Jul 21, 2025 Town Council Archive

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GOOD EVENING. FLOWER MOUND. THE TIME IS NOW 6 P.M., AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER THIS DATE ON JULY 21ST,

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

YEAH. YOU READY TO DO THAT? YEAH. YOU READY? YEAH.

CHAPLAIN MIKE LYLES. YEAH. EVERYBODY CAN STAND.

REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGES. OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE DAY YOU BLESSED US WITH.

AND, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS YOU GIVE US DAILY TO SUSTAIN US AND GIVE US THE PRIVILEGE OF LIVING IN THIS BEAUTIFUL TOWN.

FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNCIL AND THE STAFF THAT WORK SO DILIGENTLY, DILIGENTLY TO MAKE OUR TOWN THE TOWN THAT IT IS, WHICH IS GREAT. AND, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BLESS HIM IN THEIR DECISION MAKING. BLESS THOSE THAT COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL TONIGHT.

BLESS THEM. AND MAY GOOD THINGS HAPPEN. CONTINUE TO HAPPEN FOR OUR TOWN.

FATHER, WE LOVE YOU AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE BOUNTY AND BLESSINGS YOU BESTOW ON US LIVING IN THIS GREAT STATE AND THIS GREAT COUNTRY.

WE'RE FOREVER THANKFUL AND WE WILL ALWAYS COME BEFORE YOUR THRONE EVERY DAY OF OUR LIVES.

THANKING YOU FOR BLESSINGS LIKE THIS. FATHER, WITH YOU, WE HAVE IT ALL.

WITHOUT YOU, WE HAVE NOTHING. SO WE CLING TO YOU, FATHER, EVERY DAY OF OUR LIVES.

BECAUSE YOU'RE OUR SOURCE OF STRENGTH AND WISDOM, FORGIVENESS AND AND MANY, MANY THINGS, FATHER.

AND WE SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THEM. FATHER.

BLESS THIS MEETING AND ALL THAT ARE PART OF IT. WE ASK IT IN JESUS NAME.

AMEN. AMEN.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. CHAPLAIN. SO THIS IS OUR TOWN SECRETARY'S FIRST MEETING, TRACI HENDERSON.

SO, TRACI, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS TONIGHT? NO. NO. MAYOR, WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HASN'T FILLED OUT A FORM? OKAY, WE HAVE NO TAKERS ON THAT. SO WE WILL MOVE TO ANNOUNCEMENTS.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS THEY WANT TO MAKE? NO ANNOUNCEMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO TOWN MANAGER'S REPORT, JAMES.

[F. TOWN MANAGER'S REPORT ]

SO, MARY, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS IN THE TOWN MANAGER'S REPORT.

WE WANT TO START OFF THAT WE HAVE SOME EMPLOYEE RECOGNITIONS.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, I HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ON INDEPENDENCE FEST, AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK ITEMS. SO, MARY, IF YOU CAN JOIN ME ON THE FLOOR.

SO I DON'T SEE A WIRELESS MIC. SO WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVISE TONIGHT.

SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE HAVEN'T BEEN TO OUR MEETINGS BEFORE, WE LIKE TO USE THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER'S REPORT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE REACHED CERTAIN SERVICE MILESTONES. TYPICALLY, IT'S 15 YEARS AND UP IN FIVE YEAR INCREMENTS.

AND WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE.

AND STARTING OFF, I'M ASKED JENNIFER ARNOLD TO COME JOIN US UP FRONT.

SO JENNIFER ARNOLD IS A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS SUPERVISOR, AND SHE WAS HIRED ON WITH THE TOWN AS A COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER ON JULY 12TH OF 2010.

SHE WAS PROMOTED TO COMMUNICATIONS SUPERVISOR ON JULY 19TH OF 2015, AND SHE HAD A TITLE CHANGE IN JUNE OF 2023 TO HER CURRENT TITLE, WHICH IS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATION SUPERVISOR.

AND SO WITH THESE, WE'D LIKE TO DO A FUN FACT AND THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WE LIKE TO DO A FUN FACT. AND I LIKE WHEN WE BRING SOME GOOD ONES UP HERE.

AND JENNIFER HAS AN INTERESTING ONE. DON'T. NO DON'T BE WORRIED.

SO JENNIFER USED TO WORK FOR A PYROTECHNICS TECHNICS COMPANY WHERE SHE WOULD SET UP LARGE FIREWORKS SHOWS.

THAT'S REALLY COOL. BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE IS LIKE, WHEN YOU GO TO FIREWORKS SHOW, DO YOU LIKE CRITIQUE IT? AND DO YOU LOOK AT ALL THE TECHNICAL PARTS OF IT?

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THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT UP WE'RE GOING TO ASK JULIET BHAMDEO TO TO JOIN US UP FRONT.

AND JULIET, I JUST REALIZED I'M HERE FOR YEARS I'VE NEVER SAID YOUR LAST NAME, SO I HAD TO PRACTICE.

JUST. JULIET, COME ON UP. AND SO JULIET IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT WITH OUR OUR IT DEPARTMENT.

SHE WAS HIRED ON AS A PART TIME ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY ON JULY 26TH OF 2010.

SHE WAS VERY CLOSE TO A FULL TIME ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY.

ON OCTOBER 11TH OF 2012, AND THEN RECLASSED HER CURRENT TITLE OF ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT IN APRIL OF 2016.

NOW JULIETTE HAS A COOL ONE. ESPECIALLY FOR ME.

I'M A 80S BABY, BUT JULIET MET ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER AT A WORK EVENT, AND NOW THIS IS PRIME ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER IN 1990S ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER.

SO AND SHE SAID SHE LATER RECEIVED A PHOTO OF THEIR MEETING AUTOGRAPHED WITH GOLD INK.

AND SHE SAID HE WAS VERY FRIENDLY, SO THAT. THAT'S COOL.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, JULIET DOES A LOT WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT, SO PLEASE JOIN ME IN A ROUND APPLAUSE OF CELEBRATING 15 YEARS WITH JULIETTE.

[APPLAUSE] ALL RIGHT. LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, I'M GONNA ASK JOHN OLSON TO JOIN US UP FRONT. AND JOHN HAS BEEN WITH THE TOWN FOR 30 YEARS. AND SO JOHN HAS AN INTERESTING BACKGROUND THAT I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW WHEN I SAW THIS, BECAUSE YOU HAD A LITTLE SHORT STINT SOMEWHERE, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WENT THERE. BUT.

OKAY. YOU KNOW I CAN READ IT? I JUST DON'T, I DON'T TRUST WHAT'S ON HERE.

SO I THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE RIGHT THERE. SO JON WAS HIRED ON AS A METER READER ON JULY 16TH OF 1995.

HE WAS RECLASSED TO A METER SERVICES TECHNICIAN IN NOVEMBER OF 1996.

AND HE WAS, NOW, THIS IS THE PART I DIDN'T KNOW, YOU WERE PROMOTED TO DEPUTY CLERK, COURT CLERK IN JANUARY OF 2000, AND YOU DID THAT FOR A FEW MONTHS AND THEN YOU WERE PROMOTED.

WAIT. YOU? OKAY? YEAH. I'M SORRY. YOU DID THAT FOR ABOUT FOUR MONTHS BEFORE YOU WERE PROMOTED TO YOUR CURRENT POSITION, WHICH IS METER OPERATIONS MANAGER, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

AND SEE, I'VE KNOWN JOHN FOR MANY YEARS. AND ON THE FUN FACT FOR JOHN IS THAT HE'S WORKED FOR THE TOWN FOR OVER HALF HIS LIFE, SPENDING MOST OF THAT TIME IN METER SERVICES ASIDE AGAIN TO HAVE A FEW MONTHS IN THE COURT.

THAT THREW ME OFF, APPARENTLY. AND THEN AS THE METER SERVICES MANAGER AND THE COOL THING ABOUT JOHN AND HIS GROUP, THEY'RE THE MOST TENURED GROUP THAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND.

AND I WANT TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT PLAYING ANYTHING. BASICALLY, THAT ENTIRE DIVISION CAN RETIRE.

THEY CAN ALL LEAVE AT THE SAME TIME. BUT I THINK THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO JOHN AND HIS LEADERSHIP, THE FACT THAT HE'S BEEN THERE 30 YEARS, AND MOST OF OUR METER TECHS HAVE BEEN OVER THERE OVER 20 YEARS. SO THAT SHOWS THAT THAT'S THAT SHOWS HE'S DOING SOMETHING RIGHT OVER THERE.

WHILE THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, WHILE WORKING WITH THE TOWN, JOHN, MARY AND JADE, WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE.

AND SO I'M GOING TO GET OFF SCRIPT A LITTLE BIT.

HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE TOWN? IN AGGREGATE.

ALL OF IT. OKAY. SO YOU SEE, IN BETWEEN THE COUPLE, YOU HAVE NEARLY 50 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY COOL. AND JOHN AND JADE HAVE TWO SONS, GARIN AND DYLAN, AND HE HAS THE DESIGNATION OF CELEBRATING HIS 30TH BIRTHDAY, 40TH AND 50TH BIRTHDAYS EMPLOYED WITH THE TOWN.

AND SO AGAIN, WE JUST APPRECIATE 30 YEARS AT ALL TIMES.

BUT WHAT'S REALLY COOL IS THAT WHEN I WORKED AT TOWN THE FIRST TIME, I KNEW JOHN WELL AND KNEW JADE WELL.

I'M WORKING AT THE UTILITY COUNTER AND SO PLEASE JOIN ME AS WE CELEBRATE 30 YEARS FOR JOHN.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE REAL QUICKLY THAT NOT EVERYBODY SHOWS UP FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING AND CHRISTINE HASTINGS, OUR ANIMAL SERVICES MANAGER, CELEBRATED HER 20TH ANNIVERSARY.

AND SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW CHRISTINE, YOU PROBABLY KNOW HER COLORFUL JEEPS THAT SHE DRIVES AROUND TOWN.

SO JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CHRISTINE HASTINGS HAS A 20 YEAR ANNIVERSARY.

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AND IF YOU HAVEN'T MET JILL YET, SHE IS OUR SPECIAL EVENTS MANAGER.

A NEW POSITION THAT WE CREATED THIS FISCAL YEAR.

AND SHE IS HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT INDEPENDENCE FEST.

IT'S OUR BIGGEST EVENT. AND SHE'S JUST GOING TO RUN YOU THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND AND WHAT ALL HAPPENED THIS YEAR.

SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JILL. HEY. ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL AND TOWNSPEOPLE. STAFF.

I'M JILL AMOS, SPECIAL EVENTS MANAGER. AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO PRESENT A SUMMARY OF OUR 2025 CHILDREN'S PARADE AND INDEPENDENCE FEST, WHICH WAS HELD ON FRIDAY, JULY 4TH, JUST AFTER 10 A.M..

OUR ANNUAL CHILDREN'S PARADE COMMENCED ITS ROUTE TO LEONARD AND HELEN JOHNS COMMUNITY PARK.

DESPITE ADDITIONAL THREATS OF RAIN AND STORMS, THE WEATHER HELD, ALLOWING FOR OUR LARGEST TURNOUT YET WITH OVER 2500 PARTICIPANTS.

UPON ARRIVAL AT THE PARK, A VIBRANT CELEBRATION UNFOLDED WITH SIX BOUNCE HOUSES, AN INTERACTIVE DJ HOSTING GAMES AND DANCE OFFS.

A MAGIC SHOW WITH BALLOON ARTISTRY. UNCLE SAM ON STILTS AND A POPULAR NEW EDITION OF FOAM CANNON.

FOLKS OF ALL AGES CAME BY TO EAT COMPLIMENTARY HOT DOGS AND POPCORN, GET THEIR FACES PAINTED, COMPETE IN WATERMELON EATING CONTESTS, EXPLORE A FIRE ENGINE, AND ENJOY TIME WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

THIS EVENT REALLY BROUGHT THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER FOR THE KIDS.

WE HAD TEN PLUS LOCAL VENDORS AND SPONSORS ENGAGING TOWNSPEOPLE ALONGSIDE OUR CONTRACTOR PROMOTER LINE.

WE HAD 37 PARKS AND REC STAFF PREPPING THE VENUE, WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF OVER 15 MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES STAFF, AND OVER 100 VOLUNTEERS OFFERING THEIR TALENTS.

THE CHILDREN'S PARADE WAS MOST DEFINITELY A SUCCESS.

FAST FORWARD A FEW HOURS TO OUR EVENING'S FESTIVITIES, WHILE THE GATES AT BAKERSFIELD PARK OPENED AT 5 P.M.

FOR INDEPENDENCE FEST, WE HAD A SLOW START DUE TO THE EARLIER RAIN THREATS BECOMING A REALITY.

WE EXPERIENCED OMINOUS CLOUDS, INTERMITTENT RAIN, AND HIGH WINDS, THOUGH FORTUNATELY WE AVOIDED MAJOR STORMS. HOWEVER, OUR CREWS WERE PREPARED AND THERE WAS ONLY A SLIGHT DELAY IN THE SECOND MUSICAL ACT, AND ANY MAJOR DAMAGE FROM THE WINDS WAS QUICKLY AVERTED DUE TO FAST ACTING PERSONNEL ANCHORING ITEMS AND REMOVING SIGNAGE THAT WAS BEGINNING TO ACT AS SAILS.

AFTER THE CLOUDS MADE WAY FOR THE SUN TO COME OUT, SO DID THE CROWDS.

WE HAD A STEADY INFLUX OF GUESTS THAT PEAKED BETWEEN 7:30 AND 8 P.M.

WHEN OUR PATRIOTIC CEREMONIES GOT UNDERWAY, LED BY OUR VERY OWN HOMEGROWN MC, MAYOR SHERYL MOORE.

AN ESTIMATED 20,000 GUESTS ROSE FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE TO THANK THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED IN THE U.S.

MILITARY, BOTH PAST AND PRESENT, FOR THE PRESENTATION OF COLORS BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S HONOR GUARD.

THE NATIONAL ANTHEM, SUNG BY RECENT MARCUS HIGH SCHOOL GRAD KATE DODSON, AND A UNIQUE FLYOVER OF A BOEING CHINOOK CH-47 F HELICOPTER THAT INSPIRED AWE AND GRATITUDE FROM THE CROWD. ADDITIONALLY, INDEPENDENCE FEST HOSTED 61 VENDORS, 21 FOOD VENDORS, AND A KIDS ZONE WITH SEVEN INFLATABLES AND BOUNCE HOUSES, THREE MECHANICAL RIDES, PLUS ANOTHER NEW ADDITION, LONE STAR RIDES, WHICH CONSISTS OF MOTORIZED RIDE ON SCOOTERS MADE FOR 1 OR 2 PEOPLE TO ENJOY AS THEY MAKE THEIR WAY AROUND THE TRACK ON THESE ANIMAL THEMED CUTIES. A T SHIRT CANNON BLASTED FREEBIES OUT TO THE CROWD.

A VINTAGE CAR SHOW WITH SOME SPECTACULAR ENTRIES, DAZZLED CAR BUFFS AND NON ALIKE, AND MCDONALD'S, HAMBURGLAR AND GRIMACE MADE SPECIAL GUEST APPEARANCES.

INDEPENDENCE FEST ALSO HOSTED A STELLAR LINEUP OF MUSICAL ACTS, BEGINNING WITH HOTEL MC DOOBIE, A TRIBUTE BAND COVERING ALL THE GREATEST HITS OF THE EAGLES, FLEETWOOD MAC AND THE DOOBIE BROTHERS.

NEXT WEEK, THE WORLD'S GREATEST DISCO BAND WAS BACK TO BRING JOY AND FUN SHENANIGANS TO THE MASSES.

THE HEADLINER WAS NEW COUNTRY GREAT CHRIS JANSON.

HE DELIGHTED THE CROWD WITH HIS CHART TOPPING HITS AND WELL-KNOWN COVERS.

HE EVEN CAPTURED VIDEO FOOTAGE OF THE AUDIENCE FOR AN UPCOMING RELEASE.

AND LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, THE EVENING'S FESTIVITIES ENDED WITH A SPECTACULAR FIREWORKS SHOW.

ACCORDING TO EMERGENCY SERVICES, ONLY 33 CONTACTS WERE MADE DURING THE FESTIVAL.

THE MUCH LOWER THAN NORMAL TEMPERATURES LIKELY CONTRIBUTED TO THIS EXTREMELY LOW NUMBER OF CONTACTS,

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THE ENDURING SUCCESS OF FLOWER MOUND BIGGEST EVENT IS MERITED BY ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND GROUPS WHO WORK TO BRING IT TOGETHER.

WE LOVE AND APPRECIATE PROMOTER LINE ALONG WITH OUR SPONSORS.

SPECIAL THANKS TO CONSERVE MARKET STREET, REPUBLIC SERVICES, GDS MANAGEMENT, OXLEY ARCHITECTS, PASCAL AIR PLUMBING AND ELECTRIC, KELLY FAMILY, MCDONALD'S, G TEXAS FOOD AND CATERING, EMERGENCY ICE AND SO MANY MORE.

OUR VOLUNTEERS ALSO MAKE A HUGE IMPACT ON OUR ABILITY TO HOST THESE EVENTS.

THERE ARE SO MANY TO THANK, BUT NOW WE WILL THANK THE SUMMIT CLUB, WOMEN OF FLOWER MOUND, GIRL SCOUT TROOP 579, CITIZEN PATROL AND THE PARK BOARD AND CDC MEMBERS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS. AND OF COURSE, WE OWE IMMENSE APPRECIATION TO ALL THE TOWNS DEPARTMENTS WHO WORK ALONGSIDE US TO MAKE THIS FESTIVAL SAFE AND SUCCESSFUL. THANK YOU.

POLICE, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND FIRE COMMUNICATIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, PUBLIC WORKS, AND PARKS AND RECREATION SERVICES EMPLOYEES. ADDITIONALLY, A SPECIAL THANKS TO YOU, TOWN COUNCIL FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR ONGOING EFFORTS TO PROVIDE RESOURCES TO MAKE FLOWER MOUND EVENTS BIGGER AND BETTER EVERY YEAR.

I AM ALREADY LOOKING FORWARD TO PLANNING NEXT YEAR'S INDEPENDENCE FEST TO CELEBRATE AMERICA'S 250TH YEAR AS A NATION.

THANK YOU. THANKS, JILL. APPRECIATE IT. AND WHAT [INAUDIBLE] AND THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE NIGHT FOR ME AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS MEETING HAMBURGLAR AND GRIMACE BEHIND STAGE. WE WERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

BUT THEY DO A GREAT JOB AS ALWAYS AND JUST KNOCK IT OUT OF THE PARK.

EVERY YEAR, EVERY YEAR, WE JUST KEEP ON TOP OF IT AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO 250.

A COUPLE OF QUICK ITEMS. ONE, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE PUBLICLY AS MANY OF FOLKS KNOW, THAT GOVERNOR ABBOTT HAS CALLED A SPECIAL SESSION IN THE PLACE.

SO EVERY, EVERY TIME WE THINK WE'RE KIND OF DONE, IT KEEPS GOING A LITTLE BIT.

THERE'S A MYRIAD OF TOPICS THAT AND THE WAY SPECIAL SECTIONS WORK, SPECIAL SESSIONS WORK IS THAT YOU CAN ONLY TALK ON TOPICS THAT THE GOVERNOR MAKES A PRIORITY. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND, OBVIOUSLY THE FLOOD RESPONSE IS A BIG PIECE OF THAT.

THE THC CONVERSATION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT FOR THE TOWN IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S PROPERTY TAX RELIEF THAT'S ON THERE.

AND ALSO I'M LOOKING FOR HERE.

YOU'RE. YOU'RE GOOD. THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE'LL BE FOCUSING ON ARE ANYTHING THAT IS RELATED TO PROPERTY TAX SPENDING LIMITS ALSO TAXPAYER FUNDED LOBBYING.

AND THERE IS SOME LEGISLATION PERTAINING TO POLICE PERSONNEL RECORDS.

THANK YOU JP. AND SO WE'RE TRACKING THAT. AND THE WAY THIS PROCESS WORKS IS THE SPECIAL SESSIONS LAST 30 DAYS.

AND SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO CALL MULTIPLE SPECIAL SESSIONS IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THERE RIGHT NOW.

AND WE WILL KEEP THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL APPRIZED AS YOU KNOW, THIS SESSION, WE WERE HEAVILY ENGAGED THUS FAR AND THROUGH THE WORK OF YOU ALL AS A COUNCIL AND ALSO MEMBERS OF OUR DELEGATION, WE WERE ABLE TO STEER OFF SOME PROBLEMATIC LEGISLATIVE ITEMS THAT WERE GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE TOWN.

AND WE APPRECIATE OUR DELEGATION FOR THAT WORK, BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE OUT OF THE WOODS YET.

AND ONCE WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S A NEED TO TO PING YOU ALL AS A COUNCIL IN OUR COMMUNITY TO BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE'LL CERTAINLY DO SO. SO I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT PROCESS IS STILL ONGOING.

AND OUR LOBBYIST AND I MEAN, THAT'S IMPORTANT, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION.

BUT YOU ALL, AS A COUNCIL, KNOW HOW IMPORTANT BRANDI BIRD HAS BEEN TO THE TOWN.

AND THOUGH EVERYBODY'S WORKED HARD IN THE PROCESS, HAVING HER ON OUR TEAM HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN ALLOWING US TO SEEK OUT AND ENGAGE ON PROBLEMATIC LEGISLATION FOR THE TOWN. AND SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO KEEP OUR WATCH ON THAT.

AND ALSO, WHEN IT COMES TO PROPERTY TAX RELIEF YOU KNOW, WE WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING AT A CRITICAL JUNCTURE WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THESE BILLS THAT THEY HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO DO IRREPARABLE HARM TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDING, IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT NOW WHERE OUR REVENUE SOURCES AND OUR EXPENDITURES ARE BEING KEPT TO THE POINT THAT THE ONLY WAY YOU SAVE IS IMPACTING YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS THAT.

AND SO AS WE MONITOR THE SITUATION, WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR DELEGATION KNOWS AND OTHERS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE FEEL ABOUT CERTAIN ITEMS. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST EVERYBODY'S FILING THEIR STUFF SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO STICK.

BUT AGAIN, ONCE WE WE KNOW THAT WE'LL KEEP YOU APPRIZED AND WE'LL UPDATE YOU ON WHERE WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS.

MY LAST ITEM IS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT TO OUR ABSENT MAYOR PRO TEM ANN MARTIN.

SHE'S NOT HERE NOW. SHE PRIDES HERSELF ON NOT MISSING A MEETING.

SHE INTENDED NOT TO MISS THIS MEETING, BUT THE TOWN MANAGER, I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE I DROPPED THE BALL.

I DID NOT PUT THE REQUIRED LANGUAGE ON THE AGENDA FOR HER TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY.

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SO I TOLD HER I HAVE NO PROBLEM PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT OUR MAYOR PRO TEM ANN MARTIN WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE IF WE DID NOT HAVE THAT LANGUAGE.

AND I PROFUSELY APOLOGIZE TO HER. SHE'S GOOD, BUT SHE JUST WANTS TO RECORD SHOW THAT IT'S NOT, IT WASN'T HER. AND SO I WILL TAKE THAT HIT. AND IN THE FUTURE.

WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING IS, IS THAT THERE'S SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT HAS TO BE ON OUR AGENDA FOR SOMEBODY TO JOIN US REMOTELY.

AND I THINK AS A MEASURE MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE MANY OF YOU HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA MOVING FORWARD, JUST TO GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY IF SOMETHING COMES UP LAST MINUTE BEFORE. AND REALLY PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TOWARDS NEW STATE MANDATED POSTING RULES OF OUR AGENDA.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH A DRY RUN OF THAT RIGHT NOW. SO I WAS SO FIXATED ON OUR NEW TIME FRAMES THAT I MISSED THAT IMPORTANT THING FOR ALLOW HER TO PARTICIPATE, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP THAT ON THE AGENDA TO GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY. IF SOMEBODY HAS A LAST MINUTE ISSUE AND CAN STILL JOIN US REMOTELY, IT JUST GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO SO. SO AND I'M PROBABLY ACKNOWLEDGING IT'S NOT YOU.

IT WAS ME ON THIS, THIS CASE. BUT SHE TAKES AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF PRIDE IN NOT MISSING MEETINGS.

AND SHE HAD EVERY INTENTION TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. BUT YOU KNOW, SO I'LL TAKE MY SLAP TO THE WRIST ON THIS ONE THAT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT ON THE AGENDA AGAIN IN THE FUTURE? SO WITH THAT MAYOR, THAT'S TOWN MANAGER SUPPORT. OKAY. THANK YOU JAMES. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM G FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DOES ANY COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM THEY WANT TO ADD AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM H, COORDINATION OF CALENDARS.

[H. COORDINATION OF CALENDARS ]

CAN EVERYONE MAKE THAT AT THIS TIME? OKAY, GOOD.

AND THEN AUGUST 4TH IS OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING, AND IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BUDGET.

SO CAN EVERYBODY MAKE THAT? OKAY, SO CAN I. ALL RIGHT.

[I. CONSENT ITEM(S) ]

OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. MAYOR I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX.

SECOND. OKAY, TRACI, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE ROLL.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER TAYLOR.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER DREW.

AYE. OKAY. CONSENT ITEMS. I'M USED TO HAVING THAT ONE EXTRA PERSON CONSENT ITEMS PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

WE'LL GO ON TO THE REGULAR ITEMS. PRESENTING ON THIS IS RAY WATSON FOR THE SILVERON LAND.

CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT. MAYOR, COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

GOT A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS. AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS.

[J.1. HF Silveron Land, LP Chapter 380 Agreement - Public Hearing to consider approval of a Chapter 380 Agreement with HF Silveron Land, LP for the economic development of Flower Mound, and authorization for the Mayor to execute same on behalf of Town. ]

BEFORE YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL LOCATION, THIS IS LOCATED AT SILVERON PARK DRIVE AND 2499 OR INTERNATIONAL PARKWAY.

AND IT COVERS THIS ENTIRE AREA THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE COLORED AREA THERE.

WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE FOUR YEARS AGO, ONE OF THE REQUESTS FOR THE COUNCIL WAS THAT YOU REALLY WANTED TO SEE MORE CLASS-A OFFICE SPACE.

AND SO WE STARTED WORKING WITH TAYLOR FIELDS AND HIS GROUP, WHO IS ALSO HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.

BUT WE STARTED WORKING WITH THEM AND LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE CLASS-A OFFICE SPACE IN THIS CORRIDOR.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU HERE TONIGHT IS TO TALK ABOUT AN INCENTIVE AGREEMENT AND 380 AGREEMENT TO ACTUALLY PUT THAT ANOTHER CLASS-A OFFICE SPACE IN THIS GENERAL AREA. THIS IS WHERE THE ACTUAL LOCATION IS IN THE SITE PLAN.

WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THIS WILL BE THE OFFICE.

THERE'S ANOTHER OFFICES LOCATED IN THESE SECTIONS.

THERE'S A MULTIFAMILY IN THIS SECTION AND THEN RETAIL LINING THE FRONT OF THE ROAD THERE.

THIS IS A CLOSER VIEW OF THE ACTUAL OFFICE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT.

THIS IS THE OFFICE SPACE. AND THEN THIS IS THE PARKING FOR THAT OFFICE SPACE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT 64,000FT², AS IS THE OFFICE BUILDING ITSELF.

AND THEN THIS IS THE RENDERINGS THAT THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER FOR THAT OFFICE BUILDING.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT IS A DEBT SERVICE AGREEMENT, MUCH LIKE THE ONE THAT WE DID FOR LAKESIDE INTERNATIONAL OFFICE CENTER.

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WE'RE LOOKING AT A 40% YEAR ONE AND TWO. AND THEN DROPPING THAT DOWN TO 35% AND 25% FOR A TOTAL DEBT SERVICE OF $1.3 MILLION, AND THEN REAL PROPERTY TAX AT 329,000, SPREAD OUT OVER SIX YEARS AT 50% PROPERTY TAX.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A 100% ON THE BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX SPREAD OUT OVER SEVEN YEARS, AND THEN BUILDING PERMIT FEE OF 100%, IMPACT FEE OF 100%.

THAT COMES UP WITH A $2 MILLION CAP ON THAT TOTAL PROCESS.

IN THAT AGREEMENT, THE DEBT SERVICE, MUCH LIKE THE ONE THAT WE DID FOR THE LAKESIDE INTERNATIONAL OFFICE CENTER, WILL SUNSET IF THEY MEET A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OCCUPANCY IN THAT BUILDING.

AND SO ONCE THEY HIT THAT OCCUPANCY, WHICH IS 70%, THEN THEY WILL, THIS AGREEMENT WILL SUNSET WITH THE LAKESIDE INTERNATIONAL OFFICE CENTER.

WE ACTUALLY ONLY USED ABOUT 50% OF THE MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEBT SERVICE INCENTIVE.

WITH THAT, LET ME MOVE ON TO THE. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU ACTUALLY BREAK IT DOWN.

YOU HAVE A BREAK EVEN AT YEAR FIVE, TOTAL BENEFIT OVER GRADE OVER THE TOTAL COST IS AT YEAR SEVEN.

AND THEN PAYBACK OF ALL COSTS ENDS UP BEING AT YEAR 12.

AND SO FROM AN INCENTIVE STANDPOINT, THIS IS TO GET WHAT YOU WANT WITH AN ACTUAL CLASS A OFFICE BUILDING.

THIS IS A REALLY GOOD INCENTIVE STRUCTURE HERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN GRAPHIC FORM.

AND WITH THAT I'VE GOT THE COMPANY HERE. THEY THEY ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT PRESENTATION.

AND THEY CAN ALSO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON IN THE SITE RIGHT NOW. SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND GET THAT PULLED UP.

OKAY. COME ON. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BROGAN MILLER.

I'M WITH THOMPSON REALTY CAPITAL. DO I NEED TO STATE MY ADDRESS? YES. 1600 NORTH COLLINS. LIKE I SAID, MY NAME IS BROGAN MILLER THOMPSON REALTY CAPITAL.

WE ARE THE DEVELOPER OF SILVERON PARK. WE'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE OVERVIEW, LOCATION, THE OFFICE AND ASSOCIATED PIECES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

SO, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, WE ARE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LAKESIDE AND LONG PRAIRIE ROAD.

AT FULL BUILD OUT OR, THE PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS FOUR PHASES.

WE HAVE A MIX OF 30,000FT² OF RETAIL. AS RAY MENTIONED, ARE UP HERE ALONG A 24.99.

WE HAVE OVER 500,000FT² OF MULTI OR OF OFFICE SPACE, WHICH IS THROUGH HERE.

OVER HERE. AND THERE'S ONE PARCEL BACK OVER HERE.

WE HAVE 200 UNITS OF MULTI OVER TWO AND A HALF MILES OF PARKS AND TRAIL, OR TWO AND A HALF MILES OF TRAILS, AND THEN OVER 18 ACRES OF PARKS AND GREEN SPACE.

IN OUR PHASE ONE, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 15,000FT² OF RETAIL, 2 TO 3 PAD READY SITES, 64,000FT² OF OFFICE, AND 200 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY. AND ONE OTHER THING ON HERE, WE ALSO ARE PUTTING IN ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING ACROSS THE OFFICE TO THE CORNER AND THEN BACK DOWN LAKESIDE.

SO OUR PHASE ONE OFFICE OVERVIEW, IT'S CLASS A OFFICE.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 64,000FT², THREE STORIES. FEATURES UNDER BUILDING PARKING.

WE HAVE A CENTRAL INTERIOR LOBBY, ON SITE SUPPORT SERVICES, 24/7 SECURITY.

AND AS RAY MENTIONED, WE ARE PUTTING IN THIS SOUTH OFFICE PARKING LOT AND WE ARE PUTTING IN THE SOUTH ROAD EXTENSION.

HERE ARE THE RENDERINGS. SO THIS IS AS IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT WITH YOUR BACK TO LONG PRAIRIE ROAD, AND YOU'RE FACING THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING INTO THE BUILDING WITH THE UNDER BUILDING PARKING.

THIS IS A VIEW OF THE BUILDING LOOKING NORTHEAST.

WE HAVE SECOND FLOOR PATIO SPACE FOR THE TENANTS ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND WE HAVE FIRST FLOOR PATIO SPACE AND SECOND FLOOR PATIO SPACE ON THIS SIDE.

AND THEN HERE WE HAVE FIRST FLOOR PATIO SPACE FOR TENANTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

BACK IN THIS DIRECTION IS THE RETAIL AND THE SPINE ROAD EXTENDS THAT WAY.

LONG PRAIRIE ROAD IS BACK OUT HERE. SO PHASE ONE RETAIL OVERVIEW.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO GOING ON WITH THE PHASE ONE. THE SITE PLAN IS CURRENTLY MOVING THROUGH THE MIDDLE PROCESS WITH THE TOWN.

IT'S ON ITS FIFTH SUBMITTAL RIGHT NOW. WE'RE POSITIVE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

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SO THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 17,000FT² OF RETAIL BEING BUILT WITH THIS BUILDING.

WE HAVE PATIO SPACE ON THE WESTERLY END, AND WE HAVE PATIO SPACE ON THE SOUTHEASTERLY END.

AND THEN IN THIS AREA, THIS WILL BE 2 OR 3 PAD READY SITES THAT'S CURRENTLY PLATTED AS A LOT, WHERE IT CAN BE SUBDIVIDED IF IT'S GOING TO BE 2 OR 3.

SO IT'LL BE UP TO THE RETAIL FOLKS TO TO DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THERE.

AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT, WE ARE BUILDING SILVERON PARK, WHICH EXTENDS HERE ALONG THE SPINE ROAD.

THIS IS A RENDERED VERSION OF THE RETAIL BUILDING.

SO THIS IS WITH YOUR BACK SEATING ALONG PRAIRIE ROAD.

AND THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHWESTERLY. SO BACK HERE IS THE SILVERON PARK ON THAT SIDE.

AND THIS IS STANDING IN SILVERON PARK LOOKING BACK NORTHEAST.

SO INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE. IF YOU ALL HAVE DRIVEN ALONG LONG PRAIRIE ROAD, YOU HAVE SEEN TRUCKS OVER THERE MOVING.

SO WE ARE VERY, VERY HAPPY, VERY EXCITED THAT DIRT IS MOVING, THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK IS GOING.

SO THIS IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING BACK SOUTHWESTERLY.

SO IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WHERE MY CURSOR IS THIS IS WHERE THE PHASE ONE OFFICE WILL BE.

AND THAT SOUTH OFFICE PARKING LOT IS RIGHT THERE.

RETAIL IS HERE. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IS ONE CURB CUT RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S ONE ENTRY POINT OFF 2499. THE SECOND ONE IS WAY BACK HERE.

AND AS WE MOVE AROUND THE SITE THIS IS OUR ENTRY POINT OFF OF LAKESIDE.

SO ONCE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS COMPLETE THERE WILL BE A ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH HERE, BACK HERE AND THEN BACK THAT WAY.

AND THIS IS JUST A CLOSE UP VIEW SHOWING THE STORM SEWER GOING IN.

ROUGH GRADING IS COMPLETE. SANITARY IS AT A POINT WHERE STORM CAN BE GOING.

SO WE ARE EXCITED AND THINGS ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO THE BIGGEST AMENITY THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS IS THAT IT ABUTS THAT CORE LAND, WHICH IS A REALLY ATTRACTIVE, RIGHT. DOES THIS WILL THIS BUILDING BE ABLE TO OFFER SOME VIEWS OF THAT CORE PROPERTY TO THE FUTURE TENANTS? YES IT WILL. SO IF WE GO BACK, THAT WAS ONE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO ADD THE PATIO SPACE AND THE SECOND FLOOR SPACE FOR THESE TENANTS HERE, BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE BACK TOWARDS THE CORE SPACE.

SO GETTING VIEWS OF THE GREEN SPACE. WE HAD DEBATED ABOUT PUTTING IT ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT WHO WANTS TO SIT ON A PATIO AND LOOK 2499 SO IT'S BEING ABUTTING UP TO THE CORE LAND IS A VERY, VERY NICE FEATURE. AND WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW EXEMPLIFY THAT FOR OUR TENANTS.

AND IT'S A NICE AMENITY. YEAH. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE POPULAR.

YEAH. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

THE THE CORE PROPERTY CORRIDOR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNSEL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANKS. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON EITHER THE 380 AGREEMENT OR ON THE THE PLAN FOR THE MOVING THIS FORWARD.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY. NO. DO YOU HAVE ANY? OKAY.

NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. OKAY. THANKS, RAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I WILL GO AHEAD SINCE THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL, SO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS UP. DOES ANYBODY DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS? THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS ITEM? OKAY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND IMMEDIATELY CLOSE THAT.

ANYBODY WANT TO DELIBERATE ON THIS OR MAKE A MOTION? I'LL JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. SO THIS SILVERON PROPERTY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST BIG ZONING CASES THAT CAME FORWARD WHEN I ARRIVED ON COUNCIL AND I THINK IT WAS EVEN BRIAN, IT WAS EVEN BEFORE YOU WERE ELECTED.

RIGHT. SO INITIALLY. SO YOU ANYONE WHO DRIVES UP AND DOWN 2499, ESPECIALLY ANYONE WHO'S LIVED HERE A LONG TIME, HAS SEEN THAT TRANSFORM FROM A TREE LINED BOULEVARD TO A WAREHOUSE DISTRICT.

AND NO ONE'S REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. AND SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO WITH THIS, STARTING WITH THIS PROJECT, IS STEER THE ENTRANCE TO OUR TOWN BACK TOWARD MORE OF A MIXED USE, OFFICE ORIENTED, LIMITED RESIDENTIAL PROJECT THAT IS REALLY COMPLEMENTARY TO WHAT LAKESIDE HAS DONE, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AND LESS SO, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE TOWN WITH ALL OF THE WAREHOUSES.

BUT WHAT WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF APPLICATIONS FOR WERE, YOU KNOW, MORE WAREHOUSES, MORE APARTMENT BUILDINGS.

SO WITH THIS PROJECT, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO GET THEM TO PUT AN OFFICE BUILDING IN IN PHASE ONE, AND ONLY WHEN THIS BUILDING GETS DONE DO THOSE APARTMENTS UNLOCKED.

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SO THIS IS, I THINK, A VERY SUCCESSFUL CASE OF THAT COMING FORWARD WHERE THE ZONING WAS DONE RIGHT.

THE DEVELOPER AND COUNCIL WORKED TOGETHER, AND WE'RE GETTING A REALLY GOOD OUTCOME. AND I THINK THIS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HELP MAKE THIS POSSIBLE. BUT IF THIS IS SUCCESSFUL, THEN IT'S GOING TO START TO TURN THAT CORRIDOR INTO A CLASS A OFFICE CORRIDOR WHERE PEOPLE ARE WORKING IN TOWN, THEY'RE LIVING IN TOWN, AND IT'S GOING TO TRANSFORM THE WHOLE 2499 CORRIDOR INTO SOMETHING VERY SUCCESSFUL.

SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS COMING FORWARD, RAY. YOU DID A REALLY GREAT JOB ON THIS.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYONE? OKAY, ADAM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF REGULAR ITEM ONE AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. OKAY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER DREW.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. OKAY. ITEM J.1 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THANK YOU, RAY, FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. NO PROBLEM.

ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE DOING THE NEXT ONE TOO. SO ANOTHER CHAPTER THREE.

[J.2. AAB Venture Capital Chapter 380 Agreement and Purchase and Sale Agreement (PSA) - Public Hearing to consider approval of (1) a Chapter 380 Agreement with AAB Venture Capital and (2) a Purchase and Sale Agreement (PSA) for the sale of approximately 22 acres of Town-owned land along Denton Creek Road between FM 1171 and Canyon Falls Drive, for $7,978,014.00; and to authorize the Mayor to execute both agreements on behalf of the Town. ]

SO COUNCIL AS YOU REMEMBER, WE ARE THE PROUD OWNERS OF 22 ACRES ON THE WEST SIDE.

AND THAT WAS 22 ACRES OF THE TOWN PURCHASED IN 2024 TO SECURE RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES ON THE WEST SIDE.

AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP, THAT 22 ACRES IS IN THAT BLUE OUTLINE RIGHT THERE.

THE BLACK LINE THAT YOU SEE IS THE NEW ROAD THAT WILL BE GOING IN THERE.

THAT IS THE DENTON CREEK BOULEVARD. AND IF YOU FOLLOW THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH, IT IS ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH CANYON FALLS, AND THEN WE'LL END UP OUT ON 35 AT THE NEW INTERCHANGE.

AND SO YOU'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO JUST WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS ALL THE WAY TO THE NEW INTERCHANGE AT 35 STRAIGHT THROUGH CANYON FALLS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE FOLKS THAT LIVE OUT THERE.

COUNCILMAN TAYLOR. SO A LOT MORE TRAFFIC FLOW AND HELP WITH THAT TRAFFIC FLOW OUT THERE.

THE 22 ACRES THAT YOU SEE HERE. YOU SEE THE CUTOUT IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

BUT THAT BOTTOM CORNER IS A REGIONAL DETENTION ON THAT PROJECT.

THIS WAS OVERALL PART OF THE BROOK VIEW DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU SEE OUT THERE AS YOU AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 1400 HOMES GOING INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND THIS GIVES US THE ABILITY TO HAVE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.

AFTER THE COUNCIL PURCHASED THIS, WE STARTED WORKING TO FIND A BUYER FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BUILD A DEVELOPMENT THAT ACTUALLY FIT WITH THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND, BUT ALSO HELP TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THE GOALS AND THE INTEREST OF RETAIL OUT IN THIS AREA.

AND WITH THAT WE WENT AND MET WITH AAB CAPITAL MANAGEMENT AND THEIR TEAM IS HERE TO TONIGHT TO SPEAK AS WELL, AND THEN ALSO SHOW A VIDEO HERE IN A MINUTE OF WHAT THEIR COMPANY DOES AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEM.

BUT WE ARE THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE PURCHASER IF EVERYTHING IS APPROVED TONIGHT.

THE MECHANISM WHICH WE'RE USING TO DO THIS IS THROUGH A 380 AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWS US TO SELL THE LAND TO THEM AND DESIGN A DEVELOPMENT THAT ACTUALLY FITS WITH WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE AS A COUNCIL. AND THEN THE PLAN APPROVAL WILL BE APPROVED BY STAFF UNLESS IT CHANGES DRAMATICALLY FROM WHAT IS PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT HERE. AND THAT IS AND IF IT DOES CHANGE, THEN IT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU AS A COUNCIL TO APPROVE ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO THAT.

IN CLOSING, WILL COINCIDE WITH THE DENTON CREEK BOULEVARD BEING FINISHED AS WELL AS SOME OTHER INCENTIVES IN THE DOCUMENTS WHICH INCLUDE THE HEB COMING ONLINE AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THAT ROAD BEING ACCESSIBLE WITH INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THEN ON THE EARNEST MONEY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING DOWN 25,000 WITHIN THE FIRST THREE DAYS, AND THEN ANOTHER 200,000 UPON THE EXPIRATION OF INSPECTION, WITH THE 25,000 GOING HARD IF THEY DECIDE TO EXTEND THAT PLAN APPROVAL PERIOD WE DID HAVE. WE DO HAVE A COMMISSION TO BE PAID TO WICKER AND ASSOCIATES, WHO WAS THE BROKER ON THIS DEAL.

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AND THIS DEALS WITH A AN ACTUAL ENTERTAINMENT VENUE.

AND THE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS SOMETHING LIKE A PIN STACK OR SOMETHING LIKE IN THAT LEVEL.

AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OPTION ONE, THAT THAT VENUE WOULD BE SET BACK BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS THERE TO YOUR RIGHT ON THIS PICTURE.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT YOU NOTICE ON THE BOTTOM, YOU'LL SEE THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY BROUGHT TO US WAS THAT THEY WANTED TO DO A HILL COUNTRY LOOK AND FEEL PLAYING OFF OF WHAT FIRST RANCH IS DOING TO THE EAST OF THIS PROJECT.

AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET INTO THE 380 AGREEMENT IS TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO THE 380 AGREEMENT AS PART OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING WITH THIS PROJECT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL ECONOMICS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANNUAL REVENUE PROJECTED AT 26 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT WITH AN ANNUAL PROJECTED SALES TAX OF $2.1 MILLION.

AND MOVING TO THEIR SECOND PLAN, THIS IS ACTUALLY TAKING OUT THE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE AND PUTTING IN A GROCERY STORE.

WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS ONE IS IT ALLOWS FOR A LOT MORE RETAIL BECAUSE THE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE TAKES UP SO MUCH SPACE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL SITE ITSELF AND SO STICKING WITH THE SAME HILL COUNTRY LOOK AND FEEL THE NUMBERS INCREASED BY ABOUT 300,000 AS FAR AS THE VALUE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THE EXTRA RETAIL THAT CAN BE FITTED ON THE SITE BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE VENUE.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS. AND LIKE I SAID, THE, AAB'S HERE AS WELL.

IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN SHOW YOU THE VIDEO THAT THEY HAVE PREPARED FOR YOU ALL IF YOU'D LIKE.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. OKAY.

FROM OUR HEADQUARTERS IN DALLAS, TEXAS, OUR TEAM DRIVES INNOVATION AND TRANSFORMATION GLOBALLY, SPECIALIZING IN REAL ESTATE, TECH STARTUPS, LIFE SCIENCES, AND THE ENERGY SECTOR.

AAB CONNECTS CAPITAL TO OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE BETTER OUTCOMES FOR OUR INVESTORS AND A BETTER WORLD.

AT AAB WE LIVE BY OUR NAME, ALWAYS ASSURED BEST UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF VEE BASAPPA WE ARE GUIDED BY CORE VALUES OF HONESTY, INTEGRITY, TRUST AND RELIABILITY IN ALL OUR ENDEAVORS.

WE THINK DIFFERENTLY, ACT DECISIVELY AND ACHIEVE RESULTS THAT STAND OUT.

OUR AIM IS TO EMPOWER ENTREPRENEURS AND BUSINESS LEADERS WHILE CREATING POSITIVE VALUE FOR OUR INVESTORS.

WITH OVER $400 MILLION IN ASSETS UNDER MANAGEMENT.

WE CONNECT CAPITAL WITH OPPORTUNITIES, MAXIMIZING THEIR POTENTIAL.

THROUGH OUR UNIQUE PARTNERSHIP MODEL. WE DON'T JUST PROVIDE FUNDING.

WE OFFER EXPERTISE, LEADERSHIP AND DIRECTION TO HELP BUSINESSES GROW AND SUCCEED IN TODAY'S COMPETITIVE LANDSCAPE.

BY PROVIDING SEED AND GROWTH INVESTMENTS, WE HELP TURN VISIONARY IDEAS INTO REALITY, SHAPING A BETTER WORLD FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

AAB VENTURE CAPITAL EMPOWERING LEADERS, BUILDING LEGACIES AND SHAPING A BRIGHTER FUTURE.

LET'S BUILD SOMETHING EXTRAORDINARY TOGETHER.

AND PLAY ON WHAT THEY SAID IN THE VIDEO,ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID WHEN WE FIRST MET WITH THEM WAS TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AT FIRST RANCH, AND SO WHEN THEY CAME BACK WITH THEIR PROPOSAL, THAT PROPOSAL WAS BASED OFF OF DISCUSSIONS THAT WE ALREADY HAD ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON OUT THERE AND THEN WHAT THE NEED WAS WITH THE CURRENT CANYON FALL RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS OUT THERE.

AND SO THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO VISIT WITH THE WITH VEE, HE IS HERE WITH HIS PARTNER CLINT.

AND SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THEM WE CAN BRING THEM UP AS WELL.

SO YEAH OKAY. YEAH. LET'S DO. GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

THANK YOU. HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. SO MY NAME IS VEE BASAPPA.

I HAVE CLINT HOLLAND. CLINT HOLLAND. SO OUR AIM, WE HAVE BEEN DOING SEVERAL PROJECTS LIKE THIS.

LIKE 22 ACRES IN PROSPER OR NORTHWEST CORNER OF PROSPER.

AND THAT'S WHAT EXCITED US. HEY, WE CAN REPLICATE SIMILAR, SIMILAR PROJECT HERE.

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AND WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT IN EXECUTING. WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF HOMEWORK.

YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT IS. TAKE WHAT IS THE RIGHT TIME TO START THIS PROJECT.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE BEEN BACK AND FORTH GOING AND WE ARE CONFIDENT.

AND CLINT IS I'M MORE ON A CAPITAL MARKETS, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE FUNDING AND THE ACQUISITION.

CLINT IS MORE ABOUT EXECUTING HIS HAS A LOT OF REALISTIC EXPERIENCE. SO HE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE.

YEAH. SO I AM I'VE KNOWN THE SITE FOR A LONG TIME.

I ACTUALLY LIVE IN TROPHY CLUB, BUT MY KIDS GO TO SCHOOL IN FLOWER MOUND.

AND SO I'VE ALWAYS WATCHED THIS AREA AND LOOK AT IT KIND OF EXPLODE AND WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THE OPPORTUNITY AND SAID, HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? LIKE, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING AND THERE'S JUST NOT MANY SERVICES AND THERE'S NOT MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO SHOP UNLESS YOU MOVE OUT OF OUT OF FLOWER MOUND OR GO WAY TO THE TO THE EAST.

SO IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, I'VE DONE A LOT OF OFFICE CONDOS AND OFFICE DEVELOPMENT AND DONE RETAIL REDEVELOPMENT AND SO REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY AND BUILD A ROBUST CENTER OUT HERE.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO, YEAH, WE HAD A NUMBER OF BIDDERS FOR THE SITE.

AND I THINK WHAT ATTRACTED US TO YOUR BID WAS THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS HAD A GREAT VISION FOR THE PROJECT BECAUSE THIS IS THE WESTERN ENTRANCE TO OUR TOWN.

AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED ON THE LAST ONE THAT WE REALLY WANT TO GET IT RIGHT.

AND WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME. GET THE WESTERN INTEREST.

RIGHT. SO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE HILL COUNTRY MODERN LOOK, THE DESIGN IDEA THAT YOU HAVE FOR THIS PROJECT, WHAT IT'S GOING TO, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S ALL DONE. YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE IT REPLICATING A LOT LIKE WE'VE ALREADY ALREADY HAVE IN THE CANYON FALLS WITH THE DPS OFFICE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST THE STONE, THE WOOD, THE EXPOSED WOOD YOU KNOW, TRYING TO REALLY KIND OF BRING THAT TO THE FOREFRONT OF DEVELOPMENT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE A VERY WELCOMING VISUAL TO IT AS OPPOSED TO WHAT, YOU SEE, KIND OF MORE CONTEMPORARY LOOKS IN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT TODAY.

AND SO WE KIND OF SEE THAT KIND OF MATCHING EVEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING BEHIND YOU AT THE STONE WALL. RIGHT. LIKE IT KIND OF MATCHES WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S BEEN DOING AND KIND OF THAT LOOK THAT YOU KIND OF SEE, IT'S KIND OF GOES ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.

SO THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION, OF COURSE, IS, WELL, YOU'VE GOT A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE READY TO GO WITH DOLLARS IN THEIR HAND, READY TO SHOP AND DYING TO GO TO HAVE PLACES TO GO TO.

WHEN CAN THEY EXPECT A RIBBON CUTTING TO HAPPEN WHERE PEOPLE CAN START VISITING THIS PROPERTY? WELL, SO WE ARE GOING TO TEE IT UP. BASICALLY WE'RE GOING TO START TO, YOU KNOW, MARKETING IT NOW RIGHT? AS SOON AS WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF HAVE OUR HANDS TIED UNTIL THE ROAD GETS COMPLETED AND ALL THE CITY SERVICES ARE THERE. AND SO FROM THAT POINT, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, A 12 TO 18 MONTH DEVELOPMENT TIME FRAME FOR MOST OF IT.

I MEAN, THERE'S 22 ACRES, RIGHT? SO IT'S GOING TO BE PHASED IN.

BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE ANCHOR DONE BY THE TIME THE ROADS ARE SET AND HAVE DIRECTION, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE ENTERTAINMENT OR IF IT'S GOING TO BE GROCERY.

SO LAST QUESTION. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF REDESIGN ON THE INTERSECTION AT THE TRAIN TRACKS.

DOES ANY OF THAT INFLUENCE THIS PROJECT AT ALL? WHAT'S THE READ YOU GET ON THE FUTURE OF 377 1171? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S A MID-BLOCK SITE, RIGHT? LIKE, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE HARD CORNER, BUT WE KNOW THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE.

AND SO WHATEVER WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT ON THE TRAIN TRACK, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR FRONT DOOR. RIGHT? AND SO WE WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, VERY INVOLVED IN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE MOST OF THE TRACKS ARE ALREADY TIED UP AND THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER GROUPS TO COME IN AND AND EXECUTE AT THAT LEVEL. AND SO WE THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH A 22 ACRE SITE, IT'S BIG ENOUGH THAT WE CAN DICTATE WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE SITE, AND WE CAN BRING A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS IN, WHETHER IT BE RETAIL, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY LOOK AT SOME MAYBE SOME OFFICE CONDO OPPORTUNITIES. AND JUST, YOU KNOW, MEETING THE NEEDS OUT THERE.

LIKE I SAID, THERE'S THERE'S NO PLACE TO STOP THAT FAR WEST UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO JUSTIN AT THIS POINT.

WELL, WE WANT YOU TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND WE WANT YOU TO BE FAST. SO WE'LL WORK ON GETTING THAT ROAD DONE. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT LIVE JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THIS LOCATION.

YOU. THERE'S THE TWO OPTIONS, RIGHT? ONE THAT HAS THE ENTERTAINMENT CENTER AND ONE THAT HAS THE GROCERY STORE. WHAT? TALK TO ME JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WILL YOU TRY TO MARKET BOTH OF THOSE AND THEN SEE WHAT YOUR BEST OPPORTUNITIES ARE, WHAT'S GOING TO INFORM THE DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GO? I MEAN, I THINK THE IDEA IS TO MARKET BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY JUST TO SEE WHERE WE CAN GET THE MOST TRACTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR A BOUTIQUE GROCER.

I MEAN, I KNOW YOU GOT HEB DOWN THE STREET AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET TOM THUMB, RIGHT? LIKE THAT JUST WON'T HAPPEN. BUT I COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SPROUTS OR A BOUTIQUE GROUP WOULD, COULD FIT VERY WELL THERE. RIGHT. AND THEN ON THE, THE ENTERTAINMENT SIDE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE LOOKING,

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AND SO WE LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT JUST THE VOID OF ANY KIND OF A FACILITY LIKE THAT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SHOP IT OUT THERE AND SEE WHERE WE GET THE MOST TRACTION, IF YOU WILL.

BECAUSE TIME AGAIN IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR YOU GUYS AND FOR US.

RIGHT. LIKE, WE DON'T WANT TO SIT ON ON RAW LAND FOREVER.

AND AND SO WE'D LOVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING OUT THERE AND FIND THE RIGHT TENANTS THAT WOULD WE MAKE A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT, SUCCESSFUL ANCHOR. SURE. AND IT SOUNDS GREAT.

MY WIFE WAS TOOK MY KIDS AND SOME OF THEIR FRIENDS TO THE PEN STACK IN WESTLAKE TODAY.

SO BUT YEAH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO TO SEEING WHAT ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE.

THERE IS NEED CERTAINLY FOR RETAIL, FOR RESTAURANTS, FOR QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANTS, FOR ENTERTAINMENT.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY WITH MORE RESIDENTS COMING.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH THE TOWN. YOU KNOW, WITH THE THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE IN CANYON FALLS, WHAT'S COMING IN AND FIRST RANCH JUST TO YOUR EAST.

SO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS MOVE FORWARD. DEFINITELY AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE FIRST RANCH AND JUST THAT MASTER PLAN BEING ROLLED OUT AND AND JUST ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE. THANKS.

YEAH, I WANT TO DITTO THAT. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH US FOR A WHILE ON THIS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S GREAT TO SEE THIS COME, COME ALIVE.

AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT YOU ALL BRING TO THAT.

PERFECT. THANK YOU MA'AM. SO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION I DON'T THINK. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. AND THEN THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD.

RAY, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, DID YOU? OKAY.

ONE OF THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER OF ME WAS IF THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY TO STILL INCENTIVIZE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS IF SOMETHING CAME ALONG THAT YOU WANTED TO WORK WITH. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM BRENT'S TEAM IS THAT IS STILL CAPABILITY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE DOING A 380 AGREEMENT TO DO THE LAND, WE CAN STILL STACK A 380 AGREEMENT ON SOMETHING IF IT ENDS UP BEING SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO INCENTIVIZE LATER ON IN THE PROJECT.

RIGHT. THIS IS A 380, BUT IT'S NOT A 380 INCENTIVE AGREEMENT.

RIGHT? NO, IT IS IN THE ASPECT THAT IT IS HOW WE ARE TRANSFERRING THE PROPERTY, AND IT ALLOWS US TO SELL THAT TODAY WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT IT UP AND MARKET IT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

SO THIS IS A MECHANISM FOR US TO MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF CONTROL SO THAT WE GET THE OUTCOME WE WANT.

THAT'S TRUE OF 380. BUT WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM GRANTS OR ANYTHING.

THAT'S CORRECT. AT THIS TIME WE ARE NOT DOING IT OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. OKAY I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS ON THIS ONE EITHER.

RIGHT. SO IF ANYONE IN THE CROWD WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS, THEY CAN.

OKAY. NO ONE IS. SO I'M CLOSING THIS PUBLIC HEARING ALREADY.

AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO DELIBERATE ON THIS, THEY CAN OR MAKE A MOTION.

YEAH, I HAD A COMMENT MORE THAN ANYTHING. SO THIS THIS PARCEL OF LAND AND THE SALE OF THE PARCEL OF LAND IS KIND OF THE CLOSEOUT OF THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT THAT WAS OUT IN WEST THAT A LOT OF WEST SIDE RESIDENTS WERE AGAINST.

IT WAS THREE POINT 2,000,000FT² OF WAREHOUSES PROPOSED ALONG ALL THIS RESIDENTIAL.

AND SO WE APPROVED AND CHANGED A LOT OF THE AREA AROUND THIS PARCEL TO RESIDENTIAL AND AVOIDED THE WAREHOUSES.

AND WE BOUGHT THIS PARCEL TO REDUCE THE MULTIFAMILY, REDUCE THE DENSITY, AND TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANTED, WHICH WAS ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL RESTAURANTS, GROCERS, BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S LITERALLY NOTHING OUT THERE.

I USED TO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS, THIS PARCEL LAND AND HAVE A GROCER OR A PEN STACK OR ANY OF THESE AMENITIES WOULD HAVE BEEN A GODSEND.

SO I REALLY, REALLY AM GLAD TO HAVE SUCH A GREAT PARTNER THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT OUT THERE.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO TO SEEING THIS PROJECT KICK OFF AND BREAK GROUND AND WISH YOU THE BEST.

YEAH I AGREE. OKAY. ANYONE? I'VE GOT A MOTION.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE YOU DO. GO AHEAD. OKAY.

THIS IS THE SMARTEST THING WE'VE EVER DONE. THIS RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS LIKE YOU SAID, THIS IS THE END OF A LONG ROAD.

WE HAD HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HERE UPSET ABOUT A WAREHOUSE PROJECT.

IT GOT VERY LITIGIOUS. WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM TO CONVERT TO A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, BUT THEN THEY CAME IN WITH HUNDREDS OF APARTMENTS.

AND THAT ABOUT TORPEDOED THE WHOLE THING. BUT BY US BUYING THIS LAND, WE BASICALLY BOUGHT DOWN 750 APARTMENTS DOWN TO 250.

AND THEN WE ENDED UP JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER GETTING ALL OF OUR MONEY BACK.

AND WE CONVERTED THE THE PROPERTY INTO A SALES TAX GENERATING PROJECT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK BEAUTIFUL.

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AND IT'S AMAZING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE END OF THIS ROAD FINALLY.

AND IT'S ALL WORKED OUT SO WELL. WHOEVER'S IDEA THIS WAS GREAT JOB, RAY.

I'LL GIVE YOU THE CREDIT. WELL DONE. THIS IS AMAZING.

AND I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. AND I'M SUPER THRILLED TO HAVE THIS COME TO A RESOLUTION, AND I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE THEM GET STARTED.

AND I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET TRADER JOE'S ON THE HOOK, AND IT'S GOING TO GO RIGHT THERE IN THAT SPOT. BRIAN PLEASE.

MOVE TO APPROVE REGULAR ITEM J.2 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. OKAY TRACI IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER DREW.

AYE. OKAY. ITEM J.2 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

MAKE SURE THAT COVERS BOTH THE PSA AND THE 380.

IT DOES. OKAY. ITEM TWO IS BOTH. YES. OKAY. OKAY.

[J.3. MISC25-0003 - Caliber Collision - Consider a request for a concept plan (MISC25-0003 - Caliber Collision) with a request for a deviation to computing parking and loading requirements pursuant to Section 82-73 of the Code of Ordinances. The property is generally located south of Justin Road and east of Long Prairie Road. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 6 to 0 at its July 14, 2025, meeting.) ]

THIS IS TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A CONCEPT PLAN WITH A REQUEST FOR A DEVIATION TO COMPUTING PARKING AND LOADING REQUIREMENTS.

AND THIS WAS ON P&Z LAST WEEK. YES THAT'S CORRECT.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. COUNCIL. AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A MISCELLANEOUS APPLICATION.

THE GOAL IS FOR THEM TO FIND OUT IF THE COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT THEIR PARKING DEVIATION.

SO THEY'RE DOING IT WITH A MORE OF A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, SIMILAR TO HOW WE DID HOW WE BROUGHT FORWARD THE HEB PLAN BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM BEFORE THEY CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY TO KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD MAKE THE PARKING WORK ON THE SITE FOR THEM. SO HERE'S THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S SOUTH OF JUSTIN ROAD AND EAST OF LONG PRAIRIE.

HERE'S A MORE DETAILED VIEW. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING BUILDING ON THE SITE.

THE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, AND THE ZONING IS INDUSTRIAL ONE.

HERE'S A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY.

SO, AS MENTIONED, CALIBER COLLISION IS WHO IS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THIS SITE TO DEVELOP IT IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS.

ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT THE OR THE CONDITION THAT STAFF SUGGESTED WAS THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AND SUBMIT A SITE PLAN APPLICATION IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH THE FULL PROCESS TO GET ALL THESE SPECIFIC DIMENSIONS IRONED OUT AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AGAIN, THIS IS MORE CONCEPTUAL. SO IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS AS PRESENTED, IT WOULD INCLUDE THAT CONDITION.

SO THIS SHOWS YOU THEY ARE AGAIN EXISTING BUILDING A LITTLE MORE THAN 29,000FT².

THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ADD TWO ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES, AS NOTED THERE.

AND THEN THE AREA IN RED TO THE SOUTH OF THE BUILDING.

THIS WOULD BE ADDITIONAL PARKING, BUT IT WOULD NOT ACTUALLY GO TOWARD THEIR PARKING CALCULATION.

THIS WOULD BE FOR STORAGE OF VEHICLES THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

BUT SO IT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THE SITE WILL LOOK LIKE AND WHY THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THAT SPACE AVAILABLE TO BUILD OUT FOR THIS EXTRA PARKING.

THEY ARE SHOWING A MASONRY WALL SURROUNDING THIS, SO THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT WITH THE SITE PLAN.

IT WOULD BE SCREENING OF THE VEHICLES WHILE THEY WERE BEING WORKED ON.

HERE IS SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE HERE. THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH OFF OF JUSTIN.

THIS IS LOOKING EAST FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

HERE WE ARE LOOKING SOUTH FROM THAT AREA IN THE BACK.

THAT'S KIND OF CURRENTLY JUST A GRAVELED AREA WHERE THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD OUT THE PARKING STORAGE FOR THE VEHICLES THEY'RE WORKING ON.

SO AGAIN, HERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE TO GO TOWARD THE ACTUAL PARKING IS 53.

THE NUMBER THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED WITH THE TOWN'S CALCULATION IS 116.

AND THEN WITH THE 20% REDUCTION, THAT WOULD GO DOWN TO 93.

BUT SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE TWO NEW SPACES THAT ARE PROPOSED, 22 THAT ARE EXISTING ON SITE AND 29 THAT ARE OFF SITE PARKING.

SO THESE ARE COMING FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

THOSE TWO PROPERTIES ALREADY HAVE A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THEM.

AND SO THERE ARE 29 SPACES THAT ARE DEDICATED FOR USE FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN AGREED UPON AND FILED OF RECORD WITH THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO THOSE ARE AVAILABLE AND GOING TOWARD THAT COUNT AS WELL.

SO THEY DID DO A PARKING STUDY TO INDICATE WHY THIS WOULD WORK FOR THEM.

SO BECAUSE THE THE TOWN DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A CALCULATION THAT'S SPECIFIC FOR AN AUTO BODY TYPE USE.

AND SO WE'RE USING KIND OF OUR GENERAL RETAIL USE OF ONE PER 250.

AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SUCH A HIGH NUMBER. AND THE REALITY IS THAT FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING,

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SO IT PROBABLY IS A HIGH NUMBER. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE TOLD THEM TO DO A PARKING STUDY SO THEY COULD SEE WHAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE.

SO THEY LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. FIRST WAS THE ITE PARKING GENERATION MANUAL WHICH THAT FOUND THAT LOOKING AT THE 85TH PERCENTILE PARKING DEMAND RATE, IT WOULD BE 3.08 VEHICLES PER 1000FT² OF GROSS FLOOR AREA.

SO THEY TOOK THAT, BUT THEY APPLIED IT TO A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND THE REASON WHY THEY DID THAT IS BECAUSE THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT THEY NORMALLY USE FOR KIND OF THEIR MODEL IS 15,000FT².

SO WHILE THIS BUILDING IS ALMOST TWICE THAT, THEY ARE NOT PLANNING TO INCREASE PRODUCTION FROM WHAT THEIR TYPICAL 15,000 SQUARE FOOT MODEL DOES, SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF NUMBER OF PAINT BOOTHS.

SAME NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD USE THOSE.

SO IT'LL BE A ROOMY SITE. BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING THEY DON'T THEY EXPECT IT TO BE THE SAME TYPE OF PRODUCTION BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE SAME EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WOULD IN THEIR NORMAL 15,000 SQUARE FOOT MODEL.

SO BASED ON THAT, USING THE 15,000 SQUARE FOOT MODEL, THEY WOULD NEED 47 SPACES.

AND THEN THEY ALSO DID A PROJECT WHERE THEY COUNTED OR OBSERVED THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WERE BEING UTILIZED AT EXISTING FACILITY.

AND SO THIS JUST PULLED OUT THE THE TIME OF DAY WHERE THEY HAD THE HIGHEST NUMBER.

AND SO THE HIGHEST NUMBER THEY SAW PARKED AT ONE OF THEIR 15,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITIES WAS 23 SPACES THAT WERE BEING USED.

SO EVEN IF WE DOUBLED THAT GOING TO A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, YOU WOULD STILL BE AT 46.

ASSUMING YOU WERE DOUBLING THE CAPACITY. SO BASED ON THOSE CALCULATIONS, THEY DO FEEL LIKE THE 53 PARKING SPACES WILL BE ADEQUATE FOR THEIR NEEDS. SO HERE AGAIN IS THAT CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN IS THE CAPTION FOR WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED.

THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. LEXIN IS THIS PARKING DEVIATION OR IS THIS VARIANCE TIED ONLY TO THIS ONE USE? IF IT TURNS OUT TO NOT BE AUTO BODY THEN IT WOULD.

THIS WOULD BE VOIDED. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU ALL WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? OKAY.

HEATHER RIMMER 1517. MARSH RIDGE, CARROLLTON, TEXAS.

I AM WITH THE DEVELOPER. I HAVE THIS PRESENTATION, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO DO WITH THIS PARKING THING, SO I PROBABLY WON'T WASTE YOUR TIME ON THE PRESENTATION ITSELF.

JUST. I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DEPTH ON THE THE BUILDING BEING DOUBLE THE SIZE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR CALIBRE TO GET INTO FLOWER MOUND, AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THE CORPORATE OFFICE THAT WOULD REALLY LOVE TO HAVE PRESENCE IN FLOWER MOUND. AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID THERE'S THAT SMALL LITTLE SECTION THAT HAS INDUSTRIAL ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT CALIBRE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND PUT UP A SHOP.

SO THEY DECIDED LET'S JUST GO WITH AN EXISTING BUILDING THEN.

AND SO WITH THE PRICE THAT IS BEING PAID FOR THE BUILDING AND THE SITE ITSELF, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO RIP THE BUILDING DOWN AND START OVER BECAUSE IT JUST WOULDN'T IT WOULD NEVER MAKE MONEY, HONESTLY, IF YOU HAD TO BUILD GROUND UP BUILDING ALSO.

SO THEY'RE JUST DECIDING TO USE THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE.

THE OFFICE IS DOUBLE THE SIZE IT NEEDS TO BE.

THE SHOP IS A WEIRD CONFIGURATION, SO IT'S JUST NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE BUILDING.

BUT AGAIN, IT WORKS OUT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT COMES FROM, OF HAVING A LARGER STRUCTURE THAN WHAT THEY REALLY NEED.

BUT YOU KNOW, AS AS IT WAS SAID, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY MORE PAINT BOOTHS.

THERE'S NO MORE TECHS THERE. THERE'S THERE'S REALLY NOT GOING TO BE MORE PRODUCTION BECAUSE THERE REALLY ISN'T ADEQUATE SPACE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

THE WAY THAT CALIBER RUNS CARS THROUGH AND DOES THEIR DAILY ACTIVITIES.

WITH THIS SHOP, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 15 PROBABLY EMPLOYEES TO 20 MAX.

ON A TYPICAL DAY, THERE'S MAYBE 8 TO 10 CUSTOMERS THAT ARE GOING TO COME AND GO ALL DAY LONG THAT THEY'RE OPEN 2 TO 3 DROP OFFS OF A CAR.

AND WITH THAT, THE DROP OFFS. THIS FACILITY IS NOT A WRECK FACILITY, SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE CARS THAT ARE TOTALED SITTING OUT THERE IN THAT LOT.

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THEY'RE PULLING THOSE PARTS AND PUTTING NEW PARTS ON AND THEN PAINTING IT, AND IT'S GETTING OUT OF THERE.

SO THEY'RE NOT BEATING OUT METAL PIECES OF CARS LIKE BODY SHOPS THE WAY YOU THINK OF THEY FUNCTION.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE THAT. THE REASON THAT THEY DO WANT AND ALWAYS DO, PUT A FENCE AROUND THE BACK LOT THAT THEY CALL THE STORAGE AREA, IS JUST FOR SECURITY OF THE CARS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME THAT MAYBE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A WINDOW THAT WON'T ROLL UP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S JUST FOR THE SAFETY OF THE VEHICLES. IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY JUST LOOK AWFUL FOR THE MOST PART, SITTING BACK THERE THEY'LL PROBABLY BE 2 TO 3 ESTIMATES ALSO IN THAT DAY TIME SPAN.

SO THEY'RE ONLY OPEN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THEY'RE OPEN 8 TO 5, SO THEY DON'T HAVE WEEKEND TRAFFIC, WHICH IS GOOD FOR THAT HIGHLY CONGESTED, YOU KNOW, BUSY INTERSECTION THAT'S THERE TO HAVE A FACILITY LIKE THAT THAT'S NOT BRINGING A TON OF CARS IN AND OUT ALL DAY LONG. AND ON THE WEEKENDS IT'S NOT BRINGING ANY.

SO I GUESS IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, BUT IT JUST TALKS ABOUT THE BUSINESS, REALLY. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO SEE THE PRESENTATION. I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR CUT. I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY A CLEARING AREA. ANYWAY, IT'S NOT A TREED AREA.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH FLATTENED. AND THEY IT'S INDUSTRIAL, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT MY CONCERN WAS ALWAYS THAT THAT TRAFFIC THAT'S THERE.

BUT LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD IMPOSE ON TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A HIGH VOLUME OF PEOPLE COMING THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE DROPPING OFF A CAR, AND THEN THE CAR IS THERE FOR LIKE A WEEK OR TWO OR WHATEVER.

SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.

BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WITH THE TRAFFIC BEING IMPOSED ON DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE ON THAT? SO THE BASIC ASK IS, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A PARKING LOT IN THE BACK WHERE YOU CAN PUT THE CUSTOMERS CARS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON? I MEAN, I THINK I GET THAT YOU DON'T NEED A LOT OF PARKING. IT'S NOT LIKE PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING, BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS JUST THIS ONE THING. LESS PEOPLE LESS PARKS. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THEN THERE'S YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A MASONRY WALL AROUND IT. DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF OTHER REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING REQUIRED.

THE SELLERS OF THIS SITE DO, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE REST OF IT.

AND THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A KICK OFF OF, OKAY, LET'S GET SOMETHING MOVING.

HE DOES HAVE ONE BUILDING VACANT. ANOTHER ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE MOVED OUT YET.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO END UP MOVING OUT. SO THEY WILL HAVE SOME PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHAT TO DO WITH.

BUT BUT THIS IS THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT HAVING A NATIONAL RETAILER THAT WILL COME IN AND, AND KICK OFF SOMETHING HOPEFULLY.

OKAY. YEAH. IT SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME. IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IF NO OTHER COMMENTS. DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? MAYOR. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF MISC25-0003 CALIBER COLLISION AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. OKAY. TRACI. IF YOU'LL TAKE THE ROLL.

IT STARTS WITH THE T. [LAUGHTER] I KNOW. COUNCIL MEMBER DREW.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. OKAY. ITEM J.3 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTES.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY REPORT ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR WORK SESSION.

[L. WORK SESSION ITEM ]

JOHN, ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK ON THIS OR JUST NEWGEN.

OKAY. AND NOW THEY CAME. YOU ALL CAME BEFORE, CHRIS, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND AND PRESENTED ON THE STORMWATER RATES. SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT. THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF OUR DISCUSSION FROM LAST TIME.

AGAIN CHRIS EGGERT WITH NEWGEN. PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU TONIGHT.

AS I GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO STOP ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT REALLY, AGAIN, BUILDING OFF OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WE WHEN I WAS WITH YOU LAST TIME, WE WERE LOOKING AT IMPERVIOUS AREA AND HOW WE CONSTRUCT A STORMWATER FEE BASED ON IMPERVIOUS AREA.

AND SO I DO WANT TO START TONIGHT AGAIN, JUST RECAPPING OUR LAST DISCUSSION.

OUR CURRENT REVENUE GENERATION, UNDER OUR CURRENT METHOD OF CHARGING OUR CURRENT FEES, IS ABOUT $2.19 MILLION A YEAR ON THE STORMWATER SIDE.

WHEN I WAS WITH YOU LAST TIME, WE TALKED ABOUT SETTING THE ERU, THE EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT THAT IS NECESSARY SO THAT WE HAVE A FEE PER ERU AND WE CAN MAINTAIN EQUITY IN CHARGES BETWEEN ALL OUR CUSTOMERS.

WHEN WE DUG INTO THE ERU AND CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT.

ONE THING THAT WE DID NOTICE IS THE TOWN DOES HAVE SOME OUTLIERS IN TERMS OF IMPERVIOUS AREA.

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I DID WANT TO POINT OUT FOR YOU TONIGHT, WE HAVE REVISED THAT BASED ON THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'RE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING BECAUSE OF THOSE OUTLIERS THAT YOU LOOK AT THE MEDIAN.

THE MEDIAN SQUARE FOOTAGE, THAT'S 4675FT². SO AGAIN, THERE IS A REDUCTION THERE IN THAT AREA.

WE FEEL THAT'S MORE EQUITABLE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THOSE OUTLIERS.

BUT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT NUMBER CHANGE IN THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT, RECOMMENDING THAT YOU USE THE 4675FT² FOR THAT ERU VALUE. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THAT AS WE GO THROUGH.

WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING LAST TIME AGAIN, I POINTED OUT THAT YOU DO HAVE A THREE TIER RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN ASKED IF WE COULD LOOK AT MAINTAINING SOME KIND OF THREE TIERED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE INSTEAD OF JUST MAINTAINING A FLAT, UNIFORM CHARGE PER ERU BASICALLY TREATING ALL RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS THE SAME.

SO WHAT WE DID DO IS WE WENT IN AND LOOKED AT THAT RESIDENTIAL TIER, HOW THEY'RE STRUCTURED RIGHT NOW.

SO YOU HAVE THOSE THREE GROUPINGS BASED ON THE ACREAGE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND WE PICKED OUT THE MEDIAN SQUARE FOOT WITHIN THOSE THREE TIERS.

AND WE ESTABLISHED A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TIERS BASED ON THE MEDIAN SQUARE FOOT WITHIN THE TIERS.

AND SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE UNDER ERU VALUE, IF WE WERE TO FOLLOW A METHODOLOGY LIKE THIS AND MAINTAIN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOSE TIERS THE MAJORITY OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WOULD BE CONSIDERED 0.97 ERU.

BUT THEN I DO WANT TO NOTE THE 1 TO 5 ACRES. THAT'S 2.19 ERUS, ABOVE FIVE ACRES, THAT'S 4.26 ERUS. WHAT THIS WOULD MEAN IS YOU'D MAINTAIN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THAT FIRST TIER AND THE THIRD TIER.

ULTIMATELY, WHATEVER YOU CHARGE THE FIRST TIER, YOU WOULD CHARGE THAT THIRD TIER OVER FOUR TIMES WHAT THAT FIRST TIER CHARGES.

SO JUST NOTE THAT. IS IT NOT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE DO TODAY? IT IS EXACTLY OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU DO TODAY RIGHT NOW.

YOU CHARGE LARGER PROPERTIES LESS THAN YOU CHARGE SMALLER PROPERTIES.

SO EFFECTIVELY WHAT THIS IS DOING IS TAKING A DECLINING RATE AND FLIPPING IT TO GO TO AN INCLINING RATE IS ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AGAIN, THE IDEA HERE IS LOOKING AT THESE PROPERTIES, LOOKING AT THE RUNOFF, THE IMPERVIOUS AREA, THE AREA THAT CREATES RUNOFF, TYING THAT TO BE THE BENEFIT THAT YOU'RE RECEIVING FROM THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE THIS IS THE THREE TIERED STRUCTURE.

I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT THIS DOES NUMERICALLY.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT THIS WOULD HAVE ON YOUR RESIDENTS AS WE LOOK AT THESE FIGURES.

AND SO AGAIN, I'LL SHOW YOU SOME OF THAT AS WE WALK THROUGH THIS.

SO AGAIN, JUST PROVING OUT THE MATH HERE, LOOKING AT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF OVERALL AIR USE.

UNDER THE TIERED STRUCTURE, YOUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS WOULD BE 26,088.

YOU SEE THAT IN THE FAR RIGHT HAND COLUMN. IF YOU MAINTAINED A SINGLE STRUCTURE, YOUR TOTAL RESIDENTIAL ERUS WOULD BE 24,400.

WHY THIS MATTERS AGAIN? A RATE IS SIMPLY A FRACTION DOLLARS DIVIDED BY UNITS, OUR ERUS ARE OUR UNITS.

SO IF WE HAVE A SMALLER NUMBER OF ERUS, THE FEE HAS TO BE HIGHER TO GENERATE THE SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND LOOK AT THOSE, LOOK AT THOSE FIGURES.

BUT AGAIN YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE THESE COME UP AGAIN.

BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S HOW WE DERIVED OUR ERUS COUNTS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE? ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL SIDE. AGAIN, YOU SAW THIS SLIDE WHEN I WAS WITH YOU LAST TIME.

WE'VE COME IN, CONTINUED TO REFINE OUR IMPERVIOUS AREA ANALYSIS FOR THOSE NONRESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS USING THE 4675FT² AS THE ERU VALUE, DIVIDING THE IMPERVIOUS AREA, 67.2,000,000FT² BY THE 4675 GIVES YOU NONRESIDENTIAL ERUS OF 14,376.

THIS IS WHERE THAT CHANGE COMES IN WHEN WE REDUCED THE ERU SIZE THAT DOES GIVE US MORE ERUS ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL SIDE. SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST ONE THING TO NOTE THAT CHANGE DID HAVE THAT IMPACT.

BUT AGAIN, AS WE LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES JUST FROM A STATISTICAL STANDPOINT, THE MEDIAN SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE, GIVEN THAT YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE OUTLIERS THAT PULL THAT AVERAGE UP.

SO AS WE START TO LOOK AT FEE STRUCTURE, LET'S JUST LOOK RIGHT NOW AT THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE UNDER THAT CURRENT STRUCTURE COLUMN.

AGAIN THIS IS HOW YOU CHARGE RIGHT NOW $6 FOR LESS THAN AN ACRE FOR A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

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THIS IS THAT DECLINE THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT JUST MOMENTS AGO.

IF YOU WERE TO GO WITH THE THREE TIER STRUCTURE AND LOOK AT MAINTAINING THE SAME OVERALL LEVEL OF REVENUE, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT THAT $2.19 MILLION, THAT WOULD BRING DOWN THAT LESS THAN ONE ACRE FEE TO $4.40.

BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT WHAT THAT DOES TO THE GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY THAT PAYS 4.40 RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD JUMP THAT, MAINTAINING THE RATIOS, MAINTAINING EQUITY, IT WOULD JUMP THAT CHARGE TO $19.26 A MONTH.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY? I MEAN, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS FIVE ACRES IN A SINGLE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY TAKING WATER.

NOT. AGAIN. NOT CAUSING RUNOFF. I'LL WALK BACK TO SO WHAT WE'RE, SO LOOKING RIGHT HERE UNDER MEDIAN SQUARE FEET WHEN WE'RE MORE THAN FIVE ACRES, WHEN WE GO THROUGH OUR ANALYSIS, THE MEDIAN IMPERVIOUS AREA FOR THAT PROPERTY.

IT'S A LARGER PROPERTY. IT HAS MEDIAN IMPERVIOUS AREA OF 19,928FT².

SO IT'S A LARGER PROPERTY. IT DOES HAVE MORE RUNOFF AREA.

YOU ARE CORRECT. IT'S A LARGER PROPERTY AND CAN POTENTIALLY HANDLE MORE RUNOFF, BUT IT'S ALSO PRODUCING MORE RUNOFF.

NOT NECESSARILY PRODUCING RUNOFF. RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S GOT TREES.

IT'S GOT DIRT. IT DOES IT DOESN'T HAVE CONCRETE THAT THAT WOULD CAUSE RUNOFF.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST BASING THIS ON OUR ANALYSIS LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THE HOME, LOOKING AT THE SIDEWALKS, THE DRIVEWAYS, EVERYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY THAT CREATES RUNOFF.

SO WE'RE REALLY JUST FOCUSED ON THAT ELEMENT.

IF I COULD COUNCILMEMBER WARNER, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION AS THIS WAS, AS WE WERE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE IT SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT I THINK THE BEST ANALOGY THAT WAS SHARED WITH ME TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND IS JUST IMAGINE THAT YOU HAVE FIVE ACRES AND YOU HAVE A LONG DRIVE.

AND SO IF YOU HAVE THAT LONG DRIVE THAT GOES SEVERAL THOUSAND FEET TO YOUR PARTICULAR PLACE, IF YOU KIND OF CONDENSE THAT DOWN TO LIKE A, IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF LIKE A LARGE PARKING LOT OF SOME OF THAT NATURE.

SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF LAND, BUT IF YOU HAVE A LONG DRIVE THAT GOES TO YOUR HOME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHEN IT WAS EXPLAINED THAT WAY HELPED ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, EVERY HOUSE IS GOING TO BE POSITIONED AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, BUT YOU HAVE FIVE ACRES, AND IF YOUR PROPERTY IS SET FURTHER BACK IN THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, YOU HAVE A LONG DRIVE THAT COUNTS AS THAT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.

AND SO IT'S LIKE IF YOU DO IT LONG WAYS, IT SAYS, OKAY, THAT'S NOT A LOT.

BUT IF YOU KIND OF CONSOLIDATED IT STARTS TAKING UP MORE SPACE.

AND SO IT GENERALLY IN THOSE AREAS YOU HAVE LARGER HOMES DOWN THERE TOO.

SO AS WE WENT AND LOOKED AT, I HAD THE SAME INITIAL REACTION.

BUT AS I EXPLAINED IT AND YOU SEE THE NUMBERS UP THERE JUST FOR THAT MEDIAN SQUARE FOOTAGE IS YES, THERE'S A LOT OF AREA THAT COULD SOAK UP THE WATER, BUT IT'S ALSO A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THOSE PROPERTIES TOO.

SO I HOPE THAT HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS. THAT HELPED ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER. I'M NOT SOLD BUT KEEP GOING.

COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WHEN I LOOK AT THIS TIER STRUCTURE ANALYSIS THERE IS THAT QUESTION OF EQUITY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT FOUR TIMES THE FEE, IS THAT TRULY EQUITABLE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, WHEN I WAS WITH YOU LAST TIME, WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY JUST MAINTAINING THE SAME CHARGE, TREATING ALL RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS THE SAME. BUT BACK ON THAT FEE STRUCTURE AGAIN.

LOOKING AT THE THREE TIER STRUCTURE, YOU SEE THE IMPACTS THERE.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS THERE. ONE IS MAINTAINING THE SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE.

ONE IS MAINTAINING THE SAME FEE. SO AGAIN YOU CHARGE $6 RIGHT NOW TO THE MAJORITY OF YOUR CUSTOMERS.

AND YOU WOULD SEE MAINTAINING THOSE RATIOS, MAINTAINING THE RELATIONSHIP, WHAT THAT DOES.

ON THE FLAT STRUCTURE SIDE, IF WE WERE MAINTAINING THE SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE AGAIN, OUR TRUE VALUE WAS SMALLER.

SO THAT FEE DOES COME UP. BUT AGAIN, UNDER THAT SAME FEE, WE WOULD TREAT ALL RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS THE SAME $6 REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THE OVERALL PROPERTY. SO TAKING THESE SCENARIOS, WE THEN WALK FORWARD TO WHAT IS THE IMPACT TO NONRESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE THE IDEA IS ONCE YOU SET THAT FEE PER ERU, YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT RELATIONSHIP AS YOU MOVE FORWARD AND CHARGE YOUR NONRESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. THEY SHOULD BE CHARGED THE SAME FEE PER AIR YOU AS YOU'RE CHARGING YOUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE ON DETENTION CREDIT, PLEASE? SO YOU DO HAVE IN YOUR ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY FOR A DETENTION CREDIT.

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SO WE GO IN AND ADJUST FOR THAT UNDER THAT DETENTION CREDIT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY FROM CITY STAFF CAN SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THE DETENTION CREDIT, JOHN. OKAY. THERE WE GO. SO WE WENT AND LOOKED BACK AT THE DETENTION CREDITS.

SOME OF THE REASONS I THINK IT WAS DONE AT THE TIME WAS TO ENCOURAGE THOSE DETENTION AREAS WITHIN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AS THEY WERE DEVELOPING, BUT OVERALL, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS SEEN OR RECOMMENDED IN DOING WHEN BUILDING A RATE STRUCTURE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A POND MIGHT GET THE ATTENTION CREDIT, BUT THE NEXT ONE OVER DOESN'T BECAUSE THEY DON'T.

THEY WERE BUILT BEFORE THE POND. THEY COULD STILL APPLY FOR IT.

BUT YEAH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO AND WHOLESALE APPLY FOR IT. AND SO LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE BASICALLY HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT ABOUT EVEN SMALL RESIDENCES WHERE THEY JUST HAVE A RAINWATER COLLECTION? I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T BELIEVE RAINWATER COUNTY. CREEK SWIMMING POOL, YOU KNOW.

NO. AWESOME. SO AGAIN, IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE SEE OFTEN.

YOU DO HAVE SOME CUSTOMERS THAT ARE UNDER THAT.

SO WE'VE TRIED TO MAINTAIN THAT REFLECTING THAT STRUCTURE.

SO BUT AS WE LOOK AT OUR NONRESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS AGAIN MAINTAINING RELATIONSHIP HERE THREE TIER STRUCTURE, IF WE WERE GOING TO GENERATE THE SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE.

THAT FIRST PROPERTY THAT WE PULLED OUT AS A IS A VETERINARIAN'S OFFICE 8.1 ERUS.

RIGHT NOW THEY'RE CHARGED 45.20. IF YOU DID THE THREE TIER RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE MAINTAINING SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE, THEIR CHARGE WOULD BE 36.61. SO THAT'S A MONTHLY REDUCTION OF $8 AND $0.59.

IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO A THREE TIER RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE BUT MAINTAIN THE $6 FEE, IT INCREASES THAT PROPERTY TO 48.60.

SO THAT'S $3.40 A MONTH. ON THE FLAT STRUCTURE.

SAME TYPES OF RELATIONSHIPS THERE. AGAIN, SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE.

OUR ERU FEE WAS $4.71, SO THEY'D SEE A $7 MONTHLY REDUCTION.

WHEREAS THAT $6 FEE YOU MAINTAIN THAT 3.40. SO THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE STRUCTURED THIS TABLE, THESE FOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. WE'VE STARTED WITH SMALL COMMERCIAL. WE THEN PICKED OUT A MEDIAN COMMERCIAL PROPERTY RIGHT NOW THAT'S CHARGED 61.60.

BUT THAT MEDIAN COMMERCIAL. EXCUSE ME. MEDIUM COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

THE ERU VALUE IS REALLY 8.2. ERUS. SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE CHARGED 61.60 VERSUS THE 45.20 EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ROUGHLY THE SAME SIZE AS THAT VETERINARIAN'S OFFICE.

SO HERE'S WHERE YOU START TO SEE SOME INTERESTING EQUITY ISSUES WITHIN YOUR CURRENT STRUCTURE.

THAT 61.60 WOULD FALL TO 37.06 UNDER THE THREE TIER RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.

SAME REVENUE. YOU SEE THAT THIS PARTICULAR CUSTOMER WOULD ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE THEY'RE CLASSIFIED RIGHT NOW UNDER THE NONRESIDENTIAL THREE TIER STRUCTURE AS THE MIDDLE TIER EVEN THOUGH IN TERMS OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, THEY HAVE ROUGHLY THE SAME IMPERVIOUS AREA AS THE SMALL COMMERCIAL OR THAT VETERINARY OFFICE. OUR THIRD CUSTOMER HERE, LARGE COMMERCIAL, THIS IS ACTUALLY A CHURCH 23.9 ERUS.

THEY PAY $78 A MONTH. YOU WOULD SEE IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE IT'S 23.9 ERUS, THEIR BILL WOULD GO UP AND YOU SEE WHAT THOSE WHAT THOSE EFFECTS ARE ACROSS THE BOARD. FINALLY, WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL SUPERSTORE.

THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGEST PROPERTIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

112 ERUS, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PAYING $78. THEIR MONTHLY BILL WOULD INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY AS YOU TAKE THAT FEE PER ERU TIMES THOSE ERU VALUES. SO AGAIN, VARIOUS IMPACTS ACROSS THE BOARD HERE LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS ERUS FOR THESE PROPERTIES. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS TAKE YOU BACK TO THE COMPARISONS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, AND SHOW YOU WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN THOSE COMPARISONS UNDER ALL OF THESE, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

SO WE START AGAIN WITH OUR LESS THAN ONE ACRE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, $6.

YOU SEE THE CURRENT FEE THERE. IF YOU WERE TO GO TO THE TIERED RATE, SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE, IT WOULD ACTUALLY DROP THAT CUSTOMER ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 4.40.

IF YOU STAYED WITH THE SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE BUT WENT WITH THE FLAT RATE, THE NON TIERED RATE WOULD DROP THEM TO 4.71.

THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS KEEP THEM WHERE THEY'RE AT AT $6 RIGHT NOW.

AS WE LOOK AT THAT MIDDLE TIER THE 1 TO 5. AND THIS IS WHERE I START GETTING SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT TIER STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER.

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5.20 GOING TO THE FLAT FEE WOULD TAKE THEM UP TO SIX.

YOU SEE THE MOVEMENT THERE. BUT THAT THAT TIERED STRUCTURE WOULD REALLY PUSH THEM UP.

YOU SEE THE 9.88 THERE AT THE TOP TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE.

AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE MAY HAVE SOME EQUITY ISSUES, PARTICULARLY AS YOU LOOK AT OTHER PROVIDERS IN THE AREA, SO THAT 9.88 REALLY WOULD PUT YOU TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE LIST.

WE REALLY SEE THIS JUMP OUT AS WE LOOK AT THAT TOP TIER.

AGAIN, LOOKING AT FOUR TIMES THE FEE UNDER THAT TIERED STRUCTURE.

RIGHT NOW THIS CUSTOMER IS THE LOWEST 4.40. YOU SEE WHERE THEY CURRENTLY ARE ON THE LIST.

YOU'RE ON THE LOWER END. MOVING THEM UP TO SIX WOULD PUT YOU CLOSER TO THE MIDDLE.

IF YOU DID THE TIERED STRUCTURE YOU'D BE AT THAT TOP END.

AND AGAIN THIS IS WHERE THIS IS WHERE WE THINK THIS BECOMES A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC IN TERMS OF THAT TIERED STRUCTURE.

SO THE THE NONRESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL REVENUE ASPECTS ARE THESE COMPARISONS TAKING IN SOME SORT OF NONRESIDENTIAL. SO THIS, THIS ASSUMES THE STRUCTURE.

SO ULTIMATELY WHAT IT'S AS WE GO BACK, LET ME BACK UP JUST RIGHT QUICK BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SAME REVENUE IN HERE.

YEAH. SO SAME SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE ASSUMES THAT REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU'RE CHARGING, YOU'RE GOING TO GENERATE $2.19 MILLION.

SO TO DO TO GENERATE THAT $2.19 MILLION, IT'S THE 4.40 HERE.

BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A THREE TIERED STRUCTURE.

BUT WHAT ABOUT I MEAN, SO THIS IS ONLY THE RESIDENTIAL REVENUE, RIGHT? SO THE 2.19 IS EVERYTHING. WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL.

WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL REVENUE FOR THE STORMWATER UTILITY I'VE GOT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT THIS DOES TO NONRESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

BUT THE REASON I'M FOCUSED HERE IS WHATEVER YOU DO FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS DRIVES WHAT YOU CHARGE YOUR NON RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

AGAIN, ANYTIME YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE, WE'RE GENERATING THE SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE OVERALL FOR THE UTILITY.

MOVING TOWARDS AN IMPERVIOUS STRUCTURE DOES PUSH MORE REVENUE RECOVERY TO NONRESIDENTIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

SO THEN THE SAME FEE WOULD INCREASE OUR REVENUES.

EXACTLY. WOULD INCREASE THAT. AND THE REASON I DON'T HAVE, THE REASON I DON'T HAVE THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF REVENUE IS I'VE GOT SOME POLICY QUESTIONS I NEED ANSWERED BEFORE WE CAN REALLY PIN DOWN THAT REVENUE AMOUNT.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN DREW, DID THAT HELP? I THINK SO.

I FEEL LIKE I MIGHT HAVE CONFUSED YOU EVEN MORE.

KEEP GOING. OKAY. TRYING TO THINK THROUGH IT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO AS WE LOOK AT SMALL COMMERCIAL, THIS IS THE VETERINARIAN WE LOOKED AT JUST A MOMENT AGO.

45.20. YOU SEE ALREADY TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE LIST, MAINTAINING THE SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE BRINGS THIS CUSTOMER DOWN.

IF YOU WERE TO MAINTAIN THAT $6 FEE FOR RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GENERATE A LITTLE MORE REVENUE.

BUT AGAIN, YOU SEE THAT THAT'S THAT'S PUSHING ACTUALLY ABOVE THAT CURRENT FEE OF 45.20.

FOR THE MEDIUM COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER. THIS IS THAT FAST FOOD RESTAURANT RIGHT NOW CHARGE 61.60 AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.

WE WOULD BE BRINGING THAT CUSTOMER DOWN WITHIN THIS COMPARISON.

SO YOU SEE 49.20 CHARGING THAT SAME $6 FEE WHETHER YOU DO IT TIERS OR NOT.

SO YOU SEE IT BRINGING DOWN TO 49.20. IF YOU ONLY MAINTAINED THE 2.19 MILLION, YOU SEE IT FALLING FURTHER DOWN THE LIST HERE.

AS WE LOOK AT THAT LARGE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER, IN THIS CASE, THIS WAS THE CHURCH.

RIGHT NOW THERE'S $78, YOU SEE ABOUT MIDDLE OF THE PACK TOWARDS YOU KNOW, RIGHT ABOVE SOUTHLAKE, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU LOOK AT THIS CUSTOMER, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE ERUS, IT WOULD DRIVE THAT MONTHLY FEE UP.

AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE THE COMMERCIAL SUPERSTORE, WHICH RIGHT NOW YOU CHARGE $78 A MONTH.

YOU CAN SEE DRIVING UP IN THIS COMPARISON USING THE SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE, YOU'D BE ABOUT THAT 506 OR 527.

USING THE $6 FEE, YOU'RE PUSHING A LITTLE HIGHER.

THEY'RE CLOSE TO THAT 672 MARK. SO AGAIN, YOU'RE TAKING A DECLINING STRUCTURE AND EFFECTIVELY CONVERTING IT TO AN INCLINING STRUCTURE, TRYING TO TIE THE MONTHLY BILL BACK TO THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OR THE STORMWATER RUNOFF THAT IS GENERATED.

BUT WITH THAT, WHAT I NEED FROM THE COUNCIL AT THIS POINT IS SOME POLICY DIRECTION.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THESE NUMBERS.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. BUT IN ORDER TO GET TO A FINAL RECOMMENDATION AND ULTIMATELY WHAT IS THE REVENUE TO BE GENERATED,

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GO AHEAD. YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. I AM ABSOLUTELY INTERESTED IN THREE TIER, BUT I DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU BROKE DOWN THE THREE TIERS.

FLAT TIERS. I, I THINK. YEAH, I THINK COUNCIL LIKE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RATES, THE FLAT RATE MAINTAINS THE REVENUE THAT WE THAT WE'VE HAD.

WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T IMPOSE ANY FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS FOR THE RESIDENTS.

[N. RECONVENE]

AND I REALLY DON'T THINK OUR COUNCIL WANTS TO.

AGREE BUT I THINK IT'S BASED ON THE WAY THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS SET UP, THE THREE TIER STRUCTURE.

IT'S COUNTING AGAINST AN AREA THAT HAS A LOT OF PERVIOUS SURFACE AND CALLING IT IMPERVIOUS AND CHARGING IT MORE. WELL, IT'S WORSE THAN THAT. THE LARGER LOTS ARE THE LEAST SERVED.

THAT TOO. YEAH. SO THEY. SO FOR ME IT WOULD BE THE FLAT TIERS FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL.

SAME FEE. ACTUALLY INCREASING THE FEE PROBABLY TO $7, IS WHAT WE NEED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS FOR ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE ASSISTANCE THAT THE STORMWATER SYSTEM NEEDS TO FUND IN REALLY, THE PARTS OF TOWN WHERE THERE HAVE THE LARGE LOTS BUT THE WORST STORMWATER FACILITIES.

SO WE HAVE TO GENERATE SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE. RIGHT. WE'VE HAD SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES AND THAT'S COME FORWARD TO OUR COUNCIL.

AND I THINK UNFORTUNATELY THE WHOLE TOWN IS GOING TO HAVE TO PARTICIPATE. THERE'S JUST NO GETTING AROUND IT. BUT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE ARE DIALING UP THE COMMERCIAL ADJUSTMENTS SO QUICKLY MIGHT BE A PROBLEM. MAYBE WE NEED TO PHASE THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. THAT BRINGS ME TO THAT LAST QUESTION THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS, SHOULD THERE BE SOME TYPE OF A CAP OR SOME TYPE OF PHASE IN FOR THOSE NONRESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT JUMP THERE.

YEAH. SIMILAR TO WHAT ADAM. I LIKE HAVING THE SINGLE RATE FOR RESIDENTIAL INSTEAD OF THE THREE TIERS.

AS FAR AS THE TARGET RATE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT I WOULD DEFER TO YOU AND STAFF TO I THINK WE NEED TO RAISE MAYBE NOT TO SIX, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO BE, BUT TO ADAM'S POINT, I DO THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL EXPENSES WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TO FIND A WAY TO FUND.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE EXPENSES, LET'S FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO BE.

WHAT'S THE RATE NEED TO BE. AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS A BODY AND SAY WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

OR WE WANT TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. AND I DO THINK A PHASE IN FOR THE ESPECIALLY THE COMMERCIAL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU KNOW, BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WORKING, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS DAY AND DAY OUT AS YOUR DAY JOB, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'D RECOMMEND AS KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE A PHASE IN TO SEE WHAT YOU'D RECOMMEND.

OKAY. YEAH. SO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THIS FOR CHRIS PRESENTATION.

SO I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONFUSION OVER WHY WE CHARGE LARGER LOTS.

SO LARGER LOTS TRADITIONALLY HAVE A LOT MORE FRONTAGE ON ROADS.

AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LARGER DITCHES AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LARGER LONG TERM MAINTENANCE.

AND THAT'S THE KIND OF MAINTENANCE THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING TO INCREASE. AND SO THOSE LARGER LOTS WOULD HAVE US DO MORE WORK ON THOSE AREAS.

THEY ALSO HAVE MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA. THE LARGER LOT LIKELY THE LARGER YOUR HOUSE IS THE LARGER YOUR DRIVEWAY IS.

AND SO IT DOES. THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS BASED OFF OF THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA, NOT YOUR PERVIOUS SURFACE AREA.

SO IF WE WERE TO SAY IT WAS BASED OFF OF YOUR PERVIOUS SURFACE AREA, YOU WOULD UP IN THE ENTIRE RATE STRUCTURE BECAUSE YOU WOULD SAY RESIDENTS GET COUNTED IN ONE WAY AND THE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS DON'T. AND ULTIMATELY, WE WANT A RATE STRUCTURE THAT IS DEFENDABLE IF WE EVER HAVE TO GO TO THE PUC ABOUT IT.

AND SO THOSE ARE SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS.

THE $6 PER RESIDENT IS THE FEE THAT I'D RECOMMEND.

IT'S BECAUSE $2.1 MILLION WILL FUND THE BARE MINIMUM OF WHAT WE NEED, BUT THE $6 WILL ACTUALLY FUND, AND ALL OF THE MAPPING AND ADDITIONAL CAPITAL THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN NEEDING TO DO FOR YEARS.

SO WHEN WE HAD THAT BIG STORM AND WE HAD ALL THAT DEBRIS CLEANUP, WE WIPED OUT THE FUND BALANCE INTO THE STORM DRAINAGE FUND.

SO THIS IS ALSO TO HELP US GET BACK ON TRACK, PUT MONEY AWAY INTO OUR STORM DRAINAGE FUNDS.

SO IF WE EVER HAVE AN EVENT LIKE THAT AGAIN, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO TOUCH OUR GENERAL FUND OR PROPERTY TAXES. AND SO SOME OF THIS IS IN PREPARATION AND KIND OF SHORING UP THIS WHOLE RECALIBRATION HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS IN THE MAKING.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY IT SEEMS KIND OF LIKE A BIG SHOVEL. BUT THIS IS THE MOST NORMATIVE WAY YOU CAN CHARGE PEOPLE FOR STORM DRAINAGE.

AND SO I AGAIN, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO ADMINISTRATE A $6 BASE FEE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR RESIDENTIAL THAN IT IS TO HAVE STRUCTURED RATE TIERS, DISCOUNTS AND A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS. AND SO IT MAKES IT MORE ADMINISTRATIVELY FEASIBLE IF WE CAN KEEP ONE FLAT RESIDENTIAL FEE.

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THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. BUT I THINK IF I WERE ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTS, I'D SAY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A STORM WATER UNDERGROUND SYSTEM.

SO THE TOWN DIDN'T REALLY MAKE THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE DEVELOPER, WHOEVER, SO THEY MIGHT FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT GETTING A VERY GOOD DEAL.

AND SINCE WE JUST MET WITH THEM THIS WEEKEND, I THINK THEY WOULD PROBABLY, DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT GETTING A VERY GOOD DEAL. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THE FLAT RATE IS PROBABLY BETTER.

I MEAN, I GUESS IF SOMEONE HAS LIKE A THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF A HOUSE, THEY SHOULD PROBABLY PAY MORE. BUT IF IT'S NOT EASY TO ADMINISTER, THEN I THINK I'D ERR ON THE SIDE OF MAKING IT A LITTLE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.

AGREED. GIVEN THESE OPTIONS, THE FLAT I WOULD THINK IS ABSOLUTELY THE WAY TO GO.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON SOMETHING THAT JOHN REFERENCES IS, I THINK BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR MONTHS NOW, WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING IN A VACUUM AND CONSIDERATION SPECIFICALLY ON THE DECISION PACKAGE THAT ARE TIED TO A RESPONSE TO THAT.

BUT AS JOHN MENTIONED, THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TO DO FOR OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM THAT'S MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE OF THAT. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE BRING A ACTIONABLE ITEM TO YOU GUYS IN AUGUST IS JUST TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ALSO NEED TO REMAP OUR FLOODPLAINS.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DEAL WITH DRAINAGE, BUT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO, WE HAVE TO BUILD BACK UP. THAT'S THAT FUND BALANCE THAT WE DREW DOWN TO THE STORM LAST YEAR. SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO, AS YOU PUT THOSE CONSIDERATIONS OUT THERE.

AND DURING THE COURSE OF THE WEEKEND, I SHARED WHAT I INTEND TO DO WITH THAT GROUP AND MY RATIONALE, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO IT. SO IT MIGHT NOT BE A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY.

BUT I THINK IF WE'RE TRYING TO PENCIL UP AND CALCULATE THINGS, WE ALSO NEED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE'S OTHER EXPENDITURES THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, TOO, IN ADDITION TO ANYTHING THAT'S FUNDING WITH THOSE, THOSE ITEMS. SO HE ALLUDED TO THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE'RE NOT THIS ISN'T BEING DONE IN A VACUUM.

THERE'S JUST SOME BROADER THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM IN ADDITION TO.

AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM GOING IN ANY DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO, BUT I DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE A SURPRISE COMPONENT.

YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MAPPING. YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. THESE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO.

BUT WE CAN ALSO MAKE THOSE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, BE IT ADDITIONAL CREW OR OUR STUDY OR ULTIMATELY WHAT I WILL MORE THAN LIKELY RECOMMEND, WHICH IS RAISING THE RATE TO GENERATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE, THAT WE CAN COMPLEMENT OUR MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES THROUGH CONTRACTED WORK AND ASSISTANCE.

YEAH, YEAH. THIS HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN GOING ON ABOUT OUR DRAINAGE IN TOWN.

SO IF I COULD JUST RECAP VERY BRIEFLY. OH, YEAH.

SORRY. GO AHEAD. YEAH. CHRIS ACTUALLY WANTS TO SAY, WELL, IT WAS JUST MORE OF A QUESTION.

$6 IS THE NEW RATE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING RIGHT? 4.20 IS THE CURRENT. SO $6 IS WHAT YOU'RE CHARGING RIGHT NOW.

LET ME LET ME BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE.

SO $6. SO YOU SEE THE LESS THAN ONE ACRE YOU'RE CHARGING $6 RIGHT NOW.

SO UNDER THAT CURRENT STRUCTURE. YEAH OKAY. SO THEN RECAPPING THE THREE POLICY POINTS HERE.

$6 OR HIGHER FOR THE FEE. FLAT FEE. ALL, TREAT ALL RESIDENTS THE SAME FLAT FEE.

AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A PHASE IN STRUCTURE ON NONRESIDENTIAL.

IS THAT IS THAT CAPTURE EVERYTHING? YEAH. OKAY.

YEAH. PERFECT. THE $6 IS THE THE PRICE FOR THE ONE ERU ESSENTIALLY.

OKAY. SO OKAY. SO. LOOKING AT IT SLIGHTLY HIGHER.

YEAH. JUST IF THE ERU GOES UP A LITTLE MORE, THEN THAT'S GOING TO HIT THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES EVEN HARDER.

SO IT WOULD. AND THAT'S WHY THAT PHASE IN BECOMES.

OKAY. HOW HOW WE PHASE THAT IN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. CHRIS, THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. SO, MAYOR, BEFORE WE LEAVE, JUST TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.

SO THE NEXT CONVERSATION WITH THIS WILL BE ON AUGUST 21ST AT OUR WORK SESSION.

ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER IN BETWEEN CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT.

SO AUGUST 21ST WHEN WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH WITH THE BUDGET WORKSHOP IS WHERE WE'LL SOLIDIFY THIS CONVERSATION.

AND SO IF THERE'S ANY PERTINENT MOVEMENTS OR ANY ITEMS, WE'LL GIVE YOU A HEADS UP IN ADVANCE SO YOU'RE NOT KIND OF CAUGHT IN REAL TIME AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, BUT YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH THIS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT WAS KIND OF TRIGGERED BY BY BY SOMETHING THAT WAS HAPPENING IN A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT HOPEFULLY PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF REC STRUCTURE AT THIS POINT.

IT'S NOT A SIMPLE TASK. AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED ARE BORNE EXCLUSIVELY BY THIS PARTICULAR FUND.

AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

WE TRIED OUR BEST TO, TO TO LEVERAGE CHRIS. SO YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE GO.

AND WE JUST WANT TO PUT YOU IN THE BEST POSITION TO MAKE WHATEVER DECISION YOU CHOOSE. ONCE WE GET TO AUGUST 21ST.

SO IN THE IN BETWEEN WE'LL ENGAGE YOU IF WE HAVE ANY UPDATES.

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GET WITH ME AND WE'LL GET TIFFANY AND JOHN TOGETHER.

AND IF WE NEED TO PULL IN, CHRIS, WE CAN DO THAT TOO.

JUST TO GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS. OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU JAMES. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THAT WORK SESSION.

SO THE TIME IS NOW 7:40 THE TOWN COUNCIL IS CONVENING INTO A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551,

[M. CLOSED MEETING ]

AND AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF OUR CLOSED SESSION.

SO THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. GOOD NIGHT FLOWER MOUND.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.