Jan 15, 2026 Town Council Work Session

[* A portion of this meeting is without audio *]

[C. WORK SESSION ITEM]

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AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF HOW THE BUILDING WORKS ON THE LOT, THE DIFFERENT STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS OR MECHANICAL

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WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT KIND OF THE INITIAL CODE AND ZONING REVIEW.

INITIAL DESIGN COST ESTIMATES. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEN ALSO IDENTIFICATION OF ANY ISSUES OR CONSTRAINTS OR RISKS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN IDENTIFIED UNTIL YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS, YOU MAY NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT THEM UNTIL YOU'RE THERE. BUT BEING ABLE TO DO THAT ON THAT INITIAL SCHEMATIC DESIGN HELPS YOU IN THE LONG RUN.

SO YOU HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE THINGS BEFORE YOU JUMP INTO THE FINAL DESIGN. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO IN THE FUTURE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FACILITY OPERATIONS AND BUSINESS PLAN THAT HASN'T STARTED YET.

AND THEN THERE ARE SOME BIG DECISION POINTS THAT ARE GOING TO NEED TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

THAT WILL PROBABLY NEED A LOT OF INPUT ON. BUT THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE BUILDING'S MADE OF, RIGHT? YOU TALK ABOUT MATERIALS, BUT YOU TALK ABOUT QUALITY OF MATERIALS, BUT THOSE COME AT A COST.

SO THAT NEXT SLIDE IS, YOU KNOW, QUALITY VERSUS COST VERSUS QUANTITY.

HOW BIG IS THE BUILDING? HOW NICE IS THE BUILDING? YOU KNOW, THE NICER AND BIGGER THE BUILDING IS, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT GETS. BUT WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN A BUDGET, SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME DECISION MAKING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THAT. AND THEN ALSO DURING THAT SCHEMATIC DESIGN WE'LL CONFIRM THAT BUILDING PROGRAMING.

SO ONCE EVERYTHING'S PROGRAMED YOU'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THESE INITIAL STEPS YOU JUST KIND OF DOUBLE SECOND LOOK AT IT, VERIFY THE PROGRAM STILL WORKS. AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE AND REQUEST FEEDBACK FROM THE CULTURAL ARTS AND TOWN COUNCIL THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. THERE'S A SCHEDULE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WILL GO MORE INTO THAT ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE, HOW OFTEN YOU EXPECT TO SEE US. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, THE GOAL THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS TO ALIGN ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AND COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY THAT WOULD USE UTILIZE THE FACILITY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE BEFORE WE INVEST IN THAT, IN THAT FINAL DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE, MICHAEL TINGLEY AND RICHARD MILLER WITH HOEFER WELKER AND BORA ARCHITECT TEAM AND THEY'LL PROVIDE SOME UPDATES BEYOND THAT.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER.

THANK YOU BRIAN. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, SOME OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR FACES.

SOME OF YOU I'M SEEING FOR THE FIRST TIME. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE.

THIS IS AN EXCITING PROJECT THAT WE'RE JUST AT THE VERY EARLIEST STAGES OF BEGINNING TO CRAFT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU MOSTLY INPUT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE COMMUNITY GOALS AND ASPIRATIONS THAT WE'RE HEARING, HOW WE'RE TRANSLATING THAT INTO HOW WE'RE SETTING A MISSION AND A VISION FOR THE PROJECT. THE MARKET ASSESSMENT THAT IS SHAPING WHAT WE THINK SHOULD BE IN THE FACILITY.

AND A LITTLE BIT OF THE SCHEDULE FOR WHERE WE'RE GOING.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THE STEERING COMMITTEE INTERVIEWEES, ETC.

AND HAVE KIND OF TRIED TO BOIL ALL OF THAT INPUT DOWN INTO A SERIES OF GOALS.

SO THE FIRST SET IS AROUND PRIMARILY JUST SORT OF THE BUILDING ITSELF AS AN ART CENTER.

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WE WANT TO MAKE A FACILITY THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE ENDURING.

THAT'S A QUALITY FACILITY, BUT IT'S ALSO DESIGNED SO THAT IT HAS FLEXIBILITY, BECAUSE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE'VE LEARNED IN DOING THESE PROJECTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, THEY CHANGE OVER TIME. COMMUNITIES GROW, NEEDS CHANGE, THE ARTS CHANGE.

SO WE WANT TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE FLEXIBLE AND NOT MAKE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO RENOVATIONS 20 YEARS AFTER YOU BUILD THIS, BECAUSE THE WORLD HAS CHANGED. IT'S GOING TO BE A PLACE THAT IS BOTH A REPRESENTATION OF AND A PLACE TO FOSTER THE CREATIVITY THAT EXISTS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, A PLACE FOR ARTISTS AND MUSICIANS AND THEATER PEOPLE AND DANCERS HERE IN FLOWER MOUND TO COME AND HONE THEIR CRAFT AND PUT ON PERFORMANCES AND SHOWCASE THEM TO THE COMMUNITY.

BUT WE ALSO WANT IT TO BE A PLACE THAT CAN BRING IN OUTSIDE SHOWS AND BE A PLACE THAT'S A SOURCE OF INSPIRATION.

SO A PLACE THAT CAN BE A DESTINATION AND YOU CAN COME HERE AND FIND PERFORMANCES, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY TO SEE THOSE.

AND FINALLY, IT WANTS TO BE A MIXTURE OF AN ARTS CENTER AND A COMMUNITY CENTER.

IT WANTS TO BE A PLACE THAT PEOPLE COME TO, NOT JUST FOR PERFORMANCES ON FRIDAY NIGHTS OR WEEKENDS, BUT A PLACE THAT'S ACTIVE AND BUSY ALL THE TIME.

A PLACE THAT FEELS LIKE IT'S A COMMUNITY IS INVITED TO BE HERE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A DESTINATION FOR THE COMMUNITY SOMEPLACE THAT'S NOT JUST FOR RESIDENTS, BUT A PLACE THAT PEOPLE COMING TO FLOWER MOUND WOULD GO, OH, I WANT TO GO SEE WHAT'S IN THE ART CENTER, OR I'M GOING TO FLOWER MOUND BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE THAT'S AT THE ART CENTER, AND MAYBE A PLACE THAT IS IF YOU LIVE IN FLOWER MOUND AND YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY VISITING YOU FROM OUT OF TOWN, THIS IS ONE PLACE IN THE COMMUNITY YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM TO. SHOWCASE WHAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT ABOUT FLOWER MOUND.

IT WANTS TO BE A PLACE THAT HOSTS ALL THE COMMUNITY THAT SHOWCASES WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

WHAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT FLOWER MOUND AND KIND OF WORKS AS A CATALYST TO GROW THE CREATIVITY THAT ALREADY EXISTS HERE.

IT WANTS TO BE A PLACE THAT IS BUSY INSIDE AND OUT.

WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO COME HERE AND EXPERIENCE ART WITHOUT HAVING TO GO INSIDE THE INSIDE THE VENUE, LIKE A PLACE WHERE YOU MIGHT BRING YOUR CHILDREN FOR A WALK OR TO EXPERIENCE ART IN THE LANDSCAPE.

SO IT WANTS TO BE A PLACE THAT HAS ACTIVITY AND THE ARTS INSIDE AS WELL AS OUTSIDE, AND FINALLY WANTS TO BE AN ICONIC AND IDENTIFIABLE LANDMARK.

IT WANTS TO BE SOMEPLACE REALLY SPECIAL THAT YOU'RE REALLY EXCITED IS IN YOUR COMMUNITY, AND SOMEPLACE THAT'S A KIND OF SHOWCASE FOR THE IDENTITY OF FLOWER MOUND.

WE ASKED THIS QUESTION A LOT. WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE THINGS, WE ASK PEOPLE TO DEFINE WHAT WOULD MEAN THIS PROJECT WAS A SUCCESS FOR YOU.

SO WE'VE TAKEN ALL OF THAT INPUT AND KIND OF COALESCED IT DOWN INTO THESE FEW POINTS.

SO ONE OF THEM IS THAT IT WILL DRIVE DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A KIND OF CATALYST FOR ECONOMIC GENERATION.

IT WANTS TO BE A PLACE THAT GATHERS AND GENERATES GREATER SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS IN THE COMMUNITY FROM EVERYBODY WHO LIVES HERE.

SO YOU COME, YOU SEE SOMETHING EXCITING. YOU DISCOVER A TALENT THAT EXISTS IN YOUR COMMUNITY YOU DIDN'T OTHERWISE KNOW.

YOU GO TO A PERFORMANCE AND YOU SUDDENLY GO, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GOING TO LIKE DANCE, BUT ACTUALLY IT'S REALLY COOL AND I WANT TO COME BACK AGAIN. YOU WANT TO CREATE A DESTINATION FOR FLOWER MOUND THAT KEEPS PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND IN THE COMMUNITY, INSTEAD OF GOING ELSEWHERE TO FIND A SPECIAL EXPERIENCE OR SPECIAL PERFORMANCE.

IT WANTS TO BE A CATALYST FOR ACTIVITY. SO THE BUSIER WE CAN MAKE THIS PLACE, THE BETTER IT'S GOING TO BE.

IN TERMS OF IT FEELING SUCCESSFUL AND PEOPLE WANTING TO COME THERE, BUT ALSO THE BETTER IT'S GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF RECOUPING THE INVESTMENT AND OFFSETTING ALL THE OPERATIONAL COSTS. SO WE'RE THINKING VERY CAREFULLY ABOUT HOW WE DESIGN SPACES THAT CAN BE USED NOT JUST FOR PERFORMANCE, BUT FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS, FOR BUSINESS MEETINGS, FOR THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT DRIVE REVENUE AND KEEP THAT CENTER BUSY ALL THE TIME.

AND AND WE HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN AND OPERATE THESE BUILDINGS.

THEY ARE INCREDIBLY COMPLEX. THEY ARE INCREDIBLY SOPHISTICATED.

AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DO, YOU WANT TO PUT ON ONE KIND OF EVENT IN THE MORNING, AND YOU WANT TO HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT KIND OF EVENT IN THE EVENING IN THE EXACT SAME SPACE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE THINKING ABOUT WAYS THAT WE CAN BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THAT TURNOVER CAN BE DONE WITH LESSER STAFFING,

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ALL THE THINGS THAT MAKE RUNNING THE FACILITY AS SUSTAINABLE AND EFFICIENT AS IT CAN BE.

AND NOW I'M GOING TO LET MY PARTNER IN THIS PROJECT, RICHARD MILLER, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED WHENEVER WE MET WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND COMMUNITY RIGHT HERE IN THIS VERY ROOM RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

THANK YOU AS MICHAEL JUST MENTIONED, WE HAD IMAGE BOARDS.

WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ATTENDEES TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS WITH POST-IT NOTES WHERE THEY COULD WRITE DOWN IDEAS OR THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE FACILITY. WE HAD DOTS THAT THEY COULD PUT ON, IMAGES THAT THEY LIKED, AND SO IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL.

AND THEN WE HAD DISCUSSIONS AFTER THAT. SO IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE FOR US AND VERY HELPFUL.

SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE THEATER AND THE DANCE STAKEHOLDERS, WHAT WE HEARD AND WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS THAT THERE IS A VERY STRONG INTEREST IN A PROSCENIUM THEATER ALONG WITH AN ORCHESTRA PIT.

WE'VE ALSO LEARNED THAT THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN A FORM THAT CAN SUPPORT EXPERIMENTAL AND IMMERSIVE CONFIGURATIONS WITH ADAPTABLE SEATING AND STAGING.

THERE IS A DESIRE FOR A LARGER THEATER CAPACITY, PROBABLY IN THAT 750 SEAT RANGE.

THEY WANT A LOBBY AND I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE UP HERE WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT PROSCENIUM IS LIKE.

CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT, PLEASE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S. SO IN THE THEATER, YOU'VE GOT A FRAME THAT'S OVER THE STAGE AND THAT IT FORMS A FRAME OVER THAT.

AND SO BEHIND THAT, YOU'VE GOT YOUR YOUR CURTAINS AND DRAPES AND SO FORTH, AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL ON THE PROSCENIUM.

YEAH IT'S WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU THINK OF THEATER. THERE ARE MORE SORT OF FLEXIBLE EXPERIMENTAL TYPES OF THEATERS THAT THAT ARE EMERGING IN SOME PLACES WHERE THE WHOLE ROOM CAN BE RECONFIGURED AND THE STAGING CAN HAPPEN ON DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND SEATING MOVES AROUND.

I THINK THOSE ARE A LOT OF PERFORMANCE GROUPS ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THOSE KIND OF SPACES TO WORK IN.

BUT THERE MAY BE LESS FAMILIAR TO AUDIENCES. AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY JUST WANT TO WALK INTO A THEATER THAT FEELS LIKE A THEATER.

IT FEELS LIKE A PLACE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND. SO THE PROSCENIUM THEATER FRAMES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE AUDIENCE AND THE PERFORMANCE, AND IT KIND OF CREATES LIKE A PICTURE WINDOW.

AND YOU LOOK THROUGH THAT AND YOU SEE THE PERFORMANCE THERE.

EXPERIMENTAL THEATERS WOULD BE LIKE, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE PERFORMER IS [LAUGHTER].

GOING TO POP UP NEXT. THEY MIGHT BE BEHIND ME.

SO. OKAY I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU. YEAH. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A PROSCENIUM SO WE COULD HAVE SAID A REGULAR. THEY WANT A YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN ACTIVATING THE LOBBY WITH DIFFERENT KINDS OF EVENT SPACES FOR SOCIAL EVENTS OR BUSINESS RECEPTIONS AND GALAS.

SO MAKE USE OF THAT SPACE AS WELL. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OUTDOOR SPACE, WITH MIXED OPINIONS ABOUT WHETHER THAT'S NECESSARY OR WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

IS IT A PLAZA? IS IT A PARK? ETC. BUT THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT THEY WERE THINKING OF AS AN ARTS PLAZA.

THEY WANT A SPACE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL, ELEGANT AND BUT DIFFERENT SPACES THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ELSEWHERE IN THE COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE ALSO UNSURE ABOUT OUTDOOR PERFORMANCES.

QUESTION ABOUT HOW OFTEN IT CAN BE USED IN NORTH TEXAS.

THE CLIMATE, THE SUN, THE NOISE. SO THOSE CONCERNS WERE RAISED AS WELL.

AN ART CENTER THAT IS DIFFERENTIATED FROM AND HAS MORE CAPABILITIES THAN COPPELL AND LEWISVILLE.

AND THEN OUR OTHER STAKEHOLDER MEETING WAS THE MUSIC AND VISUAL ARTS STAKEHOLDERS.

MUSIC GROUPS HAD A STRONG INTEREST IN THE AUDIENCE CAPACITY, AS WE MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO, WITH PERFORMANCES THAT CURRENTLY DRAW AUDIENCES OF NEARLY 800.

AND THEY WANT SIMILAR SEATING CAPACITY. THE ACOUSTIC QUALITY IS IMPORTANT AND MUST BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A FULL RANGE OF ORCHESTRA, WITH A CHOIR AMPLIFIED IN A SUITABLE STAGE SIZE AND APPROPRIATE VOLUME AND ACOUSTIC ENVIRONMENTS FOR THE THEATER.

THEY FELT AN ORCHESTRA PIT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ALLOW LIVE MUSIC ACCOMPANIMENT FOR DANCE, BALLET AND MUSIC THEATER. AND BUT THERE'S ALSO INTEREST IN RECORDING AND BROADCAST CAPABILITIES THAT COULD BOTH LIVE STREAM AND RECORD PERFORMANCES.

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ALSO ON THE VISUAL ARTS THE ATTENDEES WANTED A DEDICATED ART GALLERY THAT IS FLEXIBLE CAN ACCOMMODATE A VARIETY OF EXHIBITIONS, MULTIPLE ARTISTS, SINGULAR SHOWS, ETC. THE GALLERY AT LEWISVILLE GRAND WAS NOTED AS BEING A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A SPACE LIKE THAT.

THEY ALSO WANTED TO DIFFUSE NATURAL LIGHT. THEY SAW THAT AS A HIGH PRIORITY AND, BUT ALSO WANTED THE ABILITY TO BLACKEN THE SPACE FOR PROJECTED MEDIA AND ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATIONS. THE LOBBY IS AN EVENT CAPABLE SPACES, A PLACE TO HOST OPENING EVENTS, RECEPTIONS, SERVE AS AN OVERFLOW FOR LARGER EXHIBITIONS, WAS SEEN AS BEING VERY VALUABLE.

THERE WAS ALSO IMPORTANCE FOR DEDICATED STORAGE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, FOR THE GALLERY AND STAGING AREAS.

DISPLAYS, TOOLS, ETC. STUDIO AND MAKER SPACES ALLOWS CROSS-POLLINATION BETWEEN MAKING AND EXHIBITING, AND SO THEY WANTED TO INCORPORATE SUPPORT THAT ALLOW ART MAKING TO ALSO SPILL OUTDOORS AND INTO WORK COURT.

AND THEN THEY'RE INTERESTED IN OUTDOOR ARTS PLAZA.

MORE THAN AN AMPHITHEATER, BUT A PLACE FOR ART DISPLAY, AN INTEGRATED ARTWORK INCLUDING SCULPTURE, FOUNTAINS. MAKE IT A CLIMATE SENSITIVE TO THE VARYING CONDITIONS IN NORTH TEXAS.

AND THEN ON THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOP. THE COMMUNITY WANTS A FLEXIBLE PERFORMANCE SPACES THAT CAN ADAPT TO MULTIPLE USES FOR REHEARSAL, SOCIAL EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES AND CLASSES. THE VENUE SHOULD SERVE AS BOTH FOR ART CENTER AND A COMMUNITY CENTER.

BE ACTIVE THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND WEEK, AND NOT JUST ON PERFORMANCE NIGHTS.

THERE'S ALSO A DESIRE FOR AN ICONIC LANDMARK THAT EXPRESSES FLOWER MOUND IDENTITY WITH WARM, WELCOMING SPACES, NATURAL MATERIALS, A HIGH END EXPERIENCE.

THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE AND DISTINCTIVE, WITH A CHARACTER AND AMENITIES THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER REGIONAL ART CENTERS.

NOT A COOKIE CUTTER ART CENTER. UNIQUELY, FLOWER MOUND.

STRONG SUPPORT FOR VISUAL ART STUDIOS AND TEACHING SPACES FOR CLASSES AND CLUBS, AND A DESIRE FOR USABLE, ACTIVE OUTDOOR SPACES FOR ART EXHIBITS, CONCERTS, AND FAMILY FRIENDLY ACTIVITIES.

AND IT WOULD BE A DESTINATION NOT JUST FOR ATTENDING THE ARTS INSIDE THE BUILDING, BUT FOR THE RIVERWALK AS WELL.

ONE THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE REGION, NOT JUST HERE IN FLOWER MOUND.

I THINK WE HAD AT LEAST SIX CONTINUOUS HOURS OF STAKEHOLDER AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND SAT THROUGH EVERY MINUTE OF ALL OF THEM.

SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WE MISSED ON THAT LIST, YOU JUST LET US KNOW.

AND BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU TOOK GOOD NOTES. I DID AND I THINK YOU DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB TONIGHT. OKAY THANK YOU.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MARKET ANALYSIS.

THAT WAS THE BASICALLY THE FIRST TWO MONTHS OF THE EFFORT SINCE WE STARTED IN OCTOBER.

IT FINISHED JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS. SO REALLY WE'VE BEEN KIND OF WAITING ON THE FEEDBACK AND THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GATHERED THROUGH THIS MARKET ANALYSIS.

AND THIS HAS BEEN DONE BY ANOTHER CONSULTANT, WEB MANAGEMENT, WHO IS SOMEONE WE WORK WITH ON MANY PROJECTS BUT IS NOT A CORE PART OF EITHER OF OUR TEAMS. THAT'S HIS SPECIALTY. HE HE GOES AROUND THE COUNTRY DOING PLANNING FOR CULTURAL FACILITIES AND PERFORMING ARTS FACILITIES.

SO HIS, HIS APPROACH AND HIS METHODOLOGY WAS TO LOOK AT TRENDS IN THE ARTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, MORE OR LESS THINGS THAT ARE CHANGING, WHAT'S HAPPENING, THINGS TO BE THINKING ABOUT, TO DO EVALUATION OF THE SPECIFIC POPULATION OF FLOWER MOUND USING A WHOLE SET OF METRICS THAT HELP DETERMINE PROPENSITY FOR ATTENDING ARSON.

WHAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF PEOPLE ARE TO BE ART SUPPORTERS BASED ON YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR EMPLOYMENT BACKGROUND IS, WHAT THEIR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND IS, WHAT THEIR, YOU KNOW ANNUAL HOUSEHOLD INCOMES ARE THINGS LIKE THAT.

HE DID 33 INTERVIEWS WITH LOCAL ARTS LEADERS AND, AND POLITICAL COMMUNITY LEADERS AND GATHERED A SET OF INFORMATION FROM THOSE INTERVIEWS THAT ALSO INFORMED THIS.

AND THEN HE DID AN ASSESSMENT OF THE OTHER ARTS AND MEETING SPACES THAT EXIST IN THE REGION, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THE ECOSYSTEM THAT YOU'RE PLAYING, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S GOT EXACTLY THE SAME AMENITIES AS SOMETHING ELSE. YOU WANT TO DISTINGUISH YOURSELF. SO HIS MARKET DATA ANALYSIS INCLUDED RESIDENTS OF FLOWER MOUND, BUT ALSO PEOPLE THAT WERE WITHIN A 30 MILE DRIVE DISTANCE OF FLOWER MOUND.

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SO HE WAS KIND OF EVALUATING THIS COMPARED TO WHAT HE GATHERED THE LAST TIME.

AND ONE OF HIS OBSERVATIONS WAS, WHILE THE POPULATION AROUND HERE CONTINUES TO GROW AT A PRETTY FAST PACE.

SO WHATEVER THE DEMAND WAS FOR AN ART CENTER EIGHT YEARS AGO, IT'S ONLY GREATER NOW THAT THERE'S HIGH LEVELS OF EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT AND HOUSEHOLD INCOMES IN THIS AREA, SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE NATIONAL AVERAGES.

AND THAT BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT ARE STRONG PROPENSITY AND INFLUENCE ABOUT PEOPLE'S LIKELIHOOD TO ATTEND ARTS AND BUY TICKETS AND BE ENGAGED WITH THE ARTS, THAT THE DRIVE TIME AREA AROUND FLOWER MOUND HAS A HIGH A RELATIVELY HIGH NUMBER OF DIVERSE POPULATIONS, SPECIFICALLY WITH A LARGE EMPHASIS ON, ON PEOPLE FROM AN ASIAN BACKGROUND OR HISPANIC LATIN BACKGROUND.

AND THAT'S LESS OF AN INFLUENCE NECESSARILY ABOUT EXACTLY THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM TO ATTEND PERFORMANCES OR THE DESIGN OF THE SPACE.

BUT IT'S A BIG INFLUENCE IN TERMS OF THINKING ABOUT THE KINDS OF PROGRAMING THAT YOU WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE.

AND THEN THERE ARE JUST STRONG INDICATORS, BOTH IN TERMS OF THE INTERVIEWS THAT HE HAD AND THE COMMUNITY INPUT, ETC. THAT THERE'S A REALLY HIGH LEVEL OF PEOPLE IN FLOWER MOUND THAT ENGAGE IN THE ARTS, EITHER ACTIVELY OR PASSIVELY.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WHO DO ARTS WORK, WHO PLAY MUSIC, WHO PAINT ON THEIR OWN, WHO DO SCULPTURE, AND ALSO A HIGHER LEVEL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPRESSED LIKELIHOOD IN ATTENDING ARTS PERFORMANCES OR WHO ACTUALLY REGULARLY GO TO ARTS EVENTS AND PERFORMANCES.

AND THAT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM GOING TO SEE A COUNTRY MUSIC BAND IN THE PARK, TO GOING TO SEE A BALLET, OR GOING TO VISIT A GALLERY. IT'S A WHOLE A WHOLE RANGE OF THOSE THINGS.

THEN HE DID AN ANALYSIS OF THE ARTS VENUES IN THE SORT OF REGION.

ALL THOSE DOTS REPRESENT A DIFFERENT ARTS VENUE IN THE REGION.

AND THE YELLOW DOTS ARE THE OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE SPACES.

THE GREEN DOTS ARE THE INDOOR PERFORMANCE SPACES.

AND THE OBSERVATION WAS THAT THERE'S KIND OF A GAP IN THIS ZONE BETWEEN 500 AND 800 SEATS.

THE TWO VENUES THAT YOU SEE THAT ARE KIND OF SHOWN IN THAT GAP ARE MOSTLY ASSOCIATED WITH EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES.

SO THEY'RE THE KINDS OF SPACES THAT COMMUNITY GROUPS DON'T GET MUCH ACCESS TO.

OR THE PROGRAMING IS PRETTY SPECIFICALLY TARGETED TOWARDS THOSE COMMUNITIES.

SO THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF THE DRIVERS IN TERMS OF HIS RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WHERE THERE WAS A SWEET SPOT THAT FLOWER MOUND COULD FILL.

HE NOTED ALSO THAT THERE'S JUST NOT THAT MANY OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE SPACES, AND THERE'S ALMOST NO PLACE THAT HAS BOTH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES ON THE SAME SITE. SO HE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT COULD DISTINGUISH THE ARTS FACILITY.

THE OTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT, OBVIOUSLY, IS OTHER TYPES OF REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES AND OTHER TYPES OF USES THAT CAN FILL THE FACILITY.

SO BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WEDDINGS, RECEPTIONS, SOCIAL EVENTS, TAKING ON A ROLE OF BEING A PRESENTING ORGANIZATION OR WORKING WITH PRESENTERS, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'RE BOOKING NATIONALLY TOURING ACTS, NOT JUST PUTTING ON A RENTAL SPACE FOR COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT WANT TO COME IN AND PERFORM HERE. AND THE EDUCATIONAL USES.

SO HE BASICALLY IDENTIFIED THAT IF YOU GET MUCH ABOVE 200 SORT OF PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT THAT MANY MEETING SPACES THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE LARGER, LARGER SIZED GATHERINGS IN THE REGION.

SO HAVING A KIND OF ROOM OR SPACE, A FLEXIBLE SPACE IN THE FACILITY OR THE LOBBY OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE BIG ENOUGH TO HOST GROUPS OF THAT SIZE, WOULD BE ANOTHER SWEET SPOT THAT FLOWER MOUND COULD FILL.

HOTEL, WHICH HAS A LARGER? THE I THINK THAT THE HOTEL ALSO THEIR MEETING SPACES TOP OUT AT AROUND 200 PEOPLE.

SO THE CONFERENCE CENTER AT THE MARRIOTT IS MAX 200? I THINK. WE GO. ROOM. YES. LARGER THAN THAT WE'RE NOT BASICALLY COMPETING WITH THE MARRIOTT FOR THE EXACT SAME? I BELIEVE THE CHAPEL IS EVEN LESS IN TERMS OF OTHER ART CENTERS. IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE WE'VE KIND OF SOLVED THAT PROBLEM RIGHT THERE IN THE RIVERWALK ALREADY, RIGHT? LIKE A STONE'S THROW FROM THIS LOCATION.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S ABOVE 200, THEN WOULD BE THE MARRIOTT COULDN'T HANDLE MORE THAN 200.

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SO WE'RE LOOKING TO STRIKE THE BALANCE. WE HAVEN'T YET DECIDED EXACTLY WHAT THE PROGRAM MIX IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO YOU KNOW, INCORPORATE IN THIS FACILITY. JUST REPORTING THAT THAT'S HIS SORT OF HIS RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE THINGS HE FOUND AND IN TERMS OF DOING HIS MARKET ANALYSIS.

THANK YOU. THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO DO SEEK VENUES ELSEWHERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER HERE OR WE DON'T HAVE THE SIZE.

SO I THINK OFFERING THEM THAT OPTION IS NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE IN DIRECT COMPETITION, BUT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER NICE CHOICE AND IT WOULD BRING REVENUE TO THE CENTER, WHICH IS MUCH NEEDED.

AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME QUALITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SITE THAT COULD DISTINGUISH THE KINDS OF EVENTS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO HOST HERE, WHETHER IT'S ACCESS TO NATURAL LIGHT OR ACCESS TO A BEAUTIFUL OUTDOOR TERRACE OR PROXIMITY TO THE RIVERWALK.

THAT WOULD BE DISTINGUISHING ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE YOU COULD OFFER SOMEONE.

AND I THINK BASICALLY THE WHOLE THING WAS THIS IDEA OF TRYING TO KEEP THE PLACE BUSY, LIKE KEEPING IN MIND ALL THE DIVERSE USES THAT MIGHT BE POTENTIAL FOR THE ART CENTER, AND TRYING TO BE ANTICIPATE WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM IN ORDER TO DESIGN A FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO BE AS BUSY AS IT CAN BE, AND REALLY HELP DRIVE ALL THOSE OTHER GOALS THAT WERE SET, YOU KNOW, BY THE COMMUNITY AND THE AND THE STAKEHOLDERS.

SO BASED ON ALL OF THAT ANALYSIS, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT HE RECOMMENDED THAT WE EXPLORE A MAIN THEATER WITH A SEATING CAPACITY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 500 AND 800 SEATS. AND OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGER THE THEATER IS, THE BIGGER EVERY OTHER SPACE IN THE BUILDING GETS AND IT QUICKLY GROWS. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A CAREFUL BALANCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE BUDGET.

THAT'S WHAT. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEKING. A SECOND, SMALLER, FLEXIBLE THEATER WITH A SEATING CAPACITY OF AROUND 150 SEATS.

AND THAT CAN BE A GREAT SPACE FOR THOSE SORT OF MEETING EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AS WELL AS A WONDERFUL SPACE FOR COMMUNITY USERS THAT ARE JUST TRYING TO GROW AN AUDIENCE AND ARE JUST GETTING STARTED AS AN ORGANIZATION.

FLEXIBLE EVENT AND REHEARSAL SPACE. A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL FIND VENUES STRUGGLING BECAUSE GROUPS THAT WANT TO PERFORM THERE DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO REHEARSE.

SO THEY WANT TO TAKE OVER THE STAGE TO REHEARSE.

AND THAT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF NIGHTS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY BOOK THAT STAGE FOR OTHER SORTS OF EVENTS.

SO IF YOU HAVE A SECONDARY REHEARSAL SPACE THAT MATCHES THE PLAYING AREA OF THE STAGE, PEOPLE CAN REHEARSE THERE AND YOU CAN KEEP THAT MAIN THEATER AS BUSY AS POSSIBLE.

ADDITIONAL CLASS MEETING AND GALLERY SPACE TO MAKE IT A REALLY COMPREHENSIVE ART CENTER THAT SERVES AS BOTH A COMMUNITY RESOURCE AND A PLACE FOR TEACHING ART AND EXPERIENCING ART AND EXHIBITING ART.

AND THEN AN ADJACENT OUTDOOR SPACE WITH PERFORMANCE CAPABILITY.

SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY AROUND HERE IS TALKING ABOUT AN AMPHITHEATER LIKE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THAT SITE.

BUT SOME PLACE THAT COULD, WHEN THE WEATHER IS RIGHT IN CONNECTION WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THE BUILDING, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT ON A PERFORMANCE OUTSIDE AS WELL.

AND I'M GOING TO LET RICHARD TALK TO YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT NOW ABOUT WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT, WHAT OUR SCHEDULE AND PROCESS FOR THIS PROJECT IS AND WHEN YOU MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE US AGAIN.

SO THIS IS THE DESIGN SCHEDULE. AND WE HAVE JUST COMPLETED OUR THIRD WORKSHOP THIS WEEK.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE RED VERTICAL LINE, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

THE MARKET ASSESSMENT THAT MICHAEL WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER IS THAT BLUE BAR AT THE TOP FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.

AND WE ALSO HAVE GOT COMING UP OUR CMAR SELECTION PROCESS.

AND THAT WILL PROBABLY TAKE PLACE IN THE 1ST OF FEBRUARY.

IT'S ABOUT A TWO MONTH DURATION FOR THAT SELECTION.

WE'LL ALSO HAVE A COST MODEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING IN THE BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY THAT'S BEING INFORMED FROM THE PRE-DESIGN AND PROGRAMING THAT WE'RE IN THE PROGRESS WITH. THE THE LITTLE WORKSHOP ELEMENTS SQUARES AT THE BOTTOM. WE'VE GOT A TOTAL OF 12 WORKSHOPS.

SO WE'RE VERY EARLY IN THIS PROCESS. WE'VE ONLY COMPLETED THREE OF THOSE 12.

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AND THAT'S WITH RESIDENT INPUT, RIGHT? YES RIGHT.

YEP. AND THE RED CIRCLES AT THE BOTTOM REPRESENT ADDITIONAL MEETINGS THAT WE WILL BE HERE AT FLOWER MOUND.

WE'VE GOT OUR DESIGN THE BEGINNING OF OUR DESIGN PHASE OR THE BLUE BARS, THE PRE-DESIGN AND PROGRAMING PHASE, WHICH WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. TO THE RIGHT OF THAT IS OUR SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE.

WE'VE GOT THREE WORKSHOPS ALLOCATED TO THAT. WE'LL ALSO BE GETTING A SCHEMATIC DESIGN ESTIMATE TO BUILD UPON THE PROGRESSION OF DESIGN.

AND WE'VE GOT A DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE, WHICH IS THE THE LOWER DARK, DARKER BLUE BAR.

AND THERE'S FOUR WORKSHOPS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO THERE'S PLENTY OF WORKSHOPS STILL TO GO AS WE CONTINUE THE DESIGN AND OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP INFORM THAT PROCESS.

SO WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY MAIN QUESTIONS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU DID WAS EXTRAORDINARY.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE. I LOVE THAT YOU HAVE THAT PLAN SO THAT THERE'S STILL THESE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT MESSAGE OUT TO EVERYBODY AND GET MORE FEEDBACK. I LOVE IT WAS IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S INPUT AT THAT MEETING.

AND I THANK YOU FOR PUTTING ALL THIS STUFF TOGETHER.

IT'S I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. THIS IS ONE OF MY THIS IS SOMETHING I'M VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT.

AND I KNOW OUR WHOLE COUNCIL IS VERY EXCITED. OUR STAFF IS.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS PROCESS AND AND SEEING HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED.

I DO LIKE THE INDOOR OUTDOOR COMPONENT, THAT ELEMENT.

NOW, WHEN THE 150 ON THIS SLIDE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, 150 SEATS THAT YOU SAID IS AN INDOOR OPTION, RIGHT? RIGHT. NOW FOR THE OUTDOOR SPACE, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? THE SIZE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT DUNCAN MADE WAS 200 TO 300.

SO THAT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL SORT OF PERFORMANCE SPACE.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE SO EARLY IN PROCESS, WE HAVEN'T STARTED DEFINING EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVEN THINKING THAT IT NECESSARILY IS FORMAL IN ANY SENSE. YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS PEOPLE BRINGING CHAIRS AND BLANKETS TO SIT ON THE LAWN.

OR IT COULD BE SOME SIMPLE SEAT WALLS THAT PEOPLE SIT ON THAT OTHERWISE ARE JUST PART OF THE LANDSCAPE.

BUT THAT PROBABLY WOULD INCLUDE SOME SORT OF COVERED AREA OVER THE PERFORMANCE SPACE, BOTH TO HOST TECHNICAL EQUIPMENT AND POWER AND THINGS, LIGHTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND ALSO TO PROVIDE SOME SHADE OR COVER.

WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THE LACK OF OUT. OF AREA OUTDOOR VENUES THAT THERE.

THERE'S ONLY TWO IN THE AREA AND I WAS VERY SURPRISED BY THAT.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS? I THINK THAT. THIS IS.

I'M AN OUTSIDER, SO I COME FROM PORTLAND, OREGON, AND YOU KNOW WE DON'T GET THE COLD, COLD WINTERS AND WE DON'T GET THE HOT, HOT SUMMERS, BUT WE WILL GO OUT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S RAINING OR NOT.

LIKE WE'RE IMPERVIOUS TO RAIN, WE'RE SORT OF WATERPROOF, I THINK [LAUGHTER]. I THINK THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAT THE CLIMATE IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE HERE. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT TAKES A REALLY THOUGHTFUL DESIGN TO MAKE IT WORK.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO GO YEAR ROUND.

IT ONLY EXISTS IN THE SORT OF RIGHT TIMES. BUT WE TOURED KLYDE WARREN PARK DOWNTOWN.

THEY DO 270 OUTDOOR PERFORMANCES A YEAR DOWN THERE.

AND THEY HAVE EVERYTHING FROM THE SYMPHONY, TOURING PRODUCTIONS, ALL, YOU KNOW, ART SHOWS, THE DALLAS ART MUSEUM DOES STUFF OUT THERE. SO I THINK IT'S JUST ABOUT THE WAY YOU THOUGHTFULLY PROGRAM IT AND DESIGN IT.

AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T DO THINGS OUTDOORS IN AUGUST AND YOU DON'T DO THINGS OUTDOORS IN JANUARY, BUT. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? I THINK IT WAS 20 THAT SHOWED THE ARRAY OF DIFFERENT FACILITIES.

SO WHEN I SAW THAT, HONESTLY, I WASN'T THAT SURPRISED.

REALLY? I FEEL IT'S A DELIBERATE CHOICE BASED ON THE WEATHER, THE CLIMATE, AND ALSO WE HAVE ANOTHER THING TO WORRY ABOUT AND THAT IS THE FLIGHT PATH OF DFW AIRPORT. RIGHT

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AND THAT ACTUALLY WAS A POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY SOME OF THE ATTENDEES AT THE WORK SESSION THAT THEY SAID, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE VERY DISTRACTING AS A PERFORMER AND AS AN ATTENDEE.

SO I THINK THE LACK OF OUTDOOR SPACES IS A DELIBERATE CHOICE BASED ON THE CLIMATE.

AND FOR ME, IT'S ALSO THE ECONOMICS OF IT, BECAUSE WHEN I'M LOOKING FOR, I LOVE HEARING ABOUT THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE UTILITY, BUT I WANT A PROGRAMING SPACE THAT GIVES US AN ROI THAT'S DEPENDABLE, AND I WANT TO SEE AS HIGH IN THE HIGH 90S FOR UTILITY AND PROGRAMING, AND THAT WILL NOT PROVIDE IT. AND WHEN I HEAR LIKE SPECIAL DESIGN AND OVERHEAD FOR SHADE, I SEE DOLLAR SIGNS.

AND SO FOR ME, THE UTILITY OF THOSE DOLLARS BEING SPENT IN THAT FASHION IS JUST NOT THERE.

WE WOULD BE MUCH BETTER SERVED IF WE WERE TO ALLOCATE A LARGER PERFORMANCE AREA, AND MAYBE A MORE FLEXIBLE SPACE TO BRING IN REVENUE GENERATING OPERATIONS AND EVENTS. SO I MAKE NO SECRET.

I'M NOT FOR THE OUTDOOR PERFORMING SPACE. I COULD DEAL WITH THE PLAZA AND MAYBE AN OUTDOOR SCULPTURE GARDEN.

I VERY MUCH WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE BACK PATIO ON THE SIDE THAT FACES THE RIVERWALK, AND MAYBE A SMALL PERFORMANCE AREA.

COULD BE LIKE A POP UP PERFORMANCE, MAYBE AN OUTDOOR STRING QUARTET OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WOULD BE THE PERFORMANCE MEASURE.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE US PUT TOO MANY DOLLARS IN A SPACE WHERE WE CAN'T GET THE UTILITY AND THE REVENUE BACK OUT OF IT.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE IN OTHER IN OTHER AREAS TOO, NAMELY COPPELL.

I SEE THAT AS WELL. THEY PUT MORE INTO THEIR SPACES, THEIR INTERNAL SPACE, RATHER THAN THE OUTDOOR SPACE, BECAUSE THE OUTDOOR SPACE IS JUST GOING TO USE JUST SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS ANYWAY.

BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF LIKE A SMALLER SCALE OUTDOOR SPACE.

AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WITH THE 200 PEOPLE.

YES THAT'S. OR LESS SOMETHING. YEAH, RIGHT. A SMALLER VENUE, BUT AND CREATING THAT BIGGER USABLE SPACE INDOORS AND KIND OF MAKING IT MORE MINIMAL OUTSIDE, I THINK IS USEFUL.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAD THE, THE LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS? SO I MEAN, I'LL DISAGREE WITH THE MAYOR AND WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND JUST SAY THAT I NUMBER FIVE ON FOR ME IS NUMBER ONE AND AN AMPHITHEATER IS ON OUR TOWN PARKS MASTER PLAN. IT'S A TIER ONE TOP PRIORITY ITEM AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS.

WE'VE HAD THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN AMPHITHEATER.

THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE ANOTHER AMPHITHEATER AND THE OTHER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN. THAT'S ALSO NOT BEEN DONE.

SO SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE SAME FACTS AND SAYING, WE NEED AN AMPHITHEATER.

THERE'S INTEREST IN AN AMPHITHEATER. THE PUBLIC WANTS IT.

IT'S TIER ONE, BUT WHENEVER IT COMES TIME TO ACT ON IT, THEN WE HEAR THAT NOBODY WANTS IT.

SO THERE'S A BIT OF A DISSONANCE THAT I CAN'T QUITE GET MY HEAD AROUND.

FOR ME, THE PRIORITIES HERE. NOW, THE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO WITH THIS FACILITY IS COMPETE WITH OUR BUSINESSES, THE ART STUDIO THAT'S TEACHING PEOPLE CLASSES AND FOR THAT MATTER, I DON'T WANT TO COMPETE WITH THE IMMEDIATE BUSINESSES FOR EVENTS, FOR WEDDING RECEPTIONS. I LOOKED IT UP THE MARRIOTT MAXIMUM CAPACITY 630.

SO YEAH, SO THAT'S IF THEY PUT ALL THE TEMPORARY WALLS OUT AND TURN IT INTO ONE BIG ROOM.

ALL RIGHT SO IF WE'RE TRYING TO HOST WEDDINGS IN THIS THING. WE'VE GOT A WEDDING CHAPEL AND WE HAVE THE MARRIOTT. WELL, I THINK THAT THAT'S NOT A VERY SMART INVESTMENT.

WHAT I WANT TO DO AND MY PRIORITIES FOR THIS AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

NUMBER ONE, I WANT TO GET THE RIVERWALK ON THE MAP.

COPPELL PUT THEIR ART CENTER IN THEIR OLD TOWN.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT WAS A DELIBERATE CHOICE TO HELP THAT WHOLE SYNERGY, THAT WHOLE ECOSYSTEM.

I THINK WE NEED TO DO THE SAME THING. AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HOST OUR EVENTS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVING ALL OVER TOWN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG CONCERTS IN THE PARK IS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG MOVIES IN THE PARK IS. I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG DIWALI IS, BUT IF THIS CAN'T HOST IT, IF THIS CAN'T HOST ALL THOSE EVENTS, THEN I DON'T REALLY THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO GET OUR BEST EVENTS AND THEN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SYNERGIES IN THE AREA SO PEOPLE CAN COME TO OUR EVENTS OR INDOOR OR OUTDOOR, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, AND WALK OVER TO THE RESTAURANTS AND TAKE ADVANTAGE AND WALK RIGHT OUT THE FRONT DOOR OF THEIR HOUSE AND WALK OVER TO, YOU KNOW, OUR CONCERT IN THE PARK. AND WHAT I'M SEEING HERE ON THIS LIST LOOKS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE THE GRAND THEATER TO ME OR THE COPPELL THEATER.

AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS JUST COPY AND PASTE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING. WE CIRCLED THAT SPOT BECAUSE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE, AND IF WE'RE JUST KIND OF DOING THE SAME THING, WHICH IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT LIKE THAT MIGHT BE THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING, THEN I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE MARK AND WE NEED TO, I THINK JUST THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT NUMBER FIVE AND MAKE IT MORE PROMINENT.

THAT'S MY OPINION. A LOT OF PEOPLE DID SAY THEY WANTED AN OUTDOOR SPACE, BUT I THINK I THINK WHAT ANN WAS TRYING TO SAY IS YOU JUST WANT TO.

THEY DON'T WANT AN AMPHITHEATER BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER, THE NOISE, THE HEAT, THE COLD, THE DEPENDABILITY OF IT.

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AND SO OFFSETTING THE, THE COSTS WITH REVENUE GENERATING OPERATIONS WOULD BE A PRIMARY OBJECTIVE FOR ME AS ANOTHER FISCAL CONSERVATIVE.

I DON'T WANT THE TOWN TO HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE EVERY ACTIVITY AND IF.

AND ALSO, I WOULD INVITE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO WRITE INTO YOUR COUNCIL AND SHARE YOUR IDEAS WITH US ABOUT WHY YOU.

MAYBE AT ONE TIME YOU DID WANT AN AMPHITHEATER, BUT I FEEL THAT'S VERY OUTDATED VIEW.

THE PEOPLE IN THE RIVERWALK WHO ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THAT DEVELOPMENT ALSO PROPOSED A LOT OF RETAIL, AND WE DIDN'T SEE VERY MUCH OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT GOT PUT IN THERE, BECAUSE THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND THE DESIRES HAVE CHANGED.

SO I WOULD INVITE PEOPLE, IF YOU HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, PLEASE HELP US GET OUR EYES AND EARS AND OUR ARMS AROUND.

WHY YOU DON'T WANT AN AMPHITHEATER. SO LET ME LET ME STOP YOU THERE.

SO WHAT WAS THE. WHAT WAS THE FEEDBACK FROM THE WORK SESSIONS ON THE OUTDOOR SPACE? I THINK MY BUT BE OUT AND PRESENT ON THE SITE AND, AND HAVE IT PERMEATE THIS SO THAT YOU KNEW YOU WERE COMING TO AN ART CENTER.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL YOU OPENED THE DOOR, AND THAT YOU FELT LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT COMING TO AN ART CENTER WHERE YOU COULD ENJOY THE ART WITHOUT ALWAYS BUYING A TICKET.

I THINK THAT THE ART AS A PLACE FOR EXHIBIT, FOR ART MAKING, FOR OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE WERE ALL THINGS THAT WERE REALLY GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT.

OKAY. FOR OUTDOOR STUFF. SO, I MEAN, IT'S AND THAT WAS ON A SMALLER SCALE, THOUGH STILL? YEAH. WE'RE STILL FOCUSING ON THE INDOORS, BUT WE'RE STILL DOING SOMETHING OUTSIDE.

AND TO ANN'S POINT I. THE AMPHITHEATER IS ON OUR MASTER PLAN.

I DIDN'T PUT IT THERE. I WASN'T HERE WHEN THAT WAS ADDED. IT'S TIER ONE. ART CENTER IS NOT.

SO SOMEWHERE WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS SAME INFORMATION AND DECIDED THAT SOME.

I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD DELETE THIS AND DO AN AMPHITHEATER, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE OUTDOOR SHOULD BE AS MUCH OF A PRIORITY AS THE INDOOR.

AND MAYBE WE CAN SOLVE THIS REQUIREMENT ON OUR MASTER PLAN THAT WAY BUT.

OPTIONS. I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON IT, BECAUSE IT WILL NOT GENERATE AN ROI THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.

WE CANNOT SUSTAIN IT. IT WILL NOT PRODUCE THE RESULT THAT I THINK YOU'RE THINKING IS PEOPLE WANT, WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY DO. THERE WILL BE AN AMPHITHEATER IN LAKESIDE.

THERE'S A PLAN FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. SO OKAY, SO IN THE PLANNING PROCESS, CAN YOU GO TO THE PLANNING PAGE? SO WHERE IS THE RESIDENTS? YOU HAD A TIMELINE.

OH, THE TIMELINE. TIMELINE. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH, SURE. YEAH. GO TO. MAYOR IF I COULD WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT INFORMATION. ONE THING I WANT TO HELP THE COUNCIL UNDERSTAND, I THINK WE NEED JUST TO THROW OUT THE CONCEPT OF AMPHITHEATER.

I THINK IT CONFUSES THE A CONVERSATION. NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT A SET SHELF SPACE AND ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

IT'S MOSTLY CROSS-FUNCTIONAL SPACE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT.

THEY GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF KLYDE WARREN PARK AND SOME OTHER PARKS LIKE THAT.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS IN MY PREVIOUS COMMUNITY THAT I WORK LEVY EVENT PLAZA.

IT'S, IT'S A SPACE THAT CAN BE PROGRAMED FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND SO THERE WAS A RECOGNITION AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS IS A DYNAMIC THAT THERE'S SOME OPPOSING PERSPECTIVES ON.

AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE CAN PROVIDE MORE EXAMPLES THAT I THINK CAN GIVE A SENSE OF.

I HELP CALM SOME OF THE CONCERNS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A MIDDLE PATH HERE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TO WHERE YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE MODULAR, MORE PROGRAMABLE THAT CAN ACHIEVE BOTH WHAT.

WHAT BOTH PERSPECTIVES ARE DOING. I JUST GET WORRIED THAT IF WE GET HAMMER ON WITH THE AMPHITHEATER THAT'S CONTEMPLATED IN THE MASTER PLAN IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF ANYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET BOGGED DOWN IN THE RHETORIC GOES AROUND THE AMPHITHEATER.

NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT AN AMPHITHEATER IN THIS SPACE, BUT IT'S MOSTLY A SPACE THAT COULD BE PROGRAMED FOR ACTIVITIES.

BUT ALSO WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR AN ACTIVITY LIKE A FALL FESTIVAL OR SOME OTHER EVENT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE FOLKS CAN ENGAGE. AND WE AND WE'RE GETTING ON SOME OF THESE POINTS THAT WERE SHARED IN THE FEEDBACK TO WHERE WE CAN ACTIVATE IT FOR ART EXHIBITS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT'S A VERY HIGHLY FUNCTIONAL OPEN SPACE THAT COULD BE USED FOR EVENTS, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, HAS A LOT OF PASSIVE USE THAT COULD BE OUT THERE. I JUST GET WORRIED THE MORE WE START TALKING ABOUT AMPHITHEATER, PEOPLE ARE. THEY'RE PICTURING A BOWL WITH FIXED SEATING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYTHING REMOTELY TO WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT OR ARE CONTEMPLATING.

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AND WE STILL ON THAT TIMELINE, THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO GET MORE FEEDBACK AS WELL ON THIS DESIGN BEFORE WE EVER GET TO THAT FINAL STAGE.

SO THE BACK PATIO WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THAT PROGRAMING SPACE BECAUSE IT IS EAST FACING.

SO IN THE EVENINGS YOU WON'T HAVE TO CONTEND WITH THE WESTERN SUN.

THE BUILDING WOULD BE BETWEEN THE SUN AND IT, SO THAT MIGHT BE A NICE PLACE FOR THE SCHEMATIC.

BUT I ALSO ACTUALLY MAYOR I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR DELAYING PUBLIC COMMENT UNTIL AFTER THIS PRESENTATION, BECAUSE MY HOPE IS NOT ONLY THAT YOU WILL WRITE INTO US, BUT YOU ALSO WOULD FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD.

SINCE YOU'RE HERE, MAYBE YOU CAN STAY A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND GIVE US SOME THOUGHTS IN PUBLIC COMMENT ON WHAT YOUR OPINIONS ARE.

AND THAT'S WHY I DID THAT THAT'S WHY. THAT WAS VERY GOOD THANK YOU. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THERE UP THERE.

BEFORE THE MEETING. SO I WAS HOPING WE WOULD GET MORE.

AND YOU DON'T NEED A SPEECH. YOU DON'T NEED TO WRITE IT OUT. JUST SPEAK FROM YOUR HEART.

AND WE'RE ALL AMONGST FRIENDS, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WELCOME.

ALL RIGHT, SO. YOU WANT TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW? NO, I WAS WAITING FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.

WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THIS YET. YEAH. CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 21, PLEASE? SORRY. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY HERE WE GO.

SO THE SECOND POINT WITH THE CAPACITY OF 150 SEATS, IS THAT THAT OTHER MEETING SPACE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER THAT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 200 OR MORE, IS ARE WE PROPOSING TO DO 150 CAPACITY? WE HAVE NOT. WE HAVE NOT DEFINED WHAT THE MEETING SPACE CAPACITY IS.

WE HAVE REHEARSAL OF FLEXIBLE EVENT AND REHEARSAL SPACE.

SO THE THE 150 SEAT THING IS PRIMARILY A PERFORMANCE SPACE.

A SECOND THEATER SPACE. OKAY GATHERINGS, BUT IT'S MOSTLY THOUGHT OF AS A PERFORMANCE SPACE WITH THE SECONDARY SORT OF USE.

THE FLEXIBLE EVENT AND REHEARSAL SPACE IS SPACE THAT WOULD BE DESIGNED WITH THE ATTITUDE THAT IT COULD HOST A WHOLE RANGE OF EVENTS.

IT COULD BE USED AS REHEARSALS, BUT IT'S MORE LIKE A COMMUNITY EVENT SPACE, AND WE HAVEN'T SETTLED ON WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT SPACE IS YET.

THE SEATING CAPACITY. OKAY. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY.

IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE BALANCING ALL KINDS OF DESIRES AGAINST WHAT THE BUDGET IS.

AND AND WE KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BUDGET RULES.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE DRIVER AT THE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THE MAIN THEATER SPACE IS ALSO A KEY DRIVER.

SO WE'LL PROBABLY FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT SIZE FOR THAT AND ALLOCATE THE DOLLARS THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO DO THAT WELL.

AND THEN SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN AFFORD IN THE FACILITY.

BRIAN, IN THE WORKSHOPS, I HEARD THE TERM BLACK BOX THEATER TOSSED AROUND A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT WOULD BE THE SMALLER SPACE, BUT EXTREMELY FLEXIBLE. SO IT COULD BE PROGRAMED IN ANY VARIETY OF NUMBER OF WAYS, WHETHER IT BE REHEARSAL, POETRY READINGS, OPEN MIC NIGHT, JUST YOU NAME IT, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE DONE THERE.

THAT SOUNDS GREAT. AND LET ME JUST BACK UP AND SAY, I THINK YOU'VE ALL DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB, AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THE PROCESS CONTINUES, HOW IT PLAYS OUT AND WHERE WE END UP.

YOU KNOW MY THOUGHTS JUST TO WEIGH IN ON THE OUTDOOR SPACE. I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF THE FLEXIBILITY AND KIND OF, AS JAMES ALLUDED TO, YOU KNOW, DO QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND AS YOU MENTIONED AS WELL, YOU KNOW, FEEL LIKE YOU'RE AT AN ART CENTER WHEN YOU WALK UP, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THE GLASS DOORS TO GET INTO THE FACILITY TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE AT AN ART CENTER.

SO HOWEVER THAT LOOKS, I THINK WILL BE GREAT.

I DO AGREE WITH ANN. I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THE OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE.

I THINK I THINK OUR MONEY IS BETTER SPENT. I THINK WE'LL HAVE BETTER UTILIZATION IF WE TAKE THOSE DOLLARS AND INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE MAIN THEATER.

PERSONALLY, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT MAIN THEATER AS BIG AS IT CAN BE.

IF WE COULD DO 801, THAT WOULD BE BETTER. BUT I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING.

AND MAINTAIN THAT FLEXIBILITY OUTSIDE TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE A SMALL PERFORMANCE OUT THERE.

BUT IT'S MORE OF A, AN INTERACTIVE ART AREA, WHETHER IT'S SCULPTURES, WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER IT MAY BE, BUT. AND YOU COULD STILL DO A CONCERT IN THE PARK OUT THERE WITHOUT A COVERED AREA, WITHOUT A BIG COVERED SPACE.

ESPECIALLY, AS ANN MENTIONED, IF YOU USE THE BACK PATIO YOU COULD HAVE ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT UP THERE THAT'S YOU KNOW SHIELDED FROM THE ELEMENTS.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO GET INTO YOUR, YOUR POT AND FIGURE OUT HOW YOU MAKE ALL THIS WORK.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT TEAM ON THIS. I THINK THERE IS A TON OF POTENTIAL.

I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS THING MOVE FORWARD AND TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE MORE INPUT AS WELL.

THANK YOU. SO MY FEEDBACK THE 500 TO 800 NUMBER, I WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF SURPRISED.

IT SEEMED BIG. AND I DID SOME RESEARCH IN THE BACKGROUND JUST TO SEE WHAT OTHER THEATERS ARE IN THE AREA.

AND A LOT OF THE DANCE STUDIOS. MY DAUGHTER DOES DANCE. THEY GO TO LAKE DALLAS.

SO I LOOKED AT LAKE DALLAS, AND LAKE DALLAS IS ABOUT 650.

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SO WE'RE LOSING ALL THOSE LOCAL DANCE THEATER.

THEY'RE ALL GOING OUTSIDE OF TOWN AND TRYING TO DRIVE THEM BACK TO OUR AREA, WHICH AFTER YOU DO DANCE, YOU GO OUT AND DO RESTAURANT OR GO TO STORES.

RIGHT. YEAH. SO I THINK IT'S A THE RIGHT NUMBER.

I LIKE THE FLEX SPACE. MY, MY OTHER THOUGHT WITH THE OUTDOOR INDOOR.

I'M ACTUALLY A FAN OF THE OUTDOOR, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE COST RECOVERY IS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS. DOES THAT GIVE US MORE FLEX SPACE? COULD WE EXPAND THE BUILDING? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IF THIS BRINGS IN DIFFERENT TYPE OF EVENTS COMPARED TO WHAT WE DO AT HERITAGE PARK, MAYBE IT'S WORTHWHILE TO KEEP THINGS AT HERITAGE PARK AND THEN DRIVE IN MORE OF THESE THEATER ACTIVITIES TO THE RIVERWALK AND MORE NATIONAL EVENTS LIKE CONCERTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO THIS AREA, WHICH WILL CONTINUE TO DRIVE AND HELP THE BUSINESSES THERE. AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR TOWN ACTIVITIES WHERE WE HAVE THEM.

SO I'M JUST KIND OF INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW IT ALL WORKS OUT AND WHAT THE COST RECOVERY IS AS WE GET TO THE LATER PHASES.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A DETAILED SUMMARY OF WHAT THE RESIDENTS FEEDBACK WAS, AND JUST KIND OF UNDERSTAND.

YEAH, I THINK WE'VE GOT WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT MINUTES THAT ARE ABOUT 13 PAGES LONG.

YEAH. SO WE'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

OKAY TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING. SURE BE DOING MORE OF THEM. AND I SUSPECT THAT AS MORE PEOPLE BECOME AWARE THAT THIS PROJECT IS REALLY HAPPENING, WE'LL PROBABLY GET EVEN GREATER ATTENDANCE. YEAH AND I THINK I'VE NEVER DONE A PROJECT WHERE I DIDN'T LEARN SOMETHING UNEXPECTED FROM LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY, SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE. SO IT'S ALWAYS REALLY HELPFUL FOR US.

ON THE NOTE OF THE WORKSHOPS, I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST. COULD WE HAVE MORE ADVANCE NOTICE OF WHEN THEY'LL BE HELD? LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, I SEE THEM ON A POTENTIAL CALENDAR.

COULD WE HAVE THAT PUBLISHED WITH SOME DATES? I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SOME TRAVEL PLANS YOU HAVE TO MAKE TOO.

SO LETTING US KNOW WELL IN ADVANCE WOULD FACILITATE BETTER ATTENDANCE, I THINK TOO.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT I JUST WANTED TO WEIGH IN. ALSO, I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT AS THE OTHERS AGREE THAT 800 IS IS NOT OUT OF RANGE, SO THAT'S GREAT. I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH, WITH SUCH A LARGE CAPACITY AND IT'S ONLY A THREE POINT WHATEVER ACRE AREA DO WE HAVE THAT MUCH ROOM FOR OUTDOOR SPACE THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT USABLE? I GUESS THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN. IT IS SORT OF AMAZING HOW MUCH YOU CAN PUT ON THREE AND A HALF ACRES.

WE'VE GOT A. A 2800 SEAT PERFORMANCE HALL IN DOWNTOWN PORTLAND THAT SITS ON LESS THAN ONE ACRE. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF OTHER SUPPORT SPACES.

IT'S MOSTLY JUST THE THEATER. BUT YOU CAN DO YOU CAN DO A LOT ON THREE ACRE.

SO THERE'S ACTUALLY ENOUGH SPACE TO REALLY HAVE SOME OUTDOOR SPACE THAT WOULD BE CREATE USABLE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO COME, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO A PERFORMANCE TO COME, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DAY, ON A WEEK OR COME AND DISCOVER THAT, WOW, OH, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON THIS WEEKEND THAT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. I THINK I WANT TO GO BUY A TICKET. SO WE WANT TO CREATE A PLACE LIKE THAT.

I THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE, HONESTLY, IS GOING TO BE THE BUILDING IS PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE UP AN ACRE TO NO MORE THAN HALF OF THE SITE WILL BE THE BUILDING.

SO WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE OTHER ACRE AND A HALF THE OTHER HALF OF THE SITE JUST SORT OF BARE GRASS.

I DON'T THINK SO. THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CHALLENGE IS HOW MUCH CAN WE DO TO REALLY MAKE THAT BEAUTIFUL AND ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE OF COMING TO THE SITE AND COMING TO THE BUILDING WITHOUT SPENDING TOO MUCH ON THAT ASPECT AND ROBBING THE BUILDING.

SO THAT'S A BALANCING ACT WE'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

AGREED. AND I THINK WE ALSO HAVE ALWAYS WANTED IT TO BE A WALKABLE AREA ANYWAY.

SO SOME OUTDOOR PROGRAMING WOULD WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THAT.

SO YEAH GOOD. I MIGHT ADD THAT 800 SEAT THEATER WILL PROBABLY HAVE A BALCONY AS WELL, WHICH WILL REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE FOOTPRINT YEAH MAYOR, BEFORE WE WRAP UP, I JUST WANTED TO WRAP UP A FEW THINGS AND GET SOME CONTEXT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL BROUGHT UP IN LOOKING AT THE MARRIOTT, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE 630 NUMBERS FOR RECEPTION, WHICH IS NO SEATING AND NO TABLES, THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FOR THE BANQUET SETUP WITH TABLES.

AND SO LOOKING AT THEIR WEBSITE RIGHT HERE, THE BALLROOMS CAN COMBINE TO AROUND 300.

I'LL JUST TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, WHEN WE HAVE LARGER EVENTS, THE MARRIOTT CAN'T ACCOMMODATE US.

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THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY NOT QUITE 600 UNLESS IT'S LIKE STANDING ROOM ONLY WHEN YOU PUT THE TABLES IN THERE IT GETS TO THAT 300 RANGE.

THE OTHER THING TOO IS THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD I THINK THE BIG NUMBER IS GOING TO DRIVE WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE TODAY.

THOSE ARE THE VARIABLES THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TOGETHER AS A STEERING COMMITTEE AND START FORMULATING A, YOU KNOW, PROBABLE CAUSE OR START FORMULATING THAT BUDGET.

AND OBVIOUSLY, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT WE THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP MOVING FORWARD.

DENTON COUNTY HAS CAPITAL AND SKIN IN THE GAME IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE'RE USING WITH THE TIRZ.

IT'S A, IT'S A TOOL THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE MOVE FORWARD IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT FOLKS UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GOING TO MANEUVER WITH THAT, BECAUSE IT CAN BE PRETTY DYNAMIC TO THE UNINITIATED.

AND SO WE'RE ABOUT TO TAG JOHN INTO THE PROCESS, AND HE'S WORKING ON SOME THINGS THAT CAN HELP ILLUSTRATE HOW THIS IS GOING TO MOVE, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, SOMETHING WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE CAN GO TO OUR RESIDENTS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT RAISING THE TAX RATE TO DO THIS. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE THAT CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

SO WE'LL BE DOING AS WE GO AND WE MOVE FORWARD.

BUT AGAIN, JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS WE'RE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF AMAZING PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY.

AND AND AGAIN, WE'RE. WE REALIZE THAT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME EDUCATION THAT THAT TAKES PLACE JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING ABOUT DOING THIS.

AND THE OTHER THING TOO, ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION FOR FUTURE MEETINGS.

RIGHT NOW, ANY RESIDENT CAN GO IN AND BE NOTIFIED, ANYTHING REMOTELY, ANYTHING RELATED TO THE ART CENTER, THEY CAN GET NOTIFICATIONS ON OUR WEBSITE. WE HAVE A LANDING PAGE.

WE'LL UPDATE ANY FUTURE MEETINGS AND ENGAGEMENTS.

SO SHOUT OUT TO MELISSA AND THE TEAM. WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY ACTIVELY TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE NOTIFIED AS BEST AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT, SO REST ASSURED, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE USE THOSE RESOURCES TO GET THAT OUT THERE.

AND JUST AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO WORK HARD. TAKE ANY FEEDBACK WE GET BACK TONIGHT.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE'RE USING THESE THINGS TO SCOPE IT.

AND THE LAST THING I'LL JUST SAY AND I'LL SAY IT JUST, YOU KNOW, JOKINGLY IS, IS THAT I KNOW, I KNOW, Y'ALL ARE CHOMPING AT THE BIT IT'S ALMOST GOING TO BE Y'ALL'S TIME TO SHINE ON IT.

YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO GET IT TO THAT POINT WHERE YOUR INPUT IS GOING TO BE THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST REST ASSURED, USE THE COUNCIL.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO ENGAGE ON THIS PROCESS AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK.

BUT WE WORK VERY HARD TO GET TO THIS POINT. AND I THINK EVEN BEFORE THIS MEETING, WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND JUST THE FACT THAT WE'VE APPROVED THE PREDESIGN CONTRACT IN OCTOBER AND HERE IN JANUARY, WE'RE EVEN AT THIS POINT THAT'S PRETTY DARN FAST.

AND SO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT POINT WHERE EVERYBODY CAN ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES, DIG IN, AND WE LAND ON IT. A NUMBER AND WE START GOING.

BUT SO BE PATIENT. YOUR TIME'S COMING. [LAUGHTER].

BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT INFORMATION, A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT THAT WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU JAMES.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD. SORRY, CHIEF HENLEY, I KNOW YOU'RE NEXT IN THE WORK SESSION, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO [LAUGHTER] BACK AND DO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW THAT WE'VE HEARD THE DESIGNERS SPEAK ON THIS ON THE ART CENTER.

SO WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. DOES ANYONE WISH NOW TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M HOPING. [LAUGHTER]. ANYONE? COME ON, FRIENDS, COME ON.

OKAY, WE HAVE A TAKER. YES.

IF YOU WANT TO STAY, WE CAN. WE HAVE A PENDANT MIC THAT WE CAN TAKE TO YOU.

SO YOU CAN. YOU CAN STAY BACK THERE. WE. [LAUGHTER] JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND THE TOWN YOU'RE FROM.

YEAH, I GOT THE. MY NAME IS LIZ BRANNON. 4108 WITHERS ROAD, 75022.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT SINCE 1999 AND HAVE BEEN HOPEFUL ABOUT THIS FOREVER.

MY GENERAL COMMENT IS THERE ARE SOME VERY CAPABLE PEOPLE ON THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE FROM THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION BE APPOINTED TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE.

WHEN WE HAD THE MASTER PLAN MEETINGS BACK IN 2018 A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM THE ARTS COMMISSION WERE A PART OF IT, AND I THINK IT WAS VERY VALUABLE TO THE TOWN AND TO THE COMMISSION AND THIS THAT'S NOW COMING TO LIFE THAT WE WERE A PART

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OKAY. THANK YOU LIZ. YEAH I'M SPEAKING TO YOU AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CULTURAL ARTS. COMMISSION. [LAUGHTER] I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW. NOW, KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS A WORK SESSION, SO NO ACTIONS ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN TONIGHT.

ACTUALLY, SHE TOOK MY WORDS NO, YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND. AND SAY YOUR NAME.

YEAH, MY NAME IS NANI ISHWARA AND I'M ACTUALLY PRESIDENT OF NATYAVEDA.

IT'S A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION PROMOTING CLASSICAL DANCE AND MUSIC, INDIAN CLASSICAL DANCE AND MUSIC.

AND MY WIFE ALSO HAS A DANCE STUDIO, ONE OF THE BIGGEST DANCE SCHOOLS IN DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA.

SO I'M DEFINITELY VERY MUCH EXCITED TO SEE THIS ONE.

AND I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF THE MAIN THEATER BEING THE CAPACITY ABOUT 500 TO 800.

THERE ARE VERY FEW OF THEM. AND CERTAINLY I, I SUGGEST I SECOND WHAT SHE SAID JUST NOW THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOMEONE INVOLVED IN THE FROM THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, AND I, I WOULD I WOULD SECOND THAT.

OKAY OKAY. THIS IS YOUR MOMENT TO SHINE. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY. [LAUGHTER]. SAY YOUR NAME. MURTIMANTA 4528 CASSANDRA DRIVE FLOWER MOUND AND 5022. GREAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE TEAMS PUTTING TOGETHER AND COMMUNITY.

[INAUDIBLE] AND I WAS I WAS WITH ALL MOST OF THE COMMUNITY EVENTS AS WELL.

I THINK EVERYTHING IS GOOD. REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING ARE ALL BEING GATHERED, BUT I STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE LOOKS AT THE OPERATING COST.

AND ONCE IT IS BUILT, MAKE SURE THAT IT IS FINANCIALLY VIABLE.

WE HAVE A GOOD FINANCIAL PLAN. ASSUMING THE ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE INCOME AND THE EXPENSES AND MEMBERSHIP IS LOOKED INTO AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC COMMENT. IS ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? [LAUGHTER] OKAY. CLAIRE HARRIS FLOWER MOUND. I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT THE LAST SPEAKER SAID.

I THINK COST RECOVERY IS GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT WITH OPERATING COSTS.

WE WANT THESE FLEXIBLE SPACES TO WE WANT THIS TO PAY FOR ITSELF.

WE WANT IT TO BE AN ENJOYABLE SPACE THAT WE CAN USE FOREVER.

AND THAT'S GOING TO THE BUDGET AND HOW WE COST RECOVERY.

USE COST RECOVERY FOR THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEE, I KNEW YOU ALL WOULD WANT TO TALK. I KNEW IT.

HI, I'M LAVERNE AMSTERDAM, 5705 PINE VALLEY IN FLOWER MOUND.

THIS IS AS EXCITING AS THIS IS. I BELIEVE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET IT RIGHT.

AND I THINK RIGHT IS BETWEEN THE 500, 800 SEAT CAPACITY.

BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IT REALLY IS A REVENUE GENERATING SPACE? THAT IS CRITICAL. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, IT HAS TO BE SPACE THAT APPEALS, THAT HAS A DIVERSE APPEAL AND A DIVERSE AND FLEXIBILITY AND A DIVERSITY IN USE. AND I THINK ABOUT ALL THE EVENTS THAT I'VE ATTENDED.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THE MEYERSON IS USED FOR A VARIETY, IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT, MEYERSON CAN ACCOMMODATE IT.

AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE THE SECOND FLOWER MOUND OUGHT TO HAVE THE SPACE.

THAT IS, IF IT'S GOING TO BE SECOND TO ANYTHING, IT NEEDS TO BE SECOND TO THE MEYERSON.

WE NEED TO HAVE IT NEEDS TO HAVE NOT JUST THE CAPACITY, BUT IT NEEDS TO HAVE THE AMBIANCE AND THE THE ENVIRONMENT THAT APPEALS TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE THE THE THE HOTEL THAT WE HAVE IS AMAZING.

BUT IT IT ALSO DOESN'T HAVE THE THE AMBIANCE THAT SOME PLACES SOME EVENTS REQUIRE.

AND I THINK THAT THAT REALLY IS WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE SHOOTING FOR IS IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SECOND TO SOMEBODY, IT NEEDS TO BE THE MEYERSON OR ONE OF THE WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IN THIS REGION A, A DESIGNATED SPOT

[01:10:06]

THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CONNOR MCMAINS. I'M ACTUALLY NOT A RESIDENT OF FLOWER MOUND.

I'M A RESIDENT OF ARLINGTON, BUT I'M HERE AS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE FLOWER MOUND SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA, AS ITS MUSIC DIRECTOR AND CONDUCTOR. AND JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEATER SIZE, THE FLOWER MOUND SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH VOICES OF FLOWER MOUND, WHICH IS A COMMON PARTNERSHIP THAT HAPPENS A FEW TIMES A YEAR.

WE JUST HAD A CHRISTMAS PROGRAM IN DECEMBER THAT'S HOSTED AT A LOCAL CHURCH THAT BETWEEN THE TWO PROGRAMS WE HAD, WE HOSTED ABOUT 2000 PEOPLE IN ONE WEEKEND. AND SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU, IF YOU'RE AWARE, A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONTEXT FOR WHAT THE NEED IS FOR A SPACE LIKE THAT.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE TO COMMENT ON, AND I WAS REALLY GLAD TO COME TONIGHT AND HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ABOUT IT, BECAUSE IT MADE ME A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS IN THE.

THE WORK SESSION OR THE THE FEEDBACK SESSION THAT I WENT TO IN DECEMBER, HEARING A LOT OF THIS TALK ABOUT FLEXIBILITY, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T SACRIFICE INTENTIONALITY AS WE GO FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY.

I'VE SEEN MANY TIMES A SCHOOL OR A BUSINESS CREATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND WHAT THEY END UP WITH IS AN EMPTY BOX WITH SEATS THAT THEY CAN ROLL OUT AND TABLES THAT CAN ROLL OUT AND A STAGE THAT CAN ASSEMBLE.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I THINK WILL DRIVE PEOPLE TO THIS. AND SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH FLEXIBILITY, BUT AGAIN, NOT AT THE COST OF INTENTIONALITY.

THANK YOU. HANG ON, CONNOR, CAN YOU. SO HOW BIG OF A THEATER WOULD GET.

PUBLIC AND WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS. YEAH. NO YOU HAVE TO REOPEN IT.

YOU HAVE TO REOPEN THE ITEM. YOU CAN'T JUST DISCUSS IT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S ONLY WELL, I KNEW IF I KNEW.

IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF A MEETING WHERE IT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA, WE CAN'T HAVE A DIALOG, BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S ON THE AGENDA. WE CAN HAVE A DIALOG. BUT YOU DON'T TYPICALLY DO THIS, BUT. SO I APOLOGIZE TO THE MAYOR. SO WHAT.

HOW BIG OF A VENUE WOULD GET YOUR 4TH OF JULY CONCERT INTO THIS FACILITY? SO IT VARIES WILDLY. IT'S NOT AN EASY ANSWER.

THE. FOR INSTANCE, THE SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA HAS CONCERTS THAT RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 150 TO 200 PEOPLE TO PARTNERSHIP CONCERTS LIKE THIS CHRISTMAS ONE OR THE PATRIOTIC ONE, WHICH CAN GO ANYWHERE FROM 1000 TO 2000 PEOPLE.

USUALLY THOSE ARE OVER MULTIPLE PROGRAMS. SO FOR CHRISTMAS AND PATRIOTIC, WE OFFER PROGRAMS ON SATURDAY EVENING AND ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS 500 TO 800 ON THE LARGER SIZE OF THAT 801, 802, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

IS THAT'S ONLY GOING TO BE HELPFUL FOR THOSE. RIGHT, RIGHT I, I SAY THIS THINKING OF THE RIGHT NOW, NOT OF THE FUTURE.

I'VE PERFORMED AND I'VE BEEN WITH GROUPS THAT HAVE PERFORMED IN THE MEYERSON.

AND WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MEYERSON PERFORMING TO 700 PEOPLE, IT'S EMPTY.

IT FEELS EMPTY. RIGHT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WHILE I WANT US TO GET TO THAT POINT, US AND ALL OF THE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE CITY WANT US TO GET TO THAT POINT.

THE RIGHT NOW IS SOMETHING THAT'S RIGHT IN THIS RANGE I THINK IS PERFECT ON THE UPPER SIDE OF THIS RANGE.

WELL, I'M A BIG FAN OF THE SYMPHONY. I HAVEN'T SEEN YOUR WORK YET.

I MISSED THE CHRISTMAS CONCERT. I APOLOGIZE, I WAS OUT OF TOWN, BUT CONGRATULATIONS.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEE YOUR WORK VERY SOON, HOPEFULLY IN THIS FACILITY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? HI. I'M, [INAUDIBLE] I'M A RESIDENT OF FLOWER MOUND.

AS A PERFORMER, I FREQUENTLY PERFORM AROUND THE DFW AREA.

AND THE. AND ONE IMPORTANT THING FOR ME DEFINITELY IS I WANT TO I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THIS.

THAT THE THEATER, BOTH THE MAIN THEATER AS WELL AS THE FLEXIBLE ONE, WHICH I'M HOPING, AS YOU MENTIONED, IS A BLACK BOX BECAUSE. BECAUSE I DO ENJOY THAT.

BUT I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THAT THERE THAT THEY BOTH ARE REASONABLY AFFORDABLE FOR ANYONE IN THE IN THE AREA AND READILY AVAILABLE FOR OUR, OUR RESIDENTS TO USE, ESSENTIALLY.

AND THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I THINK IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I'VE HAD ISSUES BOOKING THEATERS ON SPECIFIC DATES WITH OTHER, YOU KNOW WITH MANY OF THE OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, MCO, GRANVILLE, ETC.

YEP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I LOVE THIS. ALL RIGHT.

[01:15:04]

MAYOR I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. CAN WE JUST HAVE A LITTLE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE CHAIR OF THE ARTS COMMISSION WAS ASKING ABOUT HAVING MORE PARTICIPATION IN A.

WELL, THAT'S TRUE, BUT TONIGHT THIS IS A WORK SESSION AND WE'RE NOT DOING AGENDA ITEM. NO JUST FOR PROCEDURALLY THE BECAUSE WE MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING THAT THERE WAS A DRAFT FACILITY PROGRAM COMING UP, AND THAT WAS LIKE THE FIRST ARTIFACT THAT WAS GOING TO COME TO THAT COMMISSION.

SO I GUESS, JAMES, IT'S A QUESTION. MAYBE IT'S FOR YOU PROCEDURALLY, AS THE PROCESS GOES FORWARD, WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE THE ARTS COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO GET INDIVIDUAL AN INDIVIDUAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ARTS COMMISSION MORE INVOLVED? SO I THINK THE TIMING IS AT WHAT POINT, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF SEMANTICS IN THERE AS TO WHETHER IT'S THE STEERING COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. I THINK THERE'S A POINT WHERE THINGS ARE HIGHLY TECHNICAL.

RIGHT? AND I DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN A HIGHLY TECHNICAL BUDGETARY COMPONENTS THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN TO THEM HOW THE TIRZ WORKS.

I CAN'T EXPLAIN ALL THOSE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO IT. I THINK THERE IS A NATURAL POINT WHERE YOU CAN BRING SOMEBODY IN THAT GUIDES.

WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THESE COMPONENTS OF WHAT ALL IS GOING TO BE IN THERE.

I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY THE CASE. AND I GOT TO WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANTS AND STAFF TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THAT ONBOARDING POINT WHERE WE CAN BRING SOMEBODY ON.

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, DURING THE COURSE OF OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE RECOGNIZE AT A CERTAIN POINT THERE MAY BE PEOPLE WHO JUMP INTO THE PROCESS.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT THIS HIGHLY TECHNICAL COMPONENT OF IT WHERE I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT PROVIDES A HUGE BENEFIT AT THAT TIME, BUT I THINK THERE IS A SPOT WHERE PEOPLE CAN NATURALLY COME ON BOARD TO PROVIDE INPUT AS WE'RE SCOPING THE BUILDING, IF THAT MAKES IF THAT MAKES SENSE. JAMES, WHO IS ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW? SO RIGHT NOW IT'S PRINCIPALLY OUR STAFF MYSELF.

CHUCK. I FORGOT YOUR NAME. GOOD LORD. BRIAN. JP.

TRAVIS. SO BASICALLY, IT'S STAFF OUR CONSULTANTS, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE JUDGE EADS AND RYAN MARONEY FROM THE COUNTY REPRESENTING THEIR INTERESTS ON THERE. AS MUCH AS I LOVE YOU ALL, AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE DEEPEST RESPECT FOR EACH ONE OF YOU.

I FIND IT TROUBLING THAT NO ONE FROM OUR COMMUNITY IS INVOLVED IN A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT IS SO INSTRUMENTAL IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

AND WHAT I'M. WHAT I'M TRYING TO CONVEY IS THAT I THINK THERE IS A NATURAL ONBOARDING PLACE FOR THAT.

AND SO WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO CONVEY, WE'RE NOT TRULY AT A POINT WHERE THE DECISIONS THAT I THINK THIS GROUP CAN PROVIDE INPUT ON, WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT, WE'RE NOT SCOPING THE BUILDING, WE'RE NOT DESIGNING IT.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OF THOSE THINGS. THAT'S COMING SOON THOUGH. THAT'S COMING VERY SOON. POINT WHERE IT'S HANDED OVER. AND I THINK AT THAT POINT, THAT'S THE NATURAL ONBOARDING POINT WHERE FOLKS CAN COME IN AND PROVIDE THEIR INPUT.

SO I'M NOT SAYING NO, I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING WE'RE NOT QUITE AT THAT POINT YET.

AND I THINK WE'LL GET TO THAT POINT AROUND FEBRUARY, MARCH OR SO.

SO I'M SMART ENOUGH TO READ THE ROOM AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DESIRE IS.

AND WHAT WE'LL GO IN AND DO IS JUST SAY, WHAT'S THE NATURAL ONBOARDING POINT? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BRING ANY PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM A TUTORIAL ON HOW THE TIRZ WORKS, WHERE THERE'S CERTAIN COMPONENTS IN SOME COMPLEXITY THERE THAT I DON'T WANT TO GET A LAYPERSON UP TO SPEED ON, IF THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE'S THE NATURAL POINT IS GOING TO PRESENT ITSELF WHERE SOMEBODY CAN STEP ON AND PROVIDE THAT INPUT.

I JUST THINK WE'RE VERY EARLY IN THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T THINK THE FUNDING HAS AS MUCH TO DO WITH IT AS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROGRAMING.

I MEAN, YES, OBVIOUSLY THE BUDGET WILL PLAY A PIVOTAL ROLE, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE NECESSARILY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE INS AND OUTS OF THE TIRZ AS A MECHANISM FOR FINANCING.

SO I THINK THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR SOME RESIDENT AND SPECIALIST LIKE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.

THEY ARE SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT PUSHING BACK AND SAYING NO.

I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT THE ANSWER IS YES. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN AND THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CONVEY. SO TRULY.

AND THIS IS THE THING I WANT TO TRY TO CONVEY EVERYBODY. NO CRITICAL DECISIONS AS TO HOW THIS THING IS GOING TO OPERATE HAVE BEEN MADE YET.

AND SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, ABSOLUTELY, WE CAN HAVE FOLKS COME ON BOARD.

WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET THIS THING TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN HAND IT OVER AND START HAVING THAT INPUT COMPONENT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL TO SAY, I'M NOT SAYING NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT QUITE AT THAT POINT YET.

AND SO WHAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS TO HAVE THAT INTERNAL CONVERSATION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DOES THAT NATURAL ONBOARDING PART WHERE WE CAN BRING THOSE FOLKS ON BOARD.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS. SO I RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT POINT.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S UNDERSTOOD. I'M NOT SAYING NO.

I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING THAT THE NATURAL PROCESS WHERE SOMEBODY CAN COME ON BOARD IS COMING UP VERY SOON.

[01:20:05]

WHEN WE HAD THE CAC RENOVATION, WE AS COUNCIL PEOPLE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOMINATE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE ON A STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THAT PROJECT.

MY EXPECTATION WAS WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A SIMILAR OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT WE COULD ALL BE INVOLVED AT SOME POINT IN GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE ON.

I KNOW YOU DIDN'T. YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT WHAT.

WHY CAN'T THIS STEERING COMMITTEE HAVE, LIKE A SUB SUBCOMMITTEE WHERE IT'S I MEAN.

WHY THIS IS WHAT I SUGGEST. I'M HEARING A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS, IS THAT OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ALREADY POSTED THE.

WE ALREADY POSTED THE AGENDA FOR THE 20TH. RIGHT? SO ON FEBRUARY 2ND WE WILL ADD AN ITEM AND WHAT WE CAN DO IN IN A TIME FRAME ASSOCIATED WITH IT IS WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY YAY OR NAY. AND WHAT THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS CAN GIVE ME IS TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, HOW THAT WORKS ON. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED AN ACTION ORDER TO DO THAT.

I'M READING THE ROOM AND SAYING THAT Y'ALL ARE DESIROUS OF DOING THAT, AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, OKAY, BUT LET ME FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO ONBOARD THAT INDIVIDUAL OR INDIVIDUALS, PLURAL.

SO I THINK THAT WHAT I'M HEARING NOW IS THAT ON THE FEBRUARY 2ND AGENDA, I CAN ADD AN ITEM ON THERE THAT WHERE WE CAN KIND OF ARTICULATE THE PROCESS, FLESH IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND FIGURE OUT HOW THAT COMES ON.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, TALK ABOUT ROLES, EXPECTATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT SOMEBODY STEPS IN AND DON'T HAVE THE BEST COMMAND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PICKING SEATS, WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

WE'RE NOT SETTING BUDGET, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. AND THAT'S THE THING I'LL JUST EMPHASIZE. WE'RE SO EARLY IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS THAT NATURALLY, WHEN WE GET THERE'S A NATURAL POINT WHERE WE GET INTO THE PROCESS WHERE THE INPUT IS VERY MUCH NEEDED AND COULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE AND VERY IMPACTFUL.

I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE QUITE AT THAT POINT YET.

SO LET ME HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND I CAN MORE CLEARLY ARTICULATE WHEN WE GET TO THE SECOND ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ONE THING JUST TO THROW SOMEBODY ON BOARD.

I WANT TO TAKE THE SAME APPROACH. WE PUT THIS ENTIRE THING.

I WANT TO THINK THROUGH IT. I WANT TO THINK OF ALL THE SCENARIOS AND MORE IN FACT, I WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM IMPACT.

I WANT SOMEBODY TO GET UP THERE, AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET FRUSTRATED [LAUGHTER]. I WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR ROLE IS AND FEEL LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING. AND RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST NOT THAT AT THAT POINT. THE OTHER THING THAT I'LL POINT OUT, TOO, IS, IS THAT YOU AND I, MAYOR PRO TEM, HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT CAC PROCESS, AND I THINK IT'S AN APPLE AND AN ORANGE.

THEY'RE SIMILAR, BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT. AND SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT IS, IS THAT I UNDERSTAND ACUTELY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT AS FAR AS JUST BEING ABLE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. I THINK WE CAN DO THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THE PROCESS IS GOING TO WORK LIKE THE CAC EXPANSION DID.

AND SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S NOT GOOD OR BAD, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT.

AND SO WHAT I WHAT I JUST NEED THE TIME TO DO IS JUST TO, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO MAXIMIZE THE INDIVIDUAL'S SINGULAR PLURALS TIME ON THE, ON THE GROUP AND HOW THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE. SO IT'S NOT THE ANSWER IS NOT NO. I MEAN IF YOU TELL ME THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON THERE. [LAUGHTER]. I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU ABOUT THAT. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS, IS THAT I NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAXIMIZE THAT TIME AND INPUT. AND I JUST QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE THEY PROBABLY GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE NON-FUN PART.

THE FUN PART IS ABOUT TO PICK UP WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY SCOPING AND DOING ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND SO WE'RE GETTING THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JAMES I APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL RIGHT. ARE WE DONE? MAYOR I BELIEVE. YEAH JUDGE EADS WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.

JUDGE EADS, DO YOU WANT ME TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN? WHAT? [LAUGHTER] I CLOSED THAT. WHERE WERE YOU? GOOD EVENING AND NOT ONLY MY FLOWER MOUND RESIDENT. AND I APPRECIATE THE SERVICE THAT EACH OF YOU DO.

I'M ALSO REPRESENTING YOUR FINANCIAL PARTNER ON THIS DENTON COUNTY.

AND SO I WILL FIRST OF ALL SAY ALL THE COMMENTS THAT Y'ALL EXPRESSED TONIGHT, IT WAS IT WAS FUNNY.

IT'S LIKE THEY WERE ALREADY IN THE ROOM. AS A MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE, I CAN SAY EVERY ONE OF THE POINTS THAT Y'ALL HAVE REFERENCED TONIGHT HAS ALREADY COME UP IN THE WORK GROUP. SO I WANT YOU TO SAY THAT YOUR WORK COMMITTEE I'M PROUD TO BE A PART OF IS TRACKING WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE.

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WE'RE ALREADY TRYING TO TALK THROUGH THOSE AND VET THOSE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE ADDRESSED.

I DID WANT TO INVOLVE. ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT.

OKAY. AND I DO THINK THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

AND WE HAVE HAD PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND IT'S ALREADY SCOPED TO HAVE MORE CONTINUED PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT.

SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR MORE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE DRAGGING THIS COMMITTEE ALONG UNWILLINGLY.

IT'S ALREADY PLANNED. IT'S ALREADY PLANNED AS AS WE WENT THROUGH THE SELECTION PROCESS FOR THE CONSULTING FIRM, PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT WAS A KEY CRITERIA OF WHY WE SELECTED THIS FIRM.

LET ME REPEAT THAT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY CRITERIA.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM. IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COMMITTEE.

AND I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU. SO AS WE WENT THROUGH THAT SELECTION PROCESS, ALL THE DIFFERENT PROPOSALS HAD DIFFERENT CONCEPTS OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT.

AND WE REALLY LIKED THE PLAN THAT'S OUTLINED.

AND AGAIN, AS JAMES SAID, AND I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT HE SAID, WE'RE NOT DONE.

WE'VE GOT SOME EARLY INVOLVEMENT. THE COMMITTEE IS GOING THROUGH. IT'S A VERY TECHNICAL WORK COMMITTEE, AND I WILL TELL YOU, I PERSONALLY HAVE ALREADY VISITED FIVE PERFORMING ARTS SPACES WITH THE GROUP.

TO MAKE SURE TO LOOK AT THE BEST PRACTICES, THE FINANCIAL VIABILITY, THE FLEXIBILITY, THE CONSISTENCY.

AND I LOVE WHAT YOU. WHAT IT WAS STATED EARLIER FROM THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE SYMPHONY FROM ARLINGTON THAT LET'S DON'T SACRIFICE INTENTIONALITY FOR FLEXIBILITY.

AND SO I THINK IF YOU HAVE THE LARGER ROOM, YOU'RE GETTING SOME MORE INTENTIONALITY IN A SMALLER EVENT SPACES THERE CAN PROVIDE SOME OF THAT FLEXIBILITY.

AND YES, WE DO WANT TO ADDRESS THE OPEN SPACE AND OUTDOOR.

WHEN THE BUILDING IS OCCUPIED, YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS GOING INDOORS AND OUTDOORS AND ALSO WHEN IT'S CLOSED AFTER HOURS SO PEOPLE CAN DO OTHER THINGS.

AND SO I REALLY I THINK THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE TONIGHT ARE SPOT ON.

I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL ABOUT IT. AND WE ARE TRACKING WITH YOU ALREADY.

WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT. OKAY. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE COMMITTEE IS IN ALIGNMENT.

I THINK THAT WE'LL WELCOME MORE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, AND I'M EXCITED.

I WAS IN THIS VERY ROOM, AND YOU WERE THERE WHEN WE HEARD FROM THE DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND I, I MADE A POINT AS A RESIDENT AND AS A FINANCIAL PARTNER TO THIS, TO ADD PARTICULAR USERS TO THE TO THE GROUP AND MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE REACHED OUT TO GET THEM IN THE ROOM. SO WE GOT THEIR INPUT. OKAY? SO WE KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT PRODUCT HERE FOR THE RIVERWALK AND ITS FINANCIAL VIABILITY AS WE WANT THAT PLACE TO SUCCEED.

AND ALSO FOR FLOWER MOUND AND ALL OF DENTON COUNTY.

THAT'S WE'RE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PARTNERING ON THIS. ANYWAY, KUDOS.

AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT THAT WE ARE WE ARE TRACKING EXACTLY WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING. SO THANK YOU.

SO JUDGE EADS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING FORWARD AND MAKING THOSE COMMENTS, I APPRECIATE IT.

WE REALLY WHOLEHEARTEDLY THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT.

IT'S A PASSION PROJECT FOR EVERYBODY. YOU CAN TELL SO THANK YOU.

ANYWAY, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. WE ARE CLOSING THAT WORK SESSION ITEM, AND OUR CHIEF, OUR FIRE CHIEF, PAUL HENLEY, IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES BILLING OVERVIEW.

HOWDY. I YIELD MY TIME TO THE JUDGE. [LAUGHTER]. I'M HERE TO PITCH MY ONE ACT PLAY FOR THE NEW ARTS CENTER.

[LAUGHTER]. OR TO SOON. NO. MY ITEM IS NOT AS EXCITING AS THE ART CENTER, FOR SURE.

BUT I'M HERE WITH MY DEPUTY CHIEF OF EMS ROBERT ADCOCK, AS WELL AS OUR PARTNERS IN OUR EMS BILLING EMERGICON TO REALLY TALK ABOUT EMS BILLING. I PROMISE THE COUNCIL ON MY DECEMBER 18TH VALUE OF SERVICE DELIVERY, THAT I WOULD COME BACK AND REALLY HIT ON ONE OF THOSE SLIDES, AND IT WAS EMS REVENUE. AND I WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT WE DO IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FIRST, AND OUR QUALITY CONTROL METRICS BEFORE WE GET IT TO THE EXPERTS, BECAUSE EMS BILLING IS A MONSTER.

THERE'S A LOT OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, STATE REGULATIONS, A LOT OF HOOPS YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH WITH INSURANCE AND SOME OTHER THINGS, AND CENTER FOR MEDICARE SERVICES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

SO ON OUR END, CHIEF ADCOCK IS CHARGED WITH ENSURING THAT EVERY RUN THAT WE GO ON.

SO WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND WE HELP SOMEONE, WE DOCUMENT THAT THOROUGHLY AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE THE CASE FOR MEDICAL NECESSITY. SOMETIMES WE DO BECAUSE IT IS. SOMETIMES IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT.

AND WE TREAT THOSE EQUALLY. WE DOCUMENT THOSE EQUALLY.

I WANT TO ENSURE THAT MY MEDICS IN THE FIELD, WHO ARE FABULOUS AT DOCUMENTATION AND FABULOUS AT WHAT THEY DO THROUGH MEDICAL CONTROL, WHICH IS OUR DOCTOR FLEMING, HANDLES THE MEDICAL PROTOCOL PIECE OF IT.

I DON'T WANT THEM TO WORRY ABOUT BILLING OR EVEN KNOW ABOUT BILLING, OR BE CONCERNED IN THE LEAST ABOUT ANY OF THAT SIDE OF THE HALL.

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WAS IT MEDICAL NECESSITY? WHAT ARE THE DOCUMENTATION LOOK LIKE? DO WE FOLLOW THE RIGHT PROTOCOL? A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT ON.

RIGHT? AND SO WE MAY CODE IT. OR WE MAY THINK OR THE CALL MAY COME IN AND IT'S AN ALS TWO CALL.

BUT AFTER WE DOCUMENT IT, EMERGICON DECIDES, WELL, NO, THAT'S REALLY A BLS BASED ON WHAT WE DID.

AND THEY PROTECT US IN THAT REGARD TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT UPCODING OR DOING ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING.

AND THEIR GOAL IS TO GET AS MUCH REVENUE FROM EMS AS POSSIBLE.

THEY'LL GO OVER SOME PAYER MIXES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT WE THEN INTERNALLY WE DO OUR DOCUMENTATION THROUGH OUR ELECTRONIC PATIENT CARE REPORTING GOES TO CHIEF ADCOCK. HIS GROUP LOOKS AT IT, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S GOOD AND GOES TO BILLING.

AND THEN THAT'S WHERE BILLING TAKES OVER FROM THERE.

WE'RE KIND OF OUT OF IT. AND THEN THAT'S HANDLED THROUGH LOCKBOXES AND THINGS WITH FINANCE.

AND FINANCE UNDERSTANDS THAT. BUT I REALLY TODAY NO ACTIONS ARE NEEDED.

BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

SO WHEN JOHN COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, HOW DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT INCREASING FEES OR DOING SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THIS AND CAN MAKE SOME INTELLIGENT DECISIONS ON WHAT YOU THINK WORKS BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

ALSO EMERGICON HAS ANOTHER SERVICE THAT WE'VE NOT ENGAGED THEM ON YET.

AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO ANSWER. ASK THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. THAT'S EMERGIFIRE. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS BUILDS FOR OUR HEAVY DEPLOYMENT.

SO IF WE'RE ON AN ACCIDENT WE CAN BILL INSURANCE COMPANIES WITHIN CERTAIN PARAMETERS FOR THE WORK WE DO THERE.

SO THAT'S A REVENUE SOURCE THAT WE'RE ANXIOUS TO EXPLORE.

SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'D LIKE TO ASK JIMMY WHITE AND BRITTANY FLEMING TO COME UP FROM EMERGICON AND KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.

AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. I SEE WE HAVE OUR FAN CLUB LEFT, I GUESS.

BUT [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. CHIEF ADCOCK, YOU ALL DO AMAZING WORK, SO THEY MAKE OUR JOB SO MUCH EASIER.

AND THIS IS BRITTANY FLEMING. SHE IS OUR MANAGER.

FOR YOUR ACCOUNT, I'M JIMMY WHITE. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF EMERGICON OVER THE CLIENT SERVICES.

SO TONIGHT, I JUST WANT TO HIGH LEVEL GO OVER OUR BILLING PROCESS, OUR CURRENT FEE, SCHEDULE, THE COMPARISON, YOUR PAYER REIMBURSEMENTS, SOME FEE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

ANY RECOVERY OPTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS.

SO WHAT IS EMERGICON? EMERGICON WE SPECIALIZE IN EMERGENCY EMS BILLING.

WE BROUGHT ON OUR FIRE BILLING A FEW YEARS AGO.

THAT IS OUR ENTIRE PURPOSE. WE ARE 100% HUMAN BASED.

WE READ EVERY CHART, EVERY ENCOUNTER. THERE IS AUTOMATION IN THE BACKGROUND THAT IS BACKED UP BY A HUMAN.

WHAT YOU WILL FIND IS THAT SOME OF OUR COMPETITORS HAVE AUTO POPULATED CHARGES.

WE DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE SEND A CLAIM IN FOR PAYMENT, THAT YOU ARE NOT AT RISK.

THAT WE ARE NOT AT RISK. THAT IS ONE OF OUR CORE BELIEFS.

AND WE WILL DO THAT. WHAT OUR TEAMS ARE? CHIEF AND HIS TEAM, THEY QI THESE CHARTS BEFORE THEY COME TO US. THEN IT COMES TO OUR PREBILLING TEAM.

THIS TEAM IS AMAZING. THEY FIND EVERYONE. JUST BECAUSE THEY SAID JIMMY WHITE, THEY MAKE SURE THAT IT IS TRULY JIMMY WHITE AND THAT THAT WAS A TRUE EVENT ON THAT DATE. AND THEN THEY GO OUT AND FIND MY INSURANCE.

THE GENTLEMEN DO A GREAT JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THAT INSURANCE INFORMATION FROM THE HOSPITAL.

ON THE FACE SHEETS. BUT THEN WE VALIDATE IT, AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T ALWAYS GET GOOD INFORMATION.

AND THAT'S WHERE OUR PREBILLING TEAM COMES IN.

THEY FIND THOSE PAYERS. WE WANT TO FIND A PAYER FOR EVERY PATIENT THAT YOU PROVIDE SERVICE TO.

SECOND, THE BILLING TEAM, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. THEY READ EVERY CHART, EVERY LINE, THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL. THESE LADIES ARE PHENOMENAL.

SO AND AGAIN THEY MAKE IT SO EASY FOR US. THEY LIST OUT EVERY INTERVENTION.

AND BASED ON THE INTERVENTION AND THE CARE PROVIDED, THAT'S HOW WE CAN BUILD THAT CHART.

ONCE THE CLAIM IS BILLED, THEN OUR AR TEAM, THEY FOLLOW THAT CLAIM FROM THE MINUTE IT'S BILLED AND SENT TO OUR PROVIDERS UNTIL WE RECEIVE THAT PAYMENT BACK. IF THERE IS A DENIAL, THEY START WORKING ON THE DENIAL.

AND THEN IF THERE ARE CHART CORRECTIONS FOR WHATEVER REASON OR NEED, THESE GENTLEMEN TAKE CARE OF THAT IMMEDIATELY.

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THEY SIT IN THE BACK. IT'S LIKE LISTENING TO MY GRANDMA SPEAK.

SHE'S LIKE, I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU NEEDED OUR SERVICES.

AND HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WHAT CAN WE DO TO? DO YOU HAVE INSURANCE? CAN WE COME UP WITH A PAYMENT PLAN? AND THEY WORK THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THOSE. SO THAT THAT COLLECTIONS TEAM IS PHENOMENAL.

SO I LIKE TO THINK OF EMS SERVICE. AND I ALWAYS START AT THE TOP WITH LEVEL OF SERVICE.

CHIEF AND HAD ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS. WE LOOK AT PAYERS BY LEVEL OF SERVICE.

SO AS WE LOOK AT YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE, 78% OF ALL YOUR CALLS ARE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT, 3.6% ARE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT 2, WHICH MEANS THOSE ARE THE REALLY, REALLY SICK ONES.

THE CRITICAL CARE PATIENTS, THE REALLY HIGH UTILIZATION OF MANPOWER.

SO THEY'RE REIMBURSED A LITTLE HIGHER. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT BLS, THE BASIC LIFE SUPPORT.

THAT'S 17.9% OF YOUR PATIENT POPULATION. AND YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE GRAPH THERE KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHAT WE'RE RECEIVING IN REVENUE BASED ON THOSE.

WHERE'S 26.6% OF ALL OF YOUR TRANSPORTS HAVE COMMERCIAL INSURANCE.

THAT'S WHO WE REALLY WANT TO TARGET AND MAXIMIZE REVENUE FROM.

MEDICARE IS YOUR LARGEST PAYER AT 58%, PRIVATE PAY AT 7.6%.

WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT PATIENTS DON'T FALL INTO THAT PRIVATE PAY SECTOR.

MEDICAID AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL MAKE UP THE REMAINDER REMAINDER.

AND YOU CAN SEE BASED ON THE GRAPH THERE AT THE BOTTOM, THE MAJORITY OF YOUR FUNDS COME FROM YOUR COMMERCIAL PAYERS.

SO PAYER BEHAVIOR, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT EACH PAYER HAS UNIQUE PAYMENT PLANS OR PAYMENT BEHAVIORS A GOVERNMENTAL PAYER, MEDICARE, MEDICAID.

THEY HAVE SET RATES. THAT'S WHAT THEY PAY, PLUS THE MILEAGE.

THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

THERE ARE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS. THAT'S AND THEN THERE'S TWO CAVEATS TO THAT.

THERE'S TEXAS TDI FUNDED ACCOUNTS, WHICH ARE TEXAS MEDICAID ACCOUNTS THAT HAVE REIMBURSEMENT.

AND THEN THERE'S JUST TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL INSURANCE.

AND THEN THE LAST IS ABOUT PRIVATE PAY. OF PRIVATE PAY.

WE, AT BEST, ACROSS THE ENTIRE EMERGICON PORTFOLIO, SEE 12% AT BEST, MOSTLY ABOUT 6%, 7% REIMBURSEMENT.

AND THAT'S NOT AT FULL. THAT'S TOTAL BILL 6% RECEIVED.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT FEE SCHEDULES, WE DON'T SET FEE SCHEDULES BASED ON PRIVATE PAYER ANYTHING.

WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE CAN REASONABLY CHARGE YOUR COMMERCIAL PATIENTS AND GET REIMBURSED FOR.

AND THAT'S HOW WE SET OUR FEES. SO THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED CONTRACTUAL WRITE OFF.

YOU'LL SEE THIS WITH YOUR MEDICARE PATIENTS, YOUR MEDICAID PATIENTS AND YOUR TDI PLANNED INSURANCE.

ONCE INSURANCE HAS PAID OR MEDICARE HAS PAID THE REMAINING BALANCE, THEN WE WRITE OFF AS A CONTRACTUAL WRITE OFF.

BAD DEBT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. THIS IS PATIENT SPECIFIC.

IF YOU HAVE A DEDUCTIBLE THAT NEEDS TO BE PAID AND YOU DIDN'T PAY IT, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER BAD DEBT.

IF YOU'RE A PRIVATE PAY PATIENT, THAT WOULD FALL INTO A BAD DEBT.

THERE ARE SOME BAD DEBT THINGS WE CAN DO TO MAXIMIZE REVENUE.

DISCOUNTS, PROMPT PAY DISCOUNT, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT. YOUR CURRENT FEE SCHEDULE.

I DID, CHIEF ASKED ME TO COMPARE AGAINST SOME OTHER CITIES, AND I ALSO PUT UP THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE WITH THAT STATE AVERAGES ARE.

SO THIS IS WHERE YOU GUYS FALL. YOU'RE IN THE RED THERE.

SO. SO THIS ALL LEADS TO WHAT YOUR CURRENT REVENUE IS.

UNLIKE MOST BILLS, IF YOU GET A HOSPITAL BILL WE BILL OUT $3.6 MILLION.

WE RECOVER CASH $1,690,000. AND WHAT IS THE NORMALIZER FOR EMS? BECAUSE WE'RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. WE USE SOMETHING CALLED A CASH PER TRANSPORT, $494.

EVERY TIME THE AMBULANCE GOES OUT TO PICK SOMEONE UP AND TRANSPORT, THAT'S WHAT WE WE COUNT ON $494.

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THANK YOU CHIEF. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT CLAIMS AS THEY AGE, WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO LOOK AT OUR AR AND GO, WOW, THAT'S A BIG NUMBER. WE COULD GET THAT. AR IN HEALTHCARE IS REALLY MISLEADING.

ANY CLAIM THAT AGE IS PAST 120 DAYS, YOU'RE RECEIVING 7% AND 7% OF THOSE CLAIMS WITH PAYMENT, NOT FULL PAYMENT THAT IS, JUST RECEIVED A DOLLAR IN PAYMENT.

AND OF THAT 7%, WE ONLY COLLECT ABOUT 6 TO 8% OF THE ACTUAL BILL.

SO AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE BREAKDOWN OF WHAT ALL THE AGING PRIVATE PAYERS OR CLAIMS GREATER THAN 120 ARE.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE RECOMMEND AND THIS IS ACROSS THE AMERICAN CLIENT BASE IS DISPATCH PROTOCOLS FOR EVERYONE.

AND AND THEN FEE SCHEDULE. FEE SCHEDULES MAXIMIZE THAT REIMBURSEMENT FROM YOUR COMMERCIAL INSURANCE.

THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO TO PROTECT YOUR CITIZENS FROM A BALANCED BILL FOR THOSE NON TDI PLANS, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE FIND A LOT OF USE FOR IS PROMPT PAY DISCOUNTS.

WE DO A SLIDING SCALE OR YOU CAN CHOOSE OR YOU CAN DO A FLAT RATE, WHATEVER IT IS.

BUT THOSE PROMPT PAY DISCOUNTS ARE REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL.

AND THEN WRITING OFF OUR OUR DISPOSABLE SUPPLIES AND REAL QUICK, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND COUNCIL WE DO NOT BALANCE BILL CURRENTLY OUR RESIDENTS.

WE DO BALANCE BILL NON RESIDENTS. SO THANK YOU CHIEF.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE COMPARISON TO THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES FOR THE FEES? YES, MA'AM. AND YOU SAID WE'RE IN THE RED. THAT GOT MY ATTENTION. [LAUGHTER] BUT IT SEEMS JUST QUICKLY, A QUICK LOOK HERE IS THAT WE SEEM REALLY LOW.

YES, MA'AM. AND SO IS THERE A PROCEDURE FOR FEE SETTING, OR DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY? HOW DOES THAT WORK? YES, MA'AM. SO OUR CFO WILL BE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN.

I'M GUESSING THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR ON SOME REVENUES.

THIS IS ONE THAT YOU WOULD DECIDE WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO GO.

AND I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THIS IN THAT ACTION ALONE IS JUST REALLY YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF COMMERCIAL PAYERS SUCH AS YOUR INSURANCE. MEDICARE IS GOING TO PAY WHAT MEDICARE PAYS.

AND WE CAN DO THAT AT YOUR DISCRETION. WE CAN RAISE THOSE RATES WHENEVER YOU SEE FIT.

AGAIN, WE CAN'T DO THAT DURING BUDGET PROCESS.

BUT NOW THAT BUDGET IS OVER, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO PUT THIS SLIDE UP THERE TO SHOW YOU WE COULD ENDEAVOR.

AND AND BRITTANY, I'M GOING TO SAY THIS NUMBER I THINK AS BRITTANY AND I HAVE TALKED, BRITTANY AND I HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION FOR FOUR YEARS.

SHE'S BEEN WITH US FOR A LONG TIME. I THINK WE WERE LIKE NUMBER 44 OF THEIR CLIENTS.

SO WE'VE BEEN WITH THEM QUITE A LONG TIME, AND THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO.

AND WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION MULTIPLE TIMES.

WE THINK WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET MAYBE $90,000 TO $110,000 EXTRA IN REVENUE.

IF WE WENT UP TO KIND OF THE MEDIAN OF THAT SCALE THERE.

IT'S HARD TO SAY BASED ON, YOU KNOW, OUR PARAMYXO IS PRETTY STEADY.

IT USUALLY RUNS AT THAT MEDICARE RATE PRETTY CONSISTENTLY.

WE HAVE ABOUT AN 80% TRANSPORT RATE. SO ALL OUR CALLS ON EMS, ABOUT 80% OF THEM GO TO THE HOSPITAL.

WE DON'T HAVE A TREAT. NO TRANSPORT FEE AS JIMMY SAID, IT WOULD GO DOWN TO THAT PRIVATE PAYER, WHICH DOESN'T PAY VERY WELL. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE, BUT IF WE DID RAISE THE RATES, WE COULD REAP SOME BENEFITS FOR THAT FOR SURE.

AND PLEASE FOR FOR ANY OF THOSE PAYERS, IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR STANDOUT FOR THE DENIALS? NOT REALLY. DENIALS. I WE SEE VERY FEW DENIALS.

OKAY GOOD. FOR YOU. LIKE I SAY, THEY DO AMAZING WORK.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET THEM BACK. OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS I'M IN HEALTH CARE, SO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH OUR OWN DENIALS ON PARTICULAR REASONS, AND WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN CHANGE IT.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS. DOCUMENTATION IS SUPER IMPORTANT WITH DENIALS THEY MAKE SURE THEY WRITE REALLY GOOD REPORTS SO.

WITH GOOD REPORTS COMES, YOU KNOW. COMES GOOD, GOOD THINGS.

YEAH [LAUGHTER]. BUT THE DENIALS I HAVE SEEN ARE SECONDARY PAYERS AND, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THE PAYERS ARE, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GOING TO PAY FIRST KIND OF THING.

SO BUT JUST TRUE DENIALS FOR MEDICAL NECESSITY.

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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JOHN. SO SINCE YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THIS IN THE NEXT QUARTER, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. SO YOU'RE ABOUT TO RECEIVE A SURVEY.

IT'S GOING OUT TOMORROW AFTER I GET A LITTLE BIT MORE UPDATES DONE.

OKAY. A GOOD WAY IS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THIS SPECIFICALLY FOR EMS SERVICES, YOU WOULD SAY YOU WANT TO RECOUP 100% OF THE COST RECOVERY THAT YOU CAN WITH THIS.

OKAY. SO THAT WOULD INDICATE TO US THAT WE NEED TO BASICALLY MOVE UP WHAT WE CAN RECOVER.

THAT QUESTIONS ON THE SURVEY SPECIFICALLY, OR DO WE FILL IN THE BLANK NARRATIVE? YEP. NOPE. THAT WILL. OKAY IMMEDIATELY OR DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR? NO, WE CAN DO IT. WE JUST HAVE TO BRING AN ITEM FORWARD TO DO THAT.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A LOT OF FEE UPDATES, THEN WE WANT TO PROBABLY BRING THAT AT A COMPREHENSIVE TIME LIKE MID-YEAR OR SO IF WE'RE GOING TO IF YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO DO THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO DO A NUMBER OF ONES IN THIS STUDY BASICALLY SHOWS THAT YOU WANT TO INCREASE YOUR COST RECOVERY FOR SEVERAL THINGS AT ONCE. MIDYEAR WILL PROBABLY BE BEST SO THAT WE CAN KNOCK THEM ALL OUT AT ONCE.

SO THERE'S NOT SO MANY AMENDMENTS TO OUR FEE SCHEDULE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I DON'T MIND PUTTING IN THE EXTRA TIME TO DO AMENDMENTS IF IT TAKES MORE TIME.

BUT HONESTLY, FROM THE LIKES OF IT. AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M MISINTERPRETING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THESE BILLS, MOST OF THEM ARE REALLY NOT GOING TO. WE DON'T BILL THEM FOR THE DIFFERENCE UP TO THAT $2,100, SO THEY WOULD LIKELY FEEL IT LESS THAN SOME OF THESE INSURANCE COMPANIES.

CERTAINLY MEDICARE, YOU KNOW, IF THE TDI IS GETTING 13, 10, IS, AM I READING THAT RIGHT? SO IS THAT THE MEDICARE APPROVED NUMBER AS WELL? MEDICARE. EXCUSE ME. MEDICARE REALLY DEPENDS ON ZIP CODE DISTANCE TRAVELED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

OKAY. SO MEDICARE IS PROBABLY IN THE $450 TO $500.

OKAY. THAT'S HOW I GOT THAT $494 NUMBER PER CALL REVIEW? $494 IS WHAT. ON AVERAGE WE COLLECT FOR EVERY CALL RUN.

I SEE. SO THE WHOLE THING. IF YOU LOOK AT MEDICARE MEDICAID THEY'RE DRAGGING THAT AVERAGE DOWN.

I SEE. YOUR COMMERCIAL IS PAYING CLOSER TO THAT.

SO OUR COST IS $2,100 A CALL. BUT WE'RE ONLY GETTING REIMBURSED FOR $490.

YEAH, WE HAVE A WE HAVE A LOT OF SUNK COST IN FIRE STATIONS AND PEOPLE AND EQUIPMENT AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO IF YOU IF YOU TAKE OUR CALL VOLUME IN OUR EXPENSES TOWARD THIS SERVICE, IT'S ABOUT $2,100 EVERY TIME WE ROLL.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECOUP ANY OF NOWHERE CLOSE TO ALL THAT, RIGHT? HOWEVER, MEDICARE USUALLY, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS A $0.25 TO $0.33 ON THE DOLLAR.

YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU BILL THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THAT'S A CONTRACTED THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY. AND THEY MAKE YOU JUMP THROUGH SEVERAL HOOPS TO GET THAT.

AND I GOT TO GIVE KUDOS TO CHIEF ADCOCK, WHO DID AN EXHAUSTING DATA DUMP TO CMS SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T TAKE ANOTHER 10% FROM US AND WORKED WITH EMERGICON TO HELP US DO THAT AS WELL.

SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVE MEDICAL NECESSITY, AND WE'VE GOT TO WE'VE GOT TO TRIANGULATE THAT MILEAGE TO THE TO THE NTH DEGREE SO THAT THEY PAY. AND IF WE'RE SHOWN THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT RIGHT, THEN THEY'LL DING US AND NOT PAY IT.

AND AND SO WE WE HAVE HAD TWO INDEPENDENT MEDICARE AUDITS ON OUR REPORT WRITING AND CAME BACK REALLY, REALLY CLEAN. THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO WHAT CHIEF DOES AND WHAT OUR PARAMEDICS DO EVERY DAY, ENSURING THAT THEY'RE TELLING THEIR STORY AND TELLING IT THE RIGHT WAY SO THAT IT'S EASIER FOR BILLING AND IT'S EASIER FOR US, AND IT'S EASIER FOR FOR CMS TO SAY, YES, THAT WAS A VALID. AND THEY SHOWED MEDICAL NECESSITY.

WE'RE GOING TO PAY THAT CLAIM. AND CHIEF, YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT ANOTHER TYPE OF POSSIBLE FUTURE BILLING.

ARE YOU GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT NOW? I THINK THAT'S BRITTANY COULD REALLY SPEAK TO THAT.

IT'S CALLED THEIR EMERGIFIRE PROGRAM. AND SO WHEN WE'RE OUT ON ACCIDENTS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR HEAVIES OUT THERE COULD BE REIMBURSED WITH INSURANCE.

AND BRITTANY, I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT. SO EMERGIFIRE IS THE FIRE PIECE.

SO EMERGICON IS EMS BILLING, AND EMERGIFIRE IS SPECIFIC TO FIRE.

MORE WE ALSO DO INSPECTIONS, PERMITS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT HE'S CORRECT. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT MVAS. SO MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS, HAZMAT GAS LEAKS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO SAME TYPE OF BACK END WORK THAT HAPPENS, WHICH IS WHEN THEY GO INTO THE REPORT, THEY DOCUMENT WHAT HAPPENS. WE GO, WE GRAB THAT REPORT AND WE BILL INSURANCE ONLY.

SO IF DURING THAT TIME, THE PERSON WHO HAD THE MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT DID NOT HAVE INSURANCE, THERE WOULD BE NO BILL. BUT SAY THEY HAD A PROGRESSIVE AND WE WENT AND WE BUILD IT.

PROGRESSIVE HAS A CHANCE OF PAYING AND MOST OF THE TIME RESIDENTS, NON RESIDENTS DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT'S BEING BUILT.

JUST LIKE A WRECKER ON SCENE THAT GOES. AND THEY BUILD THEIR INSURANCE.

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AND SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR. BUT YES, IT'S COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZABLE, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN EMS. SO WE HAVE A SAMPLE ORDINANCE WITH FEES, AND YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE IT.

SAY YOU WANT TO PURSUE MVAS AND GAS LEAKS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.

SAY YOU WANT TO DO ALL OF IT, AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE HITTING, YOU KNOW, SOME CITIES THAT HAVE LAKES, SWIFT WATER RESCUES, HAZMAT, GAS LEAKS, ALL OF IT.

SO IT'S COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZABLE AND UP TO YOU GUYS.

AND SO DO YOU BRING THAT TO US AS A PROPOSAL? WE HAVE TO JUST SAY, OH, WE WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT AND WE WANT A PROPOSAL. IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? YES. SO WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE'LL BRING THAT AS THESE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS HAPPEN AND IDEAS FOR REVENUE GENERATION, THERE'S A FEW OF THEM THAT WE HAVE IN FIRE.

AND WE'LL BRING THOSE KIND OF AS A PACKAGE AND SEE WHAT YOU HAVE A FLAVOR FOR.

AND THEN WE CAN EXPLORE THAT MORE. AND WE WERE GOING TO BRING THIS FORWARD LAST YEAR.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CHATTER WHEN A FEW CITIES HAVE DONE THIS.

THE MISCONCEPTION THAT RESIDENTS ARE BEING BUILT, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR, AND NO RESIDENT WILL BE BUILT FOR THIS, AS BRITTANY SAID, IT WOULD BE THROUGH INSURANCE.

AND SO IT WAS A KIND OF A HOT TOPIC AT THE TIME, AND WE KIND OF STAYED AWAY FROM IT, ALTHOUGH BRITTANY'S BEEN CHOMPING AT THE BIT.

YOU SAID THAT VIEW, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'LL DO OUR HOMEWORK BACK THERE AND SEE WHAT WE THINK, BASED ON HISTORICAL DATA THAT WE CAN BRING TO YOU AND SEE WHAT WE CAN GET.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A PENNY EARNED IS A PENNY SAVED.

A PENNY SAVED IS A PENNY EARNED GOES THE OTHER WAY AROUND. [LAUGHTER] I KNEW I HAD THE RIGHT CONCEPT.

BUT THE MORE MONEY WE CAN SAVE AND RECOUP, THE BETTER YOU CAN ALLOCATE SOME OF MAYBE THE OTHER BUDGET DOLLARS FOR SOME OTHER NEEDS WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHICH I KNOW YOU ALWAYS KEEP YOUR FINGER ON THE PULSE OF WHAT'S NEEDED THERE, TOO.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING MORE ABOUT IT. I JUST WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A YOU KNOW WHAT? GO AHEAD CHRIS. I'M SORRY. NO WORRIES. JUST QUICK QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THESE RATES.

I'M NOTICING THERE'S A TREND FOR THE LAST FOUR CITIES THAT THEY'VE GOT 400 OR 600 IS THERE ANY LOGIC OF MAXIMIZING REVENUE OR AND SOME OF THEM HAVE A FLAT RATE.

WE LOOKED AT TDI AND THEN WE SET JUST ABOVE IT WHAT WAS REASONABLE TO BE EXPECTED FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES.

OKAY. IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE STATE, THERE ARE CERTAIN AGENCIES THAT HAVE ALS RATES $2,000 AND $3,000.

YEAH BUT WE WILL DO WHATEVER IS COMFORTABLE FOR YOU.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A STANDARD FEE SCHEDULE THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IN NORTH TEXAS, AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE.

OKAY THANK YOU. I ALSO JUST WANTED TO INCLUDE THEY ARE ALSO CLIENTS OF OURS, SO WE RECOMMEND A FEE SCHEDULE.

SO THAT'S. YEAH. SO IT WASN'T LIKE THE IT WAS LIKE HEY 1400.

SO IT WAS ACTUALLY A RECOMMENDED FEE SCHEDULE THAT WE PROVIDED. SEEMS JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE. BUT THE WHOLE TIME, AND I'M NOT QUITE AS EAGER TO RAISE RATES AS SOME, MAYBE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.

I MEAN, RESIDENTS ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THIS WITH THEIR PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX.

THAT'S WHAT FUNDS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT IF, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY, WELL, THE INSURANCE COMPANY IS MY HSA ACCOUNT UNTIL I GET TO LIKE $9,000.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY THE INSURANCE COMPANY PAYING IT UNLESS IT'S QUITE A LARGE AMOUNT OF SPENDING. SO I DON'T NECESSARILY MIND US.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL UPSIDE. $100,000 I THINK IS WHAT YOU SAID, CHIEF.

IT'S A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A ROUNDING ERROR. AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT AS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH US BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

NONRESIDENTS MAY BE DIFFERENT STORY. SO IT DOESN'T BREAK MY HEART TO SEE US AT THE TOP OF THIS LIST RIGHT HERE.

BUT RESIDENTS REALLY AREN'T PAYING FOR IT. IT'S THE INSURANCE COMPANIES.

RIGHT BUT LIKE I SAID, THE INSURANCE COMPANY IS.

I'M, YOU KNOW, UP UNTIL $9,000. THAT'S ALL OUT OF MY POCKET.

HEALTH INSURANCE? BUT FOR ACCIDENTS IT COULD BE.

YEAH. FOR YEAH IT'S JUST LIKE IT'S A LOT OF OUT OF POCKET I THINK WITH THE WAY INSURANCE POLICIES AT LEAST WORK INSURANCE POLICIES ARE NOW THEY'RE YOU'RE ON THE HOOK FOR QUITE A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY BEFORE THE INSURANCE COMPANY STARTS TO STEP IN. THEY MAY NEGOTIATE RATES, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY PAY FOR ANYTHING UNTIL YOU SPEND QUITE A LOT.

YEAH, WE COULD DEFINITELY WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.

AND AND THE COUNCIL TO FIND WHAT THE BALANCE OF THAT IS.

OKAY. IF YOU ARE ON THE HOOK FOR THAT FIRST $9,000, THEN ESSENTIALLY THAT'S A PRIVATE PAY.

YEAH. THEN WE WOULD THEN DO THOSE PRIVATE PAY DISCOUNTS.

OKAY. AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR CALLS, THAT'S MEDICARE.

RIGHT WELL, MEDICARE PAYS WHAT THEY PAY. WELL, THEY PAY WHAT DID YOU SAY? $0.30 ON THE DOLLAR. ABOUT $0.31 TO $0.33. BUT IF YOU'RE ONLY CHARGING 750, WELL, YOU COULD GET 33% OF AN ADDITIONAL 250,

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OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT GETTING MORE FROM THEM NO MATTER WHAT.

OKAY. YOU'RE GETTING MORE. FROM COMMERCIAL OKAY.

SO A LOT OF THE COMMERCIAL CARRIERS WILL HAVE A WILL PAY PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THAT BILL IS.

SO IF YOU HAVE AN $800 BILL, THEY PAY 60% OR IS THERE A SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE OVER MEDICARE? THERE THERE IS. DO WE TAP INTO THAT AT ALL? WE DO.

BUT THE INTRICACIES OF THAT I'M NOT PREPARED TO SPEAK TO.

OKAY THAT'S FINE. YES. THAT'S FAIR. IF THERE IS A SUPPLEMENTAL POLICY WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO.

THAT'S WHERE THAT SECONDARY PAYER COMES IN. OKAY.

AND ALSO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TNT TREAT NOT TRANSPORT.

SO IF THOSE NUMBERS GO UP AND YOU HAVEN'T HIT YOUR DEDUCTIBLE, IF YOU'RE TREATED AND TRANSPORTED AND YOU GET ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL, YOU'RE THE $9,000 MAX OUT OF POCKET IS GOING TO BE HIT.

AND TREATMENT NO TRANSPORT TYPICALLY IS A NON INSURANCE REIMBURSABLE NON-MEDICARE REIMBURSABLE.

SO YOU KNOW THAT IS ALL GOING TO BE PRIVATE PAY.

SURE. AND JUST TO STEP BACK CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE HOW WE CHARGE OUR RESIDENTS? JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TO IT. SO FOR US IT'S IT FALLS IN ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES.

SO WE DO NOT CURRENTLY BILLED THEM FOR ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THOSE SCOPE OF ALS.

ALS 2. BLS WE DO NOT DO TREATMENT, NO TRANSPORT.

SO IF WE GO AND WE START AN IV AND GIVE THEM FLUID AND DEXTROSE AND GET THEM BACK AND THEY REFUSE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL, WE SAY, THANK YOU, HAVE A NICE DAY. BE SAFE. DO A LITTLE DIABETIC EDUCATION AND MOVE ON.

AND THERE'S NO COST RECOVERY FOR THAT. SO WE FALL IN THOSE CATEGORIES.

WE ALSO DO NOT BALANCE BILL OUR RESIDENTS. WE BALANCE BILL OUR NON RESIDENTS, BUT WE DO NOT BALANCE BILL OUR RESIDENTS.

THERE ARE NO SURPRISES ACT THAT WAS= PASSED FEDERALLY AND WE HAVE THE TDI SO CURRENTLY.

AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. TDI WE CANNOT BALANCE BILL TDI AFFILIATED INSURANCE COMPANIES RIGHT NOW.

BUT IF THE COUNCIL CHOSE TO BALANCE BILL RESIDENTS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR THAT AT ALL.

WE COULD DO THAT. RIGHT NOW, WITHIN THAT, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT A TDI INSURANCE AFFILIATE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. IF. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

WHAT IS BALANCE, BILL. CHARGE THEM. THAT MEANS YEAH.

WE IF THE INSURANCE PAID $100 AND IT WAS A $1,000 BILL, THE RESIDENT WOULD GET A $900 BILL.

OH, WOW.

PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW WE WOULD SUBMIT A FEE SCHEDULE TO THEM AND THEY REIMBURSE AT THAT FEE SCHEDULE, OR THEY REIMBURSE AT 325% OF MEDICARE. BOTH ARE MUCH MORE THAN YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN OTHERWISE.

BUT HE IS CORRECT. IF IT'S A TDI PLAN, THEN THERE IS A NO SURPRISE NO BILL SENT.

IF YOU HAVE NORMAL STANDARD BLUE CROSS AND THERE IS A DEDUCTIBLE, WE WOULD SEND THAT AND THEN WHATEVER WAS NOT COVERED, THEN THE PATIENT WOULD GET THAT REST REMAINING BILL.

OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR, IF I MAY, TO YOUR COMMENT EARLIER, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS BEAUTIFUL ABOUT THIS TOWN IS THERE'S VERY FEW PLACES THAT DO NOT BALANCE BILL THE RESIDENTS.

AND AGAIN, I HAVE TO COVER ALL THOSE BASES, BUT IT'S A VERY, VERY NICE THING HERE.

SO JUST STEPPING BACK ON HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN, LET'S SAY THEY HAVEN'T REACHED THEIR DEDUCTIBLE.

BILL'S $1,000. WE WOULDN'T SEND THE RESIDENT A BILL FOR $1,000? NO THEY WOULD. THEY WOULD RECEIVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S STILL PATIENT RESPONSIBILITY.

BUT WHAT? THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THAT PATIENT RESPONSIBILITY.

YEP. SO EVEN WITH A DEDUCTIBLE, YOU WOULD. THAT IS STILL THEIR PORTION.

IT'S LIKE GOING TO THE DOCTOR. YEAH. OKAY. OUR COST FAR EXCEEDS THAT.

SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH HAD A $500 DEDUCTIBLE. YEP. WE WOULD SUBMIT THE $1,500 FOR PAYMENT.

IF THE INSURANCE WOULD NOT COVER THE FULL $1,500, WHATEVER WAS LEFT WOULD BE SENT BACK TO THE PATIENT FOR PAYMENT.

GOTCHA. OKAY. SO IT'S BASED ON EVERYBODY'S INDIVIDUAL PLAN.

OKAY. AND HOW THAT'S SET UP. AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD, JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT ADDS PERSPECTIVE, ESPECIALLY BEFORE I DID A JOB LIKE THIS, I WASN'T COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. SO I HAD TO UTILIZE THE SERVICE.

AND MY INSURANCE, BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD PAID $1,600 TO THE AGENCY THAT TRANSPORTED MY HUSBAND FOR YOU GUYS.

YOU GUYS, IT WAS AN ALS WOULD ONLY CHARGE $850 PLUS MILEAGE.

YOU'RE LEAVING ALL OF THAT MONEY ON THE TABLE BECAUSE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE NOT GOING TO CALL BACK AND SAY,

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YEAH, I LIKE THAT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHIEF.

YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLY ON ABOUT MEDICAL NECESSITY.

IF A CALL IS NOT DEEMED MEDICALLY NECESSARY, IS THERE A BILLING MECHANISM FOR THAT? WELL, WE BILL IT. IT WILL USUALLY PROBABLY NOT GET PAID, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S CENTER FOR MEDICARE.

LET'S SAY, MRS. SMITH, SOMETIMES THEY JUST WANTED TO SEE SOMEBODY AND THEY WERE LONELY.

OR THERE'S A LOT, A MYRIAD OF REASONS WHY SOMETIMES WE GO.

CHIEF ADCOCK AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SOMETHING FOR OUR ASSISTED LIVING AND SOME OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE USING US FOR EMERGENCY TRANSPORT OR EMERGENCY SERVICES WHEN IT'S REALLY NOT DEEMED NECESSARY.

AND WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR CFO TO FIND MECHANISMS, MAYBE TO BILL, IF THE RESIDENT DOESN'T MEET THEIR CRITERIA, THEN WE BILL THE AGENCY THAT CALLED US. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH EMERGICON TO HELP US DRAFT SOMETHING MAYBE AN ORDINANCE IN THAT REGARD.

BUT IF MRS. SMITH IS JUST LONELY OR WE JUST PICKED HER UP OR, YOU KNOW, SHE JUST WANTED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE SHE NEEDED TO OR SHE FELT SHE NEEDED TO, AND WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING MEDICALLY WRONG.

WE DOCUMENT LIKE WE DOCUMENT AND THEY DO THE BEST THEY CAN WITH IT.

BUT IF. ESPECIALLY OUR HIGHER PAYER MIX OF CMS, THEY USUALLY DON'T PAY THOSE IF WE CAN'T DEFINITIVELY LINK A CAUSE TO TRANSPORT. WELL, MY CONCERN WAS MORE WITH FACILITIES WHO MIGHT BE USING US JUST AS MEDICAL TRANSPORT, WHICH WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE MEDICAL TRANSPORT.

AND WE DO OKAY. THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE ARE RECURRENT WITH THAT, THAT IF SOMETHING TURNS OVER AND WE'VE EVEN SEEN IT THAT A SPECIFIC NURSE HAS A PROPENSITY, LIKE WHEN THAT PERSON'S ON, WE GET MORE CALLS.

RIGHT? AND SO A LOT OF FALL CALLS THAT THAT PROBABLY COULD BE AVOIDED ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT THEY JUST A SHIFT CHANGE AND THEY GET THEM OUT OF THERE.

IT'S NOT A HUGE PROBLEM BY ANY MEANS, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN.

AND CHIEF DOES A GOOD JOB OF EDUCATION, BUT WE DO WANT KIND OF AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM THERE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT LANGUAGE WE COULD DO IN AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD AND THE LEGALITIES OF SWITCHING IT FROM THAT TO THAT PERSON, THE PERSON THAT RESPONSIBLE TO CALL US. I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT.

I KNOW A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WE PUT IN JUST FOR RESIDENTIAL ALARMS, A FALSE ALARM PENALTY.

SO YOU GET A GIMME AND YOU GET A WARNING. [LAUGHTER].

BUT THEN AFTER THAT, I THINK IF WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME MECHANISM LIKE THAT WHERE MAYBE THE FIRST 1 OR 2, BUT THEN IF YOU KEEP DOING IT, NO, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY.

YES, MA'AM. BECAUSE IT TAKES AWAY RESOURCES FROM OTHER CALLS TOO. YES.

THERE WHILE OTHERS COULD BE BUSY. RIGHT. SO I'M CURIOUS WHEN IN HEALTH CARE, THERE'S A PAYER MIX BETWEEN LIKE, LET'S SAY, A SKILLED NURSING UNIT OR A ACUTE HOSPITAL INPATIENT REHAB.

SO THERE'S A PAYER MIX WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO SHARE THE FEES.

IT'S A ONE LUMP SUM, AND IT'S SPLIT BETWEEN ALL OF THOSE WHEN WE TAKE SOMEBODY TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM.

IS THERE A HOSPITAL? IS THERE SOME FUNDS THAT ARE BROUGHT BACK FROM THE HOSPITAL WHEN WE TAKE A PATIENT? OKAY. I WAS CURIOUS IF THAT WAS. THEY'RE TOTALLY SEPARATE.

OKAY.

OKAY. SPECIFICALLY, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF IS LIKE A REHAB AND SO FORTH.

CORRECT YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME THING FOR EMERGENCY CARE SERVICES.

OKAY. IT'S JUST A SEPARATE PHASE OF CARE OKAY. THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND IT'S THE TEXAS AMBULANCE SUPPLEMENTAL PAYMENT PROGRAM. THE FUNDING HAS DWINDLED YEAR OVER YEAR OVER YEAR, AND HOSPITALS GET THE MAJORITY OF THAT.

I KNOW IT WAS CRUCIAL IN THE LAST AGENCY I WAS WITH BECAUSE IT WAS AN IMPOVERISHED COMMUNITY.

BUT WHEN WE HAVE NOW, THEY MOVED FROM A FORMALIZATION TO WHAT THEY CALL CHARITY CARE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF CHARITY CARE HERE, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING INTO.

IS THAT JUICE WORTH THE SQUEEZE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO HAVE A LOT THAT WE'RE WRITING OFF FOR CHARITY CARE THERE IS A MECHANISM TO BE REIMBURSED, BUT IT'S DWINDLING. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE CAN CAPTURE THAT EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL. I ALSO WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE FALSE ALARMS AND JUST INCLUDE THAT A EMERGIFIRE.

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BUT WE DO HAVE A FEE FOR EMERGIFIRE FIRE FOR FALSE ALARMS. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU CHIEFS. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE? OKAY. THE TIME IS NOW 8:06 P.M. AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

GOOD EVENING FLOWER MOUND.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.