Oct 07, 2024 Town Council Archive

>> TERESA, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLE FOR THAT?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER?

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PROTEM SHICKO?

>> MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN?

>>COUNCILMEMBER DREW?

>> ITEM 1 FOR THE SCHOOL LIAISON COMMITTEE PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THANK YOU, MINDY, FOR COMING UP HERE.

THANK YOU, TERESA. THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 2 FOR THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.

[J.2. Legislative Priorities - Consider approval of the Town of Flower Mound 2025 Legislative Priorities for the upcoming 89th Texas State Legislature. ]

JP WALTON, YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP AND PRESENT ON THAT.

THAT'S THE FUN STUFF.

>> I'M FOR TOO LONG BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BRING THIS PRESENTATION UP AND I'M GOING TO INVITE THE TOWN'S LEGISLATIVE CONSULTANT.

I'M BRANDY BIRD, I'M TO GO OVER THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES FOR THE UPCOMING TEXAS STATE LEGISLATURE.

>> THANK YOU, JP. MAYOR, COUNCIL, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

I AM VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THIS DRAFT 2025 LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.

THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF A LOT OF HARD WORK, YOUR VISION.

WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS, A LOT OF HARD WORK FROM YOUR STAFF AS WELL.

I KNOW THAT THE DOCUMENT IS IN YOUR PACKET, BUT I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH IT,

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AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE YOUR FEEDBACK AND THEN WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT NEXT STEPS AND GOING FORWARD IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

THE FIRST TWO ITEMS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT LENGTH, REALLY FOCUSED ON PROTECTING THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.

OPPOSING LEGISLATION THAT WOULD PROHIBIT CITIES FROM REQUIRING A MINIMUM LOT SIZE, AND THEN ALSO OPPOSING THE RIGHT TO BUILD ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS.

THE NEXT CATEGORY IS PRESERVING INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS AND PRIVACY.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU RAISED AS PART OF YOUR PRIORITIES, SUPPORTING PROPERTY OWNER NOTIFICATION BEFORE UTILITIES CUT TREES ADJACENT TO PROPERTY, AND THEN ALSO MONITORING LEGISLATION RELATED TO DATA PRIVACY.

THEN THE FINAL TWO ITEMS, ENHANCING FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP, AND FLEXIBILITY ARE FOCUSED ON SUPPORTING ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF BY ALLOWING CITIES TO RAISE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ABOVE 20%.

THEN ALSO SUPPORTING AN EXEMPTION IN THE M&O RATE CALCULATION FOR CAPITAL PURCHASES SO THAT CAPITAL PURCHASES COULD BE FUNDED WITH CASH AND NOT PUSH THE CITY TO USE DEBT ISSUANCES FOR THOSE PURCHASES.

THOSE ARE REALLY THE SIX PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE SETTLED ON BASED ON YOUR VISION AND THEN A LOT OF HARD WORK FROM STAFF AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS IN A MOMENT, BUT I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GOING FORWARD AS WELL.

THE HOUSE AND SENATE INTERIM COMMITTEES CONTINUE TO MEET.

THE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE MET A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT PREVIOUSLY.

ONCE THIS DOCUMENT IS ADOPTED THIS EVENING, WE'LL BE WORKING ON SCHEDULING MEETINGS WITH YOUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION TO VISIT WITH THEM ABOUT THESE SIX PRIORITIES AND REALLY WALK THEM THROUGH YOUR THOUGHTS ON THOSE ISSUES.

THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE TOWN'S ATTORNEY TO BEGIN DEVELOPING BILL LANGUAGE AND ALSO AMENDMENT LANGUAGE ON SOME OF THESE PRIORITIES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

JUST TIMELINES, SO YOU CAN GET A FEEL FOR WHERE WE'RE GOING NEXT.

BILL PRE-FILING BEGINS RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION, NOVEMBER 11TH, SO THAT'S COMING UP REALLY SOON.

THE FIRST DAY OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS JANUARY 14TH, AND THEN THE SESSION ENDS JUNE 2ND.

YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM ME A LOT OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, BUT THAT'S THE TIMELINE GOING FORWARD.

I WANT TO JUST PAUSE THERE AND GET FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON THESE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK AND EXPAND ON ANY OF THEM IF YOU LIKE.

>> THE ITEM THAT WE REFERRED TO DISINCENTIVIZING DEBT.

I WANT TO ADD SOME CLARITY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR A HIGHER TAX RATE THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED.

IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF THE WAY THE LAW IS WRITTEN, IT'S PUSHING US TOWARDS DEBT BECAUSE WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT VIOLATING THE 3.5% CAP, AND I THINK THAT'S A BAD INCENTIVE, AND IT'S FORCING US TO MAKE DECISIONS TODAY TO TAKE ON DEBT AND THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS FOR THAT EXACTLY.

IT'S A BIT COMPLICATED AND I DON'T WANT THE SOLUTION TO BE, LET'S ALLOW HIGHER TAX RATES BECAUSE THEN WE'LL JUST TAKE ON A HIGHER TAX RATE AND TAKE ON THE DEBT TOO.

THERE HAS TO BE SOME TRADE-OFF THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT FOR THE TAXPAYERS.

I WANT TO ADD THAT POINT OF CLARITY.

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER YET, BUT I MAY BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.

>> ABSOLUTELY. APPRECIATE THAT CLARITY.

THIS IS AN ITEM THAT IS REALLY VERY MUCH IN THE WEEDS.

IT'S A TWEAK TO SB2 AND THE WAY THAT CALCULATION IS DONE, BUT CERTAINLY, WE HAVE EXPERTS ON STAFF THAT ARE HAPPY TO EXPAND ON IT AS WELL IF YOU'D LIKE.

>> ON THAT TOPIC, I THINK IT CAN BE SUBTLY NUANCED, THAT JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO SO DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE THE BURDEN OF MAKING THAT HAPPEN.

I THINK TO YOUR POINT OF GETTING THOSE DATES FOR THOSE MEETINGS SET UP AND THEN GETTING SOME DRAFT BILL LANGUAGE, WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE INPUT ON THAT AS WELL.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> GOOD. THEN REGARDING THE DATES, IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACCOMPANY YOU ON SOME OF THESE MEETINGS?

>> THEMES DO YOU WANT TO?

>> YES. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE STRATEGIES WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE ULTIMATELY ONCE WE START SETTING THOSE MEETINGS.

NATURALLY, I THINK THE MAYOR IS TYPICALLY SOMEBODY WHO'S EXPECTED TO BE AT THOSE MEETINGS, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU ALL AS TO WHAT APPROACH YOU WANT TO TAKE.

OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT TO QUORUM.

THERE NECESSARILY, WE'RE GOING TO BE POSTING.

BUT ONE OR TWO OTHER MEMBERS PARTICIPATING IN THOSE MEETINGS WILL BE GREAT.

AGAIN, I LET ALL DECIDE ULTIMATELY, IF IT'S JUST ONE PERSON WHO'S DESIGNATED THAT ATTENDS THESE MEETINGS ALONG WITH STAFF AND THE MAYOR ARE TWO INDIVIDUALS BESIDES THAT.

IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU ALL WHO ALL WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE MEETINGS, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT REPRESENTATION FROM THE MAYOR AND AT LEAST ONE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER AT THESE MEETINGS.

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>> I DO FEEL REALLY STRONGLY ABOUT THESE PRIORITIES, ESPECIALLY THE FIRST TWO.

BECAUSE IF THOSE THINGS GO THROUGH, IT WILL SUBSTANTIALLY ALTER THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND I DON'T THINK OUR RESIDENTS WOULD WANT THAT.

I KNOW I DON'T WANT THAT AS A RESIDENT.

WE NEED TO DECIDE.

WE COLLECT TAXES, WE SHOULD HAVE A VOICE IN HOW WE'RE GOVERNED AND NOT THIS PREEMPTIVE BILL FROM THE STATE.

YOU CAN TELL I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT.

I'M SURE MY OTHER COUNCIL PEOPLE ARE AS WELL.

>> FOR SURE. DO YOU FIND THAT OUR SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES ARE SUPPORTING THIS AS WELL? WHAT WE'RE SAYING?

>> THERE ARE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON THIS TOPIC, SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT CITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THERE ARE CITIES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, BUT MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES WOULD AGREE ON BOTH OF THOSE POINTS.

THERE ARE SOME OF THE LARGER MUNICIPALITIES NORTH OF US AND SOUTH OF US THAT MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS.

>> NOW, INPUT ON THOSE BILLS, DO YOU WANT US JUST EMAILING YOU ON THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO BRING FORWARD HERE?

>> I THINK THE PREFERENCE, IF ANYTHING COMES UP DURING THIS PROCESS, WORK THROUGH STAFF, WE CAN BE THE CONDUIT TO GET IT TO BRANDY.

I CAN SEND IT TO MYSELF OR JP.

>> BUT YOU'LL LET US KNOW THE CALENDAR FOR THE MEETINGS AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.

> ABSOLUTELY.

>> ARE YOU THINKING THEY MIGHT BE AS EARLY AS NOVEMBER OR?

>> YES. WE'RE WORKING ON LATE OCTOBER EARLY NOVEMBER WITH STAFF ON THAT NOW.

>> IN ANTICIPATION THAT THIS MIGHT BE APPROVED TONIGHT, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT.

>> OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF YOU ALL ARE GOOD WITH THAT, THEN WE CAN MAKE A MOTION.

BRANDY, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

YOU'VE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN ALL OF THIS.

IN ALL THE MEETINGS WE'VE HAD, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF. THEY'RE AMAZING.

>> READY?

>> YEAH.

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM J2 AS WRITTEN.

>> TERESA, CAN YOU TAKE THE ROLE ON THAT?

>> COUNCILMEMBER DREW.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PROTCHI.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER.

>> LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THANK YOU. RAY WATSON

[J.3. Economic Development Strategic Plan - Presentation of the Economic Development Strategic Plan created by TIP Strategies, Inc. ]

IS GOING TO GIVE OUR PRESENTATION ON THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 3 ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

>> MAYOR, COUNSEL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE UP HERE.

I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE YOU TO JOHN ROBERTS AND VICTORIA WILSON.

THEY WILL ACTUALLY BE DOING THE PRESENTATION.

AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STOP THEM AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.

THEN WE WILL BE HAVING ANOTHER MEETING LATER THIS MONTH TO ACTUALLY DO AN IMPLEMENTATION WORKSHOP OF THE PLAN.

VICTORIA WILL ACTUALLY TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.

GO AHEAD AND GET THIS UP AND WITH THAT, I'LL BRING UP.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOHN ROBERTS.

>> GOOD EVENING.

PLEASURE TO BE HERE. MADAM MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

LET ME JUST BEGIN BY SAYING THAT THIS HAS BEEN A LONG AND REALLY REWARDING PROCESS.

YOU'VE HEARD FROM US BEFORE AND THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO GIVE YOU THE WRAP UP.

ALTHOUGH AS YOU HEARD RAY SAY, THERE WAS AN IMPLEMENTATION WORK HO TO FOLLOW.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THESE STRATEGIC PLANS IS DOING THEM AND THEN WONDERING HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET DONE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO AVOID BY HAVING A IMPLEMENTATION WORKSHOP.

I'M GOING TO DO A FEW INTRODUCTION SLIDES AND THEN LET VICTORIA WALK YOU THROUGH THE BONES OF THIS TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHO WE ARE, THUS YOU HAVE NOT HEARD US BEFORE, WE'RE BASED IN AUSTIN, TEXAS, AND TIP STRATEGIES IS THE COMPANY THAT TIP STANDS FOR THEORY INTO PRACTICE.

THAT'S OUR WAY OF SAYING THAT WE WANT THESE THINGS TO ACTUALLY BE BROUGHT TO FRUITION, AND WE THINK THEY CAN BE.

WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

NEXT YEAR IS OUR 30TH ANNIVERSARY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR IT SOMETHING, AND WITH OVER 400 CLIENTS NOW OVER THE YEARS AND IN 44 STATES AND IN FIVE COUNTRIES.

I WANT TO TALK JUST BRIEFLY ABOUT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE WORKED ON AND HOW RELEVANT THEY ARE TO THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES FACING FLOWER MOUND.

WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE ABOUT ALL OF THESE SIX IS THAT THEY'RE ALL IN THE ORBIT OF A LARGER METRO AREA.

I JUST RETURNED FROM SAUK COUNTY, WISCONSIN.

YOU SEE THE LITTLE TAGLINE ON THE BOTTOM THERE.

THIS WAS REALLY A STRATEGY THAT SOUGHT TO BALANCE THE NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS AGAINST THE INCREASING PRESSURES OF METROPOLITAN GROWTH.

THAT PATTERN IS ONE THAT WE SEE EVERYWHERE,

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IT'S NO SURPRISE TO YOU.

HOW DOES A COMMUNITY KEEP ITS IDENTITY IN LIGHT OF THE GROWTH THAT'S AROUND IT? I THINK A LOT OF THE STRATEGIES THAT VICTORIA WILL BE TALKING ABOUT WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT.

IN THE CASE OF SAUK COUNTY, IT'S MADISON, WISCONSIN, AND THERE ARE POLITICAL DIMENSIONS TO IT.

IN FACT, THOSE POLITICAL DIMENSIONS ARE PART OF WHAT MAKES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SO CHALLENGING RIGHT NOW.

JUST REALLY QUICKLY IN TERMS OF THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, THIS IS WHAT OUR GOAL WAS AN ACTIONABLE PLAN WITH A CLEAR VISION FOR FLOWER MOUNDS ECONOMIC FUTURE.

THAT'S PRETTY AMBITIOUS, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF AMBITIOUS THINGS GOING ON AROUND YOU, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE INCLUDING FURST RANCH, SO THAT'LL GIVE YOU A SENSE.

THEN WHAT WE PROPOSED WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROCESS IS THE THREE PHASE PROCESS.

A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE LEARNED.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE OUTSIDE OR SEE YOUR COMMUNITY.

WHILE WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE GREATER DALLAS METRO AREA HAVING WORKED IN ARLINGTON AND IRVING AND ACTUALLY ALL AROUND YOU.

FLOWER MOUND A VERY SPECIAL COMMUNITY.

WE KNEW THAT COMING IN AND WE KNOW IT EVEN MORE SO NOW.

IN FACT, IT'S ALMOST A LITTLE BIT OF A WELL KEPT SECRET, AND RIGHTFULLY SO THE FACT THAT IT'S SPECIAL IN SO MANY WAYS.

THE OPPORTUNITY WORKSHOP IS WHAT WE WENT THROUGH TO SAY, THESE REALISTICALLY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON.

AGAIN, THE TIME FRAMES ARE ROUGHLY 3-5 YEARS.

BUT THE PROJECTS WELL, MANY CASES HAVE A MUCH LONGER LIFE THAN THAT.

THEN FINALLY, THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WITH THE MATRIX IS ALREADY COMPLETE, AND THE RESOURCES REQUIRED TO DO IT IS WHAT THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX.

ULTIMATELY, WE'LL GO TO AS DOES THE WORKSHOP.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO VICTORIA AND SHE'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'VE LEARNED AND HOW WE'VE APPROACHED THIS.

>> THANKS JOHN. AS WE SAW EARLIER IN THAT THREE PHASE PROCESS, THE DISCOVERY PHASE WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THAT.

AS A FUNCTION OF THAT, WE DID A LOT OF STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.

INVOLVED OVER 15 PERSONAL INTERVIEWS AND FIVE ROUND TABLE SESSIONS.

WE COVERED HEALTHCARE, YOUNG PROFESSIONALS.

WE MET WITH COUNSEL AND STAFF.

WE REALLY TRIED TO BE AS THOROUGH AS POSSIBLE.

WE ALSO DID AN IN PERSON TOWN HALL THAT INVITED RESIDENTS TO COME AND PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF FLOWER MOUND.

WE CONDUCTED TWO PLANNING WORK WORKSHOPS, ONE IN WHICH WE DISCUSSED THE INITIAL FINDINGS OF THE PLAN AND GOT FEEDBACK FROM OUR COMMITTEE, AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITY WORKSHOP, WHICH JOHN MENTIONED WHERE WE COVERED SOME INITIAL HIGH LEVEL STRATEGIES AND THE DIRECTION OF THE PLAN AND GOT FEEDBACK FROM THEM ON THAT.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE ALSO DID A COMMUNITY SURVEY, AND WE GOT OVER 1,000 RESPONSES, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE THAT IS A HUGE NUMBER OF RESPONSES.

IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO ENGAGE ONLINE.

IT TELLS US THAT THIS TOWN REALLY CARES ABOUT ITS FUTURE AND YOUR RESIDENTS ARE REALLY ENGAGED.

BEFORE WE DIVE INTO SOME OF THE DATA, WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS SPECIFIC INTERVIEW WE CONDUCTED WITH HILLWOOD.

IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE SPOKE WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR PLANS IN THIS AREA.

AS YOU SEE HERE ON THE LEFT, THERE'S A MAP OF ALLIANCE RIGHT THERE AT THE LIONS TOWN CENTER, INDUSTRIAL OFFICE, AND RESIDENTIAL PLANS THAT THEY HAVE ALL ALONG UP AND DOWN THAT I FIVE CORRIDOR THERE'S A LOT PLANED, YOU LOOK AT THAT AND THEN YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION, HOW ACCESS TO THIS AREA IS GOING TO INCREASE.

THERE IS A HOSPITAL PLANNED FOR THIS AREA.

THE MESSAGE FOR US FROM THIS MEETING WAS FLOW AROUND HAS OPPORTUNITIES, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE, YOU'RE GOING TO MISS OUT ON SOME OF THESE.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE SURVEY RESPONSES BECAUSE WE FOUND SOME PRETTY INTERESTING INSIGHTS FROM THESE.

THIS SLIDE HERE, THE PURPOSE IS TO REALLY SHOW YOU THAT THE RESPONSE WAS PRETTY REPRESENTATIVE OF FLOWER MOUND AS A COMMUNITY.

YOU HAVE ON THE VERY TOP WHAT THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS WERE AND THE BOTTOM WHAT FLOWER MOUND DEMOGRAPHIC DISTRIBUTION LOOKS LIKE.

AS YOU SEE, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE MALE, FEMALE BREAKDOWN AND ALSO THE GENERATIONAL BREAKDOWN.

WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH THESE RESULTS.

HERE WE ASKED PARTICIPANTS TO ENVISION THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUNDS ECONOMY PROVIDING BETTER SUPPORT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.

ANYTHING THAT'S IN A LARGE FONT, EMBOLDED, MEANS THAT IT WAS SELECTED AS A RESPONSE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.

FROM THIS, WHAT STANDS OUT IS THAT BUSINESSES AND AMENITIES ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY,

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YOU SEE, ENHANCES LIFESTYLE AMENITIES, ATTRACTS BUSINESSES, LEVERAGES OF RIVER WALK.

ALL OF THESE ARE WHAT RESIDENTS ARE REALLY WANTING.

WE ALSO ASKED PARTICIPANTS TO RANK ON A SCALE 1-10 HOW THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUNDS ECONOMY IS PERFORMING IN EACH OF THE AREAS LISTED IN THIS GRAPH.

WHAT WE DID HERE WAS SEPARATE OUT THE BABY BOOMER RESPONSES FROM THE GEN Z RESPONSES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE GENERATIONAL DIFFERENCES IN THE EXPECTATIONS AND THE PERCEPTION OF THE TOWN.

IMMEDIATELY, SOMETHING THAT STANDS OUT, THE BABY BOOMERS ARE IN THIS ORANGE COLOR IS THAT THEY RANKED THE CITY'S PERFORMANCE AS BETTER THAN GEN Z DID ON BASICALLY EVERY CATEGORY.

SOMETHING ALSO STANDS OUT I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE BIGGER DIFFERENCES WE SEE HERE.

YOU SEE NATURAL AMENITIES, THERE'S A BIG GAP THERE.

ONE CAN STAND TO INTERPRET THIS AS PERHAPS GEN Z DOES NOT THINK THAT THE TOWN IS LEVERAGING AS NATURAL AMENITIES AS IT COULD.

THEN YOU SEE SMALL BUSINESSES.

AGAIN, BIG GAP THERE AND COST OF LIVING.

SOMEWHAT UNSURPRISING, A BABY BOOMER GENERATION THAT'S MORE ESTABLISHED CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN FLOWER AMOUNT, BUT THE YOUNGER GENERATION IS STRUGGLING TO SEE THEMSELVES LIVING HERE.

WE ALSO ASKED WHAT THE PRIORITIES SHOULD BE IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS.

HERE WE SEE THE TOP PRIORITIES ARE ALL AROUND COMMUNITY IDENTITY, BUSINESS RETENTION, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, ENTERTAINMENT AMENITIES, COMPLETING THE RIVER WALK, SMALL BUSINESS SUPPORT, AND THAT LINES UP WITH WHAT WE SAW IN ONE OF THE EARLIER RESPONSES.

BUT IF WE LOOK DOWN ALL WHAT THE BOTTOM, WE SEE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT RANKED PRETTY LOW.

WHAT THAT SUGGESTS TO US IS THAT THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A DISCONNECT IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT HELPS AN ECONOMY BE DYNAMIC AND VIBRANT AND WHAT SUPPORTS AMENITIES.

YOU CAN'T HAVE AMENITIES IN THE BACKGROUND IN A VACUUM, YOU CAN'T HAVE LOTS OF SMALL BUSINESSES IN A VACUUM.

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO CONNECT THOSE DOTS A LITTLE BETTER.

WE ARE SWITCHING GEARS HERE REALLY QUICK TO LOOK AT THE DATA THAT WE ANALYZED.

THIS IS RETAIL INVENTORY, EACH LITTLE DOT REPRESENTS A PROPERTY AND THE DARKER THE DOT, THE BIGGER THE PROPERTY.

BUT AGAIN, IT JUST TAKES A GLANCE TO REALIZE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, AND THAT IS THAT THE CONCENTRATION OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS AN EAST FLOWER MOUND AND WEST FLOWER MOUND IS HIGHLY UNDERSERVED.

SOME OF THE STRATEGIES WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER WILL ADDRESS THIS.

HERE WE HAVE JOB COUNT BY INDUSTRY SECTOR.

THE TOP FIVE INDUSTRIES ARE HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION, RETAIL TRADE, ACCOMMODATION OF FOOD SERVICES, AND WHOLESALE TRADE.

YOU ALSO HAVE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IN THERE.

THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STRENGTHS AND FLOOR AMOUNT ARE, BUT ALSO COMPARE THAT AGAINST YOUR VALUES AND THE JOBS THAT YOUR RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE.

TO GET A CLEARER PICTURE WHAT'S GOING ON, WE LOOK AT TREND DATA.

THIS IS A LOT TO TAKE IN, BUT EACH BAR REPRESENTS A DIFFERENT YEAR.

WE SEE A GOOD AMOUNT OF GROWTH IN EDUCATION, MANUFACTURING, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, ACCOMMODATION AND FOOD SERVICES, AND OF COURSE, SOME LOSSES, ESPECIALLY IN 2020 DURING THE PANDEMIC.

HERE WE HAVE SOME COMMUTER DATA.

THIS IS PROBABLY UNSURPRISING TO YOU, BUT A FEW THINGS HERE STAND OUT.

ONE IS THAT YOUR POPULATION HAS GROWN.

THOSE BARS IN 2010 ARE MUCH SMALLER THAN THEY ARE IN 2021.

BUT AS YOUR POPULATION HAS GROWN, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT COMMUTE OUT OF FLOWER MOUND HAS GROWN PROPORTIONALLY TO THAT.

YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAT COMMUTE OUT FOR WORK THAN COMMUTE IN, AND YOU ONLY HAVE ABOUT 500 RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AND WORK IN FLOWER MOUND.

WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS BREAKING DOWN THE DATA FURTHER AND NOTICING THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO COMMUTE IN, AND THAT IS THE TEAL BARS THERE ARE YOUNG WORKERS FOR MODEST EARNERS.

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO COMMUTE OUT ARE MID CAREER WORKERS AND MIDDLE TO HIGH EARNERS.

THIS TELLS US A FEW THINGS, ONE IS THAT YOUNGER WORKERS WERE MODEST EARNERS CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.

EVEN THOUGH THEY WORK HERE, THEY LIVE ELSEWHERE AND THEY COME IN.

SOMETHING ELSE TELLS US IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE CAN'T FIND THE JOBS THAT THEY WOULD HOLD IN FLOWER MOUND.

AGAIN, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.

>> WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK NOW, AND WE STARTED WITH A TOWN VISION,

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TO PRESERVE UNIQUE COUNTY ATMOSPHERE, HERITAGE, AND QUALITY OF LIFE WHILE CULTIVATING A DYNAMIC ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT.

THIS IS A VISION THAT UNDERPINS THE FOUR GOALS OF THE PLAN: BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, PURPOSEFUL DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT, AND QUALITY PLACE-MAKING.

THE STRATEGIES UNDER THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT GOAL ARE ABOUT A FEW THINGS.

ONE IS TO BOLSTER YOUR BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION PROGRAM.

THE IDEA HERE IS TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT YOUR EXISTING EMPLOYERS SO THAT THEY CAN THRIVE IN FLOWER MOUND, ENGAGE WORKFORCE AND EDUCATION PARTNERS SO THAT YOU CAN ENSURE THAT THOSE BUSINESS NEEDS ARE ALIGNED WITH THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE PROVIDED HERE, AND THEN ALSO GROW YOUR ATTRACTION EFFORTS FOCUSED ON TARGET INDUSTRIES, WHICH ARE EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

NEXT IS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

I REFERRED TO THIS EARLIER.

YOUR COMMUNITY IS EXTREMELY ENGAGED, EXTREMELY PASSIONATE.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY ARE ENGAGED IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S GOING ON.

AS PART OF THIS, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ESTABLISHING A FUTURES COMMITTEE.

THEN WE HAVE PURPOSEFUL DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS ABOUT DEVELOPING SPECIFIC NODES WITHIN FLOWER MOUND, SO THAT YOU CAN PRESERVE THE COMMUNITY AND FOCUS ALSO ON REDEVELOPING PROPERTIES THAT ARE AGING OUT.

LASTLY, WE HAVE QUALITY PLACE-MAKING.

AGAIN, THERE'S A FOCUS HERE ON PRESERVING THE TOWN'S NATURAL AMENITIES AND RESOURCES, BUT ALSO ON PURSUING THAT ENTERTAINMENT THAT THE RESIDENTS WANT.

IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE STRATEGIES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THESE FIRST TWO BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST NEW TO THE COMMUNITY.

HERE WE PROPOSE THAT YOU ESTABLISH A MEDICAL DISTRICT IN WEST FLOWER MOUND, TO SUPPORT A NEW HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL EDUCATION CAMPUS.

IN ORDER TO DO THIS, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT YOU ESTABLISH A TASK FORCE THAT WILL OVERSEE THE DISTRICT'S DEVELOPMENT AND ENSURE COORDINATION AMONGST ALL KEY STAKEHOLDERS.

THIS WOULD BE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS, BUT WOULD ALSO BE WORKFORCE PARTNERS.

IT'S ALSO INCLUDES PURSUING A NEW HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL EDUCATION INSTITUTION THAT WOULD ANCHOR THE DISTRICT, ENGAGE THOSE WORKFORCE PARTNERS THAT INCLUDE MSU, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COLLEGE, AND THEN USING THIS MEDICAL DISTRICT DESIGNATION TO MARKET THE DISTRICT'S BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN HEALTHCARE AND LIFE SCIENCES.

WE INCLUDED THIS SLIDE HERE TO REALLY QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE REASONS WHY HAVING A MEDICAL DISTRICT IS USEFUL.

OF COURSE, IT CAN LEAD TO ECONOMIC GROWTH AND JOB CREATION.

IT IS A MARKETING TOOL.

IT CAN IMPROVE ACCESS TO MEDICAL SERVICES FOR RESIDENTS, AND IT CAN ACCELERATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CLUSTER.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT ALIGNING YOUR BUSINESS ATTRACTION EFFORTS IN HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION, AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH THE GOAL OF CREATING HIGH-PAYING JOBS.

THERE'S A LOT OF TEXT ON HERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY THERE ARE TWO MAIN CATEGORIES.

ONE IS THE MARKETING SIDE OF THINGS, ATTENDING TRADE SHOWS AND CONFERENCES, GAINING INDUSTRY KNOWLEDGE AND MAKING THOSE CONNECTIONS, MAINTAINING RELATIONSHIPS WITH SITE SELECTORS, AND ALSO UPDATING YOUR WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT FLOWER MOUND HAS TO OFFER.

THEN THERE'S ALSO THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE OF THINGS, WHICH IS GETTING THE SITES READY, AS WELL AS HAVING THE NECESSARY TAX ABATEMENTS.

UNDER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE FUTURES COMMITTEE.

THIS COMMITTEE WOULD IDENTIFY AND ENGAGE WITH COMMUNITY ISSUES THAT WILL SHAPE THE TOWN'S FUTURE.

IT SHOULD BE HOUSED WITHIN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BUT WE WOULD BE COMPRISED BY BUSINESS LEADERS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS.

THIS COMMITTEE WE FORESEE IT BEING ABLE TO ASSIST WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN, ESPECIALLY LONG-TERM NEEDS, SUCH AS ENHANCING THE COMMUNITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE AND SUSTAINABILITY OF THE TAX BASE.

WE SUGGEST YOU FORMALIZE THIS ENGAGEMENT WITH THE TOWN WITH CONTINUOUS REPORTING ON PROGRESS, AS WELL AS CONTINUOUS MEETINGS TO IDENTIFY THE PATH TO SUCCESS.

JOHN IS GOING TO STEP IN HERE AND DISCUSS THIS CASE STUDY.

>> IN OUR WORKSHOP THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS THIS AND WHAT DOES IT COMMIT YOU TO.

EVEN THE CHOICE OF WORDS, COMMITTEE VERSUS TASK FORCE, OR OTHER TERMINOLOGY.

COMMITTEE, I THINK CAPTURED IT EASIEST,

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BUT ITS VALUE IS THAT IT'S A VOICE FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

WE PICKED GREEN BAY, WHERE WE'VE DONE CONSIDERABLE [NOISE] AMOUNT OF WORK, AND THE ENVISIONED GREATER GREEN BAY, AND THE NOTION OF A FUTURES COUNCIL, WHICH IS WHAT THEY CALLED ULTIMATELY, WAS A REALLY DYNAMIC FORCE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

IT WAS A WAY OF BUSINESSES AND THE GREEN BAY PACKERS, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, TO BE ABLE TO STEP UP AND TO SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE THINK WILL FURTHER CREATE VIBRANCY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NFL FANS AND YOU'RE WATCHING THE GREEN BAY PACKERS, WILL SEE THE LITTLE BLURB ON TITLE TOWN, EVERY TIME YOU WATCH THE GREEN BAY PACKERS.

TITLE TOWN WAS A DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO LAMBO FIELD.

THIS CAME OUT OF THE NOTION OF A FUTURES COUNCIL.

IT'S A WAY HOW CAN WE BETTER LEVERAGE ONE OF OUR MOST NOTABLE ASSETS.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK OF GREEN BAY, OF COURSE YOU THINK OF THE PACKERS.

BUT IT WASN'T BEING LEVERAGED BEYOND GAME DAY.

THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, THAT MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS TITLE TOWN, ANCHORED BY A HOTEL, KOHLER HOTEL, WAS A WAY OF SAYING, COLLECTIVELY WE CAN DO THIS.

THAT CAME OUT OF THE VISION THAT MARK MURPHY, THE GM, NOW RETIRING GENERAL MANAGER OF THE PACKERS, ENDORSED AS WELL, AND BASICALLY BROUGHT IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAID, WE THINK IT'S IN OUR COLLECTIVE INTEREST TO APPROVE THIS AND TO GET IT ON THE GROUND, AND IT WENT FORWARD IN VERY SHORT ORDER.

WE'VE SINCE THEN HAVE ENDORSED THIS NOTION IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

ONE OF THE FIRST THAT WE WORKED WITH WHERE WE ACTUALLY GOT THE IDEA WAS IN FORT COLLINS, COLORADO, WHERE IT'S EMBEDDED IN THE CITY ITSELF, THE CITY MANAGER LEADS THAT FUTURES COUNCIL.

IT'S VERY LONG-RANGE. IT SAYS, "IN ORDER FOR US TO MAINTAIN THE KIND OF IDENTITY THAT WE WANT, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT LONG TERM?" WE THINK IT'S AN EXCITING IDEA.

WE HOPE THAT IT'S ADOPTED.

WE HOPE THAT IT'S PUT INTO PLACE.

WANT TO THANK THE STAFF, TOMMY AND RAY, HAVE REALLY HELPED US WORK THROUGH THIS, AS THAT WORKSHOP THAT WE DID FOR YOU ALSO.

WE'LL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND ALSO DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION WORKSHOP.

>> NEXT WE HAVE GOAL 3: PURPOSEFUL DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS HERE ON SUPPORTING THE VISION FOR FURST RANCH.

AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, THIS IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LAND OUT IN WEST FLOWER MOUND, THAT IS NOT WELL SERVED IN TERMS OF ITS RETAIL AND SERVICES AVAILABILITY, SO WE SEE IT AS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN.

IN TERMS OF THE TOWN'S ROLE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MARKET FURST RANCH TO EMPLOYERS SPECIFICALLY IN YOUR TARGET SECTORS AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, FOR EXAMPLE, TO OCCUPY OFFICE SPACE IN THE DISTRICT AND REALLY FEED THAT DAYTIME TRAFFIC WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WORKING WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPER TO EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY OF DEVELOPING AMENITY-RICH SHARED OFFICE AND CO-WORKING SPACE.

AS WE KNOW, THE TRENDS IN OFFICE SPACE HAVE CHANGED AND THERE'S A FLIGHT IN GENERAL TOWARDS QUALITY AND AMENITY-RICH ENVIRONMENTS.

THIS PLAYS INTO THAT IDEA.

THERE'S ALSO A FOCUS HERE ON ATTRACTING MAJOR RETAILERS.

AGAIN, THIS IS TO MEET THAT NEED OF RESIDENTS TO HAVE THE KIND OF BUSINESSES THAT THEY WANT IN FLOWER MOUND, AS WELL AS ESTABLISHING OF COURSE A FINANCIAL STRUCTURE THAT CAN SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT AT VARIOUS STAGES.

WE HAVE HERE THE CASE STUDY FROM AUSTIN, ACTUALLY THE DOMAIN.

WE REALLY LIKE THIS ONE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT WAS A HUGE SWATH OF LAND THAT NOW HAS CLOSE TO TWO MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, OFFICE, AND OVER 5,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

ALSO THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB AT CREATING A COMMUNITY FEEL, IT'S LOW PROFILE, FULL OF GREENERY IN PARKS.

WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT LIVABLE SPACE, THAT IN THE CASE OF AUSTIN ALSO DREW TRAFFIC AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN AND INTO A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN.

THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

>> THANK YOU, VICTORIA. IF I MAY, WHEN WE FIRST WERE LOOKING AT GOOD EXAMPLES TO USE, WE THOUGHT, WELL, THIS REALLY WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR FLOWER MOUND.

THAT'S BEFORE WE KNEW ABOUT FURST RANCH.

THE DOMAIN NOW EXCEEDS THE TOTAL TAX BASE OF DOWNTOWN AUSTIN.

IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT, WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRED IN AUSTIN, THE DOMAIN ACTUALLY EXCEEDS IT FROM A TAX-BASED STANDPOINT.

IT'S EFFECTIVELY A SECOND DOWNTOWN.

IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE RECENTLY, WE CERTAINLY INVITE YOU TO, YOU PROBABLY HAVE, BUT IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE, WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED THERE.

WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT COULD HAPPEN AT FURST RANCH.

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BUT THIS I THINK IS A GOOD BENCHMARK TO USE IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WHEN A CITY BECOMES ACTIVE IN DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT.

>> LASTLY WE HAVE QUALITY PLACE-MAKING.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, ONE OF THE GOALS OR ONE OF THE MAIN STRATEGIES BEHIND THIS GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THE CROSS TIMBERS CONSERVATION DISTRICT, AND OF COURSE THE TOWN'S NATURAL RESOURCES AND AMENITIES, SINCE IT'S SUCH A BIG PART OF YOUR IDENTITY.

WITH THAT SAID, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS PLAN IS TO ESTABLISH AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

THE IDEA HERE IS TO ONCE AGAIN CONCENTRATE THAT ACTIVITY IN SPECIFIC PLACES.

IN THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VACANT LAND AND THE RIVER WALK.

IDEA IS TO MAKE THAT INITIAL VISION COME TO FRUITION AND PROVIDE THE AMENITIES, RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, ENTERTAINMENT THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR.

HERE WE SUGGEST THAT YOU LEVERAGE THE DISTRICT STRUCTURE TO ATTRACT THOSE AMENITIES, AND THAT YOU CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO BRING THE PROGRAMMING THAT BRINGS PEOPLE INTO THE AREA.

HERE WE HAVE A CASE STUDY IN ALPHARETTA, GEORGIA.

THEY ESSENTIALLY REDEVELOPED THE PROPERTY HOLDINGS THEY HAD TO CREATE A VIBRANT TOWN CENTER.

WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THAT THEY HAD SEVERAL HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND THEY WANTED TO CONSERVE THE FIELD OF TOWN.

THEY DIDN'T JUST WANT TO KNOCK EVERYTHING DOWN AND START FRESH AND MAKE THIS BIG MODERN SPACE.

IT REALLY CREATED THAT BALANCE.

DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES A NEW CITY HALL, THE FULTON COUNTY LIBRARY, A FIVE-ACRE PARK, TOWN GREEN COMMERCIAL SPACES.

ON THE CITY SIDE THEY PROVIDED THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT, AS WELL AS THE GUIDELINES TO ENSURE THAT THE INVESTMENT AND THAT THE DEVELOPMENT THEY SAW IN THE AREA WAS WHAT THEY WANTED OUT OF IT.

JOHN, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD ON THIS ONE?

>> JUST AGAIN, THIS IS A WAY OF THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL FRAMEWORK OF THINGS THAT ARE POSSIBLE.

TAKING AN ACTIVE ROLE IS ANOTHER VERSION OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE DOMAIN, ALPHARETTAS, THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN THERE OUTSIDE OF ATLANTA.

IT'S REALLY QUITE EXTRAORDINARY WHAT THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED.

IT BECOMES A DESIRABLE MAGNET.

IT IS A MAGNET FOR EVERYONE WHO'S FRUSTRATED WITH ATLANTA.

THAT MIX OF RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE CALLED IT OUT.

>> HERE WE HAVE A SAMPLE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE SHOWED THIS TO YOU SO YOU COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT NEXT STEPS ARE, ESSENTIALLY.

THIS WILL INCLUDE ALL THE GOALS, STRATEGIES, AND ACTIONS WITHIN THE PLAN.

AS YOU SEE IN IT, ALONG WITH THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND, WE WILL IDENTIFY THE LEAD ORGANIZATION FOR EACH OF THE STRATEGIES, WHO THE SUPPORTING PARTNERS ARE GOING TO BE, AND THEN WHAT THE TIMELINE FOR EACH OF THESE IS.

PART OF THIS PROCESS WILL INVOLVE PRIORITIZING THE STRATEGY SO THAT THE TOWN KNOWS WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE EMBARKED ON FIRST.

THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, THIS SPREADSHEET CAN BE UPDATED, YOU WILL TRACK PROGRESS TOWARDS YOUR GOALS.

SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT OUR PLANS ARE MEANT TO BE EVERGREEN PLANS.

AS YOU START TAKING SOME OF THESE THINGS OFF YOUR LIST, AS YOU START ACCOMPLISHING THINGS, CIRCUMSTANCES ARE GOING TO CHANGE, NEW OPPORTUNITIES ARE GOING TO ARISE.

AS THAT HAPPENS, THIS CAN BE CHANGED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE ENGAGEMENT OF COUNSEL IN THIS PROCESS DOESN'T END TODAY, YOU GUYS WILL CONTINUE TO BE INVOLVED AS THIS PLAN PROGRESSES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO ALLOCATING ANY KIND OF FUNDING.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US?

>> VICTORIA, HAS ANYTHING CHANGED IN THIS DOCUMENT FROM WHAT WE SAW AT OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION OVER THE SUMMER?

>> YEAH. WELL, THE MAIN CHANGE WAS THE RE-INCLUSION OF THE PRESERVATION PART OF THE QUALITY PLACE-MAKING GOAL.

WHILE IT'S NOT A NEW STRATEGY THAT INCLUDES NEW ACTION, WE BASICALLY SAID, "HEY, KEEP ON DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO PRESERVING YOUR PARKS AND YOUR NATURAL AMENITIES IN THE CROSS TIMBERS DISTRICT, BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT TO YOU AND IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE PLAN."

>> WHERE WAS THAT IN HERE?

>> THAT WAS, NOT TOO FAR, 4.4.

WE DIDN'T BREAK DOWN THE SUB-STRATEGIES BELOW THAT, BUT IT IS IN THE FULL PLAN.

THEN THE OTHER MINOR CHANGE WAS THE NAME OF THE FUTURES COMMITTEE, THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED IN OUR LAST MEETING.

>> TONIGHT WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING ON THIS, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT.

BUT WHAT IF OUR RESIDENTS DON'T AGREE WITH THIS PLAN?

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WHAT ARE THE TAX IMPLICATIONS FOR THEM? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

ADDITIONALLY, WHAT KIND OF JOBS WILL THAT BRING TO FLOWER MOUND?

>> WELL, SINCE THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS, AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING, I THINK WE CAN LEGITIMATELY PUT A REALLY POSITIVE SPIN ON THIS BECAUSE IT DOES HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE FRUSTRATIONS THAT THE CITIZENS OF FLOWER MOUND HAVE HAD.

IT'S ALWAYS MORE DESIRABLE NOT TO HAVE TO COMMUTE OUT TO YOUR WORK AND FACE LESS TRAFFIC.

THE TAX BALANCE, I THINK, IN FACT, I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT, IF THESE STRATEGIES ARE ENACTED, YOUR TAX BASE WILL IMPROVE.

BE LESS STRESS ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAXES.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE SINGLE TAKEAWAY.

THE THING THAT WE TALKED MOST WITH RAY AND TOMMY ABOUT, CAN WE HAVE A BETTER BALANCE, LESS STRESS ON CITIZENS IN TERMS OF THEIR TAX BASE.

WE THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE, AND WE THINK THESE STRATEGIES TAKE YOU THERE.

>> THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

IN THE PLAN AND WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS IT TONIGHT WAS SECTION 3.5.

I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT ON SLIDE 24.

THAT IS, CONSIDER ALLOWING A WIDER VARIETY OF OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING OPTIONS TO ENABLE AGING IN PLACE AND SUPPORT FOR ESSENTIAL WORKERS LIKE TEACHERS AND NURSES.

TO ME, THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF WHAT I WANT MY LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO BE IN CHARGE OF.

IN FLOWER MOUND, WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN.

IT'S VERY ROBUST AND FROM TIME TO TIME, WE DO MAKE CHANGES TO IT AS APPROPRIATE.

WE HAVE ZONING THAT'S IN PLACE THAT DOES ALLOW FOR INSTANCE, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH IS BRINGING A NUMBER OF APARTMENT HOUSING OPTIONS ONLINE.

I REALLY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING THAT SECTION IN MY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. IT'S NOT LIKE WE DIDN'T WRESTLE AT THIS POINT.

I THINK HAD FURST RANCH NOT BEEN ON THE TABLE, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN HERE.

>> WELL, I THINK WE CAN TAKE IT OUT HONESTLY BECAUSE FURST RANCH IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S BEEN ZONED AS SUCH OF CERTAIN NUMBER OF APARTMENTS AND OTHER ARRAY OF LIVING OPPORTUNITIES ARE ALREADY PLANNED.

I JUST REALLY WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT OVERSTEPPING WHAT I THINK IS THE PURVIEW OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

>> NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> APPROVED ZONING IS ONE THING, BUT ALLOWING WOULD SEEM TO IMPLY THAT THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE ADDITIONAL MIXED USE, WHICH I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT WANT IN THIS DOCUMENT.

MAYBE AND IT'S MORE OF A LANGUAGE CHANGE.

>> NO. I REALLY I THINK IT SHOULD BE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT.

I THINK WE HAVE OUR MASTER PLAN AND OUR ZONING, AND WE HAVE FURST RANCH IS SETTLED ON THEIR ZONING.

UNLESS THEY SHOULD BRING FORWARD REQUESTS FOR CHANGES, WHICH WOULD BE A FUTURE COUNCIL PERHAPS, BUT WE HAVE A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO DO THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO IMPLY OR INFER THAT WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING AND HONESTLY, IT RUNS COUNTER TO WHAT WE JUST APPROVED AS OUR STRATEGIC LEGISLATIVE OBJECTIVE.

>> WELL, THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE.

>> OUR PLANNING SERVICES WON FIVE YEARS IN A ROW.

>> I THINK WE'RE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB AND WE ARE PRETTY SQUARED AWAY.

>> DO YOU ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ONE MORE? DO YOU AGREE?

>> YES. I HAVE MY LIST AS WELL.

>> I HAVE ONE MORE. DO YOU WANT ME TO FINISH?

>> GO FORWARD.

>> THE NEXT ONE IS THE FUTURES COMMITTEE.

I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF WHY IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE RATHER THAN ONLY THE PEOPLE, BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MEMBERS OF PERHAPS OUR ECC INVOLVED BECAUSE I THINK IT IS ABOUT BALANCING OUR GROWTH WITH ALSO THE NATURAL BEAUTY AND UNIQUENESS OF FLOWER MOUND, WHICH IT'S JUST SO OVERWHELMINGLY AMAZING.

I CAN HARDLY FIND THE WORDS TO DESCRIBE IT.

I DON'T WANT ANYONE ENVISIONING OUR FUTURE WITHOUT THAT BALANCED REPRESENTATION.

>> I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. I THINK THAT WE GLADLY MAKE THAT MORE INCLUSIVE.

>> GOOD.

>> TO ECHO THAT.

I ACTUALLY DON'T LIKE THE FUTURES COMMITTEE AT ALL.

IF YOU GO TO ENVISION GREEN BAY AND YOU LOOK AT THEIR PUBLICATIONS, IT'S POLITICAL.

SOCIALLY INCLUSIVE HOUSING IS ONE OPTION.

ANOTHER ONE HERE IS DEMOGRAPHICS THAT DIVIDE US AND IT'S TALKING ABOUT DEMAGOGUES ON CERTAIN POLITICAL SPECTRUMS.

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THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE OUTPUTTING.

I SEE THIS FUTURES COMMITTEE AS A QUASI LEGITIMATE ORGANIZATION THAT IS JUST GOING TO BE USED AS A CUDGEL TO PUSH ONE PARTICULAR AGENDA.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED THAT.

IF I WAS ON COUNCIL IN GREEN BAY, I WOULD NOT BE PLEASED WITH WHAT I WAS READING FROM THIS PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION.

WE KNOW THAT IN THE PAST THAT SOMETIMES WE DISAGREE ON THE WAY THE TOWN SHOULD DEVELOP, PARTICULARLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AN ORGANIZATION IF IT GETS CAPTURED BY ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER IS GOING TO JUST OUTPUT, IT'S GOING TO SIT THERE AND BE USED AS A CUDGEL AGAINST WHOEVER'S ON COUNCIL AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.

I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT AND I WOULD JUST TAKE IT.

>> I WONDER IF THERE'S A WORLD IN WHICH, BECAUSE THIS COMMITTEE WILL BE MADE UP OF FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS AND BUSINESS LEADERS, THAT COULD LOOK DIFFERENT HERE.

YOU ALL HAVE YOUR OWN SET OF VALUES AND YOUR OWN PRIORITIES.

I SEE A CERTAIN DEGREE OF ALIGNMENT.

WE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, INTERVIEWED A LOT OF PEOPLE.

I'M NOT SAYING WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING COULDN'T HAPPEN, BUT I'M ASKING, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THIS COULD BE A TOOL FOR GOOD IN THE TOWN AND FOR REALLY SHAPING THAT VISION, AND ENSURING THAT IT IS BOTH INCLUSIVE AGAIN, IN TERMS OF DIFFERENT BUSINESS PARTNERS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS, BUT ALSO GENERATIONALLY, AND ENSURING THAT MORE VOICES GET INCLUDED AS YOU THINK ABOUT, AGAIN, THE TOWN'S FUTURE LONG-TERM?

>> I AGREE WITH VICTORIA, AND ULTIMATELY, THIS IS YOUR PLAN.

THIS IS NOT A LINCHPIN TO ANYTHING.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER PITCH FOR IT AS VICTORIA IS DOING, WHICH IS THAT IT DOESN'T COMMIT YOU TO DO MORE THAN LOOK AT YOUR FUTURE OPTIONS AROUND A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WILL BE COMING YOUR WAY.

FOR INSTANCE, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, I'M GOING TO BE LEADING A COUPLE OF CYBERSECURITY WORKSHOPS.

CYBERSECURITIES, HOW INTERESTING? WELL, NOT THE LEAST BUT INTERESTING UNTIL YOU GET HIT WITH IT.

THE CITY IS HELD FOR RANSOM, FOR INSTANCE.

I USE THAT EXAMPLE AS A WAY OF SOMETHING THAT A COUNCIL OF FUTURES COMMITTEE CAN SAY, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO FACE THAT ARE WE ADEQUATELY PREPARED FOR.

THAT EXAMPLE IS ALSO OUT OF FORT COLLINS, AND IT HAPPENS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

THERE'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF WHY A FUTURES COMMITTEE CAN SAY, ARE WE FOCUSED ON THE RISKS AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT A COMMUNITY MIGHT FACE? HOW FORWARD LOOKING ARE WE? IF YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S THAT RISK THAT IT GO OFF THE RAILS, THEN I WOULD AGREE, THEN WE WOULDN'T WANT IT.

BUT THE THINGS THAT A FUTURES COMMITTEE CAN DO CAN MAKE YOU AWARE OF, CAN GIVE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY A VOICE TO SAY, THIS IS WHY WE THINK THIS NEW BUSINESS SHOULD HAVE AN ANCHORED HERE, FOR INSTANCE.

THOSE THINGS, I THINK ARE OF REAL VALUE.

WE WOULD WANT TO. I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT KEEPING IT WITHIN THE PLAN.

BUT ULTIMATELY, IT'S YOURS TO DECIDE.

MAYBE A PROVISIONAL PERIOD TO SEE HOW IT WORKS, AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN DISSOLVE IT.

>> THE COUNCIL IS THE ONE WHO ASSIGNS THAT COMMITTEE?

>> WE ALREADY HAVE THE FLOMO CONVOS, WHICH DOES THE SAME THING.

INSTEAD OF ASSIGNING MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE, WE REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT IN A STRUCTURE THAT WORKS FOR US AND WE'RE NOT ASSIGNING PEOPLE TO ANOTHER COMMISSION AND THEN SANCTIONING IT AND THEN HOPING FOR THE BEST.

I JUST I WOULD CONTINUE THE COURSE WITH FLOMO CONVOS.

>> AGREE. I HAVE TO SAY I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE ABOUT THE CYBERSECURITY, TO ME, THAT IS PUSHING IT OFF THE RAILS.

TO ME, THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WHILE CYBERSECURITY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS, OUR TOWN, AND OUR BUSINESSES, I DON'T THINK WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL FUTURES COMMITTEE OR COUNCIL OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT TO ADVISE US ON SUCH.

YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A VIBRANT COMMUNITY OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE HAPPY AND ENGAGED AND EMPOWERED TO COME FORWARD AT ANY TIME FOR ANY TOPIC, AND THEY DO.

I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE FOR THAT.

WE'RE ACTIVE MEMBERS IN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

WE HAVE REPRESENTATION AND DIALOGUES THERE, AND I AGREE WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> I DO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND SAY THAT THINGS I LIKE ABOUT IT.

I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AS A USE FOR SOME OF THAT LAND OUT WEST.

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I AM IN FAVOR OF REDEVELOPMENT IN PARTICULAR.

WE DO TEND TO PUT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES INTO ATTRACTING NEW THINGS.

I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT NEED SOME SUPPORT AS WELL, PARTICULARLY AS THE RETAIL SECTOR CHANGES, THAT WE HAVE TO PUT RESOURCES INTO THAT, AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES JUST AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE.

I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE PURSUE EMPLOYMENT THAT IS PROFESSIONAL FOR OUR EXISTING RESIDENTS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL OUT OF TOWN. I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

THE MAIN THING I WANTED TO SAY JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL IS THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS TO CONFORM TO OUR TOWN'S CHARACTER, OUR MASTER PLAN, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

I'M NOT 100% SURE WE'RE THERE YET.

WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE WHO'VE MOVED HERE FROM ELSEWHERE IN THE METROPLEX, THEY FREQUENTLY SAY THAT THEY LIVE SOMEWHERE THAT WENT CRAZY, OVERBUILT, LOST ITS CHARACTER.

THEY MOVED TO FLOWER MOUND AND THEY'RE ASTOUNDED THAT WE'VE MANAGED TO NOT DO THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE REFLECTS OUR DESIRE TO CONTINUE THAT COURSE AND NOT CHASE WHATEVER IS GOING ON WITH HILLWOOD.

I DON'T REALLY SEE AN OPPORTUNITY COST IF THEY DEVELOP HIGH DENSITY HOUSING ALL UP AND DOWN 35 W AND WE DON'T.

TO ME, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE MISSED THE BOAT.

IT JUST MAKES THE TOWN EVEN MORE DESIRABLE AND BETTER BECAUSE IT DIFFERENTIATES US AND WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT OUR POSITION IS IN THE METROPLEX AND FIGHT FOR IT AND MAINTAIN IT.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE CLOSE.

I LIKE SOME OF THE DETAILS, BIG PICTURE. I'M A LITTLE OFF ON.

>> NO. I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AND BE AWARE THAT THEY WERE VOICED TO US, RESPECT TO YOUR STAFF IN SAYING THAT.

BUT THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED ARE NOT LINCHPINS TO THE PLAN, AS I SAID.

WE SHARE THAT VISION.

IT WAS ALWAYS A NARROW PATH, I THINK THIS SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE REACTION TOWARD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IF I CAN FIND IT HERE REALLY QUICK.

THIS IS INVERTED FROM WHAT MOST COMMUNITIES IN TEXAS WOULD. IT'S LITERALLY INVERTED.

WE UNDERSTOOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THE POINTS THAT YOU WERE MAKING.

NOT ONLY IN TEXAS, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROFESSION LEANS AN EXACT FLIP OF THIS.

NOT ONLY DO WE RESPECT IT.

WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAN ADDRESSED IT IN A WAY THAT REFLECTED THIS NOTION OF COMMUNITY IDENTITY.

>> I THINK THE ITEM NUMBER 4, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE ON THAT.

THE PRESERVING THE TOWN'S NATURAL RESOURCES AND AMENITIES.

I LIKED YOUR GRAPH WHERE IT SHOWED THAT THE NATURAL AMENITIES ACROSS GENERATIONS.

THERE'S A BIG GAP IN THAT, THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT THERE'S NO REAL PLAN ON 4.4 ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT TO CROSS THESE GENERATIONS TO APPEAL TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IS BRINGING YOUNGER GENERATIONS IN.

THEN I DO LIKE THAT YOU LOOKED AT THE BUSINESS RETENTION AND JUST BRINGING IN PEOPLE, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE IN THE PLAN ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP BRINGING MORE RESIDENTS TO COMMUTE IN OR STAY IN FLOWER MOUND.

I THINK THAT MEDICAL DISTRICT, I THINK THAT WILL HELP CONSIDERABLY.

I LOVE THAT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO GO IN AND SOMEWHERE, IF WE DON'T DO IT.

ARGYLE OR SOMEBODY ELSE WILL.

WE KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.

I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE ARE TAKING A STRONG HOLD ON THAT AND TO KEEP OUR TAX DOLLARS HERE IN FLOWER MOUND.

THEN I LIKE THE FUTURES COMMITTEE I WROTE DOWN THAT TOO AS WELL.

THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS WORRIED ABOUT AS WHO IS GOING TO BE ON THAT FUTURES COMMITTEE AS WELL AND WHO OVERSEES THAT.

THEN I DO LIKE SEEING THAT VISION FOR THE RIVER WALK BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF MY MAIN FOCAL POINTS IS I REALLY WANT TO GET THAT RIVER WALK VIBRANT.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE OF THAT IN THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. CHRIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? QUESTION ON ANYTHING?

>> I GUESS MY COMMENT IS THAT I'M NOT 100% AGAINST A FUTURES COMMITTEE.

MAYBE WHAT I'M ENVISIONING IS HOW DO WE UTILIZE FLOMO CONVOS TO HELP DEVELOP THIS ECONOMIC PLAN.

HOW DO WE GET THAT RECOMMENDATION? IS THERE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO DIFFERENTLY TO GET MORE COMMUNITY INPUT OR DO WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING ENOUGH TO START BUILDING OUT A RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW TO APPROACH THINGS IN THE FUTURE?

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>> I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE FLOMO CONVOS, US GOING TO AREAS TO INITIATE THOSE FLOMO CONVOS BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE HAVING IS ENGAGEMENT WAS DROPPING IN SOME SPOTS AND ON SOME DATES WHERE WE WERE SHOWING UP RESIDENTS HAD TO COME TO US FOR THOSE FLOMO CONVOS, SO THE INPUT WASN'T AS GREAT, BUT IF WE GO TO EVENTS LOCATIONS, THEN WE MIGHT HAVE MORE FEEDBACK LIKE FLOMO CONVOS DID WITH GOING TO THE SCHOOLS.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON THAT?

>> EVENTS, PUBLIC EVENTS ARE A REALLY GREAT AVENUE, BOTH TO GET THE WORD OUT ON WHAT YOU ARE WORKING ON, BUT ALSO GET FEEDBACK AND HEAR FROM RESIDENTS.

>> I THINK THE OTHER POINT THAT YOU MADE, IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT GAP BETWEEN THE GENERATIONAL GAP, BABY BOOMERS VERSUS OTHERS AROUND.

THE PHYSICAL AMENITIES OF THE TOWN.

EVENTS REALLY SOLIDIFY THAT APPRECIATION, AND ESPECIALLY FOR MILLENNIALS.

>> ENTERTAINMENT, SPORTS ACTIVITIES, APPRECIATION OF THE WATER, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, I THINK HELP BRIDGE THAT GAP.

IT'S NOT JUST, "OH, LOOK, WE HAVE THIS.

THIS IS REALLY NICE, BUT THIS IS REALLY NICE AND YOU CAN INVOLVE YOURSELF IN IT IN SOME WAY.

RIGHT NOW, ACL IS GOING ON IN AUSTIN CITY LIMITS AND WHERE IT'S HAPPENING IS PART OF THE APPEAL, AND THAT REINFORCES THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO TOWN LAKE?

>> WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU NEED AN ACL, BY THE WAY. [LAUGHTER]

>> MAYOR, IF I COULD JUMP IN JUST REAL QUICK NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING.

I KNOW CHRIS WAS TALKING, BUT, THIS IS JUST A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

THERE'S A LOT OF STRATEGIES AND THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF THE DETAILS WE DON'T HAVE.

PART OF WHAT WE WILL DO GOING FORWARD WITH WHAT REMAINS OF THE PLAN IS WE'LL START DEVELOPING AND PRIORITIZING THOSE AND BRINGING THOSE FORWARD TO COUNCIL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S LOW HANGING FRUIT IS THE NEW APPROVEMENTS TO THE WEBSITE.

WE'LL DEVELOP STRATEGIES ON WHAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF DATA AND SAY THE TARGET SECTORS WE WANT TO TARGET AND HOW WE REFRESH OUR WEB PAGE TO TRY TO GAIN THAT ATTENTION VERSUS THESE BIGGER ISSUES SUCH AS THE FUTURES COMMITTEE WHETHER IT STAYS IN THE PLAN OR NOT, OR HOW WE DEVELOP A MEDICAL DISTRICT.

THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LONG CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO INVOLVE A LOT OF TIME WITH STAFF WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THE DEVELOPER THAT MAY BE ABLE TO BRING A MEDICAL DISTRICT AND ULTIMATELY TO COUNCIL AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES A MEDICAL DISTRICT IN FLOWER MOUND MEAN? BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DEVELOP ONE.

IS IT JUST A MEDICAL DISTRICT IN NAME ONLY? IS IT A DESIGNATION IN THE MASTER PLAN? DOES IT INCLUDE A TAXING AUTHORITY LIKE WE HAD TALKED IN A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION? YOU GOT MEDICAL DISTRICTS OUT THERE THAT CAN LEVY TAXES.

ALL THOSE ARE DETAILS THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IN CONNECTION WITH STAFF, THE COUNCIL, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, AND ANY DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS RELATIVE TO THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT.

AS IT REMAINS, THIS IS A LARGE SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THOSE ALONG WITH INPUT FROM THE COUNCIL AND SLOWLY BRING THOSE FORWARD.

WE CAN'T BRING THIS WHOLE PLAN FORWARD.

WE'LL HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE PARTS THAT ARE HIGH PRIORITY AND MOVE THOSE FORWARD, AND SO Y'ALL WILL SEE THEM AGAIN, ESPECIALLY IF IT INVOLVES BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANY CHANGES TO ESTABLISH CODES OR MASTER PLAN DOCUMENTS.

>> TO THAT END, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR US EACH TO TALK ABOUT WHICH ONES WE THINK SHOULD BE THE TOP PRIORITIES TONIGHT?

>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT TONIGHT WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO IT.

I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IS WE'VE GOT A FINALIZED DOCUMENT THAT WE WILL SIT DOWN WITH THEM ON OUR IMPLEMENTATION WORKSHOP AND WE CAN BRING FORWARD PRIORITIZATION OF THOSE STRATEGIES OVER A COURSE OF TIME.

I THINK TONIGHT IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF PRIORITIZING THIS DOCUMENT AT THE MOMENT.

>> BUT COUNCIL AND MAYOR, LET ME JUST REINFORCE THE FACT THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS.

ON THURSDAY, I HAVE A CALL WITH TWO OF THE FOLKS AT UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, WHO ARE ALSO NOW INTERESTED IN THIS PLAN AND IN WHAT IS HAPPENING IN FLOWER MOUND AROUND THAT POTENTIAL MEDICAL INNOVATION DISTRICT.

SO WE'RE NOT WALKING AWAY FROM THIS.

>> BECAUSE, BASED ON THE COMMENTS I HEARD TONIGHT, AT LEAST, I THINK THERE'S GREAT SUPPORT FOR THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, AND THAT SHOULD BE A VERY TOP PRIORITY NOT TO IDENTIFY ALL THE OTHER ONES.

>> WE AGREE WITH THEM.

>> CHRIS, I APOLOGIZE FOR CUTTING YOU OFF.

DID YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD TO THAT?

>> NO. I THINK TOMMY CAN EXPLAIN.

I WANT TO SEE SOME ACTIONS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT I CONSIDER MY PRIORITIES AND WHAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS CONSIDER THEIR PRIORITIES,

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AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE WORK SESSION OR DISCUSSIONS, AND YEAH, HOSPITAL DISTRICT IS DEFINITELY ON MY TOP PRIORITIES.

I THINK IT'S QUITE ON ALL OF OURS.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD. JANVI, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE? JOHN, AND VICTORIA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

I KNOW YOU WORKED REALLY HARD.

OUR PLEASURE TO BE HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE HAVE ITEM J4, THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION.

[J.4. Reimbursement Resolution - Consider approval of a resolution declaring expectation to reimburse expenditures with proceeds of future debt and authorizing the preparation of the documents associated with the issuance, sale, and delivery of the debt obligations; and providing an effective date.]

JULIE, YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

THIS IS TO CONSIDER THE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION DECLARING EXPECTATION TO REIMBURSE EXPENDITURES WITH PROCEEDS OF FUTURE DEBT AND AUTHORIZING THE PREPARATION OF THE DOCUMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ISSUANCE, SALE, AND DELIVERY OF THE DEBT OBLIGATION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> YES. GOOD EVENING.

WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TONIGHT A RESOLUTION THAT WILL ASSIST THE CIP DEPARTMENT IN STARTING THE PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED ON THE CIP LAST MONTH FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

BY APPROVING THIS RESOLUTION, IT'S AUTHORIZING STAFF TO GO OUT.

IT'S GIVING THEM THE PROCUREMENT ABILITY TO GO OUT AND ENGAGE IN CONTRACTS AND START WITH PRELIMINARY EXPENDITURES TOWARDS THE PROJECTS, SO THAT BY THE TIME WE RECEIVE THE PROCEEDS THIS SUMMER, THEY CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO THE CONSTRUCTION AREAS.

ON THE SCREEN FOR THE 2025 CO, CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, WE HAVE FIRE STATION NUMBER 6 FOR $20 MILLION, ALONG WITH UTILITY CAPITAL PROJECTS.

WE HAVE WATER PROJECTS AND THE AMOUNT OF 15.8, AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS AND AMOUNT OF 7.8, ALONG WITH SOME ISSUING COSTS.

THAT BRINGS SOME MAXIMUM PRINCIPAL AMOUNT TO ISSUE FOR THE COS TO 43,855,000.

SOME OF THE EXPENDITURES THAT THEY CAN BEGIN, IF THERE'S LAND BE PURCHASED, IF THERE'S ENGINEERING, SURVEYS, SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY EXPENDITURES BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION.

WITH THAT, JOHN IS ALSO GOING TO DISCUSS SOME OF OUR UP AND COMING PROJECTS [LAUGHTER] FOR THE DEBT RELATED.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

OVER THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS RELATED TO DEBT AND FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THIS NEXT MEETING, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE $2.5 MILLION TAX NOTES THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.

THAT WILL BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEBT ISSUANCE.

IT HASN'T BEEN DONE HERE SINCE 1997, SO IT IS A VERY QUICK PROCESS.

IT'S NOT AS LONG AS THE CO PROCESS.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP ABOUT THAT'S COMING UP AND THEN THE BLUE RIBBON BOND COMMITTEE IS ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF MEETING ON OCTOBER 15TH WITH THE RECOMMENDED PROJECT LIST.

THEN MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO START THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PHASE WHERE WE START GETTING PUBLIC FEEDBACK ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS, AND SO THAT AS WELL WILL BE ON THE BOND PROGRAM HOPEFULLY IN MAY, IF YOU GUYS APPROVE OF IT DEPENDING ON THOSE PROJECTS.

THIS YEAR WILL BE A FOCUS ON DEBTS AND JUST AN EDUCATION A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, BUT THIS IS OUR FIRST STEP FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

COUNCIL, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. THANK YOU.

>> COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO DISCUSSION, CHRIS? WE LOST CHRIS, SOMEWHERE.

ARE WE BRINGING THEM BACK?

>> WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM. WE'RE GOOD.

I KNOW, BUT HE MAY WANT TO.

WE CAN WAIT IF YOU WANT.

>> THERE HE IS.

>> SORRY, I WENT TO THE BATHROOM. [LAUGHTER]

>> WOW.

>> JULIE, THIS IS BASICALLY A FORMALITY TO AUTHORIZE NEXT STEPS, WHICH WILL BE BRINGING THESE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS FORWARD.

>> CORRECT. IN YEARS PAST, WE LEARNED THAT BY COMING FORWARD IN OCTOBER AND GETTING THE AUTHORIZATION RIGHT NOW, IT SAVES US A LOT OF TIME WHENEVER CIP WOULD COME UP WITH.

WELL, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON AND WE CAN MOVE ON THE PROJECT FASTER, WE'D HAVE TO WAIT TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL AND SUCH.

THIS JUST HELPS GET EVERYTHING PROCEEDING WELL AND ON TIME AND SCHEDULE.

>> THESE NEXT ITEMS WILL COME UP FORWARD AS CONSENT ITEMS BECAUSE THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED OR UNLESS THEY EXCEED THE $1 MILLION LIMIT. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> WHICH ITEMS?

>> THE ONES ON THE LIST?

>> THEY'LL COME THROUGH FOR DIFFERENT CONTRACTS THAT CIP WILL BRING THROUGH IN ENGINEERING.

>> IF WE HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR ITEM, WE'LL STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION IF NO ONE ELSE OBJECTS.

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MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM J4 AS PRESENTED.

>> TERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, IF YOU'LL TAKE THE ROLE.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER, DREW.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER WERNER.

>> ITEM J4 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

THIS IS FOR THE DAKOTA SUBDIVISION.

I'M GOING TO PUSH THIS A LITTLE BIT LATER BECAUSE ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS REALLY WANTS TO BE HERE FOR THAT.

OTHERWISE, I WOULD DO IT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL ARE HERE.

>> MAYOR, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. IF WE TAKE ABOUT A 10-MINUTE RECESS, THAT SHOULD BE AMPLE TIME FOR US TO GET STARTED ON THE ITEM.

IF WE TAKE A 10-15 MINUTE RECESS, WE SHOULD BE GOOD.

>> I CAN GO AHEAD AND CLOSE IT.

I CAN DO THE CLOSED SESSION AND WE CAN DO.

>> I THINK JUST GIVE THE TIME THE RECESSION IS BACK.

>> I'LL BE HERE. LET'S DO IT.

IT'S 7:46.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A 10-MINUTE BREAK, SO WE'LL BE BACK BY 7:55.

LITTLE LESS THAN 10 MINUTES.

IT'S NOW 7:56, AND WE'RE GOING TO RESUME OUR REGULAR MEETING.

WE ARE ON ITEM J5.

[J.5. RC23-0002 - Dakota - Consider a request for a Record Plat (RC23-0002 – Dakota) to develop a residential subdivision with certain exceptions, modifications, and waivers to the Code of Ordinances. The property is generally located south of Meadow Lark and east of Deer Path. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 6 to 0 at its September 23, 2024, meeting) (Part 1 of 2)]

THIS IS ON RC 23-0002, THE DAKOTA SUBDIVISION.

WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A RECORD PLAT TO DEVELOP A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WITH CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS, MODIFICATIONS AND WAIVERS TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

LEXIN IS GOING TO GIVE THAT PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR, COUNCIL, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A RECORD PLAT.

HERE'S THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S EAST OF DEER PATH AND JUST SOUTH OF MEADOWLARK.

[NOISE] HERE'S A MORE DETAILED VIEW.

THE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS A STATE RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE CROSS TIMBERS PROTECTION AREA, AND THE ZONING IS SINGLE-FAMILY ESTATE.

HERE'S THE INITIAL VIEW OF THE RECORD PLAT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT AS WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL DETAILS.

HERE'S SOME PICTURES FROM THE SITE.

ALL THESE WERE TAKEN ALONG DEERPATHS THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE HAD ACCESS TO.

THIS IS UP AT THE TOP, CLOSE THE INTERSECTION WITH MEADOWLARK, LOOKING SOUTHEAST.

HERE WE ARE LOOKING DIRECTLY EAST ACROSS THE PROPERTY, AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING NORTH.

THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED WITH THIS RECORD PLAT AND THAT'S WHY IT'S BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

THE FIRST IS FOR LOT GRADING.

FIRST IT'S UNDER LOT GRADING AND DRAIN DRAINAGE CATEGORY IS HOUSE PAD BENCHING.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO DEFER THE LOT BENCHING OF THE SIX LOTS NOTED HERE WITH THE STARS, 14, 15, 16, 17 18 AND 19.

THE REASON FOR THIS IS, IN ORDER TO TRY TO CUSTOM DESIGN THE HOME SO THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH THE LAND RATHER THAN JUST CREATING A HOUSE PAD SITE, THAT'S HOW YOU TYPICALLY DO IT.

YOU COME IN AND CREATE A FLAT AREA WHERE THE HOUSES ARE IMAGINED TO GO.

THAT'S THE STANDARD WAY THAT DEVELOPMENT IS DONE.

FOR THESE LOTS, BECAUSE OF THEIR ADJACENCY TO THE LAKE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO DELAY THAT BENCHING OF THOSE LOTS SO THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY AT THE TIME THAT THEY APPLY FOR THE SFD PERMIT AND HAVE ALREADY KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THE HOUSE.

IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO APPROVE, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND IT BE WITH THESE CONDITIONS AS NOTED, AND THIS IS JUST TO ENSURE THAT THESE ARE REVIEWED AT THE TIME THE SFD PERMITS COMING IN BY STAFF AND AGAINST ALL OF THE NORMAL CRITERIA THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT FOR DRAINAGE AND GRADING.

THE NEXT EXCEPTION THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE.

I KNOW THAT COUNCIL IS AWARE, WE PUT IN PLACE IN OUR ORDINANCE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE DRAINAGE GO FROM LOT TO LOT, YOU HAVE TO GET THIS EXCEPTION FROM COUNCIL.

THE REASON FOR THAT, IT STEMS FROM SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'RE HAVING IN OLDER SUBDIVISIONS WHERE THEY USED TO HAVE THE GRADING FOR MANY HOMES WITHIN ALL RUN ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, AND SO IT WOULD GO FROM ONE LOT TO THE NEXT.

THE ISSUE YOU WOULD HAVE IS IF SOMEBODY MAYBE UNKNOWINGLY BUILT SOMETHING WITHIN THAT DRAINAGE SWALE, THEN IT COULD STOP UP THAT DRAINAGE AND

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IT COULD IMPACT NUMEROUS HOMES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S WHY THERE WAS SOME CONCERN FROM STAFF AND COUNCIL'S PART, AND I PUT IN THIS REQUIREMENT FOR AN EXCEPTION IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS LOTS A LOT DRAINAGE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE DRAINAGE JUST FLOW TO THE STREET.

IF IT JUST FLOWS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY IN FRONT OF YOU AND THEN JUST GOES DOWN THE STREET TO WHEREVER THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION IS.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE LOTS THAT ARE NOTED WITH THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTER, THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE REQUESTING LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE, AND SO IN THIS CASE, ALL HERE ALONG THESE LOTS AT THE NORTH END, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ACTUAL PIPE PUT INTO PLACE, SO THIS IS HOW THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS, IS BY PUTTING IN MORE STRUCTURED DRAINAGE, SO IT'S NOT JUST A SWALE WHERE WATER IS RUNNING ON THE SURFACE, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PIPED UNDERGROUND.

THEN THE SAME FOR THIS AREA HERE IN THE CENTER, BE PIPING THERE AS WELL.

THE ONLY PLACE WHERE IT IS ACTUALLY LOT TO LOT IS RIGHT HERE, JUST FROM THIS ONE LOT TO THE NEXT.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BENCHING THESE LOT SHEDS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE DRAINAGE PLANS FOR THEM.

THEY CAN'T REALLY VERIFY THAT AT THIS TIME.

AGAIN, THERE WAS LANGUAGE WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT AND I NOTED HERE THAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS EXCEPTION, THAT IT BE WITH THE NOTED LANGUAGE TO ENSURE THAT THE SYSTEM MEETS THE MINIMUM PRIVATE STORMWATER SYSTEM STANDARDS CONTAINED IN PART B, SECTION 4 OF THE DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL.

>> JUST BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS, I THINK CONCERNS FROM NEARBY RESIDENTS ABOUT DRAINAGE.

JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

FROM A LAYMAN'S PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU'LL HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, AND I'LL HAVE TO GET CLAY UP HERE TO HELP WITH THOSE.

IN GENERAL, THIS IS THE AREA OF THE PROJECT, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT DRAINAGE AREAS.

ONE IS X2, THAT'S A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY, AND THE OTHER IS X1.

THIS X1 UP AT THE TOP, THERE'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF DRAINAGE THAT GOES NORTHEAST AND THEN HERE, THIS DOES AS WELL.

BASICALLY, IT'S ALL GOING TOWARD THE LAKE.

THAT'S WHERE ALL THE DRAINAGE GOES TOWARD THE LAKE.

THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BETTER PERSPECTIVE.

AGAIN, HERE'S WHERE X1 IS GOING AND HERE'S WHERE X2 IS GOING.

X1 BASED ON IF THIS DEVELOPMENT WERE CONSTRUCTED, THIS GIVES YOU THE PRE AND POST NUMBERS.

IT WOULD BE DECREASING SLIGHTLY FOR THAT AREA FURTHER NORTH AND X1 FROM 20.7-19.7 CFS.

BUT IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE WATER THAT WOULD BE FLOWING IN THIS AREA FOR THE SOUTHERN AREA.

IT'S GOING FROM 37.8 CFS TO 1.2.

AGAIN, THIS WHOLE AREA CURRENTLY SHEET FLOWS ACROSS THIS PROPERTY IN ORDER TO GET TO THE CULVERT THAT'S HERE, AND THEN TO ULTIMATELY DRAIN TO THE LAKE.

BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING ALL THIS DRAINAGE THAT CURRENTLY SHEET FLOWS ACROSS THAT PROPERTY, AND THEY'RE PUTTING IT INTO THAT PIPE, CAPTURING IT FROM EACH OF THOSE LOTS AND THEN PIPING IT DOWN.

THAT'S WHY IT'S HAVING SUCH A DRAMATIC IMPACT ON THE AMOUNT OF DRAINAGE THAT'S IMPACTING THOSE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH.

THERE'S ALSO A SLOPE EXCEPTION BEING REQUESTED.

SO THIS IS SHOWING WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT AND IT'S BASED ON THE TOWN STANDARDS.

BASED ON THE TOWN STANDARDS, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, WE WOULD TYPICALLY SAY THAT ANY PART OF A DEVELOPABLE LOT IS CONSIDERED IMPACT WHENEVER A LAYOUT IS DESIGNED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

IF THERE'S ANY SLOPE THAT FALLS WITHIN THIS CATEGORY OF 5% OR ABOVE, THEN WE WOULD CONSIDER IT IMPACTED IF IT'S ON A LOT THAT IS TO BE DEVELOPED.

EVEN IF THE DEVELOPER MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE PLANNING TO IMPACT ALL OF THAT SLOPE, WE STILL CONSIDER IT IMPACTED.

THEN THAT WAY, IF THE COUNCIL GRANTS AN EXCEPTION THEN IN THE FUTURE, WHEN THE RESIDENT TAKES POSSESSION OF THAT PROPERTY THAT EXCEPTION HAS ALREADY BEEN GRANTED, AND SO THERE'S JUST NO CONCERNS ABOUT IT.

NOW, I'LL GET TO THEIR SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION LATER IN THE SLIDES, BUT SINCE I HAVE THIS VISUAL, I WAS GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT.

WHEN IT WENT TO P AND Z, THEY RECOMMENDED TO ALLOW IMPACTS ON 5-8%, BUT THEN FOR 8-12%, IT WOULD BE HELD TO THAT MUST STAY WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE POINT OF IMPACT STANDARD, AND THEN WOULDN'T ALLOW ANYTHING OVER 12%, SPECIFICALLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT OR SOME OTHER SUBSET

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OF STANDARDS THAT THE COUNCIL WANTED TO APPROVE THIS EXCEPTION TO STAFF WENT AHEAD AND ADDED SOME LANGUAGE TO NOTE THAT THIS WOULD EXPIRE ONCE THE ACTUAL HOME OWNERS TOOK POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY.

IT WOULD BE IMPOSED ON THE DEVELOPER, THE HOME BUILDER, THAT THING.

BUT I DON'T THINK THE TOWN WANTS TO BE ABLE TO CHECK IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS AND VERIFY WHETHER THEY HAVE PUT SOMETHING ON THE SLOPE.

I WOULD THINK THAT SIMILAR TO THE WAY THE SPECIMEN TREES WORK WHERE ONCE PEOPLE TAKE POSSESSION OF THEIR PROPERTY, THEN THIS WOULD NO LONGER APPLY.

THAT'S HOW WE'VE HANDLED SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.

AGAIN, THIS WAS SPECIFIC TO RESIDENTIAL LOTS BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE A LIFT STATION HERE AND IT'S GENERALLY WHERE I HAVE MY MOUSE RIGHT THERE.

THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHERE THE LIFT STATION NEEDS TO BE.

THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY DIDN'T REALLY ORIGINALLY WANTED TO BE THERE.

THEY WANTED IT TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AT ALMOST THE LOWEST POINT ON THE PROPERTY IN ORDER FOR IT TO WORK PROPERLY.

THE LIFT STATION NEEDS TO BE HERE, SO I WOULDN'T APPLY ANY SLOPE RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.

I WOULD FOCUS YOUR CONCERNS OR RESTRICTIONS COMMENTS ON THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

THEN THIS AREA TO THE EAST HERE, THIS IS ALL BEING PUT IN AN UNBUILDABLE X LOT, SO THIS WILL NOT BE IMPACTED.

IT WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE HOA.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES OF LAND, AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENT COLORS THERE, THE LITTLE BIT LIGHTER COLORS.

THOSE WILL NOT BE IMPACTED SLOPES.

THERE WAS ALSO AN EXCEPTION FOR FOUR OF THE LOTS FOR LOT DEPTH TO WIDTH, AND I WOULD SAY THIS IS REALLY NOT A CONCERN.

THE BASIS FOR THIS REGULATION IS TO PREVENT FLAG LOTS.

YOU DON'T HAVE A VERY SKINNY LITTLE ROADWAY, BUT IT'S ON PROPERTY THAT GOES UP AND THEN YOU GET TO A BIG GIANT LOT.

THE TOWN TRIES TO AVOID THAT BUT THAT'S NOT THE SITUATION HERE.

THESE JUST HAPPENED TO BE VERY LARGE LOTS, AND SO JUST SOME OF THEM ARE LONGER, AND YOU ENDED UP WITH THE LENGTH BEING MORE THAN 2.5 TIMES THE WIDTH IN THESE FOUR SITUATIONS.

I WOULD SAY STAFF DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THESE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES AND THAT EXCEPTION.

WE ARE LOOKING AT AMENDING THIS BECAUSE IT'S COME UP A FEW TIMES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO ASK FOR EXCEPTION BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT ADDRESSING.

THEY'RE REALLY NOT MEETING WHAT IT WAS WRITTEN TO ADDRESS, THEY'RE NOT FLAG LOTS.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF WE CAN IN THE FUTURE, MORE NARROWLY TAILOR THAT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT KEEP HAVING TO COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL TO ASK FOR EXCEPTIONS WHEN THEY'RE NOT REALLY DOING FLAG LOTS.

AGAIN, HERE IS THAT RECORD PLOT.

JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PRIOR VERSION OF THE PROJECT.

THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAD ORIGINALLY COME FORWARD.

THAT PROJECT WAS NAMED ESTUARY POINT.

IT WAS A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER.

THEY HAD NOT REQUESTED ANY EXCEPTIONS.

THAT IS POSSIBLY BECAUSE THEY HAD NOT DONE THE ENGINEERING YET BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THIS IS EQUIVALENT TO A PRELIMINARY PLAT.

WE CALL IT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN FLOWER MOUND.

IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ENGINEERING.

IT'S JUST LOOKING AT THE OVERALL LAYOUT AND THAT THING.

WHEN THEY CAME FORWARD, THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY STAGE.

THEY GOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

THEY WERE NOT REQUESTING EXCEPTIONS AT THAT TIME, THEN THEY DID NOT TAKE FORWARD A RECORD PLAT APPLICATION.

THEY DID NOT ACTUALLY BRING FORWARD AN APPLICATION THAT INCLUDED THE ENGINEERING THAT IS THIS STEP THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY.

THEY ONLY DID THE PRELIMINARY STEP AND THEN THEY BACKED OUT AND THE CURRENT APPLICANT THEN PURCHASED THE LAND, AND THEY MOVED FORWARD WITH THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS THE RECORD PLAT APPLICATION BEFORE COUNCIL TONIGHT.

>> LEXIN, I WANTED TO GET INTO THIS PARTICULARLY, SO I'LL JUST INTERRUPT YOU A FEW.

ESTUARY POINT, BASED ON THE TERRAIN, THE TOPO THAT YOU JUST SHOWED US WITH THIS LOT LAYOUT, WOULD HAVE HAD TO DO LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE PARTICULARLY ON THESE PROPERTIES ON THE TOP ON THE NORTH SIDE, OR THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO GRADE EVERYTHING TOWARDS THE ROAD WHICH WOULD HAVE CERTAINLY IMPACTED SLOPES? YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY JUST WENT AHEAD AND DREW THE LINES, NO EXCEPTIONS, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO COME BACK DURING THE PLATTING PHASE AND ASK FOR THOSE EXCEPTIONS CERTAINLY?

>> BELIEVE SO. YES. BUT BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, AGAIN, THE WAY THE TOWN ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN FOR THE STANDARD IS

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TO HAVE YOU END UP RAISING THE BACK AND HAVE IT ALL DRAIN TOWARD THE FRONT TO THE STREET.

THAT'S HOW YOU PREVENT THE LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE.

BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SEVERELY IMPACT THE SLOPE BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO VERY MUCH RAISE THE BACK OF ALL THOSE PROPERTIES BECAUSE CLEARLY, IT CURRENTLY GOES DOWN.

THAT'S THE WAY THE WATER SHEET FLOWS ACROSS.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT ESSENTIALLY HAVE FLOODING ISSUES WITH EVEN A LIGHT TO MODERATE RAIN PROBABLY.

>> WELL, YOU DID DO THAT IF YOU LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE, [OVERLAPPING].

>> STAFF WOULDN'T LET SOMETHING COME FORWARD THAT WAS ALLOWING FLOODING.

>> CORRECT. THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON TO DO LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE IS TO PREVENT THAT.

>> TO PREVENT THE MORE SERIOUS IMPACTS TO THE GRADING, I THINK, THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT IN THE SAME PLACE IT IS CURRENTLY BY DOING THE LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE AS OPPOSED TO RAISING THE BACK OF ALL THOSE LOTS SO THAT THEY FLOW TOWARD THE STREET.

>> MAYOR, MY QUESTION WAS, HOW THE ESTUARY POINT MANAGED TO BRING FORWARD A PROPOSAL THAT HAD NO EXCEPTIONS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

WE HAD TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT WAS MINISTERIAL, AND NOW WE KNOW THAT THEY JUST SIMPLY DIDN'T GET THAT FAR INTO THE PROCESS.

THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR THOSE SAME EXCEPTIONS. THANK YOU.

>> I THINK THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THIS WAS APPROVED, HOW LONG AGO? 2021.

WELL, I THINK THE ZONING WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2001, MAYBE.

>> THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUE THAT WE FACED IN 2021 BECAUSE THE LAND WAS ZONED PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMING FORWARD.

REMIND ME WHAT THE TERM FOR THAT IS THAT WE DON'T DO IT ANYMORE? WELL, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT.

>> STRAIGHT ZONING.

>> STRAIGHT ZONING. THANK YOU.

WE JUST THAT SAME NIGHT ENCOUNTERED ANOTHER ISSUE WITH ANOTHER PROJECT THAT CAME FORWARD FOR STRAIGHT ZONING AND DID WE LEARN NOTHING FROM PRIOR COUNCIL'S MISTAKES? THE STRAIGHT ZONING, I THINK IS WHAT GOT US INTO THIS CONUNDRUM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

BUT I ACTUALLY HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION AND THAT IS, WITH THE LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A PIPE PROPOSED, DOES THAT THEN GO TO THE HOA AND IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THAT PIPE.

THEN THE DEVELOPER IS THE ONE WHO MAKES SURE THAT IT'S INITIALLY PROPERLY SIZED FOR THE DRAINAGE THAT'S ANTICIPATED?

>> YES. THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PUT TOGETHER THOSE PLANS BUT STAFF REVIEWS IT.

WE WOULD REVIEW THE PIPE AGAINST THOSE STANDARDS AND ENSURE THAT IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

>> THE PIPE WILL BE BURIED?

>> IT'LL BE COMPLETELY CONCEALED.

HOWEVER, THE LAND WOULD HAVE TO BE DISTURBED GREATLY TO BURY THE PIPE.

>> I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT SIZE PIPES IN THE DIFFERENT AREAS.

IT PROBABLY JUST DEPENDS ON THE VOLUME OF WATER THAT IS GOING THROUGH.

>> BUT IT'S STILL GREATLY [OVERLAPPING].

IT'S VERY SIMILAR SYSTEM.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS IT'S USUALLY MUCH SHALLOWER TO PICK UP LOWER RATHER THAN SEWER IS MUCH DEEPER.

THESE HAVE RESERVOIR TRAPS, THAT FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED. THERE'S A NAME FOR IT.

[OVERLAPPING] CATCH BASINS PICK UP THE DRAINAGE AND THEN PLACE IT INTO THE PIPE.

THIS IS IN THE CROSS TIMBERS CONSERVATION DEVELOP DISTRICT.

>> NO, IT'S NOT.

>> IT'S NOT. THIS IS NOT.

THIS IS OUTSIDE THAT DISTRICT?

>> YES. IT'S IN THE CROSS TIMBERS PROTECTION AREA.

JUST TO GIVE YOU MAYBE MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU WERE REALLY LOOKING FOR, BUT I WANT IT ALL [OVERLAPPING].

ACTUALLY, I GOTTEN QUESTIONS FROM P&Z ABOUT THIS A FEW YEARS AGO.

WHAT IS THIS CROSS TIMBERS PROTECTION AREA? WHAT DOES THIS REALLY MEAN? IN DOING SOME RESEARCH, WHEN THE TOWN HAD ORIGINALLY WRITTEN OUR SMART GROWTH REGULATIONS, WE HAD IDENTIFIED THE AREA WITHIN THE CROSS TIMBERS PROTECTION AREA AS THE ONLY AREA WHERE WE WANTED OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SMART GROWTH REGULATIONS TO APPLY.

BUT THEN THE COUNCIL WAS LIKE, THESE ARE GREAT REGULATIONS.

WE SHOULD APPLY THEM EVERYWHERE AND SO WE STARTED APPLYING THEM EVERYWHERE, BUT THIS CROSS TIMBERS PROTECTION AREA STILL EXISTS.

IT WAS NEVER REMOVED.

HOW STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT WHEN PROJECTS COME FORWARD IS JUST TO IDENTIFY IT AND TO ENSURE THAT THE APPLICANT KNOWS THERE'S A HIGHER EMPHASIS ON PROTECTING ANY CROSS TIMBERS TREES THERE SINCE IT IS IDENTIFIED AS A CROSS TIMBERS PROTECTION AREA.

>> SEPTIC IS REQUIRED HERE.

>> SEWER IS REQUIRED. WE WILL BE PUTTING IN SEWER.

>> THAT'S WHAT THE LIFT STATION WOULD BE FOR.

IT WOULD CONNECT THEIR SEWER.

CONNECT THIS TO THE TOWN'S EXISTING SEWER SYSTEM.

>> IS IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE THAT WE ELECTED NOT TO INCLUDE THIS AREA IN THE CROSS TIMBER CONSERVATION DISTRICT, OR HOW I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

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>> IT'S NOT WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES.

IT'S NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO REACH OVER ACROSS SOMETHING.

>> DO THE OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE SEPTIC?

>> THERE ARE SOME LOTS THAT ARE ON SEWER AND SOME THAT ARE ON SEPTIC ACROSS THE STREET.

>> IF THEY ARE IN A CERTAIN DISTANCE WHEN THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM FAILS, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY TO CONNECT TO THE SEWER THAT WOULD BE THERE?

>> NO. BECAUSE WE HAVE A SEWER MASTER PLAN WITHIN OUR MASTER PLAN DOCUMENTS.

ONE OF THOSE PLAN DOCUMENTS, AND SO IT IDENTIFIES WHERE THE TOWN WILL HAVE SEWER SERVICE VERSUS SEPTIC SERVICE.

IF YOU ARE IN AN AREA THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR SEPTIC SERVICE, IF YOU WERE IN THAT CROSS TIMBERS CONSERVATION DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT FAILS, YOU REPLACE IT WITH ANOTHER SEPTIC SYSTEM REGARDLESS IF YOU ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO SEWER SERVICE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO. ACTUALLY, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO CONNECT TO SEWER SERVICE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND REQUEST A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT TO PULL THEIR LOT OUT OF THE SEPTIC SERVICE AREA AND PUT IT IN THE SEWER SERVICE AREA ON THE SEWER MASTER PLAN.

>> THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS FROM THE LAND USE PLAN STANDPOINT, THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN THE CROSS TIMBERS AND THIS SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE AREA.

IF YOU CAN JUST IMAGINE SCENIC ROAD GOING NORTH AND SOUTH.

IT STARTS JUST NORTH OF KINGSTON ESTATES THERE, AND THEN GOING STRAIGHT SOUTH AND THEN HIGH MEADOW ROAD.

IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT LINE THAT GOES THROUGH.

IN FACT, THE ENCLAVE, A CHATEAU TO LOCK DIRECTLY WEST SPLIT.

ONE SUBDIVISION SPLIT BETWEEN TWO LAND USE DISTRICTS.

THE ONES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT ARE ON SEWER, BUT YOU GO JUST A FEW FEET WEST OF THERE AND IT'S IN THE CROSS TIMBER.

YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS IN THE SAME SUBDIVISION, SOME ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE SEWER AND SOME ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE SEPTIC.

IN YOUR QUESTION, I THINK ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO LAND USE, A LOT OF THE DIVIDING LINES ARE STREETS OR PROPERTY LINES.

WHEN THIS WAS DEVELOPED AND THE LAND USE PLAN ADOPTED IN 1999, THEY JUST TOOK SCENIC ROAD AND SHOT IT STRAIGHT DOWN.

>> BECAUSE IT NEEDED TO BE ARBITRARY AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T AS MUCH DEVELOPMENT THERE.

STRAIGHT LINE. THERE ARE NO ROADS THAT ARE STRAIGHT LINES HERE IF THEY HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THAT AREA IS A BRAND NEW.

>> THIS PIPE, THE HOA HAS TO MAINTAIN IT.

HOW DO WE KNOW THEY ACTUALLY WILL? DO WE HAVE ANY AUTHORITY IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE AND THEN SAY THE PIPE IS DAMAGED OR THE PIPE IS OBSTRUCTED IN SOME WAY.

DO WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THEM FIXING IT?

>> YES. IT'S PART OF REQUIRED INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE HOA IS DESIGNATED TO MAINTAIN IT.

IF THERE ARE COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT, THE TOWN CAN GO OUT TO CHECK ON IT AND SEE.

WE WILL DO THAT CURRENTLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE MORE TRADITIONAL LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE, BUT IT'S MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE WHEN THOSE JUST SWALES THAT ARE WITHIN AN EASEMENT OR NOT DEDICATED TO AN HOA, THEY JUST BELONG TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER, AND SO IT CAN THEN SOMETIMES BECOME A CIVIL ISSUE BETWEEN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

THAT'S WHY WE PUT IN THE LANGUAGE THAT EVEN IF IT IS THE LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE EXCEPTION IS GRANTED BY COUNCIL, THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN AN EASEMENT THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA TO ENSURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SAME SITUATION.

>> IT COULD BE SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS TO IT.

>> YEAH, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE SYSTEM IF NOT JUST A SWALE.

>> IF THAT EXCEPTION IS ALLOWED ALONG WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN GRADE EACH LOT INDIVIDUAL THE BENCH GRADING, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THAT SIZE PIPE WILL BE ADEQUATE FOR THE LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE WHEN WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THE HOMES WILL BE SITUATED AND HOW BIG THEY'LL BE?

>> THAT'S FOR A DIFFERENT SECTION.

LET'S SEE.

>> THE PIPES ARE GOING IN HERE AND HERE.

SO THESE LOTS ARE ALL GOING TO BE GRADED.

THEY'RE ONLY REQUESTING THE EXCEPTION TO NOT BENCH THE LOTS HERE.

I GO BACK.

>> THOSE DON'T GRADE IN THAT SAME DIRECTION, AND THOSE WILL BE THE GRADING THAT WE USUALLY REQUIRE NOW TO THE STREET.

>> NO, ACTUALLY, THESE ALL BACK UP TO THE LAKE, SO THEY CAN JUST THEY DON'T HAVE TO LOT.

THEY'LL JUST DRAIN TO THE LAKE.

>> IT WON'T BE LOT TO LOT, IT WILL BE TOWARD JUST STRAIGHT BACK TO THE LAKE.

>> STRAIGHT BACK TO THE LAKE.

THE ONLY ONE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WEIRD IS THIS ONE

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BECAUSE IT BACKS UP TO OTHER PROPERTY, NOT TO THE LAKE.

THAT'S WHY THEY ARE SHOWING THIS EASEMENT ACROSS HERE FOR THE DRAINAGE TO GO ACROSS THERE, BUT THEY'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT MORE SPECIFICALLY WHEN THEY ACTUALLY COME FORWARD WITH THE HOUSE PLANS WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WANT TO GRADE AND DESIGN THOSE LOTS, AND STAFF WILL REVIEW IT AGAIN AT THAT TIME TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS ALL THE TOWN STANDARDS.

>> THOSE LOTS THAT ARE JUST THIS WILL BE SOUTH.

THOSE ARE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTIES.

HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE IMPACTED IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG?

>> THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION THE DRAINAGE GOES.

IT DOESN'T GO TOWARD THEIR PROPERTY, IT GOES TOWARD THE LAKE.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SHOWING THAT THIS WOULD DRAIN THIS WAY BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT ALREADY DRAINS.

>> IS THERE AN OVERLAY WITH THE FLOODPLAIN MAP TO SEE WHICH OF THESE AREAS IS IN 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN? BECAUSE WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT SCENARIO DEPENDING ON THE VOLUME OF WATER.

STAFF ENGINEERING STAFF CALCULATES THE VOLUME OF WATER BASED ON WHAT THEY KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT CALCULATIONS ARE FOR WHAT'S OUT THERE.

THEN WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING NEW, THEN WE LOOK AT THAT.

I SAY WE AS IF IT WERE ME, BUT THEN ENGINEERING STAFF LOOKS AT THAT.

>> SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION AGAIN?

>> THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

IS THERE AN OVERLAY OF THAT MAP WITH THE LOTS WHERE THEY'RE REQUESTING THE LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE AND THE PIPE BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE SEEN JUST RECENTLY THE DEVASTATING EFFECTS OF TOO MUCH WATER.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THE MOUNTAINOUS REGION OF NORTH CAROLINA THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM. STILL IT DID.

>> WE SAW THAT OUT BY TWIN COVES AND [OVERLAPPING]

>> WE DID SEE IT BY TWIN COVE.

>> WE HAD THE LIFT PUMP.

>> ALSO A MUCH OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT OUR RESIDENTS IN TOUR 18 HAVE HAD SOME DEVASTATING IMPACT DUE TO LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE AND UNPRECEDENTED OR RARE RAINS.

I DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER [OVERLAPPING].

>> THEY DON'T HAVE A LIFT PUMP OUT THERE.

BUT TWIN COVES DOES HAVE THE LIFT PUMP OUT THERE, ONE OR TWO.

I KNOW ONE THEY STILL HAVE FLOODING.

>> STATION OUT AT TWIN COVES IS FOR THE SANITARY SEWER.

ONE OF THE THINGS WHENEVER THE LAKE LEVEL GETS SO HIGH, IT INUNDATES THAT LIFT STATION AND WE HAVE TO SHUT IT DOWN.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO IT'S NOT A FLOOD PREVENTION PUMP, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN WHEN THE LAKE FLOODS.

FOR THIS AREA OVER HERE, THIS BLUE LINE HERE, THAT IS THE FLOODPLAIN.

ACTUALLY, AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS COME IN, THEY'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE FLOODPLAIN AND ACTUALLY OVERLAID THAT ON THE EXISTING CONTOURS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE REDEFINING THAT FLOODPLAIN.

THEY'RE NOT ADJUSTING IT, THEY'RE JUST CORRECTING IT IS ACTUALLY FALLING IN THE RIGHT SPOT BECAUSE WHEN THIS WAS ACTUALLY DRAWN, THESE WERE REALLY OLD CONTOURS.

NOW WE HAVE BETTER SURVEY.

BUT THERE'S NOT ANY PIPE THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO THE FLOODPLAIN.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY BUILDING THAT'S GOING INTO THE FLOODPLAIN.

BUT SOME OF THESE LOTS ARE BECAUSE THEY JUST BACK UP TO THE LAKE, THEY DO HAVE FLOODPLAIN ON THEM.

>> THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, NOT THE 500 YEAR OR 1,000, WHICH JUST GO BY 100.

>> WE GO BY 100. I THINK ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THIS DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS ACTUALLY SIZED PROPERLY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE LOTS ARE GOING TO DO? WELL, WHAT WE DO KNOW IS WE DO KNOW THAT THERE'S BASICALLY A ROAD THAT'S GOING TO GO RIGHT THROUGH HERE AND THAT EVERYTHING IS FROM THAT ROAD IS GOING TO DRAIN TO THE NORTH.

WE MAY NOT KNOW EXACTLY IS THE HOUSE GOING TO GO HERE ON THE LOT OR IS IT GOING TO GO HERE ON THE LOT? BUT WE DO KNOW ALL THAT WATER HAS TO GO AROUND THAT HOUSE AND HAS TO GO TO THE BACK.

WE KNOW HOW MUCH WATER THAT'S GOING TO BE.

THE PIPE IS SIZE SO THAT IT CAN GET THERE AND THEN IT CAN CONVEY IT AWAY.

>> BASICALLY, THE PIPE WILL HANDLE THE TOTAL VOLUME OF WATER REQUIRED FOR THAT AREA OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN EACH LOT WILL BE DESIGNED TO TAKE THE WATER ON THAT LOT AND GET IT OFF THAT LOT, WHETHER IT'S TO A PIPE OR TO THE STREET OR WHATEVER IS APPLICABLE TO THAT LOCATION.

>> CORRECT. THEN WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT THEIR INDIVIDUAL GRADING PLAN ON SOME OF THOSE LOTS THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE BENCHED, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING GRADING THAT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT A LOT NEGATIVELY.

FOR INSTANCE, THIS ONE HERE, YOU ASKED, WELL, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THESE LOTS HERE? WELL, CURRENTLY THE ENTIRE LAND SLOPES AWAY.

THE LAND SLOPES TO THE NORTHEAST.

WE WOULDN'T LET THEM CHANGE THAT DRAINAGE PATTERN.

IF THEY JUST BASICALLY COME AND PUT A LOT HERE, THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THAT DRAINAGE PATTERN.

IT'S STILL GOING TO GO NORTHEAST.

>> THE SLOPE EXCEPTIONS OR WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO IMPACT THE DRAINAGE.

IF THERE ARE RETAINING WALLS BUILT,

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THAT COULD IMPACT THE WAY THE WATER FLOWS.

>> YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING ANY RETAINING WALLS, BUT WE WOULDN'T LET THEM GO DEVIATE BEYOND THE DRAINAGE PLAN THAT THEY HAVE.

>> IF THE SLOPE EXCEPTION IS APPROVED, THAT WOULD MEAN THE GRADING WOULD JUST NORMALIZE THE TOPOGRAPHY.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE THE UNDULATION THAT IT HAS NOW, IS THAT RIGHT? THEN HOW DO WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO DRAIN IF IT ALL BECOMES FLAT LAND?

>> WELL, WE STILL KNOW IT'S GENERALLY GOING TO GO NORTHEAST AND IT'S HAS TO GO EITHER TO THE RIGHT OF WAY OR HAS TO GO TO THE PIPE SYSTEM BACK THERE.

>> THE SLOPE EXCEPTIONS WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THE PLANS WERE DONE.

WHATEVER WE'VE LOOKED AT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE SLOPE EXCEPTIONS ALSO.

>> WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COUNCIL DOES NOT APPROVE THESE EXCEPTIONS TONIGHT? WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THAT?

>> I COULDN'T SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK WITH THEM ON THEIR PLANS IF ONE OR ANY OF THE EXCEPTIONS ARE DENIED.

THEY MIGHT LOOK AT ANOTHER WAY TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY SINCE IT'S A STATE WOULD BE TO DO A CONSERVATION DEVELOPMENT, THEN YOU CAN DO SMALLER LOTS AND PUT A LARGER AMOUNT OF AREA INTO X LOT OR UNDISTURBABLE SPACE.

BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'VE TOLD ME THEY WERE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.

YOU'RE ASKING ME WHAT COULD HAPPEN.

THAT MIGHT BE ONE DIRECTION THEY WOULD GO.

THEY HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.

I THINK THEY WOULD THEY WOULD PLAN TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY.

I THINK YOU'D REALLY HAVE TO TALK TO THEM.

>> I KNOW. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.

IT'S A VERY CURVY ROAD.

DOING A HIGHER DENSITY OUT THERE WOULD BE DIFFICULT.

>> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT.

IS THAT THAT'S PART OF THE PLATTING?

>> I'M GOING TO GET [OVERLAPPING]

>> SINCE I HAVE THIS UP, I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE THE CROSS TIMBERS IS.

AGAIN, THE SHADED AREA IS CROSS TIMBERS PROTECTION AREA.

THIS IS CROSS TIMBERS CONSERVATION DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IN THE GREEN.

THAT'S THAT DIVIDING LINE.

AS TOMMY MENTIONED, IF YOU TOOK SCENIC STRAIGHT DOWN THERE, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD GO.

THIS IS ALL CROSS TIMBERS.

>> I JUST THINK IT'S INTERESTING HOW ARBITRARY THAT LOOKS TO ME.

REALLY. BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE'S A TREE ACROSS THE STREET THAT FROM ONE AREA TO THE OTHER AND IT DOESN'T KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE DISTRICT.

>> RIGHT. WHEN WE DID THE ENCLAVE YEARS AGO THAT SPLIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HALF, THAT WAS REALLY ARBITRARY BECAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU WOULD NOT RUN A LAND USE LINE AND SPLIT A WHOLE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WAS ONE PROPERTY UNDER COMMON OWNERSHIP.

>> WOULD THE TIME TO HAVE DISCUSSED THIS BEEN WAY BACK WHEN THE STRAIGHT ZONING WAS DONE? BECAUSE NOW IS THE ZONING CONTINGENT ON WHAT LAND AREA IT'S IN OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT STILL COULD BE CHANGED?

>> SOMEONE CAN ALWAYS REQUEST TO REZONE THEIR PROPERTY, JUST LIKE THE COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS INITIATE A REZONING OF A PROPERTY.

THAT OPTION IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR ANY PROPERTY? WHY DON'T I FINISH MY PRESENTATION?

>> SORRY.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS. JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM ESTUARY POINT TO THE DAKOTA RECORD PLAT.

THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAD 27 LOTS THAT'S BEEN REDUCED TO 26 LOTS.

THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME AVERAGE LOT SIZE.

ANOTHER DIFFERENCE IS THE NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS.

THERE ARE TWO STREET ACCESS POINTS IN THE ESTUARY POINT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN THERE WERE ALSO THESE FIVE LOTS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DRIVEWAYS DIRECTLY ACCESSING OFF OF DEER PATH.

WHICH I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT, BECAUSE DEER PATH IS A LOCAL STREET, THERE WAS NOTHING AT THE TIME IN OUR REGULATIONS THAT PREVENTED IT.

BUT NOW THIS HAS BEEN REDUCED TO JUST ONE STREET ACCESS POINT,

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AND THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAY ACCESSES HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

LANDSCAPE PLAN. THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE TOWNS LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS HERE ALONG DEER PATH.

JUST AGAIN, IT'S THE PERIMETER OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THEY ALSO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PROPOSED LANDSCAPING AROUND THE LIFT STATION AND IN THE ENTRANCE AREA.

IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE BLOWN UP VIEWS OF ANY OF THOSE, I HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE AS WELL.

THEY ARE PRESERVING ALL OF THE SPECIMEN TREES ON THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS JUST A MORE CLOSE UP VIEW OF THAT ENTRANCE.

AGAIN, THIS SHOWS YOU I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT WHETHER THERE WOULD BE A TURNAROUND OR IF TRAFFIC WOULD BACK UP INTO THE STREET.

THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT THERE IS A TURNAROUND HERE AT THE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF REVIEWS FOR.

IT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

>> I'M SORRY, LEXON. FOR THAT ONE ENTRY AND EXIT, HOW MANY HOMES ARE IN THERE?

>> THERE'S 26 HOMES.

THEN JUST TO GIVE YOU THIS VIEW AS WELL.

STAFF ACTUALLY REQUIRES THAT PEOPLE RUN THIS THROUGH A MODEL USING THIS VEHICLE TYPE WAS A CITY CARGO VAN, JUST TO MAKE SURE AGAIN THAT IT CAN MAKE ALL THOSE TURNS AND THERE WON'T BE AN ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC.

AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HERE'S WHERE THE GATES ARE.

THIS IS WHERE THE GUARDHOUSE WOULD BE, BUT IF THERE'S NO ONE AT THE GUARDHOUSE AND THEY'RE JUST RELYING ON THE GATE, THEN THE TURNAROUND WOULD BE BEFORE THOSE GATES.

THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO BACK UP INTO TRAFFIC.

>> LEXON, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD, I THINK IT WAS TODAY WAS, IF PEOPLE ARE QUEUING UP, WAITING TO GET TO THE GUARDHOUSE, WILL THEY QUEUE UP ON THE ROAD? HAS STAFF LOOKED AT THAT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION?

>> WHEN YOU HAVE A SUBDIVISION WITH ONLY 26 HOMES, I DON'T THINK YOU IMAGINED THAT THERE WOULD BE MULTIPLE DELIVERY VEHICLES QUEUING UP AT THE SAME TIME.

AGAIN, OUR REQUIREMENT, WE DO REVIEW FOR THIS.

IT'S YOU HAVE TO ENSURE THAT A BOX TRUCK, NOT JUST A CAR, IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE DELIVERY SERVICE FROM A BOX TRUCK, THAT THEY COULD ACCESS THE AREA AND COULD TURN AROUND IF FOR SOME REASON, THEY CAN'T GET IN THE GATE OR, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CODE IS OR WHATEVER THE SITUATION MAY BE.

BUT THAT IS THE TOWNS STANDARD.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD IMPOSE ON THEM A HIGHER STANDARD THAN WE DO ON ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT.

>> THAT STANDARD PERTAINS TO THE TURNING RADIUS? NOT NECESSARILY THE DEPTH OF EACH VEHICLE TO BRIAN'S POINT TO QUEUE BEFORE THE GATE.

>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I DON'T THINK [OVERLAPPING].

>> WE DON'T HAVE A STANDARD FOR THE DEPTH TO KNOW HOW MANY WOULD QUEUE.

>> AGAIN, I THINK YOU JUST DON'T PRESUME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT MANY DELIVERY TRUCKS ALL TRYING TO DELIVER AT THE SAME TIME.

>> BUT IT COULD BE A RESIDENTIAL CAR AND A DELIVERY TRUCK BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE SCALE.

HOW MANY VEHICLES COULD ACTUALLY QUEUE BEFORE THE GATE? IS IT THREE? IS IT TWO? IS IT ONE? I DON'T KNOW.

>> I DON'T KNOW EITHER, BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING [OVERLAPPING].

>> THAT WE HAVE PURVIEW OVER.

>> THAT YOU HAVE PURVIEW OVER IN THIS CASE.

THEY ARE MEETING THE TOWN STANDARD.

THEY HAVE PROVIDED FOR A TURNAROUND SERVICE FOR THE SIZE VEHICLE.

THAT'S WHAT WE REVIEW FOR.

IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE STAFF LOOK AT A QUEUING ANALYSIS FOR PRIVATE SUBDIVISIONS.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE WE CAN DO.

>> I THINK NOT IN EVERY CASE, PERHAPS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF ROAD THAT WE HAVE HERE AND THE CURVES AND THE NARROWNESS AND THE RURAL ATMOSPHERE WHERE WE COULD HAVE BIKERS, PEOPLE RUNNING.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD CREATE AN UNDUE HAZARD TO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER BEFORE WE WOULD GO FORWARD.

>> BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S TWO CURVES TO AND THIS MIGHT GO BEYOND THIS CONVERSATION.

IF YOU TAKE A RIGHT OUT OF THAT SUBDIVISION, THERE'S ALMOST A 90 DEGREE CURVE.

PROBABLY 200 FEET DOWN THE STREET.

I'M JUST GUESSING. I'M GOOD WITH DISTANCES, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THAT GOOD IN THE CAR.

BUT I KNOW IT'S A FAIRLY SHORT DISTANCE.

THEN IF YOU TAKE A LEFT, THERE IS YET ANOTHER CURVE, WHICH IS A VERY SHORT DISTANCE AND IT'S A PRETTY STRONG CURVE.

PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE AND THEN COMING AROUND THOSE CORNERS.

I JUST I SEE.

IT COULD BE CATASTROPHIC IN SOME LEVEL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THIS CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT.

I FEEL IT'S RELEVANT, BUT THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE.

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>> THIS DEVELOPMENT MET ALL OF THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS.

>> VOLUME OF VEHICLES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY HOW THEY QUEUE AND THEY'RE LIMITED IN THEIR ACCESS.

>> THIS DEVELOPMENT MET ALL OF THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC STANDARDS.

>> I THINK CLAY MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

I THINK OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER MAY HAVE SHARED THAT WITH HIM.

>> I DO HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE THAT CLAY CAN SPEAK TO.

>> WHENEVER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, WE WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT IN PARTICULAR, AND SO FROM THE GATE TO DEER PATH, ABOUT FOUR FEDEX TRUCKS COULD QUEUE UP.

>> THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW.

>> THAT'S THE DISTANCE THAT THEY COULD QUEUE UP.

A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

THERE ARE 26 HOMES, AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS JUST ON A BASIC TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS THAT'S ABOUT 26 TRIPS DURING THE PEAK PM TIME.

THAT'S ABOUT ONE TRIP EVERY TWO MINUTES AND IT'S SPLIT ABOUT 2/3 ENTERING AND ABOUT 1/3 EXITING.

THAT'S THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT GENERATES.

ACCORDING TO THE CRASH DATABASE, THERE HAVE BEEN THREE ACCIDENTS OUT THERE AND IT'S AT THAT 90 OF MEADOWLARK AND HIGH MEADOW.

TWO OF THOSE HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF NIGHT, HAPPEN TO BE SOME 16 YEAR OLDS THAT WERE GOING WAY TOO FAST.

THEN THE OTHER ONE HAPPENED IN THE AFTERNOON AND NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, BUT THEY ABANDONED THE VEHICLE.

BUT THE ONLY INCIDENTS WE'VE HAD OF TRAFFIC HAD BEEN AT THAT 90 OF MEADOWLARK AND HIGH MEADOW.

BECAUSE TWO OF THOSE ACCIDENTS HAPPENED AT NIGHT, THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION ACTUALLY APPROVED PUTTING THE STREET LIGHT IN AT THAT INTERSECTION SINCE THAT STREET LIGHT HAS BEEN INSTALLED, SINCE ONLY BEEN JUNE OF 2023, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY MORE ACCIDENTS THERE.

>> THAT NUMBER OF TRIPS GENERATED THE ESTIMATION.

>> THAT COMES FROM A MANUAL.

>> YEAH, THE ITE MANUAL.

>> I THINK WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A LONG TIME AGO ABOUT HOW THAT MANUAL, I'M JUST NOT REALLY IMPRESSED BY HOW THEY GENERATE THEIR ESTIMATIONS, 26 HOMES EQUALS 26 TRIPS.

THAT MEANS LIKE ONE CAR PER HOUSE.

>> ONLY IN THE PEAK HOUR.

NOW OBVIOUSLY DURING THE DAY IS GOING TO BE MORE TRIPS, BUT [OVERLAPPING]

>> WE JUST SAW SO MANY PEOPLE LEAVE FLOWER MOUND TO GO TO WORK.

[LAUGHTER] THEN KIDS GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH CARS, AND I JUST THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN 26 TRIPS.

>> ONE ACCIDENT IN A YEAR IS A LOT.

>> I THINK THE IT MANUALS ARE PRE.

>> I KNOW IT IS, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T TO ME SEEM THAT REALISTIC BECAUSE I KNOW ALMOST EVERYONE I KNOW HAS MORE THAN ONE CAR.

>> I HAVE FIVE AT MY HOUSE.

>> WELL, THERE WE GO. YOU GET FIVE TRIPS FROM YOUR HOUSE.

>> I WISH I COULD GET MY KIDS AT THE SAME TIME I HAVE TO.

>> LEXIN, [LAUGHTER] I'M REALLY PUTTING YOU THROUGH YOUR PACES TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOU.

WOULD NOW BE A GOOD TIME FOR ME TO ASK ABOUT THE ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT, OR ARE WE STILL GETTING TO THAT? BECAUSE I WOULD ALSO HAVE A CONCERN FROM A FIRE SAFETY STANDPOINT AND OUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES ONLY HAVING ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, ESPECIALLY ON THIS ROAD THAT CAN BE OBSTRUCTED AT ANY TIME.

>> THE TOWN'S FIRE STANDARD IS FOR 30 HOMES OR MORE, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND POINT OF ACCESS, SO THIS IS 26, SO THEY WOULD ONLY NEED ONE POINT OF ACCESS.

>> IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE OUR PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT WE GET A 20% PLUS MINUS BOGIE THERE.

>> I MEAN, 26 HOMES, 30 HOMES.

IF IT'S YOUR HOME AND IT'S OBSTRUCTED, THEN THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.

THAT'S ONE HOME. I'M JUST NOT EXCITED ABOUT THAT EITHER.

>> I WANT TO BRING UP I WANT TO POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T DO THAT TYPICALLY, BUT ISN'T DEER PATH ALREADY JUST HAVE ONE ENTRY POINT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER WAY IF YOU GO BEYOND THE ENTRANCE TO THIS COMMUNITY, WOULD THERE BE ANY OTHER WAY TO GET THERE IF DEER PATH WAS BLOCKED? IT SEEMS LIKE THE WHOLE THING IS A BIG GIANT CUL DESC.

>> THERE ARE MORE THAN 26 HOME IMPACTED.

>> EVERYONE DOWNSTREAM IS ALREADY IN THAT SITUATION.

>> I THINK I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN JUST SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DEVELOP LAND.

>> I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES.

>> PROBABLY WHY IT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED PROBABLY WHY.

>> HERE IS THE REASON.

>> WELL. ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS?

>> ARE YOU DONE?

>> I'M NOT DONE. I'M SORRY, LEXIN.

[OVERLAPPING] HERE ARE JUST ELEVATIONS FOR THE WALLS SINCE IT IS A PRIVATE COMMUNITY, AND THEN HERE IS FOR THE GUARDHOUSE.

JUST FOR BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS ON SEPTEMBER 2, 2021.

[02:30:05]

THIS IS BACK WITH THE ESTUARY POINT DEVELOPMENT.

PARKS BOARD RECOMMENDED ACCEPTANCE OF CASH IN LIEU OF PARKLAND EDIFICATION AND THE AMOUNT OF $70,560 AND PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES AND THE AMOUNT OF 28,864.

SINCE THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE LOT LESS, THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO GO BACK TO THE PARKS BOARD FOR ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION.

ON SEPTEMBER 23, JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION, AND SO WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.

WHILE ALL OTHER RESIDENTIAL LOT SLOPES MUST ADHERE TO THE TOWN'S REGULATIONS.

THEN, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE OBLIGATIONS WOULD EXPIRE ON A LOT BY LOT BASIS AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION AND WHEN THEIR HOMES ARE THEN OCCUPIED.

THERE'S THE RECORD PLAT.

HERE'S THE CAPTION. NOW I'M FINISHED.

WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT ME TO LEAVE IT ON? THE RECORD PLAT PICTURE OR?

>> LOOK, I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE SLOPES JUST A LITTLE BIT.

WE GO BACK TO SLIDE 13.

THIS IS WHAT P&Z SPENT MOST OF THEIR TIME TALKING ABOUT.

YOU SAID THAT THE 12% SLOPE EXCEPTION IS FOR ANYWHERE IN THE BUILDABLE LOT.

>> YES. WELL, AGAIN, P&Z RECOMMENDED DENYING THE IMPACTS TO SLOPE OF 12%.

AGAIN, WHAT WE NORMALLY DO IS WE JUST BASED ON THE TOWN'S ORDINANCE, WE SAY IF THERE IS ANY SLOPE THAT'S ON A BUILDABLE LOT, THEN WE PRESUME IT IS IMPACTED.

>> EVEN IF THE BACKYARD HAS SOME SLOPE IN IT, THAT'S JUST THE BACKYARD, THAT STILL IS SUBJECT TO THIS.

BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE HAVING SOME SLOPE IN YOUR BACKYARD DOESN'T SEEM LIKE YOU'RE REALLY IMPACTING THE SLOPE.

>> AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW I'D RECOMMEND IT GOING IF YOU DID IT DEPENDING ON HOW YOU CHOOSE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN OR IF YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN.

THE REASON BEING THAT NORMALLY IT'S JUST YOU REQUIRE THE SLOPE EXCEPTION, IF THERE'S ANYTHING, EVEN IF IT'S JUST IN THE BACKYARD IS BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT THE FUTURE HOMEOWNER WOULD DO WITH THE PROPERTY.

IT'S JUST LIKE, IF IT'S ON THEIR HOME, THEY COULD IMPACT IT, SO WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME IT'S IMPACTED.

>> IF WE WERE TO DENY THE SLOPE EXCEPTION FOR 12%, BASICALLY, THE LOT LINES WOULD HAVE TO BE REDRAWN TO CUT THE SLOPES OUT AND MAKE THAT INTO AN X LOT. SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

>> I WOULD TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT.

I THINK THEY WORKED ON AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWED WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD DO WITH P&Z'S RECOMMENDATION.

THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THOSE QUESTIONS.

>> PNC'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO LIMIT IT TO 8% AND BASICALLY SAY THE BUILDABLE AREA, 8% SLOPE OR LESS.

WHEN I SAY BUILDABLE, I MEAN, THE ACTUAL HOUSE FOOTPRINT ITSELF, NOT THE BACKYARD.

THEN ONCE THE HOUSE IS CONSTRUCTED AND TURNED OVER, THEN WE'RE SAYING WE WOULD EXPIRE THAT SLOPE EXCEPTION SO THAT THE HOMEOWNER WOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THEIR OWN PROPERTY, WHICH THEY PROBABLY WON'T WANT TO DO A LOT WITH THE 12% SLOPE. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME?

>> I GUESS I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A QUESTION WITH THIS EXACT EXHIBIT BECAUSE FROM WHAT P&Z WAS SUGGESTING IS THAT NOTHING OVER 8%.

WELL, LOOKING AT THIS DIAGRAM, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.

>> YES. THAT'S WHY I SAID THE APPLICANT, I THINK, PUT TOGETHER AN EXHIBIT TO SHOW YOU WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD DO BASED ON P&Z RECOMMENDATION.

>> A SEPARATE DOCUMENT.

>> YES. THEY DID NOT HAVE IT READY IN TIME TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, BUT AGAIN, AND IT'S NOT BINDING.

IT WAS JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF WHAT THEY COULD IMPACT JUST LOOKING AT THAT 8% AND ABOVE.

BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, YOU REALLY CAN'T TELL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT INCLUDES EVERYTHING FROM 5-12.

>> HAVE YOU SEEN THAT SLIDE IN THE EXHIBIT AND YOU'VE REVIEWED IT.

>> I REVIEWED IT AS FAR AS, TIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING.

>> DO WE EVER VALIDATE THE CREDIBILITY OF THE ASSUMPTIONS?

>> STAFF ALWAYS VALIDATES THE CREDIBILITY OF EVERYTHING THAT IS APPROVED.

AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD WANT TO APPROVE WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, THEN YOU WOULD BE APPROVING IT WITH THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT.

[OVERLAPPING] STAFF REVIEWS AND APPROVES ANY EXHIBITS TO ENSURE THAT THEY MEET ALL THE TOWN STANDARDS.

>> LEXIN AND I FORGOT SOMETHING.

MR. SHERMAN SAID THAT THIS DOES NOT CONFORM TO SMART GROWTH.

I THOUGHT SMART GROWTH WAS A PASS FAIL.

[02:35:02]

>> IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CONSIDER.

IT'S JUST IT HAS TO PASS SMART GROWTH IN ORDER TO EVEN COME TO COUNCIL.

>> WHAT IS OUR RESPONSE TO THIS NOT CONFIRMING TO SMART GROWTH?

>> STAFF'S RESPONSE THAT WE HAVE EXPRESSED TO MR. SHERMAN IS THAT IT DOES MEET THE TOWN'S ENVIRONMENTAL SMART GROWTH REGULATIONS. STAFF REVIEWED IT.

THERE WAS AN EXTENSIVE EPP.

WE WENT MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF COMMENTS BACK AND FORTH ON THAT TO ENSURE THAT THEY REFLECTED ALL NECESSARY CRITERIA AND MET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

STAFF DETERMINED THAT IT MET THE SMART GROWTH CRITERIA.

I'M PRESUMING THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THE SLOPE EXCEPTION BECAUSE SLOPE EXCEPTION IS PART OF SMART GROWTH.

THEN IT WAS ALLOWED TO BE PLACED ON AN AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNCIL.

AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T NECESSARILY DISCUSS ALL OF THESE ENVIRONMENTAL ELEMENTS IN GREAT DETAIL.

BECAUSE THAT AUTHORITY IS DESIGNATED TO THE TOWN STAFF, THERE'S REALLY NOT THE ABILITY FOR COUNSEL TO SAY, NO, I THINK THEY COULD HAVE DONE BETTER WITH THIS.

I WANT TO DENY IT.

I KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL IS AWARE.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

THEY HAVE PUT A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON APPLICANTS, DEVELOPERS, BEING ABLE TO KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET WHEN THEY'RE TAKING FORWARD SOMETHING FOR A PLAT APPLICATION.

ZONING IS DIFFERENT, ZONING IS DISCRETIONARY, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF DISCRETION IN DETERMINING WHETHER YOU WANT TO APPROVE A ZONING REQUEST TO A DIFFERENT ZONING THAN WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PLATTING WHERE A PROPOSED APPLICATION IS MEETING THE ZONING STANDARDS, THEN AGAIN, IF THEY ARE MEETING THE DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA AS OUTLINED WITHIN THE TOWN'S REGULATIONS, WITHIN ANY MUNICIPALITIES REGULATIONS, THEN THERE IS NOT THE ABILITY WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR THE COUNCIL OR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO SAY, NO, I THINK YOU COULD HAVE DONE MORE ON THAT.

I WANT TO DENY IT.

THAT'S JUST THE WAY PLATS ARE SET UP.

>> WE CAN DENY THE SLOPE EXCEPTION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LEGAL BASIS TO DENY THE PLAT BECAUSE OF SMART GROWTH, BECAUSE IN STAFF'S OPINION, IT HAS PASSED SMART GROWTH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SLOPES.

>> BUT IF THEY DECIDE TO CHANGE THE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE SLOPES, THEN THAT MIGHT HAVE TO BE REPLATTED.

>> NO.

>> IF WE DENY THE SLOPE EXCEPTIONS, IT NO LONGER MEETS SMART GROWTH.

>> IF YOU DENY THE SLOPE EXCEPTION, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OUTLINED BY THE STATE WHERE A PLAT IS DENIED AND WE ISSUE THE REASONS FOR THAT DENIAL AND THEN THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRY TO RESUBMIT WITHIN 15 DAYS TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS THAT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH.

>> THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE SESSION. MAYOR, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO CONVENE IN CLOSED SESSION WITH CONSULTATION WITH TOWN ATTORNEY TO TALK ABOUT THE NUANCES OF STATE LAW AND PLATTING CODE.

>> CAN WE DO THAT TONIGHT OR DO I NEED TO WAIT AND DO THAT?

>> WELL, TIME IS NOW 8:48.

[L. CLOSED MEETING (Part 1 of 3)]

THE TOWN COUNCIL IS CONVENING INTO A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551, SECTION 071, 072, 074 AND 087.

THE TIME IS NOW 9:14,

[M. RECONVENE (Part 1 of 3)]

WE'RE RECONVENING INTO OPEN SESSION.

TO RESUME, THERE'S NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN FROM THAT CLOSED SESSION AT THIS TIME,

BUT WE WILL RESUME THE DISCUSSION ON ITEM J5 RC 23-0002 THE DAKOTA SUBDIVISION.

NOW, LEXIN, YOU WERE ALL FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. I PULLED UP THE APPLICANTS PRESENT.

>> OKAY.

>> THE APPLICANT IS COMING FORWARD TO SPEAK.

IF YOU'LL JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> MY NAME IS TERRY HOLMES, AND OUR OFFICE IS AT 225 EAST HIGHWAY 121 IN CAPEL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT ON THIS PROJECT.

WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE PURCHASES PROPERTY.

WE'RE SUPER HONORED WHEN THE OWNERS CALLED US TO DEVELOP IT.

WE LOVE LAND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL CITY THAT'S AMAZING.

WHERE I LIVE DOWN THE WAY IS NOT LIKE FLOWER MOUND.

[02:40:01]

I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT.

YOU GUYS KNOW IT TO BE TRUE.

BUT WHEN I SAW THIS LAND, I DEVELOPED THE LANDING BACK IN 1999, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT STRAIGHT LINE IS, IS RIGHT WE IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF THAT.

THEN IT WAS PROBABLY '98 ACTUALLY, AND THEN '99 THAT SMART GROWTH CAME IN AND THAT'S WHERE THAT LINE WAS STRONG.

WE BOUGHT THE LAND FROM MRS. SLAYTON A LONG TIME AGO.

WHEN I SAW THAT LAND DOWN ON THE NORTH SHORE OF LAKE GRAPEVINE AND THE OUTCROPPING OF THE ROCKS ON THOSE TWO POINT LOTS, IT'S LIKE, I GOT TO BUY THIS.

I WAS 35-YEARS-OLD WITH FOUR KIDS AND SOMEHOW HAD TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BUY THIS AND DIDN'T HAVE MUCH MONEY.

BUT THEN WHEN WE SAW THIS, IT'S LIKE WE WERE SUPER HONORED THAT THEY HAD ASKED US AND THEY SAW SOME OF OUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND HOMES. WE WERE SUPER FORTUNATE.

>> SOME OF THE REASON WHY WE BOUGHT THE LAND WAS BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO BUY THE LAND UNTIL YOU HAD YOUR RIGHTS APPROVED WITH THE CITY.

THAT'S EXTREMELY COMMON.

BUT WE HAD MET WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND WHEN WE MET WITH POINT NOBLE, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, LEE BYRD, SAID, I LIKE EVERYTHING, BUT I DON'T LIKE WHERE YOUR ENTRANCE IS, AND SO WE WOUND UP MOVING THAT, TOOK SIX MONTHS AND A LOT OF TIME EFFORT AND MONEY.

BUT WE'VE MET WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND WE WANT TO BE GREAT NEIGHBORS, WE WILL BE GREAT NEIGHBORS, AND SO WE WANT TO USE THIS LAND AND USE IT AS WISELY AS POSSIBLE AND TO BUILD 26 ARTISTIC COOL HOMES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE BIGGEST IN TOWN, BUT ARE RIGHT UP WITH THE COOLEST IN TOWN.

THAT'S HOW WE'RE WIRED AND A QUICK PRESENTATION, I WILL NOT REPEAT WHAT HAS BEEN SAID.

BUT WE'VE BEEN BUILDING HOMES SINCE 1983 AND ALL BEEN CUSTOM HOMES.

OTHER THAN SPEC HOMES, YOU WOULDN'T SAY THOSE ARE REALLY CUSTOM, BUT 90 SOME PERCENT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CUSTOM.

WE'VE BEEN TORTURED WITH DETAILS AND NOW WE SOMEHOW ENJOY DETAILS.

BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS WORKS FOR BUILDING HIGH END LUXURY HOMES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE DETAILED, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE A LOT OUT HERE.

THE LAND, I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S WHERE 51 LOTS WERE BACK 1999, WE WILL BUILD MOST OF THE HOMES HERE.

WE WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE'D BUILD ALL OF THEM, BUT WE GUESS ABOUT 75%.

IF WE SELL LOTS OFF, IT WILL BE BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THERE'S MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BUILDERS WHO THEY WANT TO BUILD THEIR HOME AND THEY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.

BUT IF WE THINK IT IMPROVES OUR PRODUCT AND STUFF, WE WILL SELL THE LOTS TO SOMEONE, BUT IT HAS TO BE GENUINELY SOMETHING THAT WE WILL MANDATE ARCHITECTS WILL BE USED HERE.

WE'LL WATCH THE CONTROL SUPER WELL.

WE SAY THAT THERE WILL BE 3 MILLION AND UP, IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE 4 MILLION.

THERE'S PROBABLY 100 AND SOME MILLION DOLLAR WORTH OF VALUE COMING HERE IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, AND I THINK THAT WILL ONLY INCREASE THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE HOMES THAT ARE AROUND THIS AREA.

I THINK 2005 IS THE AVERAGE AGE.

THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT MAYBE OWN THE TWO-ACRE LOT AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SMALLER HOME AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MAYBE A NEWER HOME BECAUSE THEY'RE 25, 30-YEARS-OLD, WE THINK THAT WILL BE A MARKET AS WELL AS PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE AREA.

WE'VE BUILT IN THE LANDING A LOT AND THIS IS ONE THAT WE BUILT IN CHATEAU DU LAC.

THERE'S A LOT OF TREES, BUT WE TOOK THEM OUT SO YOU COULD SEE THE HOUSE.

BUT IT'S A FUN HOUSE.

IT BACKS UP TO THE LAKE. THIS IS A HOUSE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SLOPE, WE DO NOT WANT TO BUILD ANY RETAINING WALLS.

THIS HOME FROM THE BACK RIGHT CORNER WHERE THE GARAGES ARE BACK IN HERE TO THIS HERE, THERE'S SEVEN FOOT OF FALL ON THE SLOT.

I'M SURE THIS IS MORE THAN A 12% GRADE HERE.

TWELVE PERCENT IS NOT A LOT, BUT I DO LOVE THE ORDINANCE, AND THIS IS A HOME IN COLLEYVILLE.

[02:45:04]

THE TREES WERE TAKEN OUT ALSO FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHY.

THIS IS THE FLOOR HERE.

THOSE WINDOWS GO TO THE FLOOR.

THIS IS WHERE THE GRADE BEAM IS LOWERED IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE RETAINING WALLS, WE'RE BUILDING THE RETAINING WALLS IN THE HOME.

THIS IS HOW WHOEVER WROTE YOUR ORDINANCE, REALLY HATS OFF TO WHERE IT SAYS THE 5-12%.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE CONTOUR OUTSIDE FIVE FEET, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID HERE.

WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT AT ALL.

THIS IS THE NATURAL CONTOUR, THERE'S A LAKE OR A CREEK OVER HERE.

YOU CAN'T SEE IT HERE, BUT THIS IS ON OUR WEBSITE.

IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST ONES IF YOU LOOKED AT IT.

BUT WE KEPT STEPPING DOWN THE HOME AND THEN WE HAVE A STEP DOWN TERRACE HERE.

BUT FROM HERE TO THERE IS A SEVEN-FOOT FALL.

THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING OUT IN DAKOTA.

THIS IS ONE WE MET WITH AGAIN, TWICE WITH THE PEOPLE AT POINT NOBLE.

THIS IS I THINK THE LAST HOME BUILT IN POINT NOBLE, BUT IT'S RIGHT AT THE END OF DEER PATH, AND SO IT'S A REALLY COOL HOME THAT BACKS UP TO THIS COVE HERE AND THEY GOT A GREAT VIEW OF THE LAKE.

BUT WE'LL DESIGN THE HOMES TO MAXIMIZE THE DESIGN IN THE LAYOUT OF THE LAND.

THAT'S WHY THOSE FIVE THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO GRADE.

IT'S BECAUSE WE WANT TO STEP DOWN TREES ARE INCREDIBLY VALUABLE TO YOU GUYS, TO US, BUT ALSO TO HOMEOWNERS AND WE WILL NOT BE TAKING OUT TREES.

THEY'RE TOO COOL. WE TALKED ABOUT THE SPECIMEN TREES OR LEXIN DID, SO NOT TO REDO THAT.

WE DID HAVE TO TRANSPLANT OR RESCUE IS THE RIGHT TERM, 01,400 BLUESTEMS AND SO WE WORKED WITH THE NATURALISTS.

THEY'RE HARD WORKERS, THOSE LADIES, HATS OFF TO THEM.

THEY WOULD COME OUT AND DIG UP A BUNCH BEFORE AND EVEN ON WEEKENDS OR DAYS BECAUSE THEY GOT THAT TIME.

BUT THEN ONE WEEKEND, WE TRANSPLANTED 1,400, AND IT WAS REALLY COOL.

WE LITERALLY ENDED ON A SATURDAY AND THEN IT WAS LIKE IN MAY, AND THEN IT RAINED REALLY FOR TWO MONTHS, AND THEY ALL LIVED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK THEY WOULD LIVE, BUT THEY REALLY DID.

IT WAS PRETTY NEAT, BUT THEY'RE REALLY HARD WORKERS.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I DO HAVE OUR ENGINEER HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND SO ROB IF YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE ON THAT.

>> THANKS, TERRY. ROB ADAMS, PRINCIPAL WITH LINGHAN ENGINEERING AT 2999 OLYMPUS IN DALLAS.

LEXIN DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF GOING THROUGH THE DRAINAGE EARLIER SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED TO RECAP EVERYTHING SHE SAID, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THE DRAINAGE.

IF THERE WAS ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU DIDN'T QUITE GET AN ANSWER ON?

>> I HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF THE DRAINAGE MODES AND THE POTENTIAL EXPENSE OF THAT AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE MAINTAINED IN PEAK PERFORMANCE.

>> WELL, THE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE AN ONGOING HOA ISSUE.

AS THE ENGINEER, WE'VE DESIGNED IT PER TOWN STANDARDS AS IF THIS WERE GOING TO BE A PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE TOWN WOULD TAKE OVER.

WE'RE HAVING TO MEET THE SAME STANDARDS.

WE'RE DESIGNING IT TO THE SAME VOLUME REQUIREMENTS, THE SAME SIZING REQUIREMENTS, THE SAME VELOCITY REQUIREMENTS, EVERYTHING THAT THE TOWN WOULD REQUIRE FOR ITS OWN PUBLIC SYSTEMS. THIS SYSTEM HAS BEEN REQUIRED TO BE DESIGNED TO THOSE SAME STANDARDS.

WE'RE MEETING THE STANDARDS THAT THE TOWN REQUIRES IN TERMS OF THE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE.

AS FAR AS THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE, IT WILL BE PRIVATE, SO IT'LL BE AN HOA ISSUE, AND THE HOA WOULD BE THE GOVERNING BODY THAT WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THOSE STORM LINES, UNDERGROUND DRAINS REMAIN CLEAR AND CONSIDERING THAT IF THEY WERE TO BACK UP, THEY'RE GOING TO BACK UP IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, THESE HOMEOWNERS AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE PART OF THE HOA SO I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD HAVE A VOICE.

>> THEY WILL BE ON YOUR PROPERTY OR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, BUT NOT THE NEIGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE?

>> IF IT WON'T GO THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY, WILL NOT GO TOWARD THE NEIGHBORS?

>> LET ME GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

[02:50:04]

THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE WILL HAVE AN UNDERGROUND STORM LINE THAT GETS INSTALLED ON THAT NORTH PROPERTY LINE, BUT THERE WILL ALSO BE A BERM RIGHT ALONG THAT NORTH PROPERTY LINE.

IF THE PIPE WERE TO GET CLOGGED AND WATER WERE TO BACK UP OUT OF THE DRAINS INTO THE YARD, THERE'D BE A 2-3 FOOT HEIGHT BERM THAT WOULD KEEP THAT WATER IN THOSE BACKYARDS AND NOT LET IT GO OVER.

THERE'S AN EMERGENCY SPILLWAY OBVIOUSLY SO THAT IT WOULDN'T FLOOD ANY STRUCTURES IN THOSE PROPERTIES BEFORE IT WOULD OVERFLOW.

BUT THE STORM'S LINE HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO CARRY 100-YEAR STORM DURING OR A STORM EVENT.

>> THEN DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO INFORM THE HOA OF THE ROUTINE OR RECOMMENDED MAINTENANCE SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND EVERYONE GOES IN WITH THEIR EYES WIDE OPEN?

>> IT'LL BE INSTALLED AS A CONCRETE SYSTEM, RCP STORM LINES.

UNLESS AN ANIMAL WERE TO GET UP IN THERE AND GET CLOGGED BECAUSE THESE ARE BIG LINES.

YOU ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT ARE THEY LIKE THE SIZE OF A SANITARY SEWER? TYPICAL SANITARY SEWER LINE IS GOING TO BE EIGHT INCHES TO 12 INCHES WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

THESE LINES ARE GOING TO BE 30, 36, 42, 48 INCH LINES.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE BIGGER LINES THAT ARE GOING TO GO IN.

IT WOULD TAKE A LOT TO CLOG IT.

>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE?

>> I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

COULD YOU WALK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW THE WATER GETS FROM THE GROUND INTO THE PIPE?

>> THERE'LL BE GRATE INLETS IN THE CORNERS OF THE YARDS, THE BACK, WHAT WOULD BE THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF EACH YARD.

WELL, ACTUALLY THERE'S GOING TO BE SEVERAL INLETS ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.

WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY SPECT THE EXACT GRATE THAT WOULD GO IN, BUT TYPICALLY THESE ARE A TWO BY TWO BOX WITH A GRATE ON TOP OF IT.

YOUR SHEET FLOW COMES DOWN AS IT GETS TO THAT NORTH PROPERTY LINE, IT HITS THAT BERM AND IT'S ROUTED INTO THE STORM DRAIN OR INTO THE GRADE INLET.

THEN FROM THERE IT DROPS INTO THE PIPE.

PIPE WOULD THEN RUN TO THE EAST TOWARDS THE LAKE, ULTIMATELY BE DISCHARGED INTO THE LAKE.

>> THANKS. IS THERE ANY CONCERN TO ANN'S POINT THAT THAT GREAT INLET COULD GET CLOGGED WITH DEBRIS OR LIMBS OR LEAVES OR A DEAD ANIMAL THAT THE HOMEOWNER SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT THIS IS REALLY CRITICAL YOU KEEP THIS CLEAR AND OPERATIONAL.

>> YEAH. THAT'LL BE A HOMEOWNER REQUIREMENT ON THEIR YARDS TO KEEP THOSE CLEAR.

WE DO TYPICALLY SIZE THOSE GRATES WITH TWICE THE AREA THAT'S REQUIRED TO CARRY THE VOLUME OF WATER BECAUSE WE DO ASSUME AT LEAST 50% CLOGGAGE OF THE GRATES IN OUR DESIGNS, JUST AS A FACTOR OF SAFETY.

BUT ULTIMATELY, IT'S UP TO THAT HOMEOWNER TO KEEP IT CLEAN.

I'M GUESSING WITH THE TYPE OF HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT HERE THAT MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY TOP OF MIND.

>> IN THE ABSENCE OF THIS EXCEPTION, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO TO CONFORM TO THE TOWN DRAINAGE STANDARDS?

>> WELL, WE'D HAVE TO REVERSE THE DRAINAGE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ENTIRE SITE DRAINS BASICALLY SOUTH TO NORTH GOING TOWARDS THE LAKE.

THERE'S A LOT OF FALL FROM DEER PATH DOWN TO THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE? THE ROAD THAT WE'VE DESIGNED THAT WE'VE GOT IN, JUST LOOKING AT THE CONTOURS, THAT NORTH PROPERTY LINE IS 10, 11 FEET LOWER THAN THE STREET.

IN ORDER TO GET THE DRAINAGE BACK OUT TO THE NEW STREET THAT WE PUT IN, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT VERY LARGE 12, 13, 14 FOOT RETAINING WALLS TO REVERSE THAT BACK OUT TO THE STREET.

>> WHAT HAPPENS TODAY TO THIS PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH?

>> IT ALL DRAINS ONTO THEM.

THE SHEET FLOWS ONTO THAT PROPERTY LINE.

>> CURRENTLY, THEY'RE GETTING INUNDATED WHENEVER IT RAINS MORE OR LESS?

>> YEAH. WHETHER THEY'RE GETTING INUNDATED OR NOT, YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THEM.

I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.

I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH TOWN STAFF AND WITH OUR CLIENT THAT THEY'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE OWNERS TO THE NORTH AND THAT THERE HAS BEEN CONCERN ABOUT THE VOLUME OF WATER.

THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL INTERCEPT ALL THAT NATURAL SURFACE DRAINAGE RUNOFF THAT'S GOING THAT WAY AND SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THE RUNOFF THAT'S GOING THERE TODAY.

>> IF YOU HAVE 4,000 SQUARE FEET HOMES MINIMUM, WILL THEY ALL BE TWO STORIES?

[02:55:05]

>> NO.

>> NO. SOME OF THEM COULD HAVE A ROOF TOP OF 4,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS NON-PERMEABLE, WHICH WOULD DISPLACE THAT MUCH MORE WATER THAT IS NOW GOING INTO A PERMEABLE SOIL.

THERE COULD BE MORE WATER.

IT'S LIKELY THERE WILL BE MORE WATER DISCHARGED BECAUSE IT HAS NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPED RUNOFF VERSUS UNDEVELOPED RUNOFF?

>> IN THE UNDEVELOPED STATE THAT IT IS NOW, YOU HAVE NATURAL INFILTRATION THAT OCCURS INTO THE GROUND, BUT NOT ALL OF IT INFILTRATES.

MOST TOWNS AND CITIES ADOPT COEFFICIENTS OF RUNOFF THAT WE LOOK AT, AND IN THIS CASE, OUR COEFFICIENT OF RUNOFF IN THE UNDEVELOPED STATE IS 0.3, SO 30%.

WE ASSUME THAT 70% OF IT IS GOING TO INFILTRATE, 30% OF IT'S GOING TO RUN OFF.

IN A DEVELOPED CONDITION, THAT COEFFICIENT IS MUCH HIGHER.

WE'RE PROBABLY AT 0.65.

>> 0.45 LAST TIME.

>> 0.45. FIFTEEN PERCENT INCREASE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE HOMES AND THE ROADS THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S RIGHT.

WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR THAT AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A PRE-VERSUS POST.

THE GOAL IS TO, IN THIS CASE, THE TWO EXISTING DRAINAGE BASINS THAT ARE CURRENTLY DRAINING ON THOSE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH.

IN THE EXISTING CONDITION, WE'VE GOT 54.5 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND THAT'S RUNNING THERE.

IN THIS DEVELOPED CONDITION, WE'RE REDUCING THAT DOWN TO 18.75.

WE'RE REDUCING IT BY TWO THIRDS IN THE DEVELOPED CONDITION BECAUSE WE'RE INTERCEPTING IT BEFORE IT GETS TO THE NORTH PROPERTY.

>> I'M JOHN DOSTER WITH THE DEVELOPER HOMES BUILDERS, AND I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE SLOPE EXCEPTION PORTION.

THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT LEXIN MENTIONED, THAT DENOTES THE AREAS THAT ARE BETWEEN 8% AND 12% AND OVER 12%.

THE ORANGE COLOR THERE IS THE IMPACTED AREAS OF 8-12%, AND THE DARKER RED THERE IS IMPACTED AREAS OVER 12%.

WE CAN SEE FROM THIS IT'S CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN WHAT IT IS.

THE LIGHTER RED IS OVER 12% THAT WON'T BE IMPACTED BECAUSE IT'S IN AN X LOT OR IT'S NOT ON THE BUILDABLE PART OF THE LOT.

THEN THE LIGHTER YELLOW IS BETWEEN EIGHT AND 12% THAT WON'T BE IMPACTED.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT EXCEPTION FOR THOSE MAINLY THESE LOTS THAT WE'RE NOT BENCHING TOWARDS THE LAKE SIDE, WHERE WE DO HAVE SOME AREAS THAT HAVE OVER 12% THAT WOULD LIKELY BE IMPACTED, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ALL.

THAT'S, AGAIN, WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE LOT BENCHING EXCEPTION.

THERE'S WAYS WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

JUST TO REFERENCE THE ORDINANCE.

THE ORDINANCE FOR THE TOPOGRAPHICAL SLOPE PROTECTION TALKS ABOUT ELIMINATING SCRAP AND BUILD, AND MAINTAINING THE OVERALL INTEGRITY OF THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS BECAUSE THAT HELPS US WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, WE THINK IT MAKES A NICER DEVELOPMENT.

WAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS ONE, WHAT WE MENTIONED BEFORE THE NOT BENCHING LOTS IN THOSE AREAS.

THAT ALLOWS US TO DESIGN HOMES THAT CAN FIT ON THOSE LOTS THAT MIGHT NOT AFFECT THE SLOPE.

SPECIFICALLY, LOT 14 THERE COULD PROBABLY HAVE A HOME THAT'S DESIGNED THAT WOULD NOT AFFECT THAT DARKER RED AREA THAT'S 12%.

THAT WILL ALLOW US TO NOT ONLY SAVE THE TREES, WE CAN VENT AROUND OR WE CAN DESIGN A HOME AROUND, BUT ALSO DESIGN AROUND SOME OF THESE SLOPE AREAS.

ANOTHER METHOD THAT WE WOULD USE TO MAINTAIN THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY IS WHAT TERRY MENTIONED EARLIER IS THIS IDEA OF INTERNAL GRADE BEAMS OR INTERNAL DROP GRADE BEAMS. THIS IS A RENDERING THAT SHOWS THIS IDEA OF THIS LOT SLOPING THIS WAY AND BACK THIS WAY.

THAT LINE THERE REPRESENTS WHERE A FINISHED FLOOR WOULD BE AND BELOW THERE IS THE DROP GRADE BEAM.

THAT ALLOWS US TO FIT THAT LOT OR DROP THAT HOME INTO THIS TOPOGRAPHY WITHOUT NECESSARILY DISTURBING THE TOPOGRAPHY,

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SO THAT RETAINAGE IS INSIDE THE HOME.

WHEREAS IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT DROP BEAM, YOU MIGHT HAVE A RETAINING WALL THAT SWOOPS AROUND THIS AREA THAT WOULD BE FILLED IN THAT WOULD AFFECT THE TOPOGRAPHY THERE, WHICH IS WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO.

THIS METHOD HELPS US GET THERE.

THEN FINALLY, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A HOME IN THE LANDING JUST TO THE WEST OF HERE, WHERE WE JUST FINISHED THIS HOME RECENTLY AND THIS HAS SLOPE OFF THIS WAY.

THE FINISHED FLOOR IS UP WHERE THAT LINE IS THERE JUST ABOUT, AND THERE'S A DROPPED GRADE BEAM THERE.

IT ALLOWED US TO PRESERVE THIS SLOPE.

YOU CAN SEE IT ALLOWED US TO KEEP THESE TREES PRETTY CLOSE TO THE HOME THERE, AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE CONDITION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE AT DAKOTA.

FINALLY, WE'RE GOING TO ADD LANGUAGE TO THE COVENANTS THAT FOLLOW THAT SLOPE ORDINATE.

SPECIFICALLY, WHEN THERE IS A STRUCTURE THAT MIGHT BE WITHIN THE AREA OF THAT 12%, IT WILL REQUIRE WRITTEN APPROVAL FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL COMMITTEE, SPECIFICALLY, WITH THE CHANGES OF THE SLOPE TO PRESERVE THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHIC FEATURE.

WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET THAT IN TO THE VERY FABRIC OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS THAT WE REALLY DO WANT TO KEEP THOSE SLOPES AND NOT AFFECT THEM ANY MORE THAN WE HAVE TO.

>> SHOULD I INTERRUPT WITH QUESTIONS AS YOU'RE GOING, OR DO I WAIT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> [LAUGHTER] I DO APPRECIATE INCORPORATING THE SLOPE EXCEPTION INTO THE HOA.

I THINK THAT'S A COUPLE MORE SLIDES FORWARD, IF YOU CAN GO THAT DIRECTION. YEAH, THAT ONE.

TYPICALLY, A DEVELOPER DOESN'T TURN OVER TO THE HOA UNTIL WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE LOTS ARE BUILT? IS IT L0% OR DO YOU PLAN TO WAIT TILL 100%, OR WHEN ARE YOU THINKING YOU'RE GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO THE HOA? 100%.

>> NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE.

>> MR. HOLMES, IF YOU CAN GO UP TO THE MIC SO WE CAN CAPTURE FEED.

>> I'M HERE, IT'LL PROBABLY BE 90%.

>> NINETY. THEN ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU COULD BUILD ABOUT 75% OF THE HOMES BUILDERS.

WHAT ABOUT THOSE OTHER BUILDERS THAT MIGHT COME IN THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS DEDICATED AS YOU ARE TO PRESERVING THE TREE AND USING THE DROP GRADE BEAMS IN LIEU OF RETAINING WALLS? HOW WOULD WE ADDRESS THAT, OR HOW DO YOU PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT?

>> IT WILL ABSOLUTELY BE A REQUIREMENT.

WE WILL NOT ALLOW LIKE THE TYPICAL BENCH AND PUT RETAINABLE.

WE WILL BE RUNNING A VERY TIGHT ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL.

IT'S NOT JUST LIP SERVICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT WILL BE TIGHT BECAUSE I DID THAT WRONGLY IN THE LANDING, AND IF YOU DROVE THROUGH THERE, YOU COULD ALMOST TELL THE HOUSE AND WE WILL NOT MAKE THAT MISTAKE AGAIN.

I WAS A LOT YOUNGER. BUT WE WILL NOT SELL THE LOTS, AND WE'LL ABSOLUTELY HAVE A REAL HARD APPROVAL ON THAT ON TOPOGRAPHY, AS WELL AS ARCHITECTURE.

BUT IT ALL IS WRAPPED IN TO THE SAME FABRIC.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE WRITTEN INTO THIS ORDINANCE OR WRITTEN AS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE EXCEPTIONS?

>> I THINK WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST RATHER THAN ATTEMPTING TO LEGISLATE WHAT A PRIVATE CONTRACT MAY CONTAIN, YOU COULD INCLUDE A CONDITION TO APPROVAL OF THE TOPOGRAPHICAL SLOPE EXCEPTION AS NO RETAINING WALLS ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, FOR INSTANCE.

WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA DO WE WANT TO DICTATE AS A CONDITION TO THE APPROVAL OF THE SLOPE EXCEPTION?

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT.

I'M JUST GOING TO CALL IT FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT ESC, DESIGN OF THE ARCHITECTURE WITH THE LAND.

I DO WONDER THOUGH, IF SOME PEOPLE, LIKE MY AGE, [LAUGHTER] AS I'M GETTING OLDER AND OLDER, I MAY NOT WANT ANY STEPS AND STAIRS IN MY HOME.

IS THERE A WAY TO RECONCILE THOSE TWO NEEDS?

>> YES, BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH THAT ALL THE TIME.

THE EMPTY NESTER IS LIKE MYSELF, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO GET OLDER.

WHAT YOU DO IF YOU CANNOT STEP IT DOWN BECAUSE OF AGE PARENTS OR WHATEVER, THAT'S OKAY.

YOU MAY STILL KEEP A LEVEL.

BUT FIRST OF ALL, YOU'LL PROBABLY SELECT THE LOT THAT WORKS, THAT'S HOW WE WOULD COACH THEM TOWARDS, WHAT WORKS FOR YOU.

BUT THEN ALSO YOU WOULD JUST HAVE A LARGER DROP GRADE BEAM BECAUSE ON THAT ONE THAT I SHOWED WE WERE SEVEN FOOT OF FALL,

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THEN WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A LARGER GRADE BEAM, THE SAME THING, BUT WE WOULDN'T STEP DOWN THE EIGHT TELL YOU THIS, THERE'S AN 18 STEP DOWN INTO THE ANGLED ROOF.

YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT.

YOU WOULD KEEP IT LEVEL.

THE NET OF IT IS YOU COULD STILL KEEP THEM LEVEL.

YOU WOULD HAVE MORE TALLER DROPPED GRADE BEAMS.

>> YOU WOULD DESIGN TO THE HIGHEST ELEVATION POINT FOR PERHAPS THE ENTRY, AND THEN THE LEVEL WOULD BE.

>> OR OVER IN THE GARAGE, WE HAD A STEM WALL GOING AROUND IT BECAUSE THE GARAGE IS BELOW GRADE BY ABOUT THREE FOOT.

YOU CAN IMAGINE A BASEMENT WALL ON ONE SIDE, AND THEN IT ALL THE WAY COMES DOWN TO THIS SIDE WHERE IT'S OUT OF THE GROUND ABOUT FOUR FEET.

THE FOUR AND THE THREE EQUALS ABOUT THE SEVEN OF TOPICAL.

THERE'S ALWAYS WAYS TO DO IT.

IT ADDS DIFFICULTY FACTOR, WHICH ADDS COST.

THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND THAT AND LIKE IT.

IT'S JUST LIKE YOU TAKE THAT HOME AND YOU PLANT IT ON THAT HOME, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMING OUT OF IT, MUCH LIKE YOU'D SEE IN THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS WITH REAL STEEP TOPOGRAPHY.

I THINK WE WILL STILL HAVE RETAINING WALLS AROUND THE POOL LIKE THE SLIDE THAT JOHN SHOWED.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D CONSIDER THAT RETAINING WALL OR NOT, BUT YOU WILL HAVE THAT BECAUSE WATER HAS TO BE LEVEL.

WE'LL HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.

>> IT MAY NEED A RAIL OR A GLASS, SOMETHING IF IT'S MORE THAN FOUR FEET DIFFERENT.

>> THEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE GUARD RAIL SITUATIONS AND STUFF.

BUT WE'LL HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, WOULD YOU CALL THAT A RETAINING WALL? I PROBABLY WOULD.

I'D HATE TO SEE THAT LANGUAGE, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE COULD DO, BUT IF YOU CALL THAT RETAINING WALL, I PROBABLY WOULD.

>> BUT IT'S ALSO ATTACHED TO THE STRUCTURE.

IT'S NOT SEPARATE FROM THE STRUCTURE.

IS THERE A WAY TO CRAFT THE LANGUAGE WHICH WOULD ALLOW ONE, BUT NOT THE OTHER?

>> YOU COULD INCLUDE A PROVISION REGARDING DETACHED RETAINING WALLS.

I'M PROBABLY NOT THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN ORDER TO COMMENT ON THAT, [LAUGHTER] BUT I CAN CERTAINLY HELP CRAFT THE LANGUAGE.

>> WE'VE HAD TO CREATE A LARGE ONE FOR THE LIFT STATION.

THERE'S PROBABLY EIGHT FOOT RETAINING WALL, I'M GUESSING WHERE THE LIFT STATION IS.

THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

I'VE NOT THOUGHT THROUGH THAT.

IN GENERAL, OUR CONVICTION, AS WE'VE SHOWN EVEN ON 2104 BAYSHORE, THE HOME THAT HE JUST SHOWED, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT, THAT WASN'T REQUIRED.

THAT'S A DEEP CONVICTION THAT WE HAVE, BUT THAT'S STILL THE BEST WAY AND IT'S ALREADY IN YOUR ORDINANCE.

THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE 5-12.

THE 12 I WOULD ASSUME IS CERTAINLY REQUIRED THAT, BUT ANYTHING ABOVE FIVE, THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED.

I THINK THAT IT'S, ACTUALLY, ALREADY IN THERE UNLESS YOU COME OUT FIVE FOOT AND BUILD A RETAINING WALL.

TO ME, THAT WOULD LOOK A LITTLE GOOFY. WE TRY NOT TO DO THAT.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

I WOULD HESITATE FOR YOU TO PUT IN A BLANKET STATEMENT THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE RETAINING WALLS, JUST BECAUSE SOMETIMES THOSE ARE USED IN ORDER TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF GRADING THAT HAS TO BE DONE.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT THEIR PREFERENCE, THEY DON'T WANT TO USE RETAINING WALLS.

BUT JUST DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES, IT SEEMS IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A BETTER THING TO HAVE A RETAINING WALL IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCE THAN JUST TO GRADE EVERYTHING SO THAT IT'S FLAT.

>> I SPOKE, ACTUALLY, INCORRECTLY IN THE BACK OF THIS HOME.

IF YOU WENT OUT THERE, THERE'S A DEEP RAVINE THERE AND THERE IS A RETAINING WALL, BUT IT'S LIKE WHERE THERE'S A RAVINE.

WE HAD TO DO IT IN ORDER TO EVEN PUT THE POOL AROUND BECAUSE OF ABNORMAL TOPOGRAPHY.

BUT THAT IS VERY SHORT.

IT'S ONLY ABOUT MAYBE 30 FEET LONG AND YOU WOULD THERE'S A A GORGE TO.

>> BUT YOUR PROPERTY HERE TALK ABOUT TONIGHT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RAVINES LIKE THAT, DOES IT?

>> NOT THAT'S ON THE LOTS. THAT'S CORRECT.

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>> ANOTHER THING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE IS THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO BE HIGH DOME GRATES, LIKE WHAT ROB WAS TALKING ABOUT.

WE'VE DONE THEM BEFORE, AND WAS OUR CONVICTION IS NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE BERM AND THE SWELL THAT MEETS THE 100-YEAR FLOOD, BUT WE HAVE THIS DRAINAGE, THE PIPE.

IT'S LIKE BELT AND SUSPENDERS, BUT THEN WHEN YOU HAVE THE HIGH DOME, THE LEAVES WILL GO AND FLOAT IT UP TO WHERE WATER GOES UNDERNEATH IT, SO THE HIGH DOME IS PART OF THE KEY.

IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT THAT, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE DIDN'T JUST PUT ONE ON, THEY'RE HARD TO SEE.

I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE OTHER ONE MAYBE BETTER.

BUT THEY'RE INTERMITTENT YOU CAN SEE IT LIKE THERE'S ONE AT THE CORNER, BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IN THE MIDDLE AND ANOTHER ONE AT THE CORNER AND ANOTHER ONE AT THE MIDDLE.

IT'S WAY OVERDESIGNED.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE I DON'T WANT A PHONE CALL MUCH LIKE STAFF DOESN'T WANT.

IF YOU OVERDESIGNED IT AND WE PUT IT, IT DOESN'T COST MUCH MORE TO DO IT REALLY WELL NOW, AND I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE PROBLEMS. WE DID THAT EVERYWHERE AND THERE'S, OBVIOUSLY, A COST OF THAT HERE.

THESE THERE'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE SO CLOSE.

BUT THERE AGAIN, THE SWELL HANDLES IT, BUT ALSO THE PIPE SO IT'S DOUBLE PROTECTED.

>> MENTIONED A GREAT AND THOSE WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO PROTECT THINGS AND LITTLE PEOPLE FROM?

>> THEY'RE CAST IRON.

>> THE OPENINGS ARE NARROW.

>> IT'S NARROW AND THEN IT'S GOT A DOME ON IT.

IT'S NOT FLAT, YOU'D THINK IT'S DOMED SPECIFICALLY SO THE LEAVES WILL FLOAT UP AND THE WATER GOES UNDERNEATH.

IT'S DESIGNED, THAT'S WHAT A HIGH DOME IS FOR, AND IT WORKS EXTREMELY WELL.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> WELL, TERRY, I HAVE A QUESTION I'M ON ANOTHER TOPIC.

WE MOVE ON FROM SLOPES?

>> THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES OF THE CONSERVATION AREA, BUT I THINK AS ANN POINTED OUT EARLIER, IT'S IN THE SPIRITUAL BOUNDARIES, YOU MIGHT SAY, AND THE WILDLIFE IS IMPORTANT.

RECENTLY, WE REDESIGNED SOME OF OUR FENCING STANDARDS IN OUR CONSERVATION AREA, WHICH WE POINTED OUT IS JUST A STONE THROWAWAY, TO DO AWAY WITH THOSE BIG MASONRY WALLS AND TRY TO GO TO MORE OF A RURAL FENCE THAT ALLOWS SOME MOVEMENT OF WILDLIFE? I KNOW THAT DEER AND THE HOMES CAN CO-EXIST WHEN THERE IS MOVEMENT ALLOWED, BUT WHEN YOU BOX OFF THE AREA AND CUT OFF ALL THOSE AVENUES, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

MY TWO QUESTIONS. NUMBER 1, HOW HAVE YOU ADDRESSED SUPPORTING THE WILDLIFE IN THIS PROPERTY? TWO, WOULD YOU RECONSIDER THE BIG MASONRY WALL AND CONSIDER ADOPTING OUR RURAL FENCING STANDARDS?

>> DO YOU HAVE THAT SLIDE?

>> THERE ARE OVER 400 CONTIGUOUS ACRES AROUND OUR PROPERTY FOR THE DEERS TO MIGRATE AND HABITAT.

THEY'RE DOING NOW AND THEY CAN COME ALL THE WAY AROUND AND ACTUALLY, HERE'S THE LANDING, BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT BIG OUTCROPPING WAS THERE.

BUT ALL THIS IN HERE.

THEY HAVE THAT, AND THEN UP IN THESE CURVES, IT GOES WAY DEEP IN HERE.

THEY HAVE THAT, BUT THERE'S 400 ACRES.

THEN ALSO FOR THE DEER PATHS COMING ACROSS HERE, THIS LAND IS UNDEVELOPED.

WE BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL COME HERE.

THIS IS WHERE OUR ENTRANCE WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHERE HE ASKED US TO MOVE IT.

HE'S FULLY AWARE THAT THERE'S 17 DEER OUT HERE, AND LEE BYRD IS HIS NAME.

I TALKED TO HIM MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT THE MIGRATION OF THE DEER AND WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM, AND SO HE ALSO THOUGHT THAT HE SAID, IF THIS IS OPEN, HE THINKS THEY'LL COME THROUGH AND DOWN HERE, AND THEY'LL STILL MIGRATE THROUGH HERE, THROUGH THIS OPEN PROPERTY.

WE DO HAVE A STONE WALL HERE, AND THEN IT'S OPEN IN THE MIDDLE THERE.

BUT WE THINK THAT SOME OF THAT AND THEN OUR STONE WALL COMES TO HERE BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAD REQUESTED A MASONRY WALL TO BLOCK THE VIEWS AND STUFF.

WE DO HAVE THAT.

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I GUESS WE COULD LOOK AT THAT, BUT WE THINK THAT THIS HERE IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH IT IN THE SAME WAY.

I WAS SURPRISED WHEN HE PREFERRED IT ALMOST TO GO AWAY, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE DEER, BUT ALSO WITH THE THE HOGS, IS A HUGE THING.

THAT'S A HUGE THING IN THE LANDING, IS THE HOGS THAT COME IN THERE.

PEOPLE TRYING TO STOP THEM.

THEY LOVE THE DEER, THE HOGS TEAR EVERYTHING UP.

IT'S REALLY BAD.

IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOUSE WHERE WE'RE BUILDING RIGHT NOW IN BAYSHORE, THAT THE MADDENS DEAL WITH ALL THE TIME.

HERE ARE THE OTHER ROUTES THAT WE THINK THAT ARE NATURAL FOR THE DEER THAT THEY'RE USING NOW, AND WE THINK THESE ROUTES ARE STILL OPEN FOR THEM.

>> IT'S NOT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, BUT IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT OUR RURAL FENCING STANDARDS, MAYBE CHECK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND SEE IF THEY HAVE PREFERENCE.

IF THEY WANT BIG WALLS BOXING OFF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN I SUPPOSE THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE.

BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER OUR RURAL FENCING STANDARDS TO GIVE IT A MORE RURAL CHARACTER AND THEN ALLOW MORE MOVEMENT OF WILDLIFE.

IT'S YOUR OPTION.

IT'S NOT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THANK YOU.

>> CHRIS, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, JOHN VA?

>> NOT RIGHT NOW. I THINK YOU GUYS CAPTURED MOST OF THEM.

>> THANK YOU. I GUESS JUST TO REITERATE, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN ZONED YEARS AGO, AND THIS WAS A PLAT APPLICATION AND REALLY WE HAVE NO CHANGES TO MAKE IN THE PLATTING.

IT'S JUST THE MODIFICATIONS, EXCEPTIONS, AND WAIVERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION.

>> I'LL GO. IF THIS WERE IN THE CONSERVATION AREA, AND THIS WAS A ZONING APPLICATION AND A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THIS PROPOSAL, THEN I WOULD DENY IT WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT.

BUT IT'S NOT A ZONING APPLICATION.

THE ZONING IS IN PLACE.

IT'S NOT IN THE CONSERVATION AREA.

THE TRUTH IS, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DISCRETION ON THIS.

THE ZONING WAS APPROVED MANY YEARS AGO.

WE HAVE SOME LIMITED DISCRETION OVER THE EXCEPTIONS, NOT EVEN TOTAL DISCRETION THERE.

THE QUESTION WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES IS, SINCE THIS IS ZONED FOR THE STATE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH MEANS ONE ACRE LOTS.

HOW CAN WE GET THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME ON THIS LAND? DOING NOTHING OR PRESERVING IT IN ITS CURRENT STATE IS SIMPLY NOT IN OUR PURVIEW.

IT IS NOT IN OUR LEGAL PURVIEW TO ACCOMPLISH.

THIS APPLICANT IS TREMENDOUSLY BETTER THAN ESTUARY POINT.

ESTUARY POINT DIDN'T WORK WITH US AT ALL.

THEY PROPOSED DRIVEWAYS ON DEER PATH WHERE THE TRAFFIC WAS GOING TO BE A DANGER.

THIS APPLICATION HAS TAKEN CARE OF THAT.

IT PRESERVES THE LAND.

THE EXCEPTIONS DO MORE GOOD THAN HARM, BECAUSE THEY PREVENT GRADING.

IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT DEER PATH, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT HUNDREDS OF DUMP TRUCKS FULL OF FILL WOULD DO TO BRING IN THE DIRT THAT WOULD REQUIRE TO GRADE THIS SO THAT IT SLOPE TOWARDS THE STREET INSTEAD OF DOWN TOWARDS THE LAKE.

AN EXCEPTION LIKE THE SLOPES IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD TYPICALLY BE IN FAVOR OF IN THIS SCENARIO WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY, WHICH THIS SEEMS TO DO.

GIVEN THE LIMITS THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM ESTUARY POINT, THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE HERE, WORKING WITH THIS APPLICANT.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO CONTEMPLATE A SCENARIO WHERE WE WOULD DO BETTER THAN THIS.

IF YOU COULD TAKE THE WALL OUT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER, BUT MAYBE CHECK WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO DO TO MAKE SURE THE NEIGHBORS ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR BRIAN AND LEXIN.

IN A MOTION WE WOULD APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITIONS PROVIDED BY STAFF AND THE SLOPE EXCEPTIONS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IN THE CURRENT EXHIBIT, IS THAT FAIR TO CAPTURE THE CHANGES FROM P&Z TO NOW?

>> DOES THAT CAPTURE P&ZS?

>> YEAH, I THINK BECAUSE THEY SHOWED WHAT WOULD BE IMPACTED FROM P&Z'S RECOMMENDATION AND NOTED WHERE THEY WERE STILL REQUESTING THE EXCEPTION.

YES, IF YOU WANTED TO APPROVE IT BASED ON THE EXHIBIT THEY SHOWED TONIGHT, IT WOULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS

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FROM THE ORIGINAL VERSION THAT STAFF PRESENTED, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY DID CARVE OUT SOME AREAS THAT WERE ACTUALLY WITHIN BUILDABLE LOTS, BUT SAID WE WILL NOT IMPACT THIS.

YES, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, UNDERSTANDING YOUR INTENT.

I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH BRIAN TO ENSURE WE DOCUMENT ALL THAT CORRECTLY IF THAT IS YOUR INTENT.

>> ESSENTIALLY, THAT EXHIBIT COMBINED WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL.

>> GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO CONFORM TO, THAT'S THE MOTION THAT I WOULD SUPPORT.

>> WELL, I ECHO ADAM WHAT YOU SAID, THE LIMITED DISCRETION THAT WE HAVE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR EXCEPTIONS FOR A PLAT.

ADAM, I THINK HE DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING THE SLOPE EXCEPTION.

THE LOT-TO-LOT DRAINAGE IS ANOTHER WHERE, SAME THING, TO GET THAT COMPLIANT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE ALL THE FILTER TO BUILD IT UP.

WE HAVE THE DEPTH-TO-WIDTH RATIO.

THAT'S NOT REALLY THAT BIG OF A DEAL STUFF, NOT CONCERNED WITH THAT.

THEN THE DELAYED VENT OF THOSE LIMITED LOTS THERE ON THE NORTHSIDE.

THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH THE RESIDENTS TO LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS POSSIBLE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I DO LIKE ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IT'S WORKING WITH THE LAND.

IT'S NOT DOING THE CLEAR CUT, THE SCRAPE.

IT'S ADDING VALUE, KEEPING THE TREES, AND WORKING WITH THE LAND INSTEAD OF AGAINST TO TRY TO CRAM EVERYTHING POSSIBLE IN AS SMALL POSSIBLE AREA.

AS ADAM MENTIONED, GIVEN THE LIMITATIONS WE HAVE, I ALSO SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, ADAM.

>> SAME. THIS IS VERY HARD FOR ME.

I'VE BEEN IN YOUR SHOES.

I KNOW WHAT THIS IS LIKE.

PROPERTIES THAT I GREW UP NEXT TO, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.

I KNOW THE PAIN.

I ONLY WISH THAT WE HAD A DEVELOPER WHO WAS WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND THE NEIGHBORS AND THE TOPOGRAPHY AND SAVE ALL THE SPECIMEN TREES.

I THINK THIS IS POSSIBLY THE BEST WE COULD HOPE FOR IF IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.

>> CHRIS, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING OR DO YOU WANT ME TO GO?

>> I JUST WANT TO ADD ON TO THOSE COMMENTS.

I THINK THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR OVER A YEAR, IS WHEN I MET WITH YOU ALL.

THE DEVELOPER HAS TRIED TO WORK A LOT WITH YOU ALL TO TRY AND MAKE THE BEST COMPROMISE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY SEEM TO BE WILLING TO WORK.

I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS AS YOU DEVELOP, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE ISSUES THAT ARISE.

BUT I AGREE THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO WITH WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO BY THE STATE.

>> I GUESS I'LL BRING IT HOME. IT'S A DIFFICULT TOPIC.

IT'S A VERY EMOTIONAL TOPIC, I THINK.

YOUR HOUSE IS YOUR CASTLE, AND YOU LOVE THAT PROPERTY.

I WENT OUT TO VISIT AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I WAS INVITED OUT.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND THE WILDLIFE WAS IMPRESSIVE, AND IT'S PART OF WHAT MAKES FLOWER MOUND REALLY SPECIAL AND UNIQUE.

WE ALSO DO LIVE IN A STATE WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS' RIGHTS ARE IMPORTANT, AND THE STATE DOES TIE OUR HANDS IN SOME WAYS.

WE SAW THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF STRAIGHT ZONING, WHICH HAPPENED LITERALLY YEARS AGO.

I THINK YOUR COUNCIL IS TRYING VERY HARD NEVER TO LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN, AND WE ARE TRYING TO LEARN FROM COUNSEL'S MISSTEPS, WHICH I WOULD CALL IN THE PAST.

IN THE SAME REGARD, WE DO HAVE TO OPERATE IN GOOD FAITH, ABIDING BY THE LAWS OF THE STATE AS WELL AS WE CAN.

IT IS A CONUNDRUM.

I DO SEE BOTH SIDES, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS PUT IN TO TRY TO HEAR THE RESIDENTS AND UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE DEVELOPER WHO APPEARS TO REALLY CARE FOR THE LAND AND CARE FOR FLOWER MOUND, AND IT'D BE GREAT TO SEE YOU AS ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS SOMEDAY.

MAYBE YOU'LL RESERVE A LOT FOR YOURSELF.

BUT I THINK I DO TEND TO AGREE OVERALL WITH THE REST OF THE COUNCIL ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU.

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>> WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> MOVE APPROVAL OF REGULAR ITEM J5 WITH CONDITIONS PROVIDED BY STAFF AND SLOPE EXCEPTIONS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IN THE CURRENT EXHIBIT.

>> TERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IF YOU'LL TAKE THE ROLE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER, WERNER?

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL?

>> MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN?

>> COUNCILMEMBER DREW?

>> COUNCILMEMBER TAYLOR.