING, BUILDING SOMETHING NEW VERSUS WATER RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IS IMPORTANT. OVERALL, THIS IS PRETTY TYPICAL FOR WHAT WE DO. IT'S JUST A BIT LARGER OF A NUMBER THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST. AND SO COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OVER THESE PROJECTS OR ANYTHING INCLUDED IN THIS REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION? MAN 1: DISTRICT [INAUDIBLE], WE DON'T ISSUE ALL THE DEBT AT ONCE. IS THAT CORRECT? PARTICIPANT 1: SO NO. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT ALL THE DEBT. SO THESE ARE JUST CHUNKS AND PIECES OF THE DEBT. AND SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A $122 MILLION TOTAL UP HERE, IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO ISSUE EVERY BIT OF THAT BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO AS WE GET INTO ENGINEERING PROJECT TRACKING, THESE ARE JUST THE PROJECTS WHICH WE BUILT INTO OUR SIP THIS YEAR WHICH WE'RE ELIGIBLE TO START. IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT ALL OF THOSE WILL START THIS YEAR. SO WE TRY TO BE AS INCLUSIVE AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN IS YOU NEED A STARTER PROJECT AND YOU DON'T HAVE AUTHORIZATION FOR IT. THANKS. ADAM SCHIESTEL: SO THE PROCESS WAS WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A BOND, WE HAD A COMMITTEE. WE AGREED TO MOVE THE BOND FORWARD TO THE VOTERS. THE VOTERS APPROVED IT. NOW WE'RE ISSUING THIS RESOLUTION, AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO THEN HAVE MORE ITEMS TO ISSUE THE ACTUAL DEBT? PARTICIPANT 1: YES. SO THIS IS STARTING THE PROCESS WHEN WE GO OUT AND ISSUE THE DEBT THAT WILL HAPPEN IN ABOUT MID SPRING OR LATE SPRING. SO WE'LL BRING YOU BACK THE DEBT BY THEN. BUT IF WE WAITED TILL THAT TIME PERIOD, WE COULDN'T BEGIN START ON THE ENGINEERING. ADAM SCHIESTEL: OK. SO YOU CAN'T GO OUT AND START THE PROCESS OF ISSUING THE DEBT UNTIL YOU HAVE THIS RESOLUTION? PARTICIPANT 1: YES, SIR. ADAM SCHIESTEL: OK, THANK YOU. CHERYL MOORE: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OK. NO DISCUSSION POINTS? DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE A MOTION? BRIAN TAYLOR: I MOVE TO APPROVE REGULAR ITEM K1 AS PRESENTED. CHERYL MOORE: SECOND. OK. TRACY? TRACY: COUNCIL MEMBER DREW. MAN 2: AYE. TRACY: MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL. ADAM SCHIESTEL: AYE. TRACY: COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. CLARE HARRIS: AYE. TRACY: DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR. BRIAN TAYLOR: AYE. TRACY: COUNCIL MEMBER WERNER. JANVIER WERNER: AYE. CHERYL MOORE: OK. ITEM K1 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. OK. SO JAKE SPECKLES IS GOING TO GIVE OUR NEXT PRESENTATION. [K.2. TRP26-0004 Alexan the Point Phase II - Public Hearing to consider an application for a tree removal permit (TRP26-0004) for one (1) specimen tree on the property known as Alexan the Point Phase II for the proposed development. The property is generally located east of Lake Forest Boulevard and north of Silveron Boulevard. (The Environmental Conservation Commission recommended approval by a vote of 6 to 0 at its August 4, 2026, meeting). (Town Council postponed this item to the September 21, 2026, meeting by a vote of 3 to 0 at its August 17, 2026, meeting.) (Town Council postponed this item to a future meeting by a vote of 5 to 0 at its September 21, 2026, meeting.)] THIS IS ON THE TRP ALEXAN THE POINT PHASE II. IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE APPLICATION FOR A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. PARTICIPANT 1: I'M GOING TO GET OFF THIS. SORRY. CHERYL MOORE: THIS IS COMING BACK TO US. JAKE SPECKLES: ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING. WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ITEM K.2. TRP26-0004. JUST TO RECAP. THIS SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 8.6 ACRES. IT'S PART OF PD-156, AND IT'S ZONED FOR COMBINED USES. GOT THE SIX SPECIMEN TREES OUT THERE. ONE OF THEM IS BEING REQUESTED FOR REMOVAL. SO THERE'S THAT ONE SPECIMEN TREE THAT WE LOOKED AT BEFORE, AS WELL AS THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE MARKED TO BE PRESERVED. AND THEN MITIGATION. THAT REAL QUICK. [00:30:01] YEAH. SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PLANT SOME REPLACEMENT TREES THERE. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I CAN ANSWER THOSE. OTHERWISE, THE APPLICANT'S HERE AND THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED. CHERYL MOORE: WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE APPLICANT COME. TOMMY MANN: CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THIS PART? JAKE SPECKLES: YEAH. TOMMY MANN: BECAUSE I'LL SCREW IT UP. JAKE SPECKLES: WE'LL JUST GO. TOMMY MANN: CAN I GO TO A FULL SCREEN VIEW? THERE WE GO. TOMMY MANN, 500 WINSTEAD BUILDING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. SO THIS ITEM WAS POSTPONED, I THINK, TO ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER EVALUATE THE PLAN, THE NECESSITY FOR THE REQUEST, AND BE SURE YOU ALL ARE MAKING THE DECISION WITH A FULL AMOUNT OF INFORMATION FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF EXHIBITS HERE TO DEMONSTRATE THE WORK WE'VE DONE AND WHY THE REQUEST IS HERE, AND THEN SOME INFORMATION TO SHARE. THEN WE HAVE THE TEAM AVAILABLE SHOULD YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. BUT STAFF MENTIONED THIS SITE IS IN A PD THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2017. IT'S A VERY PRESCRIPTIVE PD. IT HAS ABOUT 52 PAGES. ABOUT HALF OF THOSE ARE EXHIBITS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT HAS TO COMPLY WITH. AND THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM A CONCEPT PLAN THAT LOCATES BUILDINGS, STREETSCAPE PLANS, OPEN SPACE PLANS, A MINIMUM SIZE PARK, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO RATHER THAN BELABOR IT BY WALKING YOU THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE EXHIBITS, WE CHOSE ONE TO HELP AID THE ANALYSIS OF THE IMPACT OF PRESERVING THIS TREE ON THE APPROVED PLAN AND ZONING. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IN GREEN IS THE TREE IN QUESTION, AND THE GREEN CIRCLE REPRESENTS ITS CRITICAL ROOT ZONE. WE'VE OVERLAID IT WHERE IT EXISTS RELATIVE TO ONE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE STREETSCAPE FROM THE PD. THIS IS AN ACTUAL EXHIBIT FROM THE PD. AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THE TREE REMAINS IN THAT CRITICAL ROOT ZONE IS OBSERVED. WE RUN AFOUL OF MULTIPLE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PD. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR US TO PRESERVE THE TREE AND COMPLY WITH THE ZONING AS IT EXISTS. AND THAT IS DUE LARGELY TO ITS LOCATION AND HOW PRECISE AND PRESCRIPTIVE THIS PD IS. NOW, THAT SAID, WE WENT AHEAD AND ANALYZED, OK, COULD WE SEEK AN AMENDMENT OF THE ZONING WITH A REVISED PLAN AND PRESERVE THIS TREE? AND THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T THINK THE TREE WOULD SURVIVE EVEN IF WE DID THAT. FIRST OF ALL, POST OAKS ARE HIGHLY SENSITIVE, AND THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS IN AND OF ITSELF IS VERY LIKELY TO DESTROY THE TREE. BUT EVEN IF IT SURVIVED THE CONSTRUCTION, THE POST CONSTRUCTION STATUS OF THE PROPERTY AS REGRADED WITH RETAINING WALLS AND WHERE THE WELL WOULD SIT AND EVERYTHING. IT'S THE OPINION OF OUR ARBORIST AND TEAM THAT IT WOULD NOT SURVIVE IN THAT SCENARIO. SO WE'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE DO NEED THIS APPROVAL. NOW, I WILL NOTE IF, TO THE EXTENT IT'S ANY SOLACE, THE MITIGATION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON OUR CURRENTLY PENDING SITE PLAN REQUIRES 42 TREES. WE ARE PROPOSING 62. SO AN ALMOST 48% INCREASE ABOVE. AND THAT'S WITH ACTUAL TREES, NOT JUST PAYING INTO A FUND. AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY SIX SPECIMEN POST OAKS ON THIS SITE. AND WE ARE PRESERVING FIVE OF THEM. SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO ITS LOCATION, WE CAN'T PRESERVE. WE THINK HOPEFULLY WITH THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, YOU UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT HERE OUT OF A DISREGARD FOR TREES. WE UNDERSTAND PEOPLE LIKE TREES MORE THAN APARTMENTS. TRUST ME, WE UNDERSTAND THAT ONE. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE IN THIS CASE, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION DID UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO YOU. SO HOPEFULLY WITH THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE APPROVING THE REQUEST, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANKS. CHERYL MOORE: OK. ADAM SCHIESTEL: YEAH. OK, SORRY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE PD, AS IT'S CURRENTLY-- THE EXHIBITS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, YOU DO NOT FEEL LIKE YOU COULD OPERATE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE PD AND ALSO SAVE THIS TREE. TOMMY MANN: CORRECT. SO FOR INSTANCE, THE PD REQUIRES A BUILD TWO ZONE. IT'S VERY SPECIFIC. SO THIS STREET SECTION HERE, THE BUILDING HAS TO FALL WITHIN 10 AND 13 FEET OF IT. IF YOU LEAVE THE STREET WHERE IT IS, YOU HAVE TO MOVE THE BUILDING BACK AND YOU VIOLATE THAT BUILD TWO ZONE. IF YOU MOVE THE STREET TO THE NORTH, YOU'RE GOING INTO THE 3.1 ACRE PARK WHERE THE OTHER FIVE POST OAKS ARE IN ANY EVENT. AND IF YOU MOVE IT TO THE SOUTH, IT DESTROYS THE BUILDING. SO IT'S A VERY UNFORTUNATE SPOT ON THE OVERALL SITE IN THE CORNER TO WHERE WE CAN'T MOVE THINGS AROUND AND COMPLY WITH THE PD AND PRESERVE IT AT THE SAME TIME. ADAM SCHIESTEL: AND LEXAN, IS IT THE OPINION OF STAFF THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND AGREE THAT THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO OPERATE IN THE PD WITHOUT A MODIFICATION THAT [00:35:02] WOULD BE DISCRETIONARY AND THEN FOLLOW THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE FOR POST OAK PRESERVATION? WOMAN 1: YES, BASED ON THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN AS WAS JUST DESCRIBED, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY COULD MOVE THE STREET THAT WOULDN'T FURTHER IMPACT ADDITIONAL TREES. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A WAY WITHOUT COMPLETELY REDESIGNING THE SITE TO SAVE THE TREE. ADAM SCHIESTEL: OK, SO THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. I MEAN, THE SITUATION THAT I FIND THIS IN IS THAT NINE YEARS AGO, SOMEBODY TRIED TO CLAIM THAT THIS ONE TREE WAS TWO TREES. AND IT'S NOT. ANYBODY, COMMON SENSE, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE THAT IT'S DEFINITELY NOT TWO TREES. SO FOR SOMEONE TO PUT THAT ON THE SURVEY, IT QUESTIONS WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS DONE IN GOOD FAITH. I DON'T LIKE THAT. BUT THERE'S TWO PARTIES IN THIS. WHOEVER DID THAT SURVEY DIDN'T BRING US A DOCUMENT THAT WAS ACCURATE. AND THEN WE ACCEPTED THAT DOCUMENT. SO THAT'S SHAME ON US AS WELL. SO THIS PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION PLAN. AND THE PROTECTION PLAN DOES TALK QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF TREE PRESERVATION ON THIS SITE. CAN YOU JUST GET INTO THE MITIGATION ASPECT OF IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THIS EPP IF WE DO GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THIS TREE? TOMMY MANN: YEAH, SO THE HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY, AND OUR LANDSCAPE TEAM CAN GET MORE GRANULAR AS NEEDED, IS THAT THE MITIGATION REQUIRED BY THE SITE PLAN THAT'S PENDING WOULD BE FOR US TO PLANT 42 NEW TREES. OUR PENDING SITE PLAN BEFORE YOUR STAFF ACTUALLY HAS 62 NEW TREES PLANNED AS MITIGATION. I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPTION TO PAY A FEE. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. WE'RE ACTUALLY REPLACING WITH NEWLY PLANTED CALIPER INCHES ON SITE. ADAM SCHIESTEL: THE DOCUMENT TALKS ABOUT ADDITIONAL TREE AND OTHER NATIVE VEGETATION PLANTINGS, HABITAT IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, AND GREEN SPACE PRESERVATION. OBVIOUSLY, WE DO HAVE SOME GREEN SPACE PRESENTATION. I BELIEVE IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF PARTNERING WITH THE TOWN ON OUR POST OAK REFORESTATION PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING? DID YOU DISCUSS THAT WITH YOUR TEAM? TOMMY MANN: YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT ONE? MATT VINTEN: MATT VINTEN WITH LANDDESIGN, 5217 ALPHA ROAD, SUITE 140, DALLAS, TEXAS. SO AFTER THAT MEETING, WE DID TALK WITH MATTHEW WOODS ABOUT THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WITHIN THE PARK THAT WE HAVE OPENINGS, AND WE CAN DETERMINE BASED ON GOING OUT THERE, WE CAN FIND SPOTS AND AS MANY TREES AS WE CAN GET. AND IN THAT PROGRAM, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO PLANT. CHERYL MOORE: I THINK THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE GREEN ACRES WAS HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE SUN THAT THEY HAVE. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SHADE THERE. DOES THAT AREA HAVE SHADE THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING? SOME SHADE. MATT VINTEN: THERE IS SOME SHADE. I MEAN, IT WILL GO IN WITH THE EXISTING STANDS OF TREES, BUT THERE'S OPENINGS AND CLEARINGS IN THERE THAT WE CAN GET INTO AND WORK. ADAM SCHIESTEL: SO THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE 62 THAT ARE IN YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN. MATT VINTEN: YEAH. WE ACTUALLY ARE PLANTING OVER 170 TREES, 72 ADDITIONAL TREES WITH THE STREET TREES, WITH THE PARKING TREES, WITH THE STREET BUFFER TREES. AND IN ADDITION TO THE MITIGATION TREES. ADAM SCHIESTEL: AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS ISN'T HIGH USE AREAS. IT HAS TO BE AREAS WHERE THEY'RE BASICALLY LEFT ALONE. IS THAT-- MATT VINTEN: CORRECT. SO THEY WILL GO INTO PARK, WHICH IS LEFT TO BE PRESERVED IN ITS NATURAL AREA. ADAM SCHIESTEL: OK. CHERYL MOORE: YEAH. IT'S A NICE COMPROMISE. ADAM SCHIESTEL: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. CHERYL MOORE: BEST WE CAN GET. OK. TOMMY MANN: THANK YOU. CHERYL MOORE: JAKE, DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE ON YOUR PRESENTATION? WERE YOU GOOD? JAKE SPECKLES: NO, MAYOR. CHERYL MOORE: OK. COUNCIL, DO YOU NEED TO DELIBERATE ANYMORE OR DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE THIS-- WELL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'M GOING TO JUST GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT TO PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OK. NOPE. NO TAKERS. JANVIER WERNER: I HAVE SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO ADD. FIRST OF ALL, I DO SEE A SINCERE EFFORT TO REFOREST, AND THAT DOES GO A LONG WAY. MY PREFERENCE IS TO SAVE, OF COURSE, A MAGNIFICENT SPECIMEN LIKE THIS. ONE THING, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE VOTE WILL GO, BUT MICHAEL ROWAN WITH TECC-WEST IN LISD HAS A NEW WAY FOR HIS SCHOOL TO TAKE THE TRUNKS AND POSSIBLY TURN IT INTO LUMBER. AND HE WANTED US TO REACH OUT TO YOU AND GIVE YOU HIS CONTACT INFORMATION. SO THIS IS MICHAEL ROWAN WITH LISD. [00:40:03] CHERYL MOORE: HAVE YOU ALL TALKED TO ALTON BROWN, WHO'S DOING-- SPEARHEADED THE OAKS TO ACORNS PROGRAM? MEGAN SMITH: WE DIDN'T SPEAK TO-- CHERYL MOORE: OH, CAN YOU COME UP? MEGAN SMITH: MEGAN SMITH, THE APPLICANT. WE DIDN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY TO HIM, BUT WE DO HAVE HIS CONTACT INFORMATION. AND MATTHEW WOODS PUT US IN ROTATION, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONNECT. CHERYL MOORE: OK, THAT'S GOOD. MEGAN SMITH: YEAH. CHERYL MOORE: I LIKE THAT. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CHRIS DREW: YEAH, I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE WE MISSED THIS ONE, BUT I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME CONNECTIONS WITH THE OVERALL MEASURING GUIDES. SO THAT WILL PREVENT THIS FROM THE FUTURE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK TO INCORPORATE THE ACORNS TO POST OAKS. MEGAN SMITH: THANK YOU. CHRIS DREW: THANK YOU. BRIAN TAYLOR: YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING AN HONEST LOOK AT THIS TO SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE, WHAT YOUR OPTIONS WERE. AND THEN THE FACT THAT YOU ARE GOING OVER AND ABOVE WITH THE 62 VERSUS 42 MITIGATION TREES AND THEN ALSO THE ACORNS TO OAKS. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE SINCERE EFFORTS YOU GUYS HAVE MADE ON THIS. ADAM SCHIESTEL: YEAH, MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT, I MEAN, IT WAS A BIG MISS ON THE PART OF THE APPLICATION, BUT IT WAS A MISS ON THE PART OF THE TOWN. AND I'M JUST REALLY PLEASED THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TEAM IN PLACE NOW TO VALIDATE THESE SURVEYS AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. SO I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION YOU'RE IN. AND JUST, I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE JAKE GOING OUT AND VALIDATING. AND THIS IS UNLIKELY, IN MY OPINION, TO HAPPEN ANOTHER TIME. AND I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE MORE SKEPTICAL NOW, LIKE WE SHOULD BE. SO I APPRECIATE IT. AND I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU GUYS UP. CHERYL MOORE: I APPRECIATE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE ON TRYING TO SAVE THAT TREE AND YOUR MAKING A COMPROMISE TO HELP US OUT ON OUR OAKS AND ACORNS PROGRAM. SO THAT'S NICE. ALL RIGHT. CLARE HARRIS: I JUST APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. AND I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THE POST OAKS PLANS AND THE ACORN, SO. ADAM SCHIESTEL: YET FOR THAT TECH WEST WOOD SHOP, DON'T LET THE CREW COME IN THERE AND CHOP THAT THING DOWN AND CUT IT INTO PIECES AND GRIND IT UP. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO-- I IMAGINE IT'LL HAVE TO BE FAIRLY INTACT, AT LEAST IN SECTIONS WHERE IT'S USABLE. SO IF YOU COULD COORDINATE WITH TECH WEST, THAT'D BE GREAT. MEGAN SMITH: YEAH, WE'LL BE CERTAIN TO REACH OUT. ADAM SCHIESTEL: GIVE THIS THING A SECOND LIFE. TOMMY MANN: AND WE HAVE MICHAEL'S CONTACT INFORMATION. WE'LL REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT AND TRY TO COORDINATE THAT AS WELL. JANVIER WERNER: THANK YOU. ADAM SCHIESTEL: OK, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF K2. CHRIS DREW: SECOND. CHERYL MOORE: OK. TRACY: COUNCIL MEMBER WERNER. JANVIER WERNER: AYE. TRACY: DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR. BRIAN TAYLOR: AYE. TRACY: COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. CLARE HARRIS: AYE. TRACY: MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL. ADAM SCHIESTEL: AYE. TRACY: COUNCIL MEMBER DREW. CHRIS DREW: AYE. CHERYL MOORE: OK, ITEM PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. CONGRATULATIONS, YOU ALL. [K.3. Health Plan Reinsurance Renewal - Consider approval of a reinsurance renewal for the Town's Group Health Plan with Amwins Stealth through Voya Financial for the amount of $2,215,159; and authorization for the Mayor to execute the same on behalf of the Town.] OK, OUR NEXT REGULAR ITEM IS THE HEALTH PLAN REINSURANCE RENEWAL. AND OUR VERY OWN LYNDA BOLITHO IS BACK UP HERE TO JOIN US AND GIVE THE PRESENTATION. LYNDA BOLITHO: GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LYNDA BOLITHO. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES. TONIGHT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON OUR STOP LOSS RENEWAL. WE NORMALLY COME TO YOU IN USUALLY DECEMBER. BUT WITH THE CHALLENGES OF THE MARKET AND THE ADVICE OF OUR CONSULTANT, WE WENT OUT A LITTLE EARLIER THIS YEAR AND WE THOUGHT-- WE THINK WE BROUGHT YOU A GOOD RENEWAL. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, WE HAVE SCOTT GIBBS. HE'S THE EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF MARSH MCLENNAN. USED TO BE MCGRIFF. SO SCOTT WILL BE DOING OUR PRESENTATION. SCOTT GIBBS: THANKS, LYNDA. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, SCOTT GIBBS WITH MARSH AGENCY, FORMERLY MCGRIFF. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY. WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE STOP LOSS RENEWAL, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT. ALSO WANTED TO PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH SOME INFORMATION JUST ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE OVERALL HEALTH BENEFIT LANDSCAPE. SO WE'LL COVER THESE. LIKE I SAID, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT STATE OF THE HEALTH BENEFIT COSTS. I'LL REMIND EVERYONE WHAT OUR STOP LOSS COVERAGE IS AND WHAT TYPES OF STOP LOSS COVERAGES ARE OUT THERE, AS WELL AS JUST A QUICK COUPLE SLIDES ON THE STOP LOSS MARKET. WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT OUR CURRENT STOP LOSS COVERAGE IS. I ALSO HAVE A SLIDE IN HERE, REPORT ON OUR HISTORICAL STOP LOSS CLAIM ANALYSIS. SO IT'S CLAIMS VERSUS PREMIUMS AND LOSS RATIO. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RFP RESULTS AND CONSIDERATIONS AND HOPEFULLY GET A RECOMMENDATION AND NEXT STEPS [00:45:01] FROM YOU. SO I THINK IT'S NOT A SURPRISE. I THINK EVERYBODY READS. I MEAN, EVERY DAY, I'M GETTING BLOWN UP WITH NEW ARTICLES AND HEALTH COSTS ARE GOING UP. TREND IS GOING UP. I THINK I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR 32 YEARS. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN TREND GOING THIS WAY SINCE PROBABLY THE MID '90S. SO THERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT. THE POSITIVE THING IS I THINK WE'RE BLESSED TO WORK WITH LYNDA AND DAVINA AND HER TEAM. WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO MITIGATE THOSE COST INCREASES WITHOUT AFFECTING THE BENEFITS THAT ARE BEING OFFERED TO THE EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN. REALLY, THE FOUR DRIVERS THAT WE SEE, WE DO A WE DO A TREND ANALYSIS EVERY YEAR. AND REALLY, THE FOUR THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING-- AND HONESTLY, I NATIONALLY RUN OUR PUBLIC ENTITY VERTICAL ON THE HEALTH BENEFITS SIDE. AND I CAN TELL YOU, ACROSS OUR BOOK OF BUSINESS, WE ARE ACTUALLY JUST SEEING A HIGHER SEVERITY OF CLAIMS. SO PEOPLE ARE GOING IN AND THEY'RE AT LATER STAGES OF DISEASES THAN TRADITIONALLY IN THE PAST. WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF SLIPPAGE IN PREVENTIVE CARE MEASURES. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT. PHARMACY IS REALLY-- IT'S A BIG CULPRIT. THE GLP-1S WHICH ARE OUT THERE, WE'RE CONTINUALLY MONITORING PROGRAMS OUT THERE TO HELP US WITH THOSE COSTS. THE SPECIALTY DRUGS ARE REALLY-- SPECIALTY DRUGS MAKE UP A LOT OF TIMES 2% OF THE DRUGS, BUT 60% TO 70% OF THE SPEND. THERE ARE A LOT OF DRUGS IN THE PIPELINE TO BE PASSED. I MEAN, THEY ARE MIRACLE DRUGS, BUT THEY ARE NOT CHEAP. THEY'RE $1 MILLION TO $2 MILLION. THE HEALTH CARE ECONOMICS, THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, BILLS GET PASSED. AND THE THOUGHT IS, THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT. ONE EXAMPLE IS THE NO SURPRISES ACT, WHERE IT PUT IN TO LEGISLATION AN INDEPENDENT DISPUTE RESOLUTION FOR HIGH DOLLAR OUT-OF-NETWORK CLAIMS. REALLY, IT'S ARBITRATION. AND WE'VE SEEN THE NUMBER OF CLAIMS THAT WERE REALLY PROJECTED TO BE AFFECTED. IT'S ABOUT 2,000% MORE THAN THAT. WE HAD FEDERAL COURT IN NEW ORLEANS RULE THE OTHER DAY THAT IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO CONGRESS, AND CONGRESS NEEDS TO FIX IT. PRESIDENT TRUMP RELEASED A STATEMENT LIKE YESTERDAY. BUT WITH IT BEING A MIDTERM ELECTION YEAR, NOTHING IS REALLY GOING TO GET DONE PROBABLY UNTIL AFTER THE NEW YEAR. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GETTING PASSED, AGAIN, TODAY. I SAW ONE, IT'S ABOUT INTERNATIONAL PROCUREMENT, AND IT GOT DELAYED TO JANUARY 20. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS THAT THE TOWN CAN ADHERE BUT NOT CAUSE A COST INCREASE. THE LAST IS REALLY WORKFORCE TRENDS. IT'S WE START LOOKING AT CLAIMS AND WE BREAK IT DOWN REALLY BY GENERATIONS. SO GEN Z, MILLENNIAL, GEN X, BABY BOOMERS. BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THEY ALL BUY DIFFERENTLY WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH BENEFITS. AND THE CLAIM COSTS ARE DIFFERENT FOR EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES. SO WHAT WE REALLY TRY TO DO IS LOOK AND TAILOR THE PROGRAM AND DO THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO ADDRESS EACH EMPLOYEE WHERE THEY ARE. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME. I TALKED ABOUT THIS. THE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. 2025, THERE WAS 99.4%. I SAW ONE THE OTHER DAY THAT WAS PROJECTING PHARMACY DRUGS AT 12% IN 2027. SO THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE REALLY STAGGERING. I ALWAYS PUT THIS SLIDE IN BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS-- IT'S A LITTLE DATED, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP, IT SAYS $965.5 BILLION IS THESE IS THE EXPECTED SIZE OF THE SPECIALTY PHARMA MARKET BY 2030. THINK ABOUT THIS. GROWING FROM 92 BILLION IN 2023 TO 129 BILLION 2024, AND THEN EXPECTED TO GO TO 965 BILLION. THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND HOPEFULLY THAT IS ON SOMEBODY'S RADAR TO ADDRESS. [00:50:05] AGAIN, 11% TO 12% IS EXPECTED INCREASE IN PHARMACY. SO BUT I WILL SAY, THAT BEING SAID, THE TOWN'S PLAN IS RUNNING WELL. I THINK WE DID GET A GOOD STOP LOSS RENEWAL. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. STOP LOSS INSURANCE IS-- WE HAVE A SELF-FUNDED HEALTH PLAN. SO THE TOWN PAYS THE CLAIMS UP TO AN INDIVIDUAL AMOUNT. SO WE HAVE THAT STOP LOSS TO PROTECT US FROM THE FINANCIAL LOSS ASSOCIATED WITH VERY CATASTROPHIC CLAIMS. SO OURS IS AT 185,000. SO THE TOWN PAYS UP TO $185,000. AND THEN THE REINSURANCE CARRIER, VOYA, PAYS ABOVE THAT. AND THE CONTRACT IS BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE STOP LOSS CARRIER. SO SPECIFIC, AS I SAID, IS ON A PER PERSON BASIS. WE ALSO ACQUIRE AGGREGATE STOP LOSS COVERAGE, WHICH IS AN AMOUNT-- IT'S AN AMOUNT ABOVE THE PROJECTED AGGREGATE OF OUR EXPECTED CLAIMS. SO IT'S ABOUT 25%. SO SHOULD OUR CLAIMS RUN HORRIBLY, WE DO HAVE A BACKSTOP OF 25% FROM AN AGGREGATE STANDPOINT. I PUT LASERING ON HERE. LASERING IS AN EFFECT WHERE, IF YOU HAVE KNOWN CLAIMANTS, THEY WILL LASER THEM OUT OF THE CONTRACT AND PUT A HIGHER AMOUNT ON THEM. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE UNDERWRITING AND EVERYTHING, WE TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT. SO MUCH WITH THE HEALTH CARE MARKET. THE CURRENT STOP LOSS MARKET IS CRAZY. THIS IS PROBABLY THE HARDEST MARKET I'VE EVER SEEN. I'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO GO OUT WITH SOME 49% RENEWALS TO GROUPS JUST BECAUSE OF THE HIGH DOLLAR CLAIMANTS. AND ESSENTIALLY, A LOT OF THE CARRIERS, THEY HAVE STOP LOSS RATIO CONCERNS. SOME OF THEM GOT IN THE BUSINESS, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT. AND THEY'RE GETTING KILLED. I THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN, LIKE IN ANY BUSINESS, I THINK SOME OF THE BAD ONES WILL GO AWAY, THE GOOD ONES WILL STAY. WE HAVE VOYA, WHICH IS REALLY A GOOD ONE. SO THIS YEAR, WE HAD A FAVORABLE RENEWAL. THIS IS AN AGES STUDY THAT WAS DONE EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND IT SHOWS YOU WHERE THE ANNUAL PREMIUM INCREASES BY INDIVIDUAL DEDUCTIBLE ARE AND WHERE THEY ARE OVERALL. SO IN 2026, THE NEGOTIATED PREMIUM FOR STOP LOSS WAS-- THE AVERAGE WAS BETWEEN 13.6% AND 15.9%. WE SIT IN THAT 200. WE'RE RIGHT UNDER THE 200,000, WHERE IT'S AT 14.4. WE DO BUDGET WHEN WE LOOK AT BUDGET. WE HAD 15% BUDGETED. SO WE CAME IN WELL UNDER THAT, WHICH IS GOOD. SO VOYA IS OUR CURRENT CARRIER. OUR DEDUCTIBLE, AS I SAID, $185,000. WE DO HAVE AN ATTACHMENT FACTOR, THAT AGGREGATE FACTOR OF 125%. S SO THE CURRENT STOP LOSS PREMIUM'S APPROXIMATELY $2,071,000 BASED ON OUR HEADCOUNT. THROUGH SEPTEMBER OF 2026, THE TOWNS HAD FOUR CLAIMANTS EXCEED THE CURRENT DEDUCTIBLE AND COLLECTED. WE DO HAVE THE FOUR CLAIMANTS OUTSIDE, TOO, THAT WE PUT IN THERE. SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE HISTORICAL STOP LOSS CLAIM ANALYSIS. I THINK YOU CAN SEE WE MOVED TO VOYA IN 2025 AND WE RECEIVED A MINUS 36% INCREASE. WE DID SOME CONTRACTUAL THINGS. WE MOVED TO 185,000 LAST YEAR. EVERY YEAR, MY TEAM DOES AN ANALYSIS OF THE DEDUCTIBLE TO SEE IF WE SHOULD BE GOING UP WITH OUR SIZE. THIS YEAR, THE 185,000 WAS WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO STAY. SO WE'RE AT A MINUS 2% LAST YEAR. SO THIS YEAR, WE ARE AT ABOUT JUST UNDER A MINUS 9%. I THINK YOU CAN SEE WITH THE FOUR LASER CLAIMS, WE'RE RUNNING ABOUT 1.6 MILLION ON 2 MILLION IN PREMIUM. SO ABOUT 81%. SINCE 2018, THE CARRIERS HAVE ACTUALLY LOST ABOUT 567,000. BUT IF YOU LOOK FROM 2024, WE HAVE PERFORMED BETTER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LOSS RATIO, WHEN IT COMES TO STOP LOSS, [00:55:01] THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING TYPICALLY FOR ABOUT 70% TO 75%, WHICH IS 75% CLAIMS VERSUS THAT FOR THE RISK THAT THEY'RE TAKING. SO ON AUGUST 3, THE HR TEAM, IN COLLABORATION WITH MARSH AND MY TEAM, WE SOLICITED BIDS FROM 17 REINSURANCE CARRIERS. WE RECEIVED PROPOSALS FROM FOUR VENDORS. VOYA, WHICH IS THE INCUMBENT PARTNEREE, HCC, AND SUN LIFE. 13 VENDORS DECLINED TO, QUOTE, DUE TO UNCOMPETITIVE RATES OR ONGOING LARGE CLAIMS. SO WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, LOOKED AT EVERYTHING WITH THE TEAM. AND THIS IS THE ANALYSIS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. I THINK YOU CAN SEE THAT THE VOYA RENEWAL CAME IN AT 8.98%. THAT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT $185,000 INCREASE. PARTNEREE SUN LIFE AND HCC, NONE OF THOSE RATES, NONE OF THEM CAME BACK IN FIRM. THEY WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT CLAIMS, ANOTHER MONTH OF CLAIMS. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO ACCEPT THE RENEWAL. VOYA, THEY'VE BEEN A GOOD PARTNER. THEY PAY CLAIMS QUICKLY. I THINK THE RENEWALS THEY'VE GIVEN US HAVE BEEN FAIR. SO LIKE I SAID, THE 8.98% PREMIUM INCREASE REPRESENTS ABOUT $186,000. ON THE FIXED BUDGET, WE BUDGETED IN 15%. AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO PAY THE LASER CLAIMS AS THEY'RE INCURRED VERSUS INCREASED FIXED MONTHLY PREMIUM. AND THEN WE ARE STILL USING QUANTIFY SPECIALTY CARE FOR SOME OF OUR HIGH DOLLAR CLAIMS. AND WE CONTRACT THOSE OUTSIDE OF THE CONTRACT, SO. WITH THAT, THIS PLAN WOULD GO INTO EFFECT 1/1/2027. STOP LOSS IS AN ANNUAL CONTRACT, AND IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT ANNUALLY, JUST BECAUSE THE CLAIMS, AS I WAS TALKING ABOUT, JUST ARE MOVING SO FAST IN THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY. SO I'M GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. MAN 1: SO YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR TEAM DOES AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE DEDUCTIBLE. WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE DEDUCTIBLE LEVEL FOR THE TOWN? SO I ASSUME IN DOING THAT, YOU LOOK AT WHAT A DEDUCTIBLE IS VERSUS WHAT THE PREMIUM WOULD BE AND EXPECTED CLAIMS TO-- SCOTT GIBBS: AND WE DO A THREE-YEAR LOOK BACK. MAN 1: A THREE YEAR LOOK BACK. SCOTT GIBBS: YEAH, SO WE'LL GO-- FOR INSTANCE, 185,000. I THINK WE ALSO GOT QUOTES FOR 200,000 AND 225,000. WE DO A THREE-YEAR LOOK BACK TO COMPARE PREMIUM VERSUS CLAIMS. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU CAN SEE IT PLAYS OUT WHERE YOU NEED TO GO. AND THAT'S WHY LAST YEAR, WE RECOMMENDED GOING FROM 165 TO 185. MAN 1: OK. AND SO, AND, AGAIN, YOU THINK 185 IS THE SWEET SPOT. SCOTT GIBBS: YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. AND AGAIN, NEXT YEAR, WE'LL LOOK AT THE SAME THING. MAN 1: OK. SCOTT GIBBS: BEFORE WE COME TO PRESENT TO YOU. CHERYL MOORE: AND HOW MANY PROVIDERS DID YOU LOOK AT? SCOTT GIBBS: THERE WERE 17 THAT WAS SENT OUT TO. ONLY FOUR RESPONDED. VOYA WAS REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT PROVIDED A FIRM RESPONSE. THE OTHER THREE WANTED ADDITIONAL CLAIMS INFORMATION. SO WHICH IS NOT-- IT'S NOT UNCOMMON. SO-- CHERYL MOORE: IS THERE BOUTIQUE TYPE OF PLANS WHERE-- BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE FOUR OTHER CLAIMS WITH HIGH MEDICAL NEEDS-- SCOTT GIBBS: WE DO COMMUNICATE THAT. AND SO THERE ARE VENDORS THAT DO GIVE US-- THEY DO GIVE US CREDIT FOR THAT. VOYA IS ONE OF THOSE. CHERYL MOORE: OK. SCOTT GIBBS: SO. ADAM SCHIESTEL: SO YOU MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THEM OR A COUPLE OF THEM WANTED MORE INFORMATION. IT LOOKED LIKE ON THE SIDE THAT HAD THE PERCENT INCREASE, ONE WAS 5.4% THE SUN. SCOTT GIBBS: YEAH. ADAM SCHIESTEL: OR NOT SUN. BUT THE PARTNEREE. SO SINCE WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO GIVE THEM MORE INFORMATION TO SEE IF THEY COULD BE COMPETITIVE AT THAT 5%? SCOTT GIBBS: HONESTLY, THE AMOUNT IS VERY SMALL COMPARED TO THE RISK OF HAVING TO GO BACK OUT. BECAUSE VOYA WOULD WANT THE SAME OPPORTUNITY. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO TAKE THE VOYA RENEWAL. I MEAN, IT IS A GOOD RENEWAL. AND WE'RE LOCKED IN WITH THEM. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I THINK YOU CAN SEE WHERE SUN LIFE CAME IN AND WHERE HCC CAME IN. I THINK PARTNEREE IS PROBABLY-- I THINK THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE FISHING A LITTLE BIT FOR MORE CLAIMS, AND THEN I THINK THEY PROBABLY ARE GOING TO WIND UP SOMEWHERE NORTH OF THAT. BUT THAT 8.9, LIKE I SAID, IT'S UNDER WHAT WE HAD IN THE BUDGET. I THINK 8.9 AND 9 HAVE BEEN SOME OF THE BEST RULES I'VE [01:00:03] GOTTEN ON STOP LOSS THIS YEAR. AND AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK TO ADDRESS THE CLAIMS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE AND CONTINUE TO TRY TO MITIGATE THE RISK AS MUCH AS WE CAN. CHERYL MOORE: CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CARRIER RATING DIFFERENCES? I SEE VOYA'S A VERSUS ONE THAT'S A PLUS. SCOTT GIBBS: YEAH. I MEAN, OUR ENO, BASICALLY, WE CAN'T WRITE LESS THAN I THINK AN A OR A B PLUS PLUS. SO A AND ABOVE IS A SOLID FIRM. VOYA HAS BEEN IN THERE HAS BEEN DOING REINSURANCE FOR A LONG TIME. SO IT'S FORMERLY ING, IF YOU REMEMBER ING, SO. ADAM SCHIESTEL: CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 12? SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, MAKE SURE I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY. SO WE SWITCHED FROM BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD TO VOYA IN 2025. AND OUR PREMIUM WENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. SCOTT GIBBS: IT DID, BECAUSE WHEN WE SWITCHED, WE HAD THE OPTION OF CONTINUING TO HAVE THE LASERS INSIDE THE PLAN OR TAKING THE LASERS OUTSIDE OF THE PLAN. AND FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO BE PARTNERING WITH QUANTIFY FOR SOME OF THOSE MEDICATIONS. AND WE KNEW THAT IT WOULD SAVE THE TOWN IN PREMIUM. AND SO THOSE FUNDS HONESTLY ARE-- IT'S WHAT WE PAY QUANTIFY. IT'S LESS THAN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING BLUE CROSS. ADAM SCHIESTEL: DOES THAT ALSO EXPLAIN WHY OUR CLAIMS WENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY AT THE SAME TIME? SCOTT GIBBS: IT DOES. ADAM SCHIESTEL: AND HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THE FURTHER DROP IN CLAIMS? SCOTT GIBBS: WELL, I THINK THE FURTHER DROP-- I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE 1.3 PLUS THE 362, I WILL SAY THIS. THESE ARE THROUGH AUGUST CLAIMS. TRADITIONALLY, WHAT WE WILL SEE IS SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER ARE HIGHER MONTHS FOR REIMBURSEMENTS. AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO COME EARLY WITH THIS RENEWAL AND IT BEING FIRM. BECAUSE TYPICALLY, WHAT WE DO SEE IS WE SEE MORE CLAIMS HIT IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR. ADAM SCHIESTEL: SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT FROM 2025 BACKWARDS, IT'S ALL 12 MONTHS. BUT 2026 IS JUST NINE MONTHS? SCOTT GIBBS: IT IS. IT'S JUST NINE MONTHS. ADAM SCHIESTEL: SO IT'S GOING TO GO UP FROM THERE? SCOTT GIBBS: YEAH. IT WILL GO UP. YES, SIR. ADAM SCHIESTEL: OK. SCOTT GIBBS: AND I THINK IT IS ACTUALLY THROUGH EIGHT MONTHS. WE JUST GOT SEPTEMBER. SEPTEMBER CLAIMS DROPPED ON OCTOBER 15. AND WE HAD THIS BEFORE THEN, SO. ADAM SCHIESTEL: BUT VOYA IS LOOKING AT ALL THAT SAME INFORMATION SAYING, WE NEED TO CHARGE A LITTLE BIT MORE. SCOTT GIBBS: THEY ARE. ADAM SCHIESTEL: NEXT YEAR, OK. AND THAT'S MOSTLY BEING DRIVEN BY-- I GUESS YOU HAD A BUNCH OF FACTORS, BUT IT WAS-- SCOTT GIBBS: YEAH, IT'S-- ADAM SCHIESTEL: PHARMACEUTICALS. SCOTT GIBBS: YEAH. LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU GUYS ARE NOT-- I MEAN, I THINK WHERE YOU'RE-- I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE SIZE OF THE TOWN IS I THINK IS THAT WE'VE SEEN THE MANUAL RATES FOR EACH OF THE CARRIERS GO UP. AND SO THAT'S PRESSING THE COST ACROSS THE BOARD. AND SO I THINK WHAT CARRIERS ARE DOING TO A BIT IS IF A GROUP IS RUNNING GOOD, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. AND THEN IF A GROUP IS RUNNING BAD, THEY'RE TRYING TO FORCE THEM OFF, SO. ADAM SCHIESTEL: SO THE LEGISLATURE IS TELLING US THAT PROPERTY TAXES ARE TOO HIGH. SO WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO RAISE 3.5% ADDITIONAL. BUT YOU WERE SHOWING US INFLATIONARY NUMBERS LIKE 8% OR 9%. IS THERE ANY OTHER CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING IN AUSTIN TO TRY TO GIVE SOME RELIEF TO TOWNS? SCOTT GIBBS: I DON'T KNOW IN AUSTIN. AND WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE BILLS. LIKE LAST YEAR, WE HAD THE MATERNITY BILL THAT CAME OUT, PROTECTING THE INFANT FOR 61 DAYS OUT. BUT I THINK THE TAX ISSUE IS DEFINITELY A STATE LEVEL ISSUE. I THINK THIS IS BEING DRIVEN MORE ON THE NATIONAL STAGE. AND I DO. AND I TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND AT SOME POINT, THE RUBBER'S GOING TO HAVE TO MEET THE ROAD. BECAUSE WHEN YOU GUYS CAN ONLY RAISE TAXES A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, THE TREND RATES ARE HIGHER. AND A LOT OF THAT MEANS, WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU GOT TWO LEVERS. THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT. BUT YOU HAVE THE BENEFIT LEVER. OK, WE CAN LOWER BENEFITS OR WE CAN RAISE CONTRIBUTIONS. [01:05:03] SO MY JOB, WHICH IS FUNNY, I WAS TALKING TO A FRIEND THE OTHER DAY, AND I THOUGHT, AS I'M NOT GOING TO RETIRE ANYTIME SOON, BUT AS I THOUGHT THE HORIZON WAS COMING, IT WOULD GET EASIER. AND IT'S ACTUALLY GETTING MUCH MORE COMPLICATED. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, WORKING WITH YOU GUYS TO PRESENT. IF YOU HAD TOLD ME 30 YEARS AGO I WOULD BE NEGOTIATING ONE OFF INJECTABLE DRUGS THAT ARE $1 MILLION, I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY THOUGHT YOU WERE CRAZY, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT WE-- THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IN TODAY'S WORLD. ADAM SCHIESTEL: WELL, IT'S PRETTY GRIM, BUT IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN IT WAS IN 2024. NOT AS GOOD AS 2018. SCOTT GIBBS: WE'RE DEFINITELY WORKING ON IT, I PROMISE, SO. ADAM SCHIESTEL: THANK YOU. SCOTT GIBBS: YOU BET. CHERYL MOORE: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WELL, DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE A MOTION? BRIAN TAYLOR: MOVE TO APPROVE REGULAR ITEM K3 AS PRESENTED. CLARE HARRIS: SECOND. CHERYL MOORE: OK, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. TRACY: COUNCIL MEMBER DREW. CHRIS DREW: AYE. TRACY: MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL. ADAM SCHIESTEL: AYE. TRACY: COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. CLARE HARRIS: AYE. TRACY: DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR. BRIAN TAYLOR: AYE. SCOTT GIBBS: COUNCIL MEMBER WERNER. JANVIER WERNER: AYE. CHERYL MOORE: OK. SCOTT GIBBS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. CHERYL MOORE: THANK YOU. THIS PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. SO WE DO-- ADAM SCHIESTEL: HEY, LYNDA, CAN YOU GIVE ME A COPY OF THAT PRESENTATION? THOSE INFLATION NUMBERS HELP WITH OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR DELEGATION. LYNDA BOLITHO: OK. ADAM SCHIESTEL: APPRECIATE IT. BRIAN TAYLOR: SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE WORK SESSION, [M. BOARDS/COMMISSIONS] I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BECAUSE THIS IS REAL QUICK. WE HAVE OUR CITIZEN OF THE YEAR HERE. JACKIE NORELL, IF YOU'LL COME UP TO THE PODIUM SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE YOU. WE HAVE THE CITIZEN OF THE YEAR HERE, JACKIE NORELL. AND SHE WAS SELECTED LAST YEAR FOR CITIZEN OF THE YEAR BY A COMMITTEE. AND SO THIS YEAR, SHE HAS TO GIVE UP HER REIGN AS THE BEST OF THE BEST IN FLOWER MOUND. AND SHE'S BEEN EXTRAORDINARY. SHE DOES A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT'S AMAZING WHAT SHE DOES. AND SO THIS YEAR, WE HAVE TO CHOOSE ANOTHER COMMITTEE. AND YOU MUST PASS THE TORCH TO THAT PERSON. AND SO ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO TODAY IS EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER AND MYSELF ARE GOING TO SELECT THE COMMITTEE TONIGHT. SO WE'LL JUST GO DOWN THE LINE. WE'LL SELECT THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, JACKIE. JACKIE NORELL: THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. I'VE ENJOYED IT. IT'S NOT OVER. CHERYL MOORE: IT'S NOT OVER. YOU STILL HAVE SEVERAL MONTHS. JACKIE NORELL: UNTIL YOU RECROWN THE OTHER GAL OR GUY. CHERYL MOORE: RIGHT. JACKIE NORELL: THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. I'VE LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT, AND I HAVE A LOT LEFT TO DO. CHERYL MOORE: THANKS. CLARE HARRIS: FOR THE COMMITTEE, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE BETH SODERBERG. CHRIS DREW: I NEED TO EMAIL MY NOMINATION. I DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE. ADAM SCHIESTEL: I'LL HAVE CECILIA HOOD AGAIN THIS YEAR. CHERYL MOORE: WAIT, WHO DID YOU SAY, CHRIS? CHRIS DREW: I NEED THE EMAIL IN MY NOMINATION. I DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE, SO I NEED TO FOLLOW UP AND CALL. CHERYL MOORE: OK, THAT'S COOL. GO AHEAD. BRIAN TAYLOR: SCOTT MORGAN. JANVIER WERNER: ALBERT [INAUDIBLE]. CHERYL MOORE: AND THE CHAIR FOR THIS WILL BE NICOLE CROTZER. [CHUCKLES] I GOT MINE, CHRIS. I ALMOST DIDN'T. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT OUR COMMITTEE. WE'LL GIVE YOU THE CONTACT INFORMATION, TRACY, LATER. ALL THE EMAILS. [L.1. Work Session to consider funding approaches and next steps for the proposed Police Headquarters and Arts Center facilities] ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO OUR WORK SESSION TO CONSIDER FUNDING APPROACHES AND NEXT STEP. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PROPOSED POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND THE ARTS CENTER FACILITIES. SO JAMES, YOU'RE GOING TO KICK THIS OFF. JAMES: YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO THERE HAVE BEEN TWO PRINCIPALLY RATHER LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, ONE BEING THE ART CENTER AND THE OTHER ONE A PURPOSE BUILT POLICE HEADQUARTERS. THE THING THAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS EVENING IS THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION. THERE'S NO FORMAL ACTION BEING TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL. WHAT WE'RE SEEKING IS DIRECTION. VERY SIMILAR TO THE PRESENTATION THAT I DID BACK ON JULY 20. IT'S JUST REALLY, I NEED CONSENSUS AND DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL TO KNOW HOW TO PROCEED. AND THERE WILL BE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DEEPER CONVERSATION AND DECISION POINT DOWN THE LINE. JUST TO RECAP FOR ANYONE WHO ISN'T INITIATED. THE TOWN HAS BEEN TALKING PRINCIPALLY ABOUT THESE TWO MAJOR PROJECTS FOR SOME YEARS. I'LL START WITH THE ARTS CENTER. THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT WE'VE BEEN STUDYING GOING BACK FOR SOME TIME NOW, NEARLY 10 YEARS. [01:10:02] WE ACQUIRED LAND FOR THIS VENUE BACK IN 2024 IN THE RIVER WALK. BUT THE THING THAT ALSO HAS EMPHASIZED THE TOWN PREVIOUSLY ACQUIRED LAND AT LEONARD AND HELEN JOHNS PARK IN THE PAST FOR THIS VENUE. WE ULTIMATELY OPTED TO BRING IT TO THE RIVER WALK AND USE THAT SPACE FOR A PARK PROJECT. BUT AGAIN, IT JUST EMPHASIZES THIS IS A PROJECT THE TOWN HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SOME TIME. THE IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH DENTON COUNTY, AND THAT'S THROUGH PRIMARILY OUR TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE. THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT OUR COMBINED FUNDS WITH US IN DENTON COUNTY COULD GO TOWARDS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT. AND THROUGH THIS EFFORT, WE HAVE A COMPLETED MARKET ASSESSMENT, PROGRAMMING, PRELIMINARY DESIGN, AS WELL AS A BUSINESS PLAN COMPLETED. AND A CONSTRUCTION PRICE HAS BEEN DETERMINED. AND THAT CONSTRUCTION PRICE IS $75 MILLION. AND JUST AS A REFRESHER, THAT CONTEMPLATES A 650 SEAT THEATER AS WELL AS FUNCTIONAL SPACE THAT CAN SERVE AS CLASSROOMS AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL PERFORMANCE SPACE AND SOME OUTDOOR AMENITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO THAT'S A KNOWN NUMBER THAT'S OUT THERE, $75 MILLION FOR THIS PROJECT. FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS, THIS EXPLORATION PROCESS GOES BACK A WAY. SO WITH OUR PREVIOUS CHIEF, CHIEF ANDY CANCEL. HE HAD BEEN LOOKING AT VIABLE LOCATIONS. OUR CURRENT LOCATION OVER OFF KIRKPATRICK. WE'VE BEEN THERE GOING ON 30 YEARS NOW. IT'S AN OLD FOOD LION. A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING ARE MOSTLY FUNCTIONAL. IT WAS BUILT AS A GROCERY STORE. WE'VE MADE GREAT USE OF THAT SPACE OVER THE LAST THREE DECADES AND HAD IT AS A FUNCTIONAL SPACE. BUT AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, WE'RE RUNNING INTO MORE ISSUES IN THAT SPACE. AND SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR SOME TIME FOR SOME SPACE THERE. WE HAVE ACQUIRED LAND FOR THIS FACILITY. BUT IT'S BEEN AN INVOLVED PROCESS OVER THE YEARS. IN MY ALMOST FIVE YEARS OF BEING HERE, WE'VE LOOKED AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS. WE'VE GONE IN ADVANCED NEGOTIATIONS WITH SOME PROPERTY OWNERS. BUT WE ULTIMATELY LANDED ON 20 ACRES THAT WE ACQUIRED OFF OF LONG PRAIRIE IN ABERDEEN. THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE FOR POLICE STATION, YOU REALLY NEED 10 ACRES FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS. THIS 20 ACRES IS NOT JUST CONTEMPLATED FOR POLICE HEADQUARTERS, BUT IT'S ALSO WHERE WE CONTEMPLATE MOVING STATION THREE HERE IN THE FUTURE. FOR THIS PROJECT, A FEASIBILITY STUDY HAS BEEN COMPLETED THIS PAST SUMMER. WE HAVEN'T LOCKED IN A PRICE TAG TO THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO BRING IT TO YOU ALL AND FIGURE OUT THE SCOPE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT. OBVIOUSLY, POLICE STATIONS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE. IT'S GOING TO BE A HIGH DOLLAR ITEM, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO STATE A PRICE UNTIL WE HAVE A CONVERSATION OF WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE IN THE FACILITY. BUT WHAT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY DOES, IS IT GIVES US A SENSE OF THE PRICE AND SCOPE ASSOCIATED FOR THE AMENITIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE IN THIS SPACE. I PUT PURPOSE BUILD UP THERE BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING. ONE OF THE THINGS IN TALKING WITH BOTH CHIEF COUNSEL, AS WELL AS CHIEF COULON IS THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PURPOSE BUILT SPACE FOR THIS THAT'S DESIGNED AS A POLICE STATION. IT'S ALWAYS GREAT IF YOU'RE ABLE TO FIND AN EXISTING FACILITY THAT YOU CAN REPURPOSE. THAT'S GREAT. IT'S A GREAT WAY TO, IN SOME CASES, TO SAVE SOME MONEY. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE SOMETHING ELSE, NOT WHAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO BE. SO THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE REALLY GOING TO BOIL DOWN THE DIRECTION THAT I'M SEEKING FROM YOU THIS EVENING. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT APPROACHES THAT WE COULD TAKE TO FUNDING THIS PROJECT. THEY BOTH HAVE THE ABILITY FOR YOU AS A BODY TO ACT UPON AND INITIATE THE FUNDING FOR BY YOURSELVES. FIRST, STARTING WITH THE ART CENTER. WHAT'S BEEN LONG CONTEMPLATED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DENTON COUNTY, IS THAT WE HAVE FUNDS, A SET AMOUNT OF CASH THAT'S ALREADY SITTING IN CHURCH NUMBER ONE RIGHT NOW. WE ALSO, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, HAVE REVENUE THAT WE GENERATE YEAR OVER YEAR THAT COULD GO TOWARDS THIS PROJECT. AND WHAT WE LONG TALKED ABOUT IS THE USE OF A DEBT INSTRUMENT CALLED A TAX ANTICIPATION NOTE, WHICH IS A SHORT TERM DEBT INSTRUMENT OF SEVEN YEARS. AND A GENERAL THOUGHT PROCESS IS BETWEEN THE CASH THAT WE HAVE IN THE CHURCH RIGHT NOW, AND OVER THOSE NEXT SEVEN YEARS, WE WOULD HAVE THE REQUISITE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO FUND THE PROJECT. AND FOR THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, THERE'S A DEBT INSTRUMENT CALLED A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION. MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS WILL BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS. THIS IS WHAT WE USE FOR OUR WATER AND PUBLIC WORK PROJECTS. AND THESE ARE DEBT INSTRUMENTS THAT ALLOW A COUNCIL TO MOVE QUICKLY ON SOMETHING. AND THEY'RE TIED TO OUR CORE FUNCTIONS, WHICH TYPICALLY IS PUBLIC WORKS, PUBLIC SAFETY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO STATUTORILY, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE COS TO BUILD A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY. THAT'S WHAT WE DID FOR STATION SIX, IT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR STATION THREE ALSO AT SOME POINT DOWN THE LINE. SO THAT'S THAT FIRST OPTION THAT'S OUT THERE THAT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD ON FUNDING BOTH PROJECTS. THE SECOND OPTION IS A DEBT INSTRUMENT. IT'S CALLED THE GO. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE TIED TO A BOND ELECTION. IN GENERAL-- AND I'M SORRY, I'M SPEAKING IN ACRONYMS, GOVERNMENT ACRONYMS. THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES VOTER APPROVAL. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE THERE, [01:15:01] ELECTION DAYS ARE HELD TYPICALLY IN MAY OR NOVEMBER. IF YOU RECALL, BACK IN JULY, ON THE JULY 20 MEETING, I SIMPLY ASKED A QUESTION, DID YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN A NOVEMBER BOND PROGRAM? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO, AND WE MOVED ON. KNOWING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO A POINT WHERE IF WE DO WANT TO HAVE A BOND PROGRAM IN MAY OF NEXT YEAR, WE NEED TO START THE PROCESS OF GEARING UP TOWARDS THAT. SO WITH THAT, THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS I HAVE BEFORE YOU. AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT LOCKING INTO EITHER DECISION HERE TODAY. REALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS JUST DIRECTION. IF A MAY BOND PROGRAM IS SOMETHING YOU'RE ENTERTAINING, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF. BUT YOU CAN SEE REALLY THAT'S THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU. AND I'M GOING TO GO TO THE LAST SLIDE BEFORE I OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR YOU. BECAUSE REALLY, THAT ELECTION IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE CALLED BY JANUARY 31 OF 2027. SO IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO, WE NEED TO START MOVING TOWARDS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO DETAIL ON THAT TONIGHT. AS I HAVE ON THE SLIDE HERE, ON NOVEMBER 19, IS OUR NOVEMBER WORK SESSION. THAT CAN BE A TIME THAT WE CAN BRING BACK ANYTHING YOU GIVE TO ME THIS EVENING OR ANY SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. AND IT GIVES US AN AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK IN A LOT GREATER DETAIL. WE COULD TALK IN GREATER DETAIL ABOUT THE PROJECTS AND THE PRICE TAGS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AT THAT TIME. BUT REALLY, AT THIS POINT, I JUST NEED TO GET A CONFIRMATION THAT YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THAT PATH, BECAUSE I WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IF WE ARE LOOKING AT A MAY 2027 BOND PROGRAM, THEN AT THAT MEETING AT THE 19TH, WE NEED THE GREEN LIGHT TO GO FORWARD AND MOVE FORWARD AT THAT POINT. THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THE LAST RUNWAY WE REALLY HAVE, BECAUSE IF YOU GO AND YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IN DECEMBER, BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS, YOU REALLY HAVE REALLY ONE MEETING THAT YOU CAN TAKE ON THERE. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO JANUARY, THAT'S THE DECISION POINT WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO CALL THE ELECTION. SO REALLY AT THIS POINT, THAT WRAPS UP MY PRESENTATION. JUST REALLY JUST LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL TO SEE IF YOU WANT US TO FURTHER EXPLORE A MAY BOND PROGRAM. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, AS WE GET TO THE 19TH, THERE'S ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO BRING FORWARD TO THAT PARTICULAR MEETING TO FURTHER GET YOU TOWARDS A DECISION. BUT ULTIMATELY, BY THAT 19TH, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A DECLARATION OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED ON FUNDING THESE PROJECTS. CHERYL MOORE: SO ON THE 19TH, BASICALLY, THAT'S WHEN THE DECISION WILL BE MADE. JAMES: IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FORMAL, BUT IT'S REALLY WHERE WE HAVE TO SOLIDIFY THE DIRECTION AT THAT POINT. THE DECISION WILL BE MADE AT A SUBSEQUENT BOND-- EXCUSE ME, A SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL MEETING WHERE YOU WOULD FORMALLY CALL THE ELECTION FOR MAY OF 2027, IF THAT'S THE CHOICE YOU MAKE. CHERYL MOORE: OK. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT TO START WITH? JANVIER WERNER: I GUESS JUST A QUESTION. COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY-- BECAUSE WE DID START TALKING ABOUT A CO. WHY WE'RE EVEN CONTEMPLATING A GO INSTEAD FOR THE ARTS CENTER. JAMES: WELL, I MEAN-- JANVIER WERNER: TALK ABOUT THAT. JAMES: THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT APPROACHES. IF YOU RECALL, IN THE PRESENTATIONS THAT I DID, EVERY APPROACH HAS A PRO AND A CON ASSOCIATED WITH IT. OBVIOUSLY WITH THE GO ISSUANCE, IT GIVES US A LOT MORE FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY SPECIFIC TO THE ART CENTER, BECAUSE IT GIVES US IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN FINANCE IT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, OVER A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. IT'S JUST THAT REALLY, THE CONVERSATION IS THAT YOU COULD GO EITHER DIRECTION. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S SENTIMENT OUT IN THE PUBLIC THAT Y'ALL HAVE RECEIVED ABOUT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE APPROACHED. YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO SAY, HEY, THIS NEEDS TO GO BEFORE THE VOTERS. AND SO YOU HAVE THAT ALSO AT PLAY, TOO. SO REALLY, THERE'S NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER TO THIS. IT'S JUST THE DIRECTION OF HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED. AND I THINK JUST, AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A TIME SITUATION FOR US, MORE SO THAN ANYTHING ELSE. IT'S JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO DO GO, IF WE WANT TO DO A BOND PROGRAM, WE'RE GETTING AT THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO START MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. SO HOPEFULLY, I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION WITH THAT. BUT THERE'S REALLY NO RIGHT OR WRONG WAY TO DO IT. NOW I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH THAT. YOU CAN ISSUE COS FOR THE POLICE STATION. YOU CAN USE A TAX TEXT ANTICIPATION NOTE FOR THE ART CENTER. CHERYL MOORE: SO JUST SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE, THIS IS NOT THE TIME. WE ARE NOT DECIDING ON THE BOND ELECTION RIGHT NOW. BUT LATER ON, ON NOVEMBER 19, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHEN WE SOLIDIFY THE DECISION, REALLY WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE DIFFERENCE ON THAT MEETING? WHAT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED AT THAT MEETING? SO PEOPLE KNOW, THEY'RE AWARE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TONIGHT AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. JAMES: SO IN THAT MEETING ON THE 19TH, WE WILL SPECIFICALLY-- SO FOR THE ART CENTER, WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE THAT BUTTONED UP FROM THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. WE KNOW THE PRICES AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. AT THAT MEETING, WE COULD HAVE SOLID INFORMATION WITH YOU ON THE POLICE STATION, MEANING THE PRICE AND WHAT ALL YOU'RE GETTING IN IT. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE TRENDING TOWARDS PUTTING ON A BALLOT POTENTIALLY AT SOME POINT. SO REALLY MORE SO THAN ANYTHING ELSE, THIS IS-- [01:20:04] AND I'LL CONTRAST THIS TO WHAT WE DID IN THE 2025 BOND PROGRAM, IS THAT AT THIS POINT IN 2024, WE HAD A FULL BOND COMMITTEE JUST GOING, RIGHT. THIS TIME, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BECAUSE WITH THE ART CENTER, THAT'S BEEN A LONG GESTATING PROJECT. WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY AMBIGUITY ABOUT WHAT THAT PROJECT IS. WE HAVE STUFF ON THE WEBSITE. WITH THE POLICE HQ, IT'S IN A SIMILAR BOAT THAT WE HAVE SOME ANALYSIS THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHAT WE DID A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT YOU HAD THESE PROJECTS. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE STAKEHOLDERS AND OTHER HAVE TO FORMALIZE THAT INFORMATION. WE NEED TO PUT RESOURCES OUT ON OUR WEB PAGES SO PEOPLE ARE THOROUGHLY EDUCATED ON THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES BEFORE WE CALL THE ELECTION. SO REALLY, MORE SO THAN ANYTHING ELSE, IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTEMPLATE A BOND PROGRAM FOR THIS, WE HAVE TO START GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC. THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE TOUGHER IT IS TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND GIVE PEOPLE THE REQUISITE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION. ADAM SCHIESTEL: OK, SO SCENARIO ONE, REDUCE SHORT TERM DEBT AND CO BONDS. NO ELECTION. JAMES: CORRECT. ADAM SCHIESTEL: OPTION TWO, WE USE GO BONDS AND IT GOES TO THE VOTERS. SO WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE TAX RATE IN EITHER OF THESE SCENARIOS? JAMES: SO RIGHT NOW, THE PRELIMINARY NUMBERS THAT WE'RE WORKING OFF OF IS THAT IN OPTION ONE, IF WE WERE TO MOVE WITH THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS, THE ART CENTER WOULD NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE TAX RATE. BECAUSE IN ESSENCE, WE'RE USING THE TERRORIST FUNDS IN ORDER TO COVER THE DEBT SERVICE. IT'S A DIFFERENT INSTRUMENT. FOR THE PDHQ, MORE THAN LIKELY-- AND AGAIN, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO APPROACH $100 MILLION. WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, FOR SURE. THAT'S MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO NECESSITATE AN INCREASE IN OUR INS RATE. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT $0.04 JUST FOR THAT PROJECT ALONE. ADAM SCHIESTEL: SO IN EVERYTHING ELSE, I GUESS, IS THAT TO SAY THAT WE WOULD NOT ALSO NEED A VATRE IN OPTION ONE? IF WE USE THE CO, WE INCREASE THE TAX RATE $0.04, WHICH PUTS US AT $0.43. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE INS RATE IS NOT CALCULATED IN SB2. SO WHEN WE ISSUE DEBT, IT HAS NO IMPACT ON OUR REVENUE CAPS. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THAT SCENARIO, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ARTS CENTER PROJECT, IS THAT JOHN AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND WE'RE BOTH OF THE OPINION THAT BECAUSE ONCE YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ARTS CENTER, THAT OPERATIONAL COST COMES INTO PLAY. WE HAVE TO START HIRING PEOPLE IN MANY. AND THAT TAKES AWAY OUR RAZOR THIN MARGINS. JAMES W. CHILDERS: AND SO MORE THAN LIKELY, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT USING THE TAX ANTICIPATION NOTES, WE WOULD EITHER BE MAKING SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CUTS OR LOOKING AT A VATRE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF 2027. ADAM SCHIESTEL: SO I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM, IS IF WE COULD DO ALL THIS AND NOT IMPACT THE TAX RATE, THERE'S NO PROBLEM. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS WITHOUT AN ELECTION, IT'S GOING TO-- FIRST OF ALL, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE $0.04. SO THE TAX RATE GOES UP. VOTERS NEVER GOT A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN. AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GO UP-- THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEND ANOTHER ELECTION FORWARD, WHICH IS GOING TO SAY, DO YOU WANT TO CUT THE REST OF OTHER SERVICES IN THE TOWN TO PAY FOR THE ART CENTER, OR DO YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR TAXES TO PAY FOR THE OPERATION OF THE ART CENTER? SO THAT'S A BIG CHALLENGE. I MEAN, I'M CONCERNED THAT RAISING THE RATE ESPECIALLY FOR THE ART CENTER, WHICH OBVIOUSLY, I'M VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF, BUT IMPACTING THE TAX RATE WITHOUT LETTING THE VOTERS WEIGH IN IS PROBABLY NOT A GREAT IDEA, GIVEN THE DIRECTION WE'VE RECEIVED FROM AUSTIN. CLARE HARRIS: JAMES, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. WITH THE EXISTING MONEY IN THE TIRZ RIGHT NOW, IF WE WENT WITH OPTION TWO, WOULD WE RAISE THE FULL 75 MILLION, OR WOULD WE REDUCE IT BY THE AMOUNT IN THE TIRZ? JAMES: THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE KICKED AROUND A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T WANT TO SAY AN ANSWER TONIGHT. AND THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN BRING BACK ON THE NIGHT TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I THINK THAT, FROM A STRATEGIC STANDPOINT, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS YOU CAN GO AND THERE'S SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH THAT CASH. AND WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS THAT IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GO AND LOOKING AT WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THE CASH ON HAND, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EXPLORE. BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, IF I SHARED ANYTHING TONIGHT, IT'S MORE SPECULATIVE ON MY PART. OR JUST WHAT I THINK, AND I FEEL WE CAN DEFINITELY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN FLESH OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT-- AND AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO GET-- BECAUSE THE CHALLENGE IS THIS, IS THAT WE'RE LEVERAGING A VERY UNIQUE TOOL IN THE TOURS. IT CAN ALSO GET VERY COMPLICATED. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE GO ISSUING DOES ALLOW US TO DO, [01:25:02] IT GIVES US A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY. AND THAT COULD ALSO GIVE US A WAY TO PUSH OFF A POTENTIAL VATRE FOR SOME TIME THE WAY WE MANAGE IT. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO GOING INTO A CONVERSATION ON 19TH IS FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT I UNDERSTAND CONCEPTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, WHICH IS, I'LL JUST SAY, FOR THE SAKE OF MATH, WE HAVE $25 MILLION CASH IN INTERS. IT COULD BE MAYBE A $50 MILLION ISSUANCE TO GET US TO 75. WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AND WE CAN FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE 19TH AND BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. CLARE HARRIS: AND ALSO ON THE 19TH, IF YOU WOULD BRING US SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT DELAYS WILL DO? WHETHER THAT'S COST DELAYS IN THE PRICE OF BUILDING OR COST IMPLICATIONS FOR THE CURRENT POLICE STATION AND THINGS WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THERE. IF YOU COULD BRING SOME OF THOSE DETAILS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. JAMES W. CHILDERS: THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT WE WILL BRING MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THE LONGER YOU DELAY PRICES GO UP. MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THE ARTS CENTER, THE LONGER YOU DELAY WITH THAT, IT'S NO LONGER A $75 MILLION PROJECT OR THE $75 MILLION DOESN'T DELIVER WHAT PEOPLE ANTICIPATE IT'S GOING TO DELIVER. SO MORE SPECIFICALLY, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT AND WE CAN WORK WITH OUR STAFF AND AS WELL AS OUR CONSULTANTS TO GET A SENSE OF, HOW MUCH TIME ELAPSES DO YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE INCREASES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. CLARE HARRIS: WELL, CHRIS? CHRIS DREW: SO THE ART CENTER COST. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S NO TAX RATE IMPACT COST. BUT THERE IS IF WE WERE TO DISBAND AND GET OUT OF THE TOURS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE NUMBER OF WHAT THE TAX RATE IMPACT OF THAT. JAMES: AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO ON THE 19TH. BECAUSE IN ESSENCE IT'S AND JOHN AND I TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME. AND JOHN KEEPS ME, AND I DON'T THINK JOHN NEEDS TO JOIN US TODAY, BUT HE'LL HAVE A HEAVIER LIFT WHEN WE GET TO THE 19TH TO TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE. BECAUSE IN ESSENCE IS THAT YOU COULD ISSUE A GO. THAT PAYS FOR THE FACILITY AND THE TIRZ PAYS US BACK ON THE BACK END. AND IT'S ALSO A WAY, AND I THINK I'M GOING TO SAY THIS CORRECTLY, JOHN, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT MAY BE AN AVENUE IN WHICH WE COULD OFFSET SOME OF THE OPERATING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TWO. BECAUSE THE CHALLENGE WITH A SEVEN YEAR NOTE, THE DEBT SERVICE BECOMES HIGHER YEAR OVER YEAR OVER-- IF YOU ISSUE A GO, YOU CAN SET THOSE TERMS. IF YOU STRETCH IT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, YOU DON'T NEED AS MUCH FOR DEBT SERVICE. AND SO WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN REVENUE FROM THE TIRZ HAS THE ABILITY TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE, BUT ALSO COVER SOME OF THE OPERATING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WE CAN FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE 19TH. CHRIS DREW: YEAH, I'LL LET YOU JUST HAVE IT. AND THEN THERE'S A THIRD ITEM FOR THIS BOND ELECTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THE WORK SESSION. JAMES: SURE. CHRIS DREW: YEAH. CHERYL MOORE: BRIAN, JANVIER? BRIAN TAYLOR: YEAH, I HATE TO ADD TO DO LIST FOR THE 19TH. BUT I THINK THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED IS GOOD. JUST TO PULL ON IF WE ISSUE THE TAX ANTICIPATION NOTE FOR THE ART CENTER, THAT WOULD LEAD TO A VADER IN 2027. IF WE COULD SEE WHAT A PROJECTED VADER WOULD LOOK LIKE, HOW MUCH WE'D HAVE TO RAISE THE TAXES. SO WE HAVE THAT COMPLETE PICTURE WHEN WE EVALUATE THAT. AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO SPLIT THE TWO? MAYBE ISSUE COS FOR THE POLICE STATION AND THEN GO TO A BOND ELECTION OR VICE VERSA, BOND ELECTION FOR THE ART CENTER. OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND. AND IF WE DO THAT-- CHERYL MOORE: INSTEAD OF BOTH. BRIAN TAYLOR: INSTEAD OF BOTH. AND THEN BUT IF WE DO THAT, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE KNOW IF WE ISSUE TAX ANTICIPATION NOTE FOR THE ART CENTER, THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE PERSONNEL. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE VADER, AS YOU MENTIONED. IF WE DO THE OPPOSITE, IF WE ISSUE COS FOR THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, WOULD THAT DRIVE A VADER IN AND OF ITSELF BECAUSE OF INCREASED STAFFING? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. SO IF WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE 19TH, THAT'D BE HELPFUL. JAMES: NO, CERTAINLY. WE CAN BRING MORE DETAIL. I CAN JUST TELL YOU OFF THE BAT THAT THE POLICE HQ, IN AND OF ITSELF, THE PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO NECESSITATE US ADDING PERSONNEL. IT'S THE OTHER PRESSURES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, IS PRIMARILY THE GROWTH OUT WEST IS WHAT'S GOING TO LEAD TO MORE PERSONNEL AT THE POLICE. SO THAT BUILDING THE FACILITY IS BASICALLY US MOVING THE ENTIRE OPERATION TO A NEW LOCATION. SO BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE CAN LOOK A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND JUST SEE IF THERE'S AN OPERATING COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IS THAT BECAUSE COS-- THOSE WILL SHOW UP ON THE DEBT SERVICE OR INTEREST IN SINKING INS PART OF OUR RATE. THAT DOES NOT FACTOR INTO OUR CALCULATION FOR SB2 WHATSOEVER. SO, I MEAN, IN ESSENCE, AND THERE'S A REASON WHY THAT'S EXCLUDED, BECAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT MECHANISM ON OUR TAX RATE THAT'S MEANT TO CARRY DEBT SERVICE. AND IT'S NOT PART OF OUR CALCULATION. THAT'S PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON OUR M&R AND OUR OPERATING COSTS. AND SO WITH THAT SAID, WE CAN FLESH OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN WE GET TO THE 19TH. BRIAN TAYLOR: THANK YOU. CHERYL MOORE: JANVIER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? JANVIER WERNER: I'M HAPPY WITH ALL THE-- [01:30:01] CHERYL MOORE: YEAH, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE TONIGHT, I THINK WE HAD THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON OPPOSITION OF THE BOND. AND WE'VE HAD EMAILS ON THESE TOPICS. SO I THINK GENERALLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY IS WANTING TO JUST SEE MORE INFORMATION ON THE NEXT MEETING TO MAKE CONFIRMATION ON WHAT THE DECISION IS. JAMES: OK, SO I'M LOOKING BACK AT STAFF. WE GOT ALL THE FEEDBACK THERE. I THINK I'M ABLE TO TRACK IT WHILE I'M UP HERE AT THE PODIUM. SO WHEN WE GET TO THE 19TH, WE'LL DO A PRESENTATION. WE'LL GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL ON THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED. WE'LL PROVIDE MORE DETAILS ON THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS. AND I'LL WORK WITH CHIEF AND THE STAFF TO FIGURE OUT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE, AND WHAT DOES IT POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE ON A BALLOT AT THIS POINT? AND WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. BUT AS I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE, IT'S GOING TO BE SET UP WHERE WE'LL PROBABLY GET MORE SPECIFIC DIRECTION. FROM THERE, I THINK THE 19TH WILL SPUR ON TO THE ACTUAL ACTION ITEMS. SO WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU CHOOSE. SO THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS GREAT FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT HERE TONIGHT. WE'LL SPEND THE NEXT MONTH GETTING READY FOR THAT CONVERSATION. AND THEN FROM THERE, ULTIMATELY, ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER, WE'LL USE THE SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS TO START MOVING IN THOSE DIRECTIONS AND CHARTER DIRECTION. BUT THESE ARE TWO IMPORTANT PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE. AND WE'RE TRYING TO SOLIDIFY THOSE. AND OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS IF WE DO MOVE WITH A BOND PROGRAM ABOUT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT, TOO? CHERYL MOORE: WELL, AND I DO WANT TO ADD A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING ON SOCIAL MEDIA MAKING COMMENTS. AND I TRY TO TELL PEOPLE, THAT'S REALLY NOT WHERE WE GET OUR INPUT, OUR FEEDBACK. WE CAN'T REALLY MONITOR THAT. SO IF YOU EMAIL US AT WWW.TOWNCOUNCIL.GOV, COUNCIL AND I WILL GET THOSE EMAILS FOR FEEDBACK ON YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS. RATHER THAN-- JAMES: I'LL CLARIFY THAT, IT'S TOWNCOUNCIL@FLOWERMOUND. CHERYL MOORE: AT FLOWER MOUND. OH, YEAH, I LEFT THAT OUT. AT FLOWER MOUND. JAMES: TOWNCOUNCIL@FLOWERMOUND.GOV WILL SEND IT TO ALL OF YOU. ALL RIGHT, THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I GOT THE DIRECTION I NEED AND WE'LL GEAR UP FOR THAT WORK SESSION IN NOVEMBER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. CHERYL MOORE: THANK YOU. OK. [N. CLOSED MEETING] THE TIME IS NOW 7:31. AND THE TOWN COUNCIL IS CONVENING INTO CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551, SECTION 071072074 AND 087. GOOD EVENING, FLOWER MOUND. [O. RECONVENE] AGAIN, IT IS 7:51, AND WE ARE RETURNING FROM CLOSED SESSION. THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF THE CLOSED SESSION. SO AT THIS TIME, OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED. GOOD NIGHT, FLOWER MOUND. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.