Mar 20, 2025 Town Council Work Session

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GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING FLOWER MOUND. WELCOME TO OUR MARCH 20TH TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

WE WILL START TONIGHT WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMENT CARDS TONIGHT, FOLKS.

[B. PUBLIC COMMENT]

WE HAVE SOME DONATED TIME. WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THREE PEOPLE A TOTAL OF THREE CONTRIBUTORS.

SO, YOU CAN HAVE UP TO NINE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

SO, WE ARE GOING TO BE STRICT ON THAT TONIGHT.

SO IF YOU'LL KEEP THAT TO THE, THE TIME LIMIT AND WITH SORRY, I'M OUT OF BREATH WHEN YOU'RE UP TO 30 SECONDS LEFT, YOU'LL HEAR A BEEP. SO FIRST FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE HAVE CRAIG LUMBATIS, LUMBATIS, LUMBATIS. YEAH. AND JUST SAY YOU'RE JUST SO YOU GET TO START US OFF.

THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD. NO PRESSURE. SO JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS TOO.

OKAY. CRAIG LUMBATIS I'M 2955 SURVEYORS LANE.

AND THEN. OH, OKAY. HERE WE GO.

OKAY. YEAH.

ALRIGHTY. LET'S SEE. OH, YES, THEY HAVE SOME.

ALRIGHTY. I'M JUST HERE TO SPEAK, OF COURSE, ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND HOW IT IMPACTS OUR PROPERTY.

AND I JUST BROUGHT A FEW PHOTOS TO JUST KIND OF DEMONSTRATE THAT TO THE COUNCIL.

AND THIS, OF COURSE, SURVEYORS, THIS IS OUR FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY, AND SURVEYORS IS PARALLEL TO OUR HOUSE HERE.

AND THE WATER THAT RUNS DOWN SURVEYORS LANE FROM WOODRIDGE AND FROM FURTHER UP SURVEYORS, IT COMES ACROSS BECAUSE OUR DRAINAGE PIPES CAN'T HANDLE THE WATER. THE EXISTING WATER NOW WHEN IT RAINS.

SO IT COMES ONTO OUR PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES, THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT OF OUR PROPERTY AND RUNS AND FILLS UP OUR FRONT YARD AND THEN RUNS DOWN THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT SIDES OF OUR PROPERTY.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS JUST AFTER A STORM.

THIS IS THE SAME THING HERE. AND WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER HERE TO THE LEFT.

IF YOU LOOK, THIS IS WOODRIDGE, WHICH IS JUST UP SURVEYORS A BIT.

THESE PROPERTIES ALL OVERFLOW AND DRAIN DOWN THROUGH THE SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY HERE.

AND OVER TIME, IT'S JUST CAUSED A SEVERE EROSION TO THE POINT TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, WE HAVE EXPOSED CABLES THAT WERE AT ONE POINT BURIED ON THE PROPERTY HERE.

AND LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROBLEM THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE GETTING WORSE OVER TIME.

AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS ANOTHER PICTURE. THESE ARE ALL CABLES THAT HAVE AND YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF EROSION WE'VE HAD FROM ALL THIS, ALL THIS DRAINAGE PROBLEM HERE. AND THIS IS A VIDEO.

LET'S SEE. HERE WE GO. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO OUR PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS YOU CAN'T SEE IT'S BURIED WITH WATER.

BUT THIS IS WHERE THE CULVERT GOES UNDER OUR DRIVEWAY IN TWO PLACES, ONE FURTHER DOWN, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS RAIN RUNS BACK ALONG THIS SIDE HERE AS WELL.

BUT I'LL PLAY THIS VIDEO AND YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT THAT THE WATER HAS ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH HERE. AND THAT PICTURE I TOOK EARLIER WAS JUST DOWN THIS SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY.

SO THE WATER OVERFLOWS, IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THIS CULVERT FAST ENOUGH EITHER, AND IT FLOWS DOWN ALONG THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY.

SO, IT'S JUST OVER TIME HAS JUST REALLY HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON AND FINANCIALLY AS WELL.

IT'S A BIG FINANCIAL IMPACT BECAUSE I'VE DONE SOME WORK MYSELF TO TRY TO REDIRECT SOME OF THIS WATER ALONG THE SIDES OF OUR PROPERTY, BUT I JUST CAN'T I CAN'T HANDLE IT. SO THE EROSION OVER TIME IS, IS REALLY A BIG DEAL.

SO AND THAT'S ALL I WANT, ALL I WANTED TO SHOW.

AND I THINK THAT ANYMORE. I'M DONE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

HAVE 30 SECONDS. OH 30SECONDS. OKAY. YEAH. SO, I THINK THE MORE THAT WE ADD UPSTREAM OF THIS, OF COURSE, THIS IS ONLY GOING TO GROW AND IT'S GOING TO IMPACT US EVEN MORE.

SO I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE NANCY PROCTOR. HI.

HELLO. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? GOOD. YOU'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE MY VOICE.

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THEY HIS MOTHER PASSED AWAY, AND SO HE WAS THERE, UNABLE TO BE HERE TODAY.

IF I CAN PULL THIS DOWN. SORRY. FIRST, I WANT TO SHOW YOU THE MAP.

WE ARE IN I'M SORRY, 3414 RIDGE CREST DRIVE. AND IT AFFECTS SEVERAL PEOPLE.

THIS IS WHERE THE MAP STARTS FOR US ON RAINTREE.

IT COMES THROUGH THE DIRECTLY WHERE IT SAYS CALVIN FARMS. THAT IS THE GENTLEMAN SITTING RIGHT HERE? ADAM.

AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS MY PROPERTY. AND THEN THE GAMBLES AND THEN THE ANDERSONS AND SO ON AND SO ON DOWN TO THAT CULVERT.

BUT WE'RE REALLY STARTS. THE PROBLEM IS OVER ON RAINTREE FOR US, BECAUSE THAT CULVERT IS JUST DESTROYED.

AND SO IT ERODES THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY PRETTY HEAVILY.

AND ALSO ADAM'S. AND THEN IT RUNS THROUGH THE GAMBLES PROPERTY.

AND I DID SUBMIT I DIDN'T GET HIM IN IN TIME ENOUGH TODAY I APOLOGIZE, BUT I DID SUBMIT PICTURES OF THE ANDERSON PROPERTY LAST TIME I WAS UP HERE. WE SAW THOSE I KNOW, ANDY YOU SAW THEM AT THE OTHER MEETING WE WERE AT, THEIR DEVASTATING. THIS IS THE GAMBLES PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME.

NOW THEY DON'T HAVE HORSES, BUT WE DO. AND THEN BILL ANDERSON, WHO'S GOING TO COME UP AND TALK? HE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW FLOODED HIS PROPERTY DOES GET.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACK AND THAT'S A LARGE ANIMAL VET LIVING NEXT DOOR.

HIS GETS AT LEAST A FOOT, IF NOT DEEPER, AND IT'S MADE A BIG V.

THE GAMBLES FENCE IS WAY BACK THERE AGAINST THE BUSHES.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALREADY COMING UP TO THEIR MULCH RIGHT THERE WITH THEIR PLAYGROUND, AND THAT'S NOT TOO FAR FROM THEIR HOUSE.

AND THEN DOWN THE STREET, IT GETS INTO EVERYONE ELSE'S POOLS.

IT GETS INTO THEIR YARDS INTO THEIR HOMES. AND FOR US, IT ERODES THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY.

SO WE JUST PUT IN A NEW FENCE AND THEY HAD TO PUSH THE FENCE BACK SO THE POSTS WOULD STAY.

SO WE'VE ALREADY LOST A LITTLE BIT OF OUR PROPERTY TO BEGIN WITH.

BUT I THINK FOR US, OUR CONSIDERATION IS TO LOOK AT THESE CULVERTS AND HOW NOT JUST ON OUR PROPERTY THAT RUINS LIKE ONE, TWO, THREE, SIX AND THAT IT STARTS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO THERE'S I THINK THERE WAS SOME SORT OF SINKHOLE IN THAT AREA AT ONE POINT ON RAINTREE, AND IT JUST KEEPS GETTING WORSE OVER TIME.

AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE IF ALL OF US COLLECTIVELY CAN, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING.

MISS PROCTOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE TWO? YEAH. CAN YOU JUST POINT TO THE LOCATION OF THE CULVERT YOU WERE SAYING WAS IN BAD SHAPE? OKAY. RIGHT THERE. IT'S ON RAINTREE RIGHT THERE.

OKAY. AND WE'RE ON RIDGECREST. BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE ON BOTH SIDES OF RAINTREE.

AND AS I WAS WALKING THE OTHER DAY, YOU COULD SEE IT'S ALL.

THERE'S JUST CEMENT BLOCKS IN THERE. IT'S ALL KIND OF COMING IN.

IT'S OVERGROWN AND THAT GENTLEMAN ON HIS PROPERTY HERE, HE HAS HORSES AS WELL.

AND SO, ALL OF THEIR STUFF COMES DOWN AND THEN GOES ACROSS THE GAMBLE'S YARD AND THEN GOES INTO BILL'S YARD, WHICH HE HAS HORSES. NOW GOES INTO THE I'M GOING TO FORGET LORI'S LAST NAME.

I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT GOES INTO HER. IT'S FLOODED HER POOL.

THEY'VE HAD FECES IN THEIR POOL AND IN THEIR HOUSE, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO THE HOUSE AT THE CORNER, WHICH IT EVEN GETS WORSE. YEAH. THANK YOU. I KNEW ABOUT THE OTHER CULVERT ON, I THINK.

WHAT IS IT SUNSET. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE ONE ON RAINTREE, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE ONE ON RAINTREE IS THE ONE THAT STARTS OKAY. THE ONE ON THAT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WE HAVE BILL ANDERSON. I APPRECIATE THIS. I'VE LIVED HERE 20 YEARS.

I'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS FOR ALMOST THAT LONG.

2006 I CAME TO CITY COUNCIL, NOT THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT TO THE CITY OF FLOWER MOUND AND GOT NOTHING DONE ON 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT OCCASIONS THEY'D COME OUT TO MY HOUSE AND LOOK, MY PROBLEM IS THE CREEK THAT COMES.

I'M SORRY. DID YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? 3308 RIDGECREST DRIVE. BILL ANDERSON. BUT THEY'VE THEY HAVE PUT A LARGER CULVERT ABOVE ME ON RAINTREE. PROBABLY EIGHT YEARS AGO.

AND THAT JUST DROWNED ME. SO I'M AT YOUR MERCY.

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AND WHEN IT DOES, I CAN'T GET ACROSS MY BARN.

I HAD A HORSESHOER THERE ONE DAY, AND HE HAD TO WAIT AN HOUR AND A HALF FOR IT TO GO DOWN SO HE COULD EVEN GET BACK ACROSS IN HIS TRUCK.

AND MY NEIGHBORS BELOW ME, THEY'RE DROWNING TOO.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WILL BE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT ABOVE ME ON RAINTREE, JUST EAST OF WHERE THE BIG CULVERT IS, IT USED TO BE A DEEP CREEK, AND NOW IT'S FLAT, JUST LIKE THAT.

SO, THE WATER DOESN'T ACCUMULATE, JUST RUSHES RIGHT ACROSS AND THE CITY TOLD ME TO TALK TO THAT MAN AND FINALLY HAVE HIM DO IT HIMSELF.

AND HE WOULDN'T DO IT. I DON'T BLAME HIM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

BUT IF I HAVE MINIATURE HORSES SO I KEEP THEM IN ONE PATCH, ONE RAIN, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY CAN MAKE IT ACROSS.

BUT IT'S JUST IT'S A PROBLEM. BUT I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH IT A LONG TIME, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE.

SO THAT'S ABOUT IT. THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON. WE HAVE JERRY ENNIS.

ALL RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANY VIDEOS. I'M JERRY ENNIS, I MOVED ON.

WHAT ADDRESS? WHAT'S THE ADDRESS? 3504 RAINTREE.

I MOVED THERE IN 1978. IT WASN'T BUT ABOUT SIX HOUSES IN SHILOH ESTATES AND ROLLING HILLS HAD ABOUT EIGHT.

I'VE BEEN HAD A PROBLEM. I HAD A PROBLEM EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE.

AS THE YEARS WENT ON, THEY BUILT MORE HOUSES UPSTREAM.

SO THE CREEK, THE ROAD GOT WORSE, THE DRAINAGE.

THE PROBLEM IS ALL THE WATER HALF OF RAINTREE ON THE WEST SIDE ACCUMULATES IN MY FRONT YARD TO ONE CULVERT THAT GOES ACROSS THE STREET TO THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY BACK HERE.

THAT'S ONE CULVERT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. IT'S A 30 INCH CULVERT.

IT'S NEVER BEEN REPLACED. NOW, I CAME UP A FEW YEARS BACK.

THEY CAME OUT AND PUT A BIGGER CULVERT ON MY CIRCLE DRIVEWAY, WHICH DIDN'T HELP THE WATER GOING ACROSS THE STREET.

THE WATER ACCUMULATES IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, COVERS UP MY DRIVEWAY.

I'VE GOT WATER IN MY HOUSE THREE TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE AND IT'S A LAKE EVERY TIME IT RAINS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND THE WATER EVEN GOES OVER, OVER RAINTREE DRIVE OVER THE STREET. LAST TIME IT RAINED, IT CAME OUT AND WASHED HALF THE STREET AWAY.

THEY CAME OUT AND PUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE THEY PUT OUT THERE AND SOME THINGS TO COVER UP SOME HOLES OUT THERE.

AND HE'S STILL SITTING THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. SIX MONTHS AGO THEY PUT CONES OUT THERE AND THE ROAD IS CORRODED, ITS HOLES IN THE TOP OF THE ROAD RIGHT NOW. AND THAT WAS A NATURAL DRAIN THAT'S GOING DOWN THROUGH.

THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE FOR THE WATER TO GO THROUGH IN SHILOH ESTATES AND ROLLING HILLS.

THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE FOR THE WATER TO GO ACROSS AND GO DOWN THAT CREEK TO THE LAKE.

IT'S THE ONLY PLACE IT'LL GO. IT WON'T GO UPHILL.

YOU CAN'T TURN IT ANY OTHER WAY. AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT FOR 40, 40 SOMETHING YEARS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT OUT THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

I'VE LIVED WITH IT FOR THIS LONG. I GUESS I'M GOING TO LIVE WITH IT UNTIL I DIE.

OKAY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE TRENT CLARK.

THANKS. YEAH. TRENT CLARK, 3208 MIRACLE LANE. OUR PROPERTY AS WELL HAS THE SAME ISSUES.

WE HAVE A TRIBUTARY THAT GOES ACROSS MY PROPERTY AND OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY, THE KINGS, WHERE THEY LIVE.

IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROPERTY.

WE HAVE ALSO BRIDGES THAT GO ACROSS THE TRIBUTARY.

WHEN WE GET HEAVY RAINS, WE'LL GET A FOOT OF WATER OVER OUR BRIDGE.

SORRY. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF WATER. WE HAVE THE SMITH CONSERVATION AREA.

THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN, ABOUT A THIRD OF THAT PROPERTY AND ALL THE WAY UP SHILOH DRAINS THROUGH MY PROPERTY AND THE KINGS PROPERTY.

THAT'S THE DIRECTION IT'S GOING. THE CITY HAD IMPROVED SOME THINGS ABOUT SUPPOSEDLY IMPROVE THINGS 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO.

IT JUST REALLY INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF EROSION THROUGH OUR PROPERTY.

WE HAVE VERY LARGE TREES THAT ARE COMING DOWN.

SO WITH THE SMITH CONSERVATION AREA, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT CONSERVING US.

IT'S YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT IT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING ON THEIR PROPERTY.

ALL THOSE HOMES BEHIND US ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH OUR PROPERTY.

SO WE DO NEED SOME HELP OUT THERE. AND I'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES AT THE CITY TALKING WITH PEOPLE,

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SO AND I KNOW THE KINGS DEAL WITH IT AS WELL.

SO IF Y'ALL CAN, ANYBODY CAN HELP US OUT WITH THAT IN THIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

WE WOULD SURE APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S ALL I GOT.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE ADAM PILOT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR CHERYL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TOWN COUNCIL. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I DO HAVE MORE THAN ONE TOPIC. I'M GOING TO START WITH THIS.

I'M ADAM PILOT, 3424 RIDGECREST DRIVE, AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN AS CALVIN'S FARM.

SO, THE PROPERTY THERE THAT HAS THE SEASONAL CREEK BEHIND IT.

SO, ONE THING I WANT TO ADDRESS IS I THINK WE HAVE A LANGUAGE PROBLEM.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE FOR A TOWN MEETING REGARDING STORMWATER DRAINAGE, BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SEASONAL CREEK MANAGEMENT.

AND SO, THIS ISSUE FLOWS INTO MUCH BROADER ISSUES THAT ARE BEYOND HOW WE MANAGE DRAINAGE FOR THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S ABOUT HOW WE MANAGE THE CROSS TIMBERS. OKAY.

SO I'M GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT. I'M GOING TO PIVOT. I'M HERE TO BRING ANSWERS. BUT SPECIFICALLY ON THIS PROBLEM, THE FIRST THING THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR. RIDGECREST DRIVE NORTH OF CALVIN'S FARM 16 INCHES, THE CULVERT DUG OUT FOR THE ONE PROPERTY BETWEEN ME AND CLAYTON, MISS SHIRLEY. 16 INCHES OF CULVERT. DONE, AND THAT WILL MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF RAIN THAT ALL COMES FROM RIDGECREST, DOWN CALVIN'S FARM INTO THE SEASONAL CREEK. YOU WANT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO GO DOWN RIDGECREST TO VALLEY VIEW FIRST.

OKAY. SO THAT'S AN EASY FIX NUMBER ONE, PUT IT ON THE LIST.

GREAT. THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE. THE SECOND ISSUE IS THAT YOU'LL SEE THE INITIATION POINT ON THE MAP OF THE SEASONAL CREEK.

THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY. I JOG THIS PROPERTY EVERY DAY FOR EIGHT YEARS.

THE WHOLE SURROUNDING FIVE MILES. OKAY. THAT IS, WE LIVE ON RIDGECREST DRIVE.

IT IS A HIGH POINT, BUT IT IS SURROUNDED. YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP, WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE SWELLS OF WATER. OKAY.

THERE IS NO FIX FOR THIS SEASONAL CREEK THAT COMES THROUGH OUR BACKYARDS, UNLESS YOU REDIRECT THE WATER TO GO THAT WAY TOWARDS SHILOH.

OKAY. SO, THE REAL ANSWER. HOPEFULLY I CAN GET THIS DONE IN ONE MINUTE. I THINK I CAN. THE REAL MANAGEMENT, THE REAL ISSUE HERE IS, IS GOVERNMENT FAILURE AT EVERY LEVEL.

OKAY, OUR GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED US OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, EIGHT YEARS, 16 YEARS, AND DEFINITELY NOW LOCALLY, I AM 100% AGAINST PROPOSITION A AND AGAINST PROPOSITION B.

THE REASON IS THAT YOU'RE RUNNING A $325 MILLION ENTITY, AND YOU'RE USING IT ALL EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

IF YOU WANT TO BUY SOMETHING, MANAGE THAT ENTITY PROPERLY, HAVE A 10% SURPLUS EVERY YEAR, AND THEN PAY CASH WHEN YOU'RE READY, OKAY. AND TO THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE, THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE CROSS TIMBERS AS POSSIBLE. THIS GOVERNMENT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT.

I'LL GIVE YOU ABOUT 20 MORE SECONDS. AFTER THAT.

AFTER THAT, MARK, YOU CAN KEEP GOING. THANK YOU.

SO, WE AS A COMMUNITY, CANNOT EXPECT THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND TO MAINTAIN THE CROSS TIMBERS.

THE STATE GOVERNMENT WON'T DO IT. THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT WON'T DO IT.

WE'RE ALL HERE TO COMPLAIN. MY ANSWER IS THAT THERE'S SUCH A THING AS A REG CF.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PRIVATELY FUND AND BUY UP LAND.

THAT'S MY OPINION. THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT AS PARKS LAND AND LEFT IT VACANT.

AND THAT IS THE ANSWER. AND IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL WITH IT, THEN GREAT.

PUT TWO CABINS ON 25 ACRES AND CALL IT AN EXTENSION OF TWIN COVES.

OKAY. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS LIKE, OH, LET'S FACILITATE DEVELOPERS AND LET'S LET THEM STRIP MINE EVERYTHING THAT WE BELIEVE IN AND EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT TO SEE AT CALVIN'S FARM, THE WILDLIFE AND ALL OF THAT.

YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO BE DESTROYED. IF YOU USE LANGUAGE LIKE CIVIL ENGINEERING DRAINAGE, STOP IT. THAT DOESN'T EVEN THAT'S NOT EVEN THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVE.

IT'S NOT THE RIGHT LANGUAGE. THEY'RE SEASONAL CREEKS OKAY.

AND WE NEED TO MANAGE ALL OF THE SEASONAL CREEKS TOGETHER.

I'M GOING TO HAVE I'M SORRY. I'M DONE. WE HAVE SO MANY I'M TRYING TO BE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, I'M TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL TO EVERYBODY SPEAKING TONIGHT AND CONSISTENT.

AND THANK YOU. TABITHA WILSON OR DID I SAY YOUR. IS IT TABITHA WILSON? YES. 6404 HILLCREST.

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OH, I'M SORRY. I'M. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU CAN JUST CLOSE THIS OUT UP HERE.

IT'S A LITTLE STICKY. THERE YOU GO. SO, RAINTREE RUNS DOWN, RIDGECREST RUNS DOWN.

HILLCREST RUNS THIS WAY AT THE BOTTOM. SO, HE'LL AND MY PROPERTY.

HILLCREST GOES DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND THEN IT GOES BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEN THERE'S MEADOWCREST THAT COMES DOWN.

SO, WE HAVE WATER THAT COMES FROM THREE DIFFERENT STREETS AT THE BOTTOM.

AND WE HAVE TWO CITY CULVERTS THAT COME INTO, AND IT GOES RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING GETS FLOODED.

I HAVE A VIDEO I CAN SHOW YOU ALL.

SO THAT IS THE CENTER OF OUR PROPERTY. WE HAVE AN ACRE SO THAT THIS HALF IS THE SIDE WHERE OUR HOUSE, OUR POOL AND EVERYTHING IS. YOU CAN SEE IT GOES RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. AND WHAT IT'S DOING IS IT'S GOING ONTO OAKVIEW RIGHT BEHIND US.

I MEAN, OUR ENTIRE THIS IS EVERY SINGLE TIME IT RAINS.

THIS ISN'T JUST ONE HEAVY RAIN. AND WE'VE HAD TREES.

WHEN THE TREES FALL, THEY'RE NOT FALLING BECAUSE OF LIGHTNING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THE ENTIRE TREE LIKE THE YOU SEE THE ROOTS AND EVERYTHING.

IT HAS COME DOWN ON OUR HOUSE THREE TIMES. SO THAT'S ALL WATER BACK THERE. WE JUST CAN'T. EVEN MY KIDS USED TO HAVE PLAY SETS AND STUFF BACK THERE AND IT.

SO. AND THEN AFTER, AFTERWARD THE STORM. I'VE GOT DEBRIS ALL OVER MY YARD.

I HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AGAIN MY KIDS ARE OUT THERE WITH A WHEELBARROW SHOVELING IT ALL UP.

AND THEN THERE'S STANDING WATER. THAT WATER STAYS BACK THERE, AND IT'S WHEN IT GETS HOT AND MUGGY, IT SMELLS LIKE RAW SEWAGE. LIKE YOU CAN'T EVEN BE OUT THERE.

IT'S DISGUSTING. AND THEN THE MOSQUITOES COME OUT AND, YOU KNOW, SPRAYING EVERYTHING DOWN, BUT. I MEAN, IT'S HORRIBLE. IT'S AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT.

WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR TEN YEARS.

THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT THE END OF IT. BUT ANYWAY, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE.

I MEAN, IT'S LIKE I SAID, THE DANGER FOR MY KIDS.

I CAN'T EVEN LET THEM OUT THERE AFTER IT RAINS.

YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBOR HAD A TREE LAST YEAR. THEIR KIDS WERE AFTER THE RAIN.

THEY WERE OUT THERE PLAYING, AND LUCKILY THE KIDS WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY.

BUT IT WAS QUIET. IT WAS STARTING TO GET SUNNY AND EVERYTHING, AND THE TREE JUST CAME DOWN.

AND SO ANYWAY, WE WOULD LOVE SOME HELP. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

NATASHA NECHEPORENKO. Y'ALL ARE MAKING THIS HARD ON ME.

YES. MY NAME IS NATASHA NECHEPORENKO, AND I'M FROM 3514 RAIN TREE DRIVE.

SO WE LIVE RIGHT ABOVE THOSE STREETS WHICH WERE JUST DISCUSSED THERE.

RIDGECREST, IF YOU WILL PUT THE SLIDE NUMBER TWO AGAIN, PLEASE.

IF POSSIBLE. I DON'T WANT TO MESS IT UP, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS RIVER WHICH IS GOING UP TO THE CORNER AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T COME FROM NOWHERE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ABRUPTLY STOPS.

SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS ABOUT WHY WE ACCUMULATE SO MUCH WATER? AND I'M A CIVIL TRAINED ENGINEER. I TRAINED TO DESIGN POWER LINES AND OBVIOUSLY DRAINAGE FOR POWER LINES AND LIVED THERE FOR 12 YEARS. AND THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO FIX BIG PROBLEMS WHEN IT'S SMALL.

AGREE. WELL, WE HAVE TOO BIG OF A PROBLEM DOWN THE STREAM.

WE CANNOT CHANGE IT BECAUSE OF THE CREEKS. THERE IS A NATURAL ELEMENT OF BEING HILLY IN A HILL AREA WITH A SAND SANDY LOAM. THAT MEANS EVERYTHING WASHES OUT AND FALLS, VERY HARD TO MANAGE.

WE ALSO OWN THE EQUESTRIAN LANDS WE WANT TO KEEP FLOWER MOUND EQUESTRIAN, CORRECT? IT'S ALSO PRESERVATION LAND, SO YOU HAVE MANY ISSUES TO TACKLE.

YOU HAVE MANY ISSUES TO TACKLE THERE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE NUMBER TWO WITH THIS RIVER,

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AND THE REASON WHY THE RIVER FUNNELS INTO ONE ENTRANCE IS BECAUSE ALL THE WATER JUST RUSHES THROUGH THE HILLS. THERE IS NOTHING WHICH CATCHES IT IN ANY KIND OF LET'S JUST SAY CULVERT DESIGN WAY, BECAUSE THE CULVERTS ARE FILLED IN ON THE BURNING TREE AND THE STREET ABOVE, AND WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SLOPE.

SO, WE'RE DRAINING PRETTY MUCH 75 ACRES INTO ONE POINT NEXT TO THE JERRY ENNIS HOUSE AND RETURNING IT A STRAIGHT 90 DEGREES.

THE VELOCITY OF THE WATER, WHICH TAKES EVERYTHING OUT.

SO, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A HOT WHEEL CAR AT THE TURN AND THEN GOES AROUND DOWN.

NOW THE PROBLEM IS, IF WE DON'T FIX ANYTHING UPSTREAM AND IT'S DROPPING DEEPER CULVERTS AND TAKING IT TO SHILOH LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE IS MENTIONED, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY STRUCTURED THE EXISTING STRUCTURES DOWN THE SHILOH, THERE ARE NO STRUCTURES DOWN.

BUT IF YOU DON'T DO THIS AND YOU WILL TRY TO FIX ISSUE CLOSE TO GRAPEVINE LAKE, WHERE A NEW DEVELOPMENT IS, WHICH THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING CORRECT, YOU'RE KEEPING IT ORGANIC.

NOTHING IS BEING DONE. YOU ACTUALLY CAN CREATE MORE WATER VOLUME WITHOUT OPENING.

AND IF THE WATER WILL NOT BE ABLE TO EXIT FAST ENOUGH, IT'S GOING TO BACK OUT AND FLOOD EVERYTHING EVEN MORE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I THINK IT'S A DISASTER IN MULTIPLE WAYS.

BUT FOR THE LAST 10S, IT'S AN EQUESTRIAN AREAS, AND WE HAVE RUNOFF WITHOUT BEING CONTROLLED.

WE GET ROUNDUP RESIDUE ON EQUINE PASTURES, AND ALSO WE GET FERTILIZER, WHICH IS NOT EVEN APPROVED TO USE ON EQUESTRIAN PASTURES. AND HORSES GET METABOLIC DISEASES, WE GET METABOLIC, WE GET NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE. HORSES ALSO DIE. AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MANY EQUESTRIAN ZONED PROPERTIES ANYMORE.

I MEAN, BESIDES OF IT'S ALL GETTING INTO GRAPEVINE LAKE, SO IT HAS TO BE THE CULVERT SHOULD BE DEEPER AND WE SHOULD CARRY WATER TOWARD THE SHILOH.

AND THEN WE CAN RELEASE EVERYTHING DOWN THE STREAM.

IT'S EXPENSIVE. THANK YOU FOR LOOKING INTO THIS, I APPRECIATE IT.

NO PROBLEM. WE HAVE BEN LAWS. HI, BEN LAWS.

7000 GREENLEAF DRIVE, FLOWER MOUND. AND GREENLEAF RUNS EAST AND WEST.

BY THE WAY, THE MAPS SHOW IT IN OUR DRIVEWAY AS THE STREET.

THEN FERNDALE RUNS STRAIGHT TO THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY ON THE NORTH OF OUR PROPERTY.

WE'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1979, AND I THINK I LOST COUNT OF THE 100 YEAR FLOODS WE'VE SEEN.

WE HAVE A SUNKEN LIVING ROOM AND SOMETIMES IT TURNS INTO AN INDOOR POOL.

AND WE'VE GOT PICTURES HERE SOMEWHERE. I'M NOT SURE WHERE LUCILE PUT THEM.

LET ME LOOK. SEE HERE. OKAY. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THEM THAT SHOWS A.

YEAH. OKAY. I GOT IT. HOLD ON. HOLD THE TIME FOR JUST A MINUTE.

IS HOLLY ROYER HERE. AND IS, AS YOU SAY, THAT.

JOE CRIM, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU HAD THE STAPLED AND YOU HAD DONATED TIME.

SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE NINE MINUTES TO SPEAK. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

THIS IS A VIDEO I SHOT IN ONE OF THE RECENT FLOODS.

I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHICH YEAR, BUT YOU CAN GET IT ALMOST ANY TIME THAT WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT RAIN.

SO, LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE WEST OF OUR PROPERTY, THAT'S A CULVERT THAT WAS PUT IN BY US IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS.

IT COMES DOWN TO OFF TO THE EAST. THIS USED TO BE AN AIRSTRIP HERE.

OFF TO THE EAST. IT'S NOW HORSE PASTURE. THE.

WE ENGINEERED THIS DRAINAGE TO END AT A CULVERT THAT HAS BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS.

THE TOWN MADE US DIG THE DEPTH OF THIS DITCH TO THE DEPTH OF THE CULVERT.

THE OTHER END OF THE CULVERT IS THE LEVEL OF THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER END IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE BOTTOM OF THE CULVERT.

THE TOWN HAS REFUSED TO CORRECT THAT SITUATION.

I'VE GOT A MAP I DREW IN. I HAD A SEVEN YEAR SENTENCE AT MONTANA STATE IN ENGINEERING.

I HAD A MAP I BROUGHT WITH YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MADE IT INTO THE RECORD OR NOT, BUT THIS IS OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.

HE HAS SIMILAR ISSUES. NOT QUITE AS BAD. I HAVE TO PUMP WATER OUT OF OUR EVERY TIME WE GET FLOODS LIKE THIS.

I DON'T HAVE TO PUMP IT, BUT I DO TO CUT DOWN ON MOSQUITOES.

AND THAT'S AN EXPENSE THAT WE DON'T NEED. AND LET'S SEE, I HAVE SOME OTHER SLIDES HERE TOO.

LET'S SEE, I THINK I SAW IT HERE. YEAH. THERE WE GO.

LET ME SEE. NO, THAT'S NOT IT. LET'S SEE. LUCILLE, WHERE IS IT? WOULD BE TWO PRESENTATIONS FOR BEN LAWS THAT I SENT IN.

THERE'S DELVECCHIO. THERE'S. IS THAT IT? IS THAT IT? THERE, THAT MIGHT BE IT. NO, NO, THAT'S NOT IT.

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I'VE GOT PLENTY OF PICTURES. I HAVE A I MADE THIS IN 1985.

I TOOK IT TO THE TOWN AND ASKED THEM TO PLEASE CORRECT THE SITUATION. THERE'S A CULVERT HERE WHICH PARALLELS ORCHARD DRIVE MEETS FERNDALE DRIVE, WHICH GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE PIER. THERE'S A CULVERT BURIED UNDER THE ROAD HERE TO THE EAST.

WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WATER COMING DOWN AND THEN TO THE NORTH.

OUR NEIGHBORS THERE WERE KIND ENOUGH TO PUT IN A DRAINAGE CULVERT, WHICH HELPS WITH THEIR PROPERTY.

BUT THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT COMES HERE.

SOME YEARS AGO, DOWN IN THIS AREA, HERE SOUTH, THERE WAS A TRACE THAT RAN THROUGH HERE.

AND THEY FILLED THAT IN WITH FILTER. SO THAT'S NO LONGER A PATH WHERE WATER IS ALLOWED TO FLOW.

THAT CREATES A HUGE PROBLEM ON ORCHARD DRIVE.

AND THAT PROBLEM IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. THERE HAS TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE WHOLE TOWN.

OF COURSE, THAT'S THE KEY TO ALL OF THIS STUFF.

BUT ALL THESE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ARE OBVIOUSLY LOCAL AND IT'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE PICTURES WENT. BUT ANYWAY, THIS HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET THESE BIG RAINS, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS A VERY FLAT WHERE WE ARE, AND THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THE WATER TO GO IN TERMS OF TREE DAMAGE IN 20 2015.

IN THE SPRING WE HAD HUGE RAINS. HERE. WE HAD WATER MOCCASINS UP IN OUR YARD, AND THE ENTIRE FRONT ROW OF OLD GROWTH TREES FELL OVER.

THE ROOT SYSTEM COULD NOT HOLD OUT AND WE LOST A WHOLE ROW OF HACKBERRY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL. SOME OF THE OAKS JUST FELL OVER THE ROOT SYSTEM COULD NOT HOLD IT.

AND WE'RE IN AN AREA WHERE THE SOIL IS CLAY. SO ONCE IT GETS WET, IT'S JUST LIKE PUDDING RIGHT ACROSS FROM US.

IT'S SANDY IN THE OLD LANDING STRIP. SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

ANYWAY, THE PROBLEMS ARE LOCAL TO THIS AREA AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.

I THINK WE KNOW THAT AFTER NINE YEARS. LET'S SEE.

I DON'T EITHER. LET ME LOOK HERE. I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF ANYTHING THAT LOOKS FAMILIAR HERE.

MARIO. NO, WAIT. LET'S DO THIS FOR A MINUTE. THE PRESENTATION IS NOT ON THE COMPUTER.

I'M SORRY, LUCILLE. THE FILE, SECOND FILE THAT YOU SENT IT SAID REVISED.

SO, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REPLACING THE INITIAL ONE THAT WAS SENT.

MY APOLOGIZE IF I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. THAT'S JUST NOT THERE.

IT'S VARIOUS PICTURES THAT SHOW THE STATE OF THE FLOODING.

AND, I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN HOW EXTREME IT IS IN THE VIDEO, SO I THINK WE CAN DISPENSE WITH THAT ISSUE.

WE HAVE HAD OUR PROPERTY, HAD A PROFESSIONAL COME IN AND GET DRAINAGE SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST RUN PUMPS TO, TO KEEP OUR LIVING ROOM FROM FLOODING AND THAT SORT OF THING ON LOCAL PROPERTY.

BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN THIS MUCH, IT'S SO FLAT THAT THERE'S JUST NO PLACE FOR THE WATER TO GO.

THE PROBLEM IS TO THE EAST, THE WATER COMES IN FROM BOTH SIDES.

IT NEEDS TO GO OVER TOWARDS THE EASTERN BOUNDARY.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE STREET, BUT IT'S WHERE ORCHARD SPLITS INTO TWO.

THAT ROAD DOWN THERE NEEDS TO CARRY MORE WATER THAN IT HAS EVER CARRIED.

PEOPLE HAVE DAMMED UP THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ORCHARD TO KEEP THE WATER FROM FLOWING ACROSS THE ORCHARD.

THAT CREATES PROBLEMS FOR OUR NEIGHBOR AND ALL OF US, REALLY.

SO I THINK THE IDEA OF COMPREHENSIVE. YES, BUT IT'S ALL LOCAL AND WE'VE LIVED THERE MANY YEARS.

WE'VE FIGURED OUT WAYS TO MITIGATE IT OURSELVES.

I DON'T LIKE TO HAVE WATER STANDING AND RUNNING ANY LONGER THAN I HAVE TO FOR MOSQUITO CONTROL.

SO IT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE TOO. I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR ME.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY, THANK YOU.

YEAH, THEY WERE JUST STAPLED TOGETHER.

YEAH. SO, HOLLY, YOU CAN COME ON UP.

HOLLY ROYER, 6901 HIDDEN VALLEY. SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET ONE OF THESE.

HAD A GOOD PICTURE I WANTED TO SHOW. OKAY, SO I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT RAINTREE AND ALL OF THAT, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KNIGHTS LANDING. AND SO THIS IS SUNSET.

SO THIS IS MY HOUSE HERE, AND THERE'S THIS BIG FIELD IN FRONT THAT WE DO NOT OWN, SOMEBODY ELSE DOES.

I JUST WANT TO DRAW THE ATTENTION TO BECAUSE THIS IS A, AN AREA WHERE WATER COMES FROM, THIS FIELD.

IT COMES ACROSS I HAVE A FLAG PROPERTY. SO MY DRIVEWAY IS A REALLY LONG PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.

AND THE WATER COMES AND FLOODS. AND IT'S FROM WHERE MY DRIVEWAY IS.

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AND THEN IT ERODES DOWN THIS WAY AND GOES INTO THE BLAIRS PROPERTY THERE, AND IT ERODES THEIRS.

AND THEY'VE HAD A FEW TREES THAT HAVE FALLEN OVER BECAUSE OF THE EROSION, AND THEN THAT CONTINUES DOWN THROUGH TO THEIR PROPERTIES THAT WAY. NOW YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT SAYS THE CULVERT HERE.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND. BUT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THAT, RIGHT ON HIDDEN VALLEY IN SUNSET, THERE IS A PIPE THAT GOES UNDER THE ROAD TO.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BRING THE WATER DOWN AND THEN INTO THE CULVERT HERE, BUT IT'S COMPLETELY BLOCKED OFF.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT'S IT'S RIGHT ON. THIS IS HIDDEN VALLEY AND SUNSET.

SO THERE'S THIS I DON'T KNOW, IT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR A SKUNK TO GET INTO IT.

IT'S ABOUT ALL THE SIZE THAT IT IS RIGHT THERE.

AND SO IT'S BLOCKING SOME OF THE WATER THERE.

AND JUST TO ADD, I RUN AND I RUN THROUGH THIS ALL THE TIME.

AND I HAVE CALLED THE TOWN MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF ALL THE FLOOD WATER THAT COMES THROUGH HERE UNDERNEATH THIS CULVERT.

IT IS ERODING THE ROAD UNDERNEATH. SO, ONE DAY AFTER ONE OF THE STORMS I WAS RUNNING AND THERE WAS THIS BIG GAPING HOLE THAT WAS LIKE ENORMOUS. THAT'S THE REASON I IMMEDIATELY CALLED FOR THEM TO COME AND PATCH IT, BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE FIVE FOOT DEEP, YOU KNOW, LOOKING STRAIGHT DOWN. AND IT'S JUST A CHUNK OUT OF THE ROAD.

LIKE IF MY CAR TIRE, MY CAR TIRE WOULD HAVE HIT IT, IT WOULD HAVE JUST SUNK RIGHT IN THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE REST OF IT TO JUST TO FALL DOWN IN THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE JUST FROM THE EROSION JUST NEEDS TO COME IN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ELSE HAS ERODED. IT'S SO HIGH.

THE WATER GETS SO HIGH AND SO FULL IN THERE THAT IT'S ERODING FROM THE TOP DOWN AND THINNING THE DEPTH OF THE ROAD AT THAT SPOT.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR, IF I COULD I'M GONNA ASK THE STAFF MEMBER.

I DON'T KNOW IF BRIAN OR BLAKE YOU CAN LET'S PUT UP A SATELLITE MAP SO THEY'RE NOT USING STATIC MAPS WITHIN THE PRESENTATION TO BE ABLE TO SHOW WHAT THEY WANT TO SHOW.

WE HAVE DAVID WENZEL.

I ACTUALLY HAD A PRESENTATION. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET TO IT NOW SINCE IT'S.

JUST ON THE RIGHT HERE. NO. OKAY. IT'S RIGHT DOWN HERE.

OKAY. OKAY. I'M DAVID WENZEL. AND MY WIFE, DOCTOR KAYLEE MELAMED AND I, WE LIVE AT 2901 SURVEYORS LANE.

WE'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 2006.

BEEN PAYING DENTON COUNTY TAXES AND BEEN CONSISTENTLY VOTING IN ALL THE ELECTIONS.

SO, TRY TO BE GOOD CITIZENS. GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE LIVE ON THE MAP HERE.

WE LIVE DOWN HERE OFF OF SURVEYORS LANE, UP OUR NEIGHBOR CRAIG LOVATO SPOKE EARLIER AND THEN THE DEVECCHIO'S LIVE HERE ON THE CORNER.

AND HERE'S WHERE THE KNIGHT'S LANDING IS PROPOSED TO BE OVER HERE.

THIS IS A PICTURE OFF I WAS WALKING DOWN RIDGECREST LOOKING OFF OVER TO WHERE KNIGHT'S LANDING IS GOING TO BE.

I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT THIS ISN'T A PIECE OF FLAT LAND.

IT'S GOT A RISE TO IT. IT'S ALSO A BIG PASTURE NOW.

IT ACTS AS A HUGE SPONGE. THIS IS A 20 ACRE SPONGE HERE.

SO, WHEN WE GET RAIN, IT SOAKS INTO THE GROUND AND IT JUST IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE REPLACED BY A SUBDIVISION HERE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF HOUSES, A LOT OF ROOFS, A LOT OF SIDEWALKS, A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS, A LOT OF ROADS.

IT'S ALL JUST GOING TO BE A LOT OF CONCRETE HERE.

AND ALL THIS WATER IS GOING TO BE GOING FLUSHING DOWN INTO THE, INTO THE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, THE, THE TRIBUTARY THAT GOES INTO THE LAKE HERE.

MY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IS THE WAY THIS IS LIKE MY TWO STORY HOUSE.

IF I TURN ON ALL THE WATER DOWNSTAIRS IN THE TOILETS AND THE BATHROOMS AND HAVE SOME WATER RUNNING, AND THEN I GO UPSTAIRS AND TRY TO FLUSH THE TOILET UPSTAIRS, IT'S GOING TO BACK UP.

ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO BE ADDING MORE WATER IN HERE AND IT'S GOING TO BACK UP. SO EVERYTHING COMING FROM UPHILL, UPSTREAM, UP RIDGECREST, IT'S GOING TO ALL BE BACKED UP.

IT'S GOING TO BE CONGESTED. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

IF YOU GO DOWN SURVEYORS LANE HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, LOOK, HERE'S THE NICE LANDINGS HERE AND THE DEVECCHIO'S PROPERTIES HERE.

AND THIS IS WHERE THE SANDERS PROPERTY IS. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO DITCH HERE ACTUALLY, THE SANDERS DRIVEWAY HERE, IT ACTS AS A DAM, SO THE WATER IS FORCED TO GO OVER, OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE OF SURVEYORS LANE.

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A LITTLE BIT OF A KINK IN HERE TO SAVE THE TREE.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT'S WHERE THE FIRST YOU CAN SEE THE SMALL CULVERT HERE IS WHERE ALL THIS WATER COMING FROM UPSTREAM IS GOING THROUGH.

AND HERE'S THE AT THE LUMBATIS AND US HERE SHARE A COMMON CULVERT HERE.

THIS WAS CRUSHED. THE CITY CAME OUT. THEY TRIED TO OPEN IT UP BUT IT'S STILL PARTIALLY CRUSHED.

THIS IS ABOUT 14IN ACROSS. THIS IS LOOKING FROM MY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THEY FILLED IT UP WITH CONCRETE HERE.

THAT WATER CAN'T GO THROUGH IT. THIS IS LOOKING DOWN PAST MY HOUSE.

I CAN NO LONGER MOW MY DITCH. THEY PUT THIS. YOU CAN'T SEE THE STEEPNESS TO IT, BUT THERE'S A VERY STEEP V HERE.

I CANNOT MOW MY YARD. I'VE ASKED THE CITY TO COME OUT AND MOW IT.

THEY SAID THEY WON'T MOW IT. SO, WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT.

IF YOU GO UP RIDGECREST, YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON UP HERE.

THE WAY THEY'RE BUILDING THESE HOUSES, THERE'S NO THOUGHT IN IT. THIS USED TO BE A PASSAGE FOR WATER TO GET THROUGH. NOW WE HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS HERE.

YOU CAN SEE HOW DEEP THEY'RE ALSO CUTTING THE DITCHES HERE. THERE'S JUST FLOODING THIS AREA WITH WATER.

SO. AND THEN HERE YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY THIS IS WHERE THE HELICOPTER PAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS CULVERT HERE GOES RIGHT UP HERE.

AND IT GOES STRAIGHT INTO A WALL. THEY HAD TO CUT THE DIRT HERE.

AND SO, THE WATER FLOWS AND HITS IT AND IT HAS TO GO AROUND IT.

AND ONCE AGAIN SO MY THOUGHT IS WE NEED TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT STUDY DONE OTHER THAN THE ONE THAT'S BEEN DONE BY THE KNIGHTS LANDINGS PEOPLE.

THEY PAID THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR SOMEONE TO TELL THEM THAT, YEAH, YOU CAN BUILD YOUR HOUSE HERE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FLOOD, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INDEPENDENTLY BY SOMEBODY.

THIS WHOLE AREA NEEDS TO HAVE A SERIOUS, A SERIOUS STUDY DONE BECAUSE IT'S JUST TO ME, IT'S JUST BEEN TOTALLY MISMANAGED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LAURA LEE KING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS COMPUTER. IT'S SOMETHING.

CAN SOMEONE GET TO MY STUFF? I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IT.

YEAH. YEAH. WHICH ONE ARE YOU? PROBABLY THE ONE THAT SAYS LEE.

YEAH. YOU CAN JUST HIT ENTER TO GO THROUGH. SO HIT ENTER AND THEN IT GOES TO THE NEXT PAGE.

OKAY. SO, MY NAME IS LAURA LEE KING. I LIVE ON AT 3202 MIRACLE LANE.

I'VE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS, AND I HAVE A DRY CREEK THAT RUNS RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

AND THAT PICTURE THERE IS THE CREEK WHEN IT'S FLOWING AND IT'S GOING OVER THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S OVER THERE ON THE LEFT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS GO FORWARD.

SO, THESE ARE RANDOM PICTURES FROM MY FRONT YARD.

SO OCCASIONALLY IT RAINS HARD ENOUGH OR IT GOES OVER MY DRIVEWAY LIKE YOU CAN SEE THERE, AND I'VE GOT THREE 40 INCH CULVERTS.

THEY IT'S NOT THEY'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH ALL THE TIME TO CARRY ALL THE WATER.

AND SO THEN WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE WATER TO RECEDE BEFORE WE CAN GO TO WORK OR TAKE THE KIDS TO SCHOOL IN WINTER.

AND SO OCCASIONALLY THE WATER HAS BEEN FIVE FEET FROM MY HOUSE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M CAMPING NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, A ROARING RIVER. SO THEN THE WATER WILL SPREAD OUT.

IT GETS ABOUT 60FT DEEP AND ABOUT 60FT WIDE AND 15FT DEEP.

SO WE I CAN'T HAVE A FRONT YARD AT ALL BECAUSE IT JUST ERODES EVERYTHING.

AT ONE TIME WE DID RESOD. OF COURSE, THAT WAS JUST A WASTE OF MONEY.

SO SEVERAL PEOPLE ON MY STREET THAT ARE ALSO HERE, THEY'RE CONCERNED BECAUSE OF EROSION AND LOSING THEIR FENCES, AND THE FENCE POSTS ARE COMING DOWN. PEOPLE HAVE LOST TREES.

SO MY DEGREE IS IN CIVIL ENGINEERING. SO I'VE WORKED AND MADE SEVERAL DRAINAGE PLANS.

AND LIKE, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BUILD FOUNDATIONS, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THAT WATER TO GO.

YOU'RE CREATING A LOT MORE RUNOFF. AND SO YOU'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAFELY TAKE CARE OF THAT WATER.

AND I KEEP HEARING ALL THESE PEOPLE SAYING, OH, JUST REROUTE IT DOWN, SHILOH.

WELL, WHEN IT COMES DOWN SHILOH, THEN IT DUMPS INTO THAT CREEK, STARTS FLOODING OUT MY YARD, CLARK'S YARD, THEIR YARD. IT JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER.

SO, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE. IT MIGHT BE DRAINAGE CULVERTS OR DETENTION PONDS OR WHATEVER, BUT REROUTING IT DOWN SHILOH, IN MY OPINION, IS NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER BECAUSE I DON'T THINK MY YARD CAN HANDLE ANY MORE WATER

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YEAH, I'LL NEED THOSE TO DRIVE HOME. MARSHA GAVITT.

MARSHA GAVITT, 6501 MEADOWCREST LANE. I HAVE OAK VIEW AND HILLCREST TO THE NORTH OF ME AND ADA TO THE LEFT.

YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS SPEAK ALREADY? THEY, THE STORMWATER HAS BEEN REPORTED GETTING WORSE IN RECENT YEARS, AND I'LL HAVE TO SAY THE FIRST CHANGE WAS WHEN 1171 WAS WIDENED AND THERE WASN'T REALLY A LOT OF MITIGATING IMPACTS FOR THAT. SO OAK VIEW WAS THE FIRST TO HAVE FLOODING.

LATER, A MORE SUBSTANTIAL CISTERN WAS ADDED TO THE NORTHERN PART OF SOUTH SHILOH ON THE WEST SIDE.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT WAS IT WAS FOR THE UNDEVELOPED SMITH PROPERTY RUNOFF.

SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WATCHING HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE HANDLED FOR THAT PROPERTY.

I WOULD ALSO NOW BASED ON HEARING A LOT FROM MY NEIGHBORS, MANY WHO I HAVEN'T MET, BUT I'VE COMMUNICATED WITH FREQUENTLY OVER THE YEARS, THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT ALLOWING CONSTRUCTION ON 12 DEGREE SLOPES, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS GOING TO COME DOWN OUR WAY, EVEN FROM THE NORTH ACROSS SHILOH.

1171 AND FROM THE WEST. AND MAYBE REQUIRE DETENTION PONDS LIKE WE DO FOR BUSINESS DISTRICTS BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES. I KNOW TWO OF MY NEIGHBORS AREN'T HERE TODAY.

ONE IS OUT OF TOWN, OUT OF STATE, AND THE OTHER ONE BROKE HER LEG IN THREE PLACES.

SO I'M GOING TO PASS ALONG WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME.

I'M ON MEADOWCREST. THE NEIGHBOR ON THE LEFT, EXCUSE ME, ON THE WEST OF ME REPORTS WATER COMING FROM THE EAST AND THE WEST.

AND WHEN SOME PIPES, OR RATHER CULVERT WAS PUT IN TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS ELSEWHERE ON MEADOWCREST, IT ACTUALLY DUMPED MORE WATER ON HILLCREST. THAT'S THE LADY THAT BROKE HER LEG.

AND THERE'S TWO HOUSES AFFECTED THERE. WE HAVE HIGHS AND LOWS ON THESE THREE STREETS, AND IT'S THOSE IN THE LOWEST LEVELS THAT ARE HAVING THE WORST PROBLEM.

SHE'S GOT A LOT. SHE'S LOSING HER TREES, AND THE YARD IS CAVING IN AND SO IS PART OF THE STREET.

SHE SAID IT WOULD TAKE TWO YEARS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX THAT.

I ALSO WANTED TO GOING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA, SHOWING HOW THE WATER FLOWS.

KENSINGTON ESTATES, SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER OFF OF SCENIC EAST OF SCENIC PRESENTED STORMWATER ISSUES TO THE DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY EAST.

NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SMITH PROPERTY TO THEIR WEST AND TO 18 NORTH OF F AND 1171 AND WEST OF US HAS HAD SIMILAR ISSUES DUE TO THE DEVELOPMENT TO THEIR WEST. SO THANK YOU.

THERESA DO WE HAVE ANY MORE? OKAY. WE HAVE A FEW MORE PEOPLE.

LUCILLE DELVECCHIO.

MY NAME IS LUCILLE DELVECCHIO AND I LIVE ON 7003 WOODRIDGE DRIVE.

AND THE MAP UP HERE. THE CIRCLE IS WHERE MY HOME IS LOCATED, AND I'VE PUT ARROWS ON WHERE ALL THE WATER DRAINS FROM BECAUSE I'M DOWNSTREAM FROM ALL THESE OTHER ROADS THAT COMES ONTO MY PROPERTY.

I'VE SHOWN THESE BEFORE. MY NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE WHO ARE DOWN FROM ME HAVE SHOWN YOU THEIR FLOODING SITUATION AS WELL. WE'RE JUST WE'RE IN A MOAT AROUND OUR WHOLE HOUSE WHEN WE HAVE HEAVY RAIN.

AND THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE RAIN THAT WE HAVE THAT FLOODS BOTH THE FRONT AND THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY. WE ARE ON TWO PLUS A TWO PLUS ONE TWO ACRES AND ONE ACRE IS TOTALLY UNUSABLE BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING SITUATION. I'M PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE WHY FROM JUST HEARING THESE NEIGHBORS OF WHAT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH.

THIS PROBLEM WAS NOT MINE ALONE. THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR YEARS.

THERE ARE OVER A THOUSAND HOMES IN THIS AREA.

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IT'S COST THEM TREES, FENCING PROPERTY IN THEIR HOMES, INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR.

I KNOW THESE PEOPLE WOULD HELP WITH ORGANIZING ANY KIND OF STUDY THAT WAS DONE TO HELP THE TOWN COME TO A CONCLUSION. SOME SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD HELP THEM.

COUNCILMAN MARTIN, WHEN I FIRST ADDRESSED YOU ABOUT THIS PROBLEM, YOU COULD SEE THAT IT WAS A PROBLEM AND YOU WERE WILLING TO COME OUT AND HELP US.

AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. BUT IF THE IF THE COUNCIL IS WILLING TO HEAR A MOTION FOR A $10 MILLION TENNIS PROGRAM OR SITE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME OUT AND HELP US COME TO SOME WITH A STUDY, A COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER SEWER STUDY THAT ADDRESSES THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING.

COUNCILMAN DREW AND COUNCILMAN SCHIESTEL. I KNOW THAT THE TWO OF YOU ARE PRETTY CREATIVE.

YOU BOTH HAVE ENGINEERING BACKGROUNDS. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.

WE NEED THAT RIGHT NOW. WE NEED PEOPLE WHO ARE CREATIVE AND WILLING TO TAKE ON THIS BIG PROJECT.

BECAUSE IT IS A BIG PROJECT. COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, WHEN THEY WANTED TO PUT AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX ON 377 ACROSS FROM WHERE YOU LIVE IN CANYON FALLS, PEOPLE CAME OUT BECAUSE THEY REALIZED THAT IT WASN'T APPROPRIATE AND THAT IT WOULD REALLY CHANGE THE AREA AND CHANGE THE RESIDENTS.

INVESTMENT IN THEIR PROPERTY. AS I HOPE THAT YOU WOULD ALSO REALIZE THAT WE'RE HERE TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW, AND WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

COUNCILMAN WARNER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE.

AND YOUR BACKGROUND IS AS A NURSE AND A CAREGIVER.

AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I BROUGHT MY, MY OLD, ELDERLY FATHER TO MY HOME, AND HE LIVED WITH ME IN HIS FINAL DAYS AND FOUND THE CROSS TIMBERS AND THE AREA, WHAT HE CALLED AND TRUST ME, THIS IS ARE HIS WORDS. HE CALLED IT SHANGRI-LA BECAUSE HE HAD JUST SUFFERED STORM SANDY, AND HE WANTED A PLACE WHERE HE COULD BE AT PEACE. AND HE FOUND THAT IN THE CROSS TIMBERS.

MAYOR MOORE, I KNOW THAT YOU CARE ABOUT OUR TOWN.

I'VE READ THINGS THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN, AND I KNOW THAT YOU REALLY CARE.

I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD LET THIS BE YOUR LEGACY.

THAT YOU SOLVED OR HELPED LEAD THE COUNCIL TO COME TO A CONCLUSION, TO COME TO A STUDY THAT HAD SOME REAL RESULTS FOR THESE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN SUFFERING OVER THESE MANY YEARS.

SO I BEG YOU TO HELP THESE NEIGHBORS HELP US ALL AND THE CROSS TIMBERS BY ORDERING A COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER STUDY. MS. DEVECCHIO? YES, I HAVE TO.

I HAVE TO STOP YOU. OKAY? BECAUSE YOU'RE WAY OVER THE THREE MINUTES.

I HAVE NINE. OH, YOU HAVE NINE MINUTES. WHOO! OH, MY GOSH. I THINK SO. YOU SURE DO. I HOPE EVERYBODY'S HERE.

ARE YOUR PEOPLE HERE? MS. DELVECCHIO? YES, SUSAN.

OKAY. YEAH. GO AHEAD. OKAY. YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS HAVE GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO HELP THEMSELVES AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. BUT IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.

WE NEED YOUR HELP. WE NEED YOU TO INVEST SOME MONEY IN A STUDY AND TO SEE HOW WE CAN SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION THAT I PUT FORWARD.

DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DIRECT FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND INTO STORMWATER PROJECTS, WHICH THIS WOULD BE? NO ONE HAS REALLY COME OUT HERE AND ADDRESSED THIS STORMWATER.

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AND I WAS ONE OF THE HOMES WHERE A DITCH WAS DUG, WHERE YOU SEE ALL THIS WATER NOW? AND THAT DITCH IS NOW SILTED OVER BECAUSE WE LIVE IN SANDY SOIL.

WE DON'T HAVE CLAY, SO IT SILTS OVER WHEN YOU HAVE RUSHING WATER GOING OVER IT.

BUT I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE THIS TO HEART WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TODAY AND HELP US AS WE WILL HELP YOU IN WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU. MAYOR, IF I MAY, I NEED TO MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACT.

I NEED TO CORRECT THAT. IF YOU ARE ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM, YOU ARE NOT ASSESSED A SEWER RATE.

ON YOUR UTILITY BILL, YOU HAVE THE VARIOUS UTILITIES THAT YOU'RE CHARGED FOR.

IF YOU ARE IF UNDER SEWER, YOU HAVE AN AMOUNT OVER THERE AND YOU'RE ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME AND LET'S SEE THAT BILL.

WE NEED TO CORRECT IT. AND WE CAN DO THAT OFFLINE.

I CAN LEAVE MY INFORMATION, BUT IF YOU ARE ON A SEPTIC, YOU ARE NOT ASSESSED A SEWER RATE ON YOUR UTILITY BILL.

THANK YOU. BECAUSE I HAD THAT AS A QUESTION. HOLD ON.

YOU CAN'T HOLD ON. MA'AM? MA'AM? YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE A COMMENT CARD UP HERE.

SO BUT. YOU WANT TO FILL OUT A COMMENT. BUT IN EFFECT, WHAT SHE'S SAYING MAYOR, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS WHAT SHE SAID.

IS, IS THAT IF SHE WAS REFERRING TO STORMWATER, SHE'S CORRECT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR SEWER, YOU'RE NOT ASSESSED IF YOU'RE ON A SEPTIC. OKAY. VERY GOOD.

DID YOU DID YOU WANT TO COME UP AND MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. BECAUSE YEAH, I JUST WE THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU BACK THERE.

OKAY. WE HAVE STEVEN WOOD, AND YOU DO HAVE DONATED TIME.

IS STEVEN ROYER HERE? OKAY. AND THEN MARY BEAVER.

IS SHE HERE? MARY. MARY BEAVER, ARE YOU HERE? SHE'S NOT HERE. SHE'S NOT. OKAY. DOES SOMEBODY ELSE WANT TO DONATE TIME? YOU HAVE TO BE HERE TO DONATE TIME. OKAY. OKAY.

THERE YOU GO. OKAY, SO YOU HAVE NINE MINUTES.

WHO HAS NINE MINUTES? YOU DO? ME? YEAH. WHAT'S MY NAME? TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. I HOPE YOU'RE STEPHEN WOOD. RIGHT. I AM STEPHEN WOOD.

I LIVE AT 3032 MONET COURT, WHICH IS RIGHT ABOUT WHERE I'M CIRCLING WITH MY MOUSE HERE.

AND I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT STORMWATER IS HAVING ON MY PROPERTY.

WITH THE ANTICIPATION THAT THERE WILL BE MORE BECAUSE OF THE KNIGHTS LANDING DEVELOPMENT.

AND I'M GOING TO BRING UP THAT THE PROBLEM IS NOT MINE ALONE.

AS YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT, THERE'S MANY, MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE NORTH OF SUNSET, WEST OF SURVEYORS ALL ALONG SHILOH AND OVER BY MIRACLE LANE.

THERE ARE MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN THIS REGION AND IN THIS ROOM THAT ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PROBLEM.

IT'S THE DRAINAGE, AND IT HASN'T BEEN PLANNED AS A COMPREHENSIVE DRAINAGE PLAN.

IT'S ALL BEEN PIECED PARTED OUT, MUCH AS NICE LANDING IS DOING AND SAYING THERE'S ZERO IMPACT.

THERE'S ZERO NET GAIN OF WATER LEAVING THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S NOT TRUE. WE KNOW IT'S NOT TRUE. WE CAN SEE WHAT THE RESULTS ARE OF OTHER PIECEMEAL AND AGGREGATE TOTALS FOR WATER. SO, WE KNOW THAT'S WRONG. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT'S HAPPENED TO ME.

WHEN KNIGHT'S LANDING PURCHASED THE SANDERS PROPERTY, THIS LARGE SECTION HERE, THERE IS A. I LOVE THIS TERM. NOW DRY CREEK. THAT GOES THROUGH THE THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

AND THEY HIRED A LANDSCAPING COMPANY, AND THEY CAME THROUGH AND REMOVED ALL THE UNDERBRUSH, ALL THE SAPLINGS TREES THAT WERE 4 TO 6 INCHES, BUT NOT SPECIMEN TREES.

AND THEY CUT IT ALL OUT. AND I WAS TALKING TO RICK SANDERS, THE PREVIOUS OWNER, AND HE TOLD ME, HE GOES, MY SON TOLD ME THAT I'D OWN THAT PROPERTY FOR 40 SOMETHING YEARS, AND I'D NEVER MADE IT LOOK AS NICE OVERNIGHT AS THESE GUYS HAD IN THE WEEK.

AND WE JOKED ABOUT OUR SMART ALECK SONS AND, AND I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT THE IMPACT WAS TO ME.

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JULY, JUNE 2ND OF THIS YEAR. I'M SORRY, OF LAST YEAR.

EAST WEST. LAST YEAR, JUNE 2ND. JULY 2ND. I DON'T KNOW, WE HAD A RAINSTORM FIRST.

BIG RAIN SINCE THEY CLEARED ALL THAT UNDERBRUSH AND SHRUBBERY OUT OF THE CREEK BED.

AND I LOST SIX FOOT OF EMBANKMENT, A FOOT AND A HALF OF DEPTH, ABOUT EIGHT TREES, ONE OF THEM TEN INCHES AROUND. THEY ALL FELL INTO THAT CREEK. BECAUSE I HAVE THIS PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES OF WHERE THAT CREEK EMPTIES, ALL THIS WATER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NORTH OF SUNSET WEST SURVEYORS, IT ALL COMES TO ME. ALL OF IT. NOW I'M GOING TO GET ALL OF THIS TOO. BUT THEY TELL ME IT'S A NET ZERO. I PAID $6 A MONTH TOO.

THERE'S 887 RESIDENTS WEST OF SCENIC DRIVE THAT PAY THAT $6.

IN TOTAL, IT COMES OUT TO $63,000 AND 864 EVERY YEAR.

AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN ACCOUNTING FROM PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD USE OF THEIR TIME.

I WANT THEM TO FIX THIS PROBLEM. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE? I'M LOOKING DOWN THE EYE OF A HURRICANE HERE ON LAND.

IT'S GOING TO HIT ME. WHO'S GOING TO STAND UP IN THE WAY OF THIS? I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF A PROBLEM.

AND BY FIXING THEIRS, IT REALLY MAKES MINE WORSE.

I REALLY NEED THIS TO BE FIXED ON A COMPREHENSIVE BASIS, SO THAT ALL OF US HAVE DRY LAND AND, AND A PLACE TO WALK AND GET TO OUR BARNS OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO LIVE OUR LIVES THE WAY WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO WHEN WE BOUGHT THESE PROPERTIES. I'LL LET THE CITY COME, MY LAND, COME ON MY LAND, ANYTIME IN SUPPORT OF A STUDY THAT LUCILLE SUGGESTED, MEASURE THE WATER. LOOK AT HOW MUCH THE LAND ERODES.

COUNT THE TREES THAT GO DOWN. I'M PERFECTLY WILLING.

I'VE ONLY LIVED THERE SIX YEARS. I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM UNTIL LAST YEAR.

AFTER ALL THAT CLEAR CUTTING WENT ON. I. I THINK YOU'VE GOT MY POINT. RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. WE HAVE THE LAST ONE IS JEANNIE FERRIER, AND SHE HAS, YOU HAVE DONATED TIME AS WELL.

IS KAREN SHARP HERE? AND IS MARION BENTON SHARP HERE? OKAY, SO YOU HAVE NINE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THANK YOU.

AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS JEANNIE FERRIER, AND I LIVE AT 6604 SUNSET TRAIL.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S ALREADY BEEN A LONG NIGHT.

SO, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE TOWN FOR SURE.

MY DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ARE NOT NEAR AS BAD AS OTHER NEIGHBORS, BUT I LIVE ON SUNSET TRAIL, JUST DIRECTLY ACROSS.

I LIVE RIGHT THERE. AND THE CULVERT THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON SUNSET TRAIL.

DOES IT HANDLE ALL THE WATER? ALL THE DITCHES FILL, MY DRIVEWAY FLOODS.

DUCKS SWIM DOWN MY DRIVEWAY. THAT CULVERT IS LIKE WHITE WATER RAFTING WATER THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BACK OF THAT HOUSE.

I'VE SENT IN VIDEOS BEFORE IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEM, BUT IT'S DANGEROUS.

IT'S FLOODS. I WAS ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER BILL.

SORRY. WHEN I SPOKE TOO SOON BACK THERE, BUT IT IS $5.20 A MONTH FOR STORMWATER UTILITY SYSTEM.

AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS OUT THERE PAYING THAT, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MONEY GOES TO OR WHAT WE SEE FROM THAT.

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DIRT IS EXPENSIVE. I HAVE TO KEEP BUYING IT FOR MY BACK PART WHERE IT ALL JUST KEEPS ERODING DOWN.

OTHERS HAVE TO BUY SANDBAGS TO PREVENT WATER FROM COMING IN THEIR HOUSE.

OTHERS? DOCTOR ANDERSON HAS TO ATTACH ROPES FROM THEIR HOME TO ACTUALLY WALK SAFELY TO THEIR BARN TO TAKE CARE OF SICK HORSES.

BECAUSE THE WATER IS MOVING SO FAST, IT'S DANGEROUS.

IF WE HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR A STORM WATER SYSTEM, WHY ARE TAX PAYING VOTING FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS DEALING WITH THIS, WATCHING OUR LAND ERODE ENDURING UNSAFE SITUATIONS FOR OUR FAMILY, AND SPENDING MONEY ON TRYING TO MITIGATE THESE ISSUES? RIVERS LITERALLY RUN THROUGH OUR YARDS. AND AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY, THE DAMAGE IS WIDESPREAD DIFFERENTLY.

THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF HOMES IN THE CROSS TIMBER AREA.

ALMOST ALL OF THEM, INCLUDING MINE, HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM WITH NO UNDERGROUND SEWER OR STORMWATER DRAINAGE, SO THE SOIL JUST KEEPS FLOWING FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH, IMPACTING MULTIPLE RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT CROSS TIMBERS.

SO THE QUESTION IS, WHERE DO YOU DETERMINE TO CATCH THAT WATER SO YOU DON'T HINDER ANOTHER PERSON? LIKE STEPHEN WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE STUDY TO TAKE CARE OF THIS.

WE NEED A PROCESS AND A SOLUTION THAT IS FAIR TO EVERYONE.

I'M ASKING YOU FOR HELP IN GETTING A SURVEY DONE AND A STUDY CREATED TO SEE HOW THIS DAMAGE CAN BE CORRECTED.

A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY IS CRUCIAL. I'M SURE YOU CAN TELL FROM THE ATTENDANCE.

RESIDENT REQUESTED MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD THAT WE CARE A LOT ABOUT THE CROSS TIMBERS, AND WE HOPE YOU WILL TOO.

AS FLOWER MOUND AND CROSS TIMBERS RESIDENTS, WE HOPE YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE A COMMITMENT TO US BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR YEARS.

I WAS HEARING ALMOST A SENSE OF HOPELESSNESS, LIKE BEEN HERE 40 YEARS.

I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP PUTTING UP WITH THIS BECAUSE THE TOWN IS NOT HELPING US.

AT THE MEETING ON FEBRUARY 14TH, WHEN SEVERAL RESIDENTS, TOWN STAFF KNIGHTS LANDING COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN WAS PRESENT, IT WAS MADE QUITE CLEAR BY TOWN STAFF THAT KNIGHTS LANDING IS ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS ON THEIR PROPERTY ON THAT 24 ACRES THERE.

KNIGHTS LANDING ENGINEERS, EVERYBODY WAS SAYING THE WATER FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THE NEW HOMES WOULD RUN INTO THE DITCH AND DOWN TO THE LAKE.

SO I SAID, I ASKED OF THE DITCH WOULD HOLD ALL THAT WATER AND IF IT WOULD FLOOD THE TRAILS THAT LEAD TO THE LAKE.

KNIGHTS LANDING ENGINEER SAID WHAT TRAILS? THAT SHOWS HOW EXTENSIVE THEIR STUDY WAS.

I THINK SEVERAL OF YOU LIKE NATURE AND TRAILS.

HAVE YOU EVER HIKED DOWN THE TRAILS AT THE END OF SURVEYORS LANE THERE? IT'S AN AMAZING PLACE. A LOT OF US HERE HIKE THEM.

WE RIDE OUR HORSES ON THEM. BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THOSE TRAILS ARE UNDERWATER, DANGEROUS AND UNUSABLE.

AND NANCY'S HUSBAND, WHO'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, SAM, HE WAS ACTUALLY HIKING THE TRAILS AT A TIME WHEN THEY WEREN'T REALLY USABLE AND HE COULDN'T ACCESS THE TRAILS, SO HE HAD TO GO THROUGH CAMP DAVID.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE END. IT'S A CHILDREN'S CAMP AND IT WAS FLOODED.

SO LIKE THAT RIGHT THERE AT THE END TO A CAMP FOR KIDS WAS FLOODED, WHICH NONE OF US WANT.

COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, YOU HAD A COMMITMENT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS IN CANYON FALLS WHEN THAT HUMONGOUS INDUSTRIAL CENTER WAS PROPOSED.

HAD THAT WENT THROUGH, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG DECLINE TO THE AREA.

BUT YOU WERE COMMITTED TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AND THAT WAS AWESOME. YOU DID THE RIGHT THING AND PREVENTED THAT FROM HAPPENING.

WE'RE NOW ASKING YOU TO HAVE THE SAME COMMITMENT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CROSS TIMBERS IN FLOWER MOUND, AND WE ASK THAT YOU HELP AND SUPPORT IS IN THIS.

COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN, YOU WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO ATTEND THE FEBRUARY 14TH MEETING AND LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS.

I'M NOW ASKING YOU TO CONTINUE YOUR SUPPORT OF THE CROSS TIMBERS RESIDENTS, CORRECT THIS DAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING.

AND JUST PLEASE DON'T THINK ABOUT BUDGETS WITH THIS.

YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT AT SOME POINT. THERE'S DIFFERENT BUDGETS, DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHICH FUNDS IT COMES FROM, BUT KIND OF HAVE TO TAKE THE BUDGET PART OUT OF IT AND JUST MAKE THIS WORK BECAUSE THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY SERIOUS THING. COUNCIL MEMBER DREW, PLEASE USE YOUR CREATIVITY IN DEALING WITH THIS COMPLEX SITUATION AND GET THIS STUDY UNDERWAY. THERE'S A WAY TO GET THIS DONE, AND I KNOW YOU CAN FIGURE OUT A PROPOSAL TO DO JUST THAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER, I KNOW THAT YOU OWN LAND IN FLOWER MOUND AND HAVE BEEN A FLOWER MOUND RESIDENT FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT IS FUN OWNING ACREAGE. I MEAN, IT JUST IS AWESOME.

AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE. I HOPE YOU USE YOUR EXPERTISE AND BACKGROUND IN LEADING THE COUNCIL TO HELP PRESERVE THE CROSS TIMBERS.

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AND PLEASE PROTECT THE CROSS TIMBERS AND HELP KEEP THE RURAL AREAS RURAL.

MAYOR MOORE, YOU'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB MAINTAINING ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN FLOWER MOUND.

WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP IN CORRECTING DAMAGE IN THE CROSS TIMBERS.

I LOVE READING YOUR SNIPPETS IN THE CROSS TIMBERS GAZETTE, AND THAT THE TWO OBJECTIVES OF THE FIRST TWO OF 2025 WERE EXPANDING THE TREE CANOPY AND INCREASING OPEN SPACE. HELP US DO THAT BY STOPPING THIS EROSION.

I MEAN, WE'RE LOSING TREES OUT IN THAT AREA LIKE CRAZY DUE TO ALL THESE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. AND IF TREES ARE REMOVED FROM SUNSET CREEK WITH THE KNIGHTS LANDING DEVELOPMENT, IT'S JUST GOING TO CAUSE MORE EROSION AND MORE STORMWATER DAMAGE.

YOUR KINDNESS AND CARING NATURE AND TENACITY ARE SOME OF THE REASONS THAT I VOTED FOR YOU.

YOU'VE WANTED THINGS. YOU'VE WORKED HARD FOR THEM AND KEPT GOING IF THEY WEREN'T INITIALLY ACHIEVED.

I AM ASKING YOU TONIGHT TO LEAD THIS GROUP IN DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CROSS TIMBERS RESIDENTS OF FLOWER MOUND.

IF THERE ARE CHALLENGES, KEEP TRYING AS YOU HAVE WITH OTHER THINGS.

DON'T BE SKEPTICAL OF THE NECESSITY OF THIS PROJECT WHEN YOU MIGHT HEAR ERRONEOUS STATEMENTS ABOUT HOW THIS ISN'T DOABLE OR THERE ISN'T FUNDS.

IT IS DOABLE. AND I KNOW AS A COUNCIL YOU CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT AN EASY TASK, BUT THAT'S WHY WE VOTED YOU IN AS MAYOR.

WE KNOW YOU WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

YOU ALL HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER, WHETHER IT BE STRINGS THAT I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED OR HIDDEN SUPERPOWERS THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.

BUT EACH OF YOU HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE, AND I HOPE THAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU LIVE IN THE CROSS TIMBERS, BUT I'M ASKING YOU TO HAVE A COMMITMENT TO US.

IT'S HARD TO BE PASSIONATE ABOUT A COMMUNITY YOU DON'T LIVE IN, BUT WE LIVE THERE AND WE ARE EXTREMELY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE CROSS TIMBERS.

IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT FLOWER MOUND WAS BUILT ON.

THE TREE IS THE SYMBOL OF OUR TOWN. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY DRIVE THROUGH THE CROSS TIMBERS JUST TO RELAX, KIND OF GET SOME PEACE, BRING JOY BACK INTO THEIR LIVES, ENJOY THE VIEW AND THE WILDLIFE.

I HAVE FRIENDS THAT BEG TO COME OVER TO MY HOUSE, JUST TO STEP AWAY FROM THE CRAZINESS OF LIFE AND TAKE A WALK THROUGH THE CROSS TIMBERS.

WHEN I LIVED IN ANOTHER TOWN, I WOULD PURPOSELY DRIVE MY KIDS TO SCHOOL FOR YEARS DOWN SHILOH ROAD AND ROCKY POINT.

IT WAS A LONGER DISTANCE, TOOK MORE TIME, BUT JUST THE BEAUTY OF IT AND THE WILDLIFE.

WE ENJOYED IT SO MUCH. SO PLEASE DON'T MAKE THIS MONEY ABOUT A BUDGET ISSUE.

THE AREA AFFECTED BY THIS IS HUGE, AND A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY AND SURVEY NEEDS TO BE DONE, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL DO NOTHING BUT MAKE THE CURRENT SITUATION WORSE. WE ARE ALL VOTERS, TAXPAYERS, AND WE LOVE THE TOWN AND AREA WE LIVE IN.

PLEASE HELP US WITH THIS. I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU DIFFERENT CROSS TIMBERS RESIDENTS TO HELP BUILD A RESIDENT ENGAGEMENT GROUP TO ENSURE WHATEVER THE SOLUTION IS, HAS SUPPORT FROM US. YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE FIRST STEP IN HELPING US.

AGAIN, WHAT YOU DO IS APPRECIATED. WE HOPE THAT YOU ARE COMMITTED TO HELPING THE RESIDENTS OF THE CROSS TIMBERS BY HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY DONE ON THIS DRAINAGE MESS.

THANK YOU ALL. MAYOR, CAN YOU GIVE HER ANOTHER 30 SECOND? IF SHE CAN DO MINE.

YOU SKIPPED ME. I SKIPPED YOU. LET ME SEE WHAT CAN I SAY ABOUT YOU? I APOLOGIZE, I NEED 30 MORE SECONDS. I DID READ THAT YOU LOVE NATURE AND TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, THE TRAILS BEING UNUSABLE, NOT AVAILABLE.

I INVITE YOU TO COME DOWN AND HIKE THEM WITH US.

I GOT A COUPLE OF HORSES. YOU CAN GET ON ONE.

I MEAN, THEY ARE AMAZING TRAILS. WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO USE THEM.

I MEAN, IT'S AN AMAZING AREA OUT THERE AND HOW DARE I FORGET YOU I APOLOGIZE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. IT'S FUNNY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS FUN. ANYWAY WE, ARE THERE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE, OR ANYBODY WANT TO COME IN AND SPEAK ABOUT ADAM IN PARTICULAR? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND END THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'RE GOING TO GO ON.

I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT.

I MEAN, THIS WAS OVERWHELMING. I ACTUALLY DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO BE THIS BUSY TONIGHT.

THIS IS PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST WORK SESSION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BIGGEST CROWD.

SO, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT. I MYSELF HAVE HAD DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN MY LITTLE SUBURBAN HOME.

AND IT WAS IT WAS VERY HARD. SO HEARING ALL OF THIS, IT WAS CERTAINLY NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT THESE VIDEOS SHOWED.

SO YEAH, I DO REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I DO THINK THAT THIS IS WHAT THIS WORK SESSION IS ALL ABOUT, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME SOLUTION FOR THIS, BECAUSE WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

NOW, JAMES, I KNOW YOU WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE WE START THE WORK SESSION.

CAN I ALSO JUST CHIME IN FOR ONE? YEAH. I ALSO WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL.

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I HAVE A FAVOR TO ASK OF YOU, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT, BUT I HOPE YOU CAN STAY FOR AS LONG AS YOU CAN, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE AND WE, WE ALL OF US NEED TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND ON THE MANY COMPLICATING FACTORS THAT WILL MAKE IT CHALLENGING TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT SOLUTION.

I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO DO THEIR VERY BEST TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE.

THAT'S FEASIBLE, BUT MY SUSPICION IS THAT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO NEED A LOT OF YOUR COOPERATION, BECAUSE FROM WHAT WE'VE LEARNED SO FAR, AND YOU ALL KNOW THIS, MUCH OF THE DRAINAGE GOES THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY.

AND SO IN ORDER TO PROCEED WITH A VIABLE SOLUTION, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO KEEP TALKING TOGETHER AND TRY TO ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. THANKS. AND THIS IS JUST A START.

I JUST WANT TO SAY TO YOU THAT THERE WERE 11 OTHER PEOPLE WHO FILLED OUT COMMENT CARDS THAT DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK TONIGHT ON THIS STORMWATER ISSUE.

SO, THERE WERE A LOT MORE. AND SO, WE'LL GO AHEAD.

JAMES, I'M GOING TO THROW IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND I THINK THAT MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN, IS A GOOD SEGUE TO WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO MENTION IS THAT WE HAD ABOUT 16 SPEAKERS COME UP TODAY.

AND AS A STAFF, WE TAKE NOTES. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE VIDEO. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHEN YOU CAME IN, YOU MAY NOT HAVE NOTICED THAT THERE WERE FORMS THAT ARE DRAINAGE ASSESSMENT REQUEST FORMS, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO FILL THOSE OUT. CHIEF HENLEY IN THE BACK THERE IS HOLDING THEM UP.

BEFORE YOU LEAVE TODAY, FILL THOSE OUT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT THERE'S WE HERE IN THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO CONSIDER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.

BUT THERE ARE PRIVATE DRAINAGE ISSUES, AND WE GET THESE A LOT ALL ACROSS THE TOWN AND WE CAN WORK WITH YOU, ADVISE YOU, KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME OBJECTIONS, BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU DO CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THERE'S ALSO COMPONENTS ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. AND IF YOU FILL THOSE FORMS OUT AND MAKE CONTACT WITH YOU, WE CAN COME OUT, ENGAGE YOU AND HAVE A DIALOG IN A CONVERSATION, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A PARTNERSHIP IN A LOT OF CASES OF NO MATTER IF WE DO A CAPITAL PROJECT, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY TO SUCCESSFULLY ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.

SO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO FILL ONE OF THOSE FORMS OUT BEFORE YOU LEAVE, AND LEAVE THAT INFORMATION SO WE CAN GET YOU IN THE QUEUE.

AND WHAT'S GOOD IS THAT WHEN WE DEAL IN THE RAINY SEASON, WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF THESE ACROSS THE TOWN.

BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE QUICKER THAT YOU CAN FILL THOSE OUT, WE CAN GET THAT ENGAGEMENT, BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU. SO AGAIN, JUST FILL THOSE FORMS OUT ON YOUR WAY OUT BEFORE YOU GO OUT.

AND I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION.

I'M GOING TO ASK BLAKE HUMMEL, OUR SENIOR PROJECT ENGINEER, TO COME UP, AND HE IS GOING TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IN THIS AREA. AND THIS IS AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME SPEAKERS THAT CAME AND SPOKE ABOUT SOME AREAS, BUT THIS CONVERSATION IS MAINLY AROUND THAT SUNSET TRAIL AREA IS WHAT THIS PRESENTATION CENTERS AROUND. SO WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BLAKE.

[C. WORK SESSION ITEM ]

I WANT TO THANK TOWN COUNCIL, THE MAYOR AND ALL THE RESIDENTS FOR COMING OUT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I THINK THIS DIALOG HELPS EVERYONE GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA, SO WE CAN ALL TRY TO COME TO A SOLUTION. THE PURPOSE OF MY PRESENTATION REALLY HERE, I WANT TO SET THE BACKGROUND OF THE HISTORICAL CONDITIONS OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, THE DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE TO GET TO OUR POINT THAT WE'RE AT TODAY, SOME OPTIONS THAT WE COULD HAVE.

AND WHAT WE'VE CONVEYED TO THE RESIDENTS THAT OUR RESIDENT MEETING THAT WE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK.

SO JUST KICKING IT OFF. THIS IS THE OLDEST, CLEAREST HISTORICAL IMAGE THAT I COULD FIND THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY MAKE OUT SOME GOOD DATA OFF OF IT'S BACK FROM 1958, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THOSE BLUE ARROWS THAT ARE COMING DOWN FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH.

IS THAT EXISTING DRAINAGE PATH THAT'S COMING DOWN TO GRAPEVINE LAKE.

THE RED LINES THAT YOU'RE SEEING ARE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES THAT EXIST TODAY.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT FALL OUT AROUND THE NORTH, WENT INTO SOME VARIOUS STOCK PONDS, LOOK LIKE THEY WERE USING IT FOR SOME AGRICULTURAL USES, OVERFLOWED ACROSS SUNSET TRAIL AND THEN THROUGH THE HEAVILY, HEAVILY WOODED CREEK AREA.

THAT'S NOW GOING TO BE THE KNIGHTS LANDING DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THERE, AS THE SUBDIVISIONS FOR HIDDEN VALLEY COUNTRY ESTATES AND SHILOH RANCH ESTATES GOT DEVELOPED. THE WAY THAT DEVELOPER LOOKED LIKE HE HAD INTENDED TO FACILITATE GETTING THE DRAINAGE TO GRAPEVINE LAKE WAS PRETTY MUCH ALLEVIATE IN THE EXISTING CONDITION THAT IT WAS AT PRIOR. THEY REMOVED SOME OF THE STOCK PONDS, BUT THE WAY THEY TOOK THAT, AS OPPOSED TO ROUTING IT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY OR INSTALLING SOME UNDERGROUND STORM SYSTEMS, THEY KIND OF LEFT THAT NATURAL DRAINAGE PATH FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH.

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JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF THE SCOPE OF THIS DRAINAGE AREA THAT ACTUALLY FLOWS THROUGH THIS AREA.

I GRABBED THIS IMAGE FROM 1995 JUST TO KIND OF SHOW, BY THE MID 90S, A LOT OF THE ROADS, EVERYTHING THAT WAS THROUGH HERE WERE PRETTY MUCH SET.

THERE'S SOME EMPTY LOTS THAT WERE GETTING BUILT OUT OVER THE YEARS, BUT THE RED AREA THAT YOU SEE IS PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE DRAINAGE BASIN THAT ENDS UP DOWN AT THAT CULVERT AT SUNSET TRAIL. IT'S ABOUT 130 ACRES, SO IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE DRAINAGE BASIN THAT I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND BY LOOKING AT ALL THE RESIDENTS PHOTOS AND VIDEOS OF HOW MUCH DRAINAGE KIND OF BISECTS THROUGH SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES REALLY PRETTY MUCH EXTENDS FROM SUNSET TRAIL ALL THE WAY UP TO RAINTREE AND ADA. INTERSECTION IS KIND OF THE NORTHERN TERMINUS OF THAT DRAINAGE BASIN.

MOVING ON TO 2025 IMAGERY, YOU CAN SEE A COUPLE OF EXTRA HOUSES WERE KIND OF BUILT ALONG RIDGE CREST TRAIL.

SOME OTHER AREAS, SOME ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WERE BUILT THROUGH THERE.

BUT OVERALL, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, THE DRAINAGE BASIN PRETTY MUCH STAYED CONSISTENT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY NEW OFFSITE DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURRED THAT KIND OF TIED INTO THIS BASIN TO TRY TO CHANGE THAT OVERALL FLOW OVER THE YEARS.

THE EXISTING BASIN HAS STAYED PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENT OVER, OVER THE BUILD OUT OF THE YEARS, WHICH IS GOOD. BUT I MEAN, WE'RE STILL HAVING TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF THAT RUNOFF WORKING THROUGH THESE, THESE PROPERTIES. AND JUST TO ILLUSTRATE, I KNOW A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS WERE STATING THAT MAIN ISSUE.

I KNOW THERE'S ISSUES TO THE NORTH AND SOME OFF TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST, BUT FOR THIS PORTION OF THE DRAINAGE BASIN, A LOT OF THE ISSUES START AT THE LOW POINT OF RAIN TREE CROSSES THAT CULVERT, AND IT ACTUALLY WORKS ITS WAY ACROSS THE PROPERTY ON RAIN TREE WORKS ITS WAY SOUTH THROUGH THE PROPERTIES ON RIDGECREST, CROSSES SUNSET TRAIL, BISECTS THROUGH THE KNIGHTS LANDING DEVELOPMENT, ACROSS A COUPLE OF OTHER SEPARATE PRIVATE PROPERTIES UNTIL IT GETS TO THE LAKE.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO PULL THESE 2001 AERIAL CONTOURS FROM COG JUST TO KIND OF GET A BASELINE TO COMPARE FROM 2000, EARLY 2000 TO 2019, IF THERE WERE ANY CHANGES THAT WERE NOTICEABLE WITH SOME OF THE AERIAL TOPOGRAPHY THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US.

AND ON THIS NEXT SLIDE, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BUSY BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED, HIGHER RESOLUTION FOR THE LIDAR IMAGERY THAT THEY GRABBED.

BUT FROM MY EYE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE INTENTION FROM THE LOW POINT ON RAINTREE HAS STAYED PRETTY CONSISTENT.

IT STILL CROSSES THROUGH THE PROPERTY ON RAINTREE TO THE SOUTH, CROSSING THE BISECTING THE PROPERTIES ON RIDGECREST, CROSSING SUNSET TRAIL AND GOING THROUGH THE KNIGHTS LANDING DEVELOPMENT.

SO TO AT LEAST TO MY EYE, I KNOW SOME OF THE SWALES MAY HAVE KIND OF SHALLOWED OUT OVER THE YEARS, BUT THE OVERALL INTENTION FOR THAT DRAINAGE PATH LOOKS TO STAY PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENT FROM WHAT IT WAS AT THE INCEPTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT WE'VE CONVEYED TO THE RESIDENTS AT OUR RESIDENT MEETING FOR THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, AT LEAST THE TOWN'S CURRENT INTENTION THAT WE'RE PLANNING IS PRETTY MUCH REPLACING THE STORM SYSTEM IN KIND.

WE HAVE A FAILING SYSTEM THERE. THE DROP INLET ISN'T IN THE BEST CONDITION.

WE HAVE SEPARATED PIPE CROSSING THE ROAD. OUR HEAD WALL IS WASHING OUT AND GETTING UNDERCUT.

SO CURRENT PLAN RIGHT NOW WOULD BE WE'RE REPLACING ABOUT 125 FOOT OF 48 INCH RCP STORM LINE AND REPLACING THE INLET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD AND RECONSTRUCTING THE HEADWALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ALONG WITH SOME ADDITIONAL RIPRAP FOR EROSION PROTECTIONS.

WITH THAT IMPROVEMENT, WE CAN LOOK AT TRYING TO HELP FACILITATE WITH THE RESIDENTS GETTING TOGETHER TO TRY TO DEEPEN THAT THROAT. SO IF THEY WOULD WANT TO KIND OF DEEPEN THEIR SWALES THROUGH THE PROPERTY, ADD SOME ADDITIONAL SLOPE, TRY TO REDEFINE THOSE BOUNDARIES THAT COULD HELP BETTER CONTAIN THAT FLOW.

WE COULD AT LEAST ALLOW THEM THE OPTION TO TIE INTO THAT SYSTEM A LITTLE BIT LOWER, GIVING THEM SOME MORE DEPTH, MORE STORAGE CAPACITY THROUGH THE SWALE THAT GOES THROUGH THEIR PROPERTIES.

BUT IT WOULD REALLY BE A COMBINED EFFORT FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE OWNERS ON RIDGECREST TO ACTUALLY PULL THAT OFF AND GET THAT TO, TO OCCUR. THESE ARE JUST SOME PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING CONDITION THAT WE HAVE THERE.

SO TOP RIGHT IS ACTUALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SUNSET TRAIL.

YOU CAN SEE THE THE PIPE IS PRETTY MUCH ERODED THE CREEK DOWN TO BEDROCK, UNDERCUTTING THE PIPE STARTING TO FALL OFF AND GET WASHED OUT AT SOME OF THE JOINTS. ACTUALLY, FURTHER DOWNSTREAM, THERE'S ACTUALLY A PIECE OF THE PIPE THAT HAS HAS SINCE GOT WASHED OFF AND GOT SENT DOWNSTREAM WITH WITH THE SIGNIFICANT EROSION THAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE BOTTOM TWO, YOU'VE GOT INSIDE THE PIPE,

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AND IT LOOKS LIKE AT SOME POINT AND THIS MAY TIE INTO THE SINKHOLE THAT WAS MENTIONED ON SUNSET TRAIL, IT LOOKED LIKE SOMEONE AT IN THE PAST HAD TRIED TO LINE THE INTERIOR OF THAT STORM SYSTEM TO TRY TO KIND OF PROLONG THE SERVICE LIFE OF OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE GROUND CURRENTLY.

PHOTO ON THE LEFT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SUNSET TRAIL, THE EXISTING DROP INLET.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE GROUTED RIPRAP ISN'T IN THE BEST CONDITION.

SLOPES ARE FAIRLY STEEP COMING OFF THE ROAD, BUT WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP FACILITATE THOSE RESIDENTS WITH, IF WE CAN GET THEM TO AGREE TO COME IN AND TRY TO REDEFINE AND DEEPEN SOME OF THEIR SWALES THAT CUT THROUGH THE PROPERTY, WE CAN HELP ADJUST THE DEPTH OF THAT THROAT IN A WAY THAT CAN GET THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE CAPACITY ON THE SWALES THAT CUT THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. WONDERFUL.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK THAT TO THAT ONE SLIDE. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THE CAPACITY OF THIS ONE CULVERT.

I'M ASSUMING SO THAT MORE WATER CAN COME THROUGH.

SO THE PIPE SIZE CURRENTLY WOULD STAY THE SAME.

BUT WHAT WE COULD DO IS THIS EXISTING DROP INLET, THE THROAT, WHICH IS THE OPENING ON ALL THE SIDES OF THE ACTUAL DROP INLET, COULD ACTUALLY BE DEEPENED SIGNIFICANTLY TO ALLOW A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT FLOW TO ACTUALLY GET INTO THE SYSTEM.

AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO DEEPEN THEIR SWALES, TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE STORAGE CAPACITY WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE SWALE THAT'S CUT THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY. SO YOU INCREASE THE CAPACITY UPSTREAM.

BUT DOESN'T THAT INCREASE THE FLOW ONTO THE NEIGHBOR, MR. WOODS, ON MONET? I MEAN, HE'S ON THE OFF, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ALL BE PART OF THE DESIGN.

AND WITH THAT OUTFALL STRUCTURE THAT I MENTIONED, IF WE HAVE TO INSTALL SOME GABION BASKETS OR SOME GRADE STRUCTURES, ON THE DOWNSIDE, TO TRY TO OFFSET THOSE MITIGATIONS OF THE INCREASED FLOW THAT'S COMING INTO THAT PIPE, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT WITH THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT.

I'M SORRY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO LOOK AT THE DESIGN AND WHAT WOULD BE THE WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OUTFALL STRUCTURES AND SET POTENTIALLY SOME GRADE DROP STRUCTURES WITHIN THE EXISTING CREEK TO TRY TO HOLD BACK SOME OF THAT FLOW AND OFFSET THAT ADDITIONAL THAT'S GETTING ROUTED INTO THE THROAT OF THE INLET AND DISCHARGING ONTO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY. SO THIS WOULD BE ON THE KNIGHTS LANDING.

THIS WOULD GO THROUGH THE X SLOT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND THAT'S PART OF THIS PROJECT.

THE TOWN WOULD BE PAYING FOR THAT. THE HEADWALL IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS.

YES. ON THE UPSTREAM AND THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE.

YEAH. IT'S TWO DIFFERENT. IT'S TWO PROJECTS. ONE IS THE MAINTENANCE PROJECT, WHICH WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OUTFALL OF THE 30 INCH, IS IT 30 INCH? 48. 48 INCH PIPE. WE'RE GOING TO POSSIBLY PUT SOME GABION BASKETS TO PREVENT EROSION AND THE DISCHARGE OF THE 48 INCH PIPE TO PREVENT EROSION HERE.

OKAY. RIGHT FURTHER DOWN. AND THAT WOULDN'T INCREASE CAPACITY THROUGH THAT 48 INCH PIPE.

YOU STILL HAVE 48 INCH PIPE. SO YOU'RE NOT INCREASING THE CAPACITY.

RIGHT. WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE LOWERING THE INLET.

SO YOU'RE ALLOWING THE PEOPLE UPSTREAM TO REDEFINE THEIR CHANNEL, WHICH PROVIDES THEM A LITTLE MORE STORAGE FOR THE WATER TO MAKE SURE IT'S CONVEYED QUICKLY ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY INSTEAD OF STORING ON THEIR PROPERTY.

RIGHT? SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIKE WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE CAPACITY OF THE 48 INCH PIPE.

SO WE'RE JUST PROVIDING ADDITIONAL STORAGE. HOW IT WAS IN LIKE 2001.

DO YOU HAVE AN AERIAL OF 2001 THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING YOU'RE BUILDING THE STORAGE? WELL, IT'S. SO DO YOU HAVE THE PRE AND POST? I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE HAD A PICTURE.

ONE MORE. HERE YOU GO. ON THE LEFT HERE WHERE THE RED ARROW IS, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS FROM 2001.

YOU CAN SEE A VERY CLEAR DEFINED CHANNEL. VERY CLEAR.

AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT THERE HAS THE CHANNEL IS NOT THERE ANYMORE.

RIGHT. SO IT COULD BE FROM PEOPLE. IT COULD BE FROM HORSES MOVING DIRT OR THE SAND OR SILT FILLING IN THE EXISTING CHANNEL.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE WATER COMING ACROSS PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, IT DOESN'T HAVE A NICE PLACE TO GO.

IT SPREADS OUT WIDE. IT SLOWS DOWN. AND THEN IT JUST KIND OF SLOWLY DRAINS ACROSS THEIR PROPERTIES.

WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING WITH THIS IS WITH OUR PROJECT POSSIBLY LOWERING OUR INLET AND ALLOWING THE RESIDENTS TO REDEFINE THE CHANNEL THROUGH THEIR PROPERTIES, WHICH KIND OF CONTAINS THE FLOW, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INCREASE THE CAPACITY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT'S STORING THE WATER, RIGHT? IT'S STORING. IT'S BASICALLY STORING THE WATER. YEAH. SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE DOWNSTREAM FLOW AS MUCH.

CORRECT. YEAH. SO BRIAN DOES THE POOR PERFORMANCE OF THAT CULVERT, IS THAT CAUSING THAT WATER TO BACK UP AND SPREAD OUT AND DEPOSIT SILT AND DO SOME OF THE CHANNEL CHANGES THAT YOU'RE SHOWING IN THESE TWO PICTURES?

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IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT ON THE LEFT, THE 2001 AERIAL, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF I WOULD SAY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HORSE STABLES OR PASTURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THE RIGHT. YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE THERE'S SOME BARE GROUND, RIGHT? SO THAT STUFF ERODES FASTER, WHICH WOULD SILT IN THOSE DRAINAGE CULVERTS FASTER.

SO THAT THAT THERE COULD BE MULTIPLE FACTORS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO THE SO JUST FIXING THE CULVERT IS ONE STEP.

BUT THERE'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS.

CORRECT. OKAY. AND CAN YOU ALSO JUST DISCUSS THE OTHER CULVERT ON THE ONE UP IN THE IN THAT CORNER THERE PLEASE.

YEAH. THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, PUBLIC WORKS. THAT'S WHAT WE IDENTIFIED SOME ISSUES OUT THERE. WE'RE WAITING ON THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT OR GOING FORWARD BEFORE WE ACTUALLY MAKE A PERMANENT MAINTENANCE ISSUE MAINTENANCE FIX TO DETERMINE.

SO WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

SO IS IT I MEAN, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE FOR SURE.

IT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. OKAY, GOOD. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE INLET ON THE NORTH SIDE RIGHT HERE.

SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE PICTURE WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE THROAT TO ALLOW MORE.

I KNOW WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE PIPE SIZE, SO WE'RE SITTING ON 48 INCH PIPE.

I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS THE LIMITING FACTOR.

THE THROAT GETTING THE WATER FROM THE SURFACE INTO THE PIPE AND BY INCREASING THAT, WILL THAT ALLOW MORE FLOW OR IS IT A 48 INCH PIPE? IS THAT THE LIMITING FACTOR? THE 48 INCHES ALREADY UNDERSIZED FOR THE AMOUNT OF FLOW FOR THAT 130 ACRES IS FLOWING DOWN TO THIS POINT, YOU WOULD NEED A LARGE BOX CULVERT TO ACCEPT ALL THAT FLOW IF YOU WANT IT TO GO UNINHIBITED THROUGH UNDERNEATH SUNSET TRAIL.

SO THE CURRENT 48 INCH IS KIND OF THE RESTRICTING FACTOR THERE, CORRECT? OKAY. AND THE REASON WE CAN'T MAKE IT BIGGER IS SO IF WE MAKE IT BIGGER, THIS GOES INTO WE'RE CHASING DOWNSTREAM BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW UNOBSTRUCTED FLOW TO GO THROUGH AND UNDER SUNSET TRAIL.

THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE MORE SIGNIFICANT EROSION DOWNSTREAM THROUGH THE KNIGHTS LANDING DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT WOULDN'T REALLY REMAIN A CREEK AT THAT POINT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TO ACTUALLY DEFINE THE CROSS SECTION OF THAT CHANNEL THAT GOES THROUGH THE KNIGHTS LANDING DEVELOPMENT AND, LIKE I SAID, POTENTIALLY INSTALL SOME GRADE DROP STRUCTURES, SOME GABION BASKETS TO HELP TRY TO OFFSET IT BEFORE IT GETS TO WHERE IT CROSSES OVER INTO THE PROPERTIES OFF OF MONET COURT. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THIS SEEMS LIKE A SHORT TERM FIX.

IS THIS JUST THIS SEEMS LIKE A SHORT TERM FIX, AND IT'S NOT REALLY FIXING SOMETHING WITH A HEAVIER RAIN, AND YOU WOULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE STORAGE CAPACITY, BUT THE FLOW THAT'S GOING THROUGH THEM, IF THE RESIDENTS ARE WANTING THE FLOW TAKEN OFF OF THEM, THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE SEPARATE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE LONG TERM. I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT THIS JUST LOOKS LIKE A SHORT TERM FIX OF, OF A SMALLER. SO THE GOAL OR THE GOAL OF THIS PROJECT IS MAINTENANCE.

WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE CULVERT.

WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE PIPE, ITS MAINTENANCE, AND THEN WORKING WITH THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO REDEFINE THE CHANNEL SO IT FLOWS AS GOOD AS IT DID IN 2001. RIGHT. AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

AND I THINK I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING THIS IS ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE. THIS IS JUST WHAT WAS ALREADY PLANNED.

AND IT WILL HELP. BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY.

IT'S UNLIKELY TO TAKE AWAY THE WHOLE PROBLEM BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING, CORRECT ME IF I GO ASTRAY, IS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO MORE DOWNSTREAM IF WE MADE THIS PIPE BIGGER.

SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S OFF THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE KIND OF GETTING IT ALL OUT THERE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE COMPETING FACTORS, RIGHT? THERE'S JUST SO MUCH THAT'S GOING ON, INCLUDING STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHICH WE HAVE NO BUSINESS TOUCHING. RIGHT. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE ANY EASEMENTS DOWN THERE.

WE HAVE NO BUSINESS ON YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED YOU GUYS TO HEAR THIS. AND WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.

SO, NO, I DON'T THINK SO. YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY.

JUST BACKING OUT A LITTLE BIT. BUT WHAT AREAS OF WHAT AREAS WILL THIS IMPROVE.

SO THE ROADS, IF WE DO THIS AND DEEPEN THE THROATS AND THE RESIDENTS AGREE TO WORK TOGETHER TO KIND OF DEEPEN AND CONTINUE THAT REGRADING OF THE SWALES UP THROUGH THE NORTHERN PROPERTY ON RIDGECREST, YOU'D PRETTY MUCH GET THE LOTS ON RIDGECREST AND THEN THE LOT ON RAINTREE, YOU COULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE STORAGE CAPACITY, BUT BEYOND THAT, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE OFF OF SURVEYORS, IT'S A SEPARATE BASIN. THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE ISSUE WE'D HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT.

YEP. ON A FEW OF THE RESIDENTS HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY.

AND LOOK AT THE ENTIRE AREA. TALK TO US ABOUT THE MECHANICS OF THAT LOGISTICS.

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THAT'S KIND OF ALL OVER THIS AREA. YEAH, THAT DOESN'T IMPACT THIS ONE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO WHATEVER COUNCIL YOU KNOW, WANTS US TO DO.

I THINK THAT A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES COULD BE SOLVED WITH SIMPLE FIXES, YOU KNOW, ON SOME ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, SOME ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED EROSION IN THE CULVERTS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, SILTING IN. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PUBLIC WORKS CAN GO TAKE A LOOK AT.

AND FILLING OUT THOSE FORMS, BEING ABLE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THOSE RESIDENTS.

WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE INDIVIDUALLY TO SEE IF THOSE ARE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS.

AND WHILE WE'RE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK HOLISTICALLY. YOU KNOW, IF THIS CULVERT IS FILLED IN AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE CAN LOOK DOWN TO SEE IF ANY OF THE OTHER ONES ARE THE SAME.

AND THEN IF WE'RE OUT THERE AND WE NOTICE SOME THINGS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT COULD BE IMPROVED, WE CAN WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS AND PROVIDE THEM THAT INPUT TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT ALSO HELP IF YOU GUYS CAN DO THIS AND HOW, HOW WHAT'S INVOLVED WITH A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY? WE GET EXTERNAL VENDORS TO DO THIS, TO DO THIS COMPREHENSIVE STUDY.

THESE EXTERNAL ENGINEERS, WE DON'T DO IT INTERNALLY.

WE DO, WE GET SOMEBODY OUTSIDE. WE CAN DO A THIRD PARTY.

WE CAN DO A THIRD PARTY STUDY, IF YOU'D LIKE.

WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. IF YOU WANT A LARGE, COMPREHENSIVE STUDY, IT WOULD BE A THIRD PARTY ENGINEER THAT CAN RUN MODELS.

NORMALLY WHEN YOU DO A STUDY, YOU'RE CREATING PROJECTS.

SO THERE'S A NUMBER JUST IN WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.

THAT'S A NUMBER OF PROJECTS. THOSE ARE BEYOND MAINTENANCE OR WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

OR YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT STORMWATER FEE.

THOSE ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE DO WITH STORMWATER FEE.

THOSE ARE LARGE DOLLAR CAPITAL PROJECTS. BUT YOU WOULDN'T DO A STUDY UNLESS THAT WAS YOUR INTENT WAS TO CREATE PROJECTS.

SO A STUDY DOESN'T IT CREATES THE PROJECTS AND STUDIES THE WHOLE AREA.

AND THAT'S A NUMBER OF PROJECTS AS THEY TALKED ABOUT, IF YOU MAKE A CHANGE IN ONE AREA, YOU'RE ALSO AFFECTING UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM.

SO THAT IS OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE CREATED BY THROUGHOUT THAT STUDY.

SO ESSENTIALLY A STUDY WOULD CREATE A NUMBER OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

AND THE CAPITAL PROJECTS MAY OR MAY NOT ONLY BE ON OUR IN.

WELL, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY EASEMENTS THERE, BUT WE HAVE RIGHTS OF WAY.

SO, IF ANY OF THE PROJECTS ARE INDICATED BY THE STUDY OUTSIDE THE RIGHTS OF WAY, IT WOULD REQUIRE EASEMENTS BEING GRANTED TO US TO GIVE US PERMISSION TO WORK ON THAT LAND, CORRECT. A NUMBER OF THE PROJECTS JUST I MEAN, BLAKE CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THEM JUST BY WHAT WE'VE LISTENED TO AS ENGINEERS TONIGHT.

THEY WOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE LARGE BOX CULVERT PROJECTS, WHICH CAN HAVE LARGE DITCHES THAT REMOVE LOTS OF TREES ACROSS PRIVATE PROPERTY, USUALLY BECAUSE YOU CAN TELL THAT'S WHERE THE DRAINAGE IS.

YOU WOULD BE PIPING LARGE AREAS OF DRAINAGE IN LARGE BOX CULVERTS.

SO IT'S A ACROSS WHAT WOULD BECOME EASEMENTS.

IT'S EXPENSIVE AND IT IT WOULD BE IN A NUMBER OF AREAS THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE THAT WHOLE AREA THAT WHERE THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF PROJECTS LIKE THAT.

AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN THE PAST. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PART OF OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM IN THE PAST.

AND SPEAKING OF THE THE EXPENSE WHICH FUND WOULD THIS WOULD NEED TO FUND ANY OF THESE TYPES OF CAPITAL PROJECTS? WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS THIS WOULD COME OUT OF THE STORMWATER FUND.

JAMES CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT ALSO, BUT THAT WOULD MEAN WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT STORMWATER RATES UPCOMING.

SO THAT WOULD CREATE A LARGER DOLLAR THAT NEEDS TO BE COVERED BY STORMWATER RATES.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PAID BY EVERYONE THROUGH STORMWATER RATES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.

WOULD THERE BE A WAY TO SET UP A PROJECT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD KEEP THE THE STORMWATER RATE IN THIS, YOU KNOW, GIVEN AREA? NO, BECAUSE I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS CHALLENGES, THE PRICE TAG.

AND IF YOU LIMIT THE NUMBER OF HOUSES, IT WILL COST PROHIBITIVE.

IF IT WAS ON PROPERTY, PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE JUST DID A SWAG ON IT JUST TO SEE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE HOUSEHOLD HAVING TO PAY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY.

TIFFANY SCHOOLED ME AND HELPED ME UNDERSTAND THAT DRAINAGE IS THE HARDEST THING TO CAPTURE IN THAT CONCEPT, BE IT A PID OR SOME OTHER VEHICLE TO CAPTURE REGIONALLY THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS DRAINAGE, IT'S GOING TO EXTEND.

AND SO IT'S KIND OF A PROPOSITION TO WHERE EVERY RATEPAYER WITHIN THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND WILL BE PAYING FOR PROJECTS IN THAT AREA.

THANK YOU. SO CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KNIGHTS LANDING AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THERE ON WHAT THE STUDY SHOWED AND. SO WHAT DO YOU WANT

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THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASED WATER GOING DOWN THE CREEK, WHERE IT'S GOING.

IS IT GOING DOWN SURVEYORS? SO MAYBE THE FIRST QUESTION IS WHERE IS KNIGHTS LANDING DRAINING INTO.

SO THEY'RE TAKING THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME BOAT AS THE FOLKS ON RIDGECREST.

THEY'RE TAKING THAT FLOW. CAN YOU PULL UP THE MAP? YEAH. JUST POINT IT OUT. PERFECT.

SO, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME BOAT AS A LOT OF THE FOLKS UP ON RIDGECREST.

SO THEY HAVE FLOW THAT'S COMING TO THEM THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH.

THEY CAN'T OBSTRUCT THAT. THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT AND MOVE IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH SET AS FAR AS THEIR DEVELOPMENT GOES.

SO IT'S COMING IN FROM THE NORTH, GOING THROUGH THE EXISTING CREEK, AND THEN CROSSES THROUGH SEVERAL PRIVATE PROPERTIES DOWN OFF MONET SURVEYORS AND UNTIL IT GETS TO GRAPEVINE LAKE. SO THEY ARE COMING THROUGH AND REALLY NO OFFSITE DRAINAGE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AS FAR AS THE LOSS THEY'RE CREATING, ARE GOING TO PUSH ANY DRAINAGE ON ANY OF THE LOTS TO THE SOUTH.

THAT'S ALL GETTING COLLECTED ON INTERNAL SWALES AND GETTING ROUTED AND COLLECTED IN A SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE THEN DISCHARGING AT STRATEGIC LOCATIONS INTO THE CREEK.

YEAH, I KNOW THERE'S SOME ISSUE ON SURVEYORS LANE.

THEY ARE ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE OF THEIR PROPERTY.

GOING TO BE REDEFINING A SWALE ON THAT WESTERN EDGE TO HELP COLLECT SOME OF THAT, WHERE I FORGET WHICH RESIDENT WAS.

BUT THEY HAD SOME PHOTOS OF THAT SHALLOW BAR DITCH ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD THERE.

SO THEY'LL BE INSTALLING A SWALE ON THAT WESTERN EDGE TO HELP COLLECT SOME OF THAT FOR WHAT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE WAS PRETTY MUCH JUST DRAINING OFF INTO THAT AREA AND THEN OVERTOPPING THE ROAD, SINCE THERE'S NO REAL SYSTEM THERE TO COLLECT IT.

SO THEY'LL BE GRABBING THAT AND PUTTING IT INTO THE CREEK.

AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THE CONCEPT AND THE VOLUME AND THE RATE OF RUNOFF THAT'S COMING THROUGH HERE.

SO THE WAY WE LOOK AT THIS, IT'S A RATE OF RUNOFF.

SO IT'S A IT'S A VOLUME OVER A POINT IN TIME.

THE ISSUE WE'D HAVE IF WE WANT TO PUT IT IN TERMS OF, OF PURE VOLUME, I DON'T REALLY KNOW A WAY YOU COULD DEVELOP REALLY ANYTHING AND NOT HAVE AN INCREASE IN VOLUME OFF SITE. I MEAN, YOU'RE, WE'RE TAKING A GRASSED AREA, ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS AREA.

SO THERE IS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF. BUT THE PROBLEM WE'D HAVE IF WE WANT TO GO IN AND TRY TO PUT A DETENTION POND IN HERE, IS THIS IS AT THE TAIL END OF AN OVERALL DRAINAGE BASIN.

AND IF WE ROUTE ALL THAT DRAINAGE INTO A LOCAL DETENTION POND AND SLOWLY RELEASE THAT RATE, THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO OCCUR WHEN THE FLOW FROM THE NORTH ACTUALLY STARTS TO COME THROUGH AND ACTUALLY HIT AT THIS LOCATION WHERE IN A NORMAL SITUATION THERE DRAINAGE WOULD ACTUALLY BE THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND PUSH DOWNSTREAM.

ALREADY. THEY'RE NOW HOLDING IT BACK AND POTENTIALLY INCREASING THAT PEAK FLOW.

AND THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IS THAT THAT PEAK FLOW, WHICH IS A VOLUME OVER TIME, THAT THEY'RE NOT INCREASING, THAT ANY OF THE RESIDENTS SOUTH OF THEM IN TERMS OF A VOLUME, THE VOLUME WOULD, WOULD BE INCREASED OVER TIME.

BUT THAT WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHICH IS THAT PEAK FLOW IS REALLY ACTUALLY BEING LOWERED, BY THE WAY, THEY'RE ROUTING THEIR STORM SYSTEM THROUGH THEIR DEVELOPMENT, AND IT CHANGES THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION AS FAR AS WHAT'S SHOWN IN THEIR MODEL.

AND I KNOW IT'S HARD CONCEPT TO GRASP, BUT IF WE HOLD THEM TO A NO INCREASE IN VOLUME, I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T REALLY DEVELOP ANYTHING. EVEN IF A DETENTION POND SET, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO RELEASE MORE VOLUME JUST OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT IT'S THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE OUT AND TRY TO CONVEY HERE IS IT'S NOT REALLY A VOLUME, IT'S A PEAK FLOW, WHICH IS A RATE. AND DOES PEAK FLOW USUALLY LEAD TO MORE EROSION COMPARED TO VOLUME? SO, THE WAY THEY HAVE THEIR SET, WE ALSO LOOK AT VELOCITIES TOO WITH THE FLOOD STUDY.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WATER SURFACE ELEVATIONS FLOW AND THEN VELOCITIES.

NONE OF THE OFFSITE CROSS SECTIONS THAT THEY HAVE SHOW ANY SORT OF INCREASE IN VELOCITIES.

THERE ARE A FEW INTERNAL TO THEIR SITE THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT.

BUT AS FAR AS BEFORE, THE DRAINAGE LEAVES THEIR SITE, THERE'S NO INCREASE IN WATER SURFACE ELEVATION AND NO INCREASE IN VELOCITIES.

AND JUST LOOKING AT THE MODEL AND SOME OF THE PHOTOS THAT STEPHEN WOODS HAD FOR SOME OF THE EROSION HE'S HAPPENING, I'M ALREADY SEEING PREEXISTING EROSIVE VELOCITIES THROUGH THAT SECTION.

AS YOU GET FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, THEY KIND OF DIE OFF.

BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS FAR AS EROSION ON HIS PROPERTY AND THE VELOCITIES I'M SEEING IN THE MODEL LOOK TO CORRESPOND WITH ONE ANOTHER.

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BUT IT'S STILL ALREADY IN KIND OF AN EROSIVE CONDITION.

SO HE'S KIND OF OUT OF LUCK. THEN YOU'RE SAYING WELL HE'S NOT OUT OF LUCK.

SO, AND I'M HAPPY TO MEET OUT WITH HIM. IF PEOPLE WANT TO FILL OUT THE DRAINAGE ASSESSMENT FORMS, WE CAN MEET OUT THERE AND GIVE THEM SOME ADVICE.

WE'VE HAD PRIVATE RESIDENTS DO SOME GABION BASKETS, SCOUR LOCK BASKETS, SOME BAG WALLS ON THEIR PROPERTY, SO THERE'S OPTION TO TRY TO STOP THAT EROSIVE BEHAVIOR IN THE CREEK FROM CREEPING BACK AND CREEPING BACK ONTO HIS PROPERTY.

I KNOW HE HAS A RECENT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HE BUILT.

HE'S PROBABLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT EROSION STARTING TO CREEP BACK AND CREEP BACK TOWARDS THAT. BUT THERE'S OPTIONS.

BUT AS FAR AS HOW IT SITS NOW, THERE'S NO DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT'S SET THAT DELINEATES THIS IS TOWN OWNERSHIP OF IT.

IT'S REALLY JUST A PREEXISTING DRAINAGE PATH THAT NO ONE REROUTED AS THESE SUBDIVISIONS GOT DEVELOPED.

AND I THINK WE JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY HOW THAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHY DID WHY DID YOU ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? SO IT HAPPENED BECAUSE WAY BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD STARTED TO BE DEVELOPED, WE DID NOT HAVE THESE STANDARDS IN PLACE. WE, YOU KNOW, NEW TOWN, WE'RE LEARNING, WE'RE GROWING, AND DEVELOPERS PRETTY MUCH DID WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO.

AND OVER THE YEARS, YES, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT AND WE'VE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES AND WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, AND WE HAVE SET ASIDE EASEMENTS WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT IT'S AN AREA YOU ALLOW US LEGALLY TO HAVE ACCESS TO.

BUT THAT DOESN'T EXIST HERE. IT WASN'T SET UP THAT WAY.

AND NOW IT MEANS ON THE BACK END, WE HAVE TO WORK HARDER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M HAPPY THAT ALMOST ALL OF YOU ARE HERE TO STAY, BECAUSE IT IS A SHARED SOLUTION.

WE CAN'T JUST GO ON YOUR PROPERTY AND MAKE THESE CHANGES.

STATE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW US TO SPEND ANY OF OUR TOWN MONEY ON IMPROVEMENTS FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. I NOTICED THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT YOU'RE CHANGING WHAT WOULD BE GOING OFF ANOTHER ROUTE BACK TO THE CREEK. SO IN ESSENCE, YOU ACTUALLY ARE INCREASING THE WATER TO THAT IN THAT ONE LOCATION, RIGHT? CAPTURING THAT LOCATION THAT IS, IS NOW NOT SET UP TO ACTUALLY BE COLLECTED AND SENT TO THE CREEK, AND THAT IS GETTING ROUTED TO THE CREEK.

SO THERE IS A SMALL AREA OF FLOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE CREEK.

BUT AS FAR AS EVERYTHING THEY HAVE SET IN THEIR MODEL, THERE'S STILL NO IDENTIFIABLE INCREASE IN WATER SURFACE ELEVATION, RATE OF RUNOFF OR VELOCITIES THROUGH THERE. AND IF WE DON'T DO THAT, IT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY GOING TO END UP BEING WORSE FOR THE RESIDENTS OVER ON SURVEYORS IN WOODRIDGE BECAUSE THAT'S NOW NOT GETTING COLLECTED, STILL OVERTOPPING THE ROADWAY, CROSSING THE STREET TO A BAR DITCH THAT'S REALLY NOT SET UP TO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ADEQUATELY CONTAIN AND CONVEY THAT FLOW TO THE SOUTH.

SO, I WOULD I GET YOUR CONCERN WITH IT, BUT WITHOUT THAT I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE ISSUES, ESPECIALLY ONCE THE LOTS COME IN. IF THEY DON'T COLLECT THAT AND ROUTE THAT TO THE CREEK AND ROUTE THAT OFF SITE TO THE TO THE INTERSECTION OF SURVEYORS AND WOODRIDGE.

BLAKE, GOING BACK TO THE HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW THE VIEWS FROM I THINK IT WAS EARLY 2000 WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE CLEARLY DEFINED CULVERT AND THEN RECENTLY IT'S NOT AS WELL DEFINED. EXACTLY.

SO, YOU TALKED ABOUT FLOW VELOCITY AND VOLUMES.

WE OBVIOUSLY THE CAPACITY HAS SOMEWHAT BEEN REDUCED BECAUSE OF THE INFILL AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.

IS THERE A WAY TO TELL IF THERE'S MORE VOLUME OR MORE FLOW RATE OF WATER? FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, HAS THAT INCREASED TODAY OR IS THERE A GOOD WAY TO DETERMINE THAT? WELL, THE OVERALL DRAINAGE BASIN REALLY HASN'T CHANGED.

SO, IF THERE WOULD BE MORE FLOW THROUGH THERE, WE'D BE LOOKING FOR MAYBE AN ISSUE ACTUALLY A LOT TRYING TO REGRADE OR ANOTHER DRAINAGE SYSTEM TYING INTO THIS BASIN WITH THAT NOT REALLY BEING OBSERVED TO OCCUR THROUGH HERE.

I WOULD SAY THE ACTUAL FLOW THROUGH HERE HAS PRETTY MUCH STAYED CONSISTENT.

THE PROBLEM REALLY IS JUST OVER THE YEARS THAT THAT SILT AND DEBRIS, BECAUSE IT'S GETTING CAUGHT UP AT SUNSET TRAIL, WATER IS GETTING STAGNANT, ALL THE SEDIMENT AND EVERYTHING.

I KNOW SOME RESIDENTS MENTIONED ALL THE PESTICIDES AND EVERYTHING WASHING OFF OTHER PEOPLE'S YARDS. IT TAKES SILT AND DEBRIS WITH IT, AND WHEN THAT WATER STOPS, IT STARTS TO SETTLE OUT.

AND IF THE SWALES AREN'T REALLY MAINTAINED OVER THE YEAR, IT CAN JUST SLOWLY CREEP UP ON YOU AS FAR AS YOU'RE JUST LOSING CAPACITY.

EVERY TIME IT REALLY RAINS AND THE SILT GETS DEPOSITED ON THEIR PROPERTY.

BUT AS FAR AS THE FLOW GOES, I'M NOT REALLY SEEING A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN IN FLOW THROUGH THERE.

WE HAVE SOME HIGHER INTENSITY VALUES JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH CURRENT STORMS COMPARED TO LIKE OLDER DESIGN CRITERIA.

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YEAH. AND ONE THING TO POINT OUT IS ON THE WE HAVE THE MORE DEFINED CHANNEL, BUT THE ONE THING IT'LL DO IS IN LOWER FLOW.

SO LIGHT RAINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE WATER WILL STAY IN THERE AND YOU WON'T SEE THAT CREEP OUT INTO THE YARDS AS IT FLATTENS OUT.

LIKE BLAKE WAS SAYING, YOU NOTICE MORE RAIN EVENTS.

YOU GET MORE EFFECT MORE FREQUENTLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT STAYING IN THE CHANNEL.

AND SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO DEEPEN THAT CHANNEL AND GET A MORE DEFINED CHANNEL LIKE YOU GOT THERE, ONE OF THE EFFECTS WILL BE YOU'LL HAVE LESS OCCURRENCES IN HEAVY RAINS.

YEAH, IT'S GOING TO SPREAD OUT BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THE DOWNSTREAM RESTRICTION.

BUT IN A LOT OF YOUR LIGHT RAINFALLS AND THINGS, IT'LL TEND TO STAY IN THAT CREEK AND YOU WON'T SEE STANDING WATER IN THE YARDS AT ALL.

AND SO THAT'S A BENEFIT OF DOING THAT. AND THEN AS IT FLATTENS OUT YOU HAVE THE ISSUE.

IT JUST STARTS TO CREEP OUT FARTHER AND FARTHER EVEN IN LIGHTER RAINS.

AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEEPENING THE SWALES AND EVERYTHING. BUT WITH THIS 2001 ARIEL TO CURRENT DAY, ARIEL, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE IT TAKES THAT 90 DEGREE TURN AS IT COMES FROM THE LOW POINT ON RAINTREE.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S PRETTY MUCH UNOBSTRUCTED IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT.

IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF TREES ALONG THAT FENCE LINE, BIRDS COMING IN, DROPPING SEEDS.

THEY HAVE GROWN UP OVER THE YEARS AND HAVEN'T BEEN CUT DOWN AND MAINTAINED, REALLY JUST KIND OF TAKING THAT DRAINAGE PATH THAT WE ALL KNOW TO EXIST THROUGH HERE AND TRYING TO KEEP THAT AS OPEN AND CONSISTENT AS POSSIBLE WOULD REALLY HELP ALSO.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN CLEANED SINCE I HAVEN'T WALKED BACK ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY THROUGH THERE, BUT A LOT OF THIS VEGETATION THAT'S KIND OF GROWN UP OVER THE YEARS IF IT WERE ME, I'D BE TRYING TO CLEAR THAT VEGETATION OUT.

SO, THERE WAS A FEW RESIDENTS WHO ASKED ABOUT DIVERTING FLOW TO SHILOH.

CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT. SO, THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT THEY'RE SET THE WAY THESE DEVELOPMENTS GET SET UP, THEY'RE SET PLANS, SET DRAINAGE AREA MAPS. EVERYTHING IS IDEALLY ANTICIPATED.

WHETHER THEY DID IT THE RIGHT WAY IN THE PAST OR NOT. I MEAN, WE'RE WORKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE TODAY AND WHAT DRAINS OFF TO SHILOH AND THROUGH MIRACLE LANE IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE DRAINAGE BASIN.

I WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS TAKING THE AMOUNT OF FLOW THAT'S COMING THROUGH HERE AND ROUTING IT OVER TO SHILOH.

WE CAN LOOK AND COMPARE THE BASINS THAT WERE PLANNED TO ON SITE CONDITIONS, TO SEE IF MAYBE THERE'S SOME SMALL MODIFICATIONS THAT CAN BE MADE JUST TO KIND OF GET BETTER IN LINE WITH WHAT THE PLANS WERE. BUT I WOULD NOT BE WANTING TO SIGN OFF ON TAKING THAT FLOW AND, AND PUTTING IT ON SOMEONE ELSE. IT'S. IT WASN'T PLANNED.

THE SYSTEM'S NOT REALLY DESIGNED TO TAKE THAT.

IT REALLY GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING WE WOULD HAVE WITH OUR.

YEAH. YOUR CRITERIA. YOU'RE KIND OF GOING AGAINST THE FLOW. YOU'RE GOING UPHILL. ALMOST. RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, MY INITIAL THOUGHTS ARE WE SHOULD TRY AND REBUILD THE DEPTH OF THE CREEK. WHAT WOULD THAT TAKE? WHAT DO WE NEED? WELL, SO RIGHT NOW, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND LIKE I SAID, ONE PERSON DOING IT IN THE MIDDLE ISN'T REALLY GOING TO WORK OUT IF IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT. WE NEED COOPERATION BETWEEN ALL THE RESIDENTS THROUGH HERE BECAUSE WE CAN HELP FACILITATE CHANGING THIS ELEVATION AND DEEPENING THAT SO THEY CAN STEEPEN OUT THEIR SWALE, DEEPEN THAT, GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CAPACITY.

BUT IF THE FIRST PERSON DOES IT AND THE OTHERS TO THE NORTH DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE THE FLOW LINES NEED TO TIE TOGETHER.

THIS IS ALL ONE CONTINUOUS SYSTEM, SO WE WOULD REALLY NEED COOPERATION BETWEEN THE TOWN, THEM GETTING OUR PLANS.

WE CONVEY THAT TO THEM, WHAT WE'RE DOING. THEY GET THEIR ENGINEER INVOLVED AND PUT TOGETHER A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT REDEFINES AND REGRADES THIS SWALE THROUGH HERE, WITH THE NEW PRETTY MUCH ELEVATION OF WHAT THEY WOULD DISCHARGE AT BEING LOWER, GIVING THEM SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY.

YEAH, BUT IF IF ONE PERSON REALLY DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT, IT IT KIND OF THROWS EVERYTHING OFF.

IT KIND OF NEEDS TO BE A GROUP EFFORT REALLY TO TO PULL THAT OFF.

YEAH. ALONG THOSE LINES, DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THIS COMPREHENSIVE THIRD PARTY STUDY MIGHT COST? YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, IT REALLY DEPENDS. A LOT OF THESE AREAS, SOME WERE SAID I WAS TALKING ABOUT SMITH TRACK WEST OF TOUR 18.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE SCOPE AND THE LIMIT OF WHERE THAT'S AT.

SO IF WE'RE DOING THE WHOLE CROSS TIMBERS DEVELOPED AREA THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN JUST THIS DRAINAGE BASIN, OR MAYBE THIS AND THE SURROUNDING DRAINAGE BASIN. SO WE WOULD KIND OF NEED TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT EXACTLY THE LIMITS YOU WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.

SO WE HAVE HEARD IN THE PAST COMPLAINTS FROM TOUR 18 FOLKS, THEY HAVE COME FORWARD AND NOW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS COME FORWARD.

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SO SPECIFIC DRIVEWAY CULVERTS TO INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

WOULD YOU BE WANTING US TO GO IN AND RESIZE ALL OF THOSE CULVERTS OR.

BECAUSE REALLY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO. I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SOLUTION YET.

YEAH. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS TRYING TO EVALUATE THE EFFICACY OF THE STUDY.

BUT WHAT I'M GRAPPLING WITH IS WE CAN DO THE STUDY, BUT THEN WHAT WE FIND OUT IS VERY, VERY LIKELY TO NECESSITATE 100% COOPERATION BETWEEN EVERY NEIGHBOR THAT'S AFFECTED BY THAT DRAINAGE AREA, RIGHT.

SO WHAT I'M GRAPPLING WITH A LITTLE BIT IS, IS THE COST JUSTIFIED IF WE CANNOT GET TO A SOLUTION BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE AGREES TO COOPERATE. SO I'M TRYING TO SEE HOW MUCH IS IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT.

BUT PEOPLE DON'T AGREE THAT THEY'RE ALL GOING TO CHIP IN AND WORK TOGETHER, THEN IT MIGHT NOT BE JUSTIFIED FOR JUST THIS BASIN.

I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD BREACH OVER 100 K SIGNIFICANTLY.

YOU'D PROBABLY BE AROUND 100 K, I WOULD SAY WITH THE DETAIL THAT WE'D HAVE TO GO IN, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE ISSUES ARE KIND OF MINUTE ISSUES, SOME ON PRIVATE PROPERTY CULVERTS THAT WERE ADDED BACK OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WE'D BE HAVING TO REALLY KIND OF DIG IN AND GET THOSE DETAILS TO ACTUALLY GET A PLAN PUT TOGETHER TO PRESENT WHAT PROJECTS COULD COME OUT OF THE STUDY. BUT I WOULD PROBABLY SAY ABOUT LIKE 100 K FOR, FOR THIS BASIN.

BUT I DO THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME FORWARD AND THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE TOUR 18 ISSUE AS WELL TONIGHT.

BUT IF WE DID IT, IF WE EXPANDED IT MORE COMPREHENSIVELY, I MEAN, WHERE, WHAT AND SO MANY MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO COOPERATE, BECAUSE I DO TRULY BELIEVE THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, AS IT WERE, WITH THE HISTORY OF IT, MANY OF THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE DONE WILL BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO UNLESS EVERYONE IN THAT WHOLE DRAINAGE BASIN AGREES TO GRANT AN EASEMENT, WE CAN'T REALLY COME TO A SOLUTION THAT REALLY WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

AND I DON'T FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS, I THINK IF WE EXTEND IT TO THE WHOLE CROSS TIMBERS, WE ARE BITING OFF WAY MORE THAN WE CAN CHEW AND MORE THAN NEIGHBORS WOULD BE ABLE TO COLLABORATE TOGETHER. BUT I DO THINK I AGREE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE STUDY, THOUGH.

YOU CAN SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MITIGATE SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE EASEMENTS.

POSSIBLY, BUT THAT COMPREHENSIVE STUDY WOULD AT LEAST ALLOW US TO DIAGNOSE IT AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE. WELL, I'M NOT NECESSARILY COMFORTABLE IN SPENDING SO MUCH OF THE PUBLIC FUNDS TO DIAGNOSE PRIVATE PROPERTY REMEDIES, BECAUSE WE WOULD THAT IS KIND OF LIKE SPENDING PUBLIC FUNDS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY ISSUES.

BUT IF OUR BUILDING, IF WE'RE BUILDING, WE'RE DEVELOPING.

THAT'S DIFFERENT. THAT'S DIFFERENT AND THAT AFFECTS.

BUT THAT'S SO SOLVING NEW PROBLEMS, THAT'S NOT ADDRESSING EXISTING CONDITIONS, THAT'S DIFFERENT.

SO, WE ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN. NO WE DIDN'T. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO WE DID NOT.

NO, WE DID NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THIS HAPPENED BEFORE WE EVEN HAD ANY OF THESE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE.

WE DID NOT ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. NO ONE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS.

IF WE'RE BUILDING, IF WE'RE DEVELOPING. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

WE DO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

WE ABSOLUTELY DO. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO AUSTIN, TO FIGHT PREEMPTIVE STATE RULES THAT WOULD PREVENT US FROM TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.

SO, I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS THE TOWN'S FAULT, BUT THE TOWN DID APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND THE TOWN. NO, IT WAS WAY BEFORE WE HAD THE STANDARDS IN PLACE IN ORDER TO PREVENT SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

AGREED. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE STANDARDS BACK THEN THAT WERE IN PLACE.

WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE STANDARDS FOR IT WAS OUTSIDE.

WE DIDN'T REQUIRE THEM WHICH. NEW DEVELOPMENT WE DO.

SO WAIT, JAMES. SO, OKAY, IF WE LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, IF WE DID A MAJOR.

I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE DOING IT, BUT IF IF WE DID A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY, WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME FROM? WHAT FUND WOULD THAT COME FROM? NOT THE STORMWATER FUND.

NO, I MEAN, THE STUDY ITSELF. NOT THAT NOT THE ACTUAL IMPROVEMENT.

SO, THE THING THAT COMES OUT OF THE SAME FUND.

THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE OPERATION. AND THAT'S THE THING YOU HAVE TO REMIND YOU THAT THESE ARE ENTERPRISE OPERATIONS.

THEY OPERATE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN OUR GENERAL FUND. SO, WE HAVE UTILITY FUNDS FOR OUR WATER WASTEWATER.

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THAT'S GOING TO INFORM WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE NEXT BUDGET PROCESS. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE STUDY ITSELF WAS.

WELL, THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT STUDY TO COME UP WITH A RATE MODEL. THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY THIS.

SO, THE BIGGEST THING THAT I CAN STRESS IS THAT YOU DON'T DO A STUDY.

STUDY CREATES PROJECTS AND EXPENDITURES. THERE'S NOT A STUDY JUST TO DO A STUDY.

SO, IF YOU DO A STUDY IT'S GOING TO KICK OUT CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THEN AT THAT POINT YOU HAVE TO COMMIT FUNDS TOO.

IT'S GOING TO RECOMMEND CHANGES. YES, IT'S GOING TO RECOMMEND CHANGES. SO, IT'S GOING TO CREATE CAPITAL PROJECTS. IT'S GOING TO POPULATE THE STORMWATER PORTION OF OUR CIP. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR ENTERPRISE FUND, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE TO COVER SAID PROJECTS.

AND THAT'S GOING TO PRECIPITATE A VERY DRAMATIC INCREASE IN THE STORMWATER RATES ACROSS TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND.

AND I THINK THE CONCERN WITH IT IS, IS THAT THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T GO 0 TO 60 NECESSARILY ON THIS.

YOU HAVE TO EASE INTO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU BECAUSE THERE'S DEEPER RAMIFICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR DEBT COVERAGE RATIOS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT JEOPARDIZE OUR OUR BOND RATINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO I WOULD CAUTION IF WE GO IN THAT DIRECTION, WE HAVE TO DO VERY SMARTLY AND CAUTIOUSLY TO ENSURE THAT FINANCIALLY WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE THESE ON. SO THE BIGGEST THING WHEN YOU WANT TO GO IN AND YOU WANT TO DO THESE STUDIES, YOU DON'T STUDY FOR THE SAKE OF STUDYING.

YOU STUDY TO CREATE PROJECTS TO BE DONE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE HERE.

AND SO, IF WE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, THAT'S THE ONE THING I'LL JUST TELL YOU. IF WE DO A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE SENSE OF WHAT HE DID FOR THIS PARTICULAR BASE.

AND IF YOU START EXPANDING THAT, YOU CAN START TO GET A SENSE OF THE COST OF THE SCOPE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE STUDY. SO THAT'S THE THING I JUST, YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL CLARIFY AND I'LL GIVE I'LL GIVE THIS A CHANCE. TIFFANY, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WHEN YOU SAY STUDY QUOTATION MARKS, THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN-HOUSE TO ANALYZE AND TAKE A LOOK AT STUFF.

WHEN YOU BRING IN A THIRD PARTY, IT'S GOING TO CREATE PROJECTS.

AND SO THERE'S SOME COMPONENTS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT INTERNALLY TO DETERMINE IF THERE, YOU KNOW, WAYS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE MATTERS.

BUT WHEN I HEAR STUDY I'M HEARING WE GO OUT TO THE FORMAL PROCESS, BRING IN A THIRD PARTY TO DEVELOP A STUDY.

THAT STUDY IS GOING TO CREATE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WILL POPULATE OUR CIP.

AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GENERATE THE REQUISITE AMOUNT OF REVENUE TO COVER SAID PROJECTS.

SO I JUST WANT TO CLEAR THAT UP WHEN WE SAY STUDY.

THERE ARE STUDIES THAT WE CAN DO INTERNALLY, BUT WHEN WE WHEN I HEAR STUDY, IT'S CAPITAL PROJECTS AND GENERATING REVENUE TO COVER THEM.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF AN INTERNAL STUDY BECAUSE I WANT TO HELP.

IT'S A HORRIBLE THING TO HAVE WATER WASH AWAY YOUR PROPERTY.

I LOST A 70 INCH CIRCUMFERENCE TREE LAST YEAR BECAUSE I HAVE LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE, BECAUSE MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1994, BEFORE WE KNEW AND BEFORE THE TOWN ENFORCED THESE ORDINANCES AND EXPECTATIONS.

SO I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DAMAGE MYSELF. AND I DON'T WANT ANY OF YOU TO HAVE ANY MORE DAMAGE, BUT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT VERY STRATEGICALLY AND CONSIDER ALL THE FACTORS.

AND WHAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE IS FOR ALL OF YOU TO FILL OUT THAT FORM THAT CHIEF HENLEY HAS TO ASK FOR US TO COME ON THE PROPERTY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT AS FIRST STEPS. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP.

AND THEN WE RECONVENE AND SEE. OKAY. WE'VE DONE TAKEN THESE MEASURES.

WE'VE MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

HOPEFULLY THOSE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED. WE DO THIS MAINTENANCE PROJECT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AT THAT POINT.

AND THEN BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT PICTURE, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT BETTER. MAYBE NOT, BUT AT LEAST WE'LL KNOW AT THAT POINT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

AND THEN AS KNIGHT'S LANDING COMES FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE US TO TALK TO THEM.

DID YOU CALL IT ROCK RIPRAP? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THE GAB? GABBY GABION. OKAY. THANKS FOR HELPING ME. I CAN KIND OF PICTURE IT IN MY HEAD, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT AND SEE WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS AND UNDERSTAND.

AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME TIME PARAMETERS PUT.

AND IF YOU COULD HELP US SET EXPECTATIONS FOR HOW SOON YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET OUT AND HELP THE FOLKS WHO FILL OUT THIS FORM.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO. YEAH. IF WE.

SO, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT A LOT OF RESIDENTS CAME OUT, WHICH IS GREAT.

MEETING WITH THEM. I'M ONE PERSON. I DO HAVE OTHER PROJECTS.

SO I THINK THE BEST THING WE COULD DO IS WE CAN SET A TIME A COUPLE DAYS A WEEK, BLOCK OFF LIKE HALF A DAY.

WE CAN MEET OUT WITH THE RESIDENTS, KNOCK OUT AS MANY AS WE CAN THROUGH THERE, AND JUST KIND OF SLOWLY KIND OF WORK THROUGH THAT LIST, GET REPORTS AT THE END, JUST WHAT WE WHAT WE WITNESSED, TAKE SOME PHOTOS, WHAT WE RECOMMEND AND THEN WHAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO.

INTERNAL AS FAR AS THE TOWN GOES, IF THERE'S ANY RESPONSIBILITY AS FAR AS OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT,

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BUT, I MEAN, WE CAN START AS SOON AS WE GET THOSE IN.

I HAVE NO ISSUES. WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE KEY POINTS IS IF YOU IF YOU'RE DOING THIS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND YOU'RE IDENTIFYING THINGS AND YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A TOWN PROJECT, LET'S MAKE SURE WE IDENTIFY THOSE AND YOU MAYBE FOLLOW UP LATER THIS SUMMER AFTER YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THAT.

GENERATE THE REPORTS. ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS? WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AT ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING ACTIONABLE AT THAT POINT.

I THINK THAT'S FINE. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE BEST THING WE CAN DO.

I MEAN, WE GOT TO GET THE ISSUES FROM THE RESIDENTS.

WE CAN COME OUT, TAKE A LOOK AT THESE IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO QUICK IN HOUSE PUBLIC WORKS.

I MEAN, WE CAN ALREADY START TACKLING THOSE JUST WITH OUR OWN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE CREWS.

I MEAN, THERE'S SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT I'M SEEING, HALF BURIED CULVERTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT CAN START IMMEDIATELY. I MEAN, YEAH, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WHY PUBLIC WORKS CAN'T PUT THAT ON THEIR SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, I AGREE THOSE ARE OBVIOUS ISSUES THAT ARE EASY TO FIX.

IT MAY NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM COMPLETELY BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF FLOW THAT COMES THROUGH HERE.

AND A LOT OF THESE CULVERTS ARE KIND OF UNDERSIZED FOR THE AMOUNT OF DRAINAGE THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THERE. BUT ANYTHING YOU'RE TAKING THAT'S REALLY JUST HALF FULL, ALLOWING MORE CAPACITY THROUGH THERE IS ONLY GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT.

SO I AGREE WE DO NEED TO STUDY THE AREA, CHECK FOR MAINTENANCE ISSUES.

BUT I ALSO THINK WE DO HAVE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE HERE WHERE THIS, THIS CREEK THAT ONCE EXISTED IS GONE.

AND TRYING TO REBUILD THE DEATH OF THAT IS, IS A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.

AND WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE WHETHER IT'S GOING TO TAKE. BUT THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. IS IT A MAINTENANCE ISSUE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

AND I MEAN, WE CAN GIVE ADVICE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.

BUT I CAN'T ALLOCATE PUBLIC FUNDS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

THERE IS ONE EASEMENT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS GIVEN ABOUT A 45 FOOT EASEMENT.

I GOT TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON IT. IT WASN'T, IT WAS ACTUALLY HERE BEFORE.

AND I THINK THEY JUST MESSED UP ON THE PLAT AND DID A REPLAT AND MOVED IT UP OVER HERE.

BUT THIS AREA MAY ALREADY HAVE AN EASEMENT ON THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE TO THE SOUTH, SHORT OF LIKE A GENERAL UTILITY EASEMENT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE IS FOR LIKE FRANCHISE UTILITIES.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE HAVE ON THESE PROPERTIES ON RIDGECREST.

SO, WHILE WE'RE DOING THE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS WHO SIGN UP, CAN YOU ALSO TRY TO GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHO EXACTLY NEEDS TO SAY YES? IF AN EASEMENT IS THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO FOR, LIKE POTENTIAL OPTIONS, WHAT WE WOULD NEED FROM THE RESIDENTS? YEAH. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE US TO START TO THINK OF SOME COMPREHENSIVE OPTIONS, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHO SPECIFICALLY NEEDS TO COLLABORATE AND THEN MAYBE HAVE SOME MEETINGS WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT THEIR LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT IS GOING TO BE. BASED OFF WHAT WE CAN SEE, WE CAN ESTIMATE EASEMENT WIDTHS ON WHAT WE WOULD NEED.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. GENERALIZE THE AREA THROUGH THERE AND CONVEY THAT TO THE RESIDENTS AND TO COUNCIL.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. THAT'S FINE. OKAY, GOOD.

SO HOW I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET 30 OR 40 REQUESTS TO GO OUT THERE.

WHEN DO WE THINK WE CAN REEVALUATE THIS AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT? PROBABLY. WHAT ARE WE, END OF MARCH? CAN WE SET MAYBE, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, WE NEED TO KNOCK OUT A COUPLE OF DAYS A WEEK.

I MEAN, WE COULD PROBABLY GET THROUGH A LOT OF THESE FAIRLY QUICK.

YEAH. YEAH, WE COULD KNOCK THESE OUT DEPENDING ON HOW MANY WE GET, OBVIOUSLY.

AND IF MULTIPLE, WE NEED TO GO OUT. AND ANY OTHER EMERGENCIES THAT POP UP.

YES. HOW MANY MORE RAIN EVENTS WE GET BECAUSE THEN WE GET CALLS JUST LIKE THIS ALL OVER TOWN.

SO THIS IS REALLY WHAT OUR SPRING IS NORMALLY IS RESPONDING TO DRAINAGE CALLS JUST LIKE THIS ALL OVER TOWN.

AND BLAKE, IS IT? YEAH. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY IF WE TALK ABOUT END OF APRIL, THAT'S A MONTH.

MONTH GOES BY PRETTY QUICK, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO MEET WITH 30 AND 30 RESIDENTS, 30, 40 RESIDENTS, DEPENDING ON THEIR SCHEDULES AND OUR SCHEDULES. I WOULD SAY MAYBE END OF MAY GIVE US A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

SO LET ME JUMP IN, SINCE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION SO THAT WE CAN PLAN THESE ACTIONS.

SO I DON'T WANT TO BE AMBIGUOUS AT ALL ABOUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE CAN DISAGREE. SO FOR THE RESIDENTS I JUST WANT TO SAY BE PATIENT.

BE PATIENT. THIS IS YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR YEARS.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE LONGER. THIS GOVERNMENT WORKS IN TERMS OF FISCAL YEARS.

AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE A MULTIYEAR PROCESS. THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OF THESE MEETINGS. SO IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING THE WHOLE TIME SINCE WE FIRST TALKED ON. WHAT'S THE ONE THING WE CAN DO THAT'S GOING TO FIX EVERYTHING. AND THERE ISN'T ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU FIX SOMETHING UP HERE AND IT SCREWS UP SOMETHING DOWN THERE. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHERE THE WATER IS NOT GOING AWAY.

SO WE GOT TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE. SO WHERE CAN WE PUT IT TO WHERE EVERYONE BENEFITS.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO FIX EVERYTHING UNLESS IT STOPS RAINING.

SO ALSO, TO THE RESIDENTS BE THE SQUEAKY WHEEL.

PUBLIC WORKS WILL COME AND HELP YOU, BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR HELP.

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THEY WILL COME OUT. THEY WILL HELP CLEAR THAT BAR, DITCH WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THAT WATER MOVING IN YOUR SPECIFIC AREA.

SO I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, INCLUDING STAFF, THAT I AM COMMITTED TO A STUDY AND CAPITAL PROJECTS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE, BUT I AM COMMITTED TO DOING A STUDY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAPITAL PROJECTS WE NEED TO DO TO HELP NOW, MR. LAWS SAID IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE BUT LOCAL PROBLEM, AND THAT REALLY IS THE HEART OF THIS ISSUE IS NO, WE CAN'T COME IN AND FIX YOUR BACKYARD BECAUSE IT'S YOUR BACKYARD, NOT OURS.

BUT IF YOU FIX YOUR BACKYARD AND GET THAT WATER TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S TOWN PROPERTY.

NOW WE CAN COME IN AND WE CAN GET IT OUT OF THERE SO THAT IT WORKS BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.

SO WE NEED YOU TO DO YOUR PART AND WE'LL DO OUR PART.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THIS THING, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT BETTER OFF. AND IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER ON THAT, THEN I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET A GOOD OUTCOME HERE. BUT THE FIRST STEP IS FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK, BECAUSE WHERE DO WE NEED TO STUDY? WELL, THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT FORMS WE GET TODAY.

SO IF YOU FILL OUT THE FORM, THAT AREA YOU LIVE IN IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE PART OF THAT STUDY.

IS THERE ANYBODY FROM 218 HERE? NO FORMS FROM 218, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THE STUDY.

SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU FILL OUT THE FORM.

YOU GET A CONSULTATION FROM STAFF WHO COMES IN, LOOKS AT YOUR SITUATION, GIVES YOU SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT YOU CAN DO, AND THEN MAKES SURE THAT WHEN WE DO OUR STUDY, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS IN THE AREA, THAT THEY'RE HAVING THE PROBLEM, SO THAT WE CAN THEN FIND THE CAPITAL PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO GET SOME IMPROVEMENT FOR YOU AFTER YOU DO YOUR PART.

SO, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE, TIFFANY, IS A DECISION PACKAGE IN THE NEXT BUDGET THAT FUNDS A STUDY BASED ON WHATEVER WE LEARN IN THESE CONSULTATIONS THAT WE HAVE AND IN THE AREA. WELL, THAT DEPENDS ON WHO WHO'S OUR SQUEAKY WHEELS ARE.

SO I HAVE A FEELING IT'S GOING TO BE THIS AREA AND MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN THAT.

OKAY, SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON THIS. HOPEFULLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET SOME AGREEMENT ON AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OKAY. YEAH YEAH I DITTO WHAT YOU ALL SAID IS BE PATIENT.

I MEAN, THIS IS A WORK STUDY AND THIS IS WHY WE ASK QUESTIONS JUST SO EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE AGREEMENTS, DISAGREEMENTS AND STUFF. BUT IT'S MAINLY JUST ASKING QUESTIONS SO WE CAN HEAR FROM STAFF SO THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND SO IT'S NOT THIS IS NOT THE END OF IT. WE APPRECIATE STAFF BRINGING THIS TOGETHER, AND WE APPRECIATE THE RESIDENTS FOR COMING AND LETTING US KNOW ALL THESE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON.

SO I THINK, DO YOU ALL HAVE THE STAFF, THE DIRECTION THAT YOU NEED? SO ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANT TO LOOK IS ENOUGH.

AFFIRMATIVE. HEAD NODS TO WHAT THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MENTIONED.

YOU KNOW, I HEARD HIM ONLY SAW ONE HEAD NOD. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME CONSENSUS DIRECTION IN REGARDS TO.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE APPROACH IS, IS THAT THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING NOW WOULD INFORM DEVELOPING A DECISION PACKAGE IN THE FY 26 BUDGET TO FUND SAID STUDY. CORRECT? OKAY. IF. WELL, IF THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES DON'T RESOLVE THE PROBLEMS. YEAH. OKAY. AND I MEAN, I GUESS IN THAT SENSE IS THAT I THINK I THINK BOTH DO THE SAME THING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF WE DO A DECISION PACKAGE AND IT GETS FUNDED AND HOWEVER WE DETERMINE THAT MAINTENANCE OR SOME OTHER MITIGATING FACTOR ADDRESSES IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO FUND THE STUDY.

SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE IT TO COME FORWARD AS A REGULAR ITEM.

NOT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THOUGH, BECAUSE I WANT EVERYONE HERE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT WHEN IT COMES.

I DON'T WANT IT ON CONSENT, AND I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE THE NEIGHBORS WHO NEED TO AGREE TO HAVE DISCUSSED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT IF WE FUND THE STUDY, YOU'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND AND TALK ABOUT THE EASEMENT AND GIVE US THE EASEMENTS WE NEED TO GET THOSE PROJECTS DONE. SO, YOU KNOW, MINE'S A LITTLE CONDITIONAL.

I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH ABOUT 99% OF WHAT YOU SAID.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, MY THOUGHT WAS THAT IT WOULD BE A DECISION PACKAGE, SO IT WOULD BE A BUDGET ITEM, AND THAT WOULD BE WHEN WE WOULD HAVE OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SPECIFICS.

AND WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO ANYTHING. WE'RE JUST SAYING BASED ON WHAT WE LEARN, THAT WOULD THEN IDENTIFY WHAT KIND OF STUDY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, GET US THE NEXT STEP. SO THEN IN THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR, WE'LL START TO HAVE SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE CAN START TO KNOCK OUT OVER TIME. WELL, AND IN THE MEANTIME, WITH THESE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS, THERE MAY BE SOME REASONABLE SUGGESTIONS THAT PEOPLE CAN DO AND ARE WILLING TO DO AND THEN CAN ALLEVIATE A LITTLE BIT OF THE PRESSURE IN THE MEANTIME.

SO I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE APPROACH. THANK YOU.

I GOT WHAT I NEEDED ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATIONS. THE TIME IS NOW 834 AND THIS WORK SESSION IS ADJOURNED.

[02:15:01]

THANK YOU ALL.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.