Jul 15, 2024 Town Council Archive

>> MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL?

>> AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER DREW?

>> MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR?

>> K1 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2,

[K.2. Trotter Park Master Plan - Public Hearing to consider recommendation and approval of a conceptual master plan for Trotter Park, a 13.11 acre park located at 4551 Cross Timbers Road.]

THE TROTTER PARK MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVAL OF A CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN.

CHUCK JENNINGS, YOU'RE GOING TO REPORT ON THIS?

>> I'M BACK. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS ITEM FORWARD TONIGHT AS A PUBLIC HEARING.

STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH MHS PLANNING AND DESIGN SINCE THEIR CONTRACT WAS APPROVED BACK IN SEPTEMBER.

TONIGHT, DAVID SHIP AND HARMAN DUKE FROM MHS ARE HERE.

I'LL BE CALLING DAVID UP HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.

BUT MHS IS A COMPANY THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH FOR MANY YEARS.

THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF STUFF AT TWIN COAST PARK RELATED TO MASTER PLAN, DESIGN WORK.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY DID THE DESIGN FOR THE TEAL WOOD OAKS PARK IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ALMOST WRAPPED UP.

THEN THEY ALSO ASSISTED A LITTLE BIT WITH THE TENNIS CENTER FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THEY'VE SUBMITTED SOME GRANTS FOR US AND ARE WORKING ON THE GRANT FOR THIS ACTUALLY.

BUT I WANT TO ALSO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

SINCE TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THE PARK IN LATE 2020, THE TOWN HAS MAINTAINED THE AREAS OPEN SPACE, AND LEAVING IT IN ITS NATURAL STATE UNTIL WE CAN GET IT MASTER PLAN.

MASTER PLANS ARE TYPICALLY DEVELOPED ONCE THE TOWN RECEIVES OR PURCHASES PARK LAND AND FUNDING IS ALLOCATED.

MASTER PLANS CAN ALSO BE DONE ON EXISTING PARKS THAT NEED REVITALIZATION,

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WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS IS STARTED FOR LEONARD AND HELEN JOHNS COMMUNITY PARK.

THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS FOR THIS PARK, TROTTER PARK, WAS DELAYED DUE TO THE PARK BEING CONSIDERED AS A POTENTIAL LOCATION FOR A TENNIS CENTER.

BUT WITH THE PROPOSITION A BEING VOTED DOWN IN MAY OF 2023, STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MASTER PLANNING THIS PARK.

THAT BRINGS US HERE TONIGHT.

THIS PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WILL TOUCH ON ALL THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WHICH INCLUDED STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, A SURVEY, A TOWN HALL MEETING, AND ALSO A WORK SESSION AND A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE DID WITH THE PARKS BOARD.

THERE WAS PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT, AND WE ALSO HOSTED A DEDICATED WEB PAGE WHICH KEPT EVERYONE UP TO DATE ON WHAT WAS GOING ON.

BUT I DO WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR INPUT AND FEEDBACK THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AND FOR ATTENDING ALL THOSE MEETINGS AND SENDING US EMAILS.

WE CERTAINLY VALUE THEIR THOUGHTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IS EXTREMELY EXCITED TO HAVE THIS 13 ACRES OF PARKLAND, WHICH IS CONVENIENTLY LOCATED OFF ACROSS TIMBERS ROAD, AND IT'S IN THE CENTRAL PART OF TOWN.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO DEVELOPING A COMMUNITY PARK THAT WILL SERVE OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS FUTURE RESIDENTS.

ONE OF STAFF'S GOALS GOING INTO THIS WAS TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL AND DEVELOP A PLAN THAT WOULD LOCATE COURTS AREAS OF TOWN SO THAT ALL RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY NEAR THEIR HOMES.

AS MENTIONED EARLIER, LEONARD AND HELEN JOHNS PARK IS ANOTHER LOCATION THAT IS CURRENTLY GONE THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS AND IS A PARK WHERE WE WILL LOOK TO EXPAND THESE AMENITIES AS WELL.

AS YOU GUYS SAW IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THE PARKS BOARD RECOMMENDED THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE'RE SHOWING TO YOU TONIGHT.

THEY DID PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A FUTURE ADJUSTMENT TO THE NUMBER OF TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS ON THE FOUR CONCRETE PADS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THE TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL SHOWN.

ONCE IT'S DETERMINED HOW MANY TENNIS COURTS COULD FIT LEONARD AND HELEN JOHNS PARK.

THEN LASTLY, I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, I TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT AGO.

I WANTED TO SHARE THAT EVERYTHING IS MOVING ALONG SMOOTHLY FOR THE TOWN TO SUBMIT FOR THE GRANT APPLICATION THROUGH TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, THE DEADLINES AUGUST 1ST, AND IT'S FOR THAT $750,000 MATCHING GRANT.

WE'VE RECEIVED LOTS OF SUPPORT LETTERS THAT I'M INCLUDING IN THE APPLICATION, AND WE HOPE TO HEAR SOME POSITIVE NEWS COME THIS SPRING.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO NOW INVITE DAVID SHIP FROM MHS TO THE PODIUM.

HE'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, AND OF COURSE, STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT WILL BE READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS DAVID SHIP.

I'M WITH MHS, PLANNING AND DESIGN OF A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND A PARTNER.

BEEN WORKING IN THIS FIELD FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS.

I WANT TO GO OVER THIS PROJECT WITH YOU.

THIS IS TROTTER PARK.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 13 ACRES.

IT'S OFF OF CROSS TIMBERS.

MSH WAS ENGAGED IN THIS PROJECT FALL LAST YEAR.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAD THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.

WE STARTED IN SEPTEMBER OF 28, AND OUR LAST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WAS IN JUNE 4TH.

SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD FROM THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS BACK IN NOVEMBER IN 28 AND 29 WAS SOME OF THE NEEDS IDENTIFIED CONCESSIONS, DRINKING FOUNTAINS, FITNESS EQUIPMENT, FOOD TRUCK CONNECTIONS, LANDSCAPING, MINIMAL PARKING, MUSIC OPPORTUNITIES, OPEN LAWN, PAVILION, PLAYGROUNDS, PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS COURTS, PICNIC NODES, POND, RESTROOM, SHADE, SIGNAGE, TRAILS, AND UNIQUE PARK ELEMENTS.

AS SOME OF THE PARTICIPANTS THAT WERE INCLUDED AS WELL, SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, AS YOU SEE THAT SOME OF THE USA PICKLE FLOWER MOUND YOUTH ACTION COMMITTEE, AND SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS.

THE TOWN MEETING, THAT WAS BACK IN JANUARY 9.

SOME OF THE NEEDS IDENTIFIED FROM THAT, AGAIN, CARRYING ON FROM THE PUBLIC INPUT WAS DEDICATED AREAS TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO ENJOY, SUCH AS TRAILS, PLAYGROUND, SHADES, RESTROOM, ET CETERA.

SHOWCASE OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT WITH ELEMENTS SUCH AS NATIVE PLANTINGS, NATURAL PATHS, AND INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE, DEDICATED SPACE FOR PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS, ONCE AGAIN, OPPORTUNITIES FOR BIKING, A SAFE AND FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES.

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THIS WAS FROM THE ONLINE SURVEY.

I BELIEVE THERE WAS ALMOST 350 RESPONSES FROM THIS.

THESE ARE THE TOP 5 RESPONSES FROM THE ONLINE SURVEY.

THIS ONE OUT AND I BELIEVE IT IS THE WATER BILL.

SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU CAN SEE ON HERE, TRAIL, SPORTS COURTS, PLAYGROUND, SPLASH PAD, FITNESS EQUIPMENT.

SOME OF THE PASSIVE RECREATION ELEMENTS, REST ROOMS, PAVILIONS, BENCHES, TREE PLANTINGS, AND DRINKING FOUNTAINS.

AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCORPORATED, SPORTS COURTS, TENS BALL, PICKLE, AND SOCCER.

BIKING FACILITY WAS ALSO ANOTHER REQUEST AT THAT TIME.

NATURE AREAS, AGAIN, CAME TO THE SURFACE AS ONE OF THE TOP 5 ASK AND THEN THE HIKING TRAILS AND LANDSCAPING.

SOME OF THE SPECIFIC EVENTS OR ACTIVITIES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE RECREATIONAL SPORTS, COMMUNITY GATHERING, SPECIAL EVENTS, FACILITY RENTALS, FAMILY PROGRAMS, AND FITNESS CLASSES.

NUMBER 4, WHAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN THE DESIGN OF TROTTER PARK? QUALITY OF AMENITIES AND OPPORTUNITIES, QUALITY OF DESIGN, MAINTENANCE, SUSTAINABILITY, AND SAFETY.

THERE'S SOME OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS INFORMATION HERE.

FROM THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, I BELIEVE THAT WAS IN STUDY IN 2018.

THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE CALLING FOR THIS PARTICULAR NEED RIGHT NOW.

THE NEED RIGHT NOW, 2024 IS NINE TENNIS COURTS AND SEVEN PICKLEBALL COURTS.

THAT GOES DOWN TO 2038 AS WELL FOR 13 AND 10.

THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD FULFILL TWO TENNIS COURTS AND EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS.

THIS IS FROM LAST YEAR, THIS IS SOME OF THE EXISTING PHOTOGRAPHY FROM MARK TWAIN, WHICH IS THE INNER LOOP ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL.

YOU CAN SEE UP ON THE FOURTH ONE DOWN TO THE RIGHT, THAT IS THAT EXISTING BERM THAT DOES PROVIDE SOME LIMITED SHADE OR SOME LIMITED BUFFERING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND THE PARK ITSELF.

THIS IS A SURFACE AREA, THIS IS A THREE-MILE RADIUS IN THE CENTER IS THE TROTTER PARK.

THIS IS A ANALYSIS OF THE TOPOGRAPHY ON SITE.

ROUGHLY YOU HAVE ABOUT A 15 FEET OF ELEVATION GRADE CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

NEXT TO THE CHURCH, GOING TOWARDS THE WEST, IT'S ROUGHLY 15 FEET AND DROP.

THIS WAS A SITE ANALYSIS SHOWING SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE SITE.

YOU CAN SEE TOWARDS MARK TWAIN, WE ALREADY HAD AN EXISTING SCREENING BERM AS WELL AS TREES.

THE INTENT WAS ALWAYS TO LEAVE THAT IN PLACE.

YOU CAN SEE TOWARDS THE WEST ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL ON TAN DRIVE ALONG WITH THE SCHOOL AS WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL BUFFERING BETWEEN THOSE AREAS, THE TWO DIFFERENT USES.

ACROSS TIMBERS ON THE TOP SIDE OF THAT, YOU HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SLOPE, ALMOST ABOUT 8-10 FOOT DIFFERENTIAL IN SLOPE RIGHT THERE.

THAT WAS A STEEP SLOPE, THAT WAS NOT REALLY DEVELOPABLE.

THAT WAS GOING TO BE AN AREA THAT WE WERE GOING TO RETAIN THE NATIVE PLANNINGS THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING ON SITE RIGHT NOW.

AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING AREA, THAT WAS IN THE UPPER SIDE OF THE PARK.

THAT WAS IT FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT LOCATION TO BEGIN THE PARKING, AND SO THAT DIDN'T REMAIN THROUGH ALL THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS THAT YOU WILL SEE TONIGHT.

THIS WAS FROM OUR LAST PUBLIC INPUT MEETING.

THIS WAS FROM THE LEE FAMILY.

THIS WAS A BROTHER AND SISTER.

THEY ALSO CAME UP AND TALKED TO THE PARKS BOARD, WHICH WAS QUITE A FEW PEOPLE CAME UP, QUITE A FEW CHILDREN CAME UP AND PROVIDED THEIR WISHES AND SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

THIS IS A GRAPHIC EXAMPLE OF THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS.

YOU WILL SEE SOME OF THESE COMPONENTS AND ELEMENTS ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PARK AS WE HAVE THEM NOW.

THESE ARE EARLY CONCEPTUAL SCHEMATICS THAT WE HAD THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, THE ONE OF THE UPPER AND THE ONES ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE WERE SOME OF THE EARLY CONCEPTUALS THAT WE HAD THAT WERE PRESENTED, AND WE WENT BACK AND REVISED FROM THAT.

THE THIRD ONE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE WAS ACCUMULATION OF THE TWO ON THE LEFT.

SO THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD RIGHT THERE.

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THAT WAS THAT LAST IMAGE THAT WENT TO PARK BOARD BACK, NOT LAST MONTH, BUT THE MONTH BEFORE LAST.

THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE IS THE REVISED MASTER PLAN FOR TROTTER PARK FROM THE LAST PUBLIC INPUT ENGAGEMENT.

WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THIS IS OVERALL ACRES 13.1, I BELIEVE.

WE HAVE TWO TENNIS COURTS PROPOSED, EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS.

WE HAVE A PARKING AREA.

WE HAVE THE EXTERNAL LOOP TRAIL IS THAT IS ONE-HALF MILE.

THAT DOES HAVE A SOFT SIDED TRAIL ADJACENT TO IT.

THAT WAS A NEED THAT BECAME AVAILABLE OR BECAME APPARENT THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMUNITY ACTIVITY, AND THAT WAS INCLUDED, SO THAT IS PART OF THAT HALF-MILE LOOP.

WE HAVE THE PARKING AREA THAT WILL FACILITATE THE SPORTS COURTS, ALONG WITH THE PLAYGROUND AND OTHER PASSIVE AND ACTIVE RECREATION AREAS.

I ALSO DIDN'T MENTION THE BASKETBALL COURT, YOU CAN SEE THAT TO THE RIGHT OVER THERE CLOSER TO CROSS TIMBERS ROAD ITSELF.

WE HAVE A PLAZA AREA THAT OVERLOOKS WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT A DESIGN TEAM OF GREAT LAWN.

THAT'S A NICE VISTA ALL THE WAY DOWN TOWARDS THE WEST.

WE HAVE CONCEPTUALLY INCLUDED A LARGER PLAYGROUND THAT WOULD BE INCLUSIVE, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THAT YOU WOULD SEE AT SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, A LARGER STRUCTURE.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME SHADING AREA, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THESE ARE THE CONCEPTUAL AFTER THESE SLIDES HERE IN JUST A MOMENT, OF FABRIC STRUCTURES TO CREATE SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTERESTS FROM A VERTICAL STRUCTURE.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE RESTROOM FACILITY TOWARDS THE RIGHT OF THE PLAZA AREA.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO START TO BUFFER OR AT LEAST SHOW THAT FROM A CONCEPTUAL STANDPOINT, SOME OF THE TREE GROUPINGS.

YOU CAN SEE THE NATIVE PLANTING THAT I HAD MENTIONED ALONG CROSS TIMBERS.

AGAIN, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE TO DISTURB THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PRESERVE MUCH OF THE NATIVE PLANTING ON-SITE AS WE CAN.

OF COURSE, WE HAVE A DETENTION POND.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH AND UNDERSTOOD IF THIS IS A REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW.

ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING WILL HAVE TO TAKE PLACE.

BUT IF A DETENTION POND IS REQUIRED, THAT'S THE LOCATION, WHETHER IT BE WET OR DRY, THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED AT A LATER TIME ONCE WE HAVE HYDRAULIC INFORMATION TO DETERMINE THAT.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONCEPTUAL IMAGES THAT WE HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH THE 2D MASTER PLAN YOU DISSOLVED.

THIS IS THE LARGE PLAZA AREA COMING OFF OF THE PARKING LOT ENTRYWAY.

YOU CAN SEE TO THE REAR OF THAT SIDE.

THAT IS THE PROPOSED RESTROOM BUILDING.

THE STEPS OVERLOOK THE LARGER LAWN DIRECTIONAL TO THE WEST, CAN SEE THE DETENTION POND.

THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL OF THE RESTROOM BUILDING HERE ADJACENT TO THE PLAZA, JUST A DIFFERENT VIEW.

THIS IS THE SPORTS COURTS, AS FAR AS THE TWO TENNIS COURTS AND THE EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS.

YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS SHADING ADJACENT TO EACH COURTS FOR PLAYERS.

THERE ARE ALSO SOMEWHAT OF A TERRACE SCENARIO.

AS WE'RE GOING WORKING ON AGAINST THAT 15-FEET OF GRADE ACROSS THE SITE, YOU'LL SEE THOSE RETAINING WALLS AS WELL.

THE LARGER STRUCTURE BETWEEN THE COURTS, THAT'S A STRUCTURE THAT WOULD SERVE THOSE PLAYERS, THAT COULD BE FOR ACTIVITIES OR TOURNAMENTS, SOME OF A LARGER SCALE AREA RIGHT THERE, BUT A LARGER PAVILION.

YOU CAN SEE THE LOOP TRAIL.

YOU CAN START TO SEE THE DIFFERENT COLORATIONS ON THE CONCRETE TRAIL VERSUS A SOFT-SIDED TRAIL TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE FOUR CARTS.

THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CLOSE UP, STARTING TO SHOW SOME OF THE POTENTIAL AMENITIES THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN HERE.

AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A COUNTRY CLUB ABILITIES WITH SOME OF THE SEATING NODES TO ALLOW THAT CUSTOM AESTHETICS.

THIS IS TOWARDS THE WEST OF THE PARK IN THAT SHOWN AS A ATTENTION POND, A WET ATTENTION POND FOR THIS TIME, AND JUST MORE OF A PASSIVE AREA CREATING THAT BUFFER ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES TO THE WEST.

THIS IS A SECTION VIEW.

THIS IS MARK TWAIN.

THIS IS THE SOUTHERN STREET THAT ADJOINS THE PARK.

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THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING BERM THAT WOULD STAY IN PLACE ALONG WITH A PROFILE OF THE SOFT-SIDED TRAIL AND CONCRETE TRAIL.

THERE IS A FEW STOCK IMAGES OF WHAT THE PLAYGROUND COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE ALONG WITH SOME OF THE NATIVE PLANNING TYPE MATERIAL THAT WE WOULD ENVISION IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

THIS IS THE SAME PLAN HERE.

CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR?

>> GOOD. THANK YOU. VERY INTERESTING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT PRIOR TO TONIGHT WERE THE TENNIS COURTS AND I HAD HOPED THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE THAN TWO.

I WONDERED IN THE PRESENTATION, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'LL BE TIERED WITH RETAINING WALLS SO THE TOPOGRAPHY.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO MOVE THOSE TWO CLOSER TOGETHER SO YOU CAN HAVE ONE MORE IN THERE? I JUST THINK THREE WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER THAN TWO.

>> YES, MA'AM. WE CAN WE COULD FIT FIVE IN THERE IF THAT WAS THE TOWN WANTED TO DO THAT.

YES, MA'AM. WE COULD DO THAT. IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER.

>> WELL, FIVE WOULD BE PROBABLY TOO MANY, BUT AT LEAST THREE, I THINK.

>> WELL, WHAT I MEANT BY THAT, FIVE COURTS.

>> FIVE COURT SPACES, SO YOU COULD PROBABLY DO THREE TENNIS COURTS.

>> YES, MA'AM. I BELIEVE SO.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT THAT, BUT WHY NOT THREE, WE ARE UNDERSERVICED FOR COURTS IN TOWN.

I UNDERSTAND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE OTHER PARK, BUT I STILL THINK THREE WOULD BE BETTER THAN TWO.

THEN THE OTHER THING I NOTICED WAS THAT THE TRAIL IS 16 FEET WIDE.

OUR TRAIL MASTER PLAN WAS RECOMMENDING 12, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE VERSUS THE CONCRETE, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE TAKING UP A LOT OF FOOTPRINT WITH 16 FEET.

>> I CAN SPEAK TO THE SOFT-SIDED TRAIL.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL COACHES THAT CAME IN FROM FLOWER MOUNT AND SPOKE ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S NOT A SOFT-SIDED TRAIL THAT I'M AWARE OF AND THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO THAT.

>> WELL, I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THE COMPOSITION OF THE PATH.

IT'S JUST THE WIDTH.

IT'S A HUGE FOOTPRINT.

>> THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EASILY ADJUST AS WELL.

I THINK THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS, WE CAN MAKE THAT AN EIGHT-FOOT CONCRETE TRAIL.

WE CAN SHRINK THAT DOWN AND THEN KEEP THE SIX-FOOT DECOMPOSED GRANITE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 10.

>> HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT THAT?

>> BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THE PARK.

>> WE COULD TAKE THE CONCRETE THAT WE SAVE AND USE IT FOR THAT EXTRA COURT.

>> ACTUALLY, I THINK BOTH OF THESE ARE GREAT IDEAS.

IN FACT, WHEN YOU WERE SHOWING THE PICTURE OF THE COURSE, I WAS THINKING THAT, DON'T YOU USUALLY GET TWO COURTS SIDE BY SIDE IN A TYPICAL-

>> THIS HAS A LOT OF GRADE IN IT, SIR, SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO WANT TO TERRAS.

>> THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO TERRAS THOSE.

>> WELL, I THINK IN THE MASTER PLAN THOUGH, DIDN'T WE WANT THE WIDER TRAILS?

>> THE CYCLING IS FOR 12 FOOT TRAILS IDEALLY.

THIS IS 16.

>> THIS IS WITHIN THE PARK AS WELL, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM.

IT'S CONFINED TO WITHIN THE PARK.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE IT DIFFERENT SIZES IF WE WANT.

>> IF WE DO THIS MASTER PLAN FOR THE PARK, DO WE BUILD THAT FLEXIBILITY IN FOR WHEN THE PARK IS BEING DESIGNED TO SEE WHAT THE FIVE-COURT LAYOUT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND HOW THAT SPACE WOULD BE WITH THE TERRACE, AND LOOK AT THE REDUCED WIDTH OF THE CONCRETE AND THE DECOMPOSED PATHS.

OR DO WE HAVE TO BE PRESCRIPTIVE AND SAY IT SHALL BE FIVE COURTS, AND IT SHALL BE THIS WIDE?

>> WELL, THE MORE SPECIFIC YOU CAN GIVE THE DESIGNER, IT'S ALWAYS EASIER FOR US.

THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

>> I LIKE BOTH OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I THINK THE NARROWER PATH, IT SEEMS LIKE 16 FEET IS A BIT EXCESSIVE.

YOU COULD ALMOST DO SIX AND SIX.

FIVE COURTS INSTEAD OF FOUR MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME, TO BETTER UTILIZE THE SPACE.

NOW, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION TO THE PARKS BOARD, NOT THE ONE WE JUST HAD BUT THE ONE BEFORE THAT.

THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED ABOUT MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO USE THE COURTS FOR A SINGLE USE, MEANING JUST TENNIS, OR JUST PICKLEBALL, SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE MORE OF THAT ONE USE AND HAVE MORE OF A CRITICAL MASS, AND GET MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE FOR THAT PURPOSE.

THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER PART WHERE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PLAN FOR IN THE FUTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE TENNIS-ORIENTED.

WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT OR THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU GOT FROM THE PARKS BOARD THIS LAST TIME REGARDING JUST HAVING PICKLEBALL HERE INSTEAD OF A MIXTURE?

>> GO AHEAD, CHUCK. I HATE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

>> THERE ARE FOLKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CAMP.

I THINK THERE ARE FOLKS THAT WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS ALL BE PICKLEBALL, AND HAVE A MASSIVE PICKLEBALL CENTER WHERE YOU CAN HAVE GREAT TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND TRY TO GET ALL THE TENNIS OVER AT LEONARD AND HELEN JOHNS.

WE DO HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS OVER AT LEONARD AND HELEN JOHNS, WITH THE FLOODPLAIN, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BEING STUDIED RIGHT NOW,

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AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE PRETTY SOON ON HOW MUCH WE COULD PUT THERE IN TENNIS COURTS.

POTENTIALLY COULD TAKE UP MORE SPACE THAN PICKLEBALL COURTS.

WE COULD MAYBE FIT THOSE IN SMALLER AREAS, WITH JUST SINGLE COURTS.

BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE'S FOLKS THAT WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT ALL PICKLEBALL.

THERE'S FOLKS THAT WE HEARD THAT WOULD LOVE SOME TENNIS AND SOME PICKLEBALL.

LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR GOAL WAS TO TRY TO PLACE SOME IN CENTRAL, SOME IN THE EAST, AND THEN EVENTUALLY OUT WEST, GIVING EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE IT CLOSER TO THEIR HOME.

ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR GUYS' CALL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT CALL TONIGHT ON NUMBER OF COURTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT I KNOW WHERE WE ARE.

>> I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARKS BOARD WITH THE MODIFICATIONS FROM THE MAYOR PRO TEM.

IF WE DOWN THE ROAD DECIDED, "OH, LEONARD AND HELEN JOHNS HAS ALL THESE TENNIS COURTS, AND IT'S REALLY GREAT.," COULD WE RECONFIGURE THESE COURTS AND RETHINK HOW WE'RE DOING THIS, WITHOUT MAKING A LOT OF, JUST BASICALLY PAINT THEM?

>> YES, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IT.

THERE'LL BE SOME ADDITIONAL EXPENSE TO IT, BUT BASICALLY YOU'RE FITTING IT ON ROUGHLY THE SIMILAR SIZE CONCRETE PAD.

>> WE CAN CHANGE OUR MIND DOWN THE ROAD IF IT COMES DOWN TO THAT? GREAT. THANK YOU.

>> NOW, THERE WAS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE DRINKING FOUNTAINS, CORRECT?

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> ON THE PLAN. WHERE ARE THOSE?

>> AT THIS LEVEL WE'RE NOT SHOWING THAT, BUT WE WOULD HAVE DRINKING FOUNTAIN.

>> HOW MANY ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING IN THERE?

>> WE WOULD AT LEAST HAVE ONE OVER THERE BY THE RESTROOM BUILDING. AT A MINIMUM, ONE.

>> IT WOULD SEEM LIKE WE WOULD NEED A COUPLE.

>> WE'LL PROBABLY NEED SOME DRUG FILLERS OVER THERE BY THE COURTS AS WELL.

>> BE SIMILAR TO PROBABLY WHAT WE SAW.

>> WE CAN ADD THAT.

>> ALL IS WHERE WE HAVE TWO DRINKING FOUNTAINS AND A FILLER [INAUDIBLE]?

>> PERFECT.

>> I HAD A QUESTION ON SLIDE 6, THE TOTAL DEMAND.

WAS THAT THE TOTAL DEMAND THAT WE NEED NOW, OR IS THAT THE TOTAL DEMAND FOR THE WHOLE TOWN? BUT SAYING NINE TENNIS COURTS, IS THAT INCLUDING WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW?

>> THAT'S HOW MANY WE NEED TO MEET THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

>> JUST THINKING OF WAYS.

>> CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE.

>> THEN WHEN WE CONSIDER THE LAYOUT, WE TRY AND AVOID ANY TREES AND SPECIMEN TREES.

>> THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPECIMEN TREES OUT THERE.

THERE IS ONE TREE THAT IS PRETTY LARGE, AND WE ARE KEEPING THAT.

THE OTHER ONES WE'RE GOING TO DO A SITE ASSESSMENT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION TO FLAG THOSE TREES AND TRY TO KEEP WHAT WE CAN.

THE COMMUNITY DOES QUITE A FEW ACTIVITIES OUT THERE, AND THEY LIKE THAT AREA, AND WE DON'T WANT TO DISTURB THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

>> IT'S A NICE LITTLE AREA.

I THINK WE'RE PRESERVING A LOT OF THE NATURAL AREA ALONG THE ROAD, MOST OF IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF TREES EXCEPT ALONG THAT ROAD, WHICH IS GREAT.

THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE, WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT?

>> IT'S BETTER FOR RUNNERS.

>> IS THERE ANY ADVANTAGE OF JUST GOING ALL DECOMPOSED GRANITE?

>> I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT.

I'D RECOMMEND SIMILAR TO, I THINK CAPEL HAS GOT ONE THAT THEY DO.

IT'S VERY POPULAR.

THIS IS A REQUEST THAT WE GET A LOT, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE A HALF MILE, SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW IT'S A HALF MILE.

A LOT OF RUNNERS WOULD LOVE TO GO AND TRAIN ON THAT.

IT'S ALSO IN OUR TRAILS AND BIKEWAYS MASTER PLAN.

IT TALKS ABOUT SOFT SURFA TRAILS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE MENTIONED WAS, WHEN WE DO NEW PARK, THAT'S THE BEST TIME TO PUT THESE IN, BECAUSE IT CAN BE DESIGNED CORRECTLY. IT'S BETTER.

IF WE GET IT DESIGNED RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, AND DO IT CORRECTLY, THEN THE MAINTENANCE OF IT'S A LOT EASIER THAN TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING IN AFTER THE FACT.

>> SINCE WE'RE ON THE SLIDE, IT SHOWS THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE ON THE OUTSIDE.

THAT WOULD BE THE SLOWER-MOVING LANE.

DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE IT ON THE RIGHT LIKE IT IS IN DRIVING TRAFFIC? IS THAT HOW YOU WOULD DO IT, OR YOU WOULD HAVE THE BIKES CROSSING OVER AT SOME POINT?

>> THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS AND SEE WHAT'S TYPICAL. WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE.

>> BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MIX BICYCLES GOING FAST AND PEDESTRIANS, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN.

>> I'LL MENTION THAT JUST FOR A MOMENT.

WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT, WHERE THEY DO INTERSECT.

THERE IS SOME MORE ADDITIONAL DESIGN WE NEED TO WORK OUT AS FAR AS POTENTIALLY SLOWING DOWN THAT TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE COACH ON THAT.

MY DAUGHTER HAD STRESS FRACTURE FROM RUNNING ON CONCRETE WHEN SHE WAS DOING CROSS COUNTRY, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF THAT TRAIL OUT THERE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

LOVE THE NATIVE PLANTING CONCEPT THAT YOU SHOWED, ESPECIALLY YOUR EXAMPLE.

I HOPE THAT'S IMPLEMENTED.

I LOVE THAT IDEA.

I WATCHED THE PARKS BOARD MEETING AND LISTEN TO THE PUMP TRACK PEOPLE,

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AND I WAS ROOTING FOR THEM HONESTLY.

HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET THAT IN A PARK, AS CHUCK, YOU MENTIONED, THAT IT WOULD BE NEXT TO PROBABLY CORPS OF ENGINEER TRAIL ALREADY, THAT HAS BIKE CAPABILITY.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PLAN.

HOPE IT COMES SOON. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> NO, I THINK THE PROPOSED CHANGES FROM ANN SOUND GREAT.

I THINK A LOT OF HARD WORK HAS GONE INTO THIS.

I THINK A LOT OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK WAS RECEIVED, WAS INCORPORATED.

AS OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, MAINTAINING THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, KEEPING THE TREES.

THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE LAND THAT WE HAVE TO BRING THESE AMENITIES OVER TO THIS AREA, I THINK ARE GREAT, AND JOB WELL DONE.

>> I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR CHUCK.

CHUCK, YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS A BOND ELECTION REGARDING A TENNIS CENTER, AND THAT BOND ELECTION WOULD HAVE ALLOWED PROPERTY TAX TO FUND THIS TENNIS FACILITY, AND IT FAILED.

SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I'VE SEEN IS THAT FOLKS ARE SAYING, "WELL, IF THAT FAILED, WHY ARE WE GOING TO INVEST IN THIS PROJECT WITH TENNIS COURTS?" CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW WE PAY FOR THIS?

>> I THINK WITH THIS ONE WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO, A, IS HOPEFULLY GET THAT GRANT, SO THAT'LL HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THIS.

THEN A LOT OF WHAT I'M PROPOSING IN THE FIVE-YEAR CIP WAS TO UTILIZE PARK DEVELOPMENT FUNDS THAT WE HAVE. WHAT ARE THOSE? THAT'S BASED ON NEW DEVELOPMENTS MOVING IN TOWN, AND EACH TIME THEY BUILD A HOUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY AS 1,388, 1,388 PER HOME.

THAT'S BUILT UP OVER THE YEARS, AND WE HAVE FUNDING IN THAT, AS WELL AS 4B SALES TAX, IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

THERE'S FUND BALANCE IN BOTH OF THOSE TO HELP COVER THE COST.

>> CAN EITHER OF THOSE FUNDING SOURCES BE USED FOR NON-PARKS? NO.

>> SO WE'RE OBLIGATED TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON PARKS.

WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO SPEND PROPERTY TAX, AD VALOREM TAX, ON THIS PROJECT WHEN WE HAVE THESE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE EARMARKED FOR PARKS?

>> CURRENTLY THAT'S HOW I'VE PUT IT FORWARD TO TRY TO FUND THAT.

>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

>> THE GRANT APPLICATION TOO, $750,000 OF GRANT MONEY.

I THINK ALSO TO THAT POINT, ADAM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT THE DESIGN OF THIS IS SO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS DEFEATED IN THE BOND ELECTION.

THAT WAS A DEDICATED TENNIS CENTER CAPABLE OF TOURNAMENTS, AND IT WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THIS. BUT THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP BEING [INAUDIBLE]

>> I AGREE, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.

BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE FUNDING SOURCES FOR PARKS THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR, AND IT'S MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE FROM THE BOND ELECTION THAT WAS REALLY ABOUT PROPERTY TAX, AD VALOREM TAX.

>> IT'S HONORING WHAT THE TENNIS PLAYERS WANT AND HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR, BUT YET RESPECTING THE OUTCOME OF THE BOND ELECTION I THINK.

>> GOOD JOB OVERALL. APPRECIATE WORK.

>> IF THERE'S NOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS UP.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE? WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH SCOTT LANGLEY.

YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> SCOTT LANGLEY, 800 CARTER COURT.

ABOUT THE TRAIL, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT INSTEAD OF DOING A SIX AND SIX, I THINK AN EIGHT-PAVED AND A FOUR NON-PAVED GRAVEL, WHATEVER IT IS, CRUSHED GRANITE, WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION.

I DO THINK ON THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WE SHOULD LOOK AT A MINIMUM OF 12.

THE REASON I SAY THAT IS IF YOU EVER GO OUT TO UNITY PARK IN HIGHLAND VILLAGE, WHICH IS MUCH LESS POPULATED THAN FLOWER MOUND, AND GETS A LOT OF FLOWER MOUND REFUGEES, I'LL ADMIT THAT.

BUT YOU GO OUT TO UNITY PARK, AND IT'S JUST CROWDED, AND IT CAN BE 100 DEGREES AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE.

I THINK IF WE START WITH EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS HERE, WE'RE ALREADY BEHIND, AND PEOPLE WILL BE LIKE, "WHY DIDN'T THEY DO MORE?" YOU DON'T WANT THAT FAILURE ON YOU.

I WILL SAY THAT PICKLEBALL IS A BRING-MASS, CRITICAL-MASS TYPE SPORT.

YOU DON'T HAVE DISC GOLF SPREAD OUT AROUND TOWN.

YOU DON'T HAVE BAKERSFIELD PARK, YOU DON'T HAVE BASEBALL DIAMONDS SPREAD OUT AROUND TOWN.

YOU HAVE THESE THINGS TOGETHER, YOU BRING MASS AND IT MAKES IT MORE CONDUCIVE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE PLAYING PICKLEBALL IN ONE SPOT, AND YOU CAN HAVE PICK UP AND YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE RESERVING.

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YOU CAN HAVE SOME COURTS WHERE THEY RESERVE THEM, YOU CAN HAVE COURTS WHERE PEOPLE PLAY PICK UP, BUT YOU HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER AND IT BRINGS PEOPLE OUT IN MASS.

THE COURTS THAT WE HAVE LIKE SAY AT GLENWICK PARK TODAY, YOU CAN RESERVE THEM, BUT IF YOU GO OUT THERE, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S NOBODY THERE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT KNOWN AS A PLACE WHERE PICKLEBALL PEOPLE JUST COME AND YOU HAVE THAT CRITICAL MASS.

IF YOU HAVE THIS IDYLLIC IDEA THAT WE SHOULD SPREAD PICKLEBALL COURTS AROUND TOWN BECAUSE WE GREW UP IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE WAS A TENNIS COURT AROUND THE CORNER, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, AND IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY FOR TENNIS EITHER.

THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY WE WOULD REALLY BE BEST SERVED BY HAVING 12 PICKLEBALL COURTS AT A MINIMUM AT TROTTER PARK.

THEN WHEN WE DO THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE AT LEONARD AND HELEN JOHNS PARK, THAT WE REALLY TRY TO KNOCK IT OUT OF THE PARK AS FAR AS GETTING AS MANY TENNIS COURTS SET UP THERE AS POSSIBLE.

I'VE SAT ON MARK TWAIN BOULEVARD, IF THERE'S ANY CONCERN ABOUT NOISE.

I KNOW THIS CAME UP A LITTLE BIT IN PARKS BOARD.

I SAT OUT AT MARK TWAIN BOULEVARD, I SAT IN MY CAR.

I TRIED TO LISTEN TO CARS GO BY ON CROSS TIMBERS ROAD.

I CAN BARELY HEAR HIM.

WHETHER THE CARS ARE GOING TO BE LOUDER THAN THE PICKLEBALL GETTING HIT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I JUST WILL SAY THAT THAT'S A LOT OF DISTANCE.

YOU CAN'T REALLY GET AN IDEA FROM LOOKING AT THIS MAP, AND I'M OUT OF TIME, SO THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU, SCOTT.

WE HAVE NANCY KLECKNER.

>> GOOD EVENING, NANCY KLECKNER.

I'M AT 1801 RUE DE ISABEL.

I WAS THE CO-FOUNDER OF THE FLOWER MOUND TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL ASSOCIATION, ORIGINALLY JUST THE TENNIS ASSOCIATION.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME THROUGH I GUESS MY FOURTH MAYOR NOW.

STARTED WITH, OH GOSH, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.

THIS IS GREAT.

I LOVE SEEING IT ALL COME TOGETHER.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH SCOTT THOUGH.

IF YOU PUT TWO TENNIS COURTS HERE, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO PLAY.

THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THESE TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS BE USED ARE THE PEOPLE THAT PLAY IN THE LEAGUES, THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO PICKLEBALL OPEN PLAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU SHOW UP WITHOUT A PARTNER, AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT EASILY ON EIGHT COURTS.

EIGHT COURTS IS HARDLY ANYTHING.

SO YOU NEED MORE COURTS FOR PICKLEBALL.

TENNIS, TWO COURTS, AGAIN, YOU CAN'T HAVE A LEAGUE.

YOU CAN'T PLAY A LEAGUE THERE.

IF YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO MONETIZE THESE COURTS, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WANT TO BRING REVENUE INTO TOWN, YOU WANT TO BRING PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SPEND THEIR MONEY INTO TOWN, YOU NEED TOURNAMENTS.

THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO HAVE A LARGER FACILITY AND MORE COURTS.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE 12-16 PICKLEBALL COURTS.

YOU CAN RUN GREAT TOURNAMENTS THERE.

YOU CAN ALSO HAVE REALLY GREAT EVENTS.

THEN FOR TENNIS, SAME THING.

YOU NEED FOUR OR FIVE TENNIS COURTS IN ONE LOCATION TO BE ABLE TO DO, PLUS BATHROOMS, TO BE ABLE TO DO LEAGUES.

YOU NEED 12 FOR A TOURNAMENT.

SEPARATING THEM OUT, WHILE IT'S GREAT.

I KNOW EVERYBODY THINKS WE GOT TO HAVE MORE TENNIS COURTS, WE DO, BUT JUST LIKE SCOTT SAID, THEY NEED TO BE IN THE SAME AREA.

IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE A WASTE TO PUT THEM HERE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE KATHY BLAIR NEXT.

AGAIN, REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> KATHY BLAIR, 5113 FOREST HILL DRIVE.

THIS LOOKS GREAT. ACTUALLY I DIDN'T COME TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THAT.

WHAT I CAME TO COMMENT ON WAS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY'S TALKED ABOUT, AND THAT'S LIGHT POLLUTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT AT ONE POINT, FLOWER MOUND ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT BEING DARK SKY.

WELL, THIS AIN'T GOING TO MAKE IT [LAUGHTER] ANY CLOSER.

BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THESE COURTS WERE LIT IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE LIGHTING DOES NOT EXTEND OUT, AND DOES DEFINITELY NOT EXTEND UP.

I'M STILL MIFFED ABOUT THE FACT THAT I CAN'T WATCH STARS ANYMORE OUT WHERE I AM, AND THIS WOULD MAKE IT EVEN WORSE.

BUT IT'S TIME WE HAD PICKLEBALL COURTS.

I'M IN FAVOR OF ALL THIS, BUT I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE THE LIGHT CONTAINED, AND MAINTAINED DOWNWARD AND CONDENSED ONTO THE COURTS,

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AND NOTHING GOING UP.

KEEP IT LEVEL ENOUGH TO WHERE IT'S NOT SO HIGH THAT EVERYBODY IN TOWN SEES IT.

PEOPLE THERE NEED TO BE LIT, BUT NOTHING ELSE.

I WISH YOU WOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND.

WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE LIGHT POLLUTION OUT THERE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT CARD FROM CATHY [INAUDIBLE]

>> I KNOW I BOTCHED THAT. IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> CARTHY NASRMAN, 5316 PARK RIDGE ROAD.

I JUST LIKE TO REMIND WHAT THAT ELECTION WAS ABOUT.

I THINK ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WAS LESS ABOUT TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL, AND MORE ABOUT THE RESIDENTS OF FLOWER MOUND GETTING THEIR PROPERTY TAXES RAISED.

I THINK IF THERE WAS A BETTER FUNDING SOLUTION, AS A REMINDER OF THE PERCENTAGE, 7,800 PEOPLE VOTED, 54 PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST IT, WHICH THIS IS NOT A LANDSLIDE VICTORY FOR IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, I THINK IT WAS 16 PICKLEBALL COURTS AND 12 TENNIS COURTS.

I LOOK AT THIS NOW AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THE AMOUNT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF SPEND AND EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE UNHAPPY.

IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE SOMETHING THAT IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL IN CONCEPT, BUT WE HAVE A DEFICIT IN THE NUMBER OF TENNIS COURTS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ALSO STILL HAVE A DEMAND FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS TO STILL BE THERE.

THE EXPLORATION THAT I'VE ASKED THE PARK TEAM TO DO IS, FIND ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE AROUND DETENTION POND AS A DRAINAGE SOLUTION FOR THAT CIVIL ENGINEERING PROBLEM.

IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY AROUND IT? IS THERE ANY OTHER MATERIAL THAT CAN BE USED? THAT COULD MAYBE USE SOME MORE OF THE OPEN-SPACE AND REPURPOSE THAT FOR TENNIS.

BASKETBALL, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT COURT IS COMING FROM.

I THINK BASKETBALL IS BETTER PLAYED AT THE CAC AS OPPOSED TO AN OUTDOOR FACILITY.

I ALSO QUESTION THE UTILITY OF THAT SPACE.

I WANTED TO EXPRESS THESE THINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PERCENTAGES OF THAT ELECTION WERE THOUGHT THROUGH BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALMOST 4,000 RESIDENTS HAD VOTED FOR THIS, EVEN TO RAISE THEIR PROPERTY TAXES EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T PASS. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>> [APPLAUSE] WELL, THANKS FOR THE COMMENTS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THEY WANT TO MAKE IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING? IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY DISCUSSIONS.

>> I DO ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THE LIGHTING QUESTION.

CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE HOURS AND HOW THE LIGHTS WILL BE SHIELDED?

>> WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE TODAY, WE JUST REDID A LOT OF OUR TENNIS COURTS WITH THE MUSCO LED LIGHTING AND IT IS PERFECTED WHERE IT'S JUST LIGHTING THE COURTS THEMSELVES, AND HAS VERY LITTLE SPILLOVER, IT DOESN'T POLLUTE UP AND TOWARDS THE SKY AS WELL.

THAT'S ALL PROGRAMMABLE AND WE'LL SHUT OFF AT A CERTAIN TIME.

RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE GO UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK AT OUR TENNIS COURTS.

IN THIS PARK, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE LIGHTS ON THE RESTROOM LIGHTS ON THE PLAZA AREA, THE PARKING LOT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE LIGHTS, AS WELL AS MAYBE SOME AROUND THE TRAIL.

THAT WOULD BE IT. THEY'D ALL BE DIRECTED DOWNWARD.

>> WOULD THE TRAIL LIGHTS BE TURNED OFF THEN AS WELL?

>> THE PARK ITSELF WOULD CLOSE AT 11.

OUR PARKS ARE ALL CLOSED BETWEEN 11:00 PM AND 5:00 AM I BELIEVE, OR 6:00 AM.

>> THE LIGHTS WOULD BE OFF THEN AT 11:00. THANK YOU.

>> WE'D PROBABLY LEAVE ON SOME JUST FOR SECURITY LIGHTING.

>> ALL AIMED?

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY. NOTHING'S GOING TO BE POINTED UP.

>> ANYBODY ELSE, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

>> I DID WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF COURTS.

ACTUALLY, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BASKETBALL COURT, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT TOO AND YOU COULD PROBABLY GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT ALL THE INPUT AND THE DEMAND AND ALL THAT.

BUT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE BASKETBALL COURT, WE COULD ADD MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS TO GET THEM UP TO THE 12, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IT'S REALLY REALLY MINIMUM IDEAL PLAY FOR PICK-UP SITUATIONS.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE POINT OF TENNIS HERE WHERE WE'LL HAVE COURTS FOR TOURNAMENT PLAY.

I THINK THE INTENTION OF THAT WAS THE TENNIS CENTER, AND WE'VE SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT ON THAT THOUGHT.

BUT IF WE HAD ONE MORE, MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP, BUT I WOULD WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE OPTION OF GETTING MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS.

>> I WOULD SAY ONE THING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO IS TO MAKE BANKS OF SIX INSTEAD OF BANKS OF FOUR ON THE PICKLEBALL.

>> IF YOU COULD DO THAT, OR IF ADJACENT TO THE RESTROOM, THAT LITTLE PATH THAT JOGS DOWN TO THE INNER PATH, THAT COULD SHIFT DOWN AND THEN THERE COULD BE ONE MORE PAD OF

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PICKLEBALL LIKE ONE BENEATH THE OTHER ON THIS PHOTO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> CERTAINLY, IF THE WISH OF THE COUNCIL IS TO HAVE 12 WE'LL MAKE IT WORK.

>> I THINK THE POINT IS WELL TAKEN THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD EIGHT, IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS 12, 12 WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND SPEND THE MONEY AGAIN LATER.

>> IF YOU DO THAT, IS THAT PARKING AREA.

> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WILL AFFECT POSSIBLY THE PARKING.

I THINK RIGHT NOW, IT MIGHT BE DESIGNED TO WHAT'S IN HERE SO YOU WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO EXPAND PARKING.

THAT WOULD BE THE GIVE AND TAKE THING.

IF YOU HAVE MORE COURTS, YOU GOT TO ADD MORE PARKING, BECAUSE THIS COULD BE VERY POPULAR PARK CERTAINLY HOPE SO.

IT'S A COMMUNITY PARK AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE, NOT ONLY FOR PICKLEBALL BUT OTHER USES AS WELL.

>> THE OTHER THING IS, I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE PARKING ON MARK TWAIN BOULEVARD.

THAT'S RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO IMPOSE ON THEM FOR THAT.

>> IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO COORDINATE WITH THE CHURCH THERE?

>> THEY'VE BEEN VERY GREAT PARTNERS WITH US ALREADY LETTING US HOST MEETINGS THERE AND THEY LOVE THE IDEA OF THIS PARK BEING DEVELOPED.

I'M SURE THEY'LL WANT TO MAYBE UTILIZE SOME OF OURS ON CHRISTMAS EASTER, THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS SO CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT.

I KNOW THAT'S COME UP WHERE THEY WERE HOPING TO HAVE A PARKING LOT IN HERE AND THEY WANTED TO VISIT WITH US ABOUT UTILIZING IT, SO HOPEFULLY IT CAN BE RECIPROCAL.

>> YEAH. ABSOLUTELY.

>> BUT I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT PEOPLE PARKING IN THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

>> SUNDAY IS GOING TO BE THEIR BIGGEST ISSUE.

>> THEY HAVE EVENTS AS WELL, AND THEY HOST THINGS IN THE EVENINGS ON CERTAIN NIGHTS.

>> SUNDAYS MIGHT BE POPULAR FOR THE PARK TOO SUNDAY MORNINGS TO GET OUT THERE BEFORE IT GETS TOO HOT.

>> I KNOW THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN.

THAT WAS SOMETHING WHEN THEY WROTE A SUPPORT LETTER THAT ONE OF THEIR SAY, BOARD MEMBERS WAS ASKING QUESTIONS REGARDING PARKING AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS PLENTY OF PARKING SO THAT THEY'RE NOT CONSTANTLY COMING OVER AND UTILIZING THE CHURCH PARKING.

>> I'LL JUST MAKE THE CASE THAT I LIKE THE OTHER USES, INCLUDING THE BASKETBALL COURT, THE PLAYGROUND, THE PATH BECAUSE IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE FAMILIES WHERE PARENTS MAYBE THEY WANT TO PLAY PICKLEBALL OR TENNIS, BUT THE TEENAGERS WANT TO PLAY BASKETBALL AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS WANT TO PLAY ON THE PLAYGROUND.

IF WE TAKE THOSE USES AWAY, IT BECOMES, I THINK IT SHUTS OUT FAMILIES SO LET'S SOME EXTRA USES IN THERE FOR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY THAT MAY BE DON'T WANT TO DO THE PRIMARY ACTIVITY.

I DO LIKE THE ADDITIONAL PAD WHETHER IT'S PICKLEBALL, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO HAVE IT THE FIFTH PAD BE A PICKLEBALL PAD THAN A TENNIS PAD JUST FROM THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC.

THE TRAIL EIGHT FOOT PAVEMENT SIX FOOT SOFT TRAIL SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A GOOD PLACE, AND IT'LL HELP OFFSET THE COST FOR THIS ADDITIONAL PAD.

THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOME OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHAT DID YOU SAY FOR THE SOFT TRACK? WHAT WAS THE WIDTH?

>> I THINK THE PROPOSED WAS 12 AND SIX OR WAS IT [OVERLAPPING] 10 AND SIX? TEN AND SIX, SO EIGHT AND SIX

>> EIGHT AND SIX.

>> THAT GET SOME BIKE LANES AND THEN ALSO SOME RUNNING.

>> KIDS COULD BE SIDE BY SIDE.

>> YEAH. THEN TO YOUR POINT, WHICH SIDE OF THE TRACK SHOULD YOU BE ON I WAS THINKING YOU'D GO COUNTERCLOCKWISE, SO YOU'D BE ON THE SOFT TRAIL [LAUGHTER].

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE FIGURE IT OUT.

>> I WILL CERTAINLY MAKE SURE IT'S DESIGNED SAFELY, SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE RUNNING INTO EACH OTHER.

>> MAYBE I'M MORE OF A NASCAR FAN, [LAUGHTER] SO BACKWARDS.

>> ANY MORE COMMENTS? WELL, DID I CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING?

>> NEED TO GET A VOTE.

>> WE NEED TO VOTE. WE NEED A MOTION THEN WITH A FIFTH PAD FOR PICKLEBALL AND REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE TRAIL TO EIGHT TO THE CONCRETE PORTION OF THE TRAIL TO AN EIGHT FOOT WIDTH.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION?

>> YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO JUST SAY 12 COURT THAT WAY IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MAYBE EXPAND IT WHERE THERE'S SIX AND SIX AND MIGHT SAVE US MONEY IN SPACE? I WAS SAYING A FIFTH PAD.

>> I THINK THAT'S GIVES THEM LEEWAY, BUT WE GET THE SAME COURTS THAT YOU WANT.

>> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF REGULAR ITEM K2 WITH FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS, 12 PICKLEBALL COURTS, AND AN 8' WIDE CONCRETE PATH.

>> ANYONE WANT TO 6' GRANITE. DID YOU WANT TO SAY?

>> THAT'S WHAT IT IS NOW SO WE'LL LEAVE THAT AS.

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

TERESA, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE ROLL?

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>> COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER DREW?

>> MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SHESO?

>> AYE

>> COUNCIL MEMBER WERNER.

>> AYE

>> TROTTER PARK MASTER PLAN PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

AT THIS TIME, IT'S 7: 34.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AN INTERMISSION HERE FOR ABOUT 5 MINUTES SO WE'LL RESUME AT 7:40.

MIKE ON. IT IS 7: 41 NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO RESUME OUR REGULAR SESSION ON ITEM NUMBER 3 ON THE CAC EXPANSION AND RENOVATION STUDY PRESENTATION.

[K.3. CAC Expansion & Renovation Study Presentation - Presentation of the Community Activity Center Expansion and Renovation Study conducted by Barker Rinker Seacat Architecture.]

CHUCK BEFORE YOU START TALKING, I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO JAMES TO SAY A FEW POINTS ON THIS.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE IT.

THIS IS AN ITEM THAT LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT IN THE LAST MEETING THAT THE COUNCIL SET THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE BLUE RIBBON BOND COMMITTEE THAT IS GOING TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT COULD BE CONTEMPLATED TO PUT ON A BALLOT IN MAY 2025 AND THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS CONTEMPLATED TO POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD IN THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL AS A COUNCIL TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU ASK YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT ALSO TO INFORM THE PUBLIC, IS THAT AS IT COMES TOGETHER, THIS GROUP IS GOING TO BE VETTING, PHASING, SCOPING, PRICING, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THE BOND COMMITTEE IS ABOUT TO TACKLE THOSE ASPECTS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO FOCUS MORE ON THE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT NAMELY OPERATING HOURS, COST RECOVERY, THOSE TYPE OF MODELS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE BOND COMMITTEE.

YOU WILL GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO VET THOSE ON THE BACK END AS IT COMES FORWARD TO YOU.

AGAIN, IT'S NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T OPINE ON PRICING AND PHASING AND APPROACHES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALLOW THE BOND COMMITTEE TO HAVE THAT FIRST SWING AT IT, SO TO SPEAK.

I SENT AN EMAIL OUT TO THE GROUP, I THINK WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS ACTUALLY HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.

BUT I SENT IT TO THE GROUP TO WATCH, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO COME TO THEM IN THE FUTURE.

THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIG INTO IT ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS ABOUT PRICING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT I DIDN'T WANT YOU GUYS TO GET AHEAD OF THEM, BECAUSE AT A CERTAIN POINT, THEY'LL JUST SAY, WELL, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL JUST SAID ON THE 15TH.

IF WE COULD FOCUS THOSE QUESTIONS AT THAT HIGHER LEVEL PIECE, THAT HALLS RESPONSIBILITY ON THE OPERATING MODEL, THAT'D BE GREAT.

AGAIN, BY ALL MEANS, WRITE YOUR QUESTIONS DOWN, MAKE SURE YOU MAKE NOTE OF YOUR CONCERNS, BUT JUST KNOW THAT EVENTUALLY THIS WILL COME BEFORE YOU BEFORE ANY CONSIDERATION IS MADE FOR IT TO GO TO A BALLOT.

I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOUR REPRESENTATIVES ON THE BOND COMMITTEE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO ASK AND TACKLE THOSE SAME QUESTIONS AND ISSUES AND CONCERNS IN THAT PROCESS.

I JUST WANTED TO FRAME IT UP WITH YOU.

I DON'T WANT TO PARALYZE YOU WHERE YOU CAN'T PROVIDE COMMENTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO FRAME UP THAT BE MINDFUL THAT THE BOND COMMITTEE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS IS GOING TO BE TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND, NOT OPERATIONAL, BUT THE CAPITAL COMPONENTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHUCK AND HE'S GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANTS.

>> THANK YOU, JAMES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

BACK FOR A THIRD TIME.

GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT THIS ITEM TONIGHT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS STUDY FOR THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS IN DISCUSSIONS REVOLVING AROUND THE EXPANSION, RENOVATION OF THE CAC IS REALLY WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT SINCE 2016 WHEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THAT AS PART OF THE 2017 PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.

AS YOU'LL SEE IN THIS PRESENTATION, WE'RE CERTAINLY EXCITED ABOUT ALL THE NEW AND EXPANDED RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, WE'LL PROVIDE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

LIKE THE OTHER ONE, LIKE TROTTER PARK MASTER PLAN THE STUDY INVOLVES A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT FROM OUR RESIDENTS, OUR BOARD MEMBERS, STAFF, AS WELL AS A MEMBER OF TOWN COUNCIL.

MAYOR PRO TEM AND MARTIN SERVED ON THE EXECUTIVE STEERING COMMITTEE.

I CERTAINLY WANT TO LIKE I DID WITH THE PUBLIC, ON THE OTHER ONE, I WANT TO EXTEND MY THANK YOU TO ALL THE FOLKS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AS WELL AS CAME TO ALL THE DIFFERENT PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE HAD AND PARTICIPATED IN THE SURVEY THAT WE DID FOR THIS AS WELL.

THE TOWN CONTRACTED WITH BARKER RINKER SCAT ARCHITECTURE, BETTER KNOWN AS BRS.

BRS, IS A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED ARCHITECTURAL FIRM.

KNOWN FOR DESIGNING AWARD WINNING RECREATIONAL FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

TONIGHT, PRESENTING WILL BE CRAIG BACK.

HE IS THE PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE, AND ALSO SENIOR ASSOCIATE MICK MASSEY'S HERE, AND I THINK HE'S GOING TO BE TAKING ONE OF THE PARTS OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.

BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF GREAT STUFF TO GO OVER AND COVER TONIGHT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS AND JUST LIKE BEFORE, I'LL BE HERE, STAFF HERE TO HELP IN AND OF COURSE,

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BRS AND THEIR TEAM.

WITH THAT I'LL INVITE CRAIG UP TO THE PODIUM.

>> THANK YOU, CHUCK. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO PRESENT OUR FINDINGS HERE OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER.

WE HAVE JUST A BRIEF AMOUNT OF TIME TODAY, SO IT'S GOING TO BE A BIT OF AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, IF YOU WILL.

I KNOW YOU HAVE A PACKET THERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS IN THERE.

WE'LL OF COURSE, STAY AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS YOU CAN, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT BIG OVERVIEW RIGHT NOW. LET'S SEE.

HOW DO I ADVANCE THIS? [NOISE] THERE WE GO.

PERFECT. THE TWO OF US PRESENTED TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS CRAIG BACK, MICK MASSEY, WHO WILL BE JOINING US.

MICK'S GOING TO COME UP AND COVER ALL THE HARD NUMBER STUFF SO I'LL COVER THE PRETTY PICTURES HE'LL DO THE NUMBERS.

THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO ORGANIZE IT.

BEFORE WE DO THAT THOUGH, WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE OF PROCESS.

CHUCK ALLUDED TO SOME OF THE INPUT.

WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT ALL THE INGREDIENTS THAT WENT INTO SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT ARE.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROGRAM BUILDING PROGRAM.

WE'RE GOING TO SHARE SOME CONCEPTS.

WE'RE GOING TO SHOW HOW THAT MIGHT FIT ON THE EXISTING SITE.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES AND EXPLAIN HOW WE CAME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THOSE OPERATIONAL NUMBERS AND DIG IN AND SHOW YOU AGAIN, SOME OF THE THINKING BEHIND THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE.

OF COURSE, WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS SOME GOOD INPUT TONIGHT.

WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED A REPORT, SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WITH INPUT TONIGHT WE CAN GET TO THAT NEXT STAGE.

OF COURSE, WITH ANY GOOD PROJECT, WE START WITH MISSION, VISION AND GOALS.

THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE, I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER ALL OF IT.

JUST KNOW THAT THE STAFF WAS PRETTY CLEAR WHEN WE BEGAN THIS THAT WE HAD TO TAKE AS MUCH OF THAT INFORMATION AS WE COULD AND SYNTHESIZE IT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.

ON THE NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES HERE, WE DO.

WE SYNTHESIZE THOSE INTO SEVERAL THINGS.

WE'VE GOT OUR MISSION.

AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THESE FOR YOU, BUT THEY'RE THERE, OUR GOALS, WHICH ARE EXTENSIVE, AND THEN OUR VISION.

IN A NUTSHELL THOUGH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAXIMIZE WHAT YOU HAVE.

IN 2008, YOU BUILT THIS AMAZING COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER AND IT IS GREAT.

WE CAME IN, WE DO THESE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND WE SAID, WOW, THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD STUFF HERE A LOT OF GREAT DECISIONS WERE MADE IT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF VERY WELL. THERE WAS A LOT TO WORK WITH.

JUST KNOW, WE WANTED TO MAXIMIZE EVERYTHING THAT WAS HERE.

THE SITE IS FAIRLY TIGHT.

THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON IT, I'LL GO OVER SOME OF THAT.

WE HAD SOME LIMITATIONS THERE.

BUT JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH WHAT'S THERE.

ALSO CONTINUE THE GREAT ARCHITECTURE THAT YOU'VE STARTED WITH.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY AND COME COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THIS BUILDING TO THE NEXT 15 YEARS.

>> IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT SCHEDULE, JUST KNOW THAT WHEN WE DID THIS, IT WAS A COMPLETE AND HOLISTIC PROCESS.

WE'RE HERE TOWARD THAT END.

WE'RE GIVING THESE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WRAP THIS UP HOPEFULLY IN AUGUST.

BUT JUST AS YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAD SEVERAL BOARD SESSIONS.

WE HAD SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS.

WE HAD A SURVEY INVOLVED, A LOT OF TIME WITH STAFF.

JUST KNOW THAT IT WAS PRETTY EXTENSIVE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR APPROACH, YOU'RE GETTING A SENSE OF THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF IT TOGETHER.

THERE WAS NO POINT IN THIS PROCESS WHERE WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS IT THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS PROJECT? WHAT ARE THE NEEDS AND WANTS OF THE COMMUNITY? WHAT ARE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE? WHAT SCHEDULE MIGHT WE APPLY TO THAT BECAUSE COST IS ALWAYS ASSOCIATED WITH TIME? WE HAD TO MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THAT.

WE'LL SHARE WHAT THOSE ARE WITH YOU TONIGHT.

BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT IS THIS IDEA OF OPERATIONS.

DURING THE ENTIRE PROCESS AND EVEN WHEN WE WERE ENGAGING WITH THE PUBLIC, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT IS THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE? WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE FACILITY NOW AND WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT USING THE FACILITY NOW? HOW MIGHT WE AFFECT THAT WITH THE CHOICES THAT WE MAKE? A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK WERE TRYING TO GET RIGHT AT THAT.

WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS A MORE COMPLETE PROJECT? ONE OF THE MEASURING STICKS THAT WE USE, AS YOU MIGHT GUESS, IS PARTICIPATION.

HOW CAN WE MAXIMIZE PARTICIPATION WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT? WE'LL BEGIN BY WITH THE PROJECT PROGRAM, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROGRAM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE SPACES WITHIN THE BUILDING.

WHEN PARKS AND REC PEOPLE TALK ABOUT PROGRAM, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY DO WITHIN THOSE SPACES.

WE BEGAN THE PROCESS.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IS ONE OF OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS.

THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE ROOMS AT THE COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER, ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S BEEN RECENTLY REFRESHED, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALREADY IN GREAT SHAPE.

LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE AREAS THAT WE'VE AFFECTED, AND SOME OF THEM WE'RE GOING TO SEE WE DIDN'T REALLY PROPOSE TO DO ANYTHING.

THIS ROOM IS ONE OF THOSE.

IT'S ALREADY IN GREAT SHAPE.

SO JUST KNOW THAT THE SOLUTION IS NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL.

IT'S GOING TO BE A HYBRID SOLUTION,

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SURGICALLY LOOKING AT ALL THE ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING AND THE SITE.

WE PLAYED LOTS OF GAMES.

WE GOT LOTS OF INPUT.

WE HAD MATHEMATICAL AND OBJECTIVE WAYS, BUT WE ALSO HAD EMPLOYED SUBJECTIVE WAYS OF GETTING INFORMATION OUT OF FOLKS.

WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING. WE HAD OUR PUBLIC SURVEY.

WE GOT LOTS AND LOTS OF GREAT INFORMATION IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT I KNOW YOU'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH.

THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS WE FELT WAS VERY STRONG.

ALMOST 700 TOTAL RESPONDENTS WAS GREAT.

OF COURSE, WE LET THEM GIVE NARRATIVE RESPONSES, AS WELL AS OBJECTIVE RESPONSES.

THIS CRAZY CHART TAKES ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, AND WE TRY TO FIND WAYS TO SHARE WITH YOU THE THINGS THAT WERE OF SIMILAR CONCERN OR WANT.

YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF SYNERGY BETWEEN THESE VARIOUS FORMS OF INPUT.

ONCE WE TOOK ALL OF THESE, WE FOUND A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIERS.

BUT WE CAME UP WITH THIS PRIORITIZED LIST.

YOU CAN SEE HERE, WHEN YOU GO DOWN THIS LIST, A LOT OF THESE SPACES ARE ONES THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE, AND SOME OF THEM BRING A NEW DIMENSION TO SOMETHING THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.

THAT WAS REALLY ENCOURAGING.

IT SAYS THAT MANY OF THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE BACK IN 2008 WERE STILL STRONG.

IT'S JUST THAT WE NEED TO EXPAND THEM AND WE NEED TO BRING THEM INTO THE NEXT 15 YEARS, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU.

ONE IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR LIST IS IN THE SOLUTION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WE HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS ACCOMMODATED, EXCEPT OUTDOOR AQUATICS.

NOW, OUR TASK WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS TO DO INDOOR FACILITIES.

WE DIDN'T FOCUS ON OUTDOOR.

OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, ESPECIALLY AQUATIC ONES, ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE ON THE LIST, ESPECIALLY ON DAYS LIKE TODAY WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TIME AND IT'S WARM.

JUST KNOW THAT THAT STILL IS A VERY HIGH PRIORITY.

IT'LL REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL STUDY POTENTIALLY TO DO THAT.

NOW, WE COULDN'T AFFECT THE BUILDING WITHOUT AFFECTING SOME OF THE SPACE IN THAT AREA.

WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU THAT. THERE, ACTUALLY, ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE.

WE SPECIFICALLY, HOWEVER, DID NOT GET INTO THE POOL ITSELF.

[NOISE] WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WE CAME UP WITH.

BIG PICTURE SUMMARY.

YOU HAVE A 60,000^2 FOOT FACILITY RIGHT NOW.

THE SOLUTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU AFFECTS RENOVATES, ABOUT HALF OF IT, 57%, 34,000^2 FEET.

THAT'S BROKEN DOWN IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

THE DRY STUFF, BASICALLY, ANYTHING THAT ISN'T POOL-RELATED, IS ABOUT 30,000^2 FEET, AND MOST OF IT.

THE WET AREA THERE THAT 5,700, THAT'S BASICALLY THE LOCKER ROOMS THAT YOU SEE THERE.

NOW, NEW SPACE, SPACE THAT WE MIGHT ADD, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE BULK OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

THERE'S ABOUT 41,000, THAT'S THE GYMNASIUM AND SOME FITNESS EXPANSIONS.

THE 14,000^2 FEET IS FOR ANOTHER POOL, A DIFFERENT POOL, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU SOME PHOTOS OF THAT.

IF YOU HAVE CHOSE TO DO ALL OF THIS, YOUR FACILITY WOULD GROW TO ABOUT 115,000^2 FEET.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S ANOTHER 7,500^2 FEET OR SO, WHICH I'LL SHARE WITH YOU, WHICH IS AN OUTDOOR SPACE.

IT'S SOME ROOFTOP AREA THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE AND DO AN INDOOR-OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE WITH.

HERE'S VERY QUICKLY A WAY TO THINK ABOUT THE PROJECT.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT A FLOOR PLAN FROM ABOVE.

YOU CAN SEE THE OUTDOOR POOL THERE.

YOU CAN SEE THIS BLACK AND WHITE VERSION OF THE FLOOR PLAN, AND YOU CAN SEE THE SITE AROUND IT.

VERY QUICKLY, THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE AFFECTING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT AQUATIC YET.

THIS IS OUR DRY SIDE OF EXPANSION.

WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO IT IN A SECOND.

BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT BIG OVERALL PICTURE.

YOU CAN SEE, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PARKING LOT IS SET UP, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE OUTDOOR WATER PARK IS SET UP, WE'RE RESTRICTED AS TO WHERE WE CAN EXPAND.

OUR BIG MOVE FOR EXPANSION IS TO THE EAST.

IT'S TOWARDS THE FIELD. THERE'S SOME CONSEQUENCES THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF OUR FIELD.

WE'LL HAVE TO REARRANGE THE WAY THAT THE OUTDOOR SPACES ARE WORKED THERE, BUT ABSOLUTELY DOABLE.

THERE IS A BIG GAS EASEMENT THAT IS JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THESE GYMNASIUMS, THAT LIMITS HOW FAR WE CAN GO TO THE EAST, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THAT WHEN I SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN.

IF WE ZOOM INTO THESE COLORFUL SPACES, BASICALLY, THEY FALL INTO DIFFERENT ACTIVITY SPA.

ANYTHING THAT IS ORANGE, A LIGHT GOLD COLOR IS FITNESS-RELATED.

ANYTHING THAT IS BRIGHT YELLOW IS A COMMUNITY-RELATED SPACE.

ANYTHING THAT IS BRIGHT ORANGE IS MORE OF A CIRCULATION OR A GATHERING SPACE THAT WE'VE ADDED.

ANYTHING THAT IS PURPLE HAS TO DO WITH RUNNING THE FACILITY.

IT'S ADMIN-RELATED.

ANYTHING THAT IS DARK BLUE, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME RESTROOMS. AS WE EXPAND THE BUILDING, OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO EXPAND SERVICES.

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THEN THE BIG GREEN SPACE, AND THE LITTLE BIT THAT YOU SEE IN THE FITNESS ROOM, HAS TO DO WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF, INDOOR.

I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PHOTOS OF THAT.

WHEN WE GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR, OR THE UPPER LEVEL, WE'RE NOT DOING A TON UP HERE.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THAT SECOND FLOOR FITNESS, THAT'S 3,000^2 FEET OF EXISTING FITNESS. WE'RE JUST GOING TO RENOVATE IT.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE IT SOME NEW LIGHTING, SOME NEW PAINT.

WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE FLOORING SURFACE ON THE TRACK, BUT THE TRACK WILL REMAIN THE WAY IT IS, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

THE BIG ADD ON THIS LEVEL IS THAT SHADED ROOFTOP FITNESS TURF AREA, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING SOME NEW GROUP FITNESS SPACES BELOW.

NOW LET'S JUMP TO THE WET SIDE.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE WET SIDE IS A NEW LEISURE POOL.

NOW YOU HAVE AN AMAZING LAP POOL, AND IT'S SERVING THE COMMUNITY EXTREMELY WELL.

WHAT THE LEISURE POOL OFFERS AND WHAT IT ADDS TO THE EQUATION IS IT ADDS A DIFFERENT WATER TEMPERATURE, AND IT ADDS DIFFERENT WATER DEPTHS, AND LOTS OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES.

THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE PER SQUARE FOOT THAT YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE IN THIS POOL IS QUITE DIFFERENT THAN THE POOL THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.

IT AFFORDS A WHOLE DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY AQUATICS YEAR-ROUND.

THAT WAS THE PRIORITY WHEN THINKING ABOUT HOW TO ADD TO SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THAT'S REALLY WORKING WELL.

IT'S 1+1 = 3 IS THE IDEA.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU SEE THE LOCKER ROOMS WILL GET A REFRESH, AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST PORTIONS OF THAT IS ADDING CAPACITY AND CHANGING WHAT WE CALL OUR UNIVERSAL LOCKER ROOMS OR OUR FAMILY LOCKER ROOMS. NOW YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF IN YOUR FACILITY, AS YOU CAN SEE DOWN HERE, WE HAVE EXPAND THAT QUITE EXTENSIVELY.

NOW, IN THE SPACE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER, YOU MIGHT KNOW THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WHERE IT SAYS UNIVERSAL RIGHT THERE, THAT CURRENTLY IS YOUR SNACK BAR.

WE HAVE TO MOVE THAT OUT OF THE WAY.

PART OF THE AMENITIES AND CHANGES THAT WE'LL DO FOR THE OUTDOOR AQUATIC SPACE IS WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO A NEW CONCESSION BUILDING, AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS AND NEW DECK SPACE, AND MORE SHADING THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO OUTDOOR USERS OF THE OUTDOOR AQUATIC AREA, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY WERE PROPOSING THAT.

NOW, PART OF THE REASON THAT WE'RE PUTTING IT OVER HERE WHERE IT'S SHOWING IS CONVENIENCE.

IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO PUT IT.

BUT YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT PLAN, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE WHERE THAT CONCESSION BUILDING IS AND TUCK IT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING SO THAT THAT CONCESSION CAN NOW BE AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WHO'S USING THAT GYMNASIUM SPACE AS WELL.

SO IT CAN BE A YEAR-ROUND THING.

ESPECIALLY IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO ANY TOURNAMENTS OR LEAGUE PLAY.

THIS IS A DOLLHOUSE VIEW, BEGINNING TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER.

WE DO THESE DRAWINGS BECAUSE WE THINK THEY CAN BE A LOT MORE UNDERSTANDABLE IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH LOOKING AT ARCHITECTURAL PLANS.

THE BIG MOVE HERE AND THE THING THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE A REALLY GOOD USE OF RESOURCES IS WE TOOK THE EXISTING GYMNASIUM SPACE, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE BUILDING, AND WE TURNED IT INTO A FITNESS SPACE.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG MOVES.

NOW WE CAN TAKE THAT 9,000^2 FEET, TURN IT INTO FITNESS, MAKE IT ADJACENT TO THE 3,000^2 FEET THAT YOU HAVE ON THE UPPER LEVEL, AND MAKE SOME DYNAMIC CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE TWO.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE A NEW STAIR THAT WOULD CONNECT THE TWO, BUT THEN ALSO A NEW TURF RAMP.

AN EXERCISE RAMP THAT COULD CONNECT THE TWO AND CREATE A VERY DYNAMIC SPACE SURROUNDED BY THE RUNNING TRACK.

THAT IS A PIVOTAL MOVE.

ONCE WE TAKE THAT GYM AWAY, HOWEVER, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO RECREATE THAT GYM.

WHAT YOU'RE SEEING OVER HERE IN OUR GYM SPACE IS RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TWO MIDDLE SCHOOL COURTS AND ONE HIGH-SCHOOL COURT.

WE'RE BASICALLY DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE GYM, GIVING YOU THREE MIDDLE SCHOOL COURTS, AND INSTEAD OF THAT FOURTH MIDDLE SCHOOL, WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT YOU COULD DO TURF.

YOU COULD HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE WAY OF THAT FOURTH COURT, AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PHOTOS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, OR WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT GYMNASIUM SPACE.

THAT LOUNGE SPACE THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME SPACE FOR LEAGUES TO COME AND GO, AND SO THAT IS AN OUTDOOR PORCH THAT BECOMES ENCLOSED.

WE'RE UTILIZING THAT INTO THE BUILDING.

THE FITNESS STUDIO SPACES THAT YOU SEE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE FITNESS FLOOR, THOSE ARE GROUP FITNESS AREAS.

THOSE ARE PART OF THE NEW EXPANSION.

THAT TURF AREA ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS RIGHT ABOVE THOSE.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE LOCKER ROOMS ARE.

A DYNAMIC CHANGE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE BUILDING, IF YOU'VE WALKED UP TO THE BUILDING, YOU'LL KNOW IT HAS A LARGE FRONT PORCH.

WE'RE FILLING THAT IN, AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE EXPANDING OUR SPACE WITHOUT EXPANDING OUR FOOTPRINT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE PART THAT SAYS TOT DROP OFFICES.

WE'RE MOVING THE CHILD WATCH AREA UP THERE.

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WE'RE REARRANGING THAT ENTIRE LOBBY SPACE, MOVING THE RECEPTION DESK, SO THE OPERATIONS FOLKS CAN HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF MANAGING THIS FACILITY, AND IN THE OPEN AREA OF THE LOBBY, WE'RE PUTTING AN INDOOR PLAYGROUND.

IT BECOMES A HUB FOR ALL GENERATIONS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WE THINK IS GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING AND DYNAMIC THING TO CONSIDER.

UPSTAIRS, ANOTHER VIEW OF THAT SAME SPACE.

YOU CAN SEE HOW IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.

I'LL CONTINUE ON. FROM A MASSING POINT OF VIEW, THESE GREEN BOXES SHOW YOU THE EXPANSION AREAS.

YOU SEE HOW WE'RE STARTING TO FILL UP THE SITE, GOING AROUND THE BUILDING.

HERE'S SOME GROUND-LEVEL VIEWS.

HERE'S SOME RENDERING. THESE RENDERINGS ARE AN ATTEMPT TO SHOW YOU THAT WE CAN USE THE EXISTING MATERIALS THAT EXIST ON THE BUILDING, AND THEN FIND WAYS TO USE THEM IN THE EXPANSION, SO IT FEELS LIKE THESE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE WHEN YOU'RE DONE.

PLAYING WITH THE ROOF FORMS, THE FENESTRATION OR THE WINDOWS, AS WELL AS THE MATERIALS THEMSELVES.

HERE'S A VIEW OF THAT FRONT.

YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRE BUILDING. HERE'S THE BACK.

WE'VE RELOCATED THOSE SHADE STRUCTURES NOW AS PART OF THAT PICNIC AREA AND CONCESSION AREA.

WE'D RECOMMEND CONSIDERING EVEN ADDING MORE OF THOSE, ESPECIALLY ON DAYS LIKE TODAY.

THEN YOU CAN SEE ON THAT SHADED AREA WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OUTDOOR FITNESS, THE INTENTION THERE COULD BE THAT THOSE COULD BE BIG GARAGE DOORS, SO THAT THEY COULD BE OPEN WHEN THE WEATHER PERMITS, OR WE COULD CLOSE IT AND CAPTURE THAT SPACE ON DAYS WHEN IT'S TOO HOT.

HERE'S A VIEW FROM STREET LEVEL.

IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WALKING UP TO THE CENTER, YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'RE FILLING IN THAT PORCH THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

OF COURSE, WE HAVE YOUR CHRISTMAS TREE.

WE'VE BEEN MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT A SPACE FOR THAT, AND THEN THE NATATORIUM OR LEISURE POOL SPACE TO THE RIGHT.

HERE'S THAT SITE PLAN I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU.

STARTING ON THE FAR RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THAT YELLOW STRIPE.

THAT'S OUR GAS EASEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM.

VERY PURPOSEFULLY, WE'RE STAYING CLEAR OF THAT, BUT WE CAN STILL GET OUR GYMNASIUM TO FIT.

WE'RE SEEING THAT WE CAN FIT ABOUT 125 NEW PARKING SPACES.

WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT, SO WE'RE SHOWING THAT.

SOME CHANGES IN THE PATHS AND DRIVEWAYS.

ALL THE SERVICE WILL REMAIN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN OF COURSE, WE CAN FIND SOME ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR THE CHRISTMAS TREES AS WELL.

WHAT DO THESE SPACES LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY GET TO THE SCALE? HERE'S A BIGGER GYMNASIUM.

IT'S THAT THREE-QUARTER SIZE.

I'LL JUST MOVE THROUGH THESE QUICKLY JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT SOME SIMILAR FACILITIES COULD LOOK LIKE.

HERE'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT GYM THAT'S TURFED, THAT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF A MIDDLE SCHOOL COURT.

IT'S GOT THE DURABLE WALLS.

IT'S GOT THE NETTING. IT'S VERY FUN.

IT'S A DIFFERENT SPACE.

WHEN WE TAKE THAT GYMNASIUM FLOOR AND WE'VE GOT DOUBLE HEIGHT AND WE MOVE THE FITNESS DOWN, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A FEEL LIKE THIS.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT USING STAIRS AND THE TURF RAMP AS PART OF OUR EXERCISE MACHINES, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS.

WHEN WE GO UPSTAIRS AND WE HAVE THAT OUTDOOR FITNESS AREA, IT MIGHT LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS, EXCEPT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY EVEN HAVE MORE OF IT ENCLOSED, OR HAVE THOSE GARAGE DOORS.

THESE GROOVE FITNESS ROOMS ARE MEANT TO BE VERY VERSATILE.

THEY'RE NOT JUST FOR DANCE AND AEROBICS.

THEY CAN CERTAINLY DO THOSE, BUT THEY'RE REALLY ABOUT MOVING YOU TO THE NEXT GENERATION OR THE NEXT 15 YEARS OF FUNCTIONAL TRAINING AND PLYOMETRICS.

SO THEY'LL BE VERY VERSATILE.

THAT OPEN FITNESS AREA IN THE GYM, THE 9,000^2 FEET, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF CHOICES NOW OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.

WE'RE ALL CRAMMED ON THE SECOND FLOOR NOW.

NOW WE CAN SPREAD OUT AND HAVE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT WE WANT TO DO.

THAT INDOOR PLAYGROUND CAN HAVE ANY FEEL.

THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE TO SUGGEST THAT WE'RE TAKING WHAT WE MIGHT DO NORMALLY OUTSIDE, BUT BRINGING IT INDOORS.

WHEN IT GETS DARK AT 4:30 OR IT'S TOO HOT OR TOO COLD, WE'VE GOT A PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO GATHER.

WE HAVE AN INDOOR SPACE FOR CHILD WATCH AND BABYSITTING, WHICH IS FRONT AND CENTER NOW WITHIN THE FACILITY.

WE'VE GOT FLEXIBLE ROOMS THAT CAN BE USED FOR PARTIES, BUT ALSO CLASSROOMS AND PROGRAMMING.

A RE-IMAGINING THAT WHOLE ENTRY EXPERIENCE AND CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE POOL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPACES LIKE THESE, WHERE WE'VE GOT LOTS OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES, BOTH RECREATION, FITNESS, AND FUN.

LOCKER ROOM UPGRADES. THEY'RE SOLID.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE PLUMBING NECESSARILY.

IT WOULD JUST BE UPGRADING THE LOCKERS, UPGRADING THE PLUMBING FIXTURES.

ADDING THAT ELEMENT OF UNIVERSAL CHANGING SPACES TO BRING IT UP, AGAIN, UP TO THAT NEXT GENERATION OF USEFUL SPACE.

PARTY ROOMS, WE MENTIONED THAT A LITTLE BIT, WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT. IN TERMS OF SCHEDULE.

ONE OF THE GOALS I FORGOT TO MENTION IS THAT IF WE DID DO THIS, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CLOSE THE FACILITY.

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SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO DO ALL OF THESE CHANGES AND STILL MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE AND SAFE. HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? WELL, WE'D HAVE TO SPREAD THINGS OUT.

WE CAN'T JUST DO IT ALL AT ONCE.

YOU COULD, OF COURSE, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO CLOSE THE FACILITY.

BUT IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT OPEN, IT WOULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO AN ELECTION NEXT YEAR, IF THIS MADE IT TO THE BOND, AND AGAIN, WE HAD TO PICK SOMETHING, BUT OF COURSE, THIS IS FLEXIBLE.

IT WOULD BE THROUGH THE SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR TO GET THE DESIGN DONE.

YOU'D HAVE A MONTH OR TWO OF BIDDING AND AWARDING.

THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF WOULD TAKE YOU INTO THE FALL OF 2028.

NOW THE REASON IT'S SO LONG IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FINISH ONE PART BEFORE WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT, AND WE SHUFFLE THINGS AROUND, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> WE HAVE SOME OPENING, GRAND OPENING WOULD BE RIGHT AROUND THE END OF THE YEAR IN 2028.

IN TERMS OF BUDGET, WE BROKE IT UP FOR YOU IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

TO GET TO THESE NUMBERS, WE USED HISTORICAL DATA, BUT THEN WE ALSO USED A COST ESTIMATOR WHO LOOKED AT TODAY'S PRICES.

THE GOOD NEWS IS WE DID OURS AND LOOKED AT HISTORICAL DATA, THE NUMBERS WERE HIGHER.

BUT THE MARKET HAS IMPROVED SINCE IT DID THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.

THESE ARE PROJECTED ACTUALLY INTO THAT MIDPOINT OF CONSTRUCTION THAT I SHARED WITH YOU.

THESE ALSO BECAUSE WE'RE SO EARLY IN THE PROCESS, THEY CONTAIN A 15% DESIGN CONTINGENCY AS WELL AS ESCALATION TO THE MIDPOINT OF CONSTRUCTION.

THERE'S SOME EXTRA MONEY BUILT INTO HERE FOR THE UNKNOWNS.

YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT ABOUT 22 MILLION IN THE DRY AREA, ABOUT 18 MILLION IN THE WET, SITE IMPROVEMENTS, MAINLY THAT PARKING IMPROVEMENTS WE TALKED ABOUT ARE ABOUT 1.3.

WE'VE ALSO ADDED A PREMIUM TO DO LEAD SILVER, WHICH BASICALLY IS A LEVEL OF SUSTAINABILITY, IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT, BUT WE PUT IT IN THE BUDGETING PURPOSES TO CONSIDER.

AS YOU KNOW, THESE BUILDINGS ARE ENERGY USERS IN A BIG WAY.

ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO ON THAT END IS GOING TO PAY DIVIDENDS IN THE LONG RUN, AND WE'VE ADDED A CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY TO BRING A TOTAL PROJECTED COST OF AROUND 49 MILLION.

OF COURSE, THAT IS WITH A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS.

IT IS WISE TO DO A BUSINESS PLAN OR AN OPERATIONS PLAN ALONG WITH AN ARCHITECTURAL IMPROVEMENT SUCH AS THIS SO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE KNOWING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO OPERATE IT.

WHAT GOES INTO AN OPERATIONS PLAN? WELL, IT MAY NOT SURPRISE YOU THAT THE LARGEST COST IS GOING TO BE STAFFING.

WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

HOURS OF OPERATION AND UTILITIES ARE GOING TO BE BIG INFLUENCES ON YOUR OPERATIONS PLAN.

CUSTOMER SERVICE, WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE DO YOU WANT? BECAUSE THAT CAN AFFECT STAFFING WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN YOUR BUILDING THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE ALONG.

OF COURSE, FEES AND CHARGES, AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE MOVE TOWARDS A COST RECOVERY GOAL, A PERCENTAGE.

WHAT ARE WE AIMING AT HERE? WHAT WE FIND OUT ALL THE TIME IS THAT IT'S A PHILOSOPHY THAT EACH AGENCY, EACH CITY NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

COST RECOVERY IS PHILOSOPHICAL.

I'LL GET INTO THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

PRICING STRATEGIES WILL INFLUENCE THAT AND THEN OPERATIONAL SUPPORT.

THEN WHAT PARTICIPATION CAN WE EXPECT AND HOW ACCESSIBLE DO WE WANT THIS TO BE FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT? LIKE I KEEP SAYING, IT'S PHILOSOPHICAL AND WE'VE GOT THIS SPECTRUM HERE FROM ZERO COST RECOVERY TO 100% COST RECOVERY.

THE FIRST THING PEOPLE ASK ME ALL THE TIME IS WHAT'S THE STANDARD IN OUR REGION? WHAT'S THE STANDARD IN TEXAS? I WILL TELL YOU IT IS ALL OVER THE BOARD BECAUSE THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE VERY HAPPY WITH 33% COST RECOVERY AND THE PRICING IS VERY AFFORDABLE FOR ALL INCOME BRACKETS.

THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT STRIVE FOR 100% COST RECOVERY.

IT IS JUST UP TO EACH AGENCY.

THERE IS NO STANDARD.

IT IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO FIT THIS COMMUNITY THAT ULTIMATELY WE LAND ON.

WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.

BY THE RECOMMENDATION WE HEARD FROM THE EXECUTIVE STEERING COMMITTEE AND THE PARK BOARD, WE'RE STARTING AT 85% COST RECOVERY AS A GOAL.

HOURS OF OPERATION, THIS ALL ADDS UP TO 101 HOURS.

I WILL TELL YOU A LOT OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE OPERATING AROUND 96 HOURS.

YOU'RE ALREADY EXCEEDING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAN SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES AROUND YOU HERE.

AS FAR AS ASSUMPTIONS WE HAD TO MAKE, WE LOOKED AT THE WET AND THE DRY AREAS, THE SALARIES, WE HAD TO GO OUT TO A POINT IN TIME WHEN THE BUILDING WOULD OPEN IN 2028.

THAT'S WHAT'S DONE HERE.

WE LOOKED AT SUPPLIES IN 2028, AND THEN HOURS OF THE POOL.

WE BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE WISE TO CLOSE THE POOL DURING SCHOOL MONTHS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.

WHEN THE SCHOOLS GET OUT, THE POOLS GET BUSY AGAIN.

FAR AS REVENUE BUDGET GOES, NOW IT INCLUDES TOP DROP AND FITNESS CLASSES,

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WHEREAS RIGHT NOW YOU JUST PAY SEPARATELY FOR THOSE.

THAT IS INCLUDED.

THEN THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT NON-RESIDENTS WOULD PAY MORE THAN RESIDENTS.

THAT'S AT 25%, WHICH IS COMMENSURATE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET IS RIGHT NOW.

ADMISSION FEES WOULD BE RE EVALUATED WHEN THE BUILDING OPENS, BUT WE HAD TO PUT SOME MODELS TOGETHER BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW.

IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT STAFFING, AND WE SAID ALREADY THAT STAFFING IS GOING TO BE ONE OF YOUR GREATEST EXPENSES.

THAT FULL TIME WAGES AND BENEFITS, AGAIN, PROJECTED TO FISCAL YEAR 2028, THERE WILL BE SOME NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED TO RUN A BIGGER FACILITY.

THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED WITH THAT ASTERIK AND THAT DIFFERENT COLORED FONT THERE.

BUT IT'S ADDING ABOUT A TOTAL OF SIX RECREATION COORDINATORS.

THREE OF THOSE WILL BE NEW, SOME SUPERVISORS AND ACCOUNTING TECHNICIAN ALL IN ABOUT 1.4 MILLION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PART TIME STAFFING, MORE LIFEGUARDS, OF COURSE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A NEW POOL.

FITNESS ATTENDANCE, GYM MONITORS.

IT ALL ADDS UP TO ABOUT 57% OF YOUR EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE TOTAL WAGES AND BENEFITS.

IF YOU LOOK AT SUPPLY SERVICES, AND THEN WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND SETTING ASIDE AN ESCROW ACCOUNT, IF YOU WILL, FOR CAPITAL REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT AT 4%.

WHY DO WE RECOMMEND THAT? WE HAVE FOUND THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THAT ESCROW ACCOUNT, YOU CAN LEAN ON IT IF THE HVAC GOES DOWN.

IF YOUR ROOF GETS DAMAGED, AND YOU NEED TO REPAIR IT, THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S NICE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY FUND TO RELY ON.

ALL IN TOTAL, OPERATING EXPENSES, 5.9.

BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE OF THE LEDGER, THERE'S REVENUES.

WE SAID, WELL, WHAT ARE WE DOING RIGHT NOW AND WHAT ARE OUR NEIGHBORS DOING RIGHT NOW? IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOWER MOUND CAC, RIGHT NOW, COMPARISON TO THE MAQC SOUTHLAKE, APEX CENTER IN MCKINNEY, AND THE STEPHEN G. TERRELL RECREATION CENTER THAT JUST OPENED IN ALLEN, YOU CAN READ THIS FOR YOURSELF, BUT BASICALLY THE FEES AND CHARGES RIGHT NOW FIT IN WITH THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT YOU MIGHT COMPARE TO.

THAT'S FOR MONTHLY PASSES AND DAILY PASSES AND INCLUDES NON-RESIDENTS.

THAT'S ABOUT 25% OF NON-RESIDENTS WOULD BE PAYING ABOUT 25% OVER WHAT A RESIDENT WOULD.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FUTURE? WELL, THIS IS A DRAFT PROPOSED FEE INCLUSION WHICH YOUTH AND SENIORS WOULD BE COMMENSURATE TO EACH OTHER, THEY'D STAY REALLY CLOSE.

THEN THAT 25% DIFFERENCE AGAIN BETWEEN NON-RESIDENTS.

THEN I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS WOULD INCLUDE STANDARD FITNESS CLASSES AND CHILD WATCH.

NOW THE WORD STANDARD FITNESS CLASSES MEANS YOU SIGN UP FOR AN AEROBIC CLASS, MAYBE INTRO TO AEROBICS, VERY COMMON, YOU WOULD GO.

BUT IF IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF AEROBICS, IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT INSTRUCTOR THAT COSTS MORE, YOU MIGHT PAY MORE.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE.

WHAT ABOUT ADMISSION REVENUE.

WE EXPECT THAT 69% OF THE REVENUE FOR THE BUILDING WOULD COME FROM ADMISSIONS, AND THAT OTHER REVENUES WOULD MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE REST.

YOU CAN SEE WHAT THOSE ARE, SUCH AS DAY CAMPS AND OTHER EVENTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

THE TOTAL REVENUE AT FIVE MILLION, THAT GIVES YOU A COST RECOVERY WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENSES AND YOUR ANNUAL OPERATING REVENUES OF A COST RECOVERY OF 85%.

THAT'S WHAT OUR MODELS ARE SHOWING RIGHT NOW.

AGAIN, THAT'S PROJECTED OUT TO 2028, AND WE FEEL LIKE THESE ARE CONSERVATIVE.

WE ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE YOU CAN PROBABLY BEAT 85%.

WE'LL ALSO TELL YOU THAT TIME SOMETIMES WE'LL SEE THOSE DIP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THINGS COST MORE.

SALARIES GO UP, PULL CHEMICALS GO UP.

IN SUMMARY, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WHAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED BY YOUR EXECUTIVE STEERING COMMITTEE, WHAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE PARKS BOARD AND STAFF LOOKS LIKE THIS.

WE STARTED WITH THIS TRIANGLE, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT BALANCED.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROGRAM, IT CALLS FOR A RENOVATION OF 34,000 SQUARE FEET OF YOUR 60,000 SQUARE FEET THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE, AND ADDING 55,000 SQUARE FEET FOR A TOTAL OF 115 AT A BUDGET OF 49,100,000 CONTINGENT ON THAT MAY BOND PROGRAM.

NOW IF TIME IS ADDED TO THAT, THEN OF COURSE, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THAT THEN IN THAT MAY 2025 BOND PROGRAM, WE WOULD IMAGINE A GRAND OPENING IN THE FALL OF 2028 WITH AN OVERALL COST RECOVERY OF 85% FOR A LEAD SILVER BUILDING.

OUR NEXT STEPS IS TO GATHER YOUR INPUT TONIGHT AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

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WE'RE AT THE END OF OUR REPORT AND WE'LL BE ADDING YOUR COMMENTS TO THE REPORT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> IT'S QUITE THOROUGH.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I'VE GOT A LOT. THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE FOR THE CAC IS THAT IT'S LOCATED AT THE EXTREME SOUTHWEST QUARTER OF TOWN, ABOUT AS FAR AWAY FROM EVERYONE AS IT COULD POSSIBLY BE.

IN YOUR ANALYSIS WITH REACHING OUT TO THE PUBLIC, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE USERS ARE COMING FROM NORTH OF 1171 FROM WEST OF 2499?

>> YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT ONE?

>> FOOT FALL SLOP.

>> SORRY ABOUT MY FOOT FELL SLIP.

GIS HELPED US OUT TODAY.

WE APPRECIATE THEM AT THE LAST MINUTE PUTTING SOMETHING TOGETHER.

BUT WHEN WE RAN THAT REPORT BASED ON ACTIVE MEMBERSHIPS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU DO THE LINES, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, NORTH OF 1171, WEST OF 2499, WE'RE JUST UNDER 50% OF OUR TOTAL MEMBERSHIPS RIGHT NOW.

THOSE FOLKS LIVE OUTSIDE OF THOSE AREAS.

>> A LITTLE OVER HALF LIVE IN THAT QUADRANT OF THE TOWN THAT'S CLOSEST IN PROXIMITY TO THAT?

>> A LITTLE OVER HALF ARE MEMBERS OF THE CAC THAT LIVE IN

>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S BRINGING PEOPLE FROM FURTHER AWAY? [OVERLAPPING].

>> LET HIM ANSWER AFTER ME, BUT FIRST I WANT TO SAY WHEN THEY COME TO THE BUILDING, WE DON'T TRACK WHICH ROOMS AND WHAT AMENITIES ARE USING.

NOW, IF I WAS TO GIVE YOU MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, I THINK OUTDOOR AND INDOOR POOL ARE GOING TO BE BIG ONES THAT DRAW FOLKS FROM FURTHER AWAY.

I WOULD THINK OUR PROGRAMMING AND ATHLETIC LEAGUES WILL ALSO DRAW PEOPLE IN FROM FURTHER OUT. I'LL LET YOU GO.

>> WE BENCHMARKED OFF OF PAST FACILITIES TO LEARN.

WHAT'S WORKING, WHAT'S NOT WORKING? HOW CAN THEY HELP US BE BETTER DESIGNERS? HOW CAN WE ANSWER QUESTIONS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING NOW? WHAT WE FIND IS THAT OF PEOPLE THAT BELONG AS A MEMBER, 35% JOIN BECAUSE OF FITNESS: WEIGHT, CARDIO, THAT TYPE OF THING, SO 35% THAT BRINGS PEOPLE IN.

THE LEISURE POOL, JUST AS CHUCK SAID, THAT'S GOING TO BRING PEOPLE IN, THAT'S 22%.

THEN GYMNASIUM ACTIVITIES IS 17%.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THOSE KEY AREAS THAT CRAIG HIGHLIGHTED, WE'RE HITTING ON AND EXPANDING THOSE.

CONTINUING ON A LAP POOL BRINGS IN 13%.

A LEISURE POOL IS GOING TO BE A BIGGER DRAW, IF YOU WILL, AND I'LL BE ALL YEAR.

NEXT IS PROXIMITY TO WALK JOG TRACK.

HAVING A WALK JOG TRACK INSIDE OF YOUR BUILDING IS GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE IN SOCIAL SPACES.

>> YEAH, I DEFINITELY LIKE THE PLAN, AND I LIKE THE INDOOR POOL, SEEMS LIKE A REAL HOME RUN.

BUT I GUESS WHEN YOU DID YOUR OUTREACH, ALL THOSE DOTS ON SIGNS, WAS ANY OF THAT OUTREACH TO NON USERS, PEOPLE WHO AREN'T COMING TO THE CAC, MAYBE THEY'RE GOING TO LIFETIME OR CLUB FOR FITNESS OR SOMETHING?

>> DIFFICULT TO SAY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SCREEN PEOPLE FOR WHAT THEIR OTHER MEMBERS, I'M SORRY.

>> AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE THE WHOLE TOWN IS GOING TO VOTE ON THIS BOND.

IF THEY DON'T SEE THEMSELVES AS USERS OF THE FACILITY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S WHY I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT DELAYING THE INVESTMENT IN THE OUTDOOR WATER PARK BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE NUMBER 1 REASON THAT PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING TO THE CAC FROM WITHIN THE TOWN.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. THE INDOOR WATER PARK THOUGH MIGHT GET THEM THERE ALL YEAR ROUND, WHICH IS GREAT.

DO WE NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX A LITTLE BIT AND HAVE SOME THINGS THAT ARE DRIVING? WE HAD ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE FOR THE PUMP TRACK AT THAT PARKS BOARD MEETING.

WHAT IF WE TOOK THAT AREA WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING PARKING AND PUT A PUMP TRACK THERE? WOULD THAT GET PEOPLE TO COME OUT TO THE CAC THAT AREN'T COMING OUT TODAY? I THINK THAT WE MIGHT NEED SOME USES THAT ARE NOT TYPICAL IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE TO TRAVEL FURTHER SO THAT THEY'RE MORE WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS BOND ELECTION WHEN IT COMES FORWARD.

LET ME JUST ASK YOU A FEW MORE QUESTIONS HERE.

SLIDE 18, YOU HAD THE NEW OVERHEAD VERSUS THE OLD OVERHEAD? WHY MOVE THE BASKETBALL COURTS WHEN THERE ALREADY ARE BASKETBALL COURTS IN THAT LOCATION? WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR THAT?

>> YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT, CRAIG?

>> WELL, WE NEED MORE BASKETBALL COURTS.

THAT WAS THE NUMBER 1 THING.

AND WHERE THEY CURRENTLY ARE, THEY CAN'T BE EXPANDED.

YOU'D HAVE TO BREAK THEM UP AND PUT THEM IN TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

FROM A PROGRAMMING POINT OF VIEW AND A SYNERGY POINT OF VIEW, HAVING THEM IN TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IS LESS POWERFUL OR IMPACTFUL THAN HAVING IT IN ONE. THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER 2 IS BECAUSE YOU HAD THAT GYMNASIUM SPACE ALREADY AND IT

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WAS RIGHT NEXT TO AN IMPACTED FITNESS AREA, BY EXPANDING IT, NOW WE CAN CREATE A FANTASTIC FITNESS AREA FOR A FRACTION OF THE COST OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REPLICATE THAT IN A NEW BUILDING.

THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS WHEN THINKING ABOUT SPACES TO BUILD AND TO TRY TO USE RESOURCES EFFECTIVELY, GYMNASIUM SPACE IS SOME OF THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE SPACE TO BUILD, WHEREAS SOME OF OUR FITNESS SPACE ISN'T.

>> OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. FROM AN HOURS OF OPERATION PERSPECTIVE, IT SEEMS LIKE SUNDAY HOURS WERE PRETTY LIMITED.

SHOULD WE EXPAND SUNDAY MAYBE AT THE EXPENSE OF THOSE WEEKDAY.

LIKE 5:00 AM IS PRETTY EARLY.

SUNDAY WHEN THERE'S MORE WORKING PEOPLE HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO COME.

LOOKING AT OTHER FITNESS CENTERS AROUND TOWN, THEY SEEM TO OPEN AND HAVE MORE WIDER HOURS OF OPERATION ON SUNDAY.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT?

>> IT CERTAINLY IS. IT'S PHILOSOPHICAL..

WHAT YOU THINK IS GOING TO BEST FIT YOUR COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S HOW YOU CAN SET ESTABLISH THOSE HOURS.

I WOULD ALSO CONSIDER HOW MANY USERS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE FACILITY.

WHEN THE STAFF OUTNUMBERS THAN PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN THE LIGHTS ARE ON THE UTILITIES ARE RUNNING, THERE'S A BUSINESS SIDE TO THIS TOO.

I WOULD DELAY ON THAT DECISION UNTIL YOU GET A LITTLE MORE INPUT.

BUT CERTAINLY YOU COULD SET THOSE HOURS ANYWAY YOU LIKE.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHEN THE STAFF OUTNUMBER THE PUBLIC? IS AT 5:00 AM ON TUESDAY?

>> EARLY IN THE MORNING ON SUNDAYS, THERE'RE GOING TO BE MINIMAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THERE.

I'M USING GRAPEVINE AS A BENCHMARK BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND WE JUST COMPLETED A STUDY WITH THEM TO EXPAND THE RECREATION CENTER.

SUNDAY EVENINGS CAN SOMETIMES BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE; GETTING READY FOR THE WEEK, DOING HOMEWORK, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT GOT DELAYED OVER THE WEEKEND.

SOMETIMES THAT DOES INFLUENCE THE HOURS.

BUT LET ME TELL YOU, THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT STAY OPEN TILL 7:00.

IT'S WHATEVER YOU DECIDE.

>> YOU MENTIONED 85% COST RECOVERY, 25% INCREASE FOR NON RESIDENTS.

DOES THAT GET THEM THE NON-RESIDENT TO FULL COST RECOVERY?

>> IT'S NOT A 25% COST INCREASE.

GO AHEAD. COME ON UP HERE, TRAVIS.

>> CAN YOU ASK THAT ONE MORE TIME. WE TALKED ABOUT GETTING TO 85% COST RECOVERY BASED ON THE REVENUES AND THAT NON-RESIDENTS WERE GOING TO PAY A 25% PREMIUM OVER RESIDENTS.

DOES THAT 25% PREMIUM GET THE NON-RESIDENT TO FULL COST RECOVERY FOR THEIR SHARE OF WHAT THEY'RE PAYING?

>> THAT GETS US TO THE 85% OVERALL, AND WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND MAKE THAT COUNT.

>> MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE NON-RESIDENT SHOULD PAY WHATEVER THE FULL COST RECOVERY AMOUNT IS AND THEN THE SUBSIDY IS ONLY FOR THE RESIDENT.

THAT'S THE POINT I WAS GETTING TO. WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.

>> WE CAN CHECK THAT NUMBER AND SEE.

>> THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THE USES THAT WE HAVE OTHER THAN THE WET AREA, I THINK THE WET AREA, 100%.

I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S FOR USERS WHO ARE COMING FROM FURTHER AWAY.

SOMEONE WHO'S DRIVING FROM STONE HILL FARMS OR FROM CANYON FALLS, THEY MAY NOT LOOK AT THIS AND GO, I'M 100% IN FAVOR OF A $60 MILLION BOND FOR AN EXTRA BASKETBALL COURT AND SOME FITNESS CENTERS,WHEN I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE IN MY OWN BACKYARD THROUGH SOME OTHER PROVIDER.

>> NOW, IF YOU DO THE LARGE GYMNASIUM RATHER THAN DIVIDING IT INTO TWO COURTS OR TWO GYMNASIUM AREAS, HOW MUCH OF THAT FIELD SPACE ARE YOU TAKING UP?

>> YOU HAVE A FULL-SIZED SOCCER FIELD THAT COMES OVER THAT WAY AND COVERS A PORTION OF THE DFW AREA GAS LINE THAT GOES TO DFW THERE.

IT CAN BE RELOCATED.

THERE'S ROOM TO MOVE OVER.

IT'S NOT A HUGE IMPACT OF THE PARK FROM OPINION.

I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

HE'S AN ARCHITECT. I DESIGNED PARKS FOR OVER 38 YEARS, AND I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT A BIG IMPACT ON THE PARK.

THE FOOTPRINT THAT WE'RE IMPOSING ON THERE. JUST MY OPINION.

>> THESE GYMNASIUMS ARE USED MOSTLY FOR COMPETITIONS, TOURNAMENTS.

>> I THINK THIS IS GOING TO TAKE HERE YOUR COMMUNITY NEEDS.

IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE SURVEY RESULTS, PEOPLE WANT MORE COURTS.

THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ACTIVITIES TO GO IN AND SHOOT BASKETS AND PICK UP GAMES AND BE TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PRIMARILY SERVE.

NOW, THEY MIGHT DO SOME LEAGUES IN TOURNAMENTS, WOULD YOU SAY?

>> LET ME SAY I WILL SAY RIGHT NOW THE GYM SPACE IS AT A PREMIUM.

WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT LOVE TO PLAY BADMINTON.

WE HAVE SPECIAL DAY SET UP FOR BADMINTON, WE HAVE SPECIAL DAY SET UP FOR PICKLE BALL PLAYERS.

WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PLAY VOLLEYBALL.

TO SET THOSE UP, YOU'RE BASICALLY TAKING A WHOLE HALF OF THAT GYM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IF YOU'RE PLAYING VOLLEYBALL WITH ONE COURT FOR VOLLEYBALL.

THERE'S A LOT OF USES.

THERE'S A LOT OF RENTAL OPPORTUNITIES.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A LOT OF TEAMS THAT LOVE TO RENT GOALS FOR

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PRACTICE WITH THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF.

WE CAN DO THEIR REVENUE PRODUCING TYPE RENTALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO BRING IN GROUPS.

YOU CAN HAVE NETTING THAT DROPS DOWN AND YOU CAN DO INDOOR BATTING CAGES IN THERE.

YOU CAN FUTSAL AND DIFFERENT SOCCER THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO IN THOSE.

LIKE IS VERY RUGGED DURABLE SPACE THAT YOU CAN DO.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN PROGRAM AND DO THAT WE CAN'T DO RIGHT NOW, AND I ALSO IS A MUCH LARGER SPACE.

WE WON'T HAVE MAYBE QUITE AS MANY ISSUES WITH PEOPLE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

FOLKS STILL WANT TO DISPLAY, GO IN AND SHOOT SOME HOOPS, AS WELL AS RUNNING LEAGUES.

WE'LL DO VOLLEYBALL LEAGUES, WE DO BASKETBALL LEAGUES, WE COULD DO BADMINTON TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THERE AS WELL.

>> WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF YOU DID THE TWO GYMNASIUMS VERSUS THE ONE HUGE ONE WHERE YOU SEPARATED, YOU HAD TWO SEPARATE ONES BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT [OVERLAPPING].

>> I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THERE WAS SOME PLANS WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT WERE EVEN BIGGER.

WHEN WE TALK TO STAFF THAT WORKS THERE AND WE'RE TALKING TO FOLKS THAT YOU DID THE SURVEYS THAT SHOWED UP AT THE MEETINGS, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW TIGHT ALREADY IT IS IN THERE AND HOW LITTLE SPACE THERE IS.

GO IN THERE WHEN THE KIDS ARE JUST PLAYING OPEN GYM BASKETBALL, IT IS JAM PACKED.

SOME PEOPLE PROBABLY GET PUSHED OUT THAT ARE SMALLER FROM THE BIGGER KIDS THAT ARE PLAYING.

I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW, IT'S GREAT THE AMOUNT OF SPACE WE'RE PROPOSING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROGRAMMING.

ALSO, I'LL JUST BRING UP THE FACT THAT OUR FITNESS FLOOR RIGHT NOW IS ONLY 3,300 SQUARE FEET. IT'S VERY TINY.

WE HAVE NO PLATE LOADED EQUIPMENT ON THERE OTHER THAN A SMITH MACHINE, WHICH HAS AN ATTACHED BAR TO IT.

LOT OF FOLKS DON'T JOIN OUR CENTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PLATE LOADED FREE WEIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU CAN DO.

THIS WILL OPEN UP A WHOLE NEW OPPORTUNITY ON FUNCTIONAL TRAINING AND A LOT OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE, I THINK WE DRAW A TON OF PEOPLE TO OUR FACILITY.

>> JUST TO TIE ON TO THAT REAL QUICKLY.

I DO HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS I AM GOING TO HOLD TO NOT PUT MY FINGER ON THE SCALE OF THE COMMITTEE.

I'LL RESERVE THOSE FOR A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THIS PROCESS.

BUT SPEAKING OF ADDING THE CAPABILITY, THE FREE WEIGHTS.

ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES, I THINK THERE ARE 14 ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE UPON, EXCEPT FOR THE OUTDOOR AQUATICS.

WE'RE GOING TO HIT ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

ARE WE IMPACTING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IN A MEANINGFUL WAY THAT WILL ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF THE SERVICE THAT WE OFFER, BRING MORE PEOPLE IN, OR I DON'T MEAN TO MINIMIZE WHAT WE'RE DOING OR IS IT JUST CHECKING A BOX TO SAY, HEY, YOU WANTED THIS AND WE'RE DOING SOMETHING, THAT'S NOT REALLY BE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT.

I WONDER IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT JUST FOR A MINUTE.

>> IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE OFFERED, CROSS THAT LINE SO THAT IT WAS BIG ENOUGH TO BE EXCITING, MEANINGFUL, AND PROGRAMMABLE.

OF COURSE, WE'RE CONSTRAINED BY THE SITE.

WE'RE CONSTRAINED BY THE EXISTING BUILDING, AND OF COURSE, BUDGET.

WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO START WITH.

BUT NO, WE FEEL LIKE THE AREAS THAT WE'VE ADDED, THE COMBINATION OF THE GYM THAT SUPER SIZE WITH THE ADDED ELEMENT OF THE TURF.

FITNESS AREAS, THE VARIETY OF THINGS, EVEN WITH THAT ELEVATED TURF AREA THAT COULD BE INDOOR, OUTDOOR. IT'S GREAT.

THREE GROUP FITNESS ROOMS OF VARIOUS SIZES.

WE THINK ARE GOING TO BE REALLY DYNAMIC IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF PROGRAMMING THAT WE'RE OFFERING.

THE INDOOR PLAY THING IS AN EXCITING THING THAT PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO HAVE AND HAVING IT FRONT AND CENTER, WE THOUGHT WAS, AGAIN, PRETTY EXCITING.

IT'LL ACTUALLY GO UP AND WRAP AROUND THE TRACK AND ENCAPSULATE THAT.

I THINK IT'LL BE A VERY UNIQUE FEATURE.

NO, I DON'T THINK WE'VE OVERLY COMPROMISED IN ANY OF THE AREAS.

IN FACT, I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT JUST ENOUGH CAPACITY TO DO SOME REALLY EXCITING THINGS.

WILL THIS FACILITY BE THE END FACILITY FOR YOUR TOWN? NO. BUT IN TERMS OF WHERE YOU WANT TO BE, WE THINK, FOR THE NEXT 10, 15 YEARS.

YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY AMAZING FACILITY IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CAPACITY AND THE VARIETY OF THINGS THAT CAN BE OFFERED.

>> THEN FOR ONE OF THE SPECIFICS, THE RELOCATION OF THE CONCESSION AREA TO THAT RIGHT OR I GUESS THE EASTERN SOUTHERN SIDE BY THE NEW GYM AND THEN ALSO SHARE THAT SPACE AT THE OUTSIDE.

IT'S TUCKED AWAY OVER THERE, AND USED TO BE MORE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING.

IS THERE A CONCERN THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE CENTRALLY LOCATED FOR THE OTHER USES THAT ARE OCCURRING IN THE BUILDING?

>> WELL, WE CAN BRING STAFF UP HERE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

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STRATEGICALLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS IT REALLY HAS TWO DYNAMIC USES.

ONE IS WHEN THE OUTDOOR WATER PARKS OPEN.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S PROBABLY ITS BIGGEST USE.

IT'S NOT REALLY OPEN THE REST OF THE YEAR.

IT'S REALLY AN EXPANDED OPPORTUNITY TO COMBINE IT WITH THIS LARGE GYMNASIUM.

IMAGINING THAT THERE COULD BE LEAGUE PLAY A QUANTITY OF PEOPLE THERE AND A CONSISTENT BASIS THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO OPEN UP A SNACK BAR AND HAVE IT ACTUALLY OPEN BEYOND THE NORMAL SEASONAL OPENING THAT IT IS NOW JUST FOR THE POOL.

SO BY POSITIONING IT THERE, WE THINK IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE IT MORE VALUABLE THAN WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS.

>> THEN I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION IS A NUMBERS QUESTION AND NOT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO THOSE DETAILS.

BUT PROBABLY NOT IN THE CONTEXT OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, BUT TWO THINGS, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A COPY OF THIS PRESENTATION? THEN SECONDLY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT A COMPARISON OF OUR EXISTING EXPENSES AND REVENUES COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING IN 2028 AFTER THIS RENOVATION?

>> YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY.

>> GREAT IDEAS. I LIKE THE PROPOSAL COULD START, GREAT PLACE TO EVALUATE.

I JUST HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST RECOVERY CALCULATION.

WE'RE INCLUDING THE EXPENSES FOR MAINTAINING THE FACILITY, INCLUDING THE REVENUE THAT WE'LL GET YEARLY, BUT WE'RE NOT INCLUDING THE BUILDING COST.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MANIPULATIVE ON WHAT THE TOWN AND TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO INVEST IN THESE.

>> ARE YOU SAYING THE CAPITAL COST?

>> YES, CAPITAL COSTS OF BUILDING?

>> I WOULD SAY COMMUNITIES THAT WE WORK WITH ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON THEIR REVENUE IS PAYING FOR THEIR OPERATIONS, AND CAPITAL IS USUALLY FUNDED IN ANOTHER PLACE.

IF YOU APPLY CAPITAL COSTS TO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY REDUCE THAT COST RECOVERY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE GOING OUTSIDE TO PAY FOR THE WALLS AND PARKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

YES, WE COULD APPLY IT TO IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN 85% COST RECOVERY.

>> I AGREE. YEAH, AND I THINK IT'S MUCH LOWER, BUT I THINK IT'S A BETTER EVALUATION FOR OUR COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE ALL THE DIFFERENT ITEMS AND TRYING TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION.

I'D LIKE THAT TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT PROPOSAL.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, THAT'S A GOOD START TO THIS PROJECT.

I THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING AND PRESENTING ON THAT.

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE BLUE-RIBBON COMMITTEE TO TAKE THIS APART AND COME BACK TO US. MAYOR, IF I MAY.

>> TERESA HERE SIR.

>> YES.

>>WE DID RECEIVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT CARD ON THIS ITEM, AND I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THIS RESIDENT SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AT PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR THE BLUE-RIBBON COMMITTEE GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ACTION ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

>> WHAT YOU SAID YOU DO HAVE SOMEBODY? [BACKGROUND] GOT YOU. FROM EARLIER.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. WE HAVE THE ITEM NUMBER 4,

[K.4. SP23-0014 - Silver Pagoda Addition - Consider a request for a Site Plan (SP23- 0014 – Silver Pagoda Addition) to develop a Religious assembly and a rectory, with a partial exception to Section 82-302, Compatibility buffer, of the Code of Ordinances. The property is generally located at the western terminus of Cherokee Path. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 6 to 0 at its June 24, 2024, meeting.)]

SP23-0014 SILVER PAGODA EDITION.

THIS IS GOING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A SITE PLAN TO DEVELOP A RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY AND A RECTORY WITH A PARTIAL EXCEPTION.

LEXON MURPHY, TO PRESENT. THANK YOU, LEXON.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A SITE PLAN REQUEST.

HERE IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE CHEROKEE PATH TERMINATES ONTO THE PROPERTY.

IT IS SOUTH OF FLOWER MOUND ROAD.

HERE'S A MORE DETAILED VIEW.

THERE IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY THAT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED FOR THE NEW RELIGIOUS FACILITY TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

THE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE ZONING IS SINGLE FAMILY 15.

THE PROPOSED RELIGIOUS FACILITY AND ASSOCIATED RECTORY ALLOWED BY RIGHT WITHIN THIS ZONING.

IT'S NOT THE USE THAT IS A QUESTION BEFORE THE COUNCIL TONIGHT.

HERE'S THE SITE PLAN.

YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE PROPOSING ABOUT 4,548 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, AND IT'S JUST LOCATED AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY HERE.

THE MAJORITY OF THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS SAYING UNDEVELOPED.

THEY ARE UTILIZING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

THE REASON THAT THIS IS BEFORE COUNCIL,

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IS BECAUSE THERE IS A PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFER.

SO THE TOWN'S NORMAL STANDARD IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A 25 FOOT COMPATIBILITY BUFFER ANYWHERE WHERE YOU'RE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

AND WITHIN THAT BUFFER, YOU WOULD HAVE APPROXIMATELY ONE TREE PER 500 SQUARE FEET.

AND SO BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY, JUST TO SHOW YOU AGAIN, IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL.

THEY BASICALLY HAVE A COMPATIBILITY BUFFER REQUIREMENT THAT TOTALLY SURROUNDS THE PROPERTY.

BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY DO REQUIRE AN EXCEPTION IN THESE AREAS THAT ARE NOTED IN RED HERE.

HERE IS WHERE THE PROPERTY WOULD BE ACCESSED.

AGAIN, IT'S KEEPING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

IT'S NOT THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A BUFFER NEXT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE CHEROKEE PATH IS DEAD ENDING.

IT'S COMING THERE FROM THE SOUTH BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY EXISTS RIGHT HERE, SO THAT 25 FOOT BUFFER WOULD NORMALLY BE REQUIRED RIGHT THERE TO THE SOUTH WHERE IT'S ADJACENT TO THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

IT'S ABOUT 50 FEET HERE AND THEN ANOTHER 25 FEET OR SO RIGHT HERE UP ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS TO ACCOUNT FOR THE HAMMERHEAD THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE FIRE LANE SO THAT FIRE TRUCKS WOULD BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND ON THE PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT DOES FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE FIRE LANE THAT WOULD HAVE THE LEAST IMPACT TO TREES ON THE SITE AS WELL AS THE OVERALL TOPOGRAPHY.

THAT IS WHY THEY SELECTED THIS EVEN THOUGH THERE WOULD BE A COMPATIBILITY BUFFER MODIFICATION NEEDED FOR THAT PORTION OF THE LAND.

I KNOW WE DID HAVE SOMEONE SPEAK EARLIER DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS AND HAD SENT A COUPLE OF MESSAGES THAT ARE FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD HERE TO THE NORTH THAT HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER THE TREE ROOTS THAT WOULD BE PLANTED WITHIN THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFER COULD IMPACT THEIR RETAINING WALL.

THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RETAINING WALL THERE FOR THE CREEKSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU CAN'T SEE IT AS MUCH IN THIS PICTURE BECAUSE THIS WAS THE OLDER VERSION. LET ME JUMP AHEAD.

THEY DID MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THIS BUFFER.

THEY HAVE MOVED ALL THE TREES AT LEAST 10 FEET BACK FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE TO TRY TO MINIMIZE ANY IMPACTS AS WELL AS INCLUDING A NOTE THAT STATED THAT, IT'S HARDER TO TELL BECAUSE YOU'RE MEASURING FROM THE TRUNK AND THIS IS SHOWING THE WHOLE CANOPY.

BUT THEY DID PUT THEM 10 FEET BACK.

THAT BEING SAID, I DOUBT THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH NOT PLANTING SOME OF THESE TREES.

THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT TREE CANOPY THAT PROVIDES SOME SCREENING FROM THE ADJACENT NON RESIDENTIAL USE.

BUT IF THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AND JUST AGAIN, DUE TO THE VARIATION IN HEIGHT, I THINK IT WOULD BE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THOSE TREES WOULD GROW TO A HEIGHT WHERE THEY COULD BENEFIT FROM THEM.

BUT THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO PROVIDE A VISUAL LANDSCAPE SCREEN FOR THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL AND HAS A PRESENTATION CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO THEM IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE OPEN TO.

I CAN SAY FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH REDUCING THAT IF THE RESIDENTS THAT IT'S THERE TO BENEFIT ARE ASKING FOR IT.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE INTENT WAS.

>> LEXON, IS THERE ANY CONCERN WITH MOVING THOSE TREES INTO THE 60 FOOT COMPATIBILITY SETBACK? JUST TO PUSH THEM EVEN FURTHER AWAY.

>> THERE AGAIN, THERE WOULDN'T BE A CONCERN FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS OUT THERE AND WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR HAD ANY FUTURE PLANS I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THE TREES WOULD LESS BE PERFORMING THEIR INITIAL INTENTION OF PROVIDING A VISUAL SCREEN, THE FURTHER IN YOU MOVE THEM IN THE PROPERTY, BUT STAFF DOESN'T HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT.

>> THE VISUAL SCREEN REQUIREMENT.

THE STRUCTURE, IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT, LOOKS TO BE IN THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WHICH WILL BE TORN DOWN.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THE VIEW OF THE REST OF THE PROPERTY ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE THAT MUCH? LIKE WHAT WOULD BE THE SCREENING FROM JUST VACANT GREEN SPACE AREA?

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>> IT'S A GENERAL STANDARD THAT THE TOWN HAS WHENEVER YOU HAVE ANY NON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BUILT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BECAUSE IT'S, FIVE ACRE PROPERTY AND SO MUCH OF IT IS UNDEVELOPED, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY REALLY SCREENING ANYTHING PARTICULARLY IN THAT AREA.

BUT WE HAVE TO APPLY THE STANDARD, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. BECAUSE IN MANY OTHER CASES, THERE WOULD BE A NECESSITY FOR SCREENING.

BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT THE EXTRA TREES BECAUSE OF STRUCTURAL CONCERNS OF THEIR RETAINING WALL.

I THINK SOMEONE WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT LEAF DEBRIS COMING INTO THEIR YARD AND SUCH.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE APPLICANTS TAKE ON IT BECAUSE I'M OPEN TO ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTIONS.

>> YEAH, I WOULD AGREE. WE HAD A LOT OF EMAILS ON THIS.

>> I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT SEVERAL EMAILS TALKED ABOUT, AND I THINK THE EXPERT WAS SAYING THAT THERE WERE SOME TALL TREES CHOSEN.

IS THAT GIVEN THAT THE RETAINING WALL IS SO HIGH WERE THOSE CHOSEN BY CHOICE?

>> OUR NORMAL STANDARD FOR A COMPATIBILITY BUFFER IS FOR SHADE TREES.

BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT WITHIN THAT COMPATIBILITY BUFFER THAT YOU WILL PLANT UNDERSTORY SHRUBS.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A WHOLE SOLID VISUAL SCREEN.

YOU HAVE THE SHRUBS UNDERNEATH AND THEN YOU GROW THE SHADE TREES, GROW UP OVER THEM, AND SO IT'S A WHOLE SOLID LANDSCAPE SCREEN.

AGAIN, THAT'S WHY OUR ORDINANCE DIRECTS PEOPLE TO PICK FROM THE TREES THAT ARE ON OUR SHADE TREE LIST.

>> GOT YOU. THANK YOU.

>> LEX, IF THIS IS SF 15 ZONING?

>> YES.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> SOMEONE WANTED TO COME IN HERE AND BUILD 12 OR 15 HOUSES AND THEY COMPLIED WITH ALL OF OUR STANDARDS AND THIS WOULDN'T EVEN COME TO US.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

>> THEY WOULD JUST BE APPROVED BY RIGHT.

SO IF WE WERE TO DENY THIS COMPATIBILITY BUFFER EXCEPTION, THE PROJECT COULD STILL MOVE FORWARD.

THEY WOULD JUST NEED TO REORIENT THIS HAMMERHEAD AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO ABOUT THEIR ACCESS.

IT'S EXISTING.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL COULD COMPLETELY DENY THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFER EXCEPTION.

YOU COULD FOR THE HAMMERHEAD BECAUSE THAT COULD BE RELOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THEIR SITE.

>> MY IMPRESSION AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS THAT THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFER EXCEPTION, THE TWO RED BOXES AS THEY DID THE TREES.

>> RECEPTION AS WELL.

>> IT'S ALL IMPACTING THAT.

>> I THINK THERE WAS ONE EMAIL THAT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE THE RESIDENT WANTED A DENIAL ON HAND.

I THINK THAT THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD NEIGHBOR TO HAVE COMPARED TO 12 OR 15 HOUSES, IN MY OPINION.

IF WE CAN JUST GET THE TREES LOCATED IN A WAY THAT MAKES EVERYONE HAPPY.

IS THERE A PROCESS HOW WE HAD INTRA 18 THAT IF THE NEIGHBOR WANTED A FENCE, THEN THEY WOULD BUILD THEM FENCE.

IS THERE A PROCESS HERE WHERE IF THE NEIGHBOR DOESN'T WANT THE TREES AND THEY CAN JUST SIGN OFF AND SAY, I DON'T WANT ANY TREES AND THEN THAT WOULD WAIVE THEIR REQUIREMENT OR WHAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO COLLABORATE HERE AND GET SOMETHING THAT'S WORKS FOR EVERYBODY?

>> TYPICALLY, JUST THE COUNCIL YOU AND THE APPLICANT CAN TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THIS NORTHERN PORTION, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY ASKING FOR ANY EXCEPTION TO THAT.

SO IT WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO TELL THEM YOU HAVE TO GET PERMISSION, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THEY'RE ALREADY MEETING THE STANDARD.

WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING TO THEM ABOUT WELL, MAYBE YOU COULD DO A LESSER STANDARD.

>> IF THE NEIGHBOR SAYS, I'LL WAVE.

IF ONE OF THESE NEIGHBORS MIGHT SAY, WELL, I WANT BIG TREES RIGHT NEXT TO MY FENCE, SO I DON'T HAVE TO EVER LOOK AT THIS THING.

IF WE SAY, WELL, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, DON'T DO ANY OF THEM, THEN THAT GUY MIGHT COME BACK LATER AND SAY, WELL, HANG ON A SECOND.

IS THERE A PROCESS WHERE IF THEY SAY, I'VE GOT FIVE TREES HERE NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY OWNER? IF THAT PROPERTY OWNER SAYS, NO THANKS.

I DON'T WANT ANY TREES NEXT TO MY WALL, THEN THEY CAN JUST SIGN AWAY.

>> BRIN, I WAS GOING TO LOOK AT YOU AND SEE IF YOU HAD ANY THOUGHTS.

>> THE ONLY THOUGHT I HAVE WOULD BE TO TABLE THIS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING THAT WAS MUTUALLY AGREEABLE AND THEN TAKE THAT BACK SO THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T LEAVE AN ADJACENT NEIGHBOR HANGING.

>> OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

>> WELL, I DON'T MIND TABLING IT IF IT COMES TO A BETTER OUTCOME FOR EVERYONE.

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BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE APPLICANTS PRESENTATION AND THEN SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON THIS TABLING AND POSSIBLE NEGOTIATING.

>> HERE'S SOME PICTURES FROM THE SITE.

THIS IS COMING UP CHEROKEE.

THIS IS CHEROKEE PATH HERE AND THIS IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY INTO THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS LOOKING NORTH, AGAIN, ONCE YOU MAKE THAT INITIAL TURN, LOOKING UP THE DRIVEWAY ONTO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

THIS IS LOOKING DIRECTLY WEST.

THERE IS A ASPHALT PATH THAT RUNS ALONG THAT SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, AND THIS WOULD BE REMOVED SO THAT THE ADDITIONAL TREES ALONG THE SOUTHERN COMPATIBILITY BUFFER COULD BE PLANTED.

THEN THIS IS LOOKING NORTH UP THAT PROPERTY LINE.

AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL PLANTING THAT WOULD OCCUR HERE ALONG THAT EASTERN PROPERTY LINE AS WELL.

AGAIN, HERE IS THE SITE PLAN.

THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE TWO GARAGE PARKING FOR THE RECTORY, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER RESIDENTS IN TOWN.

AND THEN FOR THE CHAPEL, IT'S ONE PER THREE SEATS IS THE STANDARD.

SO WITH 24 PROPOSED SEATS WITHIN THEIR CHAPEL, THEY WOULD NEED EIGHT SPACES.

THEY'RE PROVIDING 10 SPACES, WHICH IS WITHIN THAT ALLOWABLE 20% DEVIATION.

OVERALL, THERE WOULD BE 10 PARKING SPACES CONSTRUCTED.

AGAIN, HERE'S THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN.

LOOKS LIKE THEY MODIFIED IT SOME ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY, BUT OUTSIDE OF THOSE TWO SECTIONS, WE'RE CURRENTLY MEETING ALL OF THE TOWN STANDARDS AND PRESERVING ALL THE TREES THAT ARE NOTED AS EXISTING TREES WITH THOSE LARGER CIRCLES.

HERE'S THE ELEVATIONS OF THE PROJECT.

IT MEETS THE TOWN'S URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, COLORS AND MATERIALS, ROOF PITCH, ALL THINGS ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN STANDARDS.

AND SO THEY'RE HERE JUST A COUPLE OF RENDERINGS AS THEY DID THAT THEY DID.

THIS IS ONE FROM THE SOUTHEAST.

SO AGAIN, THERE'S THAT SITE PLAN.

THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION, BUT WHY DON'T WE BRING THE APPLICANT UP HERE, SO YOU ALL CAN TALK TO THEM.

>> JUST LEAD IT OUT.

>> THE IRONY IS THAT THEY'RE THE SAME IMAGES.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS JAVIER ESPINOZA.

I'M THE ARCHITECT. WE HAVE THE OWNER HERE IS ACTUALLY HERE TODAY TOO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS I THINK THIS IS A SMALL BUILDING, AND HOPEFULLY THE PRESENTATION HERE IS, BRIEF AND ENOUGH TO HAVE SOME CONFIDENCE IN WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

THE FIRST THING IS THAT, YES, AS THEY ALLUDED EARLIER, WE HAVE A DETERIORATING BUILDING THERE NOW.

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR ACTUALLY SEVERAL YEARS HERE WITH STAFF AND OTHERS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RESOLVE A DETERIORATING BUILDING IN A WAY THAT'S COMPLIANT WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCES AND ALSO ONLY WHAT THEY NEED, SOMETHING THAT'S COST EFFECTIVE.

TO BEGIN WITH THE SCALE OF THIS BUILDING IS PROBABLY COMMENSURATE WITH MOST OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE AROUND IT AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS A ONE STORY BUILDING.

THERE ARE PROBABLY TWO STORY HOUSES AROUND US.

CLEARLY, THE REST OF THE SITE DOESN'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE CURRENT THOUGHT IS THAT IT STAYS PASTORAL AND AGRARIAN.

WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO TAKE EVERYBODY'S INPUT.

AND WITH RESPECT TO THE HAMMERHEAD QUESTION THAT HAS COME UP, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT WAS REALLY LOCATED IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL.

THERE IS SOME EVIDENCE THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT ON THE ONE HAND, IT'S A QUESTION, WHY WOULD WE NEED A HAMMERHEAD BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS SO SMALL.

THAT LEADS YOU TO ANOTHER ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH SAYS THAT BUILDINGS OF A CERTAIN SIZE HAVE TO HAVE A FIRE SPRINKLER AND THEN THAT LEADS YOU TO IN THE GLOBAL CONSIDERATION OF A BUILDING OF THIS SIZE, YOU NORMALLY WOULDN'T HAVE A COMMERCIAL GRADE FIRE SPRINKLER AND KICK IN ALL THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF YOUR ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE ACCOMMODATING.

SO THE LOCATION OF THAT HAMMERHEAD WAS ACTUALLY THROUGH A VARIETY OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS THAT WE HAD SHOWN, AND THIS WAS THEIR PREFERRED VERSION OF THAT.

I GUESS THE OTHER UNDERSTANDING THAT I HAVE FOR THE ACTUAL ENTRY REQUEST IS THAT ON THE ONE HAND, I GUESS AS IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME IS THAT THERE'S A TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT FOR REQUEST TO HAVE ACCESS, BUT THAT I THINK SOMEWHERE ELSE IN ANOTHER ORDINANCE,

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YOU CAN'T DENY ACCESS TO THE SITE.

I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO ONE, WHICH IS THE HAMMERHEAD AND THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE IS THAT THAT'S WHERE WE WERE DIRECTED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL.

WITH RESPECT TO THE TREE CONVERSATION, AFTER THE P&Z MEETING, WE ACTUALLY HAD A QUICK MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THE LOBBY RIGHT AFTER.

AND THEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, WE QUICKLY MODIFY THE DRAWING BASED ON WHAT WE THOUGHT WE HEARD, WHICH WAS TO PULL THE TREES OFF OF THE RETAINING WALL.

THEN THE NEW INFORMATION TODAY FROM THE SAME CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAD RECEIVED IN YOUR EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS OVER THE WEEKEND AND LAST WEEK.

AGAIN, WE DISCUSSED VERY QUICKLY.

WE'RE AMENABLE TO DELETING TREES, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.

WHETHER THAT'S WITH ANOTHER ENTITY, I GUESS OR SOME OTHER ORGANIZE THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.

WE WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT DIRECTION COME FROM STAFF, THAT, YES, PER OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND DELETE THE TREES.

THAT WOULD BE EASIER FOR US.

AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE TOWN ATTORNEY WOULD TAKE THAT, BUT YOU CAN IMAGINE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE DIFFICULT FOR US PROBABLY TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT AS OPPOSED TO DIRECTION FROM STAFF.

AND I'M THINKING JUST MECHANICALLY HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE? I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE FOR THE MOMENT.

WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE?

>> IT SEEMS LIKE WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A STANDSTILL ON THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH THIS NEGOTIATION.

I'D WANT OUR STAFF TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT NECESSARILY.

WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF TABBING THE DECISION TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN ALL TALK ABOUT THE BEST WAY FORWARD FOR THIS NEGOTIATING?

>> I GUESS I DON'T SEE IT IN A COMPLICATED WAY.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD RESOLVE.

I'D LIKE TO RESOLVE IT IF WE COULD.

IF IT'S AS SIMPLE AS DELETE THE TREES, THEN WE'RE OPEN TO DELETING THE TREES.

>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY A CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS.

IT'S MORE OF THE DISTANCE OF THE TREES TO THEIR RETAINING WALL, NOT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE TREES.

I THINK IT WAS THE NUMBER OF THE TREES AND HOW CLOSE IT WAS TO THE RETAINING WALL.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> ON THIS LOT, WE'RE CHANGING A THIRD OF THE ACREAGE MAYBE DOING THIS RENOVATION OF THIS BUILDING.

WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS LOT, RIGHT?

>> YEAH. THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING.

>> YEAH. I THINK I FEEL LIKE MY PERSPECTIVE IS WE'RE BEING A LITTLE BIT OVER BURDENSOME BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY CHANGING THIS SMALL PIECE OF THIS LOT.

IF THERE IS DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WANT TO DO ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE LOT, THEN WE CAN REEVALUATE THE ADDITIONAL TREE BUFFER AT THAT POINT.

>> I FEEL LIKE REMOVING THE TREES IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION NOT TO CAUSE ADDITIONAL COST.

>> ALL OF THE TREES?

>> ON THE WEST SIDE. SO ON THE WEST SIDE THAT'S NOT BEING RENOVATED AND REDEVELOPED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT.

>> IT'S THE NORTH SIDE.

>> THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

WELL, WHAT WE UNDERSTAND TODAY, MOST OF THE CONCERN FROM THE RESIDENCE IS IS ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.

>> BUT YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ON THE NORTH EAST STORE THAT SOUTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU'RE ONLY CHANGING THE SMALL PART OF THE PROPERTY.

>> I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT CORRECTLY. YES.

>> WE'RE LITERALLY NOT TOUCHING THE NORTH, WEST OR THE SOUTH.

>> WHY IS IT CHANGING?

>> WE'VE ONLY TRIED TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE.

>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S WHY IT'S OUR REQUIREMENT.

>> YEAH, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S A BIG LOT AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING OVERBURDENSOME ON THIS DEVELOPMENT BY JUST CHANGING A SMALL PIECE OF IT.

>> SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY ASK THE RESIDENTS TONIGHT, CAN WE? WE CAN'T ASK THEM TO COME UP AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?

>> WELL, YOU CAN, TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE HERE, ABSOLUTELY, YOU CAN COMMENT AND DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH NO NEW TREES PLANTED?

>> ARE THERE RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO COME FORWARD DUE NORTH?

>> AND IF YOU COULD JUST SAY YOUR NAME.

>> VANEE [INAUDIBLE] 1813 JOHNSON PLACE IN MY COMMUNITY THAT IS BORDERING THIS PROJECT.

>> MR. VANEE, I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU REAL QUICK.

CAN WE GET THE LANDSCAPE PLAN?

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>> YES, SO WE CAN LOOK WHILE YOU'RE TALKING.

>> THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU.

>> OUR REQUEST WAS WE'RE PROVIDING SOME OPTIONS.

ONE OPTION WAS MOVING THE TREES FARTHER AWAY FROM THE RETAINING WALL. THAT'S ONE OPTION.

THE OTHER OPTION THAT WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PROPOSE IS CHANGING THE TYPE OF TREES SO THAT THEY'RE NOT AS BIG AS THE ONES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.

AND WE ARE OPEN TO ANY OPTION THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT THE RETAINING WALL AS WELL AS THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJOINING THAT WALL.

>> WHEN YOU SAY MOVE THE TREES FURTHER BACK. HOW MANY FEET?

>> IN THE REPORT THAT WE GOT FROM THE [INAUDIBLE] I BELIEVE IT WAS 50 FEET,.

>> FIFTY? FIVE ZERO?

>> YES. THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION.

>> THAT'S A LOT. I THOUGHT I HAD SEEN IN EMAILS 20 FEET.

>> YES. STEVE CAST 317 BRIDGEWATER PLACE.

SO WE HAD A TREE EXPERT WRITE UP A REPORT FOR US.

I THINK THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE, I TALKED TO TWO DIFFERENT TREE LIKE WE HAD PURCHASED TREES FROM FANNIN TREE FARM AND I TALKED TO SOMEBODY THEY DIDN'T EVEN SEND ME AN EMAIL, BUT THEY SAID, IN GENERAL, YOU SHOULDN'T PLANT THOSE SIZED TREES LIKE WITHIN 20 FEET OF A BUILDING OR A STRUCTURE.

THE REPORT FROM BARTLETT TREE EXPERTS RECOMMENDED AT LEAST 25 FEET, I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS.

AND SO I THINK MAYOR PRO TEMP, YOU SAID IT RIGHT, IS THAT THEY'RE ONLY CHANGING WHERE THE TEMPLE IS.

WE'VE LIVED FOR EIGHT YEARS WITH THAT SAME VIEW, AND NOTHING'S CHANGING THERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED THE ADDITION OF THOSE TREES.

>> IT'S JUST BECAUSE OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES IT.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE CAN ALL DISCUSS WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS.

AND SO I THINK THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE A VERY GOOD SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS IF NO TREES HAD TO BE PLANTED.

IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION TO THE NEIGHBORS, IF NO TREES ARE PLANTED, NO NEW TREES?

>> COME ON UP.

>> IF YOU COULD JUST YOU HAVE TO SAY YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE.

>> [INAUDIBLE] 305 BRIDGE WATER PLACE.

I'M RIGHT BEHIND THE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION.

TALL BUILT THAT WALL, IT'S LIKE 15 FEET TALL, AND IT'S ALL LIKE STONE WALL AND SOME OF THEM STAYING ON THE FENCE WOODEN FENCE TOP ON THAT LIKE 10 FEET TO A STORE THING, AND THEN TOP ON THAT ANOTHER EIGHT FEET WOODEN FENCE.

AGAIN, IF YOU PLANT THESE BIG TREES, IT'S GOING TO BE IMPACT ON THE WHOLE CONSTRUCTION.

>> ARE YOU OKAY IF WE ALLOW THEM TO NOT PUT ANY NEW TREES?

>> YES.

>> SO HOW MANY PEOPLE THERE'S LIKE 16 HOMES RIGHT THERE, RIGHT?

>> THERE'S LIKE SIX HOMES ON THE NORTH.

>> OH, THERE'S SIX?

>> ON THE NORTH.

>> OKAY. AND WE'VE GOT FIVE OF YOU RIGHT HERE SAYING NO TREES.

[LAUGHTER]

>> I CAN SEE MORE PEOPLE.

>> OKAY.

>> GOOD.

>> CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE, AND ADDRESS?

>> [INAUDIBLE] 405 BRIDGEWATER PLACE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT LOT OVER HERE.

>> YOU'RE OKAY WITH NO TREES?

>> I'M OKAY WITH THE TREES BEING PLANTED WITH THE PROFESSIONAL ARBORIST RECOMMENDATION.

>> TWENTY FIVE FEET?

>> RIGHT.

>> COME BACK TO THE APPLICANT.

IS THE APPLICANT OPEN TO PUSHING THE BUFFER FROM 10 FEET TO 25 FEET, SO THE TRUNK IS 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE?

>> YEAH. IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE EAST NORTHEAST CORNER, IN THE HAMMERHEAD LOCATION, THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE SPOT WHERE IT WON'T WORK.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR THAT.

>> WE WOULD ALMOST RATHER MAKE A SIMPLER PROPOSAL HERE, WHICH WOULD BE, LOOK ON THE NORTH END, FOR SURE, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE HAD SOME CONSENSUS THAT WE DELETE THOSE TREES.

I WOULDN'T SAY THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS EXPRESSED ANY CONCERNS FROM THE WEST SIDE.

BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A RETAINING WALL OVER THERE, TOO.

TO COUNCILMAN DREW'S POINT, THE TRUTH IS WE HAVE TREES EVERYWHERE.

>> THERE ARE SOME EXISTING TREES I SEE ON THE WEST.

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BUT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT, CONSIDERING WAIVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR YOU TO ADD NEW TREES.

I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE LEAVING THE EXISTING TREES.

I APPRECIATE THAT VERY, VERY MUCH.

ARE YOU OPEN TO A 25 FOOT BUFFER ON THE WEST SIDE FOR THE NEW TREES? BECAUSE PRESUMABLY, YOU ALL MIGHT WANT TO HAVE MORE OF A BUFFER ZONE FROM THE INSIDE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT ALL THE RETAINING WALLS AND THE FENCES.

IT MIGHT BE FOR YOUR BENEFIT AND YOU MAY WISH TO DO THAT.

>> YEAH, I WOULD SAY THIS JUST TO PROTECT AGAINST FUTURE.

IF SOMEBODY CAME IN THERE AND ADDED HOUSES, AND THIS MAY BE WAY BEYOND US, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE THING THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH, PUSHING THE TREES FURTHER AND FURTHER IN TO THIS PROPERTY.

>> IN CASE THEY WANT TO PUT HOUSES THERE.

>> WELL, IN CASE SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING THERE.

>> OR SELL THAT PROPERTY, PART OF IT.

>> MAYBE.

>> BUT IF THAT IF THAT WAS THE CASE, IT WOULD COME BACK TO US.

>> WELL, CAN WE JUST LOOK AT ELIMINATING THE TREES ON THAT WEST BOUNDARY? THE NEW TREES ON THE WEST BOUNDARY.

>> NORTH.

>> THE WEST BOUNDARY AND THE NORTH BOUNDARY.

>> I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THE WEST BOUNDARIES.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THERE AS WELL.

>> IS THAT SAME HOA?

>> [OVERLAPPING] YES, SAME HOA.

>> YOU'RE ALSO REPRESENTING THE WEST SIDE BOUNDARY?

>> RIGHT THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYBODY ON THE WEST SIDE.

I DON'T KNOW. BEN, HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANYBODY OVER THERE?

>> THEY HAVEN'T VOICED ANY, BUT IT'S A SIMILAR OPINION THAT WE WOULD WANT FOR THE [INAUDIBLE].

>> HAS THAT RETAINING WALL BEEN REBUILT TOO? BECAUSE THEIR CONCERN IS THAT THEY HAD REBUILT PART OF THE NORTH.

BUT DID ANY OF THE WEST EVER GET REBUILT?

>> NO.

>> COULD WE JUST MAKE IT A STATEMENT WHERE WE DON'T PUT THE TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT THEN ON THE WEST SIDE, DON'T ADD THE TREES UNLESS THE HOMEOWNERS COME FORWARD? CAN WE DO THAT THEN? THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IT NOW.

>> YOU CAN'T DELEGATE A GOVERNMENTAL ACTION LEGISLATIVE BODY ACTION TO A PRIVATE CITIZEN UNFORTUNATELY.

THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU'D BE DOING.

YOU WOULD SAY, IF RESIDENT X SAYS NO, THEN THE REQUIREMENT AUTOMATICALLY DISAPPEARS FROM THE SITE PLAN.

YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE THAT, UNFORTUNATELY.

>> IF WE ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT ON THE WEST EDGE AND THE NORTH EDGE, TO CHRIS'S POINT, IF SOMETHING ELSE DOES COME IN ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT REQUIRES COUNSEL ACTION, WE'D HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THEN TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL BUFFER.

BUT SINCE THAT IS NOT BEING TOUCHED NOW, LET'S NOT SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

>> IS THAT RIGHT, LEXON THAT IF THEY WANTED TO PUT ANOTHER BUILDING IN THE OPEN SPACE, THAT THAT WOULD RE-TRIGGER THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFERS IF IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY EXCEPTIONS?

>> THAT IS MY CURRENT UNDERSTANDING WITH RESPECT TO OTHER DISCIPLINES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.

>> YEAH, I THINK I'LL LOOK AT BRENT SO YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I THINK YOU COULD, IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE THIS SITE PLAN WITH A MODIFICATION TO THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFER SO AS NOT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ON THE NORTHERN OR WESTERN SIDES UNLESS.

>> SUBJECT TO A TRIGGERING REQUIREMENT OF ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY, AND THAT CAN BE A CONDITION OF THE WAIVER THAT IS UNIQUE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

>> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A NICE COMPROMISE FOR EVERYONE.

EVERYONE AGREES IT'S GOOD?

>> THERE WAS ONE GENTLEMAN WHO DID WANT THE TREES.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS OR DID YOU WANT?

>> THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD.

>> YES. APPRECIATE YOU ATTENDING. MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

>> THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE COME FORWARD.

I THINK WE'RE READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> WE STILL GOT TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> NO. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC.

WE JUST ALLOWED THEM TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> I CAN MAKE A MOTION IF YOU WANT.

>> BRIAN CAN MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT.

MOVE TO APPROVE REGULAR ITEM K4 WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFER OF THE ADDITION OF TREES ON THE WEST AND NORTHERN SIDES OF THE PROPERTY NOT BE REQUIRED UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER QUALIFYING EVENT IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT.

>> WE MAY NEED TO SAY WHAT A QUALIFYING EVENT IS, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW RULE THAT IS UNIQUE TO THIS PROPERTY.

I'LL DEFER TO LEXON IF THEY SAID A SEPARATE LAND USE.

>> COULD WE SAY UNLESS NEW NON RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION IN THE FUTURE?

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>> RESIDENTIAL WOULDN'T REQUIRE A BUFFER BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL.

>> GOOD POINT.

>> CAN I JUST AMEND THAT MOTION TO SAY A QUALIFYING EVENT IN THE FUTURE THAT INCLUDES THE USE OF NON RESIDENTIAL ON THAT PROPERTY?

>> THE ADDITION OF A NEW NON RESIDENTIAL.

>> ADDITION OF NON RESIDENTIAL USE ON THAT PROPERTY.

>> SECOND.

>> TERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. CAN YOU TAKE THE ROLL?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER WERNER.

>> ACTING MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

>> COUNCILMEMBER DREW.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR.

>> THAT PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

CONGRATULATIONS, Y'ALL.

MATT WOODS IS GOING TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION FOR ITEM NUMBER 5,

[K.5. TRP24-0005 - St. Philip the Apostle Catholic Church - Public Hearing to consider an application for a tree removal permit (TRP24-0005) for three (3) specimen trees on property proposed for development as St. Philip the Apostle Catholic Church for the proposed development Phases II and III. The property is generally located south of Cross Timbers Road, west of Flower Mound Road, and east of Scenic Drive. (The Environmental Conservation Commission recommended approval of two (2) trees (#7158 and #7159) and denial of one (1) tree (#4726) by a vote of 5 - 0 at its July 2, 2024, meeting.)]

THE ST. PHILIP THE APOSTLE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FOR THREE SPECIMEN TREES ON THE PROPERTY PROPOSED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AT ST. PHILIP THE APOSTLE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

>> MAYOR, BEFORE WE START THE PRESENTATION, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT I AM A PARISHIONER OF ST. PHILIP CHURCH.

ALTHOUGH I CONSULTED WITH BRIAN AND HE SAID, I AM NOT BY LAW REQUIRED TO RECUSE MYSELF, I LIKELY WILL BE ABSTAINING FROM VOTING ON THIS ITEM.

>> I MENTIONED, THIS IS A REQUEST TO REMOVE THREE SPECIMEN TREES FROM THE ST. PHILIP THE APOSTLE CHURCH PROPERTY.

HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROJECT SITE.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE AERIAL, THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING CHURCH THERE, PHASE 1, CONSTRUCTED IN 2021 OR 2022, SO IT HAS THE DRIVE AISLES, PARKING, AND THE EXISTING FACILITIES.

THE PROJECT IS APPROXIMATELY 39 ACRES IN SIZE, IT'S AG ZONED AND IS MASTER PLAN IN THE CROSS TIMBERS CONSERVATION DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

THE SITE DOES CONTAIN 59 SPECIMEN TREES AND ADDITIONAL PROTECTIVE TREES ON THE PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REMOVE THESE THREE SPECIMEN TREES AS PART OF THE PHASE 2 AND 3 PORTION OF THE SITE.

THERE ARE NUMEROUS, AS THE BULLET NOTES UP ABOVE, WITH THE 59 SPECIMEN TREES AND ADDITIONAL PROTECTED TREES ARE NUMEROUS PRESERVATION CREDITS.

THE PRESERVATION CREDITS EXCEED ANY MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS, SO NO MITIGATION OR ADDITIONAL TREES OR FEES IN LIEU OF TREES ARE REQUIRED DUE TO THOSE CREDITS.

THE TREES BEING REQUESTED FOR REMOVAL ARE THESE THREE.

TREE 7158 IS A 27 INCH POST OAK, TREE 7159 IS A 24 INCH POST OAK, AND TREE 4726 IS A 26 INCH POST OAK.

THE COMPLETE TREE SURVEY WAS INCLUDED IN THE BACKUP OF THE AGENDA PACKET.

BUT I'LL BACK OUT OF THE PRESENTATION HERE AND PULL UP A MORE DETAILED VERSION.

YOU CAN ZOOM IN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THESE THREE TREES IN MORE DETAIL.

TREE NUMBER 7158 AND 7159 ARE IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED LIFE CENTER.

TREE 4726 IS IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED DROP OFF LANE OR DRIVE AISLE HERE CONNECTED TO THE EXISTING CIRCLE DRIVE.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE HERE, IT NOTES THE EXISTING CHURCH IS ON SITE IS ALL READY.

THESE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTS SHOW THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS FOR PHASE 2 AND 3.

THAT WAS AT THEIR JULY MEETING.

THAT ACTUALLY CONCLUDES MY SLIDES.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND A PRESENTATION.

THEY HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW AS WELL.

>> I WAS AT THAT ECC MEETING AND TREE NUMBER 4726, THERE WAS A WAY TO CHANGE THAT WALKWAY OR THAT DRIVE, SORRY, THAT DRIVE TO GO AROUND THAT POST OAK, CORRECT?

>> I'LL LET THE APPLICANT GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT BASICALLY, IT'S THE IMPACT UNDER THE CANOPY OR THE CRITICAL ROOTS UNDER THE TREE WOULD BE SO SUBSTANTIAL, THEY'D HAVE TO RELOCATE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE POSSIBLY.

THEY MAY HAVE MORE DETAILS, MAY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT FURTHER.

BUT THE CURRENT LOCATION,

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YOU'D HAVE TO REALLY SHIFT IT PRETTY FAR AROUND AND ALSO AVOID TREE 4725 TO THE NORTHEAST OF THAT TREE.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THEY GET THERE IF THEY NEED THIS DRIVE AISLE FOR THAT AREA.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME OR I CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP.

>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS, MATT.

>> THANKS.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS JEFF MILES REPRESENTING ST. PHILIP CHURCH TONIGHT.

JUST A REAL BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR PROJECT, JUST SO YOU HAVE SOME CONTEXT.

THIS AREA HERE, IF YOU CAN SEE MY HAND, THAT'S THE EXISTING CHURCH THAT'S OUT THERE TODAY THAT I'M CIRCLING.

OUR PHASE 2 PROJECT IS ACTUALLY THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE.

THEN THESE ARE SOME FUTURE PHASES THAT AREN'T IN CONSIDERATION OF TONIGHT.

THEN OUR PHASE 3 PROJECT IS THIS EXTENSION OF THE SANCTUARY BACK TO THE EAST.

THE TREE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN QUESTION IS RELATED TO THIS DRIVEWAY THAT GOES HERE THAT SERVES THE COVERED PORTE-COCHERE.

THAT PORTE-COCHERE IS USED FOR BAD WEATHER DROP OFF, ELDERLY DROP OFF, AND THEN FUNERALS IN BRINGING CASKETS IN AND OUT.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS VERY INTEGRAL PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE CHURCH ITSELF.

LET'S SEE.

HOW DO I MOVE THIS? I JUST DO.

MAYOR, YOU SAID YOU WERE AT THE MEETING, I THINK WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND I SHARED THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE HERE, THE PURPLE IS THE PROPOSED AS THE ARCHITECT HAS DRAWN DRIVEWAY THAT GOES AND SERVES THE PORTE-COCHERE, WHICH IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE.

WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE COULD PULL THIS RADIUS OF THIS DRIVEWAY BACK TO PROBABLY AROUND THIS DOTTED PURPLE LINE, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT.

THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO COME RIGHT NEXT TO THE TRUNK OF THE TREE, BUT WE'D STILL BE UP UNDERNEATH THE TREE.

WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AT THE ECC IS GO AHEAD AND GET APPROVAL OF REMOVAL OF ALL THREE TREES, BUT THEN WORK WITH STAFF AS WE START DEVELOPING THIS AREA, THE PLANS TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO MOVE THAT DRIVEWAY AND MAKE IT WORK AND ACTUALLY LAY IT OUT ON THE GROUND AND SEE IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING, EVEN WITH MAYBE PAVEMENT, CHANGING THE TYPE OF PAVEMENT, WHERE IT'S MORE OF A POROUS TYPE PAVEMENT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

THAT'S OUR INTENTION.

WE'RE SUPER FOCUSED ON PHASE 2 RIGHT NOW AND GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN PLANS ON THAT.

PHASE 3 IS COMING IN BEHIND IT, BUT IT'S LAGGING.

BUT I GUESS WE WERE TRYING TO REALLY AVOID TO COME BACK TO DO THIS AGAIN FOR THAT PHASE 3.

TRYING TO DO BOTH OF THESE AT THE SAME TIME.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> LOOKING AT THAT OVERHEAD, AND THIS IS PROBABLY FINE, IT SEEMS A LITTLE ODD TO ME THAT YOU HAVE THIS CIRCLE DRIVE.

YOU HAVE ANOTHER CIRCLE COMING OFF THE CIRCLE DRIVE.

IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE BIT UNNECESSARY TO HAVE THIS EXTRA.

YOU COULD PROBABLY INCORPORATE THIS DROP OFF POINT INTO THAT CIRCLE DRIVE YOU ALREADY HAVE, WHICH IS ALREADY A DEAD END.

>> WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THIS IS A FIRE LANE.

THEN WE'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE'RE PUTTING A COVER OVER A FIRE LANE AND I'M NOT THE FIRE CHIEF, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT'S ALLOWED TO PUT A COVER OVER THE FIRE LANE.

>> YOU DON'T THINK YOU COULD JUST ADD A LITTLE LIKE EXTRA NOTCH RIGHT THERE?

>> NOTCH OUT ON THAT?

>> YEAH, OR SOMETHING.

>> I DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GET INTO THE ARCHITECTURE.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NO, THAT WE CAN'T DO IT, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

>> IT SEEMS POSSIBLE, TO ME.

>> COULD BE.

>> THAT ROUNDABOUT, IS IT FOR ACTUAL PEOPLE DROP OFF?

>> THE PURPLE?

>> YEAH, THE PURPLE.

>> YES. IT'S FOR RAINY DAY, IT'S FOR ELDERLY, IT'S FOR LIKE I SAID, FUNERALS.

I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SIT IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO GET DROPPED OFF RIGHT HERE AND THEY WALK RIGHT INTO THE FRONT OF THE CHURCH.

>> YEAH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF TRYING TO INTEGRATE IT INTO THE CURRENT ROUNDABOUT AND TRYING TO SAVE THAT TREE.

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>> I DO TOO.

>> BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S LAID OUT THAT WAY.

>> I JUST FEEL ARCHITECTURALLY, WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO IT.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE. I FEEL LIKE WE CAN WORK TOWARDS IT.

IF THE MOTION TONIGHT IS, LOOK, LET'S JUST DO WHAT THE ECC RECOMMENDED, WAS TO TAKE THE TWO TREES OUT AND NOT APPROVE THAT ONE, IF WE REALLY JUST CAN'T WORK IT OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON ARCHITECTURALLY, WE'LL COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AND WORK ON THAT ONE, SO WE'RE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT.

>> I LIKE IT.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS, NOTHING.

ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? THIS IS OPEN. WE'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS?

>> I THINK THEY GAVE US OUR WALKING PAPERS, OUR MARCHING ORDERS, I SHOULD SAY.

>> ON THIS MOTION, DO WE NEED TO JUST AS PRESENTED BECAUSE IT'S THE ECC RECOMMENDATION, OR DO WE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY THE TREES TO APPROVE AND NOT APPROVE?

>> CANDIDLY, I CAN'T RECALL HOW WE'VE DONE IT.

OBVIOUSLY, IT'S MOST CLEAR IF YOU SPECIFY WHICH TREE.

>> WE CAN DO THAT.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY DID IN ECC.

>> WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF TREE 7158 AND SORRY, I CAN'T SEE THE NUMBER.

>> 7159.

>> 7159 AND DENY 4726.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. TERESA, CAN YOU TAKE THE ROLE?

>> I'M SORRY. WHO WAS THE SECOND?

>> JAVIER.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER DREW.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SCHIESTEL [PHONETIC].

>> MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

<< ABSTAIN.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER WERNER.