K.1. Red Oak Lane Sewer Line Replacement BuyBoard Award - Consider approval of Sanitary Sewer Rehabilitation Services related to the Red Oak Lane Sewer Line Replacement project, to Insituform Technologies, LLC., utilizing The Local Government Purchasing Cooperative Contract #730-24, administered through BuyBoard, in the amount of $2,085,032.00.

[K.1. Red Oak Lane Sewer Line Replacement BuyBoard Award - Consider approval of Sanitary Sewer Rehabilitation Services related to the Red Oak Lane Sewer Line Replacement project, to Insituform Technologies, LLC., utilizing The Local Government Purchasing Cooperative Contract #730-24, administered through BuyBoard, in the amount of $2,085,032.00. ]

BLAKE HUMMEL IS GOING TO PRESENT THIS EVENING.

BLAKE? OH, NO. HOLD ON. ON THE RIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT ON THE RED OAK LANE SEWER LINE REPLACEMENT? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS BLAKE HUMMEL, FLOODPLAIN MANAGER FOR THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND. AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE RED OAK SEWER LINE REPLACEMENT BY BOARD AWARD. THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO PROVIDE IMPROVEMENTS TO AN EXISTING SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INSTALLED WITH THE FLOWER MOUND FARM SUBDIVISION BACK IN 1970S.

SO WE HAVE ABOUT 50 YEAR OLD INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S IN THE GROUND RIGHT NOW.

I'LL GO THROUGH IN SOME FUTURE SLIDES, SOME DATA THAT WE COLLECTED JUST TO JUSTIFY THE IMPROVEMENTS HERE.

BUT THIS PROJECT IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS A TRENCHLESS METHODOLOGY FOR CONSTRUCTION.

WE'RE GOING TO DO TWO METHODS OF CURED IN PLACE PIPELINING, ABOUT 4100 LINEAR FOOT OF THAT ALONG WITH PIPE BURSTING ABOUT 4900 LINEAR FOOT OF THAT. IT'S GOING TO OCCUR ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT DIAMETERS OF PIPE.

WE'VE GOT 6 INCH, 8 INCH, AND 15 INCH PIPE THROUGH THIS AREA.

ANY 6 INCH PIPE WOULD BE PIPE BURSTED UP TO AN EIGHT INCH DIAMETER PIPE TO MEET OUR MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT ARE IN OUR CURRENT DESIGN CRITERIA. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXISTING SANITARY SEWER MANHOLES THROUGH THIS AREA.

ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES LINING FOR SOLVING ANY SORT OF INFILTRATION INTO OUR SEWER SYSTEM WOULD BE TACKLED WITH THIS PROJECT AS WELL.

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THAT INCLUDES LINING AND ADJUSTMENTS TO ANY SORT OF MANHOLE LIDS AND FRAMES JUST TO TRY TO BUTTON UP THE SYSTEM.

THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA, SO WE DO HAVE SEVERAL INDIVIDUAL SANITARY SEWER SERVICE CONNECTIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO REWORK AND RECONNECT TO THE NEW SEWER SYSTEM. PART OF THAT, OUR GOAL, IS REALLY TO MAINTAIN SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.

SO WE WILL HAVE BYPASS PUMPING AND PIPING IN PLACE SO THE RESIDENTS WILL MAINTAIN EXISTING SANITARY SEWER SERVICE AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS AREA.

AND THEN ALONG WITH JUST GENERAL MISCELLANEOUS CLEANUP AND RESTORATION FROM TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.

JUST FOR LOCATION, AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE IS THE PROJECT AREA.

SO TO THE NORTH YOU GOT FLOWER MOUND ROAD. TO THE SOUTH, YOU GOT RED OAK LANE.

IT'S KIND OF THE LOOPED LOLLIPOP ROAD. ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT.

SANITARY SEWER KIND OF DISCHARGES DOWN TO THE SOUTHEAST TOWARDS LEXINGTON.

THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THAT KIND OF EXTENSION THAT GOES TOWARDS THAT ROADWAY.

AND FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY, THIS IS FROM OUR GIS, AGAIN, HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE IS THE EXISTING SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON. YOU CAN SEE SEVERAL AREAS ARE WITHIN THE PARKWAY, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LARGE SECTION OF THIS THAT GOES THROUGH SIDE YARDS AND BACKYARDS. THAT WAS A BIG DRIVING FACTOR OF UTILIZING THE TRENCHLESS TECHNOLOGIES AS OPPOSED TO CLEAR CUTTING, LIKE A 25 FOOT WIDTH THROUGH THESE PEOPLE'S SIDE YARDS AND BACKYARDS.

THERE STILL IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE ISOLATED ACCESS POINTS.

WE NEED TO GET IT TO MAINE, BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS DISTURBANCE TO THESE RESIDENTS YARD UTILIZING THE TRENCHLESS METHODOLOGY.

I'LL GO THROUGH THE COST IN THE UPCOMING SLIDE, BUT I WANT TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE DATA THAT WE GOT WITH OUR CCTV INVESTIGATION OF THE EXISTING SEWER LINE, JUST TO JUSTIFY THE COST, WHICH IS JUST SLIGHTLY OVER $2 MILLION.

SO IT IS A LARGE TICKET ITEM. BUT I MEAN, I COULD ADD 20 SLIDES OF THIS FOR WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

SO THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT MADE THE CUT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE UP IN THE TOP LEFT WE'VE GOT OLD SPOT REPAIRS.

FLOW LINES DON'T MATCH. SEWERS GETTING STUCK IN IT, GETTING STAGNANT.

WE'VE GOT ROOT INFILTRATION, LONGITUDINAL CRACKING, SPIDER CRACKING THROUGHOUT A LARGE MAJORITY OF THIS SYSTEM THROUGH HERE.

OFFSET JOINTS THAT AREN'T REALLY CONNECTED, THAT ARE EXPOSED TO THE NATURAL SOIL, WHICH IS NOT GOOD.

CLOGS AND COLLAPSES, WHICH I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD LARGER BACKUPS ON SOME OF THESE AREAS.

WE MUST JUST BE LUCKY WITH SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS OF THE SERVICE LINE CONNECTIONS, SO THAT'LL ALL GET CLEANED UP AND TACKLED WITH THIS.

AND THEN WITH THE VCP PIPE, IT'S CLAY PIPE. AND WHEN IT STARTS TO CRACK AND FALL, SOME OF THE ACTUAL MAIN ITSELF CAN FALL UNDER THE LINE.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS WHERE THE TOP SECTION OF THE PIPE ACTUALLY FALLS INTO THE FLOW LINE, CREATES BLOCKAGES. AND SO JUST KIND OF SPIRALS OUT OF CONTROL.

I JUST WANT TO INTERRUPT REAL QUICK. I'M SO SORRY.

DID YOU SAID CLAY PIPE? YEAH. THIS IS VITRIFIED CLAY PIPE.

SO THE NEW PRODUCT IS NOT CLAY? NO.

THE WHOLE GOAL REALLY WITH THIS IS TRYING TO PHASE OUT ALL OF OUR VCP PIPE.

SO WE'LL GO WITH EITHER PVC PIPE OR EPOXY RESIN LINER WITH THIS, WHICH IS REALLY GOING TO BE ALMOST JOINTLESS REALLY WITH THE LINER. IT'S A CONSISTENT PRETTY MUCH SOCK THAT GETS INFLATED AND CURED TO THE EXISTING PIPE.

SO YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY SORT OF JOINTS OR INFILTRATION POINTS.

SO IT'S A VERY GOOD PRODUCT. WHAT IS THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF A LINER? FOR THE LINER I THINK IT'S 50 YEARS FOR LINER AND THEY SAY THE VCP PIPE THERE'S DIFFERENT DATA.

I MEAN, SOME SAY LIKE 100 TO LIKE 200 YEARS, BUT REAL WORLD CONDITIONS, ALMOST ALL OF OUR VCP PIPE LOOKS LIKE THIS.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE REALLY GETTING THAT KIND OF LIFESPAN FOR THAT PIPE.

LIKE I SAID, SO THE WAY WE'RE TRYING TO TACKLE THIS, WE DIDN'T PUT THIS TECHNICALLY OUT TO BID.

WE'RE UTILIZING A LOCAL PURCHASING CO-OP THROUGH BY BOARD.

SO IT'S ALREADY PRE BID. IT HAS ALL THE LINE ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS WORK.

SO WE SAVED SOME MONEY ON THE DESIGN SIDE, WE WORKED DIRECTLY WITH THE VENDOR, SAVED A CHUNK OF CHANGE THERE.

IT'S UTILIZING CONTRACT NUMBER 730-24. IT'S PIPELINE REHAB.

LIKE I SAID, IT HAS PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO ACCOMPLISH THIS WORK ALREADY PRE BID WITH THAT.

WE'RE UTILIZING THE VENDOR INSTITUTE FORM TECHNOLOGIES.

WE'VE USED THEM A BUNCH IN THE PAST. THEY'RE KIND OF A LEADER IN THE INDUSTRY.

THEY'RE VERY GOOD. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND THAT TOTAL AMOUNT TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THIS AREA, IT'S $2,085,032 IS THE TOTAL COST FOR THAT. AND JUST SOME OF THE COST

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COMPARISONS JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF DISCUSS. LIKE IT'S A GENERALIZATION HERE BECAUSE IT'S HARD.

THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS, DEPTH, PAVEMENT REPLACEMENT, LOCATION ACCESS.

SO ALL OF THIS IS VERY LIKE GENERALIZED, BUT AS A RULE OF THUMB, THE TRENCHLESS TECHNOLOGIES, YOU CAN REALLY SAVE AT LEAST 40 TO 60% EASY AS OPPOSED TO FULL OPEN CUT.

YOU'RE JUST NOT HAVING TO COMPLETELY CLEAR CUT.

REESTABLISH AGAIN, IF IT'S UNDER PAVEMENT, YOU'VE GOT THAT PAVEMENT COST FOR REPLACEMENT.

SO YOU SAVE THAT RIGHT OFF THE BAT. AND BASED ON OUR CURRENT CONTRACT THAT WE'RE UTILIZING WITH BUY BOARD.

GENERALIZED, THERE'S TWO BIG LINE ITEMS FOR THE LINER IN PIPE BURSTING.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE LINER AND THE PIPE ITSELF. AND THEN LIKE THE SETUP COST.

SO FOR THE LINER, WE'VE GOT $45 PER LINEAR FOOT FOR REALLY JUST THE LINER ITSELF, AND THEN $20 PER LINEAR FOOT FOR THE SETUP.

SO A TOTAL OF $65 PER LINEAR FOOT. NOW THERE ARE OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS THROUGH HERE, BUT JUST TALKING STANDARD 8 INCH PIPE, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, BASED OFF THE CURRENT CONTRACT.

WITH PIPE BURSTING, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK INTENSIVE.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY HAVING TO BREAK THE HOSE PIPE AND PULL IN NEW PIPE BEHIND IT.

SO WITH THAT EXTRA EFFORT COMES EXTRA COST. SO WE DO HAVE ABOUT $105 PER LINEAR FOOT FOR PIPE BURSTING.

BUT IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO JUST TYPICAL OPEN CUT COST, WE SEE ABOUT LIKE $145 PER LINEAR FOOT.

SO WE'RE ALREADY SAVING MONEY THERE. AND I ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND WAS ABLE TO PULL SOME OLD PROJECTS, AT LEAST THE OLDEST CONTRACT I HAD PERSONALLY DONE WITH IN SITU FORM.

SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH APPLES TO APPLES. WE'VE GOT SAME VENDORS, SAME PURCHASING CO-OP, REALLY THE SAME CONTRACT.

THEY CHANGED THE NUMBER, BUT IT'S THE SAME CONTRACT THAT THEY JUST KIND OF PERIODICALLY UPDATE SO THE VENDORS CAN STAY UP TO DATE WITH CURRENT COSTS.

AND THAT LAST ONE WAS AFFECTED MARCH 1ST, 2021.

SO WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF SILLY STUFF GOING ON IN THE WORLD.

SO IT'S A GOOD POINT IN TIME WHERE WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THOSE COSTS WERE COMPARED TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.

AND JUST RESPECTIVELY, WE WERE AT $50 AND $80 PER LINEAR FOOT FOR LINING AND PIPE BURSTING.

SO COMPARING THAT TO CURRENT DAYS, FIVE YEARS LATER, THAT'S ABOUT A 30% INCREASE IN THAT CONTRACT THAT WE'RE UTILIZING IS ACTUALLY THEIR PRICE IS KIND OF LOCKED IN ON 2024. SO THEY'RE PROBABLY ALREADY WANTING TO INCREASE THOSE VALUES.

SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATION.

PROJECT SCHEDULE. LIKE I SAID, WE DID DO SOME PRE CCTV.

IT ACTUALLY TOOK A LOT LONGER THAN WHAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING JUST BECAUSE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD IN THE RECORD DRAWINGS DIDN'T MATCH WHAT WE'RE FINDING IN THE GROUND. LOCATION, SIZE, MANHOLES THAT WEREN'T DOCUMENTED.

SO WE HAD A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH REALLY TRYING TO GET ACCESS TO SOME OF THESE POINTS AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE, BUT IT WAS REALLY WORTH THE EFFORT. WE'D HAVE TO DO IT ANYWAY WITH THE CURRENT REHAB PROJECT.

SO WE PRETTY MUCH KNOCK IT OUT UP FRONT SO WE GET THE DATA, KNOW WHAT SERVICES ARE CONNECTED TO THE LINE, WHERE THEY ARE. WE PRETTY MUCH DOCUMENT EVERYTHING WE HAVE.

SO WE GET A MORE ACCURATE PROPOSAL WITH THIS THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TODAY.

SO THAT WAS DONE MAY 5TH 2025. IT WAS JUST SHY OF 162 K FOR THAT.

AND THEN TODAY WE HAVE THE BUY BOARD FOR THE ACTUAL REHABILITATION.

SO THE BULK OF THE ACTUAL WORK TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM, THAT WAS THE $2,085,032 PRICE TAG FOR THAT.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS, MY INTENTION IS REALLY TO DO NOTICE TO PROCEED LATE OCTOBER.

THAT WILL GIVE THEM TIME TO PREP THE LINER. THEY HAVE TO CREATE THAT, ACQUIRE THE PIPE.

SO GET MATERIALS AND THINGS IN HAND. AND THEN GOAL IS REALLY TO COMPLETE MARCH AND APRIL OF 2027 FOR SUBSTANTIAL AND FINAL COMPLETION IS THE GOAL FOR THIS? WHAT'S THE PAYMENT SCHEDULE LOOK LIKE? SAY THAT AGAIN? WHAT IS THE PAYMENT SCHEDULE? OH, WE PRETTY MUCH DO MONTHLY PAYMENTS. WE KIND OF ACTUALLY MATCH WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO WITH OUR BID PROJECTS. WE HAVE A QUANTITY VERIFICATION SHEET, AND EVERY MONTH WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE VENDOR AND THEIR ON SITE CONTACTS WITH OUR INSPECTORS. WE DREW UP THE NUMBERS TO THE PROPOSAL AND PAY THEM FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

AND THEN WE JUST KEEP THAT ROLLING MONTH TO MONTH IS HOW THAT WORKS.

GREAT. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS? SO THIS IS ONE PART. HOW MANY LINEAR FEET ARE WE LOOKING AT? IT'S ABOUT LIKE HIGH 8000. WE'VE GOT SOME SERVICE LINES THAT AREN'T INCLUDED IN THAT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO.

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BUT IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING JUST MAIN, I THINK IT'S LIKE 8800 IS THE TOTAL FOR EVERYTHING.

SO IN A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO SOME MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF PIPE REPLACEMENT? HOPEFULLY FOR THIS AREA. NO, ONCE WE GO THROUGH HERE, THIS AREA WILL BE TRUED UP.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS IN A WHILE.

IF EVERYTHING GOES SMOOTH, OKAY. AND IS IS MOST OF THIS UNDER THE UNDER THE ROAD OR TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD? IT'S ALL IN THE PARKWAY. THE WORST SPOTS ARE IN THE BACKYARDS.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE DIFFICULT ONE FOR THIS, BUT THERE ARE CROSSINGS OF THE ROADWAY, BUT THEY'RE MINOR COMPARED TO THE OVERALL LINEAR FOOTAGE OF THE PROJECT. SO NO ROADWAY REPLACEMENT? NO. NO, SIR. LIKE IN YOUR MAP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE ABOUT 55 HOUSES WITH SLIDE FOR THAT YEAH, LET ME PULL UP. I BELIEVE SO, YEAH. SO YOU MENTIONED SIX, EIGHT AND 15 INCH SEWER.

IS IT IF THIS AREA WERE TO REDEVELOP, LET'S SAY, AND WE WERE TO DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE DENSITY, WOULD THAT REQUIRE A BIGGER SEWER LINES OR WE WOULD HAVE TO ASSESS IT AT THAT TIME.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR MASTER PLAN AMENDMENTS.

PART OF THAT WE WOULD. WELL, THE REASON WHY I ASK IS NOT I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S JUST SOMETIMES THE LEGISLATURE TALKS ABOUT IMPOSING HIGHER DENSITY INTO AREAS WHERE WE DIDN'T PLAN FOR IT. AND YOU'RE SAYING 50? I COULD SAY WITH THIS, EVEN IF THEY INCREASE THE DENSITY, WE HAVE OTHER AREAS WITH A LOT MORE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES TIED TO A LINE.

AND IT'S GETTING BY WITH AN EIGHT INCH DIAMETER.

SO EIGHT INCH. SO THIS IS A PRETTY MUCH A STANDARD SIZE THAT DOES CAN TAKE A LOT OF CAPACITY.

AND DID YOU SAY THAT IT'S 50 YEARS IS THE EXPECTED LIFESPAN OF AN IN-GROUND SEWER.

AND I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE SO YOU MENTIONED IT WAS LIKE $105 A LINEAR FOOT, AND IT'S LIKE 9000 FOR THE PIPE BURSTING.

RIGHT. AND IT'S LIKE 9000FT. I KNOW IT'S NOT ALL PIPE BURSTING, BUT THAT DOESN'T QUITE ADD UP TO 2 MILLION.

WHAT'S THE OTHER. SO A LOT OF THE COSTS IS THERE IS A BIG UPFRONT EFFORT FOR THAT BYPASS PIPING.

YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT ANYWAY IF YOU DO OPEN CUT OR TRENCHLESS, IF YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN THE SAME LOCATION, YOU'D HAVE TO MAINTAIN SERVICE THROUGH THERE.

SO THE BYPASS SETUP AND MAINTENANCE, THEY HAVE TO MAN THAT 24 HOURS A DAY.

SO THEY'RE PAYING FOR PEOPLE TO BE THERE OVERNIGHT.

IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, KEEP THE GENERATORS GASSED UP.

THAT IS A LARGE TICKET ITEM. SO THAT WOULD BE TRUE ON ANY PROJECT, RIGHT? THE BYPASS PIPING, IT'S ALWAYS A LARGE TICKET ITEM, AND IT'S ALWAYS A HASSLE TO SET UP UPFRONT MAKING SURE IT'S FUNCTIONING.

AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING EMPLOYEES THERE MONITORING IT 24 HOURS A DAY.

BUT IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE TICKET ITEM FOR THE BYPASSING.

SO LIKE $2 MILLION DIVIDED BY 9000 LINEAR FEET IS LIKE $220 A FOOT.

IS THAT MORE OF AN ACCURATE ESTIMATE? SO THAT COST, THE GENERAL COST THAT WE'RE GIVEN WAS REALLY STRICTLY JUST THE MAIN REPLACEMENTS.

BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL SANITARY SEWER SERVICE CONNECTIONS.

WE'RE FIXING THOSE AS WELL. SO EVERY CONNECTION THERE IS PRETTY MUCH GETTING REDONE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

YEAH, THAT ADDS UP A BUNCH TO WHEN YOU HAVE 55.

SO I'M THINKING WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE THAT 105 AND DOUBLE IT JUST TO GET TO ACCURATELY WHAT THE WHOLE SCOPE OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT, IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS THROUGH THERE.

BUT IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT LINING OR PIPE BURSTING, I THINK THOSE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE.

BUT IF YOU WANT LIKE A PROJECT AS A WHOLE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO UP THOSE.

YEAH. I'M JUST LIKE, IF WE'RE MEETING WITH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IN THE LEGISLATURE WHO DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT, WHEN YOU WAVE THE MAGIC WAND AND SAY, DOUBLE ALL THE DENSITY IN THE ENTIRE TOWN, YOU SAY, WELL, NOW OUR 50 YEAR PLAN OR YOU'RE 20 NOW WE'VE GOT TO GO IN.

AND WHAT WOULD REALLY BE GOOD, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PROVIDE IT TO YOU, BUT WE COULD PROVIDE THE OLD CONTRACT TO THE NEW CONTRACT AND YOU COULD JUST DO NUMBERS TO NUMBERS. PERCENT INCREASES IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING FOR.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WELL, THAT'S PART OF IT. BUT IT'S ALSO IT'S IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE TO SPEND $2 MILLION IF WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET 50 YEARS OUT OF IT.

IF WE THINK IN 20 YEARS, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, NOW WE'VE GOT TO. AND REALLY, JUST FOR THE CURRENT CONDITION, I MEAN, WE'RE SAVING ON, I ANY ANY SORT OF INFILTRATION THAT'S GOING THROUGH THERE THAT'S END UP AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT WE'RE PRETTY MUCH JUST TREATING GROUNDWATER.

SO THAT'LL SIGNIFICANTLY BUTTON UP THOSE COSTS, HIDDEN COSTS.

BUT IT IS IS THERE AND IT DOES EXIST. THIS WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. BLAKE. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL. SO THIS IS THIS IS AN ACTIONABLE ITEM.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE YOU WANT TO DISCUSS OR WOULD YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE K2 AS PRESENTED. SECOND. THAT'S K1 SORRY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

COUNCIL MEMBER DREW. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS I, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

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TAYLOR. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. WARNER. AYE. GREAT.

OKAY. ITEM K ONE PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. THE NEXT ITEM LEXIN MURPHY IS GOING TO PRESENT ON THIS ITEM.

[K.2. CSP26-0001 - Lightbridge Academy - Public Hearing to consider a request for a Comprehensive Sign Package (CSP26-0001 – Lightbridge Academy) for a ground sign. The property is generally located south of Sagebrush Drive and west of Long Prairie Road. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 6 to 0 at its September 28, 2026, meeting.)]

IT'S THE LIGHTBRIDGE ACADEMY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL. AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A REQUESTED COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE FOR THE LIGHTBRIDGE ACADEMY.

THAT MEANS THEY ARE REQUESTING MODIFICATION TO THIS TOWN'S BASE SIGN STANDARDS, SO REQUIRES APPROVAL BY COUNCIL.

HERE'S THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS WEST OF LONG PRAIRIE AND SOUTH OF SAGEBRUSH.

THIS IS OUR NORMAL. AERIAL VIEWS ARE NOT QUITE UPDATED, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED.

YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE A MORE DETAILED VIEW.

THE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS OFFICE AND THE ZONING IS PLANNED.

DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 186 WITH OFFICE USES AS PART OF THE LARGER EMBRY DEVELOPMENT.

THE PURPOSE OF A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE IS TO ALLOW FOR A SPECIALIZED REVIEW OF SIGNS WHICH MAY HAVE MERITORIOUS DESIGN, SEEK TO PROMOTE A UNIQUE QUALITY FOR AN EXISTING OR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND IT REQUIRES SPECIAL CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNCIL.

SO HERE'S THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY. THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IN THE SIGN WHERE YOU SEE THE RED RECTANGLE.

AND HERE IS A VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. AND LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN.

THIS IS LOOKING NORTHWEST. SO YOU CAN SEE BASED ON THE ARROW AND THE PREVIOUS IDENTIFICATION, WHERE THAT SIGN WOULD GO THERE AT THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING.

AND THIS IS JUST GENERALLY SHOWING YOU WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IN RELATION TO THE DESIGN OF THE SIGN.

BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO THE REASON THAT THIS IS BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS BECAUSE THE TOWN'S BASE CODE REQUIRES THAT GROUND SIGNS SHALL BE LOCATED AT LEAST 60FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINES OF ANY OTHER LOT.

AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT WILL BE 26FT FROM THE ONE OF THE LOT LINES AND 21FT FROM THE OTHER.

SO THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT REALLY ALL THAT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF THE LARGER PLAN OR THE LARGER VIEW, IT'LL BE BACK HERE.

LONG PRAIRIE IS THERE. THERE'S A ROW OF DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN IT.

APPLICANT HAS INDICATED IT'S MORE KIND OF FOR WAYFINDING TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN IDENTIFY THEIR BUSINESS AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED ON THE SITE.

BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I KNOW P AND Z APPROVED THIS UNANIMOUSLY, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY? YEAH. LEXIN. YOU SAID IT WAS JUST.

IT'S BECAUSE IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

I GUESS I THINK OF EMBRY AS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE WE SAW IT AS ONE PD.

IF IT WAS STILL ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN NEED THIS EXCEPTION.

IF IT WAS JUST LIKE A PIECE OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT, WELL, THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER OF GROUND SIGNS YOU COULD HAVE ON ONE LOT. SO IT'S A YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

BECAUSE IT'S MULTIPLE LOTS, BUT THEN THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ALL HAVE FRONTAGE.

SO, BUT WE KIND OF, IF THERE'S EASEMENTS THAT ALLOW FRONTAGE, WE CONSIDER IT ALL HAVING FRONTAGE, BUT USUALLY YEAH, YOU WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T USUALLY HAVE MULTIPLE GROUND SIGNS ON ONE LOT.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT EXACTLY. GOTCHA.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. LEXIN. DO YOU ALL WANT THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. NO QUESTIONS.

OKAY. SO SOUNDS LIKE WELL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS.

DO WE THAT. DOES ANYONE WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM BEFORE I CLOSE IT? OKAY. NO TAKERS. ALL RIGHT. SO IF THERE IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DELIBERATE OR MAKE A MOTION, YOU CAN. AT THIS TIME I COULD MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE APPROVAL OF K TWO LIGHTBRIDGE ACADEMY SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

HARRIS. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

DREW. AYE. OKAY. ITEM K TWO PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. LEXIN. SO WE HAVE THE TOWN CENTER.

[K.3. CSP26-0002 - Town Center West Addition - Venture X - Public Hearing to consider a request for a Comprehensive Sign Package (CSP26-0002- Town Center West Addition – Venture X) to allow one additional wall sign on the building. The property is generally located west of Churchill Drive and north of Peters Colony Road. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 6 to 0 at its September 28, 2026, meeting.)]

THE NEXT ITEM IS TOWN CENTER WEST ADDITION. THIS IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING TO REQUEST ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE FOR VENTURE X.

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YES THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. MAYOR. HERE IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE IT IS WEST OF CHURCHILL AND SOUTH OF CROSS TIMBERS.

HERE'S A MORE DETAILED VIEW. THE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS OFFICE AND THE ZONING IS OFFICE AS WELL.

SO HERE IS JUST AN EXHIBIT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

THE NEW SIGN IS THE VENTURE X ONE. THE EXISTING SIGN IS FOR WOUND WOUND CARE AND HYPERBARICS.

AGAIN, WE HAD ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE WITH THE LAST APPLICATION.

THE REASON FOR THE CSP FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THE TOWN'S REQUIREMENTS FOR WALL SIGNS.

FOR NON RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WITH MULTI-TENANT INTERIOR ACCESS, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED ONE WALL SIGN SHALL BE PERMITTED PER BUILDING WALL, NOT TO EXCEED TWO WALLS TO IDENTIFY A MAXIMUM OF TWO TENANTS.

SO IT'S NOT THAT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS IS A PROBLEM, AND IT'S NOT THAT THE SIZE OF THE SIGNS IS A PROBLEM, IT'S THAT THEY WANT TO PUT THEM BOTH ON ONE SIDE.

AND TYPICALLY WE WOULD ONLY ALLOW ONE SIGN PER SIDE.

SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT P AND Z. AND THEN I ALSO GOT A QUESTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND SO I JUST WENT AHEAD AND ADDED THIS STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITION HERE TO ELIMINATE ANY CONFUSION ABOUT HOW THIS MIGHT BE INTERPRETED IN THE FUTURE.

IF THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN APPROVING THIS AND YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, YOU COULD APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITION OF A THIRD WALL SIGN WILL NOT BE PERMITTED ON ANY ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING UNLESS A FUTURE AMENDMENT TO THE CSP IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, ALLOWING IT.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE INTENTION OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO ONLY ALLOW MAXIMUM OF TWO SIGNS.

THEY'RE JUST ASKING TO PUT BOTH OF THEM ON ONE BUILDING WALL, BUT WOULDN'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY CONFUSION IN THE FUTURE WHERE SOMEBODY READS THIS AND SAYS, OH, WELL, THEY GOT PERMISSION TO HAVE THE SECOND SIGN ON ONE WALL, SO THEY STILL GET THE OTHER SIGN ON THE OTHER WALL THAT THEY WOULD.

SO JUST PREVENTING ANY CONFUSION THERE. SO AGAIN THIS IS THE SITE HERE WE ARE LOOKING SOUTH.

THIS IS LOOKING EAST. THIS IS LOOKING NORTH. AND THEN LOOKING WEST.

AND THIS IS A VIEW FROM A DISTANCE. JUST TO SHOW YOU AGAIN EXISTING BUILDING.

THERE'S ONE OF THE SIGNS THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE OTHER ONE NEXT TO IT.

THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION AT. THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION.

THE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? LEXIN COULD YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE? I THINK IT WAS 23. YEAH. SO THE OPEN SPACE IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING, IS THAT POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE BUILT ON? YES. THERE IS A BUILDING PROPOSED THERE. I BELIEVE IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING THOUGH.

SO IT WOULD STILL BE UNDERNEATH WHERE THE SIGNAGE WOULD BE LOCATED.

IT SHOULD STILL BE VISIBLE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. ALL RIGHT. WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR TOWN COUNCIL. MY NAME IS SPENCER GEORGE AND I'M THE OWNER OF VENTURE X FLOWER MOUND.

WE'RE CURRENTLY BUILDING OUT OUR SPACE AT 3101 CHURCHILL DRIVE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU HEARING US. AND CONSIDERING ADDING AN ADDITIONAL WALL SIGN ON THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.

SO A LITTLE CONTEXT ABOUT VENTURE X IS WE ARE A PREMIUM CO-WORKING AND FLEXIBLE OFFICE SPACE.

WE'RE BUILDING OUT 16,000FT² ON THE THIRD FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING.

AND WE'LL HAVE 90 PRIVATE OFFICES, THREE CONFERENCE ROOMS EVENT SPACE.

WE ALSO OFFER DAY OFFICES, DAY PASSES. SO YOUR TYPICAL OFFICE TENANT IS GOING TO BE ONE COMPANY, MAYBE 20, 30 OR HOWEVER EMPLOYEES THAT ARE GOING TO BE VISITING THAT OFFICE SPACE EVERY DAY.

WE'RE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO HAVE POTENTIALLY 90 BUSINESSES IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY WITH THEIR OWN CLIENTS AND GUESTS, FIRST TIME VISITORS AND CONFERENCE ROOM RENTALS, SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO DO AND EVENTS EVENT SPACE FOR GATHERINGS.

AND YEAH, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF GUESTS AND FIRST TIME VISITORS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO THE BUILDING.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE VISIBLE AND EASY TO LOCATE.

HERE'S ANOTHER SITE MAP. I KNOW YOU JUST SAW THIS, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THE PROPOSED SIGN IS GOING TO BE ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.

AND THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT IS JUST THE VISIBILITY ON CROSS TIMBERS ROAD.

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AS OPPOSED TO CHURCHILL AND PETERS COLONY, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE MEMBERS AND GUESTS ARE GOING TO BE COMING FROM.

IT'S A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT APPROACH.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S EASY FOR THEM TO FIND AND VISIBLE.

AND YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF MORE PICTURES FROM THE STREET VIEW THAT WHEN YOU APPROACH THE BUILDING, IT IS A MULTI-TENANT OFFICE BUILDING. SO DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE NEW VISITORS OR FIRST TIME VISITORS AND A LOT OF GUESTS, WE FEEL LIKE THE SIGN WOULD BE CRUCIAL. AND HERE IS A PROPOSED RENDERING OF THE SIGNAGE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A FRONT LIT CHANNEL SIGN AND THE SIZE AND ALL THAT WAS KIND OF WE, WE KIND OF DESIGNED IT TO WHERE IT COMPLEMENTS THE EXISTING SIGNAGE THAT'S ON THERE.

WE FEEL LIKE IT WAS A BALANCE AND IT BRINGS SYMMETRY AND UNIFORM TO THE, TO THE BUILDING.

SO YEAH, THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD RENDERING TO GIVE YOU THE A GOOD PICTURE OF THAT.

AND YEAH, THAT'S BASICALLY IT. WE APPRECIATE YOU HEARING US AND HOPEFULLY APPROVE THIS COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE FOR THE ADDITIONAL WALL SIGN ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS.

I'M HERE WITH MY GC KEVIN WITH ABOVE BOARD CONSTRUCTION AND ALSO MY SIGN CONTRACTOR DAVE WITH SIGMA SIGNS.

IF YOU GUYS NEED TO HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I KNOW THAT THEY MENTIONED THE SIZE OF THE LOGO.

YOU YOU SAID THAT RENDERING IS NOT QUITE ACCURATE.

IT'LL BE THE SAME SIZE AS THE LETTERING, CORRECT? YEAH. I MEAN, THE PICTURE WASN'T TO SCALE, BUT I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT TO WHERE IT'S BALANCED AND CONSISTENT.

VERY GOOD. AND THEN IF AND THEN I KNOW PLANNING AND ZONING HAD IN THAT MEETING, THEY HAD MENTIONED THAT IF ANOTHER COMPANY COMES IN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO STILL HAVE THE SAME STIPULATIONS ON THAT SIGNAGE AS FAR AS SIZING AND ALL THAT.

CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? LEXIN. LIKE IF ANOTHER BUSINESS COMES IN AND THEY HAVE.

YOU JUST MEAN IF SOMEONE ELSE, LIKE IF THEY MOVE OUT OF THE BUILDING AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT THERE, THEN YES, IT WOULD STILL NEED TO FOLLOW THE TOWN'S REGULATIONS.

IT WOULD JUST ALLOW STILL, FOR A SIGN OF THAT SAME SIZE TO GO IN AT THAT SPOT.

VERY GOOD. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT QUESTION.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY BACKGROUND RATIONALE ON THE ORDINANCE OF THE ONE SIGN PER WALL? WELL, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE. I THINK IT'S JUST IN GENERAL THAT THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, TRIES TO PREVENT VISUAL CLUTTER WITH TOO MUCH SIGNAGE.

BUT I WILL SAY OUR OTHER MULTI-STORY OFFICE BUILDING IN TOWN THAT COMES TO MIND IS THE LAKESIDE INTERNATIONAL OFFICE BUILDING.

AND WE HAVE ALLOWED MORE THAN ONE SIGN ON THAT FRONTAGE ALONG 24.99 AS WELL.

SO I FEEL LIKE MORE RECENTLY WE'VE KIND OF MOVED TO TRYING TO PROMOTE THOSE LARGER OFFICE BUILDINGS MORE WITH LIKE VISIBLE SIGNAGE THAT LAKESIDE BUILDING. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ALLOWED ON THE ONE SIDE OF THAT? NOT OFFHAND. NO. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. I JUST KNOW WE HAVE A I KNOW WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO ON THERE.

THANK YOU. THERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING. WHAT IS IT BEHIND LOS CAMINOS? IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR. AND I THINK I'M LOOKING AT STREET VIEW AND THERE'S THREE BUT THREE SIGNS ON THE BUILDING.

SO I GUESS IT'S NOT THAT UNUSUAL. MAYBE THAT TYPE OF BUILDING IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL IN TOWN MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

YEAH, SURE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'M GOING TO OPEN IT.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT CARDS.

RIGHT. OH, COME ON FORWARD. AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR MUNICIPALITY THAT YOU'RE FROM.

YEAH. MY NAME IS ETHEL HARRELL, AND I JUST COULDN'T SIT BY THIS ANYMORE.

IT SEEMS SO HYPOCRITICAL. RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS BUILDING IS A STRIP MALL THAT HAS SIGNS EVERY TEN, 20FT THERE. AND IT JUST SEEMS SO HYPOCRITICAL THAT THIS NICE STATELY BUILDING IS BEING ONLY ALLOWED ONE.

AND THIS OTHER BUILDING GOT MUIN, FLOYD'S BARBERSHOP AND ALL THOSE.

Y'ALL KNOW WHAT THAT IS? IT'S JUST FULL OF SIGNS.

AND IT JUST SEEMS SO HYPOCRITICAL THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE CHOKEHOLD ON THESE GUYS FOR NO APPARENT GOOD REASON.

OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

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GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. DAVID ELLIOTT WITH SIGMA SIGN COMPANY.

I AM A FLOWER MOUND RESIDENT. OUR BUSINESS IS 1590 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 121 IN LEWISVILLE.

BUT YOU GUYS HAVE DEALT WITH THIS FOR MANY YEARS.

IF YOU LOOK AT 56 OR 25, 60 CENTRAL PARK, WHICH IS PART OF RIVERWALK.

SAME THINGS GOING ON THERE IN MULTIPLE SIGNS ON ELEVATIONS ON THAT BUILDING.

THEY HAVE SHARED ACCESS. I'M ASKING YOU TO GRANT THEIR REQUEST, BUT I WOULD ALSO PERHAPS TURN INWARD AND LOOK AT THIS SECTION OF CODE. THERE ARE ONLY A FEW BUILDINGS IN FLOWER MOUND THAT MEET THIS QUALIFICATION.

AND AS YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE THE NEW ONE THAT'S COMING IN FRONT OF THEM, THE SAME ISSUE IS GOING TO BE RISEN.

IT'S IT'S SHARED ACCESS. THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN DOOR INTO THE SPACE.

AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MUA AND ALL THE OTHER STRIP CENTERS.

THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN DOOR. SO IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN DOOR, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A SIGN ABOVE THAT DOOR.

BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR OWN DOOR, IT'S SHARED ACCESS AND IT FALLS INTO THIS CATEGORY, WHICH IS VERY UNIQUE TO FLOWER MOUND.

IF YOU GO TO PLANO OR ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY, THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SHARED ACCESS.

SO GRANT THEIR REQUEST, BUT THEN PERHAPS TURN INWARD TO REVISIT THIS, THIS CODE, BECAUSE I DEAL WITH IT ALL THE TIME. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR DELIBERATION AT THIS TIME.

I DO KNOW THAT PNC PASSED THIS UNANIMOUSLY. I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO REVISIT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CODE FOR THIS, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO EVALUATE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT IT CERTAINLY SEEMS CLEAR THAT THIS IS A GREAT, I MEAN, DESIGN PACKAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PART OF THIS ITEM, BUT MAYBE DOING A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM JUST TO INVESTIGATE HOW THIS IS COMPARED IN OTHER COMPARABLE MUNICIPALITIES. WHAT I WAS THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER WHO STARTED US DOWN THE PATH OF EXAMINING A COUPLE OF THE RETAIL COMPONENTS OF SIGNAGE.

WE CAN SEE IF THEY'VE GOT A COHORT THAT'S DEALING WITH SOME OF THESE MULTI-STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS WITH A SIMILAR SITUATION TO FIND OUT HOW BIG OF AN ISSUE IT IS IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD SEE IF WE COULD PARTNER WITH THEM ON TO GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK.

IF THAT WORKS FOR THE COUNCIL. YEAH. ANY WAY WE CAN MAKE IT EASIER? YEAH. SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. I'M SORRY. ANY WAY WE CAN MAKE IT EASIER FOR.

YEAH. WELL, WE HAVE HIGH STANDARDS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A PROCESS TO BREAK OUR OWN RULES, AND I THINK IT WORKS PRETTY WELL.

I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT WRONG. THESE OTHER BUILDINGS DO HAVE A LOT OF SIGNS ON THEM, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS APPLICATION.

I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I DO LIKE THE CONDITION THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TIDIED UP THAT ONE QUESTION.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S THE PROCESS. THIS IS THE PROCESS WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK. IT'S, YOU KNOW, A HASSLE. THAT'S NOT INCORRECT. BUT I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES, WE AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO WANT TO EMULATE THEM.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF LENIENCY THAT WE GIVE IN THIS PACKAGE, BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS THE BUSINESSES TO BE HIGHLIGHTED.

I THINK THAT'S FOR SURE. I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS SCHIESTEL.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO EMULATE ANYBODY ELSE. AND MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT IS HOW MANY OF US ARE REALLY LOOKING AT SIGNS ON BUILDINGS TO FIND SOME PLACE THESE DAYS, BECAUSE I'M NOT HE'S MY PHONE. RIGHT. RIGHT. WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WE USE MAPS.

IF I'M GOING TO A PLACE THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN BEFORE, I LIKE TO SEE IT IN THE NAME ON THE BUILDING. I'LL USE WAZE OR GOOGLE MAPS TO GET THERE.

BUT THEN THERE'S MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. IT DOES HELP TO SEE THAT THAT SIGN TO CONFIRM WHICH DOOR TO GO INTO.

ALL RIGHT. SO DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE REGULAR ITEM K THREE AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER DREW AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. HARRIS.

I DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. TAYLOR. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

WARNER. AYE. OKAY. ITEM K THREE PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

SO AS I STATED EARLIER, ITEM K FOUR, THE VALLEY CREEK CHURCH PICKLEBALL LIGHTING WAIVER WAS IS WITHDRAWN.

WE MAY COMMENT ABOUT THAT EARLIER. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO K FIVE.

[K.5. ZPD26-0009 - 6905 Orchard Drive - Public Hearing to consider an ordinance for rezoning (ZPD26-0009 – 6905 Orchard Drive) from Single-Family District-10 (SF-10) uses to Planned Development District No. 212 (PD-212) with Single Family District-10 (SF-10) uses and with certain exceptions and modifications to the Code of Ordinances. The property is generally located south of Orchard Drive and east of Meadow Lane. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 6 to 0 at its September 28, 2026, meeting.) ]

THIS IS THE 6905 ORCHARD DRIVE. PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE FOR REZONING.

THANK YOU MAYOR. HERE IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE IT IS SOUTH OF ORCHARD DRIVE THERE.

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AND SO I DID WANT TO CALL ATTENTION THAT WHILE THE HOUSE IS BUILT KIND OF ACROSS THIS LARGER YELLOW DASHED LINE THE PROPERTY THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNCIL TODAY FOR THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES ARE ONLY THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION.

SO HERE IS A MORE CLOSE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

THE LAND USE IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE CROSS TIMBERS CONSERVATION DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

AND THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY IS SF TEN WITH UNDERLYING SF THREE OBSOLETE REGULATIONS.

SO THIS IS PART OF THE REDBUD POINT PLOT. AND HERE YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT BETTER HOW THIS WAS ACTUALLY THREE LOTS.

IT WAS ACTUALLY PLATTED IN THE 60S BEFORE THE TOWN WAS INCORPORATED.

SO IT WAS DONE THROUGH THE COUNTY. AND THE HOUSE WAS ALSO BUILT AT THAT TIME BEFORE THE TOWN WAS INCORPORATED.

SO IT WAS KIND OF BUILT ACROSS THESE THREE LOTS.

BUT THE TOWN IS PROPOSING THESE PD CONDITIONS TO ONLY APPLY TO THE BOTTOM LOT TO PREVENT ANY CONFUSION IN THE FUTURE IN CASE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, RIGHT NOW THESE ARE ALL BEING USED KIND OF AS ONE LOT. BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THESE WOULD BE SOLD TO SOMEONE IN THE FUTURE, THEY WANTED TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE AND DEVELOP IT AS THREE DIFFERENT HOUSES, WE WOULDN'T WANT THESE PD CONDITIONS TO APPLY TO ALL THREE LOTS, BECAUSE IT WOULD GREATLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ACCESSORY BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE ON THE THREE LOTS IF THEY WERE ALL DEVELOPED SEPARATELY.

AND THAT IS REALLY THE WHOLE POINT OF THESE PD STANDARDS THAT ARE BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

IT'S TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF 1000 SQUARE FOOT GREENHOUSE HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING TWO STORY RESIDENCE EAST OF MEADOW LANE. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IS WHERE THE GREENHOUSE IS PROPOSED.

THERE IS EXISTING TEMPORARY GARDEN SHELTER THAT WILL BE REMOVED WHEN THE NEW GREENHOUSE IS CONSTRUCTED.

THERE'S ALSO AN EXISTING COW SHED THAT'S 180FT² AND A STORAGE SHED THAT'S 50FT².

SO THIS IS LOOKING EAST INTO THE SITE, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE AREA WHERE THE NEW GREENHOUSE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED.

THIS IS ALSO LOOKING EAST, BUT FROM FURTHER UP NORTH.

SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE HOUSE AND WHERE THE, THAT EXISTING TEMPORARY GARDEN STRUCTURE IS THAT WILL BE REMOVED WHEN THE NEW GREENHOUSE IS CONSTRUCTED. SO THE TOWN'S BASE REGULATIONS WITHIN THE SF TEN ZONING DISTRICT.

THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ACCESSORY BUILDINGS THAT'S ALLOWED IS TWO.

AS I MENTIONED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THERE IS ALREADY THE STORAGE SHED AND COW SHED, SO THERE ARE ALREADY TWO.

SO THEY WOULD NEED THE ABILITY TO HAVE A THIRD ONE IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE PROPOSED GREENHOUSE.

SO THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A MAXIMUM OF THREE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.

AND THEN THE AREA OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IS ALSO PROPOSED FOR MODIFICATION WITHIN THE SF TEN ZONING DISTRICT, THE COMBINED FLOOR AREA OF ALL ACCESSORY BUILDINGS CANNOT EXCEED 750FT², OR 25% OF THE FLOOR AREA FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, WHICHEVER IS LESS. THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE COMBINED FLOOR AREA OF ALL ACCESSORY BUILDINGS TO NOT EXCEED 1250FT².

AND WE'LL SAY THAT OF THE THREE PROPERTIES COMBINED, IT IS OVER AN ACRE.

AND SO THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE WOULD SEE FOR SF ZONING, WHICH IS MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF AN ACRE, BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW UP TO 1500FT² OF ACCESSORY BUILDING.

SO AGAIN, THERE IS THAT CONCEPT PLAN. HERE IS SOME CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED.

HERE ARE THE PROPOSED PD CONDITIONS. THE COMBINED FLOOR AREA OF ALL ACCESSORY BUILDINGS SHALL NOT EXCEED 1250FT².

TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCESSORY BUILDINGS SHALL NOT EXCEED THREE.

THE EXISTING EXISTING TEMPORARY GARDEN SHELTER SHALL BE REMOVED PRIOR TO FINAL APPROVAL OF THE NEW STRUCTURE.

I KNOW THE APPLICANT HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COULD GET ALL OF HIS PLANTS INTO THE NEW STRUCTURE.

DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE EXPOSED TO THE COLD KIND OF IN PROCESS.

SO STAFF HAS SHARED WITH HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD START TRANSPORTING THOSE INTO THE NEW BUILDING BEFORE THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY FINALED. WE DO NORMALLY WORK WITH PEOPLE FOR THAT, LETTING THEM MOVE THINGS INTO BUILDINGS BEFORE YOUR FINAL, JUST NOT FULLY OCCUPYING THEM. AND ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A CONDITION THAT A HOLD HARMLESS FORM SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION.

DUE TO US NOT BEING CERTAIN WHERE THE LOCATION OF ALL THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ON THE SITE, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO STAFF.

WE HAD REVIEWED IT TODAY, HAD OUR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IT TODAY, SO WE WERE ABLE TO STRIKE THAT CONDITION FROM THE REQUEST.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE CONCEPT PLAN AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION. LEXIN YOU MENTIONED THAT IF THIS WAS SFE BE ALLOWED 1500FT²,

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WOULD THERE BE A MAXIMUM OF NUMBER OF ACCESSORY UNIT BUILDINGS? I DON'T RECALL. I DID KNOW THAT AT ONE POINT I THOUGHT IT WAS THREE.

DIDN'T IT SAY THREE? PRESIDENT OH! OH! GOTCHA.

LET ME JUST LOOK THAT UP REAL QUICK.

OKAY. LET'S SEE. WE SAY, EXCEPT IN AG, NO MORE THAN TWO ACCESSORY BUILDINGS SHALL NOT EXCEED THIS EXCEPT FOR SF, WHICH SHALL NOT EXCEED IN NO CASE. SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE STILL LIMITED TO TWO.

NORMALLY IN SF. OKAY.

OKAY. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY. THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION. COME FORWARD.

YEAH. SORRY. I WANT TO GET MY WINES IN HERE, BUT LET'S SEE, HOW DO I GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? THERE WE GO. THE ZONING AND PLANNING AREN'T VERY OH.

STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN. EDSEL. HAROLD. THANK YOU.

I'M THE OWNER. SO THIS IS A FRUSTRATING PROCESS.

THE CITY DOESN'T SEEM TO COMPREHEND THAT PLANTS NEED TO BE PROTECTED IN THE WINTER TIME.

AND THAT'S A TEMPORARY USE TYPE OPERATION. I'M ALSO TRYING TO PUT IN A BETTER QUALITY GREENHOUSE THAN A HIGH HOOP TYPE THING, WHICH WOULD BE PERFECTLY LEGIT BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THESE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.

AND IT'S LIKE, THAT'S WHAT REALLY DROVE ME CRAZY.

MY NEIGHBORS ARE SFE, OKAY? THEY DON'T HAVE THIS ISSUE.

AND I, THE PERMITTING STUFF, THEY'RE THROWN UP, JUST NUMEROUS ROADBLOCKS THERE.

THE ZONING THING IS THE FIRST HURDLE I GOT TO GET OVER.

THEN THEY WANT TO HAVE IT CERTIFIED THAT IT CAN WITHSTAND 150 MILE AN HOUR WINDS.

AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE TRAMPOLINE COMES FLYING BY, YOU KNOW, AND TAKES IT OUT? IT'S LIKE, THAT SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGH LEVEL FOR A GREENHOUSE.

BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AND THE OTHER STUFF.

BUT, AND THEN THE SEWER STUFF WE FINALLY GOT THAT WORKS LOOKED LIKE, OKAY.

YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS THIS ISN'T A HOBBY GREENHOUSE.

THIS IS 1000 SQUARE FOOT. YOU KNOW, I CONSIDER THIS A MAJOR OPERATION.

THIS ISN'T JUST GOING TO BE A HOBBY. OKAY. AND UNDER TEXAS STATE LAW FARMING AND HORTICULTURAL PRACTICES ARE EXPLICITLY ALLOWED. OKAY. IN THESE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, CHAPTER 251 AND HOUSE BILL 1750.

AND THEN THE CITIES ARE LIABLE FOR DAMAGES AND COSTS PER CHAPTER 25155 AND LIKE I SAY, GREENHOUSES ARE EXPLICITLY DEFINED AS GENERALLY ACCEPTED AGRICULTURAL PRACTICE.

OKAY. MY SEPTIC SYSTEMS, OKAY, THAT THEY REMOVED THAT THE ISSUE I HAD ALSO WAS I'D LIKE TO GET SOME SORT OF FORMAL PRESENTATION OR SOME SORT OF FORMAL THING THAT I DON'T HAVE TO COME AND FEED WITH PERMITTING LATER AND SAY, WELL. SOMEBODY SAID THAT I WAS GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO MOVE MY STUFF IN.

AND I'D LIKE TO GET THAT SOME SOMEHOW MORE OFFICIAL.

OKAY. I JUST SEE THAT. COMING BACK TO BITE ME IN THE BUTT AGAIN.

HERE'S THE LAYOUT. LIKE I SAY, I DREW IN THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS EXPLICITLY AND THE GREENHOUSE ARE IN RED.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. SO, MR. HARRELL, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.

I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATIONS BECAUSE IT CAN BE HARD TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IT.

THERE IS A REASON THAT WE DO THE PROCESS. THIS WAS AN OLD IF IT IF IT IMPACTED FLOWER MOUND CITIZENS,

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ESPECIALLY IN A TOWN NAMED FLOWER MOUND. OKAY.

I KNOW THAT I MEAN, IF IT IF IT, LIKE I SAY, IF IT AFFECTS.

SURE. I UNDERSTAND AND I'M TRYING TO ABIDE BY THE STUFF, BUT IT'S HARD.

I ALSO JUST RUN ACROSS OTHER LUDICROUS RESTRICTIONS ON PROTECTING MY PLANTS.

I HAVE TENDER PLANTS IN MY FRONT YARD AND IT'S LIKE I CAN'T PUT UP A FORMAL STRUCTURE.

I HAVE A POP UP TENT ON THAT, AND I FOUND OUT NOW THAT I'M VIOLATING THE ZONING CODES DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN MY FRONT YARD DURING THE WINTER AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, BUT IT'S OKAY IF I PUT PLASTIC OVER IT, BUT I GOT TO GO OUT THERE AND REMOVE THAT EVERY DAY.

WHEREAS POP UP, ONE HAS WINDOWS AND DOORS IN IT AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THIS JUST SEEMS I DON'T.

SORRY. WELL, SEE, YOU GOT OFF A LITTLE BIT OF A TANGENT THERE, BUT IT JUST SEEMS SO LUDICROUS THAT THIS IS THERE.

WE HAVE THESE RULES TO SUPPOSEDLY PROTECT THE CITIZENS, BUT FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS AND STUFF, IT'S LIKE, I'M NOT PUTTING A, YOU KNOW, A SHED OUT FRONT.

SO THAT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S AN ACCESSORY BUILDING REGARDLESS.

SO, SO ONE PERSON'S ESTHETIC IS NOT THE SAME FOR EVERYONE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE THIS IN PLACE BECAUSE IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT EVERYBODY IS IT'S NOT ALL CREATED EQUAL.

WHEN WE SAY AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS GOING TO BE PUT ON THERE.

MOST, MOST OF MY OTHER FRIENDS PRETTY MUCH I'M ON A CORNER LOT.

THAT'S WHAT CAUGHT ME HERE. AND THE SETBACK ON THE CORNER LOT THERE WAS I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN FROM THE FRONT.

IT'S LIKE, OKAY, OKAY, SORRY. YOU KNOW, IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.

I'M IGNORANT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT KNOWS NO BOUNDS THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT ME, SO OKAY.

THAT'S FINE. BUT NOT BEING ABLE TO, LIKE I SAY, COVER MY PLANTS IN MY FRONT YARD THAT ARE LIKE NOW SIX AND SEVEN FOOT TALL. IT'S LIKE, WELL, I GUESS MY CAMELLIAS IN MY GARDENIAS ARE GOING TO BE TOAST THIS WINTER BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COVER THEM WITHOUT VIOLATING THE ZONING CODES. SO THAT IS THAT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING.

ALSO. HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR. NO. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, I'LL ASK. I MEAN, I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU.

SO. LEXIN, CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THIS? SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT GREENHOUSES A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN MAYBE OTHER STRUCTURES? WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IMPLEMENTING CERTAIN STANDARDS, LIKE HOW MUCH WIND TOLERANCE THERE IS.

IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO LOOK INTO THAT AND POTENTIALLY PROPOSE DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR GREENHOUSES, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL GREENHOUSE.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S MADE OF WOOD. AND SO OUR BUILDING CODE REGULATIONS ARE TO ENSURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING HEAVY THAT'S GOING TO BE FLYING OUT OF YOUR YARD AND INJURING SOMEONE. IS A GREENHOUSE LIKE A DEFINED USE THAT'S SEPARATE FROM.

I KNOW WE HAVE LIKE A FEW NURSERIES AROUND TOWN THAT ARE THEY HAVE COMMERCIAL GREENHOUSE FACILITIES.

IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WE DO? THERE IS COMMERCIAL GREENHOUSE. YES. THAT LIKELY HAS ITS OWN BUILDING CODE REGULATIONS.

NOW, ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, IT'S JUST CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

AND IF HE WAS BUILDING A SHED, IT WOULD BE THE SAME SET OF RULES FOR JUST LIKE A STANDARD SHED.

YES, AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE. WHEN YOU'RE GETTING LARGER, THAT'S WHEN IT'S A MORE SUBSTANTIAL STRUCTURE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT WIND LOAD, BECAUSE THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT HOW WELL IS THIS GOING TO BE SECURED TO THE GROUND.

THIS IS BIG NOW. IT COULD IF IT DOES GO FLYING IT COULD POTENTIALLY HURT SOMEONE.

YEAH. I MEAN THAT DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE TO ME. I JUST WONDER IF GREENHOUSES ARE WORTH SOMETHING.

THERE ARE THEY ARE BUILT DIFFERENTLY OBVIOUSLY THAN OTHER TYPES CAN.

CERTAINLY STAFF CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND POTENTIALLY JUST SEND AN EMAIL TO THE COUNCIL WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

AND THEN YOU CAN LET US KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'D BE NICE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE. THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT MAYBE HAVE MORE OF THIS TYPE OF STRUCTURE. I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE SEE VERY MANY OF THESE. WE DON'T. YEAH.

YEAH. SO MAYBE THERE'S SOMEBODY, SOMETHING SOMEBODY HAS DONE BEFORE JUST TO MAKE THE LIFE A LITTLE. I THINK IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE PEOPLE BUILDING NICE BIG GREENHOUSES AND GROWING PLANTS. I MEAN, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MORE OF THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. AND I THINK YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT THAT THERE IS YOU CAN GO OUT AND DO YOUR GARDEN, BUT THEN YOU CAN COVER IT WITH PLASTIC, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO REMOVE IT EVERY DAY.

AND WHO WANTS TO DO. IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND IT'S ESTHETICALLY NOT GOOD.

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO REMOVE IT EVERY DAY. SO THE RENDERING THAT YOU GAVE US IS JUST BEAUTIFUL.

IT'S, I THINK, WORTHY OF HAVING THAT. AND IT REALLY IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF YOUR YARD.

BUT THERE IS A REASON WHY WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THIS.

YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE NEIGHBORS AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COMING IN AND DOING A.

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AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT CAN BE DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE THAT YOU'RE THE BEAUTIFUL ONE THAT YOU'RE DOING.

I UNDERSTAND SOME OF IT, BUT I'M ALSO HAVING TO PAY FOR A SHEETROCK, YOU KNOW, INSPECTION.

AND IT'S LIKE WHAT? YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A LOT OF LITTLE DETAILS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S LIKE FOR A GREENHOUSE. LEXIN. WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GREENHOUSE IN OTHER AREAS, COULD YOU ALSO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL? YES. THANK YOU. AND THIS IS FOLLOWING A SIMILAR STANDARD LIKE THE 500 750 SQUARE FOOT AUXILIARY AUXILIARY OR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THERE A CERTAIN LIKE THRESHOLD WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN ENGINEERING DESIGNS, DRAINAGE PLANS? YES. YEAH. WHEN IT GETS OVER LIKE 200FT² IS WHEN WE PUT STRICTER AND THEN IT GOES UP FROM THERE. YEAH. OKAY. BUT YEAH, IF DRYWALL IS OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO HAVE DRYWALL, AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT THIS IS THE, BUILDING CODE, NOT FLOWER MOUND STANDARD.

SO ALL THIS IS GOVERNED BY THE BUILDING CODES. THE BUILDING CODE ACTUALLY SAYS ANY STRUCTURE HAS GOT TO HAVE A FOUNDATION.

MOST CITIES DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR THAT UNTIL 120 200FT².

BUT EVERYTHING'S GOT TO MEET THE CODE. AND PART OF THAT CODE REQUIREMENT IS IT'S GOT TO BE ANCHORED A CERTAIN WAY SO THAT IT CAN WITHSTAND THE LOCAL WIND CODE.

SO FLOWER MOUND WIND CODE IS A LOT DIFFERENT.

DFW IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN, SAY, HOUSTON OR OBVIOUSLY LIKE FLORIDA.

YEAH. SO THAT'S REALLY THE BASE PREMISE OF THE BUILDING CODE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF STRUCTURE IS. YOU CAN CALL IT A GREENHOUSE OR A SHED. IT STILL FALLS UNDERNEATH THAT BUILDING CODE SELECTIONS POINT. WE CAN CERTAINLY SIT DOWN WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND PROVIDE SOME FOLLOW UP WITH THE COUNCIL ON KIND OF WHAT OPTIONS, IF ANY, THERE ARE TO, I'LL SAY, DEREGULATE GREENHOUSES FROM A RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE, AND WE CAN TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AT THAT POINT.

SO IF THE ANSWER IS IT SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO ME.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. YEAH.

AND KIND OF MY THOUGHT IS, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE SIGN PACKAGE.

LAST ITEM IS I THINK THE SYSTEM IS WORKING THE WAY IT SHOULD.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO GIVE CARTE BLANCHE JUST BECAUSE IT'S A GREENHOUSE AND WE WANT TO PROMOTE THE GROWTH OF PLANTS AND TREES AND SHRUBS AND FLOWERS, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A STRUCTURE. IT'S GOING TO GENERALLY STAND ABOVE A FENCE LINE.

WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO SETBACKS AND THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ESTHETIC THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. SO I THINK THIS IS SHOWING THAT THE PROCESS WORKS.

AND I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING. AND I DO FEEL FOR YOU FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE AS, AS TOMMY MENTIONED, THAT THIS MEETS THE BUILDING CODE. SO I FOR ONE, AM OKAY WITH HOW THE SYSTEM IS WORKING, BUT THAT'S JUST MY $0.02.

OKAY. THIS IS, THIS IS AGAIN A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO DOES ANYONE WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? DID I ALREADY OPEN THIS? NO. OKAY. WE'VE HAD SO MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.

ANYONE WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT, CLOSING IT.

IF THERE'S NO MORE DELIBERATION, DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE A MOTION? I DO HAVE A SUGGESTION ON HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS A LITTLE EASIER FOR THE APPLICANT.

LEXIN, CAN YOU PUT THE CONDITIONS BACK UP AGAIN? I THINK IT WAS 53 OR 1 OF THE LATER SLIDES. YEAH.

YOU JUST GO THE ONE AFTER THE PICTURE. THERE WE GO.

SO I WOULD APPROVE THIS AND JUST REMOVE ITEM THREE.

THAT'S HOW I WOULD HANDLE IT. MAKE THINGS A LITTLE EASIER FOR THIS APPLICANT. OH, YEAH.

I WOULD JUST SAY REMOVE IT COMPLETELY. I WOULD JUST STRIKE IT LIKE WE DID WITH FOUR.

THEN HE DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT EVERYTHING'S GOING TO FREEZE WHILE HE'S TRYING TO MOVE THINGS FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, AND HE CAN'T GET A PERMIT. HE JUST CAN DO IT AT HIS LEISURE.

I WOULD RATHER HAVE A STIPULATION THAT HE CAN MOVE IN BEFORE THIS IS FILED, JUST SO THAT IT IS CODIFIED.

IT HAS TO BE REMOVED AT SOME POINT. I MEAN, I LOOK AT THAT EXISTING TEMPORARY STRUCTURE AND IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE A STRUCTURE TO ME THAT SHOULD BE COUNTED.

IT'S JUST LIKE SOME COVER OVER A PIECE OF LIKE A BOX ON THE GROUND.

IT'S NOT EVEN REALLY A STRUCTURE. SO I'M, I BARELY EVEN SEE HOW THAT QUALIFIES AS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING OF ANY KIND.

SO I'M NOT SURE THAT IT SHOULD EVEN COUNT. I'M WITH I'M WITH BRIAN ON THIS.

I JUST THINK IT. OPENS UP SOMETHING POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE.

I AGREE. IT'S A I'M NOT SURE IT'S A PRECEDENT.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT A PRECEDENT BECAUSE THIS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT ONLY APPLIES TO THIS EXACT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

SO YOU'RE NOT BOUND IN THE FUTURE IN ANY WAY BY STRIKING THROUGH.

THAT'S HOW I WOULD HELP THIS APPLICANT WITH HIS FRUSTRATION.

IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO, I STILL WANT TO VOTE FOR IT. I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE. SO HOW ARE YOU WANTING TO WORD IT? SO I THINK WE LEAVE THREE IN.

BUT WE ALSO ADD A NOTE THAT SAYS THE APPLICANT MAY START RELOCATING INTO THIS BEFORE THE FINAL APPROVALS.

SO JUST REMOVE TO FINAL APPROVAL OF THE NEW STRUCTURE.

SO JUST SAYS YES TO REMOVE IT AT SOME POINT. IF YOU I MEAN JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IF YOU DON'T PUT A A POINT AT

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WHICH IT HAS TO BE REMOVED, THEN WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A WAY TO ENFORCE IT.

SO LEXIN, COULD IT, COULD IT BE? THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GOING FOR.

FINAL APPROVAL OF THE NEW. THEN HE JUST REMOVES IT IF HE WANTS. AFTER TRANSFER OF ALL OF THE REMOVAL UPON COMPLETION.

OKAY. HE WANTS TO GIVE A DATE. OH, WE CAN JUST WE COULD PUT A DATE.

WELL, WE CAN JUST APPROVE IT AS IT IS NOW. YEAH, WE COULD, BUT.

BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR HIM SO THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE CHANCE OF FREEZING HIS PLANTS, I AGREE. BUT THIS IS FOR. AND HE WANTS IT CODIFIED.

HE DID REQUEST THAT. SO WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY TO FINAL APPROVAL WITHIN ONE YEAR AFTER FINAL APPROVAL OF THE NEW STRUCTURE.

SO JUST MY MY $0.02 IS THAT I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND PUTTING A DATE IN THE ZONING BECAUSE THEN IF THEY DON'T MEET THE DATE, THEY'RE FOREVER OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR ZONING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T RETROACTIVELY MAKE YOURSELF HAVE MET IT.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU FAIL TO, I MEAN, I THINK IF THE INTENT IS JUST TO ENSURE THAT THE PLANTS CAN BE TRANSFERRED, I THINK WE CAN JUST ADD A SENTENCE THAT SAYS THAT PLANTS CAN BE TRANSFERRED PRIOR TO FINAL APPROVAL.

YES. OKAY. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. LET'S DO THAT.

OKAY. WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? THEN I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM K FIVE AS PRESENTED WITH THE ADDITION THAT THE PLANT MATERIALS CAN BE MOVED TO THE NEW STRUCTURE BEFORE REMOVAL OF THE OLD STRUCTURE PRIOR TO FINAL APPROVAL, PRIOR TO FINAL APPROVAL. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

COUNCIL MEMBER DREW A MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL A COUNCIL MEMBER.

HARRIS, A DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR, A COUNCIL MEMBER.

WARNER. AYE. OKAY. KAY. FIVE PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE WITH THE CHANGES MADE.

ALL RIGHT, LEXIN, WE HAVE ONE MORE. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE HOME DEPOT PARKING AND STORAGE.

[K.6. ZPD26-0003 - Home Depot Parking & Storage - Public Hearing to consider a request for rezoning (ZPD26-0003 – Home Depot Parking & Storage) to amend Planned Development District-31 (PD-31) with Campus Commercial District (CC) uses that is subject to Specific Use Permit 245 (SUP-245) to allow for outdoor sales, display and storage; both temporary and permanent. The property is generally located south of Lakeside Parkway and east of International Parkway. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 6 to 0 at its September 28, 2026, meeting.)]

THIS IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR REZONING.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE HOME DEPOT SITE.

HERE IS THE GENERAL LOCATION. EAST OF INTERNATIONAL PARKWAY, SOUTH OF LAKESIDE PARKWAY.

HERE'S A MORE DETAILED VIEW. THE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS CAMPUS COMMERCIAL AND THE ZONING IS PD 31 WITH CAMPUS COMMERCIAL USES.

HERE IS THE PLAN AS PROPOSED TONIGHT FOR THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.

YOU CAN SEE THERE IS MORE MATERIALS THAT ARE STACKED ALL AROUND THE BUILDING, AND THEN MORE PARKING SPACES IDENTIFIED THAT ARE FOR VEHICLES THAT ARE FOR RENT. THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND THEN IT'S BEEN AMENDED A FEW TIMES.

IT WAS AMENDED AT ONE POINT TO ALLOW SOME OF THAT FRONT STORAGE BEHIND A LITTLE FENCE THERE WOULD RAIL FENCE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

IT WAS ALSO AMENDED TO ALLOW SEASONAL SALES WITHIN THIS TENT AREA THAT YOU SEE NOTED THERE ON THE PLANS WITH KIND OF THE STARS OVER IT.

CURRENTLY THAT IS LIMITED TO ONLY CHRISTMAS TREES AND IT'S LIMITED TO ONLY THE NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIME FRAME.

AND THEN IT WAS AMENDED AGAIN TO ALLOW SOME OF THOSE VEHICLES TO BE PARKED FOR RENT.

THEY'RE WANTING TO EXPAND THOSE SPACES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THAT USE.

SO HERE IS SOME IMAGES. THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.