Sep 21, 2026 Town Council Archive

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. OKAY.

HI, MY NAME'S CAMERON CULVER, AND I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I'M CLINT BOWMAN. I'M THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF TOTAL CARE.

SO, I'VE GOT CLINT WITH ME IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT ESPECIALLY GET INTO, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT I MIGHT NOT KNOW OPERATIONALLY OR MEDICALLY THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ON, SO, I'VE ASKED HIM TO JOIN ME.

BUT GENERALLY, I'LL BE PRESENTING, AND, I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU JUST ASKED LEXI AS WELL. LEXI JUST WENT OVER KIND OF EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE REQUESTING, AND SO, MY FIRST COUPLE SLIDES ARE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY, IN THE CONTEXT OF KIND OF HOW I PRESENT. I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT GOT BROUGHT UP IN P&Z THAT WE DIDN'T DIRECTLY ADDRESS, BECAUSE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AFTER, OUR PRESENTATION. I'LL MAKE SURE THOSE ARE ADDRESSED IN THE WAY WE PRESENT THROUGH THIS AS LEXI MENTIONED, LIKE R2 ZONING SUP IS REQUIRED FOR OUR SPECIFIC USE, WHICH IS THE EXTENDED CARE MEDICAL USE.

THIS IS, THESE FREESTANDING ERS LIKE WE ARE PROPOSING HERE ARE STATE LICENSED FACILITIES. THAT'S, PART OF THE REASON FOR THOSE CANOPIES. WE WOULD WANT THOSE AS AN OPERATOR, BUT THERE'S A STATE LICENSE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THOSE COVERED CANOPIES FOR PATIENT DROP OFF AND AMBULANCE PICKUP, JUST FOR PROTECTION AND YEAH.

AND SAFETY THERE.

TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IF, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE 24-HOUR USE, THAT'S PART OF THE STATE LICENSE REQUIREMENT. SO, IN ORDER TO BE A FREESTANDING ER, YOU NEED TO BE AVAILABLE 24 HOURS. YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING THERE'S AN ER AVAILABLE, THEY DRIVE THE WRONG WAY, THEY SHOW UP. AND SO, FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S PART OF THE OPERATION AND PART OF THE STATE LICENSING REQUIREMENT. AND SO, AS YOU SAW THE SUP, THERE'S, THERE'S NO VARIANCES WE'RE REQUESTING WITH THIS. THE SUP IS BASED ABOUT AROUND THE USE, AND SO, THERE'S, THE, THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE BUSINESS HOUR, REQUIREMENTS WHERE BUSINESSES HAVE TO CLOSE.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON HOURS, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SUP FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE. NO VARIANCE ON NOISE ORDINANCE, NO VARIANCE ON LIGHTING ORDINANCE. WE FULLY WANT TO COMPLY WITH ANY ORDINANCE IN THE TOWN. WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR ACCEPTANCE OF OUR USE THROUGH THE SUP. AS YOU SAW, THE BUILDING'S ALREADY EXISTING, THE DEVELOPMENT'S BEEN APPROVED, ITS ACCESS IS EXISTING. THE ONLY KIND OF UNKNOWN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW IS WHAT TENANTS WILL BE HERE, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ONE.

DURING P&Z, NOISE, LIGHTING, THE NEED FOR THIS FACILITY, THE SPECIFIC LOCATION AND JUST THE SUP PERMITS, AND, YOU KNOW, COULD SOMETHING CHANGE, LIKE LEXI MENTIONED, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, COULD SOME BIT A DIFFERENT OPERATOR COME IN AND NOW THEY'RE DOING AMBULANCE DROP OFF, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND SO, I'LL HIT ON ALL OF THOSE. I'M GOING TO KIND OF SKIP THROUGH THIS BECAUSE YOU JUST SAW THE SLIDES THERE. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AS MENTIONED, WE WOULD OPEN A FAMILY PRACTICE, WHICH ALSO FUNCTIONS AS AN URGENT CARE NEXT DOOR TO THIS, AND SO, KIND OF DIFFERENT MODALITIES. WE, DO THAT IN MOST LOCATIONS THAT, TOTAL CARE OPERATES IN SO, THAT YOU CAN SERVE PATIENTS NO MATTER KIND OF WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. THEY MAY NOT NEED TO BE IN AN ER, AND SO, WE OPEN THE FAMILY PRACTICE URGENT CARE SPACE NEXT TO THAT, THAT MIGHT SERVE THEIR NEEDS BETTER. AND SO, I THINK ONE PART THAT I THINK IS RELEVANT IS JUST WHO IS TOTAL CARE, WHO'S COMING INTO YOUR COMMUNITY? AND SO, AS I ANSWER THESE, QUESTIONS, JUST TOTAL CARE IS, A LOCAL, FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS. IT WAS STARTED BY 3 BROTHERS OVER IN JOSHUA. THEY, STARTED A CLINIC THERE. THEIR GOAL WASN'T TO BUILD SOME BIG COMPANY.

THERE'S 17 LOCATIONS NOW. THAT WASN'T THE GOAL. THE GOAL WAS PRACTICE MEDICINE THE WAY THEY BELIEVED IT SHOULD BE PRACTICED. EVERY PERSON THAT WALKS THROUGH THAT DOOR IS A NEIGHBOR, NOT A CHART NUMBER.

THAT PHILOSOPHY STILL GUIDES THEM TODAY. THAT'S, GARNERED THEIR GROWTH. AND SO, LIKE I SAID, 17 LOCATIONS ACROSS NORTH TEXAS. THEY'RE HEADQUARTERED IN FORT WORTH, AND THE ORGANIZATION'S GROUNDED IN FAITH, AND THAT'S NOT JUST LIKE A SLOGAN ON THE WALL.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I SEE WORKING WITH THEM AND THEIR TEAM, AS I WORK AS AN ARCHITECT IN, IN MY ROLE. IT'S REFLECTED IN THE WAY THAT THEY, TREAT PATIENT CARE, THE WAY THEY COMMUNICATE WITH PATIENTS, THE WAY THEY CARE FOR PATIENTS, AND JUST EMPHASIZE SEEING PATIENTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'VE BEEN IN THEIR FACILITIES, AND I SEE THAT WITH THEIR STAFF WHILE I'M, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT A WATER HEATER. AND SO, AND THEY'RE, THEY HAVE MORE THAN 15,000 5-STAR REVIEWS, SO, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEIR PATIENTS ARE SAYING OUT IN PUBLIC

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ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. AND SO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOWS THEIR PATIENTS RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE HERE.

THIS IS A GOOD PROVIDER TO HAVE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND ANOTHER PART THAT I THINK IS RELEVANT FOR THEM IS, IS JUST THEIR INVOLVEMENT. YOU KNOW, IF THEY COME TO FLOWER MOUND, THEIR INVOLVEMENT DOESN'T STOP AT THIS MEDICAL FACILITY. 2 YEARS AGO, THEY STARTED TOTAL CARE FOUNDATION, AND SO, THAT'S THEIR OWN NONPROFIT, BUT THEY ALSO PARTNER WITH LOCAL NONPROFITS IN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE IN. AND SO, LAST YEAR THERE WAS OVER 50 NONPROFITS THEY PARTNERED WITH, AS WELL AS LOCAL COMMUNITY EVENTS. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT IN THE, THE CONTEXT OF REQUEST OF JUST, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE YOU WELCOMING TO TOWN? THIS IS NOT JUST ANOTHER BUSINESS WITH A SIGN OUT FRONT. THIS IS A PARTNER THAT YOU'LL HAVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. AND THEIR COMMITMENT TO FLOWER MOUND IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TREAT FLOWER MOUND LIKE EVERY OTHER, COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE IN.

THERE'S NO REASON, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE PARTNERED WITH ALL THOSE COMMUNITIES, THEY'VE PARTNERED WITH THOSE CHARITIES BECAUSE THEY'RE COMMITTED TO THOSE VALUES AND, AND BEING A PART OF THE. THIS IS A LOOK AT JUST 2026 CALENDAR YEAR CHARITIES AND NONPROFITS THAT THEY JOINED. I KNOW ONE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, HAS SHOWN UP TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF, AND SO, I HIGHLIGHTED A COUPLE THAT HAVE FLOWER MOUND CONNECTIONS THERE.

THAT'S 2026, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AS WELL, ISDS, POLICE, FIRE DEPARTMENTS. WHEN SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY SAYS, WE HAVE A NEED, WILL YOU PARTNER WITH US? THEY SAY, AND SO, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHO YOU WOULD BE SAYING YES TO, AND WELCOME TO YOUR TOWN, WITH THIS SUP. ONCE AGAIN, 5-STAR REVIEWS, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SAYING THAT THIS IS A, AN ORGANIZATION WORTH GOING TO, AN ORGANIZATION THAT CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WALK THROUGH THEIR DOOR. SU, JUMPING INTO THE SUP SPECIFICALLY, THE P AND Z DISCUSSION, SO, NOISE IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG CONCERN WITH, WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. THERE WERE, I KNOW, SOME WRITE IN FROM A LOCAL HOA AS WELL THAT CAME IN PRIOR TO THIS, SEPARATE FROM THE P&Z. WE HAD ONE CITIZEN COMMENT BEFORE P&Z ASKING ABOUT LIGHTING AND NOISE. SO, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT IN P&Z, BUT TO KIND OF EMPHASIZE IT AND CONTINUE, NO AMBULANCE DROP OFF IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS FACILITY. THAT'S NOT THE WAY THEY OPERATE. THERE'S AN AMBULANCE, PICKUP SPOT ON THE REAR BECAUSE THAT IS FOR TRANSFER WHEN THAT IS NEEDED.

AND SO, IT'S NOT A LIGHTS AND SIRENS, AMBULANCES ARE NOT SHOWING UP HERE. AND SO, IF A PATIENT NEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO A HOSPITAL, PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A FACILITY THAT DOES CARE FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS. AND SO, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED, YOU'D BE TRANSFERRED. IF YOU COME IN WITH SOMETHING, THEY'LL STABILIZE.

YOU, BUT THEY MAY NEED TO TRANSFER YOU. AND SO, THE AMBULANCE, PICKUP SPOT IS THERE FOR THAT REASON. THOSE ARE PATIENTS THAT ARE STABILIZED BEFORE TRANSFER. THIS IS NOT, AGAIN, A LIGHTS AND SIRENS, KIND OF CONDITION FOR THIS.

AND SO, THAT'S THE NOISE FROM THAT IS NOT BEING BROUGHT INTO THIS LOCATION AND NEXT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. ANOTHER PART OF THAT IS TRAFFIC, AND I'LL GET INTO TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GO HERE, BUT, THE, I THINK ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT WITH THIS IS IT'S NOT TOTAL CARE, OR IT'S NOT AN ER IN THIS LOCATION OR NOTHING.

THERE'S A RETAIL BUILDING HERE TODAY, AND WE'RE HOPING TO BE ONE OF THE TENANTS. AND SO, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE METRIC TO THINK ABOUT FROM HOW DOES IT, HOW MIGHT IT IMPACT NEIGHBORS? IF IT'S NOT THIS ER USE HERE, THEN IT'S A RESTAURANT OR RETAIL OR, GYM OR, YOU KNOW, ANY USE THAT'S ALLOWED IN THIS R2 ZONING WITHOUT HAVING TO COME AND, DISCUSS THAT USE. AND SO, TRAFFIC COUNT COMPARED TO ANY OF THOSE OTHER USES IS VERY LOW. I'LL GET TO ACTUAL NUMBERS HERE IN A BIT, AND JUST TO GIVE A, AN ACTUAL METRIC ACROSS ALL THEIR LOCATIONS, THEY AVERAGE 7 AMBULANCES PER FACILITY ON THIS CALENDAR YEAR.

AT P&Z, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBERS FOR LAST YEAR. I HAD THEM PULL THE NUMBERS FROM THIS YEAR. IT'S VERY COMPARABLE, IF WE EXTRAPOLATE THAT TO THE FULL CALENDAR YEAR, IT'LL MATCH WHAT THEY HAD LAST YEAR. AND SO, IN 9 MONTHS OF OPERATION AT EACH FACILITY THIS CALENDAR YEAR, 7 AMBULANCES, SO, LESS THAN 1 AMBULANCE PER MONTH IS IT SHOWING UP. AGAIN, NOT LIGHTS AND SIRENS, BUT LESS THAN 1.

AND SO, NOISE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THE HOA ASKED, IN THEIR WRITE IN WAS HVAC EQUIPMENT WITH NOISE. THAT, WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER FACILITY THAT GOES HERE. WE DON'T HAVE SPECIALTY HVAC EQUIPMENT THAT IS, THAT IS LOUDER THAN ANOTHER FACILITY THAT WOULD BE HERE. WE DO HAVE AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR, SO, PART OF THE STATEWIDE REQUIREMENT OF HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE BACKUP POWER. IF YOU LOSE POWER, YOU HAVE A PATIENT ON OXYGEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE NEED TO HAVE BACKUP POWER AVAILABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE PATIENTS AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT A MEDICAL CONDITION CREATED BY THE POWER LOSS. WE HOPE THAT THAT GENERATOR NEVER RUNS, BECAUSE THAT MEANS POWER'S OUT.

BUT IT'S THERE IN EMERGENCIES. IT IS INSIDE AN METAL ENCLOSURE, AND THEN IT IS INSIDE A MASONRY ENCLOSURE THERE. AND AS WE, AGAIN, WE WANT TO COMPLY WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THERE'S NO VARIANCE BEING

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REQUESTED THERE. WE CAN SUBMIT ALL THE DATA TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO SHOW THAT WE'RE, OUR PROPOSED EQUIPMENT IS MEETING THE DECIBEL LEVELS OF THE TOWN. AND SO, I THINK THE GENERATOR, SHOULD NOT BE A CONCERN FROM A SOUND PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.

LIGHTS WERE ANOTHER ONE DISCUSSED. THE FACILITY IS, EXISTING. THE SITE LIGHTING IS EXISTING. THAT'S BEEN THROUGH REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THE ONLY ITEM THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY ADD TO ANY EXTERIOR LIGHTING WOULD BE UNDER THOSE CANOPIES, SINCE WE'RE NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIGHT POLES, WE'RE ADDING CANOPY, WE MIGHT BE BLOCKING THE LIGHT, AND SO, WE MAY ADD LIGHTS UNDER THE CANOPIES JUST FOR THE RIGHT LIGHT LEVEL AND PATIENT SAFETY. BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT CROSSES OVER THE PROPERTY LINE. IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT VIOLATES THE LIGHT ORDINANCE OF THE CITY. AND WE WOULD, OF COURSE, HAVE TO PROVE THAT IN OUR BUILDING PERMIT. SO, THOSE WERE THE, THE TWO THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN A COMMENT BEFORE P&Z. WE DID GET A RESPONSE FROM P&Z THAT THEY THOUGHT WE ADDRESSED THOSE AND HAD KIND OF CLOSED THAT COMMENT. THE, I THINK THERE WAS, LOADING DOCK ACTIVITY WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THE HOA QUESTIONS ABOUT SOUND, AND WE WILL NOT HAVE A LOADING DOCK. IF YOU COMPARE OUR USE TO A RESTAURANT OR RETAIL USE, THERE'S NO SEMIS THAT COME HERE, THERE'S NO MAJOR TRUCK OFFLOADING. WE WILL HAVE MEDICAL SUPPLIES, WE TALKED ABOUT AMBULANCES ALREADY, BUT FROM A LOADING DOCK ACTIVITY THAT IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY EXIST. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SHIPPING AND RECEIVING, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF NOISE FROM THAT. THE NEXT KIND OF MAJOR DISCUSSION WITH P&Z WAS KIND OF, IS THIS NEEDED HERE? AND THERE WAS TALK ABOUT OTHER OPERATORS IN THE AREA, URGENT CARES, HOSPITALS, ARE THERE ENOUGH PROVIDERS TO MEET THE NEEDS? DOES THE LOCAL HOSPITAL, THERE ARE OTHER ERS OUTSIDE OF TOWN, BUT THEY'RE CLOSE.

ARE THOSE GOOD ENOUGH? AND SO, THOSE WERE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT, THAT WE WANT TO ANSWER HERE AS WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH DOES THIS SERVE THE COMMUNITY? IT, AN ER WHEN YOU NEED IT IS LIFESAVING AS JUST A BASELINE. AND SO, WHEN YOU NEED IT, YES, THIS SERVES THE COMMUNITY.

YES, YOU'RE 100% GLAD THAT IT IS HERE IF IT'S YOU, IF IT'S YOUR FAMILY MEMBER, AND WITH TOTAL CARE'S RECORD OF SERVING THEIR COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, THE CHARITIES, LIKE THIS IS, THIS IS A PARTNER THAT IS GOOD FOR EVERY CITY THEY GO INTO.

SO, FLOWER MOUND HAS ONE HOSPITAL THAT HAS THE 24-HOUR ER SERVICE. NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES HAVE ERS AS WELL.

URGENT CARE EXISTS IN FLOWER MOUND. THERE'S A LOT OF OPERATORS THERE. THAT'S 8 A.M. TO 8 P.M. IT DOESN'T OFFER THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT AN EMERGENCY ROOM DOES. YOU WOULD DON'T GO TO THIS URGENT CARE FOR THE SAME REASONS YOU WOULD GO TO AN ER. AND SO, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE'S AN AREA THAT NEEDS THIS TYPE OF FACILITY, WE DON'T FACTOR URGENT CARES INTO THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MEDICAL SERVICE THAT YOU'RE GOING FOR AND OFFERING. AND SO, ANOTHER OPTION FOR CITIZENS, QUICKER RESPONSE TIME WHEN SECONDS MATTER IN AN EMERGENCY, AND JUST CUSTOMER SERVICE ORIENTED, THAT'S BACKED UP BY THE 15,000 REVIEWS. AND SO, RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO GET CHOICE, IMPROVED WAIT TIMES, PATIENT CARE FOCUSED, ALL OF THAT. THIS IS, I WON'T READ THROUGH ALL THIS. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF BREAKDOWN OF ER VERSUS URGENT CARE, AND, THIS REALLY, IT SUPPORTS YOUR HOSPITAL RATHER THAN FIGHTS AGAINST IT. IF THE HOSPITAL ER IS FULL, THIS IS ANOTHER OPTION FOR PEOPLE IN TOWN. GENERALLY SPEAKING, URGENT CARE IS I KNOW WHAT'S WRONG AND I'M LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO HELP. ER, YOU MIGHT KNOW WHAT'S WRONG, BUT YOU MIGHT ALSO NEED A DIAGNOSIS, AND THAT'S WHERE AN ER CAN STEP IN AND HELP, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT BY A LOT OF THESE X RAY AND CT LAB WORK, ALL THAT'S DONE IN HOUSE AT AN ER. THIS IS, I'LL KIND OF SKIP TO THE SAME THING.

URGENT CARE, I KNOW WHAT'S WRONG, PROBABLY NOT LIFE THREATENING.

ER, IT COULD BE LIFE THREATENING, AND I NEED DIAGNOSTIC HELP.

AFTER OUR P&Z MEETING, I DROVE OVER TO THE HOSPITAL AS SOON AS IT ENDED LAST WEEK. THERE WERE 19 PEOPLE IN THE WAITING ROOM. THERE WERE 2 MORE WAITING OUTSIDE. THERE WERE 3 MORE WALKING IN. THE PARKING LOT WAS FULL, 63 CARS.

THAT'S SPECIFICALLY THE ER AND VISITOR PARKING LOT. VISITOR HOURS ARE 7 A.M. TO 7 P.M. AND SO, THERE COULD BE VISITORS THERE, NICU, LABOR AND DELIVERY, THERE COULD BE VISITORS THERE, BUT 63 CARS AND, 24 PEOPLE WAITING AT THAT ER. THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE HOSPITAL. WE PARTNER WITH THE HOSPITALS IN EVERY TOWN THAT WE GO TO.

THAT'S JUST, THAT'S AN OBSERVATION, AND WE THINK THAT, CITIZENS COULD WANT ANOTHER OPTION, MAYBE LESS WAIT TIME.

AND I DROVE BY ON THE WAY BEFORE COMING

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TO THIS MEETING. 17 PEOPLE IN THE WAITING ROOM, PARKING LOT PRETTY FULL, NOT AS FULL, VERY SIMILAR. AND I KNOW IF IT'S MY EMERGENCY, IF IT'S MY SON'S EMERGENCY, I DON'T WANT TO BE SITTING IN THAT WAITING ROOM. I WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE THAT, THAT I GET CURED RIGHT AWAY.

ANOTHER, AS FAR AS SUPPORTING THE HOSPITAL, THEY HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH LOCAL HOSPITALS. THEY WOULD HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THIS HOSPITAL. THEY DO TRANSFERS TO THE HOSPITAL, BUT IT ALLOWS SOMEBODY TO COME IN, BE INTAKE AND BE SEEN, BE STABILIZED, BE DIAGNOSED BEFORE A TRANSFER THAT IS STABLE. THERE'S A BED WAITING FOR THEM.

FOR A COMPARATIVE OF, OF WHAT A FREESTANDING ER LOOKS LIKE TO A STANDARD, EMERGENCY ROOM, TOTAL CARE, YOU SEE A NURSE WITHIN 7 MINUTES. THAT'S ON AVERAGE ACROSS ALL THE FACILITIES.

THE DATA POINT WE HAVE IS WHEN THE DOCTOR IS WRITING NOTES. SO, 26 MINUTES, THE DOCTOR HAS ALREADY SEEN YOU AND IS BACK OUT OF THE ROOM DICTATING. TEXAS HEALTH HAD A STATISTIC ONLINE, 38 MINUTES FROM PATIENT TO PROVIDER, AND SO, WE ARE, IT'S AN IMPROVED TIME OVER THE LOCAL OPTION. AND AGAIN, NOT A, THE HOSPITAL IS A GREAT RESOURCE, AND WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH THEM.

BUT YOU CAN SEE TOTAL TIME IN FACILITY AS WELL, 96 MINUTES VERSUS 145 MINUTES IS THE TEXAS AVERAGE. AND SO, IT JUST GIVES ANOTHER OPTION FOR RESIDENTS.

IN THOSE EMERGENCIES, THE REASON OPTIONS MATTER, THE REASON MINUTES MATTER, IS THERE'S SO, MANY EVENTS THAT LITERALLY A MINUTE HAS A STATISTICAL DIFFERENCE IN, YOUR MEDICAL OUTCOME. AND SO, THAT'S WHAT SEVERAL OF THESE ARE. YOU CAN SEE THE BOLD WORDS WHERE IT SAYS MINUTE. SO, MANY OF THESE, THERE'S A STATISTICAL METRIC THAT IS WORSE FOR YOUR OUTCOME IF YOU ARE NOT SEEN IMMEDIATELY. AND THAT'S AN OPTION WITH, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PROVIDERS, MORE FACILITIES, WHAT'S CLOSER, WHAT AM I DRIVING PAST ON MY WAY? AND SO, A, AN EXAMPLE FOR CARDIAC PATIENTS WHERE THE MINUTES REALLY DO MATTER. NATIONAL METRIC, THE GOAL IS 10 MINUTES, YOU'VE GOT AN EKG. TOTAL CARE'S TIME IS 3 MINUTES AND 17 SECONDS. AND SO, IT'S A STATISTIC THEY TRACK BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THEY MEET THIS NATIONAL METRIC, BUT NOT ONLY THEY MEET IT, THEY FAR EXCEED IT, AND THOSE 7 MINUTES CAN MEAN A LOT. THE LOCATION IMPACT, TRAFFIC, 24-HOUR OPERATION, THE, PATIENT COUNT IS, IS LOW, SO, THEREFORE THE TRAFFIC IS LOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN COMPARED TO WHAT AN ALTERNATE USE MIGHT BE HERE. LESS TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE LESS NOISE. OVERNIGHT PATIENT TRAFFIC IS LIMITED.

SAME THING, IT'S THE OVERALL TRAFFIC COUNT IS LESS.

AMBULANCE TRANSFERS, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. LIGHTING AND NOISE, WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY. AND SO, FROM AN IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEIGHBORS, WE BELIEVE ALL THAT'S MINIMAL BASED ON, THE COMPARATIVE, BUT ALSO JUST THE REALITY OF, OF WHAT WE DO AND, AND WHAT OUR TYPE OF OPERATION IS. THERE'S ONE THING P&Z SAID WAS KIND OF WAS MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER LOCATION IN TOWN, LIKE, IS THIS THE RIGHT LOCATION? YOU ALWAYS WANT TO BE ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. BEING ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PROVIDES EASIER ACCESS FOR ANYBODY TRYING TO GET HERE, ESPECIALLY IN AN EMERGENCY. AND SO, CROSS TIMBERS, MULTIPLE LEFT TURN LANES, MULTIPLE POINTS OF ACCESS AS YOU LOOP THROUGH ARROWHEAD AND FIRESIDE. IT'S REALLY EASY ACCESS IN THAT EVENT OF EMERGENCY. AND SO, WITH, WHAT IS THAT TRAFFIC? WHAT IS THAT IMPACT? 7 TO 10 PATIENTS PER DAY, 3 TO 4 OF THOSE ARE OVERNIGHT. STAFF IS THERE 7 TO 7, SO, YOU DON'T HAVE STAFF COMING AND GOING OVERNIGHT.

SO, FROM, THAT 7 TO 7 WINDOW THAT MIGHT OVERNIGHT IMPACT NEIGHBORS, YOUR 3 TO 4 PATIENTS OVERNIGHT IS THE TRAFFIC COUNT.

AT THIS LOCATION, OUT OF AN R2 ZONING, YOU COULD HAVE A RESTAURANT.

THAT RESTAURANT DOESN'T HAVE RESTRICTED HOURS. THERE'S LATE NIGHT RESTAURANTS IN TOWN, THERE'S EARLY MORNING RESTAURANTS IN TOWN. EVEN IF IT'S NOT A 24/7 RESTAURANT, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESTAURANT AND OUR USE MIGHT BUY YOU A LITTLE BIT OF OVERNIGHT WINDOW, BUT A RESTAURANT'S GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC THAN WE DO IN AN OVERNIGHT SETTING. YOU KNOW, AUTO PARTS BAKERY, HEALTH CLUB COULD BE A 24/7 FACILITY WITHOUT, COUNCIL APPROVAL. A LAUNDROMAT COULD BE 24/7 WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL. AND SO, THERE'S, THERE'S THE ABILITY FOR THIS SITE TO HAVE OVERNIGHT USE, WHETHER THIS SUP IS APPROVED OR, OR DENIED.

BUT WE THINK OUR IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE IMPACT IS, IS VERY LOW. JUST THE TRAFFIC COUNT'S LOW, THE NOISE, WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THAT. AND SO, WE THINK THE IMPACT IS LOW.

THE, THE FLIP SIDE BENEFIT OF HAVING A HEALTHCARE OPTION IS

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HIGH. AS A, A METRIC, THERE'S 31,000 PLUS VEHICLES THAT GO DOWN CROSS TIMBERS EVERY DAY.

THE 3 TO 4 THAT MIGHT TURN IN HERE OVERNIGHT, IS, IS NOT EVEN GOING TO BE NOTICEABLE TO THE RESIDENTS, I BELIEVE. SUP PERMANENCE WAS, WAS KIND OF A STICKING POINT THAT SEEMED TO KIND OF TURN SOME OF THE P&Z DISCUSSION, JUST THE KIND OF THE UNKNOWN OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. WHAT IF WE'RE NOT THERE? WHAT IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN? I KNOW LEXI SPOKE ON THAT SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, WE SAY NO AMBULANCE DROP.

WELL, THE TOWN HAS AGREED THAT THAT'S NOT EVEN AN OPTION AT THIS. YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT'S NOT GOING TO BRING PEOPLE HERE AS A DROP OFF. AND SO, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT CLARIFIES SOME OF THAT. THE OTHER POINT THAT, MR. RUSSELL CAME UP AND SPOKE ABOUT LAST TIME WAS THAT AN SUP, IF WE'RE GETTING NOISE COMPLAINTS, IF WE'RE A NUISANCE TO THE TOWN, THOSE COMPLAINTS CAN COME BACK TO YOU. AND SO, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVOKE THE SUP IF WE ARE A NUISANCE TENANT. AND SO, I THINK THAT WAS SOME OF THE, I'M SURE YOU WATCHED P&Z. I FELT LIKE THAT WAS KIND OF A TURNING POINT IN THAT DISCUSSION OF JUST WHAT'S THE RISK HERE THE TOWN IS WILLING TO TAKE? AND I THINK THE RISK IS VERY LOW BECAUSE IF WE ARE NOT WHO WE SAY WE ARE WHEN WE'RE HERE, IF WE'RE NOT PROVIDING A PUBLIC BENEFIT, IF WE'RE VIOLATING THAT NOISE ORDINANCE AND GETTING COMPLAINTS, COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME, THEN YEAH, YOUR, YOUR ORDINANCE ALREADY GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO RE REVIEW, WHAT YOU'VE ALLOWED US TO DO. AND SO, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, BUT KIND OF THERE'S KIND OF SUMMARY BULLET POINTS, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE'RE, ADDING SERVICES AND OPTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR VARIANCES. WE WANT TO COMPLY WITH, WITH EVERYTHING THE TOWN REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, NO NOISE, NO AMBULANCE DROP OFF, JUST ADDING AN OPTION FOR THE TOWN. AND I'D LOVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, AND I'D LOVE TO, IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION THAT I HAVEN'T ANSWERED, ANY, CITIZEN COMMENTS THAT I HAVEN'T ANSWERED, I WOULD LOVE TO ADDRESS THOSE.

I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE YOU COVERED EVERYTHING THAT I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY ASK. WE HAD A LOT OF SUPPORT EMAILS ON THIS.

THE, WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY GET OPPOSITION FROM A PARTICULAR HOA. RUSTIC TIMBERS HOA CONTACTED US.

THERE WASN'T NOT OPPOSITION, THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE LOOKING FOR YOU. YOU RECOGNIZE THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED ALL OF THOSE, THE TRAFFIC, THE NOISE, CONCERNS, AND, YOU KNOW, 24 HOURS SERVICE. I DO KNOW I HAVE A FRIEND THAT I HAD TO TAKE, TO AN URGENT CARE, AND NOTHING WAS OPEN. SO, I HAD TO TAKE HIM ACTUALLY TO THE PRESBY, WHICH IS GREAT. PRESBY IS GREAT. HOWEVER, HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A PARTICULAR SEVERE EMERGENCY. IT COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED IN A SMALLER EMERGENCY SITUATION, SO, WE HAD TO WAIT FOR QUITE A WHILE. BUT, IT'S NICE THAT IT'S A 24-HOUR SERVICE, AND IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE TRAFFIC OF AMBULANCES, SO, I LIKE THAT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE I DO PUBLIC COMMENT? ONE QUESTION.

QUESTIONS.

WHAT OUTREACH DID YOU DO TO THE NEARBY HOA THAT WROTE IN, TO THE RESIDENT TO THE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST THAT WROTE IN, AND TO THE RESIDENTS TO THE SOUTHWEST? WHAT OUTREACH DID YOU DO TO THEM? I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OUTREACH THAT WE DID TO THEM.

I GUESS I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT I SAW YOUR STATISTIC, AND IT WAS SMART, WHAT YOU DID, COMPARING THE, THE NUMBER OF PATIENTS THAT YOU HAD VERSUS WHAT WOULD BE AT A HOSPITAL.

SO, YOU HAD ACTUAL DATA FROM THE HOSPITAL. HOW DID YOU DETERMINE YOUR ESTIMATED NUMBER OF PATIENTS? CHIME IN IF YOU NEED TO, BUT, TOTAL, I, I SAID AN INCORRECT NUMBER LAST WEEK, SO, TOTAL CARE HAS 12 ERS IN OPERATION. THE 12TH ONE CAME ONLINE THIS YEAR. THERE WAS 11 UP UNTIL MARCH. AND SO, IT'S TAKING, ALL 12 OF THOSE FACILITIES AND TAKING THE PATIENT LOAD AND DIVIDING IT OUT. SO, IT IS, IT'S A REAL-WORLD METRIC OF WHAT OUR LOADING IS ON AVERAGE ACROSS OUR FACILITIES. THERE'S HIGHS AND LOWS IN SEASONS, BUT THOSE ARE WITHIN THAT AVERAGED OUT NUMBER. WHEN YOU HIT FLU SEASON, THERE'S MORE PATIENTS COMING IN THE DOOR. ALSO, A GREAT REASON TO COME HERE INSTEAD OF THE ER IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO SEE SOMEBODY, BUT YOU MAY NOT NEED TO BE AT THE HOSPITAL. BUT IT, IT FITS WITHIN THAT RANGE, AND THAT'S BASED ON, YOU KNOW, USING ARE THESE SMALLER COMMUNITIES? NO.

THESE ARE LOCATED IN? FORT WORTH, FRISCO, DENTON, DOWN TO MANSFIELD, WE'RE KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE IN WEATHERFORD. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL METRICS THAT ARE INTERNAL METRICS. WE HAVE TO TRACK THESE ALL THROUGH THE STATE. THESE ARE ALL REPORTABLE, REPORTABLE METRICS THROUGH A QUALITY ASSURANCE PROGRAM. SS CAMERON MENTIONED, WE ARE LICENSED WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS. THIS IS THE SAME H HHC BODY THAT LICENSED

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HOSPITALS. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LICENSE THAN A HOSPITAL LICENSE, BUT THESE ARE ALL BASICALLY DATA THAT WE HAVE TO UTILIZE IN OUR QUALITY ASSURANCE PROGRAM FOR THE STATE. SO, THESE ARE ALL REAL-WORLD NUMBERS. YES, MA'AM.

I ALMOST FEEL LIKE IT'S ALMOST A MISNOMER BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN ER, IT'S CALLED AN ER, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL. I THINK PEOPLE ARE IMAGINING AN ER WHERE AMBULANCES ARE COMING YES, MA'AM.

THROUGH THERE, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY THAT. IT'S WELL, IT'S, AND LET ME, IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST SAYING, AND I'M AN ER NURSE OF 20 YEARS, YEAH.

WHO SPENT THE FIRST HALF OF MY CAREER WORKING IN SOME OF THE MOST REMOTE, REMOTE RURAL ERS TO THE BIGGEST LEVEL 1 TRAUMAS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PAIN POINTS, ESPECIALLY AS AN ER NURSE, IS THAT BACKUP OF TRAFFIC, THAT BACKUP OF THE EMS SYSTEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY EMS HERE TONIGHT, BUT YOU KNOW HOW IT IS WHEN THE ER TELLS YOU TO PARK IN THE CORNER AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT AN HOUR JUST TO GET A BED WITHIN THE ER.

SO, I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF OURS. WE DO FUNCTION FULLY. WE ARE A FULLY LICENSED EMERGENCY CENTER, SAME REGULATIONS AS A HOSPITAL ER, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE HOSPITAL REGS BEHIND IT AND THAT IS ONE OF THE, I THINK, BIG BENEFITS OF, AND THIS IS WHERE I KIND OF FELL IN LOVE WITH NURSING ALL OVER AGAIN WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE HOSPITAL AND CAME INTO THE FREESTANDING WORLD, IS YOU DO HAVE TIME WITH YOUR PATIENTS, AND YOUR PATIENTS AREN'T SITTING IN WAITING ROOMS FOR HOURS. YOUR EMS, YOU DON'T TIE UP THE EMS SYSTEM, YOU, YOU ACTUALLY UNBURDEN A LOT OF THE HOSPITAL ER AS WELL AND GIVE YOUR PATIENTS FASTER ACCESS TO THAT SAME CARE. AND AS CAMERON MEANT, MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE TRANSFER AGREEMENTS, WITH, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MASTER TRANSFER AGREEMENT WITH MEDICAL CITY. ANY LOCATION WE GO INTO, WE PARTNER WITH THEM, AND IT'S A DIRECT ADMIT FOR PATIENTS THAT DO NEED TO BE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS. SO, IT'S A QUICK ADMISSION PROCESS, THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THAT PARTNERSHIP AS WELL.

SO WHY WOULD THAT BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH LEWISVILLE INSTEAD OF FLOWER MOUND WITH OUR PRESBY? YOU SAID MEDICAL CITY.

I'M SORRY. WE HAVE PRESBY AS WELL. I HAVE, WE HAVE TRANSFER AGREEMENTS WITH BAYLOR, PRESBY, AND WITH MEDICAL CITY.

THROUGH, WE HAVE THROUGH EVERYBODY.

YEAH, BECAUSE I WOULD WANT, I WOULD WANT YES, AND OUR PREFERENCE IS TO GET THEM TO THE, THE MOST LOCAL. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, CAMERON.

AND WITH THAT, THEY, THEY DON'T TRANSFER TO THE WAITING ROOM OVER THERE. THEY YES.

TRANSFER DIRECTLY IN.

IT'S NOT A TWO STEP PROCESS YES.

THROUGH ADMISSION.

YES, MA'AM.

BECAUSE YOU CAME HERE FIRST.

YES. WE GO DIRECT TO INPATIENT BEDS. YOU SKIP THE ER, BOARDING ALTOGETHER AT THE HOSPITAL.

AND SO, IF THEY SAY WE NEED A MINUTE, WELL, THEY STAY HERE FOR THAT MINUTE INSTEAD OF GO OVER THERE.

WE PREFER TO HOLD THEM WITH US WAITING FOR A ROOM.

THERE'S, I'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RECEIVING WHERE YOU'RE CHARGED AT A HOSPITAL ER AND YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM, AND YOU GET TOLD BY MY HOUSE SUPERVISOR, HEY, YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE ANOTHER PATIENT TO SIT IN YOUR ER. SO, WE WOULD RATHER HOLD THEM, PROVIDE GOOD CARE FOR THEM WITH US UNTIL THEY GET THAT BED AT, AT THE HOSPITAL.

SO, YOU WOULD NEED TO TRANSFER ANYBODY THAT NEEDED SURGERY OR YES, MA'AM.

EMERGENT RADIOLOGICAL TREATMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YES. WE HAVE FULL CT, X RAY, ULTRASOUND, AND LAB 24/7. WE'RE STAFFED WITH, EM BOARDED PHYSICIANS 24/7 AS WELL. WE CAN KEEP PATIENTS UP TO 24 HOURS IN THE IN THE ER, BUT ANYTHING THAT NEEDS A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE, YES, MA'AM, LIKE AN ICU SO CATH LAB, SURGERY.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

CATH LAB, YES, MA'AM, YES. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A GREAT I LIKE TO PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK.

WE HAVE A GREAT STATISTIC THERE. WE HAD A YOUNG LADY, ABOUT A YEAR AGO. SHE WAS, I THINK SHE WAS IN HER 20S.

SHE WAS, CAME IN FOR AN APPENDECTOMY, SCANNED HER. WE DID A FULL CAT SCAN, SCANNED HER, AND HAD HER OUT THE DOOR TO THE HOSPITAL. I THINK IT WAS WITHIN LIKE 55 MINUTES, AND THAT IS THE BEAUTIFUL PART OF OUR SMALLER FOOTPRINT, BUT THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICES. WE CAN GET THOSE DIAGNOSED QUICKLY AND GET THEM TO THE HOSPITAL, SURGICAL.

THEY'D PROBABLY STILL BE SITTING IN A WAITING ROOM IN A BIG HOSPITAL ER WAITING TO EVEN BE SEEN, WHERE WE'VE ALREADY GOT THEM READY TO GO TO SURGERY WITHIN AN HOUR OF WALKING THROUGH OUR DOOR.

THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S THE BEAUTIFUL PART OF THIS MODEL.

I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU.

THE, AND I THINK THE, TEXAS AVERAGE OF 145 MINUTES CAN BE SKEWED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF OUR LARGE TRAUMA CENTERS.

SO, I THINK THAT CAN BE A LITTLE MISLEADING, AND YES, IN A LARGE TRAUMA HOSPITAL, YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT.

YES, MA'AM.

NOT SURE THAT THE WAIT, I THINK YOU SHOWED 38 MINUTES FOR PRESBY, SO, IT'S A LITTLE LESS.

AND ON, LABS SPECIFICALLY, LIKE I HAD THIS CASE STUDY THAT I DIDN'T FULLY READ, BUT JANINE ADDED TO THAT OF JUST THE, YOU MIGHT NEED TO GO THERE, BUT YOU CAN DO KIND OF EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT POINT HERE. AND SO, THE LABS, THE DIAGNOSIS, THE IMAGING CAN ALL BE DONE, HERE, AND SOME OF THE STORIES OF THAT AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH, IF YOU'RE NOT PRESENTING CLASSIC SYMPTOMS, HOW DO YOU GET TRIAGED IN A WAITING ROOM THAT'S FULL OF PEOPLE? AND FOR FEMALES, IT'S MORE COMMON THAT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THE CLASSIC SYMPTOMS FOR A CARDIAC EVENT, AND SO, HOW YOU GET TRIAGED MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IF YOU DON'T HAVE CLASSIC SYMPTOMS,

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WHICH IS POSSIBLE IN THOSE CARDIAC EVENTS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN UH OUR CASE WITH OUR NUMBERS, DOOR TO NURSE AVERAGE 7 MINUTES, YOU'RE SEEING A PROVIDER INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, WAITING FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.

OKAY. SO, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE HAVE, ONE COMMENT CARD FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

SAMANTHA SIMS, YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK. THANK YOU FOR WAITING.

I ALREADY USED LIKE 1.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS SAMANTHA SIMS, AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF TOTAL CARE.

CAN YOU SAY WHICH MUNICIPALITY DIDN'T.

WHICH MUNICIPALITY YOU'RE FROM? THANK YOU.

YES. SO, I AM A CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER OF A NONPROFIT CALLED GIVING GRACE. I WAS ALSO WITH ANOTHER NONPROFIT CALLED JOURNEY TO DREAM WHEN I FIRST, CAME ACROSS TOTAL CARE. AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT TOTAL CARE, I THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT WE DO AS A NOT SO, LARGE NONPROFIT, IS THE SMALL THINGS CREATE A BIGGER IMPACT. WHEN I CAME ACROSS TOTAL CARE, THEY CAME ON THE SCENE, AND THEY CAME STRAIGHT INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEN I MEAN THAT, THEY WERE SUPPORTING NONPROFITS, THEY WERE BRINGING, FOOD TO MEETINGS, THEY WERE VOLUNTEERING WITH THOSE NONPROFITS, REACHING OUT, DOING SPONSORSHIPS AND VOLUNTEERING AT THE SAME TIME. I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN A LOT OF BUSINESSES N AND SPECIFICALLY NOT, LIKE, A MEDICAL BUSINESS THAT INCORPORATE THEIR SELF INTO A COMMUNITY AS THEY DID.

AND WHEN THEY CAME, THEY WERE KINDA NEW ON THE SCENE, BUT NO MATTER WHERE I WENT, THEY WERE THERE SUPPORTING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVED ABOUT IT IS THEY ALSO CREATED OPPORTUNITIES FOR US NONPROFITS TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH OTHER BUSINESSES WHERE WE CAN GROW, AND BRING AWARENESS ABOUT OUR BUSINESS. SO, THEY WERE ALSO PROVIDING PLATFORMS ALONG WITH, THEY DID ALL OF IT. THEY PROVIDED THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT, THEY PROVIDED PLATFORMS, RESOURCES, THEY PLUG IN. I THINK, ANYWHERE THEY GO, IT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTFUL, AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT REALLY QUICK. WHEN THEY GET IN, THEY GET IN. AND SO, I LOVE 'EM. I LOVE WHAT THEY STAND FOR. I LOVE SOME OF THE STAFF MEMBERS. I PERSONALLY KNOW 'EM.

SOME OF 'EM ARE MY FRIENDS, BUT IT GREW OUT OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF SUPPORT. WHEN I REACH OUT, THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WHERE DO YOU NEED TO SUPPORT THE MOST? AND THAT'S WHERE THEY DIVE IN.

SO, I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR FORLAUER MOUND TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, TOTAL CARE AND THE RESOURCES AND THE IMPACT THAT THEY CAN BRING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SAMANTHA. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? OKAY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

COUNCIL, DO YOU WISH TO DELIBERATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS? YEAH, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

SO, WE DID GET SOME LETTERS OF SUPPORT. THOSE WERE FOR PEOPLE THAT DO NOT LIVE, NEAR THIS FACILITY. THE, THOSE THAT LIVE NEARBY DO NOT SUPPORT THIS SUV, SUP.

BUT I THINK SOME OF MY BIG CONCERNS GO BACK TO WHEN THIS, PD WAS APPROVED IN 2021. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORS FROM IMPACT FROM THIS FACILITY, SPECIFICALLY RUSTIC TIMBERS.

THE INTENT OF THE PD WAS LOW IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORS. IN FACT, THEY'RE REMOVED SOME USES FROM THE PD TO DO THAT. AND I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THESE ARE GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND REALLY DO A LOT OF GOOD WORK IN THE FACILITY.

I'M JUST NOT SURE FOR THE EXTENDED HOURS WITH THIS PD AND THE OPPOSITION FROM THE NEARBY RESIDENTS THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT THING. P&Z DID NOT VOTE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO OVERRULE THAT.

I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. I'M COMING BACK UP.

WHEN I, WHEN I RESEARCHED YOUR ER, WHAT, WHAT PROVIDERS ARE YOU IN NETWORK WITH? WE'RE NOT IN NETWORK AS A, BUT WITH EMERGENCY BENEFITS, YOU DO BILL AS AN IN NETWORK PROVIDER. THAT'S PART OF THE, EMERGENCY BENEFITS. WE'RE NOT IN NETWORK WITH ANY SPECIFIC PROVIDERS, BUT WE BILL AS IN NETWORK.

THAT IS PART OF EMERGENCY BENEFIT BILLING.

SO, IF, IF THE INSURANCE DOESN'T PAY UP TO WHATEVER YOU GUYS' CHARGE, YOU DON'T GO BACK? WE DON'T DO ANY BALANCE BILLING, NO SIR. WE ONLY ACCEPT WHAT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES OKAY.

GIVE US. YES, SIR.

DOES A REGULAR ER DO THAT? MOST OF THEM WILL STILL PURSUE, MOST HOSPITAL ERS WILL STILL PURSUE PATIENT BALANCE AS FAR AS WHAT THE INSURANCE DOESN'T COVER, BUT THERE ARE REGULATIONS SURROUNDING BALANCE BILLING THAT'S GOTTEN A LOT BETTER FOR

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PATIENTS AND THAT CONSUMER PROTECTION IN THE LAST 5 YEARS.

BUT WE ARE NOT AS AGGRESSIVE.

WE DON'T SEND ANYBODY TO COLLECTIONS. WE DON'T DO ANY AGGRESSIVE BILLING, ANY AGGRESSIVE COLLECTION BILLING.

IF YOU COME IN AND YOU'RE UNINSURED, WE SEE YOU NO MATTER WHAT. WE EVEN HAVE VERY, VERY LOW, PAYMENT PLANS IF YOU DO. SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE YOU YOU'RE SEEN, YOU'RE UNINSURED, WE SEE YOU NO MATTER WHAT, WE BUT WE HAVE PAYMENT PLANS, VERY LOW RATES ON PAYMENT PLANS. ACTUALLY, THEY'RE URGENT CARE PRICING, ESSENTIALLY, BECAUSE WE DON'T EVER WANT COST TO BE THE BARRIER TO HEALTHCARE, AND WE KNOW WE'RE SMALLER ACTORS THAN THE BIG HOSPITAL SYSTEMS, SO, WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO EVER BE ACCUSED OF GOING AFTER AGGRESSIVE, COLLECTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS WELL.

CLAIRE, WAS THAT RUSTIC TIMBERS? WHICH NEIGHBORHOOD WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WELL, WE HAD THE, THE LETTER WITH THE QUESTIONS FROM RUSTIC TIMBERS, BUT THE NEIGHBORS THAT WROTE, WROTE THE LETTERS IN OPPOSITION LIVE IN THAT VICINITY, AND THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT DO NOT LIVE, THEY LIVE ALL WEST OF SHILOH.

OKAY. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE HOA, RUSTIC TIMBERS.

THEY WERE NOT, YEAH, NOT NECESSARILY INDIVIDUAL IN OPPOSITION, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND NOISE WAS UNDER CONTROL.

ANYTHING? OKAY, SO, YEAH, I LOVE YOUR BUSINESS, LOVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. IT SEEMS LIKE, REALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IN THE AREA. THE PROBLEM, AND I'LL SAY THIS, THE SAME THING I SAY TO ANYBODY WHO REQUESTS AN SUP.

IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT REQUESTING AN SUP FROM, TO GET MY APPROVAL. THE POINT OF IT IS BECAUSE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT AS A USE THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME ADJACENCY CONCERNS, AND THAT WAY THE NEIGHBORS ALL GET NOTIFIED.

AND WHAT I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE WHO REQUEST AN SUP IS, AS LONG AS YOUR NEIGHBORS DON'T SHOW UP IN OPPOSITION, THERE'S PROBABLY NO PROBLEM.

BUT WHEN THEY DO SHOW UP OR THEY WRITE IN, THEN THERE'S A PROBLEM. AND THE EXAMPLE I GIVE IS WE HAD A, A WORKOUT, LIKE A PERSONAL TRAINING FACILITY IN AN OFFICE COMPLEX, AND THE NEXT DOOR WAS AN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND THE ATTORNEY CAME IN AND HE SAID, I CAN'T HAVE SOME GUY TRYING TO SET HIS PERSONAL RECORD NEXT DOOR SCREAMING AND HOLLERING WHILE I'M IN HERE TRYING TO MEET WITH A CLIENT. IT'S JUST A BAD FIT. SO, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THIS IS A BAD FIT. I THINK YOU'VE CONVINCED ME, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO AND CONVINCE THOSE NEIGHBORS, AND WHERE YOU'VE MISSED THE MARK IS NOT MEETING WITH RUSTIC TIMBERS, NOT MEETING WITH MR. LEACH, WHO WROTE AND WHO LIVES LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET, AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS IN HUNTERS GLEN. THAT'S WHAT'S MISSING FOR TO WIN MY APPROVAL.

I, AND YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD, YOU KNOW, HAVING A 24-HOUR SERVICE THERE, BUT, AND I THINK THE NOISE AND EVERYTHING IS GOOD. I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST CAN YOU ENGAGE IN THEM, WITH THEM, AND COME BACK? ARE YOU ALL WILLING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? RIGHT, EXACTLY. I THINK THAT THAT WAS KIND OF MY TREPIDATION, IS THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HIGH INTENSITY BECAUSE IT'S 24 HOURS. HOWEVER, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LOWER INTENSITY THAN SOME OTHER OPTIONS, BUT THE NEIGHBORS ARE STILL OPPOSED.

BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC COMMENT, WE CAN HAVE EMAILS. I MEAN, SAMANTHA, I APPRECIATE YOUR, COMING FORWARD. YOU ARE IN DENTON, SO, I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE, I AGREE. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE, MAKE SURE THAT YOU ENGAGE WITH THEM, AND IT THAT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING.

YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LEANING IF BRIAN.

IF YOU CAN.

I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, SORRY, BRIAN IS ONLINE.

BRIAN, WE DIDN'T MEAN TO FORGET YOU.

NO, NO WORRIES. NO, I APPRECIATE IT. SO, WHAT I DO APPRECIATE IS ALL THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT THE APPLICANT RECEIVED FROM PLANNING AND ZONING. THEY TOOK THAT TO HEART, AND THEY ADDRESSED IT LINE BY LINE. THE, AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCERNS THAT WE RECEIVED, THAT WERE WRITTEN INTO US AS COUNCIL, PRIMARILY THE NOISE, THE TRAFFIC, AND THE EXTENDED OPERATIONS AND THE LIGHTING.

YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THOSE HAVE BEEN SATISFACTORILY, ADDRESSED. I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.

I DO BELIEVE THIS WILL BE A BENEFIT TO THE TOWN. I THINK IT'S A GREAT BUSINESS MODEL.

YOU KNOW, TO, TO THE POINTS ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE MENTIONED ABOUT, GOING OUT BACK TO THE, THE NEIGHBORS TO, TO COORDINATE WITH THEM, THE HOA AND SOME ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE COUNCIL ON BOARD. I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER TABLING THIS, GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO DO THAT, AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THIS AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

I WAS GOING TO ASK IF WE COULD COUNTING NUMBERS HERE, I WAS GOING TO ASK IF WE COULD TABLE, ALLOW US TO GO TO THOSE NEIGHBORS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS MENTIONED, I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THE, THE MAIN CONCERNS. I THINK IF WE GET TO SPEAK WITH THEM, THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND ANOTHER USE THAT MIGHT BE HERE. AND SO, I, I UNDERSTAND THEM WRITING A CONCERN, IT'S BECAUSE AND WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.

YEAH, UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS AREN'T LISTENING AND ENGAGING IN THESE MEETINGS, SO, THEY'RE NOT HEARING WHAT THIS

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PARTICULAR ER YEAH.

IS.

AND, AND I THINK THOSE QUESTIONS EXIST UNTIL WE ANSWER THEM, AND I THINK THAT'S FAIR.

YEAH, HUNTER'S GLEN, I THINK, IS THE ONE TO THE SOUTHWEST, AND THEN RUSTIC TIMBERS TO THE EAST, AND THOSE THAT SEEM TO BE WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE EMAILS, AND WE WERE GETTING EMAILS AS RECENTLY AS SATURDAY, SO, THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY SATISFIED BY WHAT THEY HEARD AT P&Z, SO, IT'D BE GOOD TO DO THAT OUTREACH.

JUST SO, WE'RE AWARE, ARE, ARE WE ABLE TO KNOW, LIKE, HOW MANY PEOPLE WROTE IN YEAH, YOU CAN JUST FOR OR AGAINST? SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR THE EMAILS, AND THEY'RE ALL PUBLIC RECORD.

SO, I, IS THERE A MEETING DATE THAT YOU WOULD PREFER TO COME BACK TO? AS DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO THE VERY NEXT MEETING, OR WOULD YOU RATHER, JUST LET STAFF KNOW WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE READY TO COME BACK? WE CAN LET STAFF KNOW. I WOULD OKAY.

THAT'S OCTOBER.

I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THE NEXT MEETING. I WOULDN'T SEE A, YOU KNOW.

THAT'S OCTOBER 5TH.

SO THAT'S PRETTY SOON. I WOULD PUSH IT OUT.

WELL, I WOULD JUST SAY JUST NOTIFY, LEXIN WHEN YOU'RE READY, AND THEN WE'LL GET YOU ON TO A FUTURE AGENDA.

WILL DO, THANK YOU.

LEXIN, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER. LET'S SEE HERE.

OKAY, SO, WE ARE YEAH, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. ALL RIGHT, THIS IS, ITEM NUMBER 9. SO, I'LL MOVE TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER 9 UNTIL A FUTURE DATE SET BY THE APPLICANT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

DEPUTY PRO TEM TAYLOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER WERNER.

OKAY. ITEM K9 WILL BE TABLED

[Items K.1 - K.3]

AT THIS TIME. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO REGULAR ITEM K1. THIS IS ALSO A BUD WHAT HEARING FOR OUR 2026 27 BUDGET. AND MEG IS GOING TO PRESENT.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO, I DO HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION, JUST AN OVERVIEW OF, WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND THIS WILL BASICALLY COVER, I THINK, THE NEXT 4 OR 5 ITEMS FROM PRESENTATION STANDPOINT.

THEN, OF COURSE, PROCEDURALLY, WE'LL HAVE TO MOVE THROUGH ALL THE REQUIRED MOTIONS AND SO, FORTH.

YEAH, LET ME, LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT.

OKAY. SO, TONIGHT IS THE CULMINATION OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS FOR THE YEAR. SO, THIS KICKS OFF IN MARCH WITH STAFF. I DO WANT TO THANK ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, ALL OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS WHO PUT IN A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, WORKING WITH OUR BUDGET AND STRATEGY TEAM, WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, CHIEF STRATEGIC OFFICER, THE ENTIRE EXECUTIVE TEAM. YOU KNOW, THIS IS VERY MUCH A TEAM PROCESS AND APPROACH, AND SO, A LOT OF EFFORT GOES IN BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WILL NEVER BE SEEN, BUT CULMINATES IN WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU, OVER THESE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO, THIS IS GOING TO BE JUST A REFRESH OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

ITEM K1 THROUGH 3.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT CHANGED FROM THE POINT FOR WHICH WE PUT FORWARD THE BUDGET TO COUNCIL, THE REQUESTS THAT WERE MADE BY COUNCIL FOR ADJUSTMENTS AND STAFF DID IDENTIFY A FEW OTHER CORRECTIONS THAT WE WANTED TO GET IN BEFORE ADOPTION, SO, WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, AND THEN AGAIN, JUST GO THROUGH THE FINAL PROCEDURAL MOTIONS. THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT FOR BOTH THE BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE, BEFORE WE HAVE OUR ADOPTIONS.

SO, AS A REMINDER, WHEN BUDGET STAFF APPROACHES THE BUDGET, WE ARE LOOKING AT COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES AND HOW CAN WE PUT OUR RESOURCES WHERE IT WILL HELP ADVANCE, WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR OUR COMMUNITY? SO, THIS IS THE FIRST THING THAT STAFF IS CONSIDERING, PARTICULARLY AS WE LOOK AT DECISION PACKAGES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED BY OUR DEPARTMENTS TO HELP ENHANCE AND IMPROVE THEIR SERVICES. WE LOOK AT HOW THOSE FIT WITH, WITH THOSE FOCUS AREAS. SO, THIS YEAR, IT WAS PRIMARILY INFRASTRUCTURE AND FINANCIAL STABILITY. A LOT OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A SERVICE DRIVEN ORGANIZATION. THE MAJORITY OF OUR EXPENSES ARE OUR PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CARRY OUT THE SERVICES WE OFFER. AND SO, THAT FINANCIAL STABILITY AND OPERATIONAL SOUNDNESS IS VERY MUCH ENSURING THAT THE PERSONNEL THAT WE'VE ENTRUSTED TO REACH OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY ARE BEING APPROPRIATELY COMPENSATED, FOR THE EFFORTS THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR THE STAFF. AND THEN THIS YEAR, THE FOCUS WAS TRULY ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAKING SURE WE WERE HAVING THAT SHORED UP, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO CONTINUE HAVING THAT FOUNDATIONAL ASPECT, YOU KNOW, PIPES, MAKING SURE OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT OPERATING EFFICIENTLY, ALL OF THAT WAS IN PLAY. WE DO HAVE 130 MILLION

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DOLLARS IN PROPOSED CAPITAL PROJECTS, OVER 175 MILLION IN PRIOR APPROVED CAPITAL PROJECTS. IF YOU RECALL, OVER THE PAST 2 YEARS, WE HAVE CHANGED OUR BUDGETING APPROACH, SO, THAT CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE A MULTIYEAR COMMITMENT TO FINISH, YOU WILL SEE THAT BUDGET ROLL FORWARD. SO, IT DOES APPEAR AS IF WE HAVE A VERY HIGH EXPENSE BUDGET. IT JUST COMES INTO THE TIMING WITH THE DOLLARS. OUR REVENUE COMES IN AN EARLIER FISCAL YEAR, BUT IT MAY BE A 2-TO-3-YEAR PROJECT BEFORE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED, AND SO, THE EXPENSES WILL ROLL FORWARD.

WE ARE NOT SPENDING MONEY WE DON'T HAVE. IT IS MONEY THAT IS IN THE BANK AND IS INTENDED FOR THOSE PROJECTS. SO, TO TALK ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET IN THE GENERAL FUND, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHANGES. MOST OF THEM ARE VERY MINOR OR WERE DIRECTLY, SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED BY COUNCIL. WE DID DISCOVER THERE HAD BEEN AN ENTRY ERROR IN THE LIBRARY BUDGET, SO, WE'VE RESTORED THEIR MONEY TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN OPERATE FULLY, AND PROVIDE THAT EXCELLENT COMMUNITY VALUE THAT THEY GIVE TO US AND ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. THERE WAS A MINOR POSTAGE ENTRY ERROR IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE FIXED THAT THE TOWN JUDICIAL EXPENSES WAS, ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AT ABOUT 35,000 DOLLARS, PER COUNCIL DIRECTION DURING THE BUDGET WORK SESSION. AND IN GOING BACK AND SPEAKING, WITH LORI AND LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS THAT WERE REQUESTED, WE'VE REVISED THAT BACK SO, THAT THE INCREASES TO OUR JUDGES, ASSOCIATE JUDGES, WAS MORE IN LINE WITH THE SAME PERCENTAGE WITH WHICH WE WERE OFFERING TO OUR STAFF MEMBERS, AND HAVE REVISED WHAT THOSE RATES WILL BE IN LINE WITH THAT REQUEST. AND SO, THAT DROPS THE REQUEST DOWN TO 4,025 DOLLARS, A DECREASE OF ALMOST 31,000. IN THE FLIP TO THAT, WE'VE REAPPROPRIATED THOSE SAVINGS AND ADDED IT TO THE ADVANCED CANCER SCREENING, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS REQUESTED. THIS WILL ALLOW US TO START A 3-YEAR ROTATION FOR THIS MORE ADVANCED, CANCER SCREENING. AGAIN, THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WADE CANNON LAW OFFERS, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE AN EXCELLENT RESOURCE TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO ENSURE WE ARE GIVING THEM THE MOST POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO CATCH CANCERS EARLY, GIVEN THE RISK THAT THEY TAKE WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR SERVICE. SO, THAT IS IN THERE. AGAIN, THAT WILL PUT US ON A THREE-YEAR ROTATION, FOR THAT EXPANDED TESTING. AND THEN THIS ONE HAS NO BUDGETARY IMPACT, BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, SIGNS AND SIGNALS DIVISION WANTS TO RECLASS A SIGNER'S SENIOR SIGN TECHNICIAN TO A CREW LEADER.

THEY'VE OFFSET THAT MONEY WITH OPERATING COSTS FROM THEIR OWN BUDGET, SO, NO BUDGET IMPACT, BUT IT WILL BE A PERSONNEL IMPACT. MOVING ON FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND THE UTILITY FUND, THESE CHANGES ARE PURELY IN LINE WITH, WHAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE WATER AND SEWER RATES, AND BASED ON THE FINALIZATION OF THE NUMBERS FROM NEWGEN IN THE ANALYSIS, LOOKING AT WHAT OUR WHOLESALE COSTS WERE AND JUST SHORING UP THOSE NUMBERS. SO, THAT'S ALL THAT CHANGED HERE IN THE UTILITY FUND, WAS PURELY RELATED TO THE RATE DECISIONS.

IN THE STORMWATER FUND, SAME, BASED ON THE NUMBERS CONFIRMING EVERYTHING NOW THAT WE HAD A YEAR OF OPERATION WITH THE STORMWATER RATES, IT WAS JUST SHORING UP THAT REVENUE NUMBER. IN SPECIAL REVENUE AND CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS, THIS, MANY OF THESE CAME FROM CIP, AGAIN, JUST SHORING UP AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE BUDGETS APPROPRIATELY PLACED WITHIN THE FISCAL YEARS. WE ARE RESTORING SOME BUDGET FOR STREET SALES TAX. I HAD MENTIONED THAT AT THE BUDGET WORK SESSION. THIS WILL BE COMING OUT OF FUND BALANCE, BUT IT ENSURES THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR REGULAR ONGOING ROUTINE MAINTENANCE ON STREETS. 4B SALES TAX, CIP DID NOTICE THEY NEED TO DO A MINOR ADJUSTMENT, FOR THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN BUDGET, SO, THAT'S INCREASED TO 300,000. AGAIN, ALL OF THESE ARE USING APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR THESE. THESE ARE TIED TO THE CIP, SO, IT'S JUST ADJUSTING THE EXPENSE NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE CIP HAS ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

IN GENERAL CAPITAL PROJECTS, CIP HAD MISTAKENLY INCLUDED THE FUNDING FROM THE REQUESTED DECISION PACKAGE ON THEIR SIDE, SO, THIS WAS CLEANING THIS UP, BECAUSE THAT DECISION PACKAGE WAS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING AT THIS TIME.

IN THE GEO PARKS BUDGET, WE HAD SOME BUDGETS FOR TRAIL PROJECTS, JUST AGAIN MOVING THAT MONEY AROUND, AND THEN COS AND STREETS AND SIGNALS, THEY'VE HAD SAVINGS FROM PRIOR PROJECTS, IT'S GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FORWARD A PROJECT, INTO NEXT YEAR. AND SO, THOSE ARE ALL THE CHANGES.

THOSE ARE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET ORDINANCE AS THE NUMBERS WERE ARE PRESENTED TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CHANGES I'VE PRESENTED? OKAY. SO, MOVING ON JUST AGAIN

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TO THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF TONIGHT, JUST AS A REMINDER, OUR PROPOSED TAX RATE IS THE SAME TAX RATE AS WE HAD IN THE PRIOR YEAR. IT'S 0.387277 PER 100 DOLLARS OF VALUATION. WE DO HAVE THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION PERMITTED BY STATE LAW. SO, IF YOU HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ON YOUR PROPERTY, YOU WILL GET A 20% DISCOUNT. AND THEN IF YOU ARE OVER 65 OR DISABLED, YOU RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL EXEMPTION OF 150,000 DOLLARS ON YOUR VALUE. WE DO HAVE TO POST THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH THIS YEAR IS 0.370440 PER 100 DOLLARS VALUATION. GIVEN THAT OUR PROPOSED, TAX RATE EXCEEDS THAT, IT DOES REQUIRE, THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE ARE HOLDING TONIGHT.

THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE IS THE HIGHEST TAX RATE THAT THE COUNCIL CAN ADOPT WITHOUT REQUIRING, AN ELECTION. THE PROPOSED TAX RATE, WHICH IS ALSO THE MAXIMUM TAX RATE THAT COUNCIL HAS VOTED TO CONSIDER, IS UNDER THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, SO, ADOPTING THAT TAX RATE WILL NOT REQUIRE AN ELECTION FOR THIS YEAR.

JUST AS A REMINDER, FROM THE PROPERTY TAX BILL, IF YOU HAVE A HOMESTEAD, THIS IS FOLLOWING AN ACTUAL EXAMPLE PROPERTY OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OF VALUE CHANGES. SO, CURRENTLY THAT PROPERTY IS SITTING AT $440,000. BASED ON THAT TAX RATE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE TAX BILL WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY EXEMPTIONS. IF THE PROPERTY HAD A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, YOU WOULD SEE THE $341 SAVINGS THERE. AND IF THEY HAD HOMESTEAD AND WERE OVER 65, THEY WOULD SAVE $806, OFF OF THE FULL TAX RATE BILL.

SO, BREAKING THAT DOWN INTO MONTHLY, IT'S 113 DOLLARS A MONTH, OR 3 DOLLARS AND 73 CENTS A DAY. AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT DIVIDES UP. HALF OF THAT PRIMARILY IS GOING TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY SUPPORTS FOR POLICE AND FIRE, AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF IT IS SPLIT AMONGST ALL OF THE OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP THE CITY OPERATING, INCLUDING GENERAL GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING FINANCE, IT, ALL OF THAT TOGETHER, AND THE DEBT SERVICE, FOR DEBT THAT IS BACKED BY PROPERTY TAX. SO, LOOKING BACK, HERE IS OUR FINANCIAL OVERVIEW VIEW. YOU WILL NOTICE A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE HERE WITH THAT CORRECTION IN THE GENERAL FUND NUMBERS. AS A REMINDER, WE DO HAVE ONE-TIME ITEMS IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET THAT IS AT 1.3 MILLION DOLLARS. SO, OUR USE OF FUND BALANCE FOR THE GENERAL FUND THIS YEAR STILL IS BELOW THAT NUMBER, WHICH MEANS OUR ONGOING REVENUES STILL EXCEED OUR ONGOING EXPENDITURES. THE USE OF FUND BALANCE IS LIKE USING A SAVINGS ACCOUNT.

IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE. IT'S ALLOWED BY STATE LAW AND BY OUR CHARTER, IN ORDER TO STILL BE CONSIDERED A BALANCED BUDGET, FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

AND JUST AS A REMINDER, YOU PREVIOUSLY IN CONSENT APPROVED OUR CRIME CONTROL AND OUR FIRE DISTRICT BUDGETS AS YOUR ROLE AS THE BOARD FOR THOSE DISTRICTS THIS BUDGET WILL AGAIN CONTINUE, WILL APPROVE THOSE NUMBERS AS THE TOWN COUNCIL SIDE THIS YEAR, ALL THAT'S INCLUDED IN BOTH OF THOSE DISTRICTS IS PERSONNEL COSTS. WE ACTUALLY MOVED COSTS, FROM THESE FUNDS DUE TO DECLINING SALES TAX AND MOVED THEM BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND, AND SO, THEY'RE INCORPORATED THERE.

THEY DID NOT LOSE; WE DID NOT CUT ANY FUNDING. WE EITHER REALLOCATED IT OR BUDGET NUMBERS IN THE PRIOR YEAR WERE FOR ONE-TIME ITEMS THAT DID NOT REQUIRE AN ONGOING COMPONENT.

SO, THIS IS CRIME CONTROL AND THEN FIRE CONTROL. AND SO, THAT IS MY OVERVIEW. WE HAVE OUR BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING, ADOPTION OF OUR BUDGET, TAX RATE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN ALL OF THE MOTIONS THAT REQUIRE WITH THAT. I BELIEVE TRACY HAS PROVIDED YOU WITH THE EXACT MOTION LANGUAGE, AS THAT IS REQUIRED, PER THE CODES GOVERNING THESE ADOPTIONS, THAT MUST BE MOTIONED VERY SPECIFICALLY.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GREAT.

WE'RE, IT'S 113 DOLLARS AND 60 CENTS A MONTH. WE'RE KEEPING OUR, OUR TAX RATE THE SAME, AND, WE'RE PROVIDING A LOT OF SERVICES FOR THAT, AND MEETING WITH OUR AUDITOR A FEW WEEKS AGO, I MEAN, SHE SAID OUR, OUR BUDGET'S CLEAN, EVERYTHING IS CLEAN.

IT'S, LOOKS OUTSTANDING, SO, IT'S GREAT WHAT YOU ALL HAVE PUT TOGETHER. Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO, ITEM K1

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THROUGH 3, OR 1 AND 3 IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? OKAY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ON THIS ITEM WE HAVE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SEPARATE MOTIONS, AND YOU HAVE THE WORDING FOR K3, SO.

I HAVE A LITTLE COMMENTARY, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

MAY, CAN YOU PUT UP SLIDE 11? THAT WAS THE ONE WITH THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

SO, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT PROPERTY TAX. THERE'S A LOT OF GOVERNOR HAS COMMERCIALS.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT ANY, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME THE TAX BILL GOES UP ON YOUR PROPERTY, IT'S A TAX INCREASE. I GET THAT. AND THE LEGISLATURE'S TAKING A LOT OF ACTION TO TRY TO DRIVE DOWN PROPERTY TAXES OF MEANS OF MAKING HOMES MORE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT HERE IN FLOWER MOUND, AND WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD TO DO THE SAME THING, DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE'RE SOMETIMES AT LOGGERHEADS WITH THE LEGISLATURE OVER SPECIFIC PIECES OF LEGISLATION.

FUNDAMENTALLY, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM. SO, YOU HEAR A LOT OF FINGER POINTING.

PEOPLE BLAME THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT BLAMES THE TAXING AUTHORITIES, THAT'S US. WE SAY ALL THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, YOU'RE PAYING MOST OF YOUR TAX BILL. FORGET ALL OF THAT. WHAT WE TRIED TO DO A FEW YEARS AGO WAS SAY, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF CASH THAT A HOMEOWNER IS PUTTING ON THE TABLE WHEN THEY GO TO PAY THAT BILL EVERY YEAR JUST FOR THE FLOWER MOUND PORTION, AND HOW CAN WE TRY TO KEEP THAT CONSISTENT? SO, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A TYPICAL HOME, MAYBE A MEDIAN OR AN AVERAGE HOME, AND WHAT ON THE TAX RATE COLUMN, THE THIRD COLUMN, YOU SEE IT GOING DOWN, AND THAT'S A FACTOR OF SB2, WHICH IS THE LEGISLATURE SAYING WE CAN ONLY COLLECT 3.5% MORE REVENUE YEAR OVER YEAR FROM EXISTING PROPERTIES. SO, BECAUSE APPRAISALS HAVE BEEN GOING UP, THAT LEGISLATION HAS BEEN DRIVING THE TAX RATE DOWN, WHICH IS GOOD. WE, AS A MATTER OF POLICY, WANTED, WANTED TO FOCUS THOSE TAX BENEFITS TO OUR HOMESTEAD HOMEOWNER, OWNER OCCUPIED HOMEOWNERS, BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT THE, APPRAISALS WERE GOING UP HIGHER FOR RESIDENTIAL THAN THEY WERE FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

SO, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY NEEDED A BREAK. SO, WE INCREASED THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, AS YOU SEE IN THE FOURTH COLUMN, FROM 2.5% OVER TIME TO 20%, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY LAW, AND WE INCREASED THE OVER 65 EXEMPTIONS. THE NET RESULT OF THAT IS THAT IN 2020, THIS HOMEOWNER WAS PAYING 1339 DOLLARS. LET ME GO OVER ONE MORE COLUMN, 1305 DOLLARS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, AND IN 2027 THEY'RE GOING TO PAY 1363 DOLLARS. THAT'S LIKE A 58-DOLLAR INCREASE, IT'S 4%. SO, WE'VE ONLY INCREASED PROPERTY TAX FOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPT HOMEOWNERS BY 4% OVER THE LAST 6 YEARS, NOT INFLATION ADJUSTED, NO FUNNY BUSINESS. SO, I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN GO TO OUR LEGISLATURE AND SAY, GUYS, WE'RE DOING OUR PART HERE IN FLOWER MOUND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVERCHARGING OUR RESIDENTS, BUT WE NEED SOME HELP. THE WAY WE CAN DRIVE THIS EVEN LOWER IS BY GROWING OUR SALES TAX.

THAT'S THE OTHER REVENUE SOURCE THAT WE CAN USE. BUT THE LEGISLATURE HAS A BILL THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD ALLOW A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO CONVERT TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. SB 840 FROM, FROM LAST SESSION.

IT, IT PASSED, BUT DOESN'T APPLY TO FLOWER MOUND. THANK YOU, TAN PARKER.

AND, IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN THAT SALES TAX GENERATING PROPERTY CONVERTS TO RESIDENTIAL USE APARTMENTS, WHICH APARTMENTS ARE REVENUE NEGATIVE, MEANING THEY CONSUME MORE THAN TAXES THAN THEY GENERATE. SO, WE LOSE SALES TAX, WHICH MEANS YOUR TAX BILL GOES UP, BUT YOUR TAX BILL CAN'T GO UP BECAUSE SB2 WON'T ALLOW IT.

SO, WE'D HAVE TO PUT THAT OUT FOR AN ELECTION, WHICH IF THE RESIDENTS TURN IT DOWN, THEN QUALITY OF SERVICES, INFRASTRUCTURE DECLINES. WE CAN'T GUARANTEE ROADS AND PARKS AND POLICE OFFICERS AND FIRE, WHICH IS A BAD THING. SO, LIKE I'D SAY TO THESE LEGISLATE, THESE ELECTED OFFICIALS IS, YOU KNOW, GOOD, FAST, OR CHEAP, PICK TWO, RIGHT? WELL, GOOD QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE, RAPID, FAST DEVELOPMENT, OR CHEAP, LOW TAXES, PICK TWO. BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY DO ALL THREE, BUT WE'RE KIND OF MANDATED TO DO ALL THREE. SO, THIS IS THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO LOWER YOUR TAXES. WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT TO GET THE REST OF IT WORKED OUT TOO. THERE'S A LOT OF, WE ALREADY HAD OUR ONE MEETING WITH OUR STATE SENATOR, WE'LL HAVE MORE, BUT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN. THIS IS A VERY GOOD BUDGET. I KNOW WE'RE UP AGAINST IT. WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THE STAFF, THE FIREFIGHTERS, AND, THE RESIDENTS TOO. SO, GOOD JOB, MEG. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, SO, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.

ALL RIGHT, SO, I HAVE TWO MOTIONS FOR ITEM K2. MOTION NUMBER ONE, I MOVE TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING ON OCTOBER 1ST, 2026 AND ENDING ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027, AND MAKING APPROPRIATIONS FOR EACH FUND AND DEPARTMENT.

SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR K1.

COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER.

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OKAY, ITEM K1 FOR THE MOTION.

THE, WHAT? MOTION NUMBER 1.

MOTION NUMBER 1. PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ALL RIGHT, I MOVE TO RATIFY THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE INCREASE REFLECTED IN THE F FISCAL YEAR 2026 2027 BUDGET.

COUNCIL MEMBER DREW? AYE.

K3.

COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS? AYE.

COUNCILMEMBER WERNER? AYE.

OKAY, ITEM K2 PASSES ALSO BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ALL RIGHT, HERE'S THE BIG ONE.

I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED BY THE ADOPTION OF A TAX RATE OF 0.37, SORRY, 0.387277 DOLLARS PER 100 DOLLARS OF ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 4.55% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE, AND MOVE TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE 2026 TAX ROLLS AND FIXING AND LEVYING MUNICIPAL AD VALOREM TAXES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING ON OCTOBER 1ST, 2026 AND ENDING ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027, AND FOR EACH FISCAL YEAR THEREAFTER, UNTIL OTHERWISE PROVIDED, AT THE RATE OF 0.387277 DOLLARS PER 100 DOLLARS ASSESSED VALUATION ON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2026.

OKAY, TAKE THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER WERNER.

OKAY, THE ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE 2026 TAX ROLLS, PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. THANK YOU.

[K.4. Fee Schedule Update - Consider an ordinance of the Town Council of the Town of Flower Mound, Texas, providing for the adoption of a comprehensive fee schedule for various goods, services, activities, permits and licenses. ]

OKAY, SO, JOHN ZAGURSKI IS GOING TO PRESENT ON OUR FEE SCHEDULE UPDATE.

NO. RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. SO, THIS BRINGS FORWARD A LARGE LIFT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, OVER THIS PAST YEAR. SO, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER BACK IN JANUARY, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT COST RECOVERY POLICY, AND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT WHETHER, WE'RE MAKING THE REVENUE THAT WE SHOULD TO PAY FOR THE PROGRAMS IN THE WAY THAT ARE INTENDED.

AND SO, THIS BRINGS FORWARD BASICALLY A CULMINATION OF ALL OF THAT WORK FROM OUR DEPARTMENTS. AND SO, WHY SOMETHING CAN TAKE 9 MONTHS OR 8 MONTHS TO BASICALLY, PUT TOGETHER IS BECAUSE AS THIS IS THE LARGEST FEE SCHEDULE ADJUSTMENT IN THE TOWN'S HISTORY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO START DOING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS SO, THAT, IT'S LOOKED AT, REGULATED, AND ADJUSTED SO, THAT THERE AREN'T THESE LARGE CHANGES LIKE WE'RE SEEING THIS YEAR.

SO, OVERALL, WHEN WE STARTED THIS, WE WANTED TO ALIGN OUR CURRENT COST AND SERVICE LEVELS, AND REGULATE THE REQUIREMENTS.

SO, WE WANTED TO UPDATE WITH THINGS THAT HAD CHANGED IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE. WE ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY RENEWAL CYCLES AND PAYMENT RULES, ADD CONVENIENCE, ADOPTION, AND INSPECTION FEES WHERE NEEDED, AND REMOVE OBSOLETE PROVISIONS AND, CONSOLIDATE DUPLICATE ITEMS. SO, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT ONE IS, IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S 2 CHAPTERS THAT WERE AMENDED JUST TO REMOVE THE FEES FROM THE CHAPTERS AND GIVE A REFERENCE TO THE ADOPTION FEE SCHEDULE.

SO, IT'S A LOT JUST CLEANING UP OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND SO, THERE WAS A LOT OF LITTLE TIDYING UP WORK, AND AGAIN, YOU USUALLY ONLY CATCH THOSE WHEN YOU'RE DOING THINGS AS A WHOLE. SO, I'M GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH MOST OF THE MAJOR THINGS THAT CHANGED.

THIS IS NOT INCLUSIVE OF EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S A GOOD SUMMARY.

OKAY, SO, OVERALL ADMINISTRATION, WE'VE ADDED THE FOLLOWING. WE HAVE OUR CLEARANCE LETTER FEE, OUR CERTIFIED DOCUMENT FEE, AND OUR REFERENCE NOTARY FEE.

ALL OF THOSE WERE ADDED. AND, WE MADE CLEAR BASICALLY THE NSF, WHICH IS NON-SUFFICIENT FUNDS HANDLING FEE IN THE RETURN FOR PAYMENTS.

SO, IF YOUR CHECK BOUNCES, AND THAT HAPPENS TO US A COUPLE TIMES, SO, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHARGE A FEE FOR THAT INSTEAD OF JUST EATING THOSE COSTS, AND THERE ARE BANKING FEES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WE ALSO SET A SINGLE CREDIT CARD TRANSACTION CAP OF 40,000 DOLLARS. THIS ALSO HELPS US TO NOT PAY CREDIT CARD FEES, MEANS THAT WE ARE UNNEEDED OR WOULD BE UNDULY, PRESSING ON LOWER END FEE USERS. WITH OUR ANIMAL SERVICES DEPARTMENTS, IMPOUND FEES INCREASED BASED ON REPEATED UTILIZATION.

BOARDING FEES WERE INCREASED FOR STANDARD QUARANTINE, SMALL LIVESTOCK IMPOUND FEES, AND RAISE RELATED FEES. WE ADDED THE FOLLOWING FEES, ADOPTION, TRAP RENTALS, AND OWNER SURRENDER FEES.

ON OUR BUILDING AND PERMITS, THIS ONE HAS A LOT OF NUMBERS THAT I THINK PEOPLE WOULD,

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WOULD SAY ARE EXORBITANT, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY A DIRECT REPRESENTATION OF COMPOUNDING CPI. SO, ANY OF THESE NUMBERS IS BASICALLY YOU TAKE ONE YEAR CPI AND YOU START MULTIPLYING THOSE MOVING BACKWARDS. AND SO, SINCE 2019, WE'VE EXPERIENCED THROUGH CPI ROUGHLY 33% INFLATION.

SO, ALL BUILDING AND PERMIT FEES ARE ADJUSTED USING THE FOLLOWING CONSUMER PRICE INDEX MULTIPLIERS BASED ON THE LAST DATE OF ADOPTION.

SO, WE LOOKED AT WHEN THESE FEES WERE ADOPTED AND APPLIED THE CPI MULTIPLIER TO THEM.

OUR BUSINESSES, SO, OUR BUSINESS FEES ARE ADJUSTED USING THE FOLLOWING, CPI MULTIPLIER. AGAIN, 2009, 55% INFLATION. THIS SEEMS EXORBITANT, BUT IF YOU HAD TO REMEMBER, OR IF YOU LOOK AT ANYTHING IN PRICE, YOU CAN SEE IT'S PROBABLY HAS INCREASED THAT MUCH. MUCH, AND SO, I TRY TO USE A FAIR INDICATOR ACROSS ALL OF THIS AND USE LESS SUBJECTIVE MEASURES, BUT US CPI VERSUS REGIONALIZED CPI, I LOOKED AT BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, AND, IN THE END, THE MATH CAME OUT TO BE ABOUT THE SAME. ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE FEES WERE REMOVED DUE TO CHANGES IN STATE LAW. THIS IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE STATE JUST BASICALLY REMOVING OUR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY CHARGE A FEE. SO, EMS, THIS IS A REAL GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WAS CHANGED OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.

THE STATE LIMITS MUNICIPAL FEE INCREASES FOR EMS TO THE CMS INFLATION FACTOR, WHICH IS ABOUT, BASICALLY MEDICAL INFLATION SPECIFICALLY, BUT YOU CAN ONLY INCREASE THAT 2% A YEAR, OR AS IF THAT FACTOR INCREASES WHATEVER THAT PERCENTILE IS.

SO, IT HASN'T BEEN ADJUSTED IN 10 YEARS, SO, THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL TAKE A NUMBER OF TIMES TO, REALLY CATCH US UP, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE PLAYING IN THE REARS THERE. WE INCREASE OUR ABLS AND BLS TRANSPORT BASE RATES, SUPPLY OF OXYGEN, AMBULANCE STANDBY, AND MILEAGE FEES. WE ALSO ADDED THE NEW LIFT ASSIST FEE AND THE NON-EMERGENCY MEDICAL TRANSPORT. SO, THESE ARE GOOD EXAMPLES OF WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES HERE WITHIN TOWN. THIS WILL ALLOW US TO CHARGE FEES ANYTIME WE ARE CALLED FOR NON-EMERGENCY PURCHASES, WHEN WE'RE BASICALLY TAKING EMERGENCY PEOPLE AWAY FROM THINGS THAT NEED, BIGGER RESPONSES FOR MINOR ONES. AND SO, THIS ALLOWS US TO BUILD THOSE FACILITIES DIRECTLY.

ENVIRONMENTAL, CHAPTER 34, WE ADJUST THESE FEES USING CPI.

AGAIN, I TRY TO USE THE, WHATEVER ORDINANCE YEAR WAS BASICALLY OUT THERE FOR EACH OF THESE CHAPTERS. LIBRARY FEES ARE ADJUSTED USING THE FOLLOWING CPI MULTIPLIERS.

2002 WAS THE LAST TIME THEY ADJUSTED THEIR FEES, SO, THERE WAS ONLY ONE. WE REMOVED THE PAPERBACK BOOK FEES, AND WE ADDED FEES REPLACING WONDER BOOKS AND VARIOUS OTHER ITEMS. SO, THIS ONE WAS JUST A LOT OF CLEANING UP, UPDATING TO CURRENT THINGS THAT WERE IN THERE, AND THEN, JUST LITTLE BITTY FEES INCREASED AND ASSOCIATED WITH 2022. IF YOU NOTICE ANY PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCES, SOME OF THOSE ARE DUE TO ROUNDING RULES BASED ON THE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS A 10-CENT FEE VERSUS A DOLLAR FEE VERSUS A 200-DOLLAR FEE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT, ROUNDING RULES THAT WERE APPLIED THERE TO MAKE THOSE FEES ADJUST PROPERLY. PARKS AND RECREATION. SO, SPORTS FIELDS, RESERVATIONS, MAINTENANCE FEES, THESE ARE ALL BASED ON REGIONAL RATES, AND SO, THESE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT AND SET AT ON A MORE REGULARLY ROUTINE BASIS. CAC FEELS, CAC FEES WILL NOT BE UPDATED UNTIL ALL THE RENOVATION IS COMPLETE. SENIOR EMOTION MEMBERSHIP ROOM AND BOARD RENTAL FEES HAVE DOUBLED, AND TWIN COAST PARK FEES ARE INCREASED BASED ON REGIONAL RATES, BUT WE ALSO ADDED A DYNAMIC PRICING FUNCTION SO, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MORE FLEXIBLY PRICE THEM DURING PEAK SEASONS.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LIBRARY? WHAT WERE THE FEE INCREASES ON THIS? SO, WE ADJUSTED ALL OF THEIR FEES USING CPI.

SO, ALL OF THEIR, YEAH, SO, ANY FEES THAT WERE CHARGED BY THE LIBRARY WERE ADJUSTED BASED ON THE CPI FOR 20 AND 22. ALL RIGHT, SO, I TRY TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THESE MORE, MORE SMALLER ONES INTO THINGS.

TRANSCRIPT AND COPY FEES WERE ADDED FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURTS. WE REMOVED THE TECHNOLOGY AND BILLING FEES BECAUSE OF CHANGES AGAIN IN STATE LAW. THOSE FEES ARE STILL IN PLACE. THEY'RE JUST IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS. ALSO, MOST OF OUR MUNICIPAL COURT FINES AND FEES ARE NOT SET BY YOU, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SET BY OUR MUNICIPAL JUDGE.

ENGINEERING, FEES ARE ADJUSTED USING CPI MULTIPLIERS AND BASED ON THE LAST ADOPTION RATES, WHICH WAS 2022 OR 2023 AND 2025. FIRE PREVENTION. SO, THIS ONE WAS A BIT OF A LARGE OVERHAUL. WE ESTABLISHED A COMPREHENSIVE FIRE FEE SCHEDULE. SO, WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, AND IT WAS A CONSENT ITEM, BUT BEING ABLE TO CHARGE THROUGH EMERGICON, FIRE FEES TO RESPOND TO ACCIDENTS, WHICH ARE DIRECTLY CHARGED THROUGH INSURANCE PROVIDERS, THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO RECUPERATE SOME OF THOSE COSTS FOR INCIDENT RESPONSE SPECIFIC TO ACCIDENTS. UTILITIES OVERHAUL AND CLARIFIES LANGUAGES IN THIS CHAPTER. NO FEES WERE CHANGED. SO, FOR UTILITIES, THERE WAS A GOOD AMOUNT OF CLEANUP. SO, OUR UTILITY METERS, A LOT OF THOSE FEES AND EVERYTHING IN THERE HAD BEEN GOING, THE SAME WAY FOR 30 PLUS YEARS, AND SO, THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE CLEANUP. AND THEN LASTLY, OUR SIGNS CREATED A BASE FEE, BASED ON SIZE, AND SO,

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WE HAVE ADJUSTING THINGS IN THERE. WE ALSO ADJUSTED OUR FEES BASED ON CPI, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IN CHAPTER 90. FEES WERE ADJUSTED USING CPI TREES, AGAIN, CPI, AND ZONING, LASTLY, FEES WERE USED AND ADJUSTED BASED ON CPI. SO, YOU CAN SEE AS A WHOLE, OVERALL, THESE FEES WERE ADJUSTED, AGAIN, USING THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, LEFT KIND OF STAFF OPINION AND OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. WE DO USE REGIONAL RATES WHEN, WE'RE CONSIDERED BASICALLY BEING PRICED OUT OF A MARKET OF SOMETHING, SUCH AS LIKE RENT, RECREATION RENTALS OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER CAPS ARE JUST ONES THAT ARE POSED ON US BY THE STATE. SO, THIS WAS A VERY, VERY LARGE, LIFT, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF NUMBERS, IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE RED LINE VERSION, AND THERE WAS A MASSIVE NUMBER OF CHANGES ON THIS. THIS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE WITHOUT THE HELP OF OUR MANAGEMENT ANALYST, SOPHIA. SHE DID A GREAT JOB.

THIS WAS A HUGE, HUGE PROJECT, AND SHE MANAGED IT ALL ALONG THE WAY, MET WITH DEPARTMENTS, HAD LOTS OF FOLLOW UPS, MET WITH THE ATTORNEYS, HE'S HAD FOLLOW UPS THERE, AND SO, THERE'S A LOT OF INTERDEPARTMENTAL COMMUNICATION, CLARIFICATIONS, AND SO, MANY DEPARTMENTS THAT ACTUALLY HAD THIS ON THE BURNER FOR A WHILE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO THIS, THIS JUST PRESENTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE. SO, COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I KNOW THAT'S LIKE SAYING, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT A VERY LONG BOOK? I'M SORRY, JOHN, I'D HATE TO BEAT THIS UP, BUT SO, WHAT ARE THE SPECIFICS? I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S CPI, BASED ON CPI, BUT IT'S WHAT IS THE ACTUAL FEE FOR THE LIBRARY? ARE, ARE YOU CHANGING THE FEES? I'LL HAVE TO GO I'M TRYING TO FIND IT IN OUR YEAH. IT'S ALPHABETICAL IN THE, SO I'M LOOKING AT OUR, JUST HAVE IT. OUR INFORMATION THAT OUR PACKET, BUT I CAN'T FIND IT.

IT'S AROUND PAGE 300, I THINK, BUT I CAN'T FIND IT EITHER.

300? I'M ON PAGE 53.

WELL, THE, THE DOCUMENT IS PAGE 315. PAGE 315.

OKAY. 315.

350? 315 IN THE, IN THE PACKET, BUT HANG ON, WHICH PAGE IS THAT WOW.

ON THIS EXHIBIT, THOUGH, IS, I'M IN THE EXHIBIT.

OKAY, HERE IT IS RIGHT HERE.

IT'S PAGE 29.

SO, A DOLLAR 20 FOR YOUR LIBRARY CARD REPLACEMENT, 25-DOLLAR FEE FOR BOOKS THAT ARE LOST OR DAMAGED, 12 DOLLARS FOR CHILDREN'S BOOKS, 20 DOLLARS FOR MEDIA ITEMS, 60 DOLLARS FOR A WONDER BOOK. YEAH, OKAY. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THEY SEEM ALL OKAY.

FAIRLY REASONABLE. DID YOU FIND IT? YEAH, YOU HAVE HEARD.

PAGE 29. SO, JOHN WALL, THE MAYOR'S LOOKING AT THAT.

SO, I HAVE, HAD A RESIDENT THAT REACHED OUT. SHE'S A SIM MEMBER, IS GOING TO THE CAC TO WALK THE TRACK, IS ONLY IS LIMITED IN HER THE TIME SHE CAN ACCESS THE TRACK, BUT CAN'T, DOESN'T WANT TO BE A FULL MEMBER BECAUSE SHE ONLY WANTS TO WALK THE TRACK, BUT SHE JUST WANTS TO HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY. SO, THE IDEA WAS, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO ADD IT TO THE FEE SCHEDULE TONIGHT, BUT MAYBE WE CAN JUST START, POSSIBLY ADDING A SIM ENHANCED CAC MEMBERSHIP WHERE YOU GET A LITTLE BIT MORE HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ACCESS TO ANY ADDITIONAL PARTS.

MAY PRO TEM, IF I MAY, I MAY HAVE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT.

YEAH, YEAH. WELL, THEY DID THEY DIDN'T THEY KNEW THE QUESTION WAS COMING, NO.

SO, I'M HOPING HE HAS AN ANSWER.

WELL, SO, PARKS DEPARTMENT THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE. I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO DO ANYTHING BEFORE THE EXPANSION, AND EVEN AFTER THAT, IT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE.

AND, AND WHAT I'LL ADD TO THAT IS THAT JUST THE OVERRIDING CONCERN IS THAT IT'LL TURN INTO A KIND OF A LA CARTE THING. I WANT TO SWIM ONLY, I WANT TO DO THIS ONLY, I WANT TO DO THIS ONLY, AND IT BECOMES A BIT CUMBERSOME TO MANAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM SPAN OF CONTROL WITH THE EXPANSION, WE, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE WHOSE SOLE JOB IS TO FOLLOW PEOPLE AROUND AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE QUOTE UNQUOTE RIGHT AREA. IT MAKES SENSE CONCEPTUALLY. IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND SEE IF THERE'S A GOOD MODEL THAT IS OUT THERE. I UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, QUESTION, AND I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH HER TO FIND, THE RIGHT BALANCE AND WHERE WE CAN STRIKE IT. SO, I THINK ULTIMATELY WITH THE EXPANSION, WE CAN CONTINUE TO KIND OF EXPLORE THAT IN THAT NEW FEE STRUCTURE TO SEE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT IT. BUT THOSE ARE OVERRIDING CONCERNS IS, IS THAT IT'LL TURN INTO WE'RE NOW KIND OF TURNING OUR ENTIRE OFFERINGS IN THAT FACILITY INTO A LA CARTE WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU.

AND WHAT PAGE IS THE, HERE IT IS. SENIORS' PROMOTION MEMBERSHIP FEE. I'M ON IT.

REMEMBER WHAT'S SO, JOHN, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

THIS WAS A LOT OF WORK FOR THIS COST RECOVERY, AND I KNOW WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT IT. AND I UNDERSTAND NOT INCREASING THE CAC FEES BEFORE THE EXPANSION, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY MEMBERS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THAT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE GONE 18 YEARS TO LOOK AT THE CAC FEES.

I WILL SAY IT'S AN INCREDIBLE VALUE THAT SINCE, THE LAST BONDS WERE PASSED, THAT THEY DIDN'T INCREASE CAC FEES, FEES, AND SO, IT WAS, I

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THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING VERY UNIQUE TO US.

YEAH, OBVIOUSLY SUBSIDIZING USE IS A FUNCTION OF HIGHER TAXES, SO, YOU KNOW, WITH LOWER TAXES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE USER FEES. THAT'S KIND OF AN ACCEPTABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE TRADE OFF.

ABSOLUTELY.

GOOD JOB.

YEAH, I, YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. I DO KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INPUT ABOUT THE SENIOR CENTER, AND I DO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE INCREASING THAT RATE, BUT, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE'VE INCREASED THE RATE AT THE SENIOR CENTER? IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.

EVER? YEAH.

LIKE IT, LIKE IT'S 10, IT'S CURRENTLY 10 DOLLARS A YEAR, AND IT'S INCREASING TO 20 DOLLARS, WHICH I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT, BUT IT HAS BEEN, OVER A DECADE SINCE WE'VE YOU KNOW, IT CHANGED THAT FEE, SO, IT'S, AND THEY DO GET TO WALK THE TRACK AT THE CAC AS PART OF THAT 20 DOLLARS A YEAR YEAH.

BETWEEN THOSE CERTAIN HOURS.

YEAH, YEAH, FOR SURE. SO, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REASONABLE.

ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENT? NO.

NO? OKAY. SO, THIS IS, MAKE SURE THIS ISN'T A, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS NOT. IT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF ANYONE WISHES TO MAKE A MOTION, THEY CAN DO SO, NOW.

MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM K4 AS PRESENTED.

OKAY. WE CAN TAKE THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER CHU? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? AYE.

BRIAN, YOU WITH US? AYE. YES, AYE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER.

OKAY, THE FEE SCHEDULE UPDATE, THE FEE SCHEDULE PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. SO, JOHN, YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT ON THE NEXT ONE, THE FINANCIAL POLICY UPDATE.

[K.5. Financial Policy Update - Consider approval of a resolution amending the financial policies of the Town of Flower Mound.]

YES, SO, THIS ONE WILL BE MUCH, SHORTER. AND SO, OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES WERE SOMETHING THAT WAS TYPICALLY CHANGED AND ADOPTED AT EVERY SINGLE BUDGET TIME PERIOD PRIOR TO ME COMING HERE. AND SO, I WANTED A FEW YEARS TO GET MY FEET UNDER ME TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL POLICIES AND HOW THEY NEEDED TO CHANGE. MOST OF THE CHANGES I HAD WERE VERY MINOR, REMOVING REDUNDANCIES, REMOVING THINGS THAT WERE NOT APPLICABLE ANYMORE. I ALSO ADDED CAVEATS FOR THINGS LIKE VOTER APPROVED DEBTS. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE TOWN HAD VERY OFTEN PRIOR TO ME COMING HERE. IT'S 22 YEARS SINCE THE LAST BOND PROGRAM BEFORE THIS LAST ONE. SO, I ADDED SOME CAVEATS IN THERE SO, THAT VOTERS WERE NEVER HINDERED BY A FINANCIAL POLICY ON WHAT THEY COULD SET THAT DATE DEBT RATE AT, SO, I ADDED A CAVEAT THERE, BUT I ADDED 2 SPECIFIC POLICIES. ONE IS A COST RECOVERY POLICY, WHICH WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT AND, TOOK FROM PLANO. THAT POLICY WAS, THE DUE OUT OF THAT WAS THAT EXACT FEE SCHEDULE UPDATE THAT YOU JUST SAW. AND SO, I ALSO UPDATED OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES TO SAY WE DO THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. I ALSO EXTENDED OUT OUR FINANCIAL PLAN, TAKING IT OUT TO A 5-YEAR BASIS, AND SO, WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING FACTORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH REVENUES, THAT WE LOOK AT THOSE ON A MORE LONG-TERM BASIS, ON A POLICY BASIS. LASTLY, I ADDED SOMETHING CALLED A RECESSION POLICY. SO, THIS CAME ABOUT, DURING COVID. MANY PEOPLE, MUNICIPALITIES WERE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO STRATEGICALLY STAGE WHAT YOU DO DURING A RECESSION. AND SO, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS DURING THAT TIME, BUT, ONE OF THE THINGS I SAW WAS, LITTLE TOWN OF FAITH, TEXAS.

THEY CREATED A NEAT POLICY, AND IT SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU APPROACH RECESSIONS LIKE YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE IN STAGES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST 5 PLUS PERCENT DOWN ON REVENUES, YOU DO THIS. THE FIRST 10% YOU DO THIS, AND YOU STAIR STEP IT DOWN, AND THERE'S SPECIFIC ACTIONS THAT ARE TAKEN. WELL, THIS YEAR, WHEN SALES TAX STARTED DIPPING, I, I PULLED THE POLICY, AND I STARTED LOOKING AT IT AND SAID, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. SALES TAX IS DOWN THIS MUCH, WE'RE GOING TO START TAKING THESE THINGS.

WE MET WITH THE LEADERSHIP TEAM, AND WE KIND OF ROLLED THOSE OUT. SO, THIS IS THE FORMALIZATION OF THAT.

AND SO, THAT POLICY IS, NOT UNIQUE TO TEXAS MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS, BUT I THINK IT'S ONE THAT SHOWS NOT ONLY PEOPLE WHO BUY OUR DEBTS, BUT PEOPLE WHO, BACK US FINANCIALLY AND, YOU KNOW, THAT LOOK AT OUR FINANCES ON A REGULAR BASIS. IT PROVIDES SOME CERTAINTY OF WHAT WE DO DURING HARD TIMES AND HOW WE LOOK AT OUR EXPENSES AND THE FIRST THINGS WE LOOK AT IN CHALLENGING. AND SO, ONE OF THE CRITICISMS WE HAD WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT TAX RATE IS, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING WE WENT TO IS PUBLIC SAFETY.

IN REALITY, IT WASN'T EVEN THE FIRST THING WE EVEN DISCUSSED.

AND SO, A LOT OF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF HIRING ARE WE DOING RIGHT NOW? CAN WE SLOW THAT HIRING? AND ARE THERE ANY POSITIONS THAT WE NEED TO EVALUATE? DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT DOING A SOFT FREEZE? WHAT OTHER, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL PROJECTS COULD WE PUSH OFF? AND SO, IT JUST LAYS OUT A STEP-BY-STEP PLAN OF WHAT WE DO ALL THE WAY TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO SHRINK GOVERNMENT SERVICES.

AND SO, WHILE IT DOES GET SCARY IN, THE DEEPER PARTS OF THAT, IF WE ARE AT THOSE TIMES, AT LEAST THERE'S SOME CERTAINTY OF WHAT WE WOULD DO. SO, IT DOESN'T SAY SOMETHING

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LIKE WE'RE GOING TO CUT DEPARTMENT X BY THIS MUCH OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT, AND IT GIVES IT UP TO THE DEPARTMENTS TO BASICALLY SAY, HERE'S HOW WE'D MAKE MEANINGFUL CHANGES AND DECREASE OUR EXPENSES.

SO, MAYOR COUNCIL, THIS IS A KIND OF A BIGGER REWRITE TO THAT, AND THEN ADDING SOME TWO ADDITIONAL POLICIES. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM OPEN.

NO, I REALLY LIKE THE RECESSION PLAN EDITION. I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, AND IT LAYS OUT WHAT OUR PLAN IS. WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PLAN.

SO, JOHN, PROBABLY 6 YEARS AGO, IT'S BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL, THERE WAS, SOME COUNCIL AT THAT TIME WANTED TO CHANGE THE AUDITOR, FELT LIKE THE AUDITOR HAD BEEN IN PLACE TOO LONG, AND RECOMMENDED A POLICY TO ROTATE AUDITORS EVERY FEW YEARS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GET A FRESH SET OF EYES SO, WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME ENTRENCHED PERSON COMING IN, LOOKING AT THE SAME THING, MISSING SOMETHING, OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVING A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. SO, YOU AND I, HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WRITING THAT IN AS ON A POLICY WHERE WE ROTATE AUDITORS EVERY FEW YEARS? SO, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PROVISION IN THE TOWN CHARTER, SECTION 313, AND IT STATES THAT COUNCIL CAN ONLY APPROVE ANY AUDIT CONTRACT FOR 2 YEARS. AND SO, THAT'S THE FURTHEST THAT YOU COULD EVER EXTEND. NOW, MOST AUDITOR CONTRACTS ARE FOR 2 YEARS, AND THEN WE HAVE UP TO 3 YEARS OF AN OPTION PERIOD THAT WE CAN AUTO RENEW, BUT WE STILL ACTUALLY BRING THAT BACK TO COUNSEL EVERY YEAR AS A LETTER OF ENGAGEMENT. SO, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, COUNSEL DOES GET TO LOOK AT IT. IF AN AUDIT FIRM EVER DOES STRETCH PAST A 5-YEAR BASIS, WE NEED TO DO A MANAGER, CHANGE. SO, THE PERSON AT THE FIRM, USUALLY YOU HAVE A MANAGING PARTNER THAT IS OVER YOUR AUDIT AND REVIEWS IT, THAT YOU ASK THE FIRM TO CHANGE WHO THAT AUDITOR IS.

AND SO, BY DOING THAT, YOU BASICALLY RUN A BRAND-NEW AUDIT WITH A FRESH SET OF EYES AND A WHOLE NEW TEAM.

AND SO, THAT'S JUST IN CASE YOU STAY THERE.

FLOWER MOUND IS STAFFED WELL ENOUGH THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PREPARE MOST OF OUR FINAN OR PREPARE OUR FINANCIALS ALL INTERNALLY. WE ALSO PREPARE OUR TAXES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. IF WE DID NOT, THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT SPECIFICALLY AT THE STATE THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE SOMEONE MORE THAN 5 YEARS DO THAT, BUT, IT'S OUR OWN INTERNAL POLICY THAT NO MORE THAN 5 YEARS THE SAME PARTNER, EVEN IF WE STAY WITH THE SAME FIRM. AND THE ONLY REASON WE DON'T SAY WE'RE GOING TO IMMEDIATELY SWITCH FIRM AT THAT TIME IS BECAUSE PRICING.

SO, IF COUNSEL HAS THE OPTION OF, OF HERE'S THE FIRMS THAT CAME UP AND HERE'S THE PRICES, AND WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY THAT OPTION OF RENEWING WITH THEM. NOW WE WOULD GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK AND SAY, HEY, IF THEY CAN'T OFFER ANOTHER MANAGING PARTNER TO REVIEW IT, IT WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD.

SO, THE GUARANTEES THAT EVERY 2 YEARS WILL REVIEW THE CONTRACT.

AND NEVER HAVE ONE LONGER THAN 2 YEARS. AND THE OTHER POLICY MAKES SURE THAT WE GET A NEW MANAGING PARTNER. IS THAT EXPLICIT IN THIS DOCUMENT, THAT 5-YEAR SWAP OF MANAGING PARTNERS, OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING WE'RE DOING INTERNALLY? THAT IS AN INTERNAL, THAT'S AN INTERNAL POLICY.

SO, WE, WE KEEP THAT INTERNALLY, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE EVER WRITTEN INTO HERE, HERE IF WE, I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LELE'S OF BASICALLY SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GUARANTEE ANY SUCH A THING WITHIN A CONTRACT.

RIGHT.

AND SO, BUT, WELL, SO, ITEM 10 SAYS WE'LL HAVE A CERTIFIED PUBLIC ACCOUNTING FIRM PERFORM AN ANNUAL AUDIT NO LATER THAN 6 MONTHS. I MEAN, CAN WE HAVE AN ITEM 11 THAT SAYS WE'LL REPLACE THE MANAGING PARTNER FOR ANY AUDITING FIRM THAT IS AUDITING US FOR MORE THAN 5 YEARS? IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GO AND ADD IN THERE, AARON. YOU JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE OF HOW WE ACTUALLY GOT TO PUT THAT INTO THAT.

I MEAN, IT SEEMS, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD SATISFY WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, WHICH IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME ENTRENCHED PERSON WHO MAYBE KNOWS THE TOWN MANAGER OR THE CFO AND NO.

THEY'RE BEST FRIENDS, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, IT'S MOST OF THE PLACES I HAVE BASICALLY HAVE THE RULE THAT YOU CAN'T RENEW MORE THAN 5 YEARS, BUT AGAIN, I DO WANT TO SAY IS THE WAY THAT FIRMS GET GOBBLED UP AND CHANGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT, SOMETIMES IT GETS A LITTLE TRICKY TRYING TO FIND RIGHT.

A NEW ONE, AND THEN ALSO, STAFF CHANGES. THAT WILL BE THE OTHER THING IS IF WE'RE IN YEAR 6 WITH AN AUDIT FIRM AND WE HAVE A HEAVY TURNOVER OR CHANGE, RETIREMENT OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT WITH STAFF, THAT MAY BE NOT THE OPPORTUNE TIME TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THAT, JUST BECAUSE OF, OF SHIFTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT ABSOLUTELY, THIS IS SOMETHING I CAN WORK ON.

OKAY. IS EVERYONE ELSE OKAY WITH THAT? I THINK THIS WAS SANDEEP AND GREG WHO HAD THAT.

YEAH. OKAY, THANKS.

OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, DO YOU ALL WISH TO MAKE A MOTION? SURE, I WILL. MOVE TO APPROVE REGULAR ITEM K5 AS PRESENTED.

OKAY, WE CAN TAKE THE ROLL.

COUNCILMEMBER DREW? AYE.

COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS? AYE.

COUNCILMEMBER WERNER? AYE.

OKAY, THE, THE RESOLUTION

[K.6. TRP26-0004 Alexan The Point Phase II - Public Hearing to consider an application for a tree removal permit (TRP26-0004) for one (1) specimen tree on the property known as Alexan the Point Phase II for the proposed development. The property is generally located east of Lake Forest Boulevard and north of Silveron Boulevard. (The Environmental Conservation Commission recommended approval by a vote of 6 to 0 at its August 4, 2026, meeting). (Town Council postponed this item to the September 21, 2026, meeting by a vote of 3 to 0 at its August 17, 2026, meeting.)]

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AMENDING THE FINANCIAL POLICIES PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

OKAY. SO, JAKE SPECKLES IS GOING TO PRESENT ON OUR NEXT ITEM, K6. THIS IS ON THE ALEXAN, ALEXAN THE POINT PHASE 2. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO, THIS WILL BE ITEM K6, AS YOU SAID, FOR TRP 260004. SO, ALEXANDER POINT PHASE 2 IS APPROXIMATELY 8.6 ACRES IN SIZE. THIS SITE IS WITHIN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 156, PD 156, WHICH IS ZONED FOR COMBINED USES. THE SITE CONTAINS 6 SPECIMEN TREES, AND TO PROCEED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE REMOVAL OF 1 SPECIMEN TREE, WHICH IS IN GOOD CONDITION.

THIS IS THE GENERAL LOCATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN. I'LL PULL UP THE TREE SURVEY REAL QUICK. SO, THESE GREEN CANOPIES REPRESENT THE SPECIMEN TREES THAT ARE MARKED TO REMAIN, THAT ARE ALL WITHIN UPLAND HABITAT, WHICH IS DESIGNATED BY THIS LINE. SO, ALL THAT MEANS IS WE LOOK AT MITIGATION DIFFERENTLY FOR UPLAND HABITAT VERSUS TREES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF IT. THIS SPECIMEN TREE IS OUTSIDE OF UPLAND HABITAT, SO, IT'S MITIGATED FOR A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

AND THEN THESE ARE PROTECTED AND NON-PROTECTED, TREES, AND THOSE ARE DETERMINED BY THESE SYMBOLS WITHIN THE LEGEND. SO, THESE TRIANGLES ARE NON-PROTECTED SPECIES OR UNDER 6 INCHES, AND THEN THESE ARE THE OTHER DESIGNATIONS, BUT THIS IS THE SPECIMEN TREE THAT IS REQUESTED FOR REMOVAL. I'LL PULL UP SOME PICTURES. SO, IT'S THIS 28-INCH MULTI TRUNK POST OAK. IT'S TAG NUMBER 8603. AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I CAN GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THOSE AT THIS TIME. OTHERWISE, THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AVAILABLE.

AND SO, THE OBVIOUS QUESTION, JAKE, IS THIS, THIS ZONING WAS APPROVED 9 YEARS AGO. WHY ARE WE SEEING THIS NOW? SO, AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE THAT THE TREE WAS CLASSIFIED AS A MULTI TRUNK, SO, THEY CONSIDERED IT 2 PROTECTED TREES. THAT'S WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE OLD TREE SURVEY.

LIKE IT, THE APPLICANT HAS IT IN THEIR PRESENTATION, BUT IT'S AN 18 INCH AND A 16 INCH. WHEREAS THIS TIME I DETERMINED THAT IT WAS A SPECIMEN, AND THAT WAS ALSO SHOWN ON THE TREE SURVEY THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED WITH THEIR FIRST ROUND. SO, I MEASURED IT, I CAN SHOW YOU.

AT THIS POINT, SO, TYPICAL MEASUREMENTS ARE TAKEN AT 4 AND A HALF FEET ABOVE GROUND LEVEL, WHICH IS BREAST HEIGHT, THAT'S INDUSTRY STANDARD. SO, THAT POINT FELL ABOUT HERE, AND THEN OUR ORDINANCE SPECIFIES, AS WELL AS TEXAS A&M MEASURING STANDARDS, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MEASURE BELOW THE LOWEST SPLIT AND AWAY FROM ANY INSTRUCTIONS. SO, YOU WANT TO FIND THE LOWEST DIAMETER, POINT OF THE TREE BELOW THE SPLIT, SO, THAT I WOULD MEASURE THAT AROUND HERE. WHEREAS PREVIOUSLY IT WAS MEASURED UP HERE.

SO, JAKE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, WOULD A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON LOOK AT THIS AND THINK THAT THAT IS TWO TREES? I THINK THAT PREVIOUSLY IT WAS DETERMINED AS 2 TREES BECAUSE OF THIS INCLUDED BARK LINE RIGHT HERE. SO, SOMETIMES THAT IS AN INDICATOR OF 2 DIFFERENT TREES. HOWEVER, IT'S NOT, NOT ALWAYS SEEN. SOMETIMES A SINGLE TRUNK TREE WILL HAVE INCLUDED BARK, FURTHER UP. BUT ANOTHER INDICATOR THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT IS THE, THE ROOT FLARE. SO, I'LL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE HERE. SO, THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF TWO DIFFERENT TREES.

BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ROOT FLARES HERE. SAME ON THESE TWO EXAMPLES. WHEREAS THIS TREE, I'M SEEING MORE OF A CIRCLE SHAPE AT THE BOTTOM VERSUS AN OVAL, WHICH WOULD INDICATE TWO ROOT FLARES. SO, IN MY OPINION, MOST LIKELY IT IS A, A SINGLE TREE.

SO, THIS TREE WAS NOT INCLUDED AS A SPECIMEN TREE 9 YEARS AGO.

I MEAN, I'M HOLDING THE EXHIBIT RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST NOT ON THERE AT ALL. I COULDN'T FIND THE TREE SURVEY WITH THE WHOLE SPREADSHEET FROM THE, THE PACKET BACK THEN, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE A VERY, IT'S A, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE 2

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TREES. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT ASSUMPTION, YOU WEREN'T HERE 9 YEARS AGO, SO, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED 2 TREES IF YOU HAD BEEN HERE 9 YEARS AGO AND THIS CAME THROUGH THE FIRST TIME.

UNLESS IT, THAT UNION GREW DIFFERENTLY, I MEAN, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A LARGER SPACE HERE WHERE THAT INCLUDED BARK FILLED IN, AND MAYBE THE ARBORIST OR WHOEVER INITIALLY SURVEYED THE TREE LOOKED AT IT DIFFERENTLY.

SO, JAKE, I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO. THE PACKET SAYS TREE NUMBER 8603 WAS INITIALLY SHOWN AS A PRESERVED MULTI TRUNK PROTECTED TREE, A PRESERVED MULTI TRUNK, SO, THEY WERE PRESERVING IT AS A PROTECTED TREE BACK THEN.

I'M NOT SURE THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THAT ONE. I'D HAVE TO PULL UP THE ORIGINAL SURVEY.

IT MIGHT BE SHOWN HERE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND APPRECIATE THOSE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MEET WITH AND CORRESPOND, THIS WEEKEND. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S TIME IS VALUABLE. AGAIN, MY NAME IS MATT BENTON WITH LAND DESIGN, 2517 ALPHA ROAD, SUITE 140, DALLAS, TEXAS. TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION, IT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL, TREE SURVEY THAT WAS USED FOR, THE REZONING, THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. IT WAS TREE 212, AND IT WAS IDENTIFIED AGAIN AS 19 INCHES AND 16 INCHES. IT WAS NOTED AS HEALTHY, AS PART OF, OF PHASE ONE IN THE MULTIFAMILY. WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH AND TAKE OUT ALL THE TREES THAT WEREN'T REQUIRED FOR PHASE, ONE BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME STIPULATIONS, WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENT PORTIONS IN HERE. SO, IT WAS NOTED IN THE BILLABLE AREA TO BE REMOVED, BUT IN WORKING WITH STAFF, WAS NOTED AS PART OF PHASE TWO. SO, IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED, AT THE TIME WHEN WE KNEW, WHAT THAT CALIPER SIZE WAS AND WHAT THE SPECIMEN TREE REQUIREMENTS WERE, THAT WOULD BE REMOVED AT A LATER TIME.

ALL RIGHT, SO, YOUR, YOUR STAMP IS ON THE ORIGINAL EXHIBIT.

CORRECT.

AND YOUR STAMP'S ON THE CURRENT EXHIBIT. SO, YOU, THE GOOD THING IS THAT YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THIS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YES.

PROJECT FROM THE BEGINNING.

AND IN THE EMAIL TO ME, YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE REPRESENTING YOUR CLIENT, WHICH IS TRAMMEL CROW.

CORRECT.

SO HEY, TRAMMEL CROW HIRED YOUR ORGANIZATION TO DO THE TREE SURVEY? IS THAT HOW THAT PROCESS NORMALLY WORKS? NO, TYPICALLY THEY HIRE A SURVEYOR OR ARBORIST TO GO OUT THERE, SURVEY THE TREES. WE GET THAT INFORMATION FROM, THE SURVEYOR, AND THEN WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, THE CHARTS, THE, DOCUMENTATION, AND WE INTERPRET THAT TO MEET THE TOWN REQUIREMENTS, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT WAS PART OF THIS TABLE AND THE EXHIBIT AS FAR AS THE TREE REMOVAL.

SO, YOU HIRE A TREE SURVEY? NO.

FIRM? WHO DOES THE ACTUAL SURVEYING, GOING OUT AND MEASURING THE TREES? THAT WOULD BE TCR OR THE, THE APPLICANT.

YEAH, WE DO IT. SORRY, THIS IS MEGAN SMITH. I'M REPRESENTING, DEVELOPMENT OF ALEXAN PHASE 02, OR EXCUSE ME, ALEXAN FLOWER MOUND PHASE 2, THE POINT. I BELIEVE THE INITIAL TREE SURVEY WAS DONE BY BLUE SKY.

I DID ACTUALLY WORK ON PHASE 2 10 YEARS AGO, OR EXCUSE ME, PHASE 1 10 YEARS AGO. I DON'T, I BELIEVE THAT THAT SURVEY IS IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE DO HAVE RECORD OF IT.

AND I THINK THAT THE SURVEY COMPANY WAS BLUE SKY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY ENGAGED THEM OR IF DIRECT DEVELOPMENT, WHO TOOK THE POINT THROUGH ZONING, DID.

BUT WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE THOSE DETAILS, AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INITIAL SURVEY.

WELL, IT JUST, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, I WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THAT TREE, AND I SAW YOUR EXHIBIT AND WITH THE 19 AND THE 16, AND I DON'T SEE HOW ANY PERSON WHO'S AN EXPERT IN THIS FIELD WOULD POSSIBLY LOOK AT THAT TREE AND THINK THAT THAT WAS TWO TREES.

AND THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE JAKE HERE. I WISH HE WAS HERE 9 YEARS AGO, BECAUSE IF HE HAD BEEN OUT THERE VALIDATING THIS WORK, HE WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT, AND WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS TREE, AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE EXHIBIT, AND THAT THE EXHIBIT I'M HOLDING IN MY HAND, WHICH HAS NO SPECIMEN TREE, OR A, YEAH, SPECIMEN TREE IN THAT LOCATION. AND THIS WAS A VERY CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT.

IT ONLY PASSED 3 TO 2. THERE WERE 3 TIMES AS MANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION AS THERE WERE IN SUPPORT. AND IF SOMEONE IN 2017 HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THAT QUESTION OF WHAT CAN WE DO TO SAVE THIS TREE, AND NOW WE HAVE TO ASK THAT QUESTION 9 YEARS LATER, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE, BUT THAT'S THE SITUATION WE'RE IN BECAUSE SOMEBODY DROPPED THE BALL. SO, THE QUESTION, MATT, IS IF THIS GETS DENIED, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MODIFY THIS PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN SAVE THAT TREE? WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND RELOOK AT THE OVERALL PLAN, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. WE WILL PROBABLY GO THROUGH, THE, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT, AN AMENDMENT, THROUGH REZONING. WE'VE LOOKED AT CAN WE SHIFT,

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CAN WE NOT SHIFT? WE'RE, WE'RE SOMEWHAT LOCKED IN WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2017, SO, WE'D HAVE TO WORK THROUGH ALL, THOSE ITEMS AGAIN.

YEAH, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT, IT AFFECTS ONE BUILDING AND SOME PARKING.

CORRECT.

AND I THINK THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A WILLINGNESS ON COUNCIL TO MAKE A MODIFICATION TO SAVE THAT TREE. WE TYPICALLY WANT TO SAVE TREES. THE PROBLEM I HAVE IN MOVING FORWARD IS IT, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY DROPPED THE BALL, BUT IT'S I CAN'T RATIONALIZE IT. I CAN'T LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, THIS IS DEFINITELY, ANYBODY COULD LOOK AT THIS AND THINK IT'S TWO TREES. LET ME MEASURE IN TWO PLACES. IT LOOKS MORE LIKE SOMEBODY WAS, YOU KNOW, STRETCHING THE DEFINITION OF CO DOMINANT TRUNKS OR SPLIT TRUNKS TO A WAY THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT TREE TO BE REMOVED WITHOUT ANY SCRUTINY, AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. SO, THAT'S SHAME ON US, BECAUSE IF JAKE HAD BEEN HERE, WE NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE THAT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT, TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THAT TREE CAN BE SAVED.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, THIS CONVERSATION SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED 9 YEARS AGO, BUT IT HAS TO HAPPEN NOW.

WELL, IT'S NOT A DISEASED TREE.

NO.

IT'S A LARGE, IT'S A LARGE CALIBER TREE.

IT'S THE BIGGEST TREE ON THE PROPERTY.

IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION, AND IT IT'S, IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO CUT THAT DOWN. SO, W I MEAN, HE'S, THEY'VE COME BACK FOR THIS, SO.

WE CAN, WE CAN DENY IT TONIGHT.

WE CAN AND THEN BRING IT BACK.

THEY CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE PATH FORWARD, WHICH WOULD BE THE EASIEST WAY.

SORRY, GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD.

I WAS, I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ITEMS THAT WE CAN TALK THROUGH AND WORK THROUGH IF WE WANT TO, TO TABLE. I DO KNOW THAT WE, IN AUGUST, I BELIEVE IT WAS, YEAH, WE'RE IN SEPTEMBER, WE DID TABLE THE INITIAL DISCUSSION. I PERSONALLY, I TRAVEL AND WANTED TO BE HERE, AND WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD APPROPRIATE OUTREACH TO, THE ENTIRE COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TABLE, TO WORK THROUGH IT, I WILL SAY, CONCEPT PLAN AND DATING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, 2017, WE HAVE TRIED TO BUILD IN ACCORDANCE TO THE PD, KEEPING OUR BUILDING PLACEMENT, KEEPING OUR STREET PLACEMENT, AND TRULY ADHERING TO, TO THE PD AND WHAT WAS WORKED THROUGH 10 YEARS AGO. THE DURATION OF TIME AND THE ADDITIONAL GROWTH THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE. I'M NO EXPERT IN TREES.

WELL, LET'S I MEAN, I'M SENSITIVE.

SORRY.

WELL, LET'S HEAR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL SO, WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW IF THERE YOU CAN DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE COUNCIL BECAUSE IT, IT, IT SOUNDS, I'M GATHERING THAT COUNCIL IS IN AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT CAN BE DONE.

ALTERNATIVES.

SO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FEELING THE SAME WAY.

HOW'S I AGREE WITH THAT. IF WE WOULD HAVE REVIEWED THIS 9 YEARS AGO, I THINK THE COUNCIL BACK THEN PROBABLY WOULD HAVE FELT THE SAME WAY, TRY TO SAVE A TREE.

DOESN'T, I MEAN, JUST CONCEPTUALLY, NOT KNOWING A LOT ABOUT THE SITE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD REARRANGE SOMETHING TO MAKE IT FIT. IT'S KIND OF BORDERLINE. YEAH.

OKAY, SO, WE ALREADY HAVE A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO, WHO WANT TO SEE THIS TABLED.

YEAH, I MEAN, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO YEAH.

I MEAN, I WOULD JUST DENY THE PERMIT, AND THEN THAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT PROCESS.

BUT IF TABLING IT IS IF A PROCESS THAT'S A COURTESY TO YOU, I WOULD CERTAINLY WHAT IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN COME BACK SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

IF YOU CAN'T, TABLING IT.

WOULD HAVE TO BE DENIED.

OKAY, SO, YOU THINK JUST A STRAIGHT DENIAL IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT WAY TO GO? I'D LIKE TO IF THEY COME BACK.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE SOMETHING, AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE SOMETHING.

IF WE TABLE IT, THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE'VE CHANGED IT. WELL, THE TREE DOESN'T, THEN IT'S IRRELEVANT.

RIGHT. YEAH, I GUESS THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. SO, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR EARLIER CONCERN, SO, POST OAK GROW VERY SLOW.

SOME OF THESE SPECIMEN TREES THAT WERE ANALYZED 9 YEARS AGO, LIKE ONE OF THEM IS 22.6 INCHES. 22 IS OUR THRESHOLD FOR A SPECIMEN TREE, SO, IT'S GROWN 0.6 INCHES AT THE MOST IN THAT 9 YEARS.

SO, THIS TREE WAS PROBABLY A 28-INCH TREE 9 YEARS AGO, NOW IT'S A 28-AND-A-HALF-INCH TREE.

I WOULD, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT. SO, IT'S NOT, IT'S MORE THAN AN OVERSIGHT, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

AND, SO, I THINK IT'S WORTH, ALLOWING. NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE ANY PROHIBITION FOR IF YOU GO BACK AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK, AND THEN WE COME BACK AND HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS TREE. WE DON'T NEED TO TABLE IT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. SO, IF WE DENY IT TONIGHT, THAT TRIGGERS THE PROCESS, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK THROUGH THE, REZONING AS NECESSARY, IF THAT'S NECESSARY, AND THEN WE CAN GET THIS MOVING FORWARD.

YEAH, SO, TABLING IS NOT AN OPTION? I MEAN, IT JUST DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING OR IMPROVE.

THAT MAKE SENSE? YES.

I THINK SO.

WAIT, LET BRENDAN COME IN.

I JUST WONDER IF WE COULD HAVE

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A BRIEF OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT IN THE BACK, JUST YEAH.

DISCUSS THIS YEAH.

UNDER CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ACTION.

ALL RIGHT, SO, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT, OR THIS IS, I'M SORRY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. WE DO WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. REAL QUICK, DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

THE VERBIAGE REAL QUICK. THE TIME IS NOW 8:25. WE ARE GOING INTO CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTERS 551, SECTION 07. WHAT SECTION IS THIS? 071? 071 ONLY.

WE'LL BE BACK. GOOD EVENING, FLOWER MOUND. THE TIME IS NOW 08:35. WE ARE RECONVENING BACK INTO OPEN SESSION. THERE IS, ACTION TO BE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF THE CLOSED SESSION, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, PD RATHER THAN A ZONING CHANGE.

COUNCIL, DO YOU WISH TO DISCUSS AND THEN MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, SO, JUST, THIS IS A PD, NOT A STRAIGHT ZONING. SO, YOU ARE KIND OF THE PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDINGS, THE EXHIBITS, YOU ARE, YOU CAN'T REALLY MODIFY THEM WITHOUT SOME KIND OF AN ADJUSTMENT TO THAT. SO, THE TABLING MAKES MORE SENSE PROCESS WISE TO, AS A COURTESY TO YOU. SO, IS THERE A FUTURE MEETING DATE THAT YOU HAVE IN MIND FOR WHEN YOU'D WANT THIS TO BE RECONSIDERED, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO WORK ON THAT? WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT, AND THEN YOU JUST NOTIFY, THE STAFF WHEN YOU'RE READY TO COME BACK.

YEAH, LET US COME BACK WITH, SOME OPTIONS AND WORK WITH Y'ALL, SET UP SOME MORE MEETINGS, AND THEN SET UP A TIME AT A DIFFERENT DATE.

OKAY, SO, THEN WE'LL JUST MAKE IT ON A DATE OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, BASED ON YES.

FUTURE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

LET ME ZOOM IN JUST A HAIR.

OKAY, GREAT.

ALL RIGHT.

I SAID MOTION, BUT I MEANT ACTION.

YEAH, NO, I THINK YOU, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, YEAH.

WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.

NO, I THINK WE DO NEED TO MAKE A MOTION, JUST FOR THE TABLING.

TO TABLE.

OKAY, GOOD. SO, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION. I'LL MOVE TO TABLE, REGULAR ITEM K6 SECOND.

UNTIL A DATE DETERMINED BY THE APPLICANT.

OKAY, YOU CAN TAKE THE ROLL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER.

OKAY, K6 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS I

[K.7. SP25-0023 - Argyle High School Bus Parking - Public Hearing to consider a request for a Site Plan (SP25-0023 – Argyle High School Bus Parking) to install bus parking for the Argyle ISD, with an exception to section 82-302, Compatibility buffer, of the Code of Ordinances. The property is generally located south of Canyon Falls Drive between Denton Creek Boulevard and Stonecrest Road. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 4 to 1 at its August 10, 2026, meeting.) (On August 17, 2026 the Town Council moved to table this item to its September 21, 2026, meeting by a vote of 3 to 0)]

MEAN, DOES NOT PASS BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. IT IS TABLED.

ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BRINGING BACK ITEM K7, THE ARGYLE HIGH SCHOOL BUS PARKING. LEXIN IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING ON THIS.

I WANT TO RESCHEDULE THAT.

REBOOT THE COMPUTER. JUST KEEP RESCHEDULING.

YEAH, THERE.

YES. NOW WE'RE GETTING IT. TOMORROW. I KNOW. OKAY, HOPEFULLY THAT WORKED. AND IT WILL NOT RESTART IN A MOMENT.

THAT'S RAIN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL.

HERE PRESENTING THE ARGYLE HIGH SCHOOL BUS PARKING SITE PLAN. AS MENTIONED, THIS WAS, TABLED PREVIOUSLY. IT WENT TO, P AND Z BACK IN AUGUST. SO, HERE IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S SOUTH OF CANYON FALLS AND NORTH OF CROSS TIMBERS. HERE'S A MORE DETAILED VIEW. PROPERTY IS ALREADY DEVELOPED WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE FOOTBALL STADIUM. NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING IN BUS PARKING HERE IN THIS AREA. SO, LAND USE IS INSTITUTIONAL WITHIN THE DENTON CREEK DISTRICT. THE ZONING IS PD98 WITH SINGLE FAMILY 10 USES, WHICH DOES ALLOW A SCHOOL AND ASSOCIATED USES. HERE IS A MORE CLOSE UP VIEW OF THAT AREA OF THE SITE PLAN. SEE, THAT'S WHERE THE BUS PARKING WOULD BE, AND SO, THIS COULD BE SOME LONG-TERM STORAGE OF BUSES, AND SO, THAT'S WHY, THERE IS A MASONRY SCREENING WALL THAT'S INCLUDED

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ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS NOT RELATED TO, THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFER. IT IS A SEPARATE SCREENING REQUIREMENT FOR, STORAGE, OUTDOOR STORAGE. SO, HERE IS SOME PICTURES FROM THE SITE.

THIS IS LOOKING DIRECTLY SOUTH.

HERE WE ARE LOOKING WEST. A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH, LOOKING WEST. HERE WE ARE LOOKING EAST. SO, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. IN 2019, THE SITE RECEIVED APPROVAL OF A COMPATIBILITY BUFFER MODIFICATION TO LOCATE THE BUFFER WITHIN 75 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE DUE TO EXISTING EASEMENTS. THE SITE ALSO RECEIVED APPROVAL TO WAIVE THE 6-FOOT TUBULAR STEEL FENCING REQUIREMENT ON THE PROPERTY LINE AT THAT TIME. SO, JUST TO GIVE YOU A REFRESHER OF THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFER STANDARDS, 82 302 OF THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES THAT SCHOOLS PROVIDE A MINIMUM LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH NATIVE SHADE TREES, A MINIMUM OF 3-INCH CALIPER, AND PROVIDED AT A RATIO OF 1 TREE PER 800 SQUARE FEET OF BUFFER AREA. A WAIVER OR MODIFICATION REQUIRES APPROVAL BY COUNCIL. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A PARTIAL EXCEPTION TO, JUST WAIVE THIS REQUIREMENT FOR APPROXIMATELY 803 LINEAR FEET OF THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.

SO, IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE EXTENT OF THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE OF THE SCHOOL SITE. IT'S ONLY FOR THE SECTION IDENTIFIED IN RED. THESE TREES ARE, THERE ARE, WERE SOME TREES THAT WERE INITIALLY PLANTED BACK WITH THE 2019 DEVELOPMENT.

THOSE WOULD BE REMOVED, FOR TO BUILD THE PROPOSED BUS PARKING LOT. THESE, THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE ARE SHRUBS. SO, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT YOU'RE NOT THINKING, WELL, THERE'S SOME TREES THERE.

THOSE ARE ACTUALLY SHRUBS, THEY'RE NOT, THE ASSOCIATED TREES. HERE AGAIN IS THAT SITE PLAN, AND SO, I DID WANT TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE STAFF GOT, SOME QUESTIONS AFTERWARD IF THERE WAS ANY POSSIBILITY TO KIND OF MOVE THE MASONRY WALL TO PUT THE LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT, AND NOT REALLY ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THE, THE SITE LAYOUT AS IT IS. THERE IS THIS 50-FOOT, UTILITY EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALL ALONG. IT'S KIND OF THIS FIRST 50 FEET OF AREA. SO, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THE, THE ORIGINAL COMPATIBILITY BUFFER HAD TO BE SHIFTED NORTH BECAUSE IT COULDN'T BE LOCATED WITHIN THE UTILITY EASEMENTS.

THE TOWN DOESN'T WANT TREES, PLANTED WITHIN OUR, OUR UTILITY EASEMENTS. THE ROOTS CAN GROW INTO, THE LINES, MESS UP THE DRAINAGE, THAT SORT OF THING. SO, AND THE ACTUAL WALL, LIKE I MENTIONED, IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE ITSELF. IT'S NOT KIND OF IN THE AREA OF THE LANDSCAPING BECAUSE IT IS A SCREENING WALL FOR THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AS OPPOSED TO BEING PART OF THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFER.

SO, HERE AGAIN IS THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN. CAN YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY HERE, THE BUS PARKING SPACES. THIS IS DETENTION THERE TO THE WEST.

THEY DID PLANT SOME ADDITIONAL TREES, TO KIND OF CREATE LARGER ISLAND AREAS, PER THE TOWN'S CODE FOR OVERSIZED PARKING LOTS, PARKING SPACE LOTS. HERE IS THE ELEVATIONS FOR THAT MASONRY WALL THAT WAS DISCUSSED, AND FOR THE, THERE ARE FUEL TANKS THAT ARE ALSO BEING PUT IN WITH THE, BUS PARKING. SO, THERE'S THE SITE PLAN, THE CAPTION, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

DOES ANYONE ELSE? YEAH.

SO, JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, LEXIN, BECAUSE OF THE QUESTIONS WE'D HAD FROM, RESIDENTS, THAT THERE IS NO WAY TO SCREEN THE MASONRY WALL ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE MASONRY WALL BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENTS.

WITH, YES. BASED ON THIS SITE PLAN, NO. THERE IS NOT A WAY TO, TO DO THAT.

AND THE PROPERTY ABUTTING FROM THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST, IS THAT RESIDENTIAL BROOKVIEW? YES, THAT WILL BE BROOKVIEW.

THERE ARE NOT PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT YET CONSTRUCTED, THOSE HOMES, YEAH.

BUT IT WILL BE RESIDENTIAL.

YEAH, OKAY.

OKAY. IS THERE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

WELL, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION.

THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY, THEY DO.

THEY CAN COME FORWARD.

HI. MY NAME IS KEVIN BO, REPRESENTING, REPRESENTING THE GOUDAMS. I'M AT, WE ARE IN, WE'RE TRYING TO, LIKE LEXI SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO GET ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE SCHOOL, AND THE BUSES WILL BE FOR STORAGE. AND WE'RE DOING,

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THE BEST WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT, WE'RE BIDDING THE CODE AND ALL THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE EASEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND WITHIN THAT EASEMENT, IT'S THE 50-FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT, AND WITHIN THAT EASEMENT IS A COMPATIBILITY BUFFER, AND THEN WITHIN THAT IT'S ALSO A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT. SO, WITHIN THAT, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO JUST DO SO BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANY PLANTINGS IN THERE. I THINK MOST OF THIS WAS DISCUSSED. AND THEN IN THIS HERE, YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS THE, PUBLIC ACCESS OR PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT.

AND THEN WITHIN HERE, YOU CAN KIND OF, SLIGHTLY SEE ON THE SOUTH SIDE HERE, WITHIN THE 25 FEET HERE IS THE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT, AND THEN NORTH OF THAT IS EXISTING, PUBLIC, COMPATIBILITY BUFFER. AND THEN THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ASKING TO DO THE ADDITIONAL, 25 FEET NORTH. THAT WAY WE CAN, AVOID DOING ANY PLANNINGS WITHIN THIS EASEMENT. AND THE WATER LINE AND SEWER LINE, I THINK WATER AND SEWER IS CLOSER TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS EASEMENT. SO, ANY FURTHER WOULD, WOULD BE, WOULD ENCROACH INTO, PARKING LOT. AND IN RED, YOU CAN SEE THE HIGHLIGHT HERE.

I'M SORRY, WHAT WOULD BE IN THAT RED AREA THAT YOU HAD HIGHLIGHTED ON THE LAST CHART? THIS RED, WITHIN THIS RED WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, IS A 5-FOOT SHRUB, AND EVENTUALLY, WITHIN THE YEARS IT'LL GROW UP TO 12 TO 13 FEET, TALL, AND THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE SCREENING.

OKAY, I'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THAT HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT I'LL LET YOU FINISH THE PRESENTATION.

THEN THESE ARE JUST PICTURES OF THE MASONRY WALL. AND HERE'S THE TANK, THAT WE WERE PROVIDING. AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

AND YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON THE SCREENING? I DO. SO, AS WAS MENTIONED JUST A MINUTE AGO, JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THAT'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL.

WITH THE BUS BARN, WITH THE FUELING, WILL THESE BUSES BE IDLING IN THERE? AND THE REASON I'M WONDERING IS JUST FOR NOISE TO THE, HOW WILL THE NOISE OF THAT, FACILITY IMPACT THE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT IS GOING TO BE STORAGE, SO, THEY WON'T BE ACTIVE.

IT'S MAINLY JUST GOING TO BE FUELING, AND THEY'LL JUST BE STATIONARY HERE, WITH THE MASONRY WALL ON THE FAR SOUTH, THAT SHOULD HELP WITH THE NOISE. AND THEN BESIDES THAT, THAT'S ALL I KNOW AT THE MOMENT.

WHAT, WHAT TIME SO, YOU SAY STORAGE, IS THAT BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL, I PRESUME? SO, IN THE MORNINGS THEY COME IN THERE AND START THE BUSES UP, LET THEM WARM UP IN THE WINTER FOR A FEW MINUTES, AND THEN HEAD OUT TO RUN THE ROUTES? IS THAT, IS THAT A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF THE STORAGE, SO, LIKE OVERNIGHT STORAGE? HELLO, THIS IS JEFF COHEN. I'M CONSTRUCTION MANAGER WITH THE DISTRICT IN ARGYLE, TEXAS. SO, YES, THIS IS WHERE WE'D STORE BUSES.

THEY WOULD GO OUT ON ROUTES DAILY, MORNING AND AFTERNOON.

OKAY, AND SO, GOING BACK TO THE, THE, THE SHRUBS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE, THAT'LL BE ON THE INSIDE, YOU KNOW, SO, THE, THE RESIDENTS TO THE SOUTH ARE GOING TO LOOK TO THE NORTH, THEY'LL SEE THE, THE MASONRY WALL. THEN BEHIND THAT, THERE'LL BE THE SHRUBS. AND WILL THOSE SHRUBS GROW UP? YOU SAID THEY'LL GROW UP OVER TIME. COULD YOU REMIND ME, HOW TALL IS THAT MASONRY, SCREENING, AND HOW TALL DO YOU EXPECT THOSE SHRUBS TO BE? I BELIEVE THE MASONRY WALL IS 6 FEET TALL, AND THE SHRUBS WILL, POTENTIALLY BE 12 TO 13 FOOT TALL.

WHAT SHRUBS DID YOU ALL DECIDE ON? I HAVE NOTES THAT SAY IT'S THE NELLY R. STEVENS HOLLY. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO? JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A SHRUB THAT'S GOING TO BE DISEASED VERY EASILY.

NOT A PATINA OR SOMETHING.

LET'S NOT DO PATINAS.

I BELIEVE THEY ARE NELLY R.

STEVENS SHRUBS.

OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE NOTED.

YEAH, THOSE ARE EVERGREENS, SO. THAT'S GOOD.

I SUPPOSE EVERGREENS ARE PRETTY FAST GROWING. ARE THESE SOME OF THOSE FAST-GROWING ONES, DO YOU KNOW? I UNFORTUNATELY DO NOT KNOW.

OKAY, AND I APOLOGIZE. THE REASON I'M PICKING ON THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE NEW RESIDENTIAL COME IN JUST SOUTH OF IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS TO OUR RESIDENTS THAT AREN'T HERE YET. AND OBVIOUSLY I BELIEVE THIS WILL PROBABLY BE CONSTRUCTED BEFORE A LOT OF THOSE HOMES ARE CONSTRUCTED, BUT YEAH, JUST IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF NOISE FROM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THOSE BUSES GET IDLED IN THE MORNING BEFORE THEY HEAD OUT IN THE WINTER ESPECIALLY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF HEAD OFF ANY FUTURE RESIDENTIAL COMPLAINTS OR

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RESIDENTIAL, CONCERNS WITH THIS IN THE FUTURE. AND IF THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN ENSURE OURSELVES THAT THE MASONRY WALL IS OF A SUFFICIENT HEIGHT, THEN TO SUPPLEMENT THAT BEHIND THAT YOU HAVE SOME EVERGREENS THAT PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL VISUAL AND, AUDIO SCREENING. I THINK THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR ALL OF US, FROM THE TOWN AND THE, THE ISD PERSPECTIVES. SO, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, IS THIS SUFFICIENT TO, MITIGATE THOSE POTENTIAL CONCERNS, FROM RESIDENTS THAT'LL, BE TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST OF THIS PARKING LOT? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT, BUT, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL CONCERNS, WE CAN LOOK INTO, IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN HELP ALLEVIATE THE CONCERNS.

SO.

BRIAN, I LOOKED THAT UP, THAT HOLLY GROWS FAST. IT'S 2 TO 3 FEET PER YEAR.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A, A BUS BARN, A BUS DEPOT WITHIN, WHAT, HOW MANY, 50, 60 FEET AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL LOTS? SO, THESE BUSES WILL BE LEAVING AT 6 AM TO GO PICK UP KIDS.

THEY WILL.

YEAH, AND THEN RETURNING FROM HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAMES MAYBE AT MIDNIGHT? POSSIBLY.

YEAH. IT JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE VERY INCOMPATIBLE USE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.

WELL, AT THE, I CAN TELL YOU AT THE TIME WE STARTED PLAYING THIS, IT WAS NOT RESIDENTIALLY ZONED.

IT WAS YEAH, IT WAS INDUSTRIAL.

COMMERCIAL AT THAT POINT OR INDUSTRIAL.

THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS ON THIS SITE AS WELL, SO, WE ARE BUILDING IT OUT RATHER RAPIDLY RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

DOES ANYONE WISH TO MAKE COMMENT DURING THIS TIME? AND WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS, SO, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MAYOR, I JUST WANTED, AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A POINT OF INFORMATION FOR THE COUNCIL. AND LIKE I SAID, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT IS NOT THE CASE OF A MASONRY WALL AND THE LANDSCAPING BEING PART OF A COMPATIBILITY BUFFER, BUT THAT IS HOW OUR NORMAL COMPATIBILITY BUFFER STANDARD WORKS. IT IS A MASONRY WALL WITH THE LANDSCAPING BEHIND IT, AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEY DO THAT, LIKE, RIGHT ON THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE, SO, YOU WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE TO WALK OUT ONTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY TO MAINTAIN THE TREES AND THE LANDSCAPING. SO, THAT'S WHY WE, WE PUT THE WALL, LIKE, RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN PUT THE LANDSCAPING IMMEDIATELY BEHIND IT, WITH THE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD JUST GROW OVER IN THE BACK AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL KIND OF GREENERY AND WHATNOT BEHIND IT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT PERSPECTIVE THAT WHILE THIS IS NOT, THE WALL IS NOT DIRECTLY PART OF THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFER, THAT IS HOW OUR NORMAL COMPATIBILITY BUFFER STANDARD WORKS, IS THE LANDSCAPING BEHIND THE WALL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, WE CAN DELIBERATE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE COMMENTS? YEAH, SO, MY, MY THOUGHTS ARE THE CONCERNS I JUST MENTIONED.

I DO BELIEVE AISD WANTS TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND GOOD PARTNERS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, THIS APPROACH, YOU KNOW, IS REASONABLE FROM A TOWN PERSPECTIVE, REASONABLE FROM THE ISD PERSPECTIVE, AND IF THERE ARE CONCERNS IN THE FUTURE, I THINK THEY'LL WORK TO, ADDRESS NEIGHBOR CONCERNS.

SO, I WILL SUPPORT THIS.

JEAN VILLIERS. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I ANY OTHER COUNSEL? YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK THEY'RE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BUT I, I JUST, COMPATIBILITY WISE, IT'S RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH NOW.

YEAH, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE JUST NOT SHIELDING THE RESIDENTS ENOUGH YEAH, I MEAN, FROM THIS HIGH IMPACT USE.

YEAH, LIKE PUTTING A TRUCK STOP BEHIND SOMEBODY'S HOUSE, TO BE HONEST. PUT A POINT.

I MEAN, THE APPLICANT'S NOT WRONG, THOUGH, THAT THIS IS INSTITUTIONAL USE HAS BEEN HERE, AND WE MASTER PLANNED AN INDUSTRIAL AREA FOR RESIDENTIAL USE BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T WANT THE INDUSTRIAL USE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPATIBLE WITH THIS.

SO, I'M, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT.

I AM TOO, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS PLANNED TO BE A, A BUS PARKING AREA AT THAT TIME.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT COULD HAVE BEEN MANY USES.

AND I MEAN, WE, WE DID CHANGE THAT ZONING 4 YEARS AGO.

YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. IT DOES HAVE A 60-FOOT COMPATIBILITY BUFFER, IT LOOKS LIKE, AND THEY'VE DEFINITELY PICKED THE BEST POSSIBLE LANDSCAPE TO PROVIDE A SCREEN. I MEAN, IF I GUESS I WOULD DEFER TO BRIAN ON THIS. IF BRIAN FEELS LIKE HE'S THE, THE CLOSEST RESIDENT, IF HE FEELS LIKE THIS IS GOOD FOR WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, IT SAYS 60-FOOT BUILDING SETBACK IN A COUPLE OF PLACES ON HERE, SO, I'M ASSUMING, LEXIN, THAT IT'S 60 FEET FROM THE MASONRY WALL TO THE PARKING.

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YEAH, THIS AREA IT, WELL, THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW THEIR PLAN AS WELL. LET ME GET TO MINE.

HAVE WE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEET? I GUESS THAT'S A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. HOW, HOW CLOSE ARE THE FUEL TANKS? HAVE YOU ALL GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS? I HAVEN'T SEEN.

THERE'S NO RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE.

YEAH, THERE'S NO RESIDENTS THERE.

IT'S JUST A COMPATIBILITY.

BUT EVEN IN THAT GENERAL AREA.

THIS FROM SOME RESIDENTS HAVE EXPRESSED, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN.

CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE THE RESIDENTS I'VE HEARD FROM HAVE SAID THEY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THIS DENIED, BUT THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE AS WELL AS POSSIBLE, AND KIND OF WHAT BRIAN HAS STATED. I WOULD SAY, BRIAN, THAT WHAT YOUR FEEDBACK IS SIMILAR TO THE 2 RESIDENTS ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN THAT I'VE HEARD FROM, WHICH IS, YEAH, I HAVEN'T.

THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR A DENIAL, THEY JUST WANT THE BEST POSSIBLE COMPATIBILITY ACCOUNTED FOR. THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD. SO, I'M TRYING TO LOOK FOR IMPROVEMENTS, BUT I'M NOT FINDING A LOT OTHER THAN PUTTING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE ELSE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT IT, SO, I MEAN, 4 YEARS AGO YOU COULD HAVE FIGURED OUT SOMEPLACE.

WITH THE, WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE MASONRY WALL, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT IF BRIAN'S IN FAVOR.

YEAH, THEY DIDN'T.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT LATE.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I WOULD VOTE WELL.

YEAH, AND I THINK I AM, AND IF WE COULD HAVE THAT POINT COME BACK UP, THE, FROM THE AISD REAL QUICK.

YEAH, YOU CAN COME ON.

YEAH, THANK YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU JUST TO PEEL BACK THE ONION JUST A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT IF, IF YOU GET SOME CONCERNS, YOU LOOK AT WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT, YOU KNOW, 5 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THE AREA TO THE SOUTH OF THIS BUS BARN IS BUILT OUT WITH RESIDENTIAL, AND THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE. OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW WHAT THAT SOLUTION WOULD BE AT THIS POINT, BUT IS THERE A COMMITMENT FROM THE DISTRICT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THOSE CONCERNS INTO HEART AND LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO, TO SATISFY YOUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH? DEFINITELY.

OKAY. BASED ON THAT COMMITMENT, AND KIND OF REITERATE THE POINTS THAT ADAM MADE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO, LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO IMPROVE THIS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A WAY TO IMPROVE IT.

SO, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUALITY THAT WE HAVE SO, FAR AND THE COMMITMENT FROM THE DISTRICT, I DO SUPPORT THIS.

OKAY, SO, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? SURE. I MOVE TO APPROVE REGULAR ITEM K7 AS PRESENTED.

COUNCILMEMBER WARNER? AYE.

OKAY, YOU TAKE.

COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS? AYE.

OKAY. ITEM K7 PASSES BY A VOTE OF 4 TO 1. ALL RIGHT, LEXIN,

NAY.

[K.8. SP26-0005 - Argyle HS Baseball & Softball Complex - Consider a request for a Site Plan (SP26-0005 - Argyle HS Baseball & Softball Complex) to develop a sports complex, with a request for additional height pursuant to Section 98- 1031(d), Additional height, of the Code of Ordinances; and with a waiver to the roof pitch requirement pursuant to Section 98-1163, Exterior wall construction for non-residential buildings, of the Code of Ordinances. The property is generally located south of Canyon Falls Drive and west of Stonecrest Road. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 4 to 3 at its September 14, 2026, meeting)]

YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL COMPLEX? THAT IS CORRECT. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE ARGYLE HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL COMPLEX. SO, IT'S ON THE SAME PROPERTY WE WERE LOOKING AT OVER ON THE EAST SIDE. IT'S A MORE DETAILED VIEW. AGAIN, LAND USE INSTITUTIONAL IN THE DENTON CREEK DISTRICT, ZONING PD98 WITH SF10 USES. SO, HERE IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT EAST PIECE THAT WAS STILL UNDEVELOPED, AND SO, YOU CAN SEE IT'S A BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL COMPLEX. THERE'S A DETENTION POND THERE. THERE IS ALSO, PRESS BOXES ASSOCIATED WITH THE TWO FIELDS. THERE'S A BATTING CAGE AND A FIELD HOUSE IN THIS AREA. HERE IT IS, IMAGE LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTH. AND THEN LOOKING EAST A LITTLE HIGHER UP. SO, THE REASON WHY THIS IS BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS, DUE TO A REQUESTED EXCEPTION TO PERMIT A ROOF PITCH OF 112.

THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES ROOF AND PARAPET ROOFS OF NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS 15,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS TO REFLECT HIP AND/OR GABLE STYLES THAT REPLICATE RESIDENTIAL SCALE AND PITCH BETWEEN 6 12 AND 9 12. THE FIELD HOUSE AND PRESS BOXES ARE PROPOSED TO HAVE A 1 12 ROOF PITCH.

THERE IS ALSO LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE THAT TALKS ABOUT KIND OF THE TIME WHEN IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO REQUEST THIS IS, WHEN IT'S NOT, PART OF OR IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, WHEN IT'S PART OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOBODY'S GOING TO MISTAKE THESE FOR HOUSES, BASICALLY. HERE IS THAT SITE PLAN AGAIN. WHEN THIS WENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THEY WERE ALSO, REQUESTING AN INCREASED HEIGHT, BUT THAT IS AN ITEM THAT,

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P&Z CAN APPROVE, AND IT WAS ONLY MAX OF ABOUT 2 FEET, INCREASE, BUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID APPROVE THAT AT THE PRIOR MEETING, SO, THE ONLY REQUEST BEFORE THE COUNCIL TONIGHT IS FOR THE ROOF PITCH. HERE IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. THEY ARE PROVIDING THE REQUIRED COMPATIBILITY BUFFER LANDSCAPING IN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS PART OF THE SITE, AS WELL AS, REQUIRED LANDSCAPING AROUND THE DETENTION POND, AND THEN JUST THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER REQUIRED AROUND THE, ADJACENT STREETS. THESE ARE ELEVATIONS OF, THE BASEBALL FIELD, SOFTBALL FIELD. THIS IS THE FIELD HOUSE. THIS IS FOR THE BATTING CAGES. THERE'S NOT A REQUESTED ROOF PITCH WAIVER NEEDED FOR THIS BECAUSE IT'S UNCONDITIONED SPACE. AND THEN THIS IS SHOWING THE, WALL THAT THEY'RE INSTALLING.

SO, AGAIN, THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN. THEY DID ALSO DO A PARKING ANALYSIS, AND USING THE CALCULATION THAT THE TOWN HAS USED FOR ALL THE OTHER, FIELDS AND SCHOOLS, WITHIN THE TOWN, THEY ARE MEETING THAT REQUIRED STANDARD WITHIN THE PLUS OR MINUS 20% DEVIATION. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION.

I THINK, LEXIN, WHEN I WAS WATCHING P&Z, YOU SAID THAT THE ROOF PITCH KIND OF FOLLOWS THE STANDARDS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED ALREADY BY THE, BY THE SCHOOL, YES.

KIND OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT, FOR THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE SITE.

OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN BRING THAT APPLICANT UP. GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS. I'M JORDANA.

I'M WITH PBK, AND I'M REPRESENTING THE CLIENT, ARGYLE HIGH SCHOOL.

SO, WE ARE HERE FOR THE ROOF PITCH EXCEPTION. I WILL GET TO THE SLIDE DESCRIBING EXACTLY WHAT ADJACENT STRUCTURES ALREADY HAVE, A SIMILAR ROOF PITCH AS WE ARE PROPOSING.

SO, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS AERIAL MAP, THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT I'M GOING TO USE AS REFERENCE ARE THESE TWO BUILDINGS HERE, AND OUR PROPOSED PROJECT LOCATION IS IN THIS AREA. THESE TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES ALSO HAVE A SLOPE THAT APPEARS TO BE WITHIN, THE 112 SLOPE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS BUILDING HERE ON THE LEFT, HAS A SLOPE SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE'RE PROPOSING TO THE BUILDING HERE ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS OUR FIELD HOUSE SITE ELEVATION, AND A SECOND BUILDING HERE THAT HAS A SIMILAR SLOPE. SO, BASICALLY HAVING A 612 WOULD MEAN THAT OUR ROOF WOULD PROBABLY MEET A, A HEIGHT OF 2 STORIES HIGH.

THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT. SIMILAR WITH THE ROOF PITCH ON THE BASEBALL CANOPIES, THERE WOULD BE A 112 INSTEAD OF THE 612 REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS THE SOFTBALL CANOPY. SAME DESIGN, SAME SLOPE. THIS IS A SIDE ELEVATION. THIS IS FOR THE, THE HEIGHT, BUT AS FAR AS THE SLOPE, THAT IS. THAT'S IT FOR ME. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I DON'T HAVE ANY FOR YOU, BUT, JUST ONE COMMENT. I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE THIS PITCH, EXCEPTION. I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THAT EXCEPTION. I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE GENTLEMAN FROM AISD, IF HE DOESN'T MIND COMING BACK UP REAL QUICK.

HEY, THANK YOU, AND THIS ISN'T RELATED TO THE PITCH EXCEPTION, BUT SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SOFTBALL COMPLEX, TALKING ABOUT BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS, I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME LOUDSPEAKERS IN THIS BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL COMPLEX.

RECENTLY, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE NOISE FROM THE FOOTBALL STADIUM ON FRIDAY NIGHTS, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS NOT TIED TO THIS APPLICATION AT ALL. I JUST AM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT TO POSE A QUESTION TO YOU.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF

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YOU'VE RECEIVED THOSE, CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS IN CANYON FALLS AS WELL, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF THOSE. AND IF, BETWEEN YOU AND JAMES OR SOMEONE FROM TOWNSTONE STAFF CAN KIND OF EDUCATE US ON WHAT, ARE THERE ANY ORDINANCES THAT, THAT, REGULATE THAT? AND THEN ALSO, WHAT CAN WE PASS ON TO OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS IF THEY DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SOUND OF THE LOUDSPEAKER AND THE PA FROM, FROM FRIDAY NIGHTS OR OTHER GAMES? SO, YES, I HAVE NOT DIRECTLY HEARD, BUT I HAVE HEARD THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, ONE OF THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED THAT WHEN WE WERE, AT THE MEETING. I'D SAY WE COULD WORK WITH TOWN STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO. THERE'S, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY LIMITED. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE LOUD SOUND IN ORDER FOR EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE AT THE GAME TO HEAR IT. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A LOT WE CAN DO. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY ORDINANCES THAT, THAT WOULD DIRECTLY APPLY TO THIS. YES, WE DO WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE ARE, YOU KNOW, DOING OUR BEST.

WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE LEVELS ONLY AT WHAT'S NEEDED, NOT CRANK IT ALL THE WAY UP TO 10.

WITH THIS BASEBALL PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT'S A SIMILAR SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE FOR THE STADIUM, WHERE IT'S A SINGLE POINT SOURCE OF SOUND, SO, IT WILL PROBABLY BE LOCATED WITHIN THE SCOREBOARD ITSELF, WHICH WILL BE IN THE OUTFIELD. SO, THAT SOUND WILL BE DIRECTED INWARD TOWARD THE CAMPUS, SO, NOT TOWARD NEIGHBORS IN CANYON FALLS. AND AGAIN, WE CAN LOOK AT KEEPING THE VOLUME AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. BASEBALL IS CERTAINLY NOT AS LOUD AS A FOOTBALL EVENT.

AND BRIAN, I RESPECT YOUR QUESTION ON THAT. SO, WE CAN, SINCE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WE, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND GENERALLY, DISCUSS THAT.

AND SOMEONE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

AT A LATER DATE.

I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY, MARY.

I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO BRING THAT FORWARD AT A LATER DATE? BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS.

AS, AS FAR AS, BECAUSE GENERALLY OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE THAT SPORTS USE IS, IS FAIRLY LIMITED AS FAR AS NOISE AND LIGHTS ASSOCIATED WITH A SPORTING EVENT.

BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS THAT UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING, WE CAN WORK WITH JEFF AND THE TEAM AT ARGYLE ISD TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE IT. BUT BY AND LARGE, BECAUSE IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE SPORTING EVENT, OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE IS FAIRLY LIMITED.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, THEY'LL HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, LET ME PIGGYBACK ON WHAT BRIAN WAS SAYING. SO, FIRST OF ALL, PBK, GREAT JOB.

LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. NO OBJECTION TO THE ROOF PITCH. I PLAN TO VOTE IN FAVOR.

BUT NOISE SOUND, FROM THE BASEBALL. I, SO, I LIVE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE MARCUS BASEBALL FACILITY, AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVERY KID'S GOT TO HAVE HIS WALK-UP MUSIC NOW, AND THE PA AT THE MARCUS FOOTBALL STADIUM, FOR SOME REASON, IS TWICE AS LOUD AS IT WAS A YEAR AGO. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE CLOSEST TO THAT FACILITY COMPLAIN ABOUT IS THAT THE PRACTICE, WHEN KIDS ARE OUT THERE PRACTICING, THEY WANT THEIR MUSIC AND THEIR NO THEIR LIGHTS, AND THEY WANT IT LOUD, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE TO, MAYBE PULL THAT DOWN A BIT, JUST A BIT. SO, IF EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK THEY'RE OUT THERE HITTING, YOU KNOW, DOING BATTING PRACTICE, THEY'RE NOT BLASTING IT ABOVE A CERTAIN VOLUME TO MAKE THOSE NEIGHBORS UNCOMFORTABLE.

I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, NO, NO, DESIRE TO IMPOSE ANY CONDITIONS ON YOU, JUST, YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IS, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT.

I AGREE. I THINK WE NEED TO STAY ON TASK, THOUGH. WE ARE, I, THIS IS A LONG DISCUSSION, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO GET ON WHAT, WHAT THIS AGENDA ITEM IS ABOUT.

NO, I THINK THIS IS RELEVANT TO BASEBALL.

WELL, IT AND, YEAH, I'M NOT PLANNING ON HOLDING THE, AGENDA ITEM HOSTAGE. I'M JUST WANT TO PROVIDE SOME GOOD CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK BEFORE YOU GO IN AND PUT YOUR BASEBALL FIELD IN, BECAUSE I TOO SAW THE EMAILS FROM CANYON FALLS. I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE MARCUS PRACTICE FACILITY, SO, I'M KIND OF AWARE OF WHAT'S THE COMPLAINTS ARE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE WORLD OF PA THAT WE GOT TO CRANK THE VOLUME UP TWICE AS LOUD AS IT WAS A YEAR AGO AND PLAY COM COMMERCIALS DURING EVERY BREAK AND MUSIC, BUT MAYBE JUST WHEN THEY'RE PRACTICING, WE KIND OF TURN THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT COULD PROBABLY GO A LONG WAY.

VERY GOOD.

OKAY, SO, NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ROOF PITCH.

YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE ROOF PITCH. I THINK IT WORKS IN THIS AREA, BUT I DO HAVE SOME GENERAL COMMENTS, IF YOU WILL ALLOW, MAYOR.

I THINK PLOWMAN REALLY TRIES TO BE GOOD PARTNERS WITH OUR ISD PARTNERS, WHETHER THAT'S LEWISVILLE, ARGYLE, AND I THINK WE'VE REALLY WORKED HARD WITH ARGYLE ON A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS, PARTICULARLY HEIGHT EXCEPTIONS FOR A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE PRESS BOX, GYMNASIUM, CLASSROOMS. SO, I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE ARGYLE, AS WELL AS OUR OTHER ISD PARTNERS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMING FORWARD, REALLY LOOK AT OUR ORDINANCES AND SEE IF YOU CAN MAKE IT FIT BEFORE YOU COME AND ASK FOR ANOTHER EXCEPTION. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH

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IT. I THINK THE ROOF PITCH REQUIREMENT IS, IS ACCEPTABLE IN THIS CASE. NOISE COMPLAINTS, I'VE ALSO SEEN THEM, SO, YEAH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING Y'ALL CAN DO TO ADDRESS IT, BUT OVERALL LOOKS FINE.

OKAY. YEAH. SAME? OKAY.

TRYING TO REMEMBER THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A PU, THIS IS A PU, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, IF YOU ALL WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.

I'M READY. MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM K8 AS PRESENTED FOR THE ROOF PITCH.

ACTUALLY, JANVIER MADE A SECOND FIRST. SHE BEAT YOU TO IT.

COUNCILMEMBER DREW.

COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS.

[L. BOARDS/COMMISSIONS]

COUNCILMEMBER WERNER.

OKAY. ITEM K8 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. WE ARE GOING TO GO OUT OF ORDER AGAIN. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SKIP ITEM K10 FOR RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO L, ITEM L, OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

SO, ON THIS, WE JUST HAD OUR, WORK SESSIONS LAST WEEK FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND, WE, WE DID OUR APPOINTMENTS. WE DID MISSED ONE APPOINTMENT WE ASSIGNED BARBARA KRAUS TO THE ENVIRONMENT OR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION COMMISSION, SO, WE DO NEED TO MOVE TO APPOINT HER.

MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO DO THAT.

I MOVE TO APPOINT BARBARA KRAUS TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION COMMISSION, PLACE 9 ALTERNATE, WITH A TERM EXPIRING 9/30/2027.

COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER? AYE.

OKAY. TAKE THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER DREW? AYE.

OKAY, THE APPOINTMENT PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. I APOLOGIZE, BARBARA KRAUS, THAT YOU WERE LEFT ON OFF ON THAT, BUT WE'VE FIXED THAT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE VETERANS LIAISON BOARD THERE WERE STILL A COUPLE POSITIONS LEFT, AND THERE WERE, I KNOW TRACY LOOKED UP SOME OF THE, APPLICATIONS, AND THERE WERE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT HAD, THAT ARE VETERANS. WE HAD TO FILL THOSE SPOTS WITH VETERANS, AND WE HAVE THE NAME OF VIVIAN ASHFORD AND MICHAEL LEISURE, WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THOSE ROLES. ARE YOU ALL, DO YOU ALL, DID YOU GET THE APPLICATION ON THEM? I WOULD PROBABLY WANT THEM TO INTERVIEW BEFORE I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE APPOINTING THEM, JUST PERSONALLY.

AGREED.

I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT EITHER ONE TO SAY YES OR NO.

YEAH, I DON'T EITHER.

I'M FINE WITH THAT. THE ONLY POSITIVE I SAW IS ON, VIVIAN ASHFORD IS THE SIMONSONS RECOMMENDED HER.

I DON'T KNOW THEM PERSONALLY.

DOES ANYONE KNOW THEM? I DON'T EITHER. OKAY, SO, WE CAN SET THAT UP.

MAYOR, IF THEY WANTED TO COME IN AT A FUTURE MEETING AT THIS AGENDA ITEM AND MAYBE HAVE A QUICK CONVERSATION, I'M SURE THAT WE QUICKLY GET THEM APPOINTED TO THE BOARD. YEAH.

[K.10. Atmos RRM Rate Tariffs - Consider approval of a resolution adopting Atmos Energy Corp., Mid-Tex Division's rate tariffs that reflect the negotiated rate change pursuant to the Rate Review Mechanism process.]