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>> GOOD EVENING, FLOWER MOUND.
[A. CALL TO ORDER ]
THE TIME IS NOW SIX O'CLOCK AND I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.PLEASE STAND WHILE WE SAY THE INVOCATION.
CHAPLAIN JERRY SPITE, WILL SAY THAT, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE STANDING FOR THE PLEDGES.
>> FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE BEAUTIFUL EVENING THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US.
WE THANK YOU THAT YOU ARE OUR GOD OF ALL WISDOM, AND WE ASK ESPECIALLY THIS EVENING THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THE COUNCIL WISDOM ON ANY DECISIONS TO BE MADE.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS OF LIVING IN THIS BEAUTIFUL AREA AND WE PRAY YOUR BLESSINGS ON IT WITH ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE COMING UP.
WE PRAY FOR SAFETY AND WE PRAY FOR ALL OF THE PLANNING AND THOSE ARE INVOLVED.
WE PRAY ESPECIALLY THIS EVENING FOR ALL OF THE FIRST RESPONDERS THAT ARE WORKING ON DUTY THIS EVENING AND THOSE THAT CONTINUALLY WORK ON OUR BEHALF, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMITMENT TO YOU.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS TIME TOGETHER AND WE THANK YOU IN CHRIST'S NAME, AMEN.
>> WE HAVE A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.
[D. PRESENTATION(S) ]
THIS IS FIRE PREVENTION WEEK.WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE ACCEPTING FOR THIS.
PAUL HENLEY, JASON BOL JACK, AND STEPHANIE BILLER ELL.
WHEREAS, THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND IS COMMITTED TO ENSURING THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF ALL THOSE LIVING IN THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND OF VISITING.
FIRE REMAINS A SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN, BOTH LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY, AND THE PRESENCE OF LITHIUM ION BATTERIES, IN MANY HOUSEHOLD DEVICES INTRODUCES UNIQUE FIRE RISKS.
MOST OF THE ELECTRONICS USED IN HOMES DAILY INCLUDING SMARTPHONES, TABLETS, LAPTOPS, POWER TOOLS, EBIKES, ESCOOTERS, AND TOYS ARE POWERED BY LITHIUM ION BATTERIES, WHICH IF MISUSED, DAMAGED OR IMPROPERLY CHARGED, CAN OVERHEAT, START A FIRE OR EXPLODE.
THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION REPORTS AN INCREASE IN BATTERY RELATED FIRES UNDERSCORING THE NEED FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION ON THE SAFE USE OF LITHIUM ION BATTERIES.
IT'S A TONGUE TWISTER. RESIDENTS SHOULD FOLLOW THREE KEY CALLS TO ACTION.
BY ONLY LISTED PRODUCTS, CHARGE BATTERIES SAFELY, AND RECYCLE THEM RESPONSIBLY TO PREVENT BATTERY RELATED FIRES.
LITHIUM ION BATTERIES STORE A LARGE AMOUNT OF ENERGY IN SMALL SPACES AND IMPROPER USE SUCH AS OVERCHARGING, USING OFF BRAND CHARGERS WITHOUT SAFETY CERTIFICATION OR EXPOSING BATTERIES TO DAMAGE CAN RESULT IN FIRE OR EXPLOSION.
PROPER DISPOSAL AND RECYCLING OF LITHIUM ION BATTERIES, HELP PREVENT ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS AND REDUCE FIRE RISKS IN THE HOME AND COMMUNITY.
THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND, FIRST RESPONDERS ARE DEDICATED TO REDUCING THE OCCURRENCE OF FIRES THROUGH PREVENTION, SAFETY EDUCATION, AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
THE 2025 FIRE PREVENTION WEEK THEME CHARGED INTO FIRE SAFETY, LITHIUM ION BATTERIES IN YOUR HOME SERVES TO REMIND US OF THE IMPORTANCE OF USING CHARGING AND RECYCLING LITHIUM ION BATTERIES SAFELY TO REDUCE THE RISK OF FIRES IN HOMES AND COMMUNITIES.
OH, MY GOSH, I HAVE TO SAY THAT WORD ON MY TIME.
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DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 5TH THROUGH 11TH, 2025 AS FIRE PREVENTION WEEK THROUGHOUT THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND [APPLAUSE].THIS IS ALSO SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MISUSE PREVENTION MONTH.
ACCEPTING THIS PROCLAMATION IS KATHY TRAVIS AND JP WALTON.
YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING RIGHT AFTER THIS.
AS LONG AS I DON'T HAVE TO SAY LITHIUM ION BATTERIES. OH MY GOSH.
THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND RECOGNIZES THAT MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE CHALLENGES AFFECT INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES ACROSS ALL DEMOGRAPHICS AND ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES IS ESSENTIAL TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELL BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ADMINISTRATION PROMOTES NATIONAL EFFORTS TO PREVENT ADDICTION, IMPROVE CRISIS RESPONSE, EXPAND ACCESS TO TREATMENT, AND SUPPORT LONG TERM RECOVERY.
THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND SUPPORTS THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ADMINISTRATIONS, VISION OF A FUTURE, WHERE INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, AND COMMUNITIES ARE HEALTHY AND THRIVING AND WHERE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH IS RECOGNIZED AS ESSENTIAL TO OVERALL HEALTH.
THERE IS HOPE IN WINNING THE FIGHT AND THE HOPE LIES IN THE HARD WORK AND DETERMINATION OF OUR COMMUNITIES TO CREATE WIDESPREAD EDUCATION AND SUPPORT.
LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS ON THE TASKFORCE, INCLUDING THE DENTON COUNTY MHMR CENTER, WINNING THE FIGHT, ARGYLE ISD, LEWISVILLE ISD, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COLLEGE, VALLEY CREEK CHURCH, AND THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND, ARE WORKING COLLABORATIVELY TO IMPLEMENT PREVENTION BASED APPROACHES TO PROVIDE CRITICAL SERVICES TO THOSE IN NEED.
EACH CITIZEN, BUSINESS, SCHOOL, HEALTHCARE PROVIDER, AND FAITH BASED ORGANIZATION IN FLOWER MOUND PLAYS A VITAL ROLE IN PROMOTING MENTAL WELLNESS, REDUCING STIGMA, AND SUPPORTING THOSE IN RECOVERY.
I CHERYL MOORE, MAYOR OF THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND, TEXAS, AND ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS OF THE TOWN COUNCIL DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER A SUBSTANCE USE AND MISUSE PREVENTION MONTH [APPLAUSE].
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR MOORE, WHILE YOU'RE MAKING YOUR WAY BACK UP, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND HAND IT OVER TO KATHY TRAVIS WITH WINNING THE FIGHT TO SAY SOME AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR THAT MEANINGFUL PROCLAMATION.
AS WE JOIN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN RECOGNIZING OCTOBER AS SUBSTANCE USE AND MISUSE PREVENTION MONTH, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO REFLECT ON WHAT THIS MEANS FOR FLOWER MOUND.
SUBSTANCE AND MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES AFFECT FAMILIES, FRIENDS, AND NEIGHBORS IN EVERY COMMUNITY, INCLUDING OURS. BUT SO DOES HOPE.
THAT HOPE IS BUILT THROUGH AWARENESS, COLLABORATION, AND ACTION.
EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND LAUNCHED ITS SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH TASK FORCE.
SINCE OUR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY, WE'VE BROUGHT TOGETHER PARTNERS FROM LEWISVILLE ISD, ARGYLE ISD, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COLLEGE, DENTON COUNTY, MHMR, WINNING THE FIGHT AND VALLEY CREEK CHURCH.
THESE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE CONTRIBUTED THEIR TIME, EXPERTISE, AND COMPASSION TO HELP US BETTER UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES WE FACE AND THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
THE MOST TANGIBLE OUTCOMES OF THIS COLLABORATION HAS BEEN THE INSTALLATION OF NARCAN KITS AT 12 PUBLIC TOWN FACILITIES, INCLUDING TOWN HALL, THE LIBRARY, THE SENIOR CENTER, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THIS WAS A DIRECT RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TASK FORCE AND A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF HOW LOCAL PARTNERSHIPS CAN LEAD TO MEANINGFUL LIFE SAVING ACTION.
THROUGHOUT OCTOBER, WE'LL BE USING OUR COMMUNICATION CHANNELS TO PROMOTE AWARENESS, HIGHLIGHT LOCAL NONPROFIT EVENTS AND PROGRAMS, AND SUPPORT RED RIBBON WEEK DURING THE LAST WEEK OF THE MONTH IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS AND LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
NOW TO SHARE MORE ABOUT THE IMPORTANT WORK BEING DONE BY ONE OF OUR KEY PARTNERS.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE KATHY TRAVIS FROM WINNING THE FIGHT TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROGRAMS AND SUPPORT THEIR ORGANIZATION PROVIDES TO OUR COMMUNITY.
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THANK YOU [APPLAUSE].>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY AND I AM THRILLED TO BE PART OF THIS TASK FORCE, AND I KNOW OUR FOUNDER, KATHY O'KEEFE WOULD JUST BE A STATIC THAT WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE THIS PARTNERSHIP AND WORK TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY TO FACE A TERRIBLE THING TO FACE ADDICTION AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE BECAUSE IT DOES HAPPEN RIGHT HERE.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE THIS AND TO WORK ON THIS.
MY NAME IS KATHY TRAVIS AND I'M HONORED TO SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF WINNING THE FIGHT AND HELP RUN THE ORGANIZATION AT THIS TIME.
I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY NOT ONLY AS A FIERCE ADVOCATE FOR ADDICTION RECOVERY, DRUG EDUCATION, AND MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS, BUT ALSO AS A MOTHER.
MY DAUGHTER BATTLED ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, AND ULTIMATELY ADDICTION.
HER FIGHT ENDED WITH AN ACCIDENTAL OVERDOSE CAUSED BY FENTANYL.
SHE WAS 25-YEARS-OLD AND DIED ON JANUARY 29TH, 2021.
ADDICTION AND MENTAL HEALTH STRUGGLES DO NOT DISCRIMINATE.
THEY AFFECT THE RICH AND THE POOR, THE YOUNG, AND THE OLD ACROSS EVERY RACE BACKGROUND AND ZIP CODE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY ACKNOWLEDGING THE ISSUE AND DOING THE WORK TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY.
WINNING THE FIGHT IS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING EDUCATION, SUPPORT, AND RESOURCES TO YOUTH AND FAMILIES IMPACTED BY ADDICTION.
OUR GOAL IS TO EQUIP INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, AND ENTIRE COMMUNITIES WITH THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO FIGHT THIS DISEASE AND PREVENT FURTHER LOSS.
WE ARE PROUD TO PARTNER WITH THE MEMBERS OF THIS TASK FORCE BECAUSE WE KNOW IT TAKES A VILLAGE.
I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT A FEW PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
ONE OF THEM IS MONDAYS ON ADMISSION.
TONIGHT, ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS IS HAPPENING.
IT'S A NEW PROGRAM DESIGNED TO FOSTER JUST AN OPEN CONVERSATION OF LEARNING AND HEALING.
I HAVE SOME FLIERS THAT I'M GOING TO HAND ALL.
WHAT IT IS, IT'S JUST AN OPEN CONVERSATION.
WE'RE INVITING PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITIES IN TO TALK ABOUT SUBSTANCE USE TO TALK ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH, HOW HOW THEY ARE CONNECTED, AND JUST QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT PARENTS MIGHT HAVE THAT STUDENTS MIGHT HAVE AND WE WANT TO BE THERE FOR THEM.
WE HAVE A THERAPIST IN THE ROOM TO TALK.
THAT IS ONE OF OUR KEY PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S AT TREACH, UNITED METHODIST CHURCH ON MONDAYS, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM AND START.
WE'LL TAKE A BREAK IN NOVEMBER AND IT'LL START UP AGAIN IN DECEMBER.
>> WHAT TIME ARE THOSE MEETINGS?
>> THEY START RIGHT NOW THEY ARE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK TONIGHT.
THEN IN DECEMBER, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, IT'S GOING TO BE IN FLOWER MOUND AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT EXACT LOCATION AT THIS TIME.
THEN ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT WE'RE DOING IS I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT, CALLED THE RIPPLE EFFECT.
THE RIPPLE EFFECT IS TWO COINCIDING GROUPS.
ONE OF THEM IS FOR PARENTS AND CAREGIVERS IN ONE GROUP AND THE OTHER ONE IS FOR TEENS, 14-16 YEAR OLDS.
SO FOR THE PARENTS AND CAREGIVERS, WE WANT THEM TO LEARN HOW TO BE A SUPPORT TEAM, TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATION WITH THEIR TEAMS, TO NAVIGATE THOSE TOUGH SYSTEMS WITHIN THE SCHOOLS, DISCIPLINE, PROBATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
TEAMS TO HELP THEM BUILD COPING SKILLS, TO LEARN HOW TO TALK OPENLY, AND TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT THEIR FUTURE.
THAT IS A BRAND NEW PROGRAM THAT WE'RE STARTING AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS GETTING IT OUT THERE.
THE OTHER BIG ISSUE IS TO GET PEOPLE TO COME BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT THEY MIGHT NEED TO COME OR TO THINK THAT THEY NEED TO COME.
BECAUSE EVERYONE NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT ANY OF IT CAN HAPPEN HERE AND IF YOU OR I GO, WE MIGHT BE GOING BECAUSE OF OUR NEIGHBOR TO HELP THEM, BECAUSE MAYBE WE CAN LEARN SOMETHING TO HELP SOMEBODY ELSE.
WE DON'T LIVE IN A BUBBLE, WE CAN HELP OTHER PEOPLE.
I NEVER THOUGHT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD HAPPEN TO ME AND MY FAMILY.
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I RAISED MY CHILDREN HERE IN FLOWER MOUND AND IT DID.THIS IS WHAT WINNING THE FIGHT IS DOING.
THIS IS WHAT OUR TASK FORCE IS DOING.
WE'RE PUSHING EDUCATION, COMMUNICATION.
THOSE ARE TWO PROGRAMS. WE ALSO HAVE SUPPORT GROUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT, BUT YOU'LL WANT TO GET ON WITH YOUR MEETING.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF OUR TASK FORCE FOR BELIEVING IN US AND SUPPORTING US.
I'M GOING TO HAND YOU THESE FIRES IF THAT'S OKAY, MAYOR.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S EXCELLENT.
>> I APPRECIATE YOU COMING FORWARD AND GIVING US THAT INFORMATION.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THE RIPPLE EFFECT MEETINGS, WHERE AND WHEN RIGHT ON THAT YET?
>> ON THIS FIRE, IT SAYS THEY'RE EVERY SUNDAY AT FIVE, BUT WE HAVE PAUSED THEM.
AS SOON AS WE HAVE A NEW MEETING DATE, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT AN E MAIL GOES OUT AT JP WILL HAVE IT.
THE TOWN COUNCIL WILL HAVE IT.
YES. BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO COME.
THAT'S OUR BIGGEST THING. THEY'RE ALL STACKED.
>> I MEAN, JAMES, WE CAN TALK TO COMMUNICATIONS AND PROBABLY DO SOMETHING TO SUPPORT THAT, RIGHT?
>> NO, ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL COORDINATE AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEM FIND ANY MESSAGE TO GET OUT TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT PARTICIPATION IN THIS?
>> NO, THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GOOD PRESENTATION.
WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT IS NEXT.
[E. PUBLIC COMMENT ]
I JUST HAVE THESE TWO COMMENT CARDS.THAT'S IT. FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE IN HERE, I ONLY HAVE TWO COMMENT CARDS.
THESE ARE FOR ITEMS NOT ON PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND A TIMER WILL GO OFF 30 SECONDS BEFORE YOUR TIME IS UP, SO DON'T WORRY.
YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO SPEAK. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU COME FORWARD.
>> HELLO, TIM WESTON AT, 2300 OLYMPIA DRIVE.
THE REASON I'M HERE IS THERE WAS RECENTLY AN ORDINANCE IN HIGHLAND VILLAGE, WHICH OUTLAWED THESE NEIGHBORHOOD NEWSPAPERS OR WHATEVER THEY ARE THAT GET THROWN UP IN YOUR YARD AND THEY JUST SIT THERE IN A LOT OF INSTANCES, AT LEAST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS REPEATED THROUGHOUT FLOWER MOUND.
THE HIGHLAND VILLAGE ORDINANCE SAID THAT THEY HAD TO BE PUT ON THE FRONT PORCH, OR YOU VIOLATED THE LITTER ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN.
THERE WERE SOME PROVISIONS WHERE YOU COULD OPT OUT OF THE DELIVERY OF THIS ANYHOW.
I BELIEVE THIS IS A BIG WASTE IN FLOWER MOUND AND THE RESIDENTS WOULD APPRECIATE A SIMILAR ORDINANCE PASSED HERE.
IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER THIS AND MAKE IT AN AGENDA ITEM AT SOME POINT.
>> SURE, THAT WAS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> OH, SORRY PUBLIC HEARING. WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT.
>> THAT'S IT. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? WE'LL MOVE ON.
NEXT SO I DON'T GO OUT OF ORDER.
[F. ANNOUNCEMENTS]
I HAVE A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS I WANT TO MAKE.WE HAVE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT TOMORROW.
I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S REGISTERED TO HAVE THE POLICE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND SOME OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS COME OUT THERE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE VISITING YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
HOPEFULLY YOU ALL WILL GET OUT AND ENJOY YOUR NEIGHBORS.
THAT'S FROM WHAT 6-9 TOMORROW.
WE'LL BE DRIVING AROUND VISITING THE NEIGHBORS.
WE ALSO HAVE A BIG EVENT THIS WEEKEND.
FRIDAY AND SATURDAY WE HAVE THE FALL INTO FLOWER MOUND FESTIVAL.
IT'S FRIDAY, OCTOBER 10TH FROM 5:00-10:00 PM.
AND SATURDAY, OCTOBER 11TH FROM NOON TO 10:00 PM.
WE'LL BE THERE. IT'S AT THE RIVER WALK. IT'S GREAT FUN.
THEN WE HAVE THE FLOWER MOUND POLICE DEPARTMENT.
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THEY'RE HAVING THEIR OPEN HOUSE ON OCTOBER 18TH.THAT'S 10-2 OFF OF KIRKPATRICK AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S GREAT FUN. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? I'M GOING TO ADD ONE. WE DO HAVE ONE MORE COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE THIS EVENT OCCURS, BUT DIWALI IS ON OCTOBER 25TH IN THE TOWN, WE'RE CELEBRATING IT IN HERITAGE PARK.
IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO IT, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT IT IS SO MUCH FUN.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL CEREMONY, AND THEN THEY CAP IT OFF WITH SOME OF THE BEST FIREWORKS I'VE EVER SEEN.
>> I HAVE SOMETHING, CHERYL, ALSO.
JUST A REMINDER ABOUT EARLY VOTING.
WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ELECTION.
THAT'LL BE TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 4TH.
THERE'S 17 PROPOSITIONS ON THE BALLOT AND ONE LIST POSITION, AND HOPEFULLY YOU'RE ALREADY REGISTERED BECAUSE THE DEADLINE WAS TODAY.
EARLY VOTING BEGINS ON OCTOBER 20TH.
>> THAT'S IT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE TOWN MANAGER'S REPORT.
[G. TOWN MANAGER'S REPORT ]
JAMES, I KNOW YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.>> REALLY JUST ONE QUICK ITEM FOR THE PUBLIC.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WE HAVE AN AMAZING COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, AND WHEN YOU COME TO TOWN HALL AND YOU GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR, THAT TROPHY CASE IS JUST FOR OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE PUT THE REST OF OUR AWARDS, BUT I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT JUST THE WORK THAT THEY DO, AND AT THE CITY COUNTY COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING ASSOCIATION ARE CALLED THREE CMA.
O COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT RACKED UP THREE ADDITIONAL AWARDS.
THEY GOT FIRST PLACE FOR THE BEST PROMOTIONAL VIDEO, AND THAT WAS OUR TRANSITION TO THE.GOV INSTEAD OF OUR.COM WEB ADDRESS.
THEY GOT SECOND PLACE FOR OUR 2024 STATED A CITY VIDEO.
THEN ALSO THEY WON THIRD PLACE FOR PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE CYCLE AND SOAK VIDEO.
I THINK NEXT YEAR AND TALKING ABOUT OUR FALL FESTIVAL, WE DID OUR LITTLE VERSION OF A HALLMARK MOVIE.
I'M SURE WE'LL GET HARDWARE FOR THAT TOO.
BUT THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB GETTING OUR MESSAGING OUT AND FUN AND CREATIVE WAYS, ENGAGING THE PUBLIC AND JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR GREAT WORK AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GETTING RECOGNITION FROM THEIR NATIONAL ASSOCIATION.
I JUST WANTED TO PLUG THE GREAT WORK THAT OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT IS DOING.
>> NEXT ITEM IT IS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS,
[H. FUTURE AGENDA ITEM(S) ]
AND IT'S INTERESTING TIM CAME UP AND SPOKE ON THE FLYERS BECAUSE I SPOKE TO OUR HIGHLAND VILLAGE MAYOR.I TALKED TO HER A FEW WEEKS AGO ABOUT IT, AND THEN WE GOT AN EMAIL ON THOSE FLYERS AS WELL.
I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM. BE GOOD.
I ACTUALLY HAD A NOTE TONIGHT INCIDENTALLY ON THAT.
>> I WOULD JUST ADD THE TOWN DOES HAVE A SOLICITATION ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES HAND BILLS LIKE SAVE.COM AND LIKE THE FREE NEWSPAPERS.
WE CAN CERTAINLY WRITE UP A SUMMARY AND EMAIL THAT TO COUNCIL, AND WE CAN SHARE IT WITH TIM AS WELL SINCE WE HAVE HIS CONTACT INFORMATION.
THEN IF YOU'LL THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IS NEEDED MORE, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING IT FORWARD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
>> YEAH. MAYBE JUST SOMETHING TO FIRM IT UP BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF THAT.
COULD YOU INCLUDE ENFORCEMENT? THANK YOU.
[I. COORDINATION OF CALENDARS ]
WE HAVE OCTOBER 16TH.WE HAVE A WORK SESSION, AND THEN OCTOBER 20TH, WE HAVE A TOURS MEETING AND THEN A REGULAR MEETING FOLLOWING THAT, IF EVERYONE CAN MAKE THAT.
>> I'LL LIKELY MISS THE TOURS MEETING.
>> YOU'LL MISS THAT, BUT YOU CAN MAKE THE REGULAR?
>> OKAY. THAT'S FINE. WE HAVE NEXT ITEM J.
[J. CONSENT ITEM(S) ]
WE HAVE SOME CONSENT ITEMS. I KNOW MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN NEEDS TO ABSTAIN.>> I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM ITEM 12, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THE OTHERS IF WE COULD SEPARATE THEM OUT.
>> OKAY. I GUESS I'LL JUST SAY I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS J1 THROUGH 11 AS WRITTEN.
>> TRACY, YOU WANT TO TAKE THE ROLE.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL?
>> OKAY. ITEMS J1 THROUGH 11 PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
NOW THAT MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN HAS REMOVED HERSELF, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND WE CAN MAKE A MOTION ON ITEM J12.
JAMES, YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT? WERE YOU WANTING TO MAKE A COMMENT OR NO? OKAY.
>> I'LL MOVE. [OVERLAPPING] APPROVAL OF CONSENT ITEM J12 AS PRESENTED. SECOND.
>> OKAY. TRACY, CAN YOU TAKE THE ROLL?
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>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL?
OH, I'M SORRY. SHE'S ABSTAINED AND COUNCILMEMBER TAYLOR?
>> OKAY. ITEM J12 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN REMOVED HERSELF BECAUSE OF HER INVOLVEMENT WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY.
[K.1.Performing Arts Center Pre-Design Phase Services - Consider approval of the Standard Form Master Agreement Between Owner and Architect (AIA Document B121-2018) and Service Order 1.1 (AIA Document B221-2018) from Hoefer Welker, LLC to perform Architectural and Engineering pre-design phase services for the Flower Mound Performing Arts Center, in the amount of $583,500.00; and authorization for the Mayor to execute same on behalf of the Town. ]
THE FIRST REGULAR ITEM IS OUR PERFORMING ART CENTER.I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE ON THIS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
THE RIVER WALK HAS BEEN A PLACE THAT EVERYONE IDENTIFIES WITH AS BEING VERY BEAUTIFUL, AND I KNOW IT'S LACKED A HOME FOR THE ACTIVITIES THAT WERE PROMISED AT THE ONSET OF BUILDING THIS RIVER WALK.
NOW WE ARE MAKING A CHANGE AND WE ARE PUTTING IN A CULTURAL ART CENTER.
THEY'RE PERFORMING ART CENTER, SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
IT WILL DEFINITELY BRING CULTURE VIBRANCY TO THIS AREA CONNECTION, AND SO THIS IS OUR PRESENTATION ON THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS.
>> PERFECT. THANK YOU. PERFECT SUMMARY.
I'M BRIAN WALTBERG, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
THIS ITEMS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A MASTER AGREEMENT AND SERVICE ORDER 1 FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING PRE-DESIGN PHASE SERVICES FOR THE FLOWER MOUND PERFORMING ART CENTER.
THERE MAY BE PEOPLE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ARE LIKE, WAIT, THE TOWN'S DOING A PERFORMANCE ART CENTER, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I JUST WANTED TO BEFORE WE WENT INTO WHAT THE PREDESIGN PHASE SERVICES WAS, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
I'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT THE NEXT STEPS AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OFF TO OUR ARCHITECT HOEFER WELKER BORA, AND THEY'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION THEY'D LIKE TO PROVIDE.
WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYTIME, ACTUALLY.
THE FLOWER MOUND ART CENTER, WE'RE IN THE BEGINNING PROCESS OF DESIGNING THE PERFORMING ART CENTER.
IT'LL BE LOCATED ON THAT 3.76 ACRE TOWN OWN PIECE OF LAND WITHIN THE RIVER WALK DEVELOPMENT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT'S JUST NORTH OF THE RESTAURANT ROW THERE ON THE RIVER.
THE FACILITY COULD INCLUDE AMENITIES SUCH AS A MAIN STAGE THEATER, FLEXIBLE PERFORMANCE SPACES, MULTIPURPOSE ROOMS, CLASSROOMS, ADMINISTRATION AND SUPPORT SPACES, GALLERY, EXHIBITION SPACE, POSSIBLY HOSTING ROTATING SHOWS AND RECEPTIONS, AS WELL AS OUTDOOR SPACES, OPPORTUNITIES FOR GATHERING AND OUTDOOR PERFORMANCES IN ADDITION TO CONNECTIVITY TO THE RIVER WALK TRAIL SYSTEM AND THE NEIGHBORING RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL AND HOTEL LOCATIONS.
IN 2018, THIS IS WHEN IT BECAME MORE OFFICIAL, BUT THERE WAS TALK ABOUT A CULTURAL ARTS CENTER LONG BEFORE THAT.
BUT IN 2018, THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION THEY PUT TOGETHER A CULTURAL ARTS MASTER PLAN, AND THAT MASTER PLAN HAD ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO EXPLORE DEVELOPMENT OF A CULTURAL ART CENTER OR VENUE, IT WILL SERVE AS A HUB FOR ARTS, CULTURAL, AND CREATIVE PROGRAMMING.
IN 2019, THE TOWN DID AN ASSESSMENT TO IDENTIFY A POSSIBLE ART CENTER, POSSIBLE USAGES, CONFIGURATIONS OF THAT CENTER AND THEN IN LOOKING AT COST AS WELL.
THEN 2020, THE TOWN COUNCIL DURING THE STRATEGIC PLAN SESSION, WAS PRESENTED THAT ASSESSMENT, AND IT DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS A NEED FOR OUR ART CENTER, AND THEY AT THE TIME, SAID, GO AHEAD AND DO PHASE 2, WHICH IS DEVELOP THE BUSINESS PLAN.
IN AUGUST 2ND, WE PRESENTED THAT BUSINESS PLAN TO TOWN COUNCIL.
IN 2022, WE LOOKED AT THE FEASIBILITY OF CONSTRUING THE ART CENTER AT 1800 TIMBER CREEK ROAD.
THAT IS THE CURRENT LENNAR AND HELEN JOHN'S PARK.
IN THE PAST, THERE WAS AN LAC ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
WE LOOKED AT UTILIZING THAT BUILDING FOR AN ART CENTER TRYING TO RE-PURPOSE IT THE TOWN PURCHASED THAT BUILDING.
SINCE THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT LENNAR AND HELEN JOHN'S MASTER PLAN NOW, SO WE'LL BE TO EXPAND THE PARK, BUT IT DIDN'T REALLY WORK WELL FOR UTILIZING JUST BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE BUILDING AND THE EXPENSE OF RENOVATING IT TO WHAT WE NEEDED IT FOR.
IN 2022 IN JUNE 16TH, DURING THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION, THE TOWN DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES THE LENNAR AND HELEN JOHN'S PARK, AND THEY WANTED MORE OF A MIXED USE SETTING.
IN 2024, THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE RIVER WALK.
WE DID A FEASIBILITY AT IT, AND WE IDENTIFIED THAT IT WAS CENTRALLY LOCATED.
THE RIVER WALK DEVELOPERS WERE OPEN TO IT.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR AN AMPHITHEATER.
YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
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THAT'S THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.THEN IN SEPTEMBER, THE TOWN PURCHASED THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY FROM THE RIVER WALK.
IN OCTOBER 2024, FOR FUNDING OF THIS FACILITY, THEY RECOMMENDED EXTENDING THE TIRZ NUMBER 1 TO FUND THAT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT THERE, THAT IS THE TIRZ AREA, AND THIS IS A GREAT USE FOR TIRZ FUNDING.
NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024, TOWN COUNCIL VOTED TO EXTEND IT.
ON DECEMBER 17TH, DENTON COUNTY AND THE TOWN AMENDED THEIR TIRZ AGREEMENT TO DETAIL PROJECT COORDINATIONS, AND THEN DENTON COUNTY'S TIRZ CONTRIBUTION TO THE PROJECT, SO THEY'RE FUNDING A PORTION OF THIS TO THEIR TIRZ CONTRIBUTIONS.IN MARCH 2025, WE RECEIVED WE PUT ON AN RFQ FOR ENGINEERING OR ARCHITECTURE SERVICES, AND WE RECEIVED 28 FIRM QUALIFICATIONS.
I WILL SAY THEY WERE VERY QUALIFIED.
A LOT OF THEM WERE VERY QUALIFIED FIRMS. WE DID A THOROUGH INTERVIEW PROCESS.
THERE WAS A SELECTION COMMITTEE WITH FLOWER MOUND AND DENTON COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES.
WE ULTIMATELY INTERVIEWED AND REVIEWED ALL THOSE.
WE REVIEWED THEM IN THE INTERVIEWED THE TOP THREE, AND HOEFER WELKER AND BOER ARCTIC CAME OUT ABOVE THE REST.
WE'RE EXCITED TO WORK WITH THEM AND ESPECIALLY ON THE PROJECTS THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WE KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
IN OCTOBER 6TH, THAT'S TONIGHT, WE'RE PRESENTING THE PRE-DESIGN PHASE SERVICE AWARD.
WHAT'S NEXT? WE WE GO FROM HERE? IF APPROVED TONIGHT, HOEFER WELKER AND BORA WILL BEGIN ITS PRE-DESIGN PHASE, THAT INCLUDES VISIONING, GOAL SETTING, SPACE PROGRAMMING, CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, WILL DO SOME BENCHMARKING TOURS, ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, AS WELL AS OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, AND THEN SITE AND MASTER PLAN AND A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I'LL LET HOEFER WELKER AND BORA GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO DURING THEIR PRESENTATION.
IN ADDITION, TOWN STAFF IS WORKING TO COMPLETE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR THE SITE, PARKING STUDY, TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, AND EVENT MANAGEMENT PLANS.
THAT WILL DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY, BUT WE'RE DOING THESE RIGHT NOW TO HELP INFORM THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY AS PART OF THE PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE ACTUAL SIZE AND WHAT USES THE FACILITY WILL ENTAIL.
FOLLOWING THE COMPLETION OF THAT CONCEPTUAL DESIGN IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL DO A AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT PLAN AND WE'LL HAVE HOEFER WELKER AND BORA DO THE DESIGN OF THE FACILITY.
WE WERE ORIGINALLY SCOPING THE DESIGN.
WE REALIZED REAL QUICK THAT WHILE WE KNOW GENERALLY WHAT THE FACILITY IS GOING TO BE, THE WORKSHOPS AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS REALLY GOING TO HELP DETERMINE THAT.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT DESIGN IS UNTIL WE DO ALL THIS.
ONCE WE DO THAT, FIGURE OUT CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AND ASK FOR DESIGN PHASE SERVICES.
THEN AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S A LINK THERE FLOWERMOUND.GOV/ARTCENTER.
THEY'LL ALSO BE A LINK ON THE ACTUAL WEBSITE, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FOLLOW ALONG.
IT'S NOT UP RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED.
AS SOON AS IT GETS APPROVED, A COMMUNICATIONS WILL ACTIVATE THAT WEBSITE AND YOU CAN GO ON THERE AND SEE ALL THE HISTORY THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AS WELL AS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE FUTURE.
LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER.
WE CAN WAIT TILL AFTER THE PRESENTATION, BUT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE RICHARD MILLER.
HE'S WITH HOEFER WELKER, AND HE REPRESENTS HOEFER WELKER BORA.
>> THANK YOU, BRIAN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL.
AS BRIAN SAID, MY NAME IS RICHARD MILLER.
I'M A PRINCIPAL ARCHITECT WITH HOEFER WELKER ARCHITECTS.
WE ARE LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO INTRODUCE OUR HOEFER WELKER BORA TEAM AND TO DISCUSS OUR SCOPE AND OUR VISION FOR YOUR PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WORKING WITH THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND ON YOUR NEW FORMAT ART CENTER.
WE SHARE THIS VISION THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT PLANNING A CREATIVE DESTINATION AND A CULTURAL HUB THAT WILL ENHANCE THE HEART OF FLOWER MOUND AND OFFERING A WIDE RANGE OF PERFORMANCE, EDUCATIONAL AND EVENT SPACES THAT WILL MEET THE EVOLVING NEEDS OF YOUR COMMUNITY WELL INTO THE FUTURE.
NOW, OUR ARCHITECTURAL TEAM IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN HOEFER WELKER AND BORA.
HOEFER WELKER WILL SERVE AS THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD, RESPONSIBLE FOR PROJECT MANAGEMENT, AND FOR THE PROJECT DELIVERY.
BORA ARCHITECTS, LOCATED IN PORTLAND, WILL SERVE AS THE DESIGN ARCHITECT RESPONSIBLE FOR DESIGN LEADERSHIP AND INTERIOR DESIGN.
BORA IS A NATIONALLY ACCLAIMED ARCHITECT WITH
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OVER 80 PERFORMING ART CENTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO THEIR CREDIT, INCLUDING SIX IN TEXAS.A FEW NOTEWORTHY TEXAS PROJECTS BY BORA INCLUDE THE TEXAS CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MUSIC AND VAN CLYBURN CONCERT HALL, THE WAGNER KNOLL ART CENTER FOR MIDDLETON AND ODESSA, IN THE BASS PERFORMANCE HALL AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN.
>> NOW, COMPLEMENTING OUR HOEFER WELKER AND BORA TEAM IS AN EXCEPTIONAL TEAM OF DESIGNERS, ENGINEERS, AND PERFORMING ARTS CENTER SPECIALISTS.
I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THOSE, IF I MAY.
OF COURSE, HOEFER WELKER AND BORA IS ARCHITECT.
OUR CIVIL ENGINEER IS MCADAMS. LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS OJB, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IS WALTER P. MOORE.
OUR MEP ENGINEER IS COLLABORATIVE ENGINEERING.
OUR THEATER PLANNER AND AV IS SCHULER SHOOK.
ACOUSTIC ENGINEER IS JAFFE HOLDEN.
OUR TECHNOLOGY AND SECURITY IS DATACOM DESIGN.
OUR ARTS MARKET AND ASSESSMENT UPDATE WILL BE BY WEBB MANAGEMENT AND OUR COST ESTIMATING IS BY VERMEULEN.
I'D LIKE TO ALSO INTRODUCE OUR CORE LEADERSHIP TEAM.
OUR DESIGN PRINCIPAL IS MICHAEL TINGLEY OF BORA.
OUR CIVIC PRACTICE LEADER IS JAMES BEERS, AND OUR SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER IS JEFF HALL, MARK SHOPMEYER, IS AN ARCHITECT AND SPECIALIST IN PERFORMING ART SPACES WITH BORA.
KATY MARTIN IS OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH OJB, AND THEN BOBBY DOLLAK, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER WITH MCADAMS. NOW, HOEFER WELKER AND BORA BELIEVE THAT THE BEST DESIGN REALLY EMERGES WHEN WE WORK WITH OUR CLIENTS TO SHAPE A PROJECT THAT BEST FITS YOUR VISION.
WE ACCOMPLISH THIS WITH OPEN AND CONSISTENT COMMUNICATION, IDENTIFYING GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, PINPOINTING CRITICAL ISSUES, ACHIEVING KEY MILESTONES, AND DELIVERING PROJECTS ON SCHEDULE AND ON BUDGET.
THIS WILL ENSURE OUR TEAM HAS A SOLID UNDERSTANDING OF THE SHARED OBJECTIVES TO BETTER SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER, LEADING TO YOUR PROJECT SUCCESS.
ALSO, WE WILL UTILIZE A VERY HIGHLY PARTICIPATORY AND COLLABORATIVE DESIGN PROCESS THAT DRAWS INSPIRATION FROM YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOUR STAKEHOLDERS.
ENGAGEMENT THROUGH INTERACTIVE WORKSHOPS WILL BE KEY TO ESTABLISHING AND IDENTIFYING YOUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND PROJECT REQUIREMENTS.
WE WILL ALSO CONDUCT BENCHMARKING TOURS TO ESTABLISH BEST PRACTICES AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS.
AS PART OF THIS PRE-DESIGN PHASE, WE WILL BEGIN YOUR PROJECT WITH THE UKPRE-DESIGN PHASE THAT WILL LAST APPROXIMATELY 15 WEEKS.
DURING THIS PRE-DESIGN PHASE, WE WILL FOCUS ON THREE PRIMARY AREAS, VISIONING AND GOAL SETTING, SPACE PROGRAMMING, AND CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.
BUT RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THOSE PRIMARY ACTIVITIES, WE'LL CONDUCT OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE PREVIOUS MARKET ASSESSMENT REPORT.
WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP A MASTER PLAN, AND WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE SUSTAINABLE DESIGN PRINCIPLES, DEVELOP A COST ESTIMATE, AND WE WILL ASSIST THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND WITH THE SELECTION OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRE-DESIGN PHASE, AND WITH AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED INTO THE DESIGN PHASE, WE WILL BEGIN THE BASE SERVICES SCOPE.
NOW, WE WILL HAVE THREE DESIGN PHASES WITHIN THAT CORE SCOPE, SCHEMATIC DESIGN, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTATION.
A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK DELIVERY MODEL WITH PRE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES WILL BE UTILIZED THAT WILL INCLUDE A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE AT THE END OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT PHASE.
WITH NOTICE TO PROCEED, BY FLOWER MOUND, WE WILL PROCEED INTO CONSTRUCTION, AND WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE COMPLETE IN THE EARLY PART OF SPRING OF 2029.
WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND, WE ENVISION CREATING A COMMUNITY LIVING ROOM CENTERED ON THE ARTS.
IT IS GOING TO BE AN ART CENTER EMBEDDED IN A PARK THAT CREATES A PLACE FOR PERFORMANCE, EDUCATION, AND SOCIAL EVENTS.
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IT WILL BE ACTIVE WHETHER THERE IS A PERFORMANCE HAPPENING OR NOT.IT WILL BE A PLACE TO COME FOR CELEBRATION FOR INSPIRATION AND FOR CONNECTION.
NOW, WE ALWAYS START THIS PROCESS BY LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN.
WE STUDY THE SITE, WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONTEXT, WE LOOK AT TOPOGRAPHY, WE LOOK AT THE SOLAR ORIENTATION NATURAL AMENITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
AS WE BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT WHERE ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM? WHERE DO PEOPLE PARK? WHAT ARE THE OTHER AMENITIES LIKE THE RETAIL AND THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE JUST TO THE SOUTH ALONG THE RIVER WALK? THAT BEGINS TO HELP SHAPE SOME OF THESE IDEAS THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE WITH YOU ALL.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS DURING OUR INTERVIEW, WE PRESENTED A FEW POSSIBLE IDEAS CONSISTING OF THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN PLANNING DIAGRAMS, ON YOUR 3.67 ACRE SITE.
THESE DIAGRAMS THAT WE EXPLORED ACTUALLY FOR OUR INTERVIEW THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT BEGINS TO LOOK AT THE PLACEMENT OF THE PERFORMING ART CENTER, ANY OUTDOOR FORMAL OR INFORMAL AREAS AS PART OF THE PARK, A PERFORMANCE LAWN WITH A STAGE, CHILDREN PLAY AREAS, FOOD AND BEVERAGE LOCATIONS, AND OTHER AMENITIES.
THERE IS NO DESIGN SOLUTION YET, BUT WE SEE MANY MORE RICH OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE WITH YOU.
BUT THESE ARE JUST THREE IDEAS THAT WE CAME UP WITH JUST TO GENERATE THE DISCUSSION AND AND DREAM.
THIS FIRST ONE IS WHAT WE CALL THE PARK EMBRACE.
THIS CONCEPT STUDY LOCATING THE FOREIGN ART CENTER TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE WITH THE PARK AMENITIES TO THE SOUTH, INCLUDING THE PERFORMANCE LAWN AND STAGE, THE CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE, WILL STRUCTURE AND ANCHOR IN THE SOUTH.
THESE ARE THE DIAGRAMS THAT WE LIKE TO USE THAT WE PRESENT.
THEY'RE FREE FLOWING AND WE CAN DO THESE FAIRLY QUICKLY JUST TO BEGIN TO EXPLORE IDEAS, AND WE CAN DO THAT IN REAL TIME DURING THESE WORKSHOPS.
THE NEXT CONCEPT THAT WE SHARED IS CALLED THE BIG PORCH.
THIS CONCEPT HAS A PERFORMING ART CENTER LOCATED AT THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE WITH A BIG PORCH OVERLOOKING THE OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE LAWN TO THE NORTH, WITH THE PERFORMANCE LAWN AND STAGE, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, AND OTHER FORMAL AND INFORMAL AMENITIES.
THEN FINALLY, THE RIVER WALK CONCEPT.
THIS CONCEPT HAS THE PERFORMING ART CENTER CENTRALLY LOCATED ON THE SITE WITH A PORCH OVERLOOKING THE OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE AREAS TO THE NORTH, WITH A PERFORMANCE AREA STAGE, BEVERAGE IN FORMAL AND INFORMAL AMENITIES AND SO FORTH.
BUT TO THE SOUTH IS THE FLEX LAWN CONNECTED TO THE RIVER WALK THAT ALLOWS PEDESTRIANS TO LOOK AT THE ARTS PROGRAMS AS THEY WALK ALONG THE RIVER WALK, WHICH COULD BE VERY EXCITING AS WELL.
NOW, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PARK SETTING, THIS URBAN PARK, AND WE REALLY THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN REALLY ACTIVATE THIS SITE ALONG WITH THE PERFORMING ART CENTER.
WE THINK ABOUT THIS SPACE AS BEING A PLACE WHERE EVERYBODY CAN COME TOGETHER.
IT'S WHERE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES AND MAYBE SOME AD HOC MUSICIANS, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE IS REALLY EXCITING AND THE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK OUT ONTO THE RIVER WALK AND THE RIVER REALLY COULD BE A LOT OF FUN.
THESE ARE THE IMAGES THAT WE WILL START TO EXPLORE AND LOOK TO FOR INSPIRATION AS WE BEGIN THIS DESIGN PROCESS.
THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND ONE OF THE REASONS I'M INVOLVED IN THE TOWN BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO BE A PART OF THIS.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT MOVING FORWARD, AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT.
IT'S GOING TO BRING A LOT OF VIBRANCY TO THAT AREA THAT WE NEED.
I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING INVOLVED.
I KNOW THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING PROCESS OF THAT.
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>> I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
BRIAN, PROBABLY MORE TOWN RELATED PART OF THE BUSINESS.
I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PORTION WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE HAD FOR THE CAC EXPANSION AND RENOVATION.
CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT ALREADY BE ENVISIONING THE ENGAGEMENT?
>> WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT TRYING TO SCHEDULE OF WE JUST STARTED SO SCHEDULING, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
BUT IT'LL DEFINITELY BE A DESIGN PROCESS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE CAC.
THERE IS A STEERING COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW AS THE SELECTION STEERING COMMITTEE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING SEVERAL PEOPLE TO THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
THEN THEY'LL BE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THEY'LL BE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, AND THEN THEY'LL BE STEERING COMMITTEE ENGAGEMENT PIECES OF IT.
DEFINITELY OPPORTUNITIES FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO BE INVOLVED.
IF YOU WANT TO BE INVOLVED, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON THE COMMITTEE OR AT LEAST ON A WORKSHOP, WHETHER IT'S A PUBLIC COMMUNITY WORKSHOP OR A STAKEHOLDER WORKSHOP.
PLEASE YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME.
I'LL GET YOU ON THE LIST, SEND YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION, AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT JUST YOU, ANYONE THAT'S LISTENING.
I'LL MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE INCLUDED ON IT.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SPECIFIC STAKEHOLDERS.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ARTS PEOPLE.
THERE'S A LOT OF ART SAY RETAIL.
I GUESS, BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS, THERE'S LISD, THERE'S THE NCTC.
THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO GET ENGAGEMENT, AND WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR THAT.
BUT THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE WORKSHOPS THAT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT WILL BE COMING OUT.
>>
THAT WAS HIRING A DIRECTOR OF THE FACILITY AND I KNOW THAT WAS DEFERRED A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE AND HEAR ABOUT PLANS FOR THAT, WHEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING THAT PERSON ON BOARD AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE DURING THE DESIGN PHASE BECAUSE I JUST BELIEVE THAT THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE ENVISION REALLY WILL BE CENTRAL AND SHOULD BE DISCUSSED BEFORE THE DESIGN.
I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY, OH, I WISH WE ADDED THIS, I WISH WE HAD THAT.
CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT HAVE THE ARCHITECTURE REFLECT THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE WANT TO PROMOTE?
>> SURE. I KNOW CHUCK HAS BEEN PRETTY INVOLVED IN THAT.
I THINK JAMES OR GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT MORE THAN I CAN.
>> YES. WITH THAT, AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS AND SOMEWHAT TIES TO THE CONVERSATION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE WORK SESSION IS THAT BRINGING ON THE MANAGER WAS SOMETHING THAT WE CUT FROM THE BUDGET AS OUR REVENUES FELL SHORT AND WE HAD A BUDGET CRUNCH AND PUTTING THIS YEAR'S FISCAL YEAR BUDGET TOGETHER.
BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE ITEMS I WOULD POINT TO IS SOMETHING WE'RE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO HAVE TO FUND AT A CERTAIN POINT, ESPECIALLY NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO POSITION ON OCTOBER 1, BUT WE NEED IT AT A CERTAIN POINT.
TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR PRO TEM, IS JUST THE IDEA THAT IF WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING AND CONSTRUCTING THIS BUILDING, WE WANT THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S GOING TO RUN IT TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE STARTING A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET NOW.
BUT AS WE GO INTO IT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD IS THE ABILITY TO BRING THAT PERSON ON WHILE WE'RE DESIGNING AND CONSTRUCTING THE BUILDING.
>> MY LAST ITEM IS MORE OF MAYBE A COMMENT AND OBSERVATION VERSUS QUESTIONS, BUT AS YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE THREE DIFFERENT VISION BOARDS, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT IT WAS MORE PARK ORIENTED THAN I EXPECTED.
I WAS REALLY EXPECTING MORE OF A CULTURAL ART CENTER WHERE WE COULD HAVE PROGRAMMING 12 MONTHS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
I THINK WE HAVE FANTASTIC BEAUTIFUL PARKS AND LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
I WAS HOPING TO SEE LESS OUTDOOR AND MORE INDOOR.
I HOPE AS WE GO ALONG, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MODIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I WILL JUST SAY OUT, I'M NOT A FAN OF AN OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER PERFORMANCE SPACE.
I JUST THINK THE WEATHER HERE WOULD BE SO LIMITING.
WHAT I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR IS MULTI PURPOSE, MULTI USE, AS CLOSE TO 100% PROGRAMMING AS WE CAN GET WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS COMING FORWARD AND BEING ABLE TO USE THE FACILITY, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME REVENUE GENERATION AS WELL TO HELP FUND THIS GOING FORWARD.
BUT FOR ME, I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE SO MUCH OUTDOOR PARK SPACE.
>> AS PART OF THE INTERVIEW, THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAD.
WE HAVEN'T STARTED ON A PROJECT YET.
>> GOOD. WE HAVE TIME TO TALK.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVEN'T HAD OUR FIRST WORKSHOPS.
BUT I ABSOLUTELY AGREE, WE SEE THE VALUE OF MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE VALUE THAT INPUT AND THE INFORMATION THAT THEY SHARE WITH US IN THEIR VISION FOR THIS PROJECT.
I COULD HAVE IDENTIFIED PROGRAM SPACES THAT WE HAVE BEGUN TO THINK ABOUT.
BUT THOSE SPACES HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSED IN A WORKSHOP YET.
BUT I DO LOOK FORWARD TO OF THE TOWN COUNCIL'S ENGAGEMENT
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AS WELL AS GIVING YOU ALL UPDATES ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.>> MAYBE IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN START TO VISIT SOME OF THE FACILITIES THAT YOU HAD A HAND IN.
I SAW YOU WERE INVOLVED ALSO IN THE WALTON ARTS PROJECT.
I'VE BEEN THERE, I THINK SOMETIME WITHIN THE PAST 12 MONTHS, AND I ENJOYED THE VENUE VERY MUCH.
>> WONDERFUL. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME BENCHMARKING TOURS.
I ESTABLISHED THE BEST PRACTICES WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF AS WE BEGIN TO PLAN YOUR FACILITY.
>> WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> RICHARD, I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH ANN A LITTLE BIT.
>> THAT MAY HIGHLIGHT THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AND TRYING TO BALANCE THIS OUT.
RYAN, WERE YOU GOING TO SAY SOMETHING? I'M SORRY.
>> WHEN WE HAVE A LOT AT STAKE HERE. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
THIS RIVER WALK NEEDS SOMETHING, AND SO WE HAVE TO GET THIS RIGHT.
I WAS VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT WE SAW A FEW YEARS AGO, THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A TEMPLATE FOR THIS.
IT'S AN OUTDOOR GATHERING SPACE, A MAIN HALL, A BLACK BOX THEATER, SOME CLASSROOMS, AND A MEETING SPACE.
WHAT WE SAW BEFORE WAS THAT THEY DECONSTRUCTED WHAT LOUISVILLE DID AND WHAT COPPELL DID AND THEY REARRANGED IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY FOR THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND THERE IT IS.
IT'S THE SAME THING EVERY TIME.
I FEEL LIKE IF WE COME OUT OF THIS IN 24 WEEKS OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND WE HAVE THE MODEL AND IT'S THE GRAND THEATER OR THE COPPELL THEATER REARRANGED ON THIS PROPERTY, I'M GOING TO BE VERY DISAPPOINTED.
NOW, I FEEL A LOT BETTER AFTER HAVING SEEN YOUR PRESENTATION.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU GUYS DO GREAT WORK.
I ACTUALLY LIKED SOME OF THOSE MODELS.
IT WAS ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE AN AMPHITHEATER, SO I'M NOT TOO KEEN ON GETTING AWAY FROM THAT IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS BIG FALL FESTIVAL.
THERE'S ALL THESE BANDS, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEWHERE FOR THEM TO PERFORM AS WE GO FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US TAKE ALL THESE GREAT EVENTS THAT WE HAVE ALL OVER TOWN AND HAVE THEM HERE WHERE WE CAN FINALLY GET THIS PLACE ON THE MAP, GET PEOPLE TO GO DOWN THERE AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE BUSINESSES AND GIVE SOMETHING FOR THOSE HOMEOWNERS WHO BOUGHT INTO THAT TO DO.
>> MAYBE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED TO SEE A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
BUT I DON'T WANT US TO TRY TO BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYBODY.
I WANT US TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES FLOWER MOUND DIFFERENT, UNIQUE, AND SPECIAL, AND DO SOMETHING THAT SEPARATES US HONESTLY FROM COPPELL AND FROM LOUISVILLE AND FROM THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THING, A PERFORMING ART CENTER.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING FORWARD.
I THINK THIS IS JUST A BEGINNING STAGE OF THE TALKING STAGE.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN INTO THE PLANNING OF THAT AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
WHEN YOU DO THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME FORWARD BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT GOES IN THERE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO WEED IT OUT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED OVER THERE.
>> I'LL ALSO ADD WE DID TALK ABOUT WHEN WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER THE PRESENTATION TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION MAYBE ON WHAT THE THEATER WOULD BE.
BUT WE ALMOST DIDN'T WANT TO TAINT THE JURY POOL I GUESS, AND PROVIDE PEOPLE WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE WE WANTED TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM THE WORKSHOPS IN A NATURAL WAY.
THAT'S WHY SOME OF THAT WASN'T PUT IN THERE.
BUT I DO AGREE THAT THAT IS DEFINITELY A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS WHOLE THING.
>> I'LL JUST ADD, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT ADDITION TO FLOWER MOUND.
I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE PROCESS PLAY OUT.
I'M EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS, EXCITED TO HEAR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, SEE WHAT THE THOUGHTS ARE THE END RESULT IS.
THESE YOU'VE TALKED OUT FROM THE BEGINNING IS WE DON'T WANT TO COMPETE IN AN OVERSATURATED MARKET. SHINING COMMUNITY.
TO ADAM'S POINT, I THINK WE CAN TAILOR SOMETHING TO FLOWER MOUND THAT FITS US FITS THIS SPACE AND LIKE I SAID, I'M EXCITED TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS AND CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THIS ENDS. THANK YOU.
>> I WANT TO ADD TO THAT. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
I'M ACTUALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE OUTDOOR SPACE EXAMPLE IS GRANDSCAPE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE GO TO THEIR OUTDOOR SPACE, THEY HAVE CONCERTS EVERY WEEKEND, AND IT REALLY DRIVES PEOPLE TO GO TO THE BUSINESSES THERE.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE INTENT TO THIS IS TO DRIVE PEOPLE INTO THE RIVER WALK TO HELP THE BUSINESSES GROW.
ONE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU ALL IS, WE'RE A MUNICIPALITY, AND MYSELF, I'M VERY PHYSICALLY CONSERVATIVE.
HOW DO YOU ADDRESS GIVING OPTIONS AND MAKING SURE YOU MEET THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AIM FOR FOR THE ART CENTER?
>> WE HAVE A COST ESTIMATOR THAT'S INVOLVED AND THEY WILL BE INVOLVED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
AS WE AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THIS PREDESIGN PHASE IS THAT IT ALLOWS US TO REALLY BEGIN TO EXPLORE ALL THESE OPPORTUNITIES AND BEGIN TO PRICE THESE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS.
WE WANT TO KEEP TRACK OF THE PRICING AT ALL TIMES.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE BEST COST ESTIMATORS IN TEXAS THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH MANY TIMES AND KNOWING WHERE WE ARE ALONG THE WAY SO WE CAN MAKE GOOD PRUDENT DECISIONS.
I THINK THAT'S KEY IN STAYING WITHIN OUR BUDGET.
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>> YEAH. IF THERE ARE STEP POINTS WHERE YOU GUYS NEED SOME DECISION POINTS OF COST AND ANALYSIS, I EVEN APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO A WORK SESSION AND WALKING US THROUGH OR EVEN OUR ARTS COMMISSION HAPPY TO GET THEIR OPINION.
>> THAT ACTUALLY WAS A QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK, OUR ART COMMISSION BOARD GOING TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS FORMALLY?
>> YEAH. THEY'LL BE INVITED TO THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.
THEY'LL ALSO BE PRESENTED UPDATES TO THEM PERIODICALLY AS WE'RE PRESENTING THROUGH THE PROJECT TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON BASICALLY THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT AND TO GET FEEDBACK ON THAT.
THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL WILL BOTH BE PROVIDED CONSTANT UPDATES.
>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS AGREEMENT WITH THE ARCHITECT?
>> MOVE TO APPROVE REGULAR ITEM K1 AS PRESENTED.
>> TRACY, WE HAVE A SECOND AND THE THIRD.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL.
>> ITEM K1 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
ITEM K2, AND JULIE TAYLOR IS GOING TO PRESENT ON THIS ON THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION.
[K.2.Reimbursement Resolution - Consider approval of a resolution declaring expectation to reimburse expenditures with proceeds of future debt in the amount of $79,325,000.00 and authorizing the preparation of the documents associated with the issuance, sale, and delivery of the debt obligations; and providing an effective date. ]
>> MY APOLOGIES. GOOD EVENING.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION FOR THE UP AND COMING BOND ISSUANCE IN JUNE OF 2026.
WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION, THIS WILL ENABLE THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS TO HAVE 100% OF FUNDING AVAILABLE BEFORE THE FUNDS ARE ACTUALLY SO THEY CAN BE ENCUMBERED BEFORE THE AWARD OF THE BONDS OR AWARD OF THE CONTRACTS BEFORE THE BONDS ARE SOLD THIS SUMMER.
THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION WILL ALLOW STAFF TO SATISFY THESE FUNDING REQUIREMENTS SO THAT THEY CAN START THEIR PROJECTS A LITTLE EARLIER BY GETTING THE CONTRACTS UNDERWAY.
THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION WILL COVER THE PROJECTS COVERED ON THE FISCAL YEAR 25, 26 CIP, WHICH YOU ALL APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 15TH AND THEY CAN BE STARTED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE IN JUNE OF 2026.
THIS WILL BE FOR PRELIMINARY EXPENDITURES, DESIGN, ENGINEERING, AND SUCH.
ALL CONTRACTS WILL COME BEFORE COUNCIL BEFORE ANY CONTRACTS ARE AWARDED FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
THIS RESOLUTION IS FOR $79,325,000, AND IT INCLUDES BOTH THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION AND A PORTION OF THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS THAT WERE APPROVED IN MAY.
THE TOTAL IS STREET IMPROVEMENT AND RECONCILIATION.
RECONSTRUCTION IS 8.5 MILLION WITH FIRE FIGHTING FACILITIES 30 MILLION, PARKS 17.3 MILLION, WATER AND WASTEWATER IS 23 MILLION WITH ISSUANCE COSTS COMING IN AN ESTIMATED 340,000.
THIS IS A LONG LIST OF PROJECTS THAT BARELY FIT ON THERE, BUT IT SHOWS THE CATEGORIES IN WHICH SUMMARIZE DETAIL WHICH I JUST SUMMARIZED.
BUT OF THIS LIST, 23.8 IS FROM THE GO ISSUANCES OF PROPOSITION A AND B FOR THE STREET RECONSTRUCTION PARKS AND THE CAC.
IT'S JUST A PORTION OF IT GETTING STARTED.
THEN 32 MILLION OF THE COS WILL BE FOR THE STREETS AND FIREFIGHTING FACILITIES WITH 23 MILLION COMING IN FOR THE UTILITY SYSTEM PROJECTS.
WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
>> ANY COMMENTS? DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
>> I'LL DO IT. I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM K2 AS WRITTEN.
>> TRACY, YOU CAN TAKE THE ROLE.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL.
>> ITEM K2 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[K.3.Dangerous Dog Ordinance - Consider approval of an ordinance amending Article V, Dangerous Animals, of Chapter 6, Animals, of the Town of Flower Mound’s Code of Ordinances, relating to the Dangerous Dog Ordinance. ]
THE DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE.THIS CAME FORWARD TO US AFTER AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED IN FLOWER MOUND.
WE TOOK ACTION TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AGAIN.
BLAKE, YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT?
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>> YES, I DO. TODAY I AM HERE TO BRING BACK THE DANGEROUS ANIMAL ORDINANCE.
JUST A LITTLE RECAP ON JULY 7TH.
THAT'S WHEN IT WAS FIRST REQUESTED TO TAKE A REVIEW OF THE DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE HERE IN THE TOWN.
AT OUR JULY 18TH, TOWN COUNCIL MEETING, WE PRESENTED THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND SHOW THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE BENCHMARK CITIES AS WELL AS THE STATE LAW.
FROM THERE, WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE THE UPDATES TO THE ORDINANCE THAT WERE REQUESTED.
THIS PRESENTATION WILL COVER DIVISION 2 OF THE DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE WHICH COVERS ANIMALS CAUSING DEATH OR SERIOUSLY BODILY INJURY.
ONCE AGAIN, ALL OF THE DANGEROUS DOG CODES ARE IN THE FLOWER BOUNDS CODE ARE GOVERNED BY THE TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE, CHAPTER 822.
OUR CODE PRETTY MUCH ALIGNS IDENTICALLY TO THE TEXAS STATE CODE AND IT JUST COVERS THE PROCESS FOR SEIZURE AND IMPOUNDMENT, THE HEARING PROCESS, AND THE DESTRUCTION OR RELEASE OF THE ANIMAL.
BUT THERE IS A PART IN THE TEXAS CODE WHERE ALLOWS US TO MAKE MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS TO A DANGEROUS DOG CODE, AS LONG AS IT ISN'T SPECIFIC TO A ANIMAL BREED.
THE CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED ARE WHAT WILL MAKE OUR DANGEROUS DOG CODE STRAIGHT FROM THE TEXAS STATE CODE.
JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE AMENDMENT.
WHAT IT DID IS IT EXTENDED THE CURRENT ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE CASES WHERE A DOG OR OTHER ANIMALS CAUSES SERIOUSLY BODILY INJURY OR DEATH TO ANOTHER ANIMAL.
OUR CURRENT CODE ONLY COVERED IF AN ANIMAL CAUSE SERIOUSLY BODILY HARM OR INJURY TO A PERSON.
THIS ONE JUST MATCHES THE TWO CODES.
IT ALSO CLARIFIES THAT SERIOUSLY BODILY INJURY APPLIES TO BOTH ANIMALS AND HUMANS AND APPLIES JUST ALL THE SAME PROCESSES INCLUDING THE SEIZURE HEARING AND DISPOSITION PROCEDURES AS A HUMAN INJURY.
TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.
IN THE TOWN'S CODE, THE DANGEROUS DOGS DEFINITION WAS CURRENTLY THE FIRST PARAGRAPH THAT SERIOUSLY BODILY INJURY TO A PERSON.
WE JUST CATEGORIZED IT AS SEVERE BITE WOUNDS OR SEVERE RIPPING AND TEARING OF MUSCLES THAT WILL CAUSE A REASONABLY PRUDENT PERSON TO SEEK TREATMENT FROM MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL AND WOULD REQUIRE HOSPITALIZATION WITHOUT REGARD TO WHETHER THE PERSON ACTUALLY SOUGHT MEDICAL TREATMENT.
WHAT WE DID IS WE ADDED THAT SECOND DEFINITION INTO IT AS WELL, SERIOUS BODILY INJURY TO AN ANIMAL.
THE DEFINITION IS IT MEANS AN INJURY CATEGORIZED BY SEVERE BITE WOUNDS, FRACTURES, OR SEVERE RIPPING AND TEARING OF MUSCLES OR TISSUES THAT WOULD CAUSE A REASONABLY PRUDENT ANIMAL OWNER TO SEEK TREATMENT FROM A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL OR LICENSED VETERINARIAN, AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY VETERINARY CARE TO PRESERVE LIFE OR PREVENT FURTHER SUFFERING WITHOUT REGARD TO WHETHER SUCH CARE WAS ACTUALLY OBTAINED.
ANYTIME IN THE UPDATED OR THE AMENDED EXCUSE ME, DANGEROUS DOG CODE, ANYTIME IT SAYS SERIOUSLY BODILY INJURY, IT'S REFERRING TO BOTH PERSON AND AN ANIMAL.
IN THE CURRENT PROCESS IN ORDER FOR AN ANIMAL TO BE DECLARED TO HAVE CAUSE SERIOUSLY BODILY INJURY.
THE FIRST STEP IS REALLY THE INCIDENT OCCURS AND THEN A REPORT IS FILED WITH THE MUNICIPAL COURT.
FROM THERE, THE ANIMAL IS SEIZED WHILE ANIMAL CONTROL INVESTIGATES THE ANIMAL.
THE ANIMAL IS SEIZED WITH A WARRANT AND THEY'RE HELD WITHIN THE ANIMAL SERVICES.
THEY'RE HELD WITHIN ANIMAL SERVICES.
THEN A HEARING IS HELD WITHIN 10 DAYS AND FROM THERE, THE COURT DETERMINES IF THE ANIMAL CAUSE SERIOUSLY BODILY INJURY.
IF THE ANIMAL WAS DECIDED TO NOT HAVE CAUSED SERIOUSLY BODILY INJURY, IT'S RELEASED BACK TO THE OWNER.
BUT IF IT IS SEEN TO HAVE CAUSED SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, THEN THE ANIMAL CAN BE DISPOSED OF WHICH JUST MEANS THE ANIMAL IS EUTHANIZED BY A LICENSED VETERINARIAN.
THAT IS THE PROCESS FOR IF AN ANIMAL HAS BEEN SEEN TO HAVE CAUSED SERIOUSLY BODILY INJURY.
>> IT MIGHT BE A BRAN QUESTION THOUGH, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS MORE PERTAINING TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE 822 AND THE ALLOWANCE PERHAPS
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OF US BEING ABLE TO CHARGE THAT OWNER BACK FOR THE COST OF THE IMPOUNDMENT AND OR THE EUTHANIZATION.ARE WE ALLOWED TO RECOUP THOSE COSTS?
>> THE STATUTE DIRECTS THAT THE TOWN ASSESS THE COSTS TO THE DANGEROUS DOG.
>> SO BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING THE LANGUAGE TO INCLUDE ANIMALS AS WELL AS HUMANS, DO WE NEED TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE FEE STRUCTURE, OR WOULD THAT BE IMPLIED OR AUTOMATICALLY INCLUDED.
>> IT COPIED ALL OF THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS FOR SERIOUS BODILY INJURY TO A HUMAN.
>> THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, DID YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE HUMAN DEFINITION THAT SAID WOULD REQUIRE HOSPITALIZATION?
>> THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS.
>> THE ONLY ORIGINAL TEXT HERE IS THE SERIOUS BODILY INJURY TO AN ANIMAL.
>> THE OTHER TEXTS PRIOR TO THAT THAT YOU'RE BEING SHOWN IS JUST DIRECTLY COPIED FROM THE HEALTH AND SAFETY.
>> THAT'S IT THEN. THANK YOU. THANKS, BLAKE.
>> BLAKE CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 6?
>> IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE WORK SESSION NO CHANGES SINCE THEN?
>> THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE WORK SESSION.
WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORK SESSION WAS THE DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE WHICH PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWS THE SAME PROCESS UP UNTIL IT GETS TO STEP 4 WHERE THE ANIMAL ISN'T DISPOSED OF, THE OWNER HAS TO HAVE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS ON THE ANIMAL.
BUT THIS IS PART OF DIVISION 2 OF THE DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE THAT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH SERIOUS BODILY INJURY.
>> IN THE CASE WE HAD OF THE DOG THAT GOT OUT AND ATTACKED THAT HORSE.
THIS PROCESS WOULD KICK IN IF THIS HAD BEEN ON THE BOOKS AT THE TIME?
>> YES. IF THE DOG OR THE ANIMAL HAD BEEN WENT TO COURT AND IT WAS DECIDED THAT THEY CAUSED SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, THEN THEY WOULD FOLLOW THIS PROCESS.
>> IN ORDER TO START THIS PROCESS, STEP 1, THE OWNER OF THE ANIMAL THAT WAS ATTACKED HAS TO GO AND FILE THIS REPORT WITH THE COURT IN ORDER TO START THIS PROCESS?
>> CORRECT. OR IT'S PRETTY MUCH ANY WITNESS AS WELL, BUT THAT'S THE SAME FOR THE SERIOUS BODILY INJURY AS WELL AS DANGEROUS DOGS.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THIS SITUATION THAT PROMPTED THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE WAS HORRIFIC.
I READ THROUGH THE ORDINANCE VERBIAGE SEVERAL TIMES JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD THE RAMIFICATIONS.
THIS WHOLE TIME, I PUT MYSELF ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SUBJECT BEING A DOG OWNER AND A LIFETIME DOG OWNER, DOG LOVER, AND LIFETIME DOG OWNER, BUT ALSO ANIMAL LOVER AND OWNER OF LIVESTOCK AND PETS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE VICTIMIZED IN THEIR STALLS AS THIS PONY WAS.
READING THE WORDS, IT SEEMED A LITTLE HARSH, THE RIPPING AND TEARING FLESH, ETC, BUT ABSOLUTELY SPECIFIC ENOUGH TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS AND OUR LIVESTOCK AND OUR PETS.
THE BURDEN IS REALLY ON THE OWNER OF THE DANGEROUS ANIMAL AND THIS EMPOWERS THE POLICE AND THE COURTS TO ENSURE THIS.
I STAND BY THIS ORDINANCE AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME THAT YOU DID IN THIS.
>> THAT'S NO PROBLEM. YES, EXACTLY HOW YOU SAID IT.
ANYTIME THERE SEEMS TO BE A CASE WHERE AN ANIMAL CAUSES SERIOUS BODILY INJURY TO AN ANIMAL NOW.
WITH THIS NEW ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, IT WILL ALLOW FOR THOSE SAME PROCEDURES AS IF IT WERE TO ATTACK AT HUMAN.
>> YEAH. GIVES THE COURT THAT ABILITY TO PROCESS GET THIS MOVING FASTER, OR GET IT MOVING, ACTUALLY, WHICH IS GOOD.
>> GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE OR THE STEPS.
YEAH. WHEN THEY FILE THE REPORT FILED.
IF IT'S A WEEKEND FRIDAY NIGHT.
DOES THAT MEAN THE REPORT CAN BE FILED ON A FRIDAY NIGHT TO KICK THAT OFF OR DOES IT? I'M NOT 100%.
MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE POLICE.
>> WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS JUST THE COURT PROCESS.
THEY CAN STILL CALL ANIMAL SERVICES ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND WE'LL GO OUT AND INITIATE.
THEN THE NEXT BUSINESS DAY, WE'LL JUST SAY, ALL RIGHT, FILL OUT THE PIECE OF PAPER THAT WE CAN GIVE TO THE COURT OR YOU CAN TURN INTO THE COURT.
IT'S JUST PART OF THE LEGAL PROCESS.
REALLY THE VERY FIRST STEP IS YOU PROBABLY CALL ANIMAL SERVICES FIRST.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ACT QUICK ENOUGH AND WE GET THE ANIMAL INTO A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.
>> JUST LIKE WITH THE HORSE WITH THOSE TWO HORSES, WE CAME OUT FIRST AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, WE NEED TO GET THIS INITIATED, PLEASE FILL OUT THIS AFFIDAVIT, AND YOU GET IT TO COURT, AND THAT JUST STARTS THE LEGAL PART OF IT.
WHEN WE SEIZE THE DOGS, WE HAVE 10 DAYS TO GET EVERYTHING GOING, AND SO IT WORKS VERY QUICKLY.
>> I'M HORRIFIED THAT THIS EVEN HAPPENED AND THAT THIS HAD TO COME FORWARD TO US,
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TO THIS COUNCIL AND THAT WE'RE AT LEAST TAKING ACTION AS FAR AS WE CAN.THEN THE COURT NOW HAS MORE CONTROL ON GETTING THIS MOVING FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED BY THIS.
COUNCIL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION?
I CONSIDER A MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL?
>> THE DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
>> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO SOME PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN ITEM K4,
[Items K.4- K.6]
5 AND 6 TOGETHER.LEXIN, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING ON ITEM K4 AND 5, AND THEN I KNOW RAY WATSON, YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMING UP FOR ITEM 6.
WE'LL JUST LUMP THIS ALL TOGETHER AND THEN WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> THAT SOUNDS GREAT. YOU GOT IT EXACTLY RIGHT, MAYOR.
AS MENTIONED, THIS IS OPENING THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AND REZONING FOR A MIXED USE ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THE LAKESIDE EAST PROJECT.
THIS HAD PREVIOUSLY COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL IN APRIL, AND IT WAS TABLED AT THAT TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO WORK ON THE APPLICATION TO TRY TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT HE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL.
I'M NOW PRESENTING THE LATEST VERSION OF THE APPLICATION.
HERE'S THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S STILL SHOWING THE EXISTING LAKESIDE DFW PROPERTY BECAUSE AS WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, THE DENSITY THAT IS PROPOSED OVER ON THE EAST SIDE OF LONG PRAIRIE, THOSE ARE UNITS THAT WERE TRANSFERRED FROM THE ORIGINAL LAKESIDE DFW.
THEN HERE IS THE PROPOSAL OF THE NEW PORTION OF THE PROJECT IN RED THERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF LONG PRAIRIE.
LAND USE IS CURRENTLY CAMPUS COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE LAKESIDE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND MIXED USE.
THE ZONING FOR THE C-2 PROPERTY, IT'S A SPLIT ZONING WITH TWO PDS, PD-38, AND 39, BUT BOTH HAS COMMERCIAL 2 ZONING CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S EXCLUDING THIS LITTLE SQUARE HERE.
THIS IS A PIECE OF THE SITE THAT WAS ALREADY DEVELOPED WITH AN OFFICE PROJECT.
HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST ACROSS LAKESIDE.
HERE WE ARE LOOKING NORTH EAST ACROSS LONG PRAIRIE INTO THE SUBJECT SITE.
THEN THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH DOWN OR ACROSS SPINK ROAD ALSO INTO THE SUBJECT SITE.
HERE IS THE MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT EXHIBIT.
AS MENTIONED, THE PROPOSAL IS TO CHANGE THE LAND USE FROM CAMPUS COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE LAKESIDE BUSINESS DISTRICT TO MIXED USE.
THIS IS THE EXISTING LAKESIDE DFW LAKESIDE VILLAGE ZONING.
HERE IS THE PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE CONCEPT PLAN.
WITHIN THIS AREA, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SUB-DISTRICTS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
THAT TMR STANDS FOR MAJOR ROADWAY TRANSITION, AND THEN THIS IS MU-N(2), AND THE N STANDS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL HAD 326 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND A FOUR-STORY OFFICE BUILDING AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
THE CURRENT PROPOSAL INCLUDES 132 TOWN HOMES, AND 1-2 STORY OFFICE RETAIL BUILDINGS OR RESTAURANTS COULD BE AT THAT NORTHWEST CORNER.
YOU CAN SEE THESE TWO FOOTPRINTS TOOK ITS PLACE.
WHAT IS WRITTEN INTO THE PROPOSAL, THE TOWNHOME BUILDINGS COULD EITHER BE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED OR THEY COULD BE PART OF A CONDO ASSOCIATION.
EITHER WOULD BE AN OPTION AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS IN THE LAKESIDE CODE, HOW THOSE NUMBERS ARE BEING REFLECTED TO SHOW THE 132 UNITS BEING ADDED TO THE MU-N(2) ZONE IN THIS PROPOSAL.
THERE ARE SOME USE MODIFICATIONS STILL PROPOSED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
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THE FIRST IS TO PROHIBIT AUTOMOBILE RELATED USES, INCLUDING GAS STATIONS.THE SECOND IS TO CHANGE THE STANDARDS FOR A FULL SERVICE HOTEL.
THESE STANDARDS WERE WRITTEN IN THE ORIGINAL LAKESIDE DFW CODE.
THE NEW STANDARDS WOULD REQUIRE A PORT CACHE AT THE MAIN ENTRY, A SWIMMING POOL.
IF POOL IS LOCATED OUTDOORS, A MINIMUM 150 SQUARE FEET OF SHADED AREA, A MINIMUM 500 SQUARE FEET OF EXERCISE FACILITY, 800 SQUARE FEET OF MEETING ROOM, 750 SQUARE FEET OF DINING, AND THEN A FURNISHED LOBBY OR LOUNGE.
THE WAY THAT THIS DIFFERS PRIMARILY FROM THE ORIGINAL DEFINITION THAT WAS IN THE LAKESIDE CODE IS IT REQUIRED AN ACTUAL RESTAURANT TO BE ON SITE.
THE APPLICANT WANTED TO CHANGE THAT TO BE A DINING AREA, BUT NOT NECESSARILY A RESTAURANT.
THEY'RE PLANNING TO CONSTRUCT, THEY BELIEVE SOME HIGH END RESTAURANTS IN THE AREA AND THOUGHT THAT IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO COMPETE WITH THE HOTEL.
ALSO, THE ORIGINAL DEFINITION HAD 1,000 SQUARE FEET OF MEETING AREA, AND SO THEY'RE REDUCING THAT, BUT ADDING SOME REQUIRED SQUARE FOOTAGES OF OTHER AMENITY AREAS WITHIN THE HOTEL SO THAT IT WOULD STILL MEET THE HIGH EXPECTATIONS OF THE TOWN.
ALSO, DEVELOPMENT STANDARD MODIFICATIONS.
FOR PERCENTAGE OF OPENINGS, DOORS AND WINDOWS, THIS HAS STAYED TRUE TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED WITH THE LAST VERSION.
NORMALLY, THE REGULATIONS WOULD HAVE A RELATIVELY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF WINDOWS AND DOOR OPENINGS ON THAT FIRST FLOOR OF THE STRUCTURE.
THEY WANT TO NOT HAVE A REQUIREMENT IF IT'S A RESTAURANT WITH THE WALL THAT ENCLOSES THE KITCHEN BECAUSE YOU WOULD NOT TYPICALLY HAVE WINDOWS LOOKING INTO THE KITCHEN AREA.
THEY WANTED TO ELIMINATE ANY OPENING REQUIREMENT ON THE WALL THAT HOUSE THE KITCHEN.
THEN IF THERE ARE OFFICE BUILDINGS, BE SMALLER SCALE, BUT IF THERE ARE OFFICE BUILDINGS DEVELOPED WITHIN THIS PROJECT, THEY WANTED TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE UP TO 85% DOORS AND WINDOWS SPECIFIC TO THE OFFICE BUILDING.
THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE, I BELIEVE 75% WOULD BE THE MAX.
BUILDING HEIGHT FOR ONE BUILDING.
ALSO, THEY'RE ASKING TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STORIES UP TO SIX STORIES FOR THE PROPOSED HOTEL BUILDING.
THERE IS STILL AN EARNOUT REQUIREMENT INCLUDED WITHIN THE APPLICATION.
IT SAYS THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ANY TOWN HOME SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION OF MINIMUM 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDING SPACE TO INCLUDE COMPLETION OF A BUILDING FINAL INSPECTION INDICATING FINISH OUT PERMITS ARE READY TO BE APPLIED FOR.
THE 15,000 SQUARE FEET SHALL BE LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE MU-TMR(3) SUB ZONE AND SHALL INCLUDE THE BUILDINGS LOCATED BETWEEN THE TOWN HOMES AND FM 2499,SO WITHIN THESE BUILDINGS.
THERE WAS A TYPO WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
THAT ACCIDENTLY GOT COPIED OVER FROM THERE WAS ANOTHER STANDARD THAT SAID ON THE FIRST VERSION THAT SAID THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE AT LEAST 18,000 WITHIN THE FIRST FLOOR, THE MULTI FAMILY BUILDING.
THIS IS SHOWING THE STREET SCAPE AND PARKING, AND SO THIS IS REQUIRED TOWN TRAIL HERE ALONG THE PERIMETER THERE.
THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE STREETSCAPE STANDARDS LOCATED ALONG ALL OF THESE ROADWAYS.
THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING A PARK TRAIL ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT WAS SHOWN TO THE PARKS BOARD, THEIR VISION FOR ACTIVATING THAT AREA.
THIS EXHIBIT IS JUST TO SHOW THAT THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED IS MEETING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FROM THE LAKESIDE CODE, THAT PARKING EXCLUSION WITHIN THE 60-FOOT RADIUS OF THE CORNERS, AND ALSO THE 50% MAXIMUM FRONTAGE ALLOWED FOR PARKING ALONG 2499.
BUILDING HEIGHT, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY'RE REQUESTING SIX STORY HEIGHT FOR THAT HOTEL BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE THERE ON THE SOUTHERNMOST LOCATION ADJACENT TO LAKESIDE.
THE OTHER BUILDINGS WOULD BE TWO STORY MAX FOR THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, AND THEN THE TOWN HOMES WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF THREE STORIES.
PARKS AND OPEN SPACE ARE STILL UTILIZING SOME OF THE SAME PARK AND OPEN SPACE AREAS THAT THEY SHOWED TO THE PARKS BOARD WITHIN THE PARK CREDIT OPTION.
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WAS CONSIDERED GENERAL OPEN SPACE.AREA 2 WAS THE RESTAURANT OPEN SPACE, AND AREA 3 WAS THE RETAIL CORNER OPEN SPACE.
OVERALL, IT'S 1.76 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
THE PROJECT IS ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE 1.06, THAT'S 5% OF OPEN SPACE OF THE BASE AREA.
THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FROM THE TOWN'S BASE MU ORDINANCE AS WELL AS THE LAKESIDE CODE.
THAT'S SEPARATED OUT INTO PLAZAS AND GENERAL OPEN SPACE.
THESE ARE STREET SECTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
TO MAKE THIS VISION WORK, THEY PROPOSED SOME ADDITIONAL STREET SECTIONS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE ORDINANCE.
THE MAIN DIFFERENCES WITH THESE FROM JUST THE TOWN'S REGULAR STREET SECTION, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE ARE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS WITHIN THE STREET SECTIONS.
WE DON'T NORMALLY DO THOSE WENT IN TOWN STREETS, BUT THEY ARE MAKING THESE PRIVATE STREETS.
WE'RE FINE WITH THEM DOING THEM FOR THE PRIVATE STREETS, THEY'LL BE MAINTAINING THOSE.
THEY ARE MEETING THE NECESSARY WIDTHS.
YOU CAN SEE THESE HAVE THE ANGLED PARKING SPACES.
THIS WOULD BE IN THE MORE COMMERCIAL AREA.
THE RESIDENTIAL PRIVATE DRIVE WOULD BE WITHIN THE TOWN HOME AREAS.
THEN THERE IS ONE SECTION WHERE IT'S SEPARATED TOWN HOMES ON ONE SIDE AND THE COMMERCIAL AREA ON THE OTHER.
IT'S A SPLIT WITH THE ANGLED ON ONE SIDE AND THE PARALLEL PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO FINALIZE THE DETAILS FOR THE COURTYARD PRIVATE DRIVE.
I'M USING THIS JUST TO SHOW YOU.
BUT THERE IS A SECTION HERE WHERE THE TOWN HOMES ARE FRONTING ON AN OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE MIXED USE CODE ALLOWS FOR.
BUT IF THEY WERE TO BE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED LOTS, THEN THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE ON AN OFFICIAL STREET SECTION, AND SO WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT THE DETAILS OF YOW WIDE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE WHERE THE UTILITIES WOULD GET PLACED.
WE'VE STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
WITH THAT IN MIND, IF THE PROPOSAL IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE TONIGHT, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVING IT WITH A REQUIREMENT THAT THE APPLICANT WORK OUT THE FINAL DETAILS OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WITH STAFF BEFORE FINALIZING.
>> LEXIN ON THOSE STREETS HERE, I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE PRIVATE STREETS, NOT TOWN STREETS.
THAT BEING SAID, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER DIFFERENCES TO WHAT THE TOWN WOULD NORMALLY REQUIRE AS FAR AS WIDTH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
>> NOT FOR THESE. I THINK THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IS WE WOULD NOT NORMALLY STRIPE THIS.
FOR INSTANCE, ON THE RESIDENTIAL PRIVATE DRIVE.
WE DON'T USUALLY STRIPE THE PARALLEL SPACES.
IF YOU JUST THINK WITHIN LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S EXTRA SPACE SO PEOPLE CAN PARK ALONG THE SIDE, BUT WE DON'T STRIPE IT. THAT'S A DIFFERENCE.
IT'S SOMETHING THEY WANTED TO DO.
THEN LIKE I SAID, THEY WANTED TO SCOOT THE TREES IN WITHIN THAT AREA.
WE WOULD HAVE PUT THEM ON THE SIDEWALK AREA.
IT'S NOT HOW WE NORMALLY DO THEM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH IT.
>> THIS IS JUST SHOWING WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE MONUMENT SIGNS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE ANYTHING, SO THIS IS MORE OF AN FYI.
IT SAYS SIGN SETBACK SHALL COMPLY WITH THE EXISTING SIGN SECTION.
THE ONLY THING WOULD BE IF FOR SOME REASON, THESE DIDN'T END UP GETTING PLATTED AS INDIVIDUAL LOTS, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT WOULD TYPICALLY BE PER LOT.
IF FOR SOME REASON THIS WHOLE FRONTAGE WAS ALL ONE LOT, THEN IT WOULD NORMALLY SAY YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE SIGN.
IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE JUST LETTING YOU KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, THEY WANT TO HAVE THESE MONUMENT SIGNS AT THE CORNERS AND EVERY ENTRANCE POINT.
AS MENTIONED, THIS DID GO TO THE PARKS BOARD FOR RECOMMENDATION, AT THE TIME, THERE WAS A LARGER NUMBER OF UNITS.
THAT ONE WAS WITH THE 324 UNITS.
AT THAT POINT, THEY WERE NEEDING TO EQUAL 6.81 ACRES.
AGAIN, THEY HAVE SCALED BACK THE PROVIDED PARK AND OPEN SPACE, IN CONJUNCTION WITH BUILDING OUT THE TOWNHOME UNITS.
IF THIS ENDS UP BEING THE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED LOTS AS OPPOSED TO LOTS THAT ARE UNITS THAT ARE PART OF A CONDO ASSOCIATION, THE TOWN HAS A HIGHER PARK DEDICATION REQUIREMENT,
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FOR THE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED LOTS AND SO THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE WITH ADDITIONAL PARK FEES IN THAT CASE.IF IT ENDS UP MOVING FORWARD AS PART OF A CONDO ASSOCIATION, THEN THE OPEN SPACE AND PARK DEDICATION THEY ARE SHOWING IS ADEQUATE.
AS MENTIONED, IT'S BOTH A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AND A REZONING FOR MIXED USE ZONING.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION.
>> THE TWO STORY HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
IS THAT TOWN REQUIREMENT, OR IS THAT THE APPLICANT REQUEST?
>> IT DOESN'T EXCEED THE TOWN'S REQUIREMENT. I MEAN.
THEY COULD PROBABLY POTENTIALLY GO UP TO THREE STORIES IF THEY WANTED TO, BUT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO DO TWO.
>> THANK YOU. LEXIN YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S NO AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED USES.
THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE CAR WASHES AND REPAIR SHOPS, AND DOES THAT INCLUDE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS?
>> THEY COULD POTENTIALLY REQUEST A DRIVE THROUGH WITH LIKE A BANK OR A DRY CLEANER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT IT'S NOT A USE THAT'S ACTUALLY AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED.
THAT'S MORE OF JUST SAY YOU MIGHT WANT THAT AS FOR EASE OR CONVENIENCE WITH IT, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP TO GO BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
>> THAT'S REASONABLE. THANK YOU.
>> ONE. SORRY. WHEN YOU WERE ON SLIDE, I THINK 16, YOU SAID RECOMMENDATION IF WE DID RECOMMEND TO PROCEED TO DO IT WITH STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT WORKS WITH STAFF ON THE WAS IT PARKING ORIENTATION OR WHAT WOULD BE THE WORDING THAT YOU WOULD PREFER?
>> I THINK YOU COULD JUST SAY TO FINALIZE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
JUST BE THAT WAY, AND THAT LIKE THE STREET SECTIONS REFERENCED, WE'LL GET THAT UPDATED AS WELL.
>> NO QUESTIONS. JIMMY ARCHIE IS COMING FORWARD, I GUESS.
I'M SORRY, RAY, YOU WERE GOING TO TALK FIRST. RAS FIRST.
>> MAYOR, COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
>> MAYBE. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE FIRST SLIDES PRETTY QUICK BECAUSE LEXIN PRETTY MUCH COVERED THEM.
SITE LOCATION LOOKING FROM WEST TO EAST AL OF THE SITE.
WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY IN THIS 380 AGREEMENT IS STRICTLY THESE TWO SECTIONS.
THIS IS A RETAIL SECTION AND THEN ALSO THE HOTEL SECTION.
ALL THE INCENTIVES ARE ONLY BASED ON THESE TWO SECTIONS OF THE PROJECT.
AS YOU SAW IN SOME OF LEXIN SLIDES, THIS IS THE ACTUAL LAYOUT.
YOU HAVE THE HOTEL SITTING HERE, AND THEN THE RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS ARE SITTING HERE FACING LONG PRAIRIE ROAD.
FIVE UP TO FIVE RESTAURANTS, 22,500 SQUARE FEET, TWO RETAIL STRIP CENTERS, 15,000 SQUARE FEET, ONE UPSCALE HOTEL AND THEN 132 TOWN HOMES WITH ALL SURFACE PARKING ON THAT.
THE REASON FOR THE SURFACE PARKING IS THAT YOU WENT FROM SEVEN ACRES TO 11 ACRES ON THE HOUSING, AND SO YOU TOOK AWAY A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IN SOME OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WERE ON THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, AND THEN IT ALSO PUSHED THE VALUE ON THE ABILITY TO BUILD THE PARKING GARAGE.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ALL THE SURFACE PARKING ON THIS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WAS ASKED FOR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A HOT TAX OF 50% FOR SEVEN YEARS.
THAT WOULD BE REBATED BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AS WELL AS AN AV REAL PROPERTY AND BPP PROPERTY FOR 50% FOR SEVEN YEARS, AND THEN SALES FOR 50% FOR SEVEN YEARS.
THEN THE PERMIT FEES WOULD ALSO BE REBATED.
NORMALLY, WE WAIVE THOSE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION WHERE THIS IS TO OFFSET SOME COSTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT REBATING THOSE FEES INSTEAD OF WAIVING THOSE FEES.
WE WILL BE WORKING WITH FINANCE TO CREATE AN ESCROW ACCOUNT TO ESCROW THOSE FEES, AND THEN THOSE FEES WILL THEN BE REBATED BACK TO THE DEVELOPER.
WE ALSO HAVE IMPACT FEES REBATE AS WELL.
AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF, IMPACT FEES GO INTO THE IMPACT FEE ACCOUNT, BUT CANNOT BE PAID OUT OF THAT ACCOUNT.
WE DO THE GRANT OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS.
WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS YOU LOOK ON THE SPREADSHEET ON THAT TOP SECTION, WE'VE ACTUALLY SPREAD THAT GRANT OUT OVER FIVE YEARS, AND THAT'S MORE OF A CASH FLOW ISSUE FROM THE TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE SO
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THAT WE DON'T GET IN TROUBLE WITH TOO MUCH CASH FLOW GOING OUT AT ONE TIME.MR. ARCHIE HAS AGREED TO THAT TO HELP WITH THAT CASH FLOW ISSUE.
AS WE LIKE TO SHOW YOU, THIS PROJECT BREAKS EVEN YEAR ONE.
WE'RE MAKING MORE MONEY THAN WE EXPEND.
THAT'S BASICALLY BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL BASED ON WHAT COMES IN FROM THE PROJECT.
ALL OF THESE ARE PERFORMANCE BASED INCENTIVES, AND ALL OF THEM ARE AT LESS THAN 50% EXCEPT FOR THE IMPACT FEES AND THE PERMIT FEES.
WE HIT TOTAL BENEFIT OVER TOTAL COST IN YEAR FOUR AND THEN CUMULATIVE NET BENEFIT OVER TOTAL COST IN YEAR SEVEN.
IT MEETS YOUR STANDARDS THAT YOU'VE SET TO HIT ALL OF THE PAYBACKS WITHIN THAT SEVEN YEAR PERIOD.
WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN LEXIN IS HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER.
THEN I THINK MR. ARCHIE HAS A PRESENTATION YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO AS WELL.
>> RAY, YOU SAID EVERYTHING IS PERFORMANCE BASED? YES ON THIS.
IF THE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT GO AS PLANNED, THE TOWN'S NOT OUT ANY MONEY.
>> THE ONLY MONEY OUT IS WHATEVER IMPACT FEES WERE PAID AND THEN PAID BACK OUT TO HIM.
BUT YEAH, THE E AND ALL OF THESE ARE DONE ON PERCENTAGES OF WHAT COMES INTO THE TOWN.
ALL THE MONEY THAT WOULD GO BACK TO THE PROJECT, EXCEPT FOR THOSE TWO ARE PAID BACK WITH WHATEVER'S PRODUCED FROM THE PROJECT?
>> THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER 380 AGREEMENTS.
>> NO. THANK YOU. WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT, JIMMY ARCHIE COME FORWARD AND DO HIS PRESENTATION, IF YOU'RE READY.
>> YOU BACK. I'LL LET YOU DO THAT.
>> NO. I WAS SAYING I THINK I MIGHT HAVE OPENED IT ALREADY. THERE WE GO.
>> THANK YOU, LEXIN. GOOD EVENING TOWN COUNCIL.
MAYOR, T STAFF, AND SEE SOME COMMISSIONERS IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.
MY NAME IS JIMMY ARCHIE WITH REALTY CAPITAL, 909, LAKE CAROLYN PARKWAY, IRVING, TEXAS.
AS USUAL, LEXIN DID A GREAT JOB PRESENTING THE REVISIONS TO THE PROJECT.
M PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE SH TONIGHT.
THIS HAS BEEN A LENGTHY PROCESS FOR US.
I THINK IT'S BEEN A GOOD PROCESS FOR US AND FOR THE TOWN HOPEFULLY.
WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY BACK IN MARCH OF 2022 WITH THE HOPES OF EXPANDING LAKESIDE, ON TO THIS FOURTH UNDEVELOPED CORNER ACROSS THE STREET.
WE UNDERTOOK A LENGTHY PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS WHERE WE REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, HELD PUBLIC MEETINGS, HAD LOTS OF DIALOGUE TO SEE IF AN EXPANSION OF LAKESIDE WAS SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY THE FOLKS ON THE SOUTHERN END OF TOWN WHO THE PROJECT WAS NEAR THEIR HOMES.
MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR THIS IDEA OF EXPANDING A MIXED USE PROJECT OF SOME NATURE, ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH WE FELT CONFIDENTLY THAT THERE WAS.
WE MOVED FORWARD, APPLIED FOR THE MIXED USE ZONING APPLICATION.
MID ZONING APPLICATION, WE WERE APPROACHED BY HEB, ABOUT POSSIBLY PUTTING A GROCERY STORE DOWN HERE.
WE KNOW HEB HAS BEEN ONE OF THE TOP RETAILERS WANTED BY THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN.
WE PUT OUR ZONING APPLICATION ON PAUSE, WANTED TO VET THAT INTEREST TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THERE.
THEY REJECTED THE SITE ULTIMATELY TWO TIMES.
PARTLY, FOR LACK OF DENSITY DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF TOWN, BUT PRIMARILY BECAUSE THEY BUILT A STORE IN THE COPPELL AREA THAT THEY FELT WOULD DRAW FROM THIS PART OF FLOWER MOUND.
WE REV THE ENGINE BACK UP ON THE MIXED USE ZONING APPLICATION.
WE CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL IN MARCH, AND HERE WE ARE IN OCTOBER WITH A REPRESENTATION OF THE PROJECT, ESSENTIALLY KEEPING THE CONCEPT IN PLACE OF A WALKABLE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT REMOVING APARTMENTS AND REPLACING THEM WITH TOWN HOMES.
WHEN WE LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY, THE REVISIONS TO THE PROJECT CONTINUE TO ESTABLISH A FRONT DOOR, TO TOWN THAT DEMONSTRATES QUALITY AND WELL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, THIS PROJECT, SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL BACK IN MARCH, ESTABLISHES THE ONLY FOUR WAY INTERSECTION IN DALLAS FORT WORTH, DESIGNED IN SUCH A COMPLIMENTARY MANNER.
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NOTHING CHANGES ABOUT THAT.THESE REVISIONS CONTINUE TO ENSURE ARCHITECTURAL COMPATIBILITY, AND LAND PLANNING COHESIVENESS WITH THE REST OF LAKESIDE.
THIS REVISION SUBSTITUTES TOWN HOMES IN PLACE OF APARTMENTS, THEREBY REDUCING RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
BUT ALLOWS US TO RETAIN A SMALL AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL TO HELP ACTIVATE THE WALKABILITY OF THE PROJECT.
AGAIN, IT RETAINS THE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY NATURE OF THE PROJECT.
THE REVISIONS CONTINUE TO REMOVE THE UNDESIRABLE C2, USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY.
AS LEXIN MENTIONED, IT REMOVES NON DISCRETIONARY RIGHT TO DRIVE.
ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DRIVE THROUGH FOR, WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL TO HAVE DISCRETION OVER THAT.
AGAIN, IT RETAINS THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO HELP IN THE RECRUITMENT OF DESIRED RETAILERS AND RESTAURANTS, AS WELL AS SUPPORTING THE BUSINESSES AS CUSTOMERS AFTER OPENING.
THE RETAIL SERVES THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL SERVES THE RETAIL, AND WE MAINTAIN THAT INTEGRITY EVEN WITH THIS REVISION.
THE REVISIONS RETAIN THE PROGRAM OPEN SPACES.
AGAIN, THE NATURE TRAIL PART TO THE EAST, THE ARTS PLAZA, ENTERTAINMENT PLAZA, AND ACTIVITIES PLAZA, NOTHING'S CHANGED ABOUT THAT.
IT SUPPORTS THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE EXISTING LAKESIDE PROJECT RATHER THAN BEING DETRIMENTAL WITH UNDESIRED USES IN ARCHITECTURE.
THIS WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY WHEN WE DID OVER 3.5 YEARS AGO WAS PARTLY TO PROTECT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WORKED SO HARD ON, AND CREATE SOMETHING COMPLIMENTARY ACROSS THE STREET AND NOT THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED ACROSS 24 HOURS AND NIGHTS.
THEN FINALLY, YOU KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING I'M EXTREMELY PLEASED ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS, OUR COMPANY MAYBE LOOKS AT THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY BEFORE AGREE TO A PLAN OR AN ORDINANCE.
WE LOOK AT THE END, AND WE WORK OURSELVES BACKWARDS, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT WE AGREE TO, WE'RE NOT JUST AGREEING TO GET ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE AGREEING AND WE'RE MAKING CHANGES WITH THE END GOAL IN MIND, THAT IT'S ACTUALLY AN EXECUTABLE PROJECT.
THIS REVISION, WE BELIEVE ALIGNS WITH THE VISION OF TOWN COUNCIL WITH RESPECT TO ATTRACTING QUALITY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND LIMITING APARTMENT LAND USES.
IT PROVIDES BOTH SUPPORTING AND OPPOSING RESIDENTS, AND THERE WERE RESIDENTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS APPLICATION BACK IN MARCH, BUT IT PROVIDES EVERYBODY WITH A PROJECT THAT SERVES THEIR STATED WANTS AND NEEDS.
ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT BACK IN MARCH, WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT IN THIS REVISED APPLICATION.
FINALLY, YOU TAKE EVERYTHING COMPREHENSIVELY, IT MEETS THE ECONOMIC BUSINESS GOALS, OF THE DEVELOPER, WHICH ALLOWS FOR SUCCESSFUL EXECUTION.
HOPEFULLY, YOU PUT ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS TOGETHER.
THIS COMES OUT TO BE A WIN-WIN WIN IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT.
WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
>> JIMMY, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION.
ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WE HAD FOR THIS WAS TO TRY TO HAVE THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OWNERSHIP.
THE BEST WAY I THOUGHT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT WAS BY PLATTING THEM INDIVIDUALLY SO THEN THEY COULD BE SOLD AS THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE, HOW DOES A CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION ACCOMPLISH THAT, BUT ALSO SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO?
>> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO DO IS SUBDIVIDE THE RESIDENTIAL TRACT INTO AS MANY SEPARATE OWNERSHIP PARCELS AS RESIDENCES WE'RE BUILDING.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO PLAN FOR 132 UNITS, THAT WOULD MEAN THERE'D BE 132 SEPARATELY PLATTED LOTS, EACH WITH THEIR OWN TAX ACCOUNT, EACH SUBDIVIDED, ABLE TO BE SEPARATELY OWNED.
IF WE CHOOSE TO GO THE CONDOMINIUM ROUTE,
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THERE WOULD BE ONE LOT, BUT THAT ONE LOT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A RECORDED CONDOMINIUM DECLARATION THAT SUBDIVIDES THE PROPERTY INTO HOWEVER MANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS WE'RE GOING TO BUILD.IT'S REALLY JUST A DIFFERENT WAY TO LEGALLY SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY.
>> BECAUSE WE DON'T YET KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE THE TOWN HOME BUILDER, OUR COMPANY DOES NOT BUILD JUST STRAIGHT TOWN HOME COMMUNITIES, SO WE WILL BE RECRUITING A TOWN HOME BUILDER.
BUT THIS GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY.
THERE'S SOME CONSTRUCTION THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT DOING PRIVATE STREETS, IF IT'S A CONDOMINIUM, IT'S FIRE LANES AND EASEMENT.
IT'S REALLY MORE IN THE CONSTRUCTABILITY OF THE BUILDINGS.
YOU WON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU'RE WALKING OR DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, WHETHER IT'S A CONDOMINIUM OR A SEPARATELY PLOTTED LOT, YOU WOULD ONLY KNOW THAT IF YOU WENT TO THE TAX RECORDS AND SAW, IT WOULD EITHER BE A UNIT OR A LOT.
HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS A QUESTION.
>> THIS CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS PRETTY TYPICAL.
>> FOR EXAMPLE, LAKESIDE TOWER IS A CONDOMINIUM PROJECT.
>> THE TOWN HOMES AROUND THE GARAGE AT LAKESIDE TOWER IS A CONDOMINIUM OR CONDOMINIUMS. SO YES.
>> OKAY. YEAH. THANKS, JIMMY GOOD JOB.
>> SO THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS THE NUMBER OF STORIES, TWO STORIES.
DOES IT ALLOW YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY IF WE ALLOWED SOME BUILDINGS TO GO TO THREE, IF YOU MIGHT.
>> THE ONLY ONE THAT MIGHT IS THAT THE SPHINX AND LONG PRAIRIE CORNER.
THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE PRETTY WELL DESIGNED.
WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO BUILD THERE.
WHEN YOU HAVE VERY SMALL BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, YOU CAN'T GO VERTICAL BECAUSE YOU NEED STAIRCASES AND ELEVATORS.
THE BUILDING ON THE CORNER, IT WOULD HELP US IF THAT WERE UP TO THREE STORIES, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU THINKING OF IT. YEAH.
>> YEAH. ORIGINALLY, YOU HAD A BIGGER OFFICE SPACE THERE IF WE ALLOWED YOU TO GO UP TO THREE OR FOUR STORIES.
>> I WOULD THINK EVEN IF WE DID ONE OFFICE BUILDING ON THAT CORNER, MOST LIKELY, IT'S GOING TO BE TWO STORIES.
IS THERE A WAY TO SEPARATE OUT THAT ONE CORNER IN TERMS OF BUILDING HEIGHTS FROM THE REST OF IT? IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD WORK OUT?
>> YES. I THINK WE COULD WORK THAT OUT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
I MEAN, IT'S ALSO FINE IF YOU JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WHOLE ZONE CAN BE UP TO THREE STORIES, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO BUILD THEM THAT TALL.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, MY THOUGHT IS THAT THIS AREA IS NOT REALLY WELL SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL IF IT GIVES YOU SOME ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY.
>> I'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR THE CORNER LOT IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
>> I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANKS FOR WORKING WITH US AND BRINGING BACK PROPOSAL AND TRYING TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
>> YEAH, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE THE HOURS AND HOURS.
EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL HAS SPENT LOOKING AT ALL THIS AND JIMMY ARCHIE PUTTING ALL THE TIME IN TO MAKE THESE REVISIONS TO GET CLOSER TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, BUT TRYING TO GET SOME OWNERSHIP OVER THERE.
AND DOING THE BEST BUSINESS AS POSSIBLE OVER THERE.
I WANT TO DOVETAIL INTO THAT FOR ONE SECOND BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE PLANNED.
BUT THIS MIGHT BE THE LAST TIME WE GET TO WORK TOGETHER ON A PROJECT.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME WORDS OF APPRECIATION AND COMPLIMENTARY COMMENTS ABOUT HOW HARD YOU WORK.
WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, YOU DO IT, AND I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE IF THERE'S A CHALLENGE PUT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT.
IF YOU CAN'T DO IT, NO ONE CAN.
BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, I'VE REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TREMENDOUS EFFORTS IN HELPING FLOWER MOUND BE THE BEST THAT WE CAN BE.
>> VERY WELL. WELL, JIMMY, THANK YOU.
COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
I SAW SOMEBODY PUT ANOTHER COMMENT CARD OVER THERE.
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>> OUR FIRST SPEAKER ON PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLAYTON FLURRY.
THE REST OF YOU HARD WORKING FOLKS FOR THIS TOWN.
THANKS FOR LET ME BE HERE AND SPEAK AND JIMMY AND TEAM, THANKS FOR HAVING THE PATIENCE OF JOB. I TELL YOU.
ON A SIDE NOTE, I WISH THEY HADN'T LEFT YET BECAUSE I WANTED THEM TO KNOW AND MAY THE RECORD STAND THAT THOSE NOT LAKESIDE BUT THE CULTURAL ART CENTER, EVERY ONE OF THOSE THREE RENDERINGS HAD A FB AREA APPROVED.
FLORES BURGERS WOULD GO GREAT REALLY WOULD GO THERE.
IN ALL SERIOUS THOUGH, CLAYTON FLURRY, 2005 FOXBORO TRAIL, AN EIGHTH OF A MILE FROM THAT LOCATION RIGHT THERE ON THAT MAP.
WELL, FIRST, AS A RESIDENT, AN EIGHTH OF A MILE FROM THERE, I SUPPORT THIS AND I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORS I TALK TO.
IN FACT, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO A NEIGHBOR THAT SAYS, NO WAY.
WE SUPPORT THIS AS NEIGHBORS. WE TRULY DO.
YES, WE WILL BE DOING NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND WE HOPE TO SEE SOME OF ALL THERE TOMORROW.
THEN AS A BUSINESS OWNER IN THIS TOWN, ONE OF WHICH IS IN LAKESIDE, WE TALK TO PEOPLE DAILY, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE A WEEK.
NOT ALL OF THEM ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT THE ONES THAT THIS DOES COME UP, IT WAS A HEAD SCRATCHER WHEN THIS THING CONTINUED TO DIE ON THE VINE, IF YOU WILL, AND I'LL TELL YOU THE SUPPORT IS REAL FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT TRULY IS, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I LIVE BREATHE THIS AREA EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I KNOW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA WILL SUPPORT THIS, WHAT JIMMY AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN LAKESIDE PROPER HAVE PUT TOGETHER DOWN THERE SO FAR AS THE COMMUNITY WITHIN THIS GREAT TOWN COMMUNITY, IT'S SIMPLY AMAZING.
IT TRULY IS. SO MUCH FOR THE RECORD, I COULD HAVE NAMED THIS NEW DESSERT WE'RE GOING TO DO AT OUR LAKESIDE STORE, AFTER MY DAUGHTER OR AFTER MY NEW PUPPY, WHICH, BY THE WAY, I TOOK A PICTURE, WE'LL LET OUR DOG KNOW OF THIS NEW DON'T BITE PEOPLE ORDINANCE COMING OUT.
BUT WE'VE GOT THIS NEW DESSERT.
OUR FIRST DESSERT AT FLURRY'S LAKESIDE, AND WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT THE LAKESIDE SCOOP.
WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT IT LATER.
NOW IT'S NOT THE PLACE, BUT WE COULD HAVE NAMED IT ANYTHING, BUT WE NAMED IT AFTER THE COMMUNITY WHICH WE OPERATE IN AND WHICH WE TRULY LOVE.
IF WE CAN GET MORE OF LAKESIDE IN THIS TOWN, IT'S A WIN. THANKS, TOM. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE TODD BECK.
>> GOOD EVENING, TODD BECK, 10845, PANALS HALLS DRIVE AND ARGO.
I APOLOGIZE EARLIER FOR INFORMALLY ADDRESSING YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE CAN RE ADDRESS HERE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE DEVELOPER FOR ALL THE CHANGES AND STUFF THAT HE HAS MADE.
REALLY ALIGNED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF P&Z AND TOWN COUNCIL.
YOU GUYS TALK MENTIONED TO YOU ABOUT THE TIME HAS PUT FORTH.
APPRECIATE ALL YOUR GUYS' EFFORTS AS WELL.
I KNOW P&Z HAD MANY LONG NIGHTS WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THE CHANGES WERE MADE, I THINK, AGAIN, ALIGNED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE THERE, AND IT REALLY TRULY KEEPS THE CONSISTENCY OF LAKESIDE DFW, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB IN BUILDING OUT.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT OF MY WAY, BUT I DO DRIVE THROUGH IT EVERY NIGHT ON THE WAY HOME.
I'LL DEFINITELY BE STOPPING THERE MORE FREQUENTLY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. BUT THANK YOU.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE.
>> I THINK SHOULDN'T WE DELIBERATE FIRST?
>> WELL, IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, WE SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN SUPPORT OR WHATEVER.
>> I DO HAVE A COUPLE THINGS TO SAY.
YOU ALL HAVE DONE A HECK OF A JOB.
YOU'VE COME BACK TIME AND TIME AGAIN, DONE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN ASKED OF YOU.
WHEN THE APPLICANT CAME FORWARD AND MENTIONED THE SURVEY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
THERE WAS AN OVERWHELMING RESPONSE AS TO WHAT WAS WANTED AND WHAT WAS DESIRED FOR LAKESIDE EAST.
WHEN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL CAME BACK, OR I SAY THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL CAME BACK, THIS SPRING IS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, EXCEPT FOR WE HAD THE MULTIFAMILY WITH A STRUCTURED PARKING.
WE HAD THE LARGER OFFICE ON THAT NORTHWEST CORNER.
OVERWHELMINGLY, THE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THAT, THAT WERE IN THAT IMMEDIATE VICINITY AND LAKESIDE IN THE SHINING AREA WERE OVERWHELMINGLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
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WE HEARD VERY FEW THAT WERE AGAINST THAT.SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP ARE VERY VALID CONCERNS.
WE DON'T WANT TOO MUCH DENSITY, WE DON'T WANT TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
WHEN WE HAD OUR TOWN TRAFFIC ENGINEER TALK ABOUT THE C2 VERSUS THE PROPOSAL BACK IN THE SPRING, WHAT WAS PROPOSED EVEN WITH THE MULTIFAMILY IS GOING TO BE LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED C2.
THAT ALSO PROVIDED A VERY GOOD TRANSITION BETWEEN THE INDUSTRIAL TO THE EAST.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR STRUCTURED PARKING AT YOUR MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN YOU TRANSITION INTO THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL.
I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD PROPOSAL.
OBVIOUSLY, THAT DID NOT GET THE TRACTION THAT WAS NEEDED.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS PALATABLE.
ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY, AND I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS, AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE A WONDERFUL QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.
WITH THE CHANGE IN REDUCING ABOUT 193 RESIDENTIAL UNITS FROM THE MULTI FAMILY TO THE TOWNHOUSES.
WE'RE REDUCING 193 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, NOT A MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON TRAFFIC.
HOW ARE WE ARE SACRIFICING ABOUT 360 SOME ODD THOUSAND DOLLAR OF TAX REVENUE TO THE TOWN PER YEAR? THIS COMES AT A TIME WHEN WE ARE FINANCIALLY CHALLENGED AS A TOWN, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY WAYS TO TRIM OUR BUDGET TO FIND EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE CAN SQUEEZE, AND THIS IS GOING TO COST US SOME TAX REVENUE.
IN ADDITION, THE 380 AGREEMENT, $5 MILLION OVER SEVEN YEARS.
GRANTED, THAT IS REIMBURSEMENT MONEY, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE AT RISK OF THAT MONEY UNLESS THE DEVELOPMENT IS SUCCESSFUL AND BRINGS IN THE REVENUE THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT WILL COME IN.
ALL THAT TO BE SAID, I THINK THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER PROPOSAL FOR THE TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE.
THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE PHENOMENAL FOR THE AREA.
I SHARE THE EXCITEMENT. I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION, AND I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP.
I THINK THIS IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT OVER THE PREVIOUS PLAN IN THAT RESPECT.
I THINK THAT I ALSO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE TO SATISFY OUR CONCERNS.
>> WELL, JIMMY OFFERED US A CHOICE.
HE OFFERED US IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, EITHER C2 ZONING, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE WANT.
WE SEE THE GAS STATION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION OR AN ELEVATED COMMERCIAL PROJECT, WHICH WE KNOW REALTY CAPITAL CAN EXECUTE AND DOES A GREAT JOB.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT REQUIRES AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE TO MOVE FORWARD, AND THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVE HE PROPOSED WAS A MULTI FAMILY PROJECT, WHICH IS JUST NOT SUPPORTED BY THE RESIDENTS OF FLOWER MOUND ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN AS WE KNOW.
TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN TO STILL GET THE ELEVATED COMMERCIAL PROJECT, WE HAD TO STEP IN AND PROVIDE AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE IN THE FORM OF THIS 380 AGREEMENT.
JIMMY WORKED WITH US AND HE'S STILL GETTING A QUALITY RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT OUTCOME. IT'S NOT PERFECT.
BUT IT'S A REALLY GOOD COMPROMISE, AND I THINK THAT JIMMY IS A GREAT PARTNER.
HE'S THE ONLY PARTNER THAT I WOULD PROBABLY TRUST WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS, AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS 380 BECAUSE BY INCREASING IMPACT FEES TO 100%, BY NOT DOING IT TOURS IN THAT AREA, IT REALLY GAVE US A SEAT OF THE TABLE TO HAVE THESE NEGOTIATIONS, AND I TRUST THIS DEVELOPER COMPLETELY, SO I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS.
>> THAT'S REALLY GOOD TO HEAR. WE AGREE, ADAM.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, ASHLEY, WAS THE POINT THAT CHRIS BROUGHT UP, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION TO INCREASE AT THE DEVELOPERS DISCRETION, THE STORIES TWO, WAS IT THREE OR FOUR?
>> IT WAS UP TO FOUR, I THOUGHT.
WAS IT UP TO THREE. CHRIS, DID YOU SAY FOUR?
>> I'M LOOKING AT JIMMY THERE.
>> NO ONE GOT THAT JOKE. YOU GOT IT. YOU HAVE TEENAGERS.
>> I JUST WANT TO TIE INTO THAT.
I APPRECIATE JIMMY FOR WORKING WITH US TO REMOVE THE MULTI FAMILY TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS ON SOME OF THE DENSITY.
I THINK THIS IS A VASTLY IMPROVED PROJECT, AND I AGREE REALTY CAPITAL IS GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB.
THEY'RE GOING TO NO GET OUT OF THE PARK, AND I THINK IT BRINGS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT IN FIRE THE QUALITY RESTAURANTS, THE OFFICE, ANOTHER HOTEL.
YEAH, LOOK FORWARD TO THIS ONE.
>> YES, BUT DEFINITELY BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE.
>> THEN YOU HAVE TO DO ALL OF THE SEPARATE SEPARATELY?
>> THEY ALL HAVE TO BE SEPARATELY.
THEN WHICH ONE GETS THE MENTION ABOUT FINALIZING THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS?
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IS THAT EACH OF THEM HAS TO HAVE THAT TWO OR JUST FOUR?>> FIVE. THAT'S FIVE. I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT.
I'LL JUST SAY I MOVED TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM K4 AS WRITTEN.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL?
>> FOUR PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM K5 WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT WORKS WITH STAFF TO FINALIZE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS PER OUR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.
>> INCLUDING THREE STORIES FOR THE TWO BUILDINGS MENTIONED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
>> IT'LL BE UP TO THREE STORIES.
>> WE CAN TAKE THE ROLL. WE HAD A SECOND.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL?
>> I MOVED TO APPROVE ITEM K6 AS PROPOSED.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL?
>> ITEMS, K4, 5, AND 6 PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
CONGRATULATIONS, JIMMY ARCHIE.
LEXIN IS GOING TO DO ANOTHER PRESENTATION ON ITEM K7 ON THE BROOKVIEW PHASE 1A.
[K.7.SSP25-0003 - Brookview Phase 1A - Consider a request for a Subdivision Site Plan (SSP25-0003 - Brookview Phase 1A) to create a residential subdivision with certain exceptions, modifications, and waivers to the Code of Ordinances. The property is generally located north of Cross Timbers Road and east of Canyon Falls Drive. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 7 to 0 at its September 22, 2025, meeting.) ]
THIS IS IT. THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.THIS IS A SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN FOR BROOKVIEW PHASE 1A.
THERE ARE TWO EXCEPTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
HERE IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.
THE ORANGE IS THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDOUT, AND THEN THERE AT THE CORNER IS AMENITY AND DETENTION POND THAT'S ALSO BEING BUILT AS PART OF THIS FIRST PHASE.
THE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN RETAIL FOR THE CORNER, AND THE ZONING IS PD-202 WITH SF-5 AND RETAIL TWO USES.
A MODIFICATION TO THE STREET BUFFER LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED.
WE JUST RECENTLY CREATED THIS EXCEPTION PROCESS.
TYPICALLY, AN APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THE LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE 25-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
THAT BUFFER CAN BE EXTENDED SOME, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T HAVE THINGS BETWEEN IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU COULD JUST SAY THE BUFFER EXTENDED PAST ALL THE HOUSES AND THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
IN THIS CASE, THE DETENTION POND IS COMING IN THE MIDDLE THERE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE LIKE, THEN THEY NEED TO GET THE EXCEPTION TO GO AHEAD AND CAPTURE THESE TREES THAT ARE SURROUNDING THE POND TO COMPLETE THEIR LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
THEY ARE STILL PROVIDING THE SAME NUMBER OF REQUIRED TREES AS WOULD TYPICALLY BE PROVIDED.
THE PROBLEM IS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EASEMENTS THAT ARE RIGHT HERE ALONG 1171 THAT WILL NOT ALLOW PLANTING WITHIN THEM.
IT'S JUST NOT AN OPTION TO MEET IT WITHIN THAT FIRST 25 FEET.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE REQUESTED THIS MODIFICATION OR EXCEPTION APPROVAL.
THE NEXT ONE IS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION ENTRY AND SIGNAGE.
THE TOWN HAS A STANDARD THAT SAYS RESIDENTIAL ENTRY SIGN FACE MAY NOT EXCEED 60 SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS ALSO A RELATIVELY NEW STANDARD BECAUSE BEFORE THIS, WHEN DEVELOPMENT PLANS USED TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, THE DEVELOPER WOULD ALWAYS PUT WHATEVER THEIR PROPOSED SIGNAGE WAS AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION, AND SO THEN THE COUNCIL COULD DECIDE WHATEVER THEY THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT.
BUT ONCE WE STARTED BASED ON CHANGES FROM THE LEGISLATURE, WE STARTED APPROVING THESE DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND THEN THE SUBDIVISION SITE PLANS ADMINISTRATIVELY.
WE HAD TO CREATE A STANDARD FOR WHAT THESE WOULD MEET TYPICALLY, AND THEN IF THERE WAS ANY REQUEST TO MODIFY THAT, IT WOULD GO ON TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AS AN EXCEPTION REQUEST.
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YOU SAID THE TYPICAL STANDARD, WE WROTE IN WAS 60 FEET.THE APPLICANT WAS INITIALLY REQUESTING 108 SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS THE REQUEST THAT WENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
ONE THAT'S HERE AT CLEAR VIEW, AND THEN THIS ONE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE AT THAT ENTRANCE.
THIS WAS SHOWING WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING, A 108 SQUARE FEET.
P&Z THOUGHT THIS WAS TOO LARGE.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO NECESSARILY DICTATE A NUMBER, SO THEY ASKED THE APPLICANT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND POTENTIALLY TALK TO COUNCIL TO SEE WHAT ALL WOULD BE OPEN TO.
THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE COME BACK WITH.
THEY'RE PROPOSING 80 SQUARE FEET INSTEAD OF 60.
YOU CAN SEE THE COMPARISON FOR THE 60 SQUARE FEET.
IT WOULD BE 22 INCH LETTER HEIGHT, AND SO THIS WOULD JUST EXTEND IT TO 25 INCH LETTER HEIGHT.
THEN THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 3.5 FEET AS OPPOSED TO JUST THREE FEET.
FOR THAT OVERALL THAT B FOR THE TOP THERE.
THAT'S SHOWING THE DIFFERENCE AND WHAT THEY ARE NOW REQUESTING FOR THE 80 SQUARE FEET.
>> LEXIN, DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT COMPARES TO THE EXISTING CANYON FALLS AND TRAILWOOD ENTRANCE SIGNS?
>> IT'S DEFINITELY LARGER THAN TRAILWOOD.
FOR CANYON FALLS, I WOULD NEED TO TRY TO RESEARCH THAT.
THE CANYON FALLS ONE DIDN'T GO THROUGH OUR NORMAL PROCESS.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS CROSSING CITIES AND ALL OF THAT, BUT IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH OUR STANDARD PROCESS FOR THEIR SIGNAGE.
>> I THINK IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE, ISN'T IT? IS IT ON THE LEFT WHEN YOU DRIVE IN OR IS IT ON THE RIGHT?
>> JUST TO WALK THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN.
AGAIN, HERE IS THAT BLOCK FOR THE AMENITY DETENTION POND.
THIS IS THE FIRST SECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ADJACENT TO CROSS TIMBERS.
YOU CAN SEE HERE ARE THE TWO ENTRANCES WHERE THE SIGNS ARE PROPOSED.
AGAIN, HERE'S CLEAR VIEW, AND THEN THIS IS THE OTHER ENTRANCE.
THIS IS LOOKING AT THE SITE, LOOKING NORTH UP THAT FIRST ENTRANCE SITE, WHERE THIS SIGN WOULD BE.
THIS IS LOOKING UP WHERE CLEAR VIEW WILL BE CONSTRUCTED, WHERE THE OTHER SIGN WILL BE LOCATED.
THEN THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THE DETENTION POND.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LITTLE WATER THERE ALREADY, WHERE THAT WILL BE EXPANDED INTO AN AMENITY POND.
THIS IS STARTING FROM THE NORTH.
THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD OUT DENTON CREEK AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS COMING NORTH GOING DOWN SOUTH.
THEY'RE NOT BUILDING THAT RESIDENTIAL SECTION THAT'S FARTHEST NORTH.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BUILD DENTON CREEK AND THEN PICK UP THE SUBDIVISION HERE.
THEN IT'LL JUST CONTINUE ON DOWN, IT'S BROKEN INTO SECTIONS BECAUSE IT'S A RELATIVELY LARGE PLAN.
THEN THIS IS THE BOTTOM SECTION THAT'S ALONG CROSS TIMBERS.
HERE AGAIN, IS THAT AMENITY DETENTION POND OR RETENTION POND.
HERE'S THE CLEAR VIEW ENTRANCE, THE LANDSCAPING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
THIS IS CONTINUING EAST ALONG CROSS TIMBERS, JUST SHOWING YOU THE LANDSCAPING THERE.
THEN THIS IS GOING UP DENTON CREEK BOULEVARD TO ITS IN SECTIONS, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT'LL GO HERE TO HERE TO HERE, JUST CONTINUING NORTH.
THEN THE LAST SECTIONS OF DENTON CREEK IN THE AREA WHERE THEY'RE NOT CONSTRUCTING THE HOMES YET.
HERE IS THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S PROPOSED AROUND.
THEY HAVE AN AMENITY AREA WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION AS WELL FOR THOSE RESIDENTS AND BACK TO THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN AROUND THAT POND AT THE CORNER.
HERE'S JUST THE FINAL TWO IMAGES TO REMIND YOU WHERE THOSE WOULD BE LOCATED.
AGAIN, THERE ARE THE MODIFICATION EXCEPTION REQUESTS INCLUDED WITHIN THIS.
THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> NO QUESTIONS. YEAH. WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD.
>> THANK YOU. HELLO. MY NAME IS MIKAYLA CREIER.
OUR OFFICE IS IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS, 2001 NORTH MAR STREET.
GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THIS.
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THERE WE GO. YES. WE ARE REQUESTING FOR OUR TWO ENTRY SIGNS TO HAVE A SIGN FACE EXCEPTION.FOR THE WESTBOUND SIGN, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT SOME CONFUSION WITH FLEGIBILITY AND MARKETABILITY OF THE TOWN'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AS WELL.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH VISIBILITY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING DOWN THAT ROAD TO BE ABLE TO SEE OUR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
THEN ON THE EASTBOUND, WE HAVE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT UTILITIES THAT HAVE PUSHED THE SIGN BACK FROM THE ROAD PRETTY FAR.
THE LARGER LETTER HEIGHT IS VERY HELPFUL FOR AGAIN, THAT VISIBILITY AND LEGIBILITY. THERE WE GO.
HERE'S THE I THINK WE WAS SHOWN BEFORE.
BUT WITH THE 80 SQUARE FOOTAGE SERVICE AREA AS AN INCREASE FROM THE 60 SQUARE FOOTAGE EXCEPTION REQUEST.
THEN ACTUALLY SPEAKING ON SOME OF THOSE SURROUNDING SIGNS.
WE DO HAVE THOSE TWO CANYON FALL SIGNS RIGHT THERE AT THE WEST SIDE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.
THAT IS PROBABLY ROUGHLY ABOUT 115 SQUARE FOOTAGE TOTAL INCLUDING BOTH OF THEM, AND THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE SIGNS SQUARE FOOTAGE SIGN LETTERS.
THEN FOR THE TRAILWOOD, THEY DO HAVE THREE SIGNS, ESTIMATING PROBABLY A TOTAL OF CLOSER TO 60, AND THAT'S JUST AGAIN, ESTIMATIONS.
HERE YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHERE WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED OUR WESTBOUND SIGNAGE FOR THE BROOKVIEW DEVELOPMENT IN THAT YELLOW ASTRICT AND IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NO CONFUSION WITH THE TOWN'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, AND IT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED AND ASKED TO MOVE THAT BACK.
WE DID MOVE THAT BACK TO THE DETON CREEK BOULEVARD.
THIS IS WESTBOUND ROUGH LOCATION OF THAT SIGNAGE IN THAT GREEN DOT JUST AS WE'RE APPROACHING AT THAT SPEED LIMIT OF 50 MILES AN HOUR.
THEN JUST SO YOU ALL THAT CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE, WE HAVE TWO OF OUR RENDERINGS DONE AS WE'RE INCREASING IN, JUST TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCE IN LEGIBILITY, EVEN THAT THREE INCHES OF LETTER HEIGHT REALLY HELPS.
THEN THIS IS ALONG FROM THE EAST.
WE CAN SEE THOSE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SLOPES.
AGAIN, THAT'S ALL UTILITY EASEMENTS AS WELL.
COMING CLOSER, AND THEN BACK INTO OUR RENDERS AS WELL.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THERE'S SOME OF OUR POWER LINES AS WELL THAT ARE GOING TO BE BLOCKING SOME OF THOSE SIGNAGE, AND SO HAVING LARGER LETTER SIZE IS ALSO GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THAT LEGIBILITY.
THERE IT IS RIGHT AS YOU'RE TURNING IN.
THEN YES AT BLOCK K LOT 1, WHICH IS THAT OFFICIAL TERMS FOR THE AMENITY POND THAT WE'RE DOING UP THERE.
WE DO HAVE THAT LOCATED ON HERE FOR YOU WHERE THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS.
THEN SHOWCASING ALL THE UTILITY EASEMENTS THAT ARE RIGHT THROUGH THERE AND THEN THAT GREEN LINE THAT'S DASHED IS ACTUALLY SHOWCASING WHERE THE LIMITS OF THAT 25 FEET ARE AND THAT'S COMPLETELY IN A GAS EASEMENT, AND SO THERE WILL BE NO PLANTING AS DISCUSSED.
YEAH. AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS? COUNCIL.
>> I GENERALLY DON'T LIKE THE LARGER SIGN.
JUST TO BE HONEST, JUST BECAUSE IT IS LARGER THAN THE CANYON FALLS AND TRAILWOOD SIGNS.
HOWEVER, SINCE IT IS FURTHER BACK, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
IT'S ONLY THREE INCHES, SO I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO DO IT AT THIS POINT.
THAT AREA IS PRETTY ABOVE THE ROAD.
I JUST LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS AND I JUST THINK THAT THE INCREASE HEIGHT LOOKS MORE OBNOXIOUS.
I FEEL WE SET THESE STANDARDS FOR A REASON AS TO MAKE IT MORE SIMPLE.
>> I WOULDN'T HAVE GONE WITH THE 106 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO YOUR POINT A LITTLE BIT OBNOXIOUS.
BUT I THINK THE 80 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS ONLY 30% MORE THAN WHAT WE WOULD ALLOW, BUT THE SETBACK WILL GIVE THE VISUAL THAT IT'S ACTUALLY SMALLER.
WE'RE NOT RIGHT ON TOP OF IT. I'M OKAY WITH IT.
>> I ONLY WANT TO HEAR WHAT BRIAN THOUGHT AND SINCE YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
ALSO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING EXACTLY WHAT P&Z ASKED YOU TO DO. THEY GAVE YOU FEEDBACK.
THEY OFFERED A COMPROMISE AND YOU TOOK IT AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, GREENBOOK HAS BEEN FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH.
THAT'S A FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED FROM STAFF AND WE DON'T HEAR THAT ABOUT EVERY DEVELOPER.
BUT YOU GUYS APPARENTLY DO WHAT WE ASK AND DO IT WELL, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.
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>> THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
THAT WAS THE NUMBER BEING THROWN AROUND WAS 80 SQUARE FEET.
YEAH, I'M FINE WITH IT, TOO FOR SURE.
>> COUNCIL, IF NO MORE QUESTIONS, NO MORE COMMENTARY, DOES ANYONE WISH TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> YEAH. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE REGULAR ITEM K7 AS PRESENTED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
>> AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL?
>> ALL RIGHT. ITEM K7 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
THANK YOU. OH, I'M SORRY, IT'S 4-1.
I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR NAME. I THOUGHT YOU SAID YEAH.
[K.8.RP25-0006 - Flower Mound Family Farmhouse Addition Lots 1R & 2R, Block A - Public Hearing to consider a request for a Replat (RP25-0006 — FM Family Farmhouse Addition, 1R & 2R, Block A) to relocate lot lines between two residential lots with an exception to lot depth pursuant to Section 90-272(a), of the Code of Ordinances. The property is generally located north of Sentinel Oak Road and west of Simmons Road. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 7 to 0 at its September 22, 2025, meeting.) ]
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FLOWER MOUND FAMILY FARMHOUSE.I'LL OPEN IT TO A PUBLIC HEARING IN JUST A FEW MINUTES AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES, THIS IS A PROPOSED REPLOT TO TWO LOTS.
HERE IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THE LOT LINES THAT ARE OUTLINED HERE.
THEY ARE THE SMALLER LOT AND THEN THE LARGER LOT SURROUNDING IT.
THIS IS A LITTLE CLEAR VIEW, MORE DETAILED.
THIS IS CURRENTLY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A FLAG LOT.
HOWEVER, AT THE TIME IT WAS PLOTTED, IT WAS BEFORE THE TOWN HAD A FLAG LOT PROHIBITION OR EXCEPTION REQUIREMENT.
NOTHING SPECIFIC WAS DONE AT THAT TIME.
WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS TO INCREASE THE SCALE OF THE FLAG LOT, AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
THE LAND USE IS A STATE DENSITY AND THE ZONING IS SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE.
THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT SPEAKS TO FLAG LOTS.
TOWN CODE REQUIRES APPROVAL OF AN EXCEPTION FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL TO ALLOW THE CONFIGURATION OF A FLAG LOT.
UNDER THE SFE ZONING DISTRICT, THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 150 FEET, AND THAT IS MEASURED AT THE FRONT BUILDING SETBACK LINE PER THE TOWNS CODE.
IN THIS CASE, THE PROPOSED REPLOT WOULD REDUCE THE FRONTAGE OF LOT 1R FROM 101 FEET TO 38 FEET.
YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT WIDER AND THEN WHAT'S PROPOSED IS MAKING IT EVEN NARROWER.
THAT'S WHY WE SAY IT'S INCREASING THE DEGREE OF FLAG TO THIS LOT.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR IT.
BUT THE EXISTING LOT CONFIGURATION WAS LIKE I SAID, IN THE SHAPE OF A FLAG, BUT THIS IS SHOWING WHERE THE CURRENT FRONT SETBACK LINE WOULD BE, AND THAT'S BEING REMOVED WITH THIS PLAT IF APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
IT WOULD BE MOVED TO THIS POINT.
THAT'S ONE OF THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL BY THE COUNCIL, YOU CAN JUST SAY, IF YOU WISH TO APPROVE IT, YOU CAN SAY APPROVE AS PRESENTED BECAUSE WE ADDED THAT LANGUAGE.
BUT BASICALLY, BECAUSE THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, IT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEASURE THE FRONT SETBACK, OR MEASURE THE LOT WIDTH AT THE FRONT SETBACK LINE.
THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND HERE.
THAT WOULD NOT MEET THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH BECAUSE IT'S VERY NARROW AT THAT POINT.
IF THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN APPROVING THIS, WHICH YOU WOULD BE DOING IS MAKING A CONDITION OF YOUR APPROVAL THAT THE SETBACK BE MOVED MUCH FURTHER BACK.
IN THAT WAY, THE LOT WOULD STILL BE MEETING ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND NOT HAVE TO MAKE A SEPARATE TRIP TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO MODIFY THE LOT WIDTH AND WE WOULDN'T EVEN REALLY WANT TO SAY THAT THE LOT WIDTH CAN ONLY HAS TO BE 30 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS THE WAY TO GET PAST THAT HUMP, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
LIKE I SAID, THIS IS WHAT'S PROPOSED, SO YOU WOULD MOVE ALMOST 500 FEET NORTH AND THEN START MEASURING FROM THAT AS IF THAT'S THAT LOT LINE THERE, AND THEN MEASURE 40 FEET BACK FROM THAT.
THE BOTTOM LOT WOULD ACT AS NORMALLY ANY SFE LOT WOULD, ALL THE SETBACK LINES WOULD BE IN THEIR TYPICAL LOCATION.
HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH INTO THE EXISTING PROPERTY.
I SAID THEY'RE ALREADY BOTH DEVELOPED WITH HOMES, AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING NORTH AND YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER HOME IN THE DISTANCE.
IT'S ALSO ALREADY CONSTRUCTED.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE WITH A PRESENTATION.
>> ARE THEY JUST MOVING SOME LAND FROM ONE LOT TO THE OTHER?
>> YES. THEY'RE BOTH STILL GOING TO EXCEED THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR AN ESTATE LOT.
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IT'S BASICALLY IT'S ACTUALLY MAKING THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE EQUIVALENT IN SIZE.THEY'LL BOTH BE CLOSE TO THREE IS ACRES AS OPPOSED TO NOW, THERE'S ONE THAT'S JUST LIKE AN ACRE, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND, 5.5.
>> LOOK, AND THE ONLY RESERVATION I HAVE ABOUT THIS IS JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT HINDU CHURCH APPLICATION THAT WE DEALT WITH WHERE THEY HAD A FLAG LOT AND THEN THEY NEEDED TO PUT THE FIRE LANE IN TO ACCOMMODATE A FIRE TRUCK AND PARKING.
IF THE FUTURE OWNER OF LOT 1R DECIDES, I WANT TO USE THIS FOR SOMETHING ELSE, AND NOW WE NEED TO PUT IN A HUGE DRIVEWAY THAT ACCOMMODATES A FIRE TRUCK, ARE WE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO THAT SITUATION AGAIN OR IS THIS LOT NOW SMALL ENOUGH THAT WE DON'T EVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT? IT'S JUST GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS AND IT'S NOT GOING TO AT SOME POINT BECOME THREE HOUSES AND THEN IT NEEDS A ROAD GOING TO IT?
THIS IS ONLY 30 FEET WIDE, 37.65 FEET IS THE FRONTAGE.
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH FRONTAGE TO MAKE THIS A ROAD, SO IT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED WITH ANYTHING BESIDES A SINGLE LOT.
>> IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT SOME ALLOWED USE, OR MULTIPLE LOTS, AND THEN WE SAY THEY SAY, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PUT A FIRE LANE IN, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO SAY, YOU CAN'T, IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH.
YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO PUT THE ROAD IN, THEN WE CAN DENY THAT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO OPEN OURSELVES UP TO A CONSTITUTIONAL TAKING.
>> YES. CORRECT. ANY FUTURE PURCHASER STEPS INTO THE SHOES OF THE CURRENT OWNER.
THERE IS NO EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO A VARIANCE TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OTHER USE, WHEN THERE ARE PROPOSED EXISTING USES FOR THESE PROPERTIES, AND THEY'RE MAKING ECONOMIC USE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
THERE REALLY IS NO, IN MY MIND, NO RISK OF A REGULATORY TAKING.
>> WHY COULDN'T WE MAKE THAT SAME ARGUMENT WITH THE PREVIOUS FLAG LOT THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH?
>> I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT THAT, BUT OUR CONCERNS WERE YOU HAVE TO ALLOW SOME ACCESS, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND WHETHER TO ALLOW IT TO BE A FLAG LOT WHEN IT HAD NO OTHER ACCESS WHATSOEVER.
YOU CAN'T STRIP THE LOT FROM ALL ECONOMIC POSSIBLE USE.
I THINK THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE FACTS SURROUNDING THAT PRIOR CASE WERE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THIS.
>> WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SOMEBODY SAYING, I NEED TO PUT A ROAD IN HERE THAT ACCOMMODATES A FIRE TRUCK AND THEN, SOME FUTURE COUNCIL HAS THEIR HANDS TIED?
>> NO. WITH THE PREVIOUS CASE, THEY WERE IN THE SAME SITUATION THAT THEY COULD NOT DEVELOP THAT AS MORE THAN ONE LOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A FIRE LANE, AGAIN, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH PLATTED LOTS, HAVE TO BE ACCESSED BY A ROAD IF THEY'RE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY FOR A LOCAL RESIDENTIAL ROAD.
IF THERE'S ONLY 38 FEET RIGHT HERE, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO MAKE A LEGAL ROAD, BASED ON THE TOWN'S BASE ROAD REGULATIONS.
IN THE PREVIOUS CASE, IT WAS ONE LOT EXCEPT IT WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN DIFFICULT OR THEY COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT TO MAKE IT MORE THAN ONE LOT.
AGAIN, AS BRENT MENTIONED, IT WAS JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD A SPECIMEN TREE WITHIN THERE AND FOR US TO SAY YOU CAN'T TAKE OUT THE SPECIMEN TREE, WOULD BE TO PREVENT ANY ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
WHETHER SOMEBODY COULD EVER WANT TO TRY TO HAVE A RELIGIOUS FACILITY USE HERE, THAT ISN'T ALLOWED USE WITHIN A STATE ZONING, BUT IT WOULD STILL HAVE ITS ACCESS, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S PLANNING TO PLANT A TREE HERE IN THE ACCESS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD CREATE THE SAME ISSUE.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF IT WAS A RELIGIOUS USE, THEY STILL WOULD HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO PUT, THEIR DRIVEWAY THAT MET ALL OF OUR STANDARDS OR THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH?
BECAUSE AGAIN, IF THEY WERE KEEPING IT AS ONE LOT, YOU ONLY HAVE TO HAVE 26 FEET WIDE FOR AN ACCESS EASEMENT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT FOR FIRE PURPOSES, BUT YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT A ROAD.
>> IT COULDN'T LIKE SUBDIVIDED IT INTO MULTIPLE LOTS.
>> IT COULDN'T BE SUBDIVIDED IN MULTIPLE LOTS BECAUSE YOU WOULD NEED A LEGAL ROAD TO REACH THAT.
>> WELL, THAT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE THAT MAYBE WE'RE PUTTING THE FUTURE COUNCIL IN A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO NOW HAVE TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO COME IN AND PUT A 30 FOOT WIDE ROAD THERE.
IT'S GOING TO MAKE ALL THE NEIGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT THAT AREN'T ON THIS, THE ONES TO THE WEST, VERY UNHAPPY.
>> I FEEL LIKE I DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT WELL.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN A ROAD.
I'M SAYING THAT IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR A ROAD.
>> OR A DRIVEWAY THAT LEADS TO SOME OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USE.
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>> IT COULD BE WIDE ENOUGH TO LEAD TO A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE, BUT THAT'S THE CASE CURRENTLY ALSO.
>> WELL, CURRENTLY, THEY HAVE A LOT MORE SPACE AND IT'S NOT AS DEEP, IT'S NOT AS FAR BACK INTO THAT PROPERTY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPATIBLE CURRENTLY IN MY OPINION.
NOW, BUT IF IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON, BUT WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
IF SOMEBODY COMES IN 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND SAYS, I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND SOMETHING VERY UNUSUAL AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY NEED TO PUT A DRIVEWAY THAT ACCOMMODATES A FIRE TRUCK.
THEN PEOPLE ON THE WEST ARE VERY UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT.
BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT.
WE'VE JUST CREATED THE SAME SITUATION THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH.
IS THERE A WAY WE CAN TAKE ANY ACTION NOW THAT ACCOMMODATES THIS REQUEST BUT PREVENTS A FUTURE COUNCIL FROM HAVING THEIR HANDS TIED WHERE THEY HAVE TO APPROVE SOME PROJECT THAT CREATES A BIG PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS DRIVEWAY? CAN WE MAKE IT EVEN MORE NARROW TO WHERE THEY COULDN'T PUT IN A DRIVEWAY? IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO TRY TO AVOID THAT? I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
>> I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S HARD FOR THE FIRE TRUCK TO GET THROUGH.
>> NO, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, JUST BECAUSE THE FIRE TRUCKS, WE STILL WANT THEM TO ABLE TO GET TO THIS HOUSE TOO.
IT'S LIKE I THINK WE WOULD WANT IT TO BE WIDE ENOUGH TO EASILY ACCOMMODATE FIRE SERVICES.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I THINK IT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR ANY USE THAT'S ACCESSED AS ONE LOT.
>> WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEIR PRESENTATION JUST TO SEE WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS?
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE FAMILIARITY WITH WHAT HAPPENED.
>> YOU'RE JUST THINKING BUT IF THEY TALK ABOUT FOREVER HOME.
>> I'M SURE THAT'S THEIR FOREVER HOME EXCEPT IF IT'S NOT.
WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY? THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE MAP THAT LOOKS LIKE A ROAD, BUT I CAN'T REALLY TELL WHAT IT IS.
IS THAT AN ACTUAL TOWN ROAD? I SEE. IT'S AN EVEN MORE ENCUMBERED EXCESS POINT.
I JUST HATE TO BE PUTTING A FUTURE COUNCIL IN THE SAME SITUATION.
I THINK I SAID IN THAT MEETING THAT WE WOULD NEVER DO THIS.
WE WOULD NEVER CREATE A FLAG LOT THAT CAUSES THAT KIND OF A PROBLEM TO THAT HAD BEEN DONE WITH THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE PAST.
>> WASN'T THAT SITUATION WHERE IT WAS UNDEVELOPED?
>> THERE WAS SOMETHING AT ONE POINT, AND THIS IS OKAY.
I'LL STOP ASKING QUESTIONS AND LET THE PUBLIC COME UP CASE.
>> TO COUNSELORS POINT, THIS IS ALREADY DEVELOPED NEXT TO THE PROPERTY, WHEREAS WITH THE SITUATION YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, IT WAS UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT WAS THEN GETTING DEVELOPED AS A SUBDIVISION.
THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AS THEY HADN'T REALIZED WHAT COULD BE COMING IN THE FUTURE.
>>IS THIS MASTER PLAN FOR A STATE DENSITY?
>> WELL, IT'S ALLOWED PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE. CORRECT.
>> WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE LARGER LOT.
SHE'S ALREADY GONE OVER WHY WE'RE HERE.
THE FLAG LOT EXCEPTION, SO WE WENT THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING AND GOT APPROVAL.
THEN WE'RE COMING HERE TO SEEK APPROVAL.
WE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT BETWEEN US AND OUR NEIGHBOR.
SHE'S THE ONE WHO'S LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE AN UNUSUAL EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.
BUT OUR HISTORY IS WE USED TO BE ONE LARGE SEVEN ACRE LOT, AND THEN BACK IN THE 90S BEFORE EITHER PARTY OWNED THE LAND, WE WERE SPLIT OFF INTO THIS FLAG LOT.
THAT ONE ACRE LOT WAS SPLIT OFF AND SOLD SEPARATELY.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT A REDISTRIBUTION.
BOTH PARTIES WANT ABOUT EQUAL LOTS, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH LAND.
OUR NEIGHBOR WANTS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BASED ON HOW OUR FENCING IS RIGHT NOW AND THE CURRENT USE OF OUR LAND, THIS WOULD JUST MAKE THE MOST SENSE BECAUSE OUR DRIVEWAY IS ALREADY DOWN THAT LEFT SIDE
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AND THE PASTURE LAND IS ALREADY FENCED IN ALONG THAT AREA.VISUALLY, IT WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.
THE PURPOSE WOULD REMAIN THE SAME JUST TO ALLOW BOTH PARTIES TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LAND.
WE'RE ALL PRESENT HERE TONIGHT, HOPING FOR APPROVAL.
LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING ALREADY.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD, AND I CANNOT READ THIS NAME FOR THE LIFE OF ME.
>> I HAVE TERRIBLE HANDWRITING AT A HEART DASTARLY COMBO.
HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL.
THE GOAL FOR ME IS TO HAVE SOME LIVESTOCK AND BE ABLE TO CREATE MORE OF A HOMESTEAD, SO I'M REALLY HOPING THAT YOU GUYS WILL APPROVE.
IN TERMS OF YOUR CONCERNS, I BELIEVE YOU GUYS KNOW THE CODE BETTER THAN I DO, BUT WE BELIEVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS DESIGNED FOR ONLY TWO ACRE LOTS, SO IF YOU GUYS DIVIDE IT OUT, THEN THAT BACK PROPERTY COULDN'T BE SUBDIVIDED INTO MULTIPLES ROAD.
IT COULD ONLY EVER BE SINGLE FAMILY UNLESS YOU GUYS CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ALLOW FOR SMALLER ACRE LOTS.
THAT SHOULD HELP SOME CONCERNS.
THEN AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL IS TO FOLLOW THE PRE EXISTING FENCE LINE.
JUST KEEPING THAT DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO STAY THE EXACT SAME SIZE THAT IT CURRENTLY IS.
IT'S JUST THAT NOW THE PROPERTY LINE WILL BE ON THE FENCE RATHER THAN IT'S A PASTURE LIVESTOCK FENCE, THAT'S STILL PART OF ONE HOME.
IS THAT IN AND OUT IS GOING TO STAY THE SAME SIZE IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN.
>> THANK YOU. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. IT'S STILL AN OPEN HEARING.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENT CARDS.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
>> BETSY, ARE YOU GOING TO STAY IN THIS HOUSE? IS THAT YOUR CURRENT HOME? WHO LIVES IN THERE NOW? COME BACK UP.
>> MY SISTER AND I GREW UP IN THAT HOME.
WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON STAYING IN IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE ARE BOTH CO-OWNERS.
BUT WE WANTED TO SPLICE OFF THE LAND FOR OUR NEIGHBOR.
ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE LIVED UP FRONT THERE HAVE ALWAYS ASKED FOR LAND BECAUSE, LIKE ASLYN SAID, IT'S LIKE ALL OF THE TWO-PLUS-ACRE LOTS.
ANYWAY, EVERYONE'S ALWAYS BEEN SEEKING TO BE MORE EQUAL.
THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS INTERESTED IN THE LAND, AND WE WERE INTERESTED IN LETTING IT GO.
>> I'M DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU UP TONIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE IT AS DIFFICULT AS POSSIBLE FOR SOME FUTURE OWNER TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A BIG DRIVEWAY THAT PUTS A BURDEN ON THE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE, BECAUSE WE JUST WENT THROUGH IT.
>> YES. WELL, LIKE ASLYN SAID, IT WOULD KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT'S OUR GOAL.
WE'VE BEEN LIVING THERE AS A FAMILY FOR 30-PLUS YEARS.
EVERYONE ON OUR STREET WANTS IT TO LOOK THE SAME AND BE WHERE WE SEE HORSES AND GRASS, AND IT'S JUST REALLY LOVELY TO DRIVE BY AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR.
LIKE ASLYN SAID, NOBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD ON IT IF WE SPLIT IT THIS WAY BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE AN ADDITIONAL TWO-ACRE LOT, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A WIN-WIN.
>> YOU ONLY NEED ONE ACRE TO BUILD AN ESTATE RESIDENTIAL, BUT I AGREE BY MAKING IT SMALLER PROBABLY MAKES IT MORE CHALLENGING.
I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF YOUR PROJECT. IT LOOKS REALLY GREAT.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM K8 AS PROPOSED.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL?
>> ITEM K PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THOSE TWO DISCUSSION.
[L.BOARDS/COMMISSIONS ]
TRACY, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT ON THIS.>> YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THIS EVENING THIS ITEM IS TO REAPPOINT THE PLACES OF COUNCIL THAT SERVE ON THE TR'S TWO BOARD.
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PLACES 7 AND 8 ARE APPOINTED BY THE COUNTY AND THEIR TERM EXPIRES AUGUST 5 OF 2027.THESE TERMS ARE RELATED TO PLACES, AND SO IT WOULD BE CHERYL MOORE PLACE 1 TERM BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025, EXPIRING DECEMBER 31, 2026, AND BRIAN TAYLOR, ALSO BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025, EXPIRING DECEMBER 31, 2027, ADAM SCHIESTEL PLACE 2 EXPIRING IN 2027, AND THEN JANVIER WARNER EXPIRING DECEMBER 31 OF 2026.
>> TRACY, WE CAN JUST READ THIS AS IT'S WRITTEN ON HERE?
>> WE CAN MAKE A MOTION IF YOU WANT TO. ANY DISCUSSION?
>> PRETTY GOOD IF I MAKE A MOTION.
I MOVE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION APPOINTING, REAPPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE 2.
CHERYL MOORE, PLACE 1, ADAM SCHIESTEL, PLACE 2, BRIAN TAYLOR, PLACE 4, JANVIER WARNER, PLACE 5, WITH PLACE 1 AND PLACE 5 WITH A TERM BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025 AND ENDING DECEMBER 31, 2026, AND PLACE 2 AND PLACE 4 WITH A TERM BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025 AND ENDING DECEMBER, 2027.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL.
>> THOSE TWO BOARD PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ENVIRONMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
TRACY, YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT.
>> YES, JUST BRIEFLY, THE NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS CHANGED OR CHANGED BY THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR.
AT A PREVIOUS WORK SESSION, COUNCIL AGREE TO PLACE 1 BEING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CHAIR, PLACE 2 BEING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VICE CHAIR, AND PLACE 3 BEING THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION CHAIR.
THAT LEAVES PLACE 4, 5, AND 6 AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE REAL ESTATE BUILDING OR DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRIES, AND THOSE THREE ARE UP FOR YOUR APPOINTMENT THIS EVENING.
>> MAYOR, THERE WAS A CANDIDATE.
WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS ALREADY, BILL CHEGG AND BRIAN DENCH.
IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THE TWO OF THEM.
THERE WAS A CANDIDATE WE INTERVIEWED NAMED AME JUNEJA, WHO WAS A LICENSED REALTOR IN ADDITION TO HIS OTHER CAREER AS AN IT PROFESSIONAL, AND HE WAS THE ONE I WAS SUGGESTING THAT WE COULD BRING AND ADD AS OUR THIRD REALTOR DEVELOPER MEMBER OF THE BOARD IF EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT.
>> I REMEMBER HIM, DEFINITELY.
>> I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WOULD REMEMBER AS SOON AS I BROUGHT HIS NAME UP.
HE WAS A GREAT CANDIDATE, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE.
>> DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> YES, I'M LOOKING FOR THE LANGUAGE HERE.
ONE MOMENT. I'M GOING TO MORE OR LESS READ WHAT YOU HAVE ON THIS, BUT THERE'S A GRAPH OR A CHART HERE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THROUGH THESE ONE AT A TIME?
>> YES, SIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND WITH THE EXPIRATION DATE FOR THE TERM ENDING, PLEASE.
>> I JUST NEEDED THE I HAVE IT ACTUALLY RIGHT HERE BECAUSE YOU GAVE ME A COPY OF IT EARLIER.
>> JUST AS A REMINDER, THE TERMS ARE STAGGERING BECAUSE IT'S A NEW BOARD.
>> IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATTER WHICH PLACE EACH MEMBER IS ASSIGNED TO.
>> FOR THE THREE THAT YOU'RE APPOINTING, NO, SIR.
>> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER CHAIR, PLACE 1, OCTOBER 1, 2025 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2026.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VICE CHAIR, PLACE 2, OCTOBER 1, 2025 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2027.
THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION CHAIR, PLACE 3, OCTOBER 1, 2025 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2028.
BILL KONIG, REPRESENTATIVE OF REAL ESTATE BUILDING OR DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRIES, PLACE 4, OCTOBER 1, 2025 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2026.
BRIAN DENCH, REPRESENTATIVE OF REAL ESTATE BUILDING OR DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRIES, PLACE 5, OCTOBER 1, 2025, SEPTEMBER 30, 2027, AND AME JUNEJA, REPRESENTATIVE OF REAL ESTATE BUILDING OR DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRIES, PLACE 6, OCTOBER 1, 2025, EXPIRING SEPTEMBER 30, 2028.
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>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL.
>> THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
[M.WORK SESSION ITEM ]
IS GOING TO GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'RE HAVING WITH BUDGETING OUR SERVICES BASED ON SOME LEGISLATIVE IMPACTS AND SOME INFLATIONARY IMPACTS.THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT PRESENTATION.
>> MAYOR, BEFORE JOHN GETS STARTED, I JUST WANT TO SET THIS UP.
TONIGHT, WE BEGIN A SERIES OF IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH YOU ALL AS ACCOUNTS IN REGARDS TO OUR SERVICE LEVELS HERE IN THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND.
WE KICK IT OFF THIS EVENING AND IT WILL RUN THROUGH DECEMBER AT THE DECEMBER 18 WORK SESSION.
THE PURPOSE IS THE LATER GROUNDWORK FOR EXAMINING HOW DO WE SUSTAIN OUR SERVICE LEVELS IN LIGHT OF OUR NEW FINANCIAL CLIMATE.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS POSITION ALMOST FOUR YEARS NOW AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT SB2 FROM 2019 A LOT.
ANYTIME THAT I SPEAK ON IT, YOU ALWAYS ASSUME THAT YOU'RE SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THAT.
JUST REAL BRIEFLY, THAT BILL THAT WAS PASSED IN 2019 CAPPED THE REVENUE THAT WE COULD GENERATE FROM PROPERTY TAXES TO 3.5%.
IF YOU EXCEEDED THAT, IT TRIGGERED WHAT WAS CALLED THE ROLLBACK ELECTION.
WHEN THIS WENT INTO EFFECT, MUNICIPALITIES WERE BUFFERED BY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, JUST STRONG SALES TAX RECEIPTS, AND THE OTHER THING WAS A PANDEMIC.
IN FACT THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS GIVING FUNDS TO MUNICIPALITIES IN THE FORM OF CARES AND RPA DOLLARS THAT WE USED TO GET THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR PERIOD.
THE ONE THING I'LL JUST SAY ABOUT THIS IS THAT I'VE GOTTEN ON MY SOAPBOX ON THIS PARTICULAR BILL QUITE OFTEN.
THIS ISN'T WHINING ABOUT THE BILL.
IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR SIX YEARS.
BUT THE REALITY IS THAT WE HAVE TO START ADJUSTING TO THE REALITY BECAUSE NOW WE'VE HIT A POINT TO WHERE THOSE REVENUE CAPS ARE REALLY FORCING US TO ASSESS OUR SERVICE LEVELS.
FISCAL YEAR 26, OUR CURRENT FISCAL YEAR THAT STARTED IN LAST WEEK.
THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 16 YEARS, WE'VE SEEN A DECLINE IN OUR PROPERTY TAX BASE.
THAT COUPLED WITH FLAT SALES TAX SAYS, PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING BUDGET THAT WE JUST PUT TOGETHER.
WORKING WITH JOHN, WE HAD TO PULL PRETTY MUCH EVERY LEVER WE POSSIBLY COULD TO NOT CUT SERVICE LEVELS.
WHAT WE HAD IS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER A STRUCTURALLY BALANCED BUDGET, BUT IT JUST MAINTAINED OUR EXISTING SERVICE LEVELS.
WE DID VERY LITTLE TO INCREASE THOSE SERVICE LEVELS OR MAKE NEEDED INVESTMENTS ACROSS THE BOARD.
GOING INTO THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO START HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, AND THEY'LL HELP US ASSESS WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY SERVICES OUR RESIDENTS HAVE COME TO EXPECT.
NOW, ULTIMATELY, WE HAVE TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY FOR A VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE ELECTION OR VDR.
THAT'S A WORD THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT QUITE A BIT IN THIS VAT RE, NOT ER.
BUT THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT SB TWO IS PUT IN PLACE TO ALLOW US TO EXCEED THAT 3.5% REVENUE CAP.
AGAIN, NO DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE MADE.
WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING DEFINITIVELY, BUT OUR CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLORE FOR FISCAL YEAR 27 STARTING NEXT YEAR.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE KICKING OFF THIS CONVERSATION, AND JOHN IS GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE SET OF DATA THAT HE'S PUT TOGETHER.
INCLUDES INSIGHTS FROM OUR RECENTLY COMPLETED RESIDENT SURVEY.
BUT ALSO, HE TAKES A DEEPER LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL DATA OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, JOHN JUST DIDN'T LOOK AT BUDGETS BECAUSE BUDGETS ARE PLANNING DOCUMENTS.
HE TOOK A LOOK AT THE ACTUAL AUDITED NUMBERS FROM THE ACRS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL DOLLARS SPENT AND A GOOD ASSESSMENT OF THE FISCAL HEALTH NOMINALLY, BUT FOR THE TOWN, BEFORE OUR COMPARISON CITIES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT WE OPERATE WITH FISCAL DISCIPLINE AND WE'RE EFFICIENT AND WE'RE EFFECTIVE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING OUT THERE JUST SIMPLY SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS NEED TO TIGHTEN YOUR BELTS, AND I'M FOR THAT.
I GET WHAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING AT.
SEARCH EVERYTHING POSSIBLE, FIGURE OUT HOW EFFICIENT YOU CAN BE, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE NORMALLY DO.
BUT THE DATA WILL SHOW THAT OUR BELTS ARE ALREADY TIGHT, AND REALLY THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND DOESN'T HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM, WE HAVE A REVENUE PROBLEM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRIDGE AND ADJUST.
OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, OUR DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND LEADERS ARE GOING TO COME AND PRESENT THEIR SERVICE LEVEL NEEDS TO YOU.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GIVE YOU A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S ON THE HORIZON AND WHAT'S AT STAKE WHEN IT COMES TO OUR SERVICE LEVELS.
I WANT TO STRESS THIS ISN'T ABOUT IMMEDIATE DECISIONS.
YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS TODAY.
WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK YOUR QUESTIONS,
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EXPLORE OPTIONS, AND PREPARE FOR THE STRATEGIC SERVICES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE.THIS ISN'T ABOUT A RIGHT OR WRONG DECISION.
THAT'S THE THING I WANT TO STRESS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT RIGHT OR WRONG.
IT'S ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE LANDSCAPE AND THE IMPLICATIONS OF ANY DECISION THAT WE MAKE EITHER DIRECTION, BECAUSE THERE'S IMPLICATIONS IF WE DO EVADER, THERE'S IMPLICATIONS THAT WE DON'T DO ONE.
TYPICALLY, WHEN WE GET INTO THE MONTH OF MARCH IS WHEN I ASK YOU FOR YOUR BUDGET PRIORITIES AND WHATNOT, AND THAT WILL REMAIN TRUE, BUT ALSO AROUND THAT SAME TIME FRAME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION OF A VADER IS SOMETHING THAT WE SERIOUSLY WANT TO CONSIDER BECAUSE THERE'S CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO IT.
WE, IN ESSENCE, HAVE TO BUILD A BUDGET AND A HALF, IF YOU WILL, BUILD THE BUDGET THAT GOES TO THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, AND THEN THOSE ITEMS THAT WOULD EXCEED THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY GO TO THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER OF 26.
BUT THE KEY IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE DELIVER THE SERVICE LEVELS THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE COME TO EXPECT.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE WITH THIS, AND JOHN'S GOING TO TOUCH ON SOME LEVEL OF THE ACCOLADES THAT THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND RECEIVES AND WE RECEIVE A LOT OF THEM.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU LAST WEEK, WALLETHUB.COM RANKED FLOWER MOUND IN A 93RD PERCENTILE OF SMALL CITIES IN THE ENTIRE NATION, AND THOSE ARE CITIES UNDER 100,000 PEOPLE, AND WE'RE THE FOURTH-RANKED CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THE REASON I SHARE THAT IS THAT THAT SHOWS WE MAKE THESE LISTS FOR A REASON.
I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE WE STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN A COMPETITIVE TAX RATE AND HIGH-QUALITY SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED.
OBVIOUSLY, WITH THIS ONGOING CONVERSATION, WE HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THE FOREFRONT AND MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO STAY UNDER THAT 3.5%, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION ABOUT SERVICE LEVELS.
WHAT ARE WE NOT GOING TO FUND? WHAT CAN WE DO WITHOUT VERSUS IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO EXCEED THAT 3.5%? JOHN IS GOING TO SET THE TABLE TODAY, GIVE YOU SOME BASELINE INFORMATION.
ALSO IN HIS PRESENTATION, HE'S GOING TO LAY OUT THE TIME FRAME AND WHAT YOU CAN ANTICIPATE AS FAR AS FUTURE DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR DEPARTMENT OF LEADERS.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JOHN.
>> THANK YOU, JAMES. MAYOR COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT TONIGHT.
WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS? THE COST OF SERVICES ARE INCREASING FASTER THAN OUR LEGAL AUTHORITY TO RAISE REVENUES.
NOT TO THE GROWTH OF SERVICES, BUT DUE TO THE INFLATIONARY COST OF PROVIDING OUR CURRENT SERVICES.
THE PAST FISCAL YEAR, ONLY TWO DECISION PACKAGES WERE FUNDED OUR PD WEBSITE AND PARKS TRAINING.
THIS IS AN INTENTIONAL ACT BY THE LEGISLATURE.
THIS IS HONESTLY WHAT THEY WANT BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY SET A LOWER THRESHOLD FOR US TO GO OUT TO THE VOTERS.
IN SOME POINT, THEY'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT AFTER A CERTAIN SPENDING POINT, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS AND YOU HAVE TO DO THIS.
THE INTENTION WAS THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, AND ACTUALLY ONLY HAPPENED TO A FEW CITIES.
THEY'VE ACTUALLY HELD A VADER ELECTION EVERY TWO YEARS SINCE SB2 PASSED.
THEY'VE HELD ONE BASICALLY ON A TWO-YEAR CYCLE, AND THEY'VE STARTED THAT ROTATION.
THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN ONES THAT HAVE ACTUALLY USED AVIATOR ELECTION, AND IT'S FUNNY HOW THOSE TWO DIFFERENT CITIES GET LOOKED AT BY THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE AUSTIN GETS BASHED ON A WHOLE BUNCH FOR BEING ZUBERNT, RAISING THEIR PROPERTY TAX RATE 24% AND MASQUITES GETS PATTED ON THE BACK AND SAYS, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BRING SPENDING DECISIONS TO YOUR RESIDENTS ON ALMOST ANNUAL BASIS BECAUSE IT ALLEVIATES THE STATE LEGISLATURE FROM HAVING TO SAY THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES AND IT GAVE ALL OF THE VOTERS A CHOICE.
AS A RESULT OF THIS, WE WILL NEED TO SEEK AUTHORIZATION AND FIRST FROM COUNCIL AND THEN FROM THE PUBLIC TO INCREASE REVENUES.
THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, IS THE VALUE OF WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY THE INCREASE IN TAXES?
>> WHAT IS VALUE? I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE METAL ON YOU GUYS AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE HONORS COLLEGE KID IN ME, POPS OUT AND WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THINGS FROM A VERY HIGH AND ASTUTE LEVEL.
BUT THE BIGGEST THING THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS, WHAT DO WE MEAN BY VALUE? WHAT IS MEANT BY ALL OF THIS? VALUE CAN UNDERSTAND FROM A NUMBER OF LEVELS, BUT UTILITY, SOCIAL, PERSONAL BELIEF, MONETARY WORTH.
THESE ARE JUST LENSES THAT WE CAN LOOK AT TO UNDERSTAND VALUE.
EXTERNAL VALUE. THESE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT PLACES THAT HAVE RANKED US AND VERY HIGHLY FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT NONE OF THEM WE SUBMITTED FOR.
WE DIDN'T CHASE THESE RANKINGS, WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
THIS IS PEOPLE RECOGNIZING YOUR VALUE WITHOUT YOU PRODDING THEM TO YOU OR ASKING YOU HOW GOOD YOU ARE, ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THIS.
THEY DO THESE VALUES BECAUSE PEOPLE GO LOOK AT THEM.
SPECIFICALLY, US NEWS WORLD REPORTS, ONE OF THE MOST HIGHLY REFERRED TO, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT COLLEGES OR WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PLACES TO LIVE OR YOU'RE LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS.
THESE ARE ONES THAT PEOPLE PUT OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW HOW THEIR AREAS RANK AGAINST OTHER PLACES.
THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF EXTERNAL VALUE.
WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL SURVEY IN 2025, YOU CAN SEE HOW WE RANK THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR SERVICES.
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WHAT'S THE HIGHEST? SAFETY IS THE HIGHEST.THIS GOES INTO SOME MASLOW'S HIERARCHY OF NEEDS, WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE? SAFETY IS USUALLY THE LARGEST ONE.
BUT INTERESTING ENOUGH, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S EXACTLY HOW WE BUDGET.
PUBLIC WORKS IS REALLY HIGH ON THERE BECAUSE IT'S HIGH CAPITAL INVESTMENT.
PARKS AND RECREATION LOOKS REALLY HIGH ON THE HERE NOW BECAUSE I GET ANOTHER HIGH CAPITAL YEAR FOR US, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR BUDGET. PUBLIC SAFETY.
PUBLIC SAFETY IS VERY CLOSE TO PUBLIC WORKS, AS YOU SAW ON THE PREVIOUS CHARTS, ARTS SAFETY AND UTILITIES ARE ACTUALLY TO THE HIGHEST AND IS PRIORITY FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTS, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, AND LIBRARY SERVICES ARE SOME OF THE LOWEST COSTS OF SERVICES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET.
THIS IS A GOOD CHART THAT SHOWS YOU THAT WE ARE MEETING THE PRIORITIES THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE LAID OUT FOR US.
WHY I CALL THIS A SOCIAL ONE AND NOT A PERSONAL ONE IS BECAUSE IT'S A MEASUREMENT OVER THREE DIFFERENT YEARS.
ASSUMING THAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE LIKE FILL OUT THIS SURVEY, OVERALL, THIS SO REPRESENTS A SOCIAL PERCEIVED VALUE OF SERVICE.
IF THIS WAS YOUR REPORT CARD, YOU'D BE VERY PROUD.
YOU'D BE PROBABLY PUTTING THE HONORS ROLE STUDENT ON THE BACK OF BUMPERS OR YOUR CAR, YOU'D BE SINGING ALL THEIR PRAISES.
THIS IS SAYING WE'RE DOING EXCELLENCE, AND THAT OUR RESIDENTS IN PARTICULAR THINK THAT WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.
PERSONAL PERCEPTION OF VALUES. THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL.
THIS IS ASKING PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR INDIVIDUAL CHOICES THIS YEAR, AND THIS ONE SAID, WHAT'S YOUR PERSONAL PERCEPTION OF THE VALUE OF SERVICES YOU RECEIVED? THE ONES OF STARS BY THE AM ARE HIGH THAN THE NATIONAL BENCH MARK.
IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE, WE ACTUALLY RANK HIGHER.
83 WERE ACTUALLY HIGHER, 38 WERE SIMILAR AND ONLY ONE WAS LOWER.
LET'S REALLY TALK ABOUT THE VALUE THAT MOST PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK OF.
FISCAL VALUE. HOW DO YOU COMPARE CITIES IS NOT AS EASY AS PEOPLE THINK, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF LENSES YOU CAN COMPARE THESE TO.
THIS IS DATA ANALYSIS THAT I'VE DONE BY PULLING INFORMATION FROM THE 2024 ACFR AND THE CONTINUING DISCLOSURES OF ALL OUR COMPARATIVE CITIES.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT. I'VE SHOWN THIS TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DID WITH THE HELP OF STRATEGIC SERVICES PULLING INFORMATION THAT INCLUDES THE TOTAL GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURES BY FUNCTION, THEIR POPULATION, THEIR ACREAGE, EMPLOYEE COUNT, AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE, TAX RATE, AND RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL TAXABLE VALUE.
ALL THIS INFORMATION IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.
THERE'S NOT MANY DATABASES THAT YOU CAN GO PULL ALL THIS INFORMATION ACROSS, EXCEPT FOR EMMA, AND SO THIS IS HOW I'M PULLING THE INFORMATION.
THIS IS A GOOD MEASUREMENT BASED ON YOUR LAND AREA AND HOW MUCH YOU'RE CHARGING.
IF ONE PLACE WAS MUCH LARGER THAN THE OTHER, THEY'RE PROBABLY CHARGING TOO MUCH FOR A SERVICE ON A PER ACRE BASIS.
BUT YOU CAN SEE FLOWER MOUND IS PROBABLY AT THE LOWEST OF THIS.
IF WE WERE OVER ENCUMBRANCE OF SERVICES, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY SEE IT START RISING TO THE TOP.
THIS IS JUST ONE VALUE, IT'S JUST A PER ACREAGE.
THIS IS TAKING THE TOTAL COST OF GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES FROM THEIR STATEMENT OF ACTIVITY, DIVIDING IT BY THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ACRES THAT WE HAVE, AND JUST COMPARING IT.
WHAT'S THE COST PER RESIDENT PER MONTH? THIS IS YOUR TOTAL COST OF SERVICE.
THIS IS DIVIDED BY THE TOTAL NUMBER OF RESIDENTS.
AGAIN, THE FLOWER MOUND IS RANKING TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OR BOTTOM OF THESE AS WELL.
AGAIN, THESE ARE DIFFERENT LENSES.
NONE OF THESE ARE GOING TO TELL YOU EXACTLY THESE ARE JUST DIFFERENT WAYS.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON A POPULATION BASIS, THE PER RESIDENT PER MONTH.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON A ROOFTOP BASIS, THE PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH.
WHAT I WILL ACTUALLY DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO AND EVEN IN THE PAST ONE, GRAPEVINE IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST ONES IN ALL OF THESE.
WATCH THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING WHEN WE GET TO SOME OF THESE NEXT SLIDES.
WE SHOW THE COST OF SERVICE, BUT WHAT DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY PAY FOR THAT SERVICE? THAT'S THE OTHER THING YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
THIS IS LOOKING AT THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE OF A HOMESTEADED RESIDENT, THEIR TAX RATE AND MULTIPLYING THAT OUT TO GET THEIR TAX BILL AND THEN COMPARING IT ACROSS.
IF YOU WANTED TO LIVE IN ANY OTHER CITY THERE BASED ON THEIR AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE OF ONE OF THEIR HOMES, THIS IS COMPARATIVELY WHAT YOU WOULD PAY.
THIS IS NOT SAYING A $500,000 HOME IN EACH OF THESE PLACES. LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
THIS IS BASED ON THEIR TAX RATE AND IT'S ASSUMING YOU MOVE TO AN AVERAGE VALUE HOME IN THOSE CITIES, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD PAY.
AGAIN, FLOWER MOUND IS TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THIS LIST.
THERE'S A DIFFERENT NUMBER OF THINGS THAT CAN AFFECT THIS.
THE BIGGEST ONE THAT YOU MIGHT NOT THINK ABOUT IS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS YOUR TAX RATE, BUT THE TAXABLE VALUE OF THE HOME.
SOUTH LAKE IN PARTICULAR, HIGHLAND VILLAGE, SOME OF THOSE PLACES, FRISCO, ALL OF THOSE HAVE HIGHER TAXABLE VALUES AND THEIR TAX RATES ARE COMPARABLE IN SOME WAYS STARS.
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THIS IS JUST ANOTHER GOOD ONE TO SAY, IF YOU MOVED AND YOU WANTED TO GO FOR A DIFFERENT BASKET OF SERVICE, WHAT WOULD YOU PAY? THIS IS A CHART THAT I THOUGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL COST OF SERVICE PER HOUSEHOLD VERSUS THE PRICE IT'S PAID PER MONTH ON YOUR AVERAGE TAX BILL.I'M GOING TO CALL YOU SOMETHING THE BIGGER THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO BARS, THE LESS THAT BASICALLY PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR THE COST OF THEIR SERVICE.
GRAPEVINE HAS CLEARLY THE HIGHEST COST OF SERVICE, BUT THE RESIDENTS PAY THE.
IT'S VERY INTERESTING AND WE'LL GO INTO WHY VERY SOON.
BUT YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THESE BARS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF VARIATION.
GRAPEVINE IS A VERY, VERY WEIRD ONE HERE AND HIGHLAND VILLAGE IS PROBABLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SCALE.
AGAIN, THIS IS BEING RANKED BY YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL.
THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGE OF SERVICES PAID BY RESIDENTS.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF SERVICES ARE THE RESIDENTS ACTUALLY PAYING? I FIND THIS ONE VERY INTERESTING TOO, BUT AGAIN, I'LL CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO FLOWER MOUND IS ON THE HIGHEST END.
THIS IS THE ONLY CHART THAT WE ARE ON THE HIGH END FOR.
THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR IT, AND EXPLAIN IT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
BUT REALITY, THERE'S TWO OUTLIERS HERE, HIGHLAND VILLAGE AND GRAPEVINE.
IN REALITY, EVERYBODY ELSE GETS REALLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
THAT SHOULD TELL YOU THAT THE STANDARD PRICE OF SERVICES AND HOW MUCH YOU CHARGE YOUR RESIDENTS, AND EVEN IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT CITIES, YOU CAN LOOK AT FRISCO, KELLER, ALLEN, DENTON, COLLEYVILLE.
ALL THESE PLACES, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR OVERALL AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF SERVICES THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAYING FOR.
THIS TELLS YOU THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO TO MITIGATE OR CHANGE THIS, TO BASICALLY HAVE SOMEONE PAY A LOWER TAX BILL.
I'LL BE AS CLEAR AS I CAN ON THIS.
ALL OF THIS IS PERCENTAGES IN PROPORTIONS.
THE FIRST ORANGE BAR, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYTHING IS RANK ORDER BY IS THE PROPORTION OF RESIDENTS OR A PROPERTY TAX VALUE.
HOW RESIDENTIALLY DEPENDENT ARE YOU? THIS IS A GOOD ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT YOUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX BASE.
THE HIGHER YOU ARE ON THIS, THE LARGER YOUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX BASE AS A PART OF YOUR TOTAL PROPERTY TAX VALUE. AGAIN, THIS COMES FROM ALLEN.
AGAIN, HIGHLAND VILLAGE, THEY PAY THE MOST, BUT THEY'RE THE MOST RESIDENTIALLY DENSE.
THAT'S A GOOD WAY OF SHOWING IT, AND SALES TAX IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE LOWEST ON THERE AS A PROPORTION OF TOTAL REVENUE.
YOUR BLUE BAR IS YOUR PROPERTY TAX VERSUS YOUR TOTAL REVENUE.
HOW DEPENDENT ARE THEY ON PROPERTY TAX? HOW DIVERSE ARE THEIR REVENUE STREAMS? THAT'S WHAT THAT BLUE BAR REPRESENTS.
AGAIN, THERE'S NOT A CRAZY AMOUNT OF VARIANCE YOU SEE HERE.
CITIES THAT DO WELL ON THIS IS WHEN THEY CAN BALANCE THIS BLUE BAR AGAINST THE GREEN BAR.
SALES TAX VERSUS TOTAL REVENUE.
WHEN YOUR BLUE BAR AND YOUR GREEN BAR ABOUT PROPORTION, THIS TELLS YOU YOU'RE AS DEPENDENT ON PROPERTY TAX AS YOU WOULD BE ON SALES TAX.
NOW, AGAIN, ALL THIS VARIATION AND CHANGE IN REALITY, IT DIDN'T RESULT IN VERY MUCH VARIATION ON HOW MUCH SOMEONE ACTUALLY PROPORTIONALLY PAYS FOR SERVICE.
ONLY ONES THAT IT'S REALLY REALLY DIFFERENT IS HIGHLAND VILLAGE, WHO IS HIGHLY RESIDENTIALLY DEPENDENT, AND THEN GRAPEVINE, WHO'S NOT.
GRAPEVINE, THEIR PROPERTY TAX IS NOT THEIR LEADING REVENUE SOURCE.
SALES TAX OUTPACES IT QUITE A BIT, DOUBLES IT.
THEY HAVE A VERY VERY LARGE SALES TAX BASE AND THEY HAVE A VERY LOW RESIDENTIAL BASE TOO.
THAT'S TO SAY IS THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE.
WHEN SOMEONE SAYS THEY WANT TO PAY LESS FOR SERVICES, THERE'S NOT A MAGIC BULLET.
THERE'S NOT POPPING UP WAREHOUSES OR BOOSTING SALES TAX OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THIS TO MOVE THE DIAL ON THIS, YOU HAVE TO MOVE YOUR ENTIRE BASE.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ONES WHERE IT TAKES MULTIPLE YEARS AND MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS TO DO SO, BUT IT ALSO TAKES COMMITTING TO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THIS SLIDE YOU CAN TAKE A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM.
YOU CAN USE DATA IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO TAKE A NUMBER OF PERSPECTIVES OUT OF THIS.
THE BIGGEST ONE THAT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM THIS IS THAT, THE THING THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IS DECREASING LIKE OUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX DEPENDENCE AND BALANCING OUT SALES TAX AND PROPERTY TAX ACT SO THAT IF ONE AREA IS EVER HIT, YOU'RE RELATIVELY BALANCED.
IF YOU LOOK AT US 10 YEARS AGO, OR EVEN 20 YEARS AGO, WE HAD 1% OF SALES TAXES ARE TOLL REVENUE SOURCE.
WE'RE GETTING THERE, WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS, AND THE TOWN IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION HERE.
FLY AMOUNT IS MOVING THE RIGHT WAY.
WE LOOK VERY GOOD NOW COMPARED TO WHERE WE'VE COME FROM.
HOW DOES OUR SPENDING COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES? THIS IS WHEN WE GET INTO MEASURING EFFICIENCY.
THIS IS THE COST PER EMPLOYEE, THIS IS TOTAL EXPENSES DIVIDED BY THEIR EMPLOYEE COUNT, AND THIS LOOKS AT WHAT THOSE CITIES ARE SPENDING.
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NOW, INTERESTING ENOUGH, WHY GRAPEVINE SPENDS THE MOST PER EMPLOYEE IS BECAUSE THEY CONTRACT OUT A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF SERVICES.THEIR EMPLOYEE BASE IS ACTUALLY REALLY SMALL, BUT THE COST OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAYING OUTSIDE SERVICES IS THERE'S A COST TO THAT, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY'RE SO HIGH UP THERE.
THEY UTILIZE POLICE SERVICES, THEY UTILIZE OUR POLICE SERVICES.
THEY UTILIZE EVERYONE, THEY PAY THOSE POLICE THROUGH THEIR OVERTIME RATES, BUT HAVING THAT LOW EMPLOYEE HEADCOUNT PUMPS THEM UP ON THIS SCALE.
AS MUCH AS THE EFFICIENCY, THERE IS SOME THINGS THAT CAN MOVE PEOPLE ON THIS.
BUT OVERALL, WE'RE ONE OF THE MOST EFFICIENT CITIES ON HERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS.
I WOULD ASK, IS THERE ANY CITY THAT'S BELOW US ON THIS THING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO MOVE YOUR HOUSE TO, TO RECEIVE THOSE SAME SERVICES? PUBLIC SAFETY IS ONE OF THE EASIER AREAS TO COMPARE BECAUSE AS STANDARD AS THE ACPA IS.
ONE OF THE FEW WHAT WE CALL APARTMENTS OR FUNCTIONAL AREAS CAN VARY A LOT, BUT PUBLIC SAFETY STAYS THE SAME.
IF YOU WANT A TRUE COST OF HOW WE'RE DOING ON A PER PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEE BASIS, IS FLOWER MOUND IS THE SECOND LOWEST? ALL OF THIS IS TO SAY, THIS WOULD BE MY OPENING SALVO.
O2Y. SECOND. SORRY. THIS IS MY SHOT ACROSS THE BALL A LITTLE BIT OF HOW EFFICIENT ARE, HOW EFFECTIVE WE ARE DOING OUR JOBS? HOW MUCH DOES IT REALLY COMPARE? WHERE COULD YOU ACTUALLY GO TO PAY LESS IN PROPERTY TAXES, AND HOW MUCH ARE YOU PAYING FOR SERVICES AND WHY WOULD YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL BE LOWER? THESE ARE THE CITIES THAT WE COMPARE OURSELVES TO FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, AND OVERALL WE'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB WHEN WE MEASURE OURSELVES AGAINST OTHERS.
I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU WHAT IS COMING NEXT.
WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON ESTABLISHING A SERVICE LEVEL EXPECTATION.
THIS WILL HELP US AT OUR BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR BY, THIS IS GOING TO PROVIDE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT OUR DEPARTMENTS DO.
I WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND THE DEMAND FOR SERVICE.
WE'RE GOING TO QUANTIFY AS MUCH AS WE CAN, HOW MUCH RESIDENTS ARE UTILIZING OUR SERVICE OR DEMANDING OUR SERVICE, OR WHAT WE ARE DOING THAT IS DRIVING OUR SERVICE.
NEXT IS THE INTRICACIES OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE.
UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S MAKING THINGS GO UP AND DOWN.
ON WHAT'S HAPPENING, HOW BROAD SOME SURFACES ARE ARE AND HOW CERTAIN AREAS OF SERVICE, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE FOR POLICE, BASICALLY THE SWORN OFFICERS VERSUS THE NON SWORN EMPLOYEES, AND WHAT THAT DOES AND WHY YOU NEED THE RATIO THAT WE HAVE.
THAT'S A GOOD ONE ABOUT THE INTRICACIES OF PROVIDING THAT SURFACE BECAUSE IT'S A BALANCE BETWEEN HOW MANY OFFICERS YOU HAVE ON THE STREET AND THE ADMINS THAT YOU HAVE, AND HOW THEY HELP BALANCE THAT OUT.
THE SAME THING COULD BE SAID FOR YOUR FLEET GUYS OF A PART SUPPORTER VERSUS THE MECHANIC TURNING THE WRENCH.
THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
LASTLY IS UNDERSTANDING THE IMPLICATIONS OF OUR CURRENT UNFUNDED DECISION PACKAGES.
WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR WHEN WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FUND THOSE THINGS? WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS IF WE GO ANOTHER YEAR WITHOUT DOING THOSE THINGS? HELPING YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT'S AT STAKE WITH THE COST OF THESE SERVICES.
>> IF I COULD INTERJECT HERE, IT GOES BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD EARLIER ABOUT THE ART CENTER MANAGER POSITION.
THE DECISION PACKAGES AREN'T A WISH LIST IN THE TRUEST SENSE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I STRESSED WHEN I CAME ON BOARD HERE AS I ENCOURAGE THE DEPARTMENTS TO PUT THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED OUT THERE, JUST SO WE HAVE A RUNNING INVENTORY, THOSE THINGS THAT YOU NEED.
I THINK THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND THE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO LAY THIS OUT.
I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO DO IT TONIGHT, IS THAT THERE'S AN IMPLICATION.
THERE'S A CERTAIN POINT WHERE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY HOW TO FUND THIS POSITION.
OUR CENTER MANAGERS ONE IN PARTICULAR.
HE ALLUDED TO ONE THAT CHIEF KUAN WILL TALK ABOUT IN HIS PRESENTATION IN A WEEK OR SO.
THAT'S THE IDEA THAT IF YOU DON'T FUND CERTAIN ADMIN POSITIONS, GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE TAKING A GUN IN A BADGE AND HAVING THEM DO THAT POSITION.
YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY MOVING FURTHER BACKWARDS IF YOU DON'T FUND CERTAIN SUPPORT POSITIONS.
THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND AS WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN A DIRECTION AND NOT FULLY ARTICULATE THE IMPACT IF WE GO A CERTAIN DIRECTION OR NOT.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE JUST TALK ABOUT THESE UNFUNDED ITEMS. SOME OF THESE THINGS WE CAN PUSH OUT, SOME OF THEM WE CAN'T, AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GIVE YOU THE CLEAREST PICTURE AS POSSIBLE, AS THE ONES THAT WE CAN PUSH VERSUS THE ONES THAT WE HAVE TO FUND.
>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE HAVE A BUSY SCHEDULE COMING UP FOR ESTABLISHING THESE SERVICE LEVEL EXPECTATIONS.
THIS IS OUR INTRODUCTION ON OCTOBER 16, WILL HAVE THE POLICE, OCTOBER 20, WE'LL HAVE UTILITIES.
NOVEMBER 3, WILL HAVE LIBRARY SERVICES, NOVEMBER 17 WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC WORKS.
THIS IS MAINLY THE STREETS DIVISION, NOVEMBER 20, PARKS AND RECREATION, DECEMBER 1, DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING, DECEMBER 15, FLEET ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, DECEMBER 18 FIRE AND EMS. IN JANUARY, WE'RE GOING TO DO A REVENUE REVIEW, BUT SPECIFICALLY WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH YOU ON WHAT'S CALLED A COST RECOVERY POLICY.
THIS IS WHERE YOU GO AND SET A THRESHOLD OF,
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WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO RECUPERATE IN COST? WHEN ANIMAL SERVICES IN THE IMPOUND FEE, WHAT OVERHEAD ARE YOU WANTING TO RECOVER 10%, 20%, 30%? UNDERSTANDING WHAT PERCENT YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT, THAT WILL DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE CHARGE FOR THOSE THINGS.THIS ACTUALLY PROTECTS YOU FROM LITIGATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOU SAYING WE'RE SETTING THIS FEE, IT'S SAYING WE BELIEVE THAT THIS FEE SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZED THIS AMOUNT AND THE REST OF IT SHOULD BE RECUPERATED THROUGH FEES OR THINGS LIKE THAT, SAME THING, SENIOR CENTER OR ANY OTHER AREA.
>> IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T ACCELERATE THAT PRESENTATION BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE MISSING OUT ON THREE MONTHS OF RUNNING START IF WE WAIT TILL JANUARY FOR THAT CONVERSATION.
>> THE REASON WHY IS, REVENUES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME NEXT AND REVENUES ALL AT ONCE.
I DON'T WANT TO DISTRACT FROM ANY OF THESE OTHER CONVERSATIONS.
I'M TRYING TO BREAK OUT EXPENSES FROM REVENUES AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE MAY BE LEAVING OUT ON REVENUE FEES IN THE SHORT TERM, BUT IN THE LONG TERM, THIS MAY BE A BIGGER ISSUE THAN WE THINK IT IS, AND I WANT TO LEAVE IT.
>> I THINK WE KNOW IT'S A BIG ISSUE, LIKE A VERY BIG ISSUE.
>> QUESTION ON THIS, JOHN, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, CHRIS HAD BROUGHT UP THE EXTENDING ASSET LIFESPAN.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.
SHOULDN'T THAT BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION AS WELL?
>> WE'LL COVER A LITTLE BIT OF THIS WITH PUBLIC WORKS UTILITIES.
BUT IF WE WANT A SPECIFIC ONE ON EXTENDING THE USEFUL LIFE OF ASSETS, WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE.
WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THAT WITH FLEET.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HEAVILY FOCUSED ON, BUT IT'S JUST A PART OF EACH OF THOSE OPERATIONS.
CERTAIN DIVISIONS ARE DONE IT.
CIP IS THE BIG ONE THAT IT DOES AT PUBLIC WORKS IS ALSO ANOTHER ONE ABOUT EXTENDING USEFUL LIFE ASSETS.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS EXPECTING WITHIN ALL THESE DISCUSSING HOW THEY'RE PRESERVING.
>> IT'LL BE A COMPONENT OF EACH ONE OF THESE PRESENT.
>> SOME OF THESE WILL FOCUS REAL HEAVILY ON IT.
SPECIFICALLY PUBLIC WORKS, WHERE STREETS AND THE UTILITY SIDE, THOSE WILL HEAVILY FOCUS ON WHAT ACTIVITIES WE DO AND HOW THAT HELPS TO BASICALLY EXTEND THE LIFE OF AMERICA.
>> ONE THING I'LL ADD IS THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT DIRECTION AND REMIND YOU THAT THE UTILITY FUND, THAT ONE POSITION THAT WE DID AT WAS THAT ASSET MANAGEMENT ANALYST.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING THAT, BRINGING THAT PERSON ON BOARD, GETTING THEM UP TO SPEED.
I WOULD IMAGINE ONCE WE GET IN THAT POSITION, WE COULD HAVE A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT, AND ULTIMATELY WHAT WE STAND TO GAIN WITH HAVING THIS INDIVIDUAL ON BOARD.
IF I COULD HAZARD A GUESS, I THINK THAT SOMETIME IN THE WINTER AFTER JANUARY, WE'LL PROBABLY BE IN A POSITION TO START HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.
WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY TRACKING JUST FIGURING OUT HOW YOU MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS AND ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO NOW TO HELP TO SAVE MONEY IN THE BACK IN.
WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ON THAT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND ALLOWING US TO PUT THAT POSITION IN AND PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION TO TRACK THOSE ASSETS.
>> COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> JOHN, FIRST OF ALL I JUST SAY I'M GOING TO BE HARD TO CONVINCE.
BUT I PROMISE TO REMAIN OPEN MINDED.
WHEN DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION? OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT OUR REVENUES ARE BEFORE WE CAN DECIDE IF THE 3.5% IS NOT GOING TO MEET OUR NEEDS.
WHEN IS THIS DECISION ULTIMATELY HAVE TO BE MADE BY?
>> SURE. I WILL TELL YOU THE LEGISLATURE DID YOU NO FAVORS HERE.
THE LAST DAY TO CALL IT IS THE FIRST OR SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CALL FOR THE ELECTION.
BUT TO BASICALLY CALL FOR AN ELECTION TO ADOPT A BUDGET AND DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY PUT YOUR BUDGET DEADLINE A MONTH BACK FROM THERE.
WE'D BE STARTING IN JULY WITHOUT HAVING OUR CERTIFIED ROLES.
BY THAT TIME, WE WILL BE ESTIMATING A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THOSE REVENUE AND THE IMPACT OF IT IS.
OFF ITS TOP, I CAN ALWAYS TELL YOU THAT 3.5% EQUALS $1.7 MILLION FOR US.
IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT EXCEED $1.7 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND, THEN YES, IT'S GOING TO NECESSITATE THE NEED FOR THAT.
SOME OF THIS WE CAN WE WON'T KNOW EXACT NUMBERS I CAN'T GET TO EXACT ON SOME OF IT, BUT SOME OF IT, YES, I CAN GIVE YOU A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AND IF YOU WANT MORE THAN THAT MUCH AT ITEMS, AT THAT POINT, WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT DOING THAT OR FIND OTHER CUTS.
>> WHAT PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE DO YOU ANTICIPATE WE WILL BE ASKING FOR?
>> HOW THEY CALCULATE THAT NUMBER AND HOW I CALCULATE THE NUMBER IS DIFFERENCE.
HOW THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO CALCULATE IT IS THE NET INCREASE TO YOUR OPERATING PROPERTY TAX RATE.
THEY'LL SAY THAT BECAUSE IF YOU DIVIDE IT BY A SMALLER NUMBER, IT LOOKS A LOT BIGGER.
MOST PLACES ARE HAVING TO ADVERTISE LIKE A 20% INCREASE OR A 30% INCREASE.
IN REALITY, THEIR TAX RATE MAY ONLY GO UP A TOTAL OF LESS THAN 10%.
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MY ESTIMATE IN REALITY.>> TEN PERCENT WOULD BE A LOT. THAT'S A LOT.
>> NO, IT IS BUT THERE'S ITEMS ON HERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGE CAPITAL ITEMS. IF WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT IN THE CALCULATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY COULD GO OVER $0.05 IN CAPITAL COSTS ALONE.
THAT'S SOME OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THERE'S BIG ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
SOME OF THOSE COULD PUSH THOSE THINGS UP.
THAT ALONE COULD PUSH THAT DECISION UP, BUT ON AVERAGE PEOPLE PER YEAR, WE NEED AT LEAST $0.02 A YEAR TO PAY FOR JUST PERSONNEL COST, INCREASED MARKETS, MERITS, IT'S MEETING THE JUST STAY MARKET COMPETITIVE.
THAT'S BEFORE YOU ADD OR DO ANY OTHER POSITIONS.
THAT'S TWO PENNIES WORTH OF REVENUE.
THAT'S PROPORTIONATELY WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
>> WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A BUDGET THAT'S WITH THE CURRENT VOTER APPROVAL RATE AS THE MAX, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER BUDGET THAT'S GOING TO HAVE WHATEVER WE THINK WE WANT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DRAW THAT LINE SOMEWHERE OF WHERE WE WANT TO PULL INTO A VADER AND WHAT IS OUTSIDE THAT LINE.
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PROCESS.
WE'LL BE HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT DECISION PACKAGE ITEMS ARE BELOW WHICH LINE?
IT WILL JUST BE A LINE THAT WE START STACKING AND THINGS.
WHAT MAKES THIS MORE CHALLENGING IS PROPER TAXES AN EARLY REVENUE SOURCE.
SALES TAX IS A HUGE COMPONENTS.
THE OTHER THING THAT MAKES IT TRICKY IS PROPERTY VALUES DECREASE, AND THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED TWO YEARS IN A ROW, BUT I ANTICIPATE WE'RE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER YEAR OF DECREASES.
WE HAD TO FACTOR SOME OF THAT IN, WHICH EVEN MAKES THIS EVEN MORE A LITTLE SKETCHY BECAUSE IF OUR VALUES FALL ANYWHERE BELOW 3.5%, THEN THE PERCENT INCREASE THAT YOU'RE DOING, IT MAKES THE MATH WEIRD.
YOU MIGHT EVEN HAVE TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE, BUT OVERALL, YOU MIGHT NOT BRING IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE AS YOU DID THE PRIOR YEAR, AND YOU COULD ADOPT IT WITHOUT EVER GOING OUT TO THE VOTERS.
THAT'S WHY I SAID THIS IS MULTIPLE SHADES OF COMPLICATED.
>> THE ONE THING I'LL JUST ADD IS THAT JOHN TOUCHED ON IT.
WE JUST KNOW THAT IN A SENSE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE COMING, MARKETS MERIT, SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BAKED IN.
THE REASON WHY WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS EARLY IS TO START SETTING ALL UP, TO BE IN A POSITION TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTION IN REGARDS TO ULTIMATELY, IT'S A POLICY DECISION.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING AS A MANAGER, IF YOU TELL ME TO JUST, WELL, WE WANT TO STAY AT A CERTAIN RATE AND EFFECTIVELY, YOU'RE GIVING ME THE POLICY POWERS TO MAKE DECISIONS ON SERVICE LEVEL.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING THAT COMING INTO THIS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE STILL AFTER CONTROLS AND MAKING THAT DECISION.
THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S NOT A RIGHT OR WRONG DECISION.
IF WE ULTIMATELY SAY, WE'RE WILLING TO DO WITHOUT THIS, THIS THAT AND THE OTHER, THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S A POLICY DECISION AND WE JUST DO IT AND WE MAKE THROUGH.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO KNOW AND JUST IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER AND THE THINGS I JUST ULTIMATELY SAID WHEN I HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A CITY MANAGER, I'M A GUARD AGAINST.
I DON'T LIKE PLAYING GAMES WITH PEOPLE.
I DON'T LIKE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE SAID, LOOK HOW EFFICIENT WE ARE, AND THEN FIVE YEARS LATER, I HAD TO GROW A BUDGET TO FIX WHAT WAS PUT IN PLACE.
I JUST DON'T LIKE PLAYING GAMES.
I LIKE BEING HONEST. IF DECISION IS DECISION WILL DO IT WILL MAKE IT WORK.
GO INTO THIS, REALLY, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GOING IN THAT SPRING THAT YOU HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE LATER LEARN, YOU'VE ENGAGED THESE DIRECTORS, AND YOU HAVE A SENSE IN MY MIND.
I THINK WE CAN DO LESS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
NOW TO PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION BY NO MEANS, DO I WANT TO PUT YOU IN A POSITION IN MARCH OR APRIL, HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION ON VADER.
BUT AT LEAST WANT YOU TO BE EQUIPPED WITH ENOUGH INFORMATION AS WE GO FORWARD IN THE PROCESS AS HE'S ALLUDED TO, IS THAT I DON'T WANT TO MAYBE MAYBE NOT SO CLOSE TO THE EDGE, BECAUSE IF WE WANT TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION, AND WE'RE NOT PREPARED, WE'RE GOING TO BE BEHIND A BALL AND I DON'T LIKE SCRAMBLING, TRYING TO DO SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT.
AS WE GO INTO THE PROCESS, THE ONE THING I DON'T WANT COUNCIL TO FEEL IS IF YOUR ARMS BEING TWISTED AND YOU'RE BEING FORCED DOWN THE PATH.
RATHER, I WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE I'M EQUIPPED WITH AMPLE INFORMATION AND I KNOW AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE WHATEVER DECISION I MAKE.
THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE ULTIMATELY WANT TO GO WITH THIS BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THE WAY THIS IS JUST CONSTRUCTED IS THAT, WELL, I GOT TO GET YOUR NAME AND YOU'RE TALKING JOHN AND MEG.
THEY GOT TO HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE THIS THING IS GOING.
BECAUSE IN ESSENCE, THAT'S WHY I WAS ALLUDING TO, YOU'RE BUILDING LIKE A BUDGET AND A HALF BECAUSE YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
THE WAY WE WOULD DO IT IS WE WOULD BUILD A BUDGET ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT VOTER APPROVAL RATE AND THEN WE WOULD WORK BASED UPON YOUR DIRECTION AND YOUR PRIORITIZATION AND SO ANYTHING THAT'S ABOVE THAT LINE AND I LOVE THE ANALOGY THAT YOU USE THAT LINE IS ULTIMATELY WHAT THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO DECIDE.
IT'S X AMOUNT OF POLICE OFFICERS.
THEY HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING IF THEY DO GO TO THE POLLS, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE VOTING FOR.
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IT'S NOT JUST SOME NEBULOUS NUMBER THAT'S OUT THERE.OUR INTENT IS FOR FOLKS TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING IF THEY APPROVE OR GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, AGAIN, I THINK THAT FEEDBACK IS AWFULLY IMPORTANT.
IF YOU NEED MORE, LET US KNOW.
IF YOU'RE LIKE JAMES, IT'S TOO MUCH, WE'LL EASE BACK OR CHANGE OUR APPROACH BUT THE KEY IS THAT WE'RE JUST IN A TOUGH SITUATION, AND I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO BE EQUIPPED TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE.
I'LL JUST STRESS TO EVERYBODY, AND I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE HAVE PERSPECTIVES ON EVERY PART OF THE SPECTRUM.
THERE'S NO RIGHT OR WRONG DECISION.
IT'S JUST A DECISION, AND WE JUST GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AS A COUNCIL UNDERSTAND IMPLICATIONS, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, OUR RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND IMPLICATIONS.
I THINK AT A CERTAIN POINT, EVEN IF WE DON'T DO A VADER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE TALKED TO JP AND STRATEGIC SERVICES ABOUT IS DOING A FLOW MOO CONVOS ABOUT THIS VALUE OF SERVICE COMPONENT.
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OUR RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THIS ISN'T JUST A SIMPLE TIGHT IN YOUR BELTS.
TRUST ME, I WOULD HAVE DONE IT IF IT THAT WAS SIMPLE.
I WOULD LOVE TO BE A HERO AND LOWER THE TAX RATE EVERY YEAR, RATE SERVICE LEVELS.
I WAS ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH THAT MY FIRST THREE YEARS HERE AND NOT SO MUCH THIS YEAR.
THIS IDEA THAT WE HAVE A ROOM WITH A BUNCH OF MONEY IN IT OR WE JUST HAVE A BUNCH OF PERSONNEL THAT DON'T DO ANYTHING, IT JUST SIMPLY NOT THE CASE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU WANT CERTAIN TAX RATE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPECT A CERTAIN SERVICE LEVEL AND IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT COOL, BUT IF WE'RE NOT, I JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU IN A POSITION WHERE THE TAX RATES AT THIS LEVEL AND I'M JUST GOING TO USE AN EXAMPLE, OUR LIBRARY SERVICE HOURS ARE CUT.
I SAID, WHAT YOU DO THAT FOR? WE WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE SERVICE LEVEL THAT WE ROSE AT.
BUT THE REALITY SITUATION IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO HIT PUBLIC SAFETY.
THAT'S JUST THE REALITY, YOU SAW HOW EVERYTHING WAS BROKEN OUT.
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU CAN'T DO THIS WITHOUT TOUCHING PUBLIC SAFETY.
THAT'S THE THING THAT Y'ALL AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND GOING TO TALK TO THE LEGISLATURE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND.
PROPORTIONALLY, PUBLIC SAFETY IS A MAJORITY OF OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
IF YOU EXPECT IT'S LIKE YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THESE DEEP CUTS IN A SMALL PROPORTION OF THAT BUDGET.
I'M GOING TO THE CHIEFS TALKING ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES.
I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW WE STAFF OUR EQUIPMENT IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OUR RESPONSE TIMES THERE.
THOSE IMPLICATIONS THAT WE WANT ALL TO FULLY UNDERSTAND AS WE'RE GOING TO THIS PROCESS.
I WENT A LITTLE LONG ON THAT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST A WHOLE IDEA.
I WANT YOU TO SEE THE TRAIN COMING FROM A FEW MILES AWAY.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO JUST GET RAN OVER IT IN AUGUST OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE IN.
WE JUST HAVE A SENSE JUST HOW THIS BUDGET YEAR WENT SHORT OF EVERYBODY GOING CRAZY, THIS CHRISTMAS AND SPRING AND SHOPPING FLOWER AMOUNT AND OUR SALES TAX RECEIPTS ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF.
I WOULD LOVE THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO COME AND SAY, HEY, SALES TAX IS CRAZY, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, AND I PROMISE I'LL BE QUIET.
THAT THE REALITY IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY INROADS ON OUR PROPERTY TAX BASE, WE ONLY HAVE TWO MONTHS LEFT.
IF NOTHING HAPPENS WITHIN THAT TWO MONTHS, WE CAN EXPECT WHERE WE WERE THIS YEAR.
AS YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND TOWN, BE IT TOOL DEVELOPMENT, DIXON ESTATES, WEYBURN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OCCUPIED PEOPLE IN THOSE HOMES.
THE REALITY SITUATION IS MORE LIKELY WE'RE LOOKING AT A VERY SIMILAR YEAR TO THIS YEAR.
THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING SHOWING, THERE'S NO DATA POINT THAT SAYS IT'S GOING TO BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS THIS PAST YEAR.
>> ONE OTHER THING I'LL ADD TO, JAMES, IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANT TO MAKE THE DECISION BEFORE THAT AUGUST DEADLINE OR BEFORE TO JULY AND THAT STANDPOINT IS OUR ABILITY TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC CHANGES AS SOON AS YOU CALL FOR THAT ELECTION.
IT CHANGES WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT WE CAN SAY, HOW WE CAN DO IT.
WE SAW THAT WITH THE BOND PROPOSITION AS WELL.
IF WE MAKE A DECISION EARLIER, HERE, IT GIVES US A LOT MORE TIME TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC AND START BUILDING AND TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS.
>> WON'T WE BE DOING THAT, JOHN, IN THESE PRESENTATIONS, BECAUSE IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, YOU'RE NOT ONLY EDUCATING US, BUT I ASSUME YOU'LL BE PUTTING THE MATERIALS OUT FOR THE PUBLIC TO CONSUME AS WELL.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE GOING TO RUN THIS LIKE WE DID THE BOND PROGRAM.
THIS WILL ALL BE BASIC BACK UP TO WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
>> THANK YOU, JOHN. NO ACTION FOR THAT.
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AND THE TOWN COUNCIL IS CONVENING INTO CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551, SECTION 071,072,074, AND 087.>> GOOD EVENING, FLOWER MOUND THE TIME IS NOW 9:51,
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AND THE TOWN COUNCIL IS RECONVENING INTO AN OPEN MEETING.[03:15:03]
THERE'S NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF THE CLOSED MEETING.AT THIS TIME, WE ARE ADJOURNED. GOOD NIGHT, FLOWER MOUND.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.