M.1. Notice of Intent 2024 CO- Consider approval of a resolution approving and authorizing publication of notice of intention to issue Certificates of Obligation, Series 2024, in the principal amount not to exceed $7,715,000, for the purpose of paying for waterworks and sewer system improvements.

[M.1. Notice of Intent 2024 CO- Consider approval of a resolution approving and authorizing publication of notice of intention to issue Certificates of Obligation, Series 2024, in the principal amount not to exceed $7,715,000, for the purpose of paying for waterworks and sewer system improvements.]

M ONE.

SORRY. NOTICE OF INTENT, 2024 CO STAFF PRESENTATION BY MISS JULIE TAYLOR, DIRECTORY OF TREASURY.

AND ALSO MICHAEL MARTIN WITH HILLTOP.

SO GOOD EVENING, MA'AM.

GOOD EVENING. AND THANK YOU FOR ACCOMMODATING US AND GIVING US A LITTLE AHEAD.

TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT THE NOTICE OF INTENTION TO ISSUE THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION FOR 2024.

IT WOULD BE AN A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF 7,715,000.

AND THERE WILL BE $400,000 FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS, 2.9 MILLION FOR UTILITY CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR WATER PROJECTS, AND 7.2 MILLION FOR WASTEWATER PROJECTS.

IN OCTOBER, THE TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION.

AT THAT TIME, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT WAS 9,125,000.

TWO PROJECTS HAVE BEEN DELAYED UNTIL THE NEXT OR DEFERRED UNTIL THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, SO THAT REDUCED OUR AMOUNT BY 1.4 MILLION.

THIS NOTICE OF INTENT WILL BE ADVERTISED IN THE DENTON RECORD-CHRONICLE AND ALSO ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE FOR 30 DAYS, 31 DAYS FOR THE PAPER AND 45 FOR THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.

AND IT WILL COME BACK BEFORE YOU IN JUNE 17TH FOR YOUR APPROVAL FOR A PARAMETERS ORDINANCE TO ISSUE THE CODES AND WITH THE PARAMETERS ORDINANCE THAT WILL ALLOW JAMES THE TOWN MANAGER AND JOHN, THE CFO, TO SIGN THE DOCUMENTS WITH THE PRICING TO BE PLACED ON THE 18TH.

IF THE MARKET CONDITIONS AREN'T FAVORABLE, WE HAVE UP TO SIX MONTHS IN WHICH TO CONDUCT THE SALE.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL ASK MICHAEL TO COME UP.

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AND HE HAS SOME WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES.

HE HAS SOME INFORMATION ON THE ISSUES.

YES. GOOD EVENING SIR.

THANK YOU. JULIE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MICHAEL MARTIN WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES.

THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH LAST YEAR TO ACCOMMODATE OUR CEO.

AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO ADD IN A REFUNDING THERE AS WELL.

RIGHT NOW FOR THE CEO, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 3.75% INTEREST RATE OVER 20 YEARS.

I'M SEEING RATES GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

THEY'VE KIND OF STABLED OUT BECAUSE THE FED IS THINKING THERE MIGHT NOT CUT RATES UNTIL A LITTLE FURTHER LATER OUT.

WE'LL KEEP MONITORING THAT.

BUT OVERALL, IT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY SOLID BOND MARKET TO BE IN.

MOVING TO THE REFUNDING, WE HAVE THE 2014 A GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING BONDS AND THE 2015 A CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION THAT ARE CURRENTLY CALLABLE.

AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING AT ABOUT 7.5% OF OBLIGATIONS BEING REFUNDED WILL BE THE NET PRESENT VALUE SAVINGS, ABOUT $660,000 OVER 11 YEARS.

AND SO WE COMBINE THESE CEOS AND THE REFUNDING TOGETHER TO REDUCE THE ISSUANCE COSTS.

SO YOU ONLY HAVE TO PAY THE RATING AGENCIES ONCE INSTEAD OF TWICE.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU MR. MARTIN COUNCIL.

MICHAEL, THERE'S SOME SPECULATION THAT RATES MAY GO DOWN IN JUNE.

WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO WAIT UNTIL JUNE OR WE HAVE WE ALREADY FACTORED THAT IN.

YOU'RE STILL FACING INTEREST RATE RISK.

SO IT'S YOU.

THEY COULD GO UP. THEY COULD GO DOWN.

MOST LIKELY THEY WILL GO DOWN.

BUT IT'S MORE OF A MATTER OF WHEN AND NOT IF.

SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE TO MONITOR.

BUT THIS IS PRETTY GOOD SAVINGS AS IT IS.

AND LIKE TO TAKE THE BIRD IN THE HAND WITH THIS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU ALSO SAID JULIE, THAT IF WE APPROVE IT TODAY, WE HAVE BASICALLY SIX MONTHS.

SO EVEN IF THE INTEREST RATES DO GO DOWN IN THE SUMMER, WE WE CAN STILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT BY BRING IT BACK ON JUNE 17TH WITH THAT ORDINANCE.

WHEN YOU APPROVE THAT, THAT WILL GIVE US A SIX MONTH TIME FRAME.

OKAY. JUST TO CLARIFY THOUGH, THAT WOULD ALSO PUSH BACK IF YOU WANTED TO DO THE CO AND THE GEO TOGETHER, THAT WOULD PUSH BACK GETTING THE FUNDS FOR THE CEO.

RIGHT. WHICH WE LOSE SOME.

YOU END UP PAYING MORE FOR ISSUANCE COSTS, RIGHT? OKAY COUNCIL.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.

IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE TO APPROVE REGULAR ITEM MM1 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION? THERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER DREW.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE, AND COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL.

AYE. ITEM M ONE PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

RIGHT AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING UP TO ITEM K.

[K. CLOSED MEETING]

THE TIME IS NOW 6:58, AND THE TOWN COUNCIL IS CONVENING INTO A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551, SECTION 071072074 AND 087.

[L. RECONVENE]

ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS NOW 7:40 IN THE TOWN COUNCIL IS RECONVENING INTO AN OPEN MEETING.

THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF OUR CLOSED MEETING.

SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON TO ITEM M TWO SP 23-0019.

[M.2. SP23-0019- Take 5 Oil Change- Consider a request for a Site Plan (SP23-0019-Take 5 Oil Change) to develop an auto repair garage with an exception to Section 82-302, Compatibility buffer, of the Code of Ordinances and a waiver to the Architectural Standards in the Town's Urban Design Plan for roof pitch. The property is generally located south of Justin Road and west of Meadow View. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 6 to 0 at its March 25, 2024, meeting.)]

STARTING US OFF AS USUAL WILL BE MISS LEXIN MURPHY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WELL THERE'S AN EXCEPTION AND A WAIVER REQUEST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO THAT'S WHY THE COUNCIL IS SEEING IT.

HERE IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S SOUTH OF JUSTIN ROAD AND WEST OF, I GUESS, MEADOWVIEW MOBILE HOME PARK.

HERE'S A MORE DETAILED VIEW.

THIS WAS THE FORMER CAPS FACILITY IS AN OLD GAS STATION.

THAT CANOPY HAS ACTUALLY BEEN TORN DOWN.

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CURRENTLY THIS IS AN OLDER AERIAL VIEW.

THE LAND USE FOR THE PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, AND THE ZONING IS INDUSTRIAL ONE.

HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

SO IT'S A TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A SITUATED SO THAT IT FACES EAST WEST.

THAT WAY IT DOESN'T HAVE BAYS THAT ARE FACING DIRECTLY TOWARD JUSTIN ROAD, WHICH IS ONE OF THE TOWN'S REQUIREMENTS.

IT IS MEETING ALL OF THE TOWN'S CURRENT REGULATIONS BESIDES THE TWO.

LIKE I SAID, THE EXCEPTION AND THE WAIVER THAT'S BEING REQUESTED, OUR STANDARD REGULATIONS, THEY ARE PUTTING IN THE FULL 25 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

A LOT OF THAT IS CONCRETE RIGHT NOW, SO THAT'LL BE A DEFINITE IMPROVEMENT TO THE SITE.

AGAIN, HERE'S THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THAT LANDSCAPING THERE.

THE FIRST REQUEST THAT THEY ARE MAKING THE EXCEPTION REQUEST IS FOR A COMPATIBILITY BUFFER.

SO NORMALLY BECAUSE THERE IS PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED AGRICULTURE NEXT TO IT WE CONSIDER THAT A RESIDENTIAL USE.

AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN THE TOWN'S RESIDENTIAL COMPATIBILITY BUFFER, 25 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND A MASONRY WALL.

HOWEVER, THAT PROPERTY WHERE THE AREA WHERE THAT COMPATIBILITY BUFFER WOULD GO IN HAS ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED WITH AN ACCESS EASEMENT, AND IT PROVIDES ACCESS TO BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED FURTHER SOUTH.

SO IT'S IT'S KIND OF IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO GO IN IN THAT LOCATION.

THE PREVIOUS BUSINESSES, THAT OFFICE WAREHOUSE PROPERTIES LOCATED TO THE SOUTH, THEY ALSO GOT THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFER EXCEPTION IN THE PAST WHEN THEY CAME IN.

SO THEY HAD KIND OF ALREADY REQUESTED THAT FOR THEIR PORTION.

SO IT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED AS THE MEANS OF ACCESS FOR THE BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA.

SO I THINK IT IS A LOGICAL REQUEST BASED ON HOW THE SURROUNDING AREAS DEVELOPED.

THE OTHER REQUEST THAT THEY'RE MAKING IS A WAIVER REQUEST FOR ROOF PITCH.

SO BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS SMALLER THAN 15,000FT², OUR NORMAL REGULATIONS WOULD REQUIRE IT TO HAVE A PITCHED ROOF BETWEEN 612 AND 912.

AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED THE PITCH ON THEIR TOWER ELEMENT TO KIND OF IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THE STRUCTURE.

BUT THERE IS THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING THAT PITCH FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

SO THERE IS A GOOD BIT OF IT THAT HAS A FLAT ROOF.

NOW, AS I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE REASON FOR THAT PITCH REQUIREMENT IS TO PROVIDE MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL LOOK, IT'S ASSUMING THAT THE SMALLER BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS, AND TO PROVIDE A MORE OF A TRANSITION AND COHESIVE DESIGN.

AND THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE A REAL DESIGN PROBLEM TO TO GRANT THE ROOF PITCH WAIVER.

WELL, PLUS LEXIN, THE TWO INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS ARE LESS THAN 15,000FT² EACH.

AND WE GRANTED THAT WAIVER FOR THOSE TWO UNITS AS WELL.

YES, THEY GOT MERITORIOUS DESIGN EXCEPTIONS AND REQUESTED NOT JUST THE ROOF PITCH WAIVER, BUT A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS AS WELL.

YEAH. SO HERE'S THE EXISTING SITE.

THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHWEST.

THIS IS THE THE OLD BUILDING THAT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.

IT'S GOING TO BE A COMPLETE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

AND THIS IS LOOKING EAST KIND OF ACROSS THIS.

I DO BELIEVE THE THOSE TANKS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THE AREAS KIND OF TORN UP STILL.

THIS IS LOOKING NORTHEAST.

AND THIS IS LOOKING DOWN THAT ACCESS EASEMENT.

AGAIN, IT PROVIDES ACCESS, LIKE I SAID THE BUILDINGS TO THE FURTHER SOUTH.

AND THIS IS THE ALPHA WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE LOCATED TO THE SOUTH BEHIND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

SO AGAIN, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN.

THE BUILDING ITSELF IS JUST A LITTLE LESS THAN 1300FT².

AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE HAVING THEIR QUEUING TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING.

CAN SEE THEY COME AROUND HERE.

THEY REQUIRE FIVE SPACES, THEY'RE PROVIDING SIX.

THAT'S WITHIN THE 20% DEVIATION THAT'S ALLOWED.

SO AGAIN, HERE'S THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN MEETING THE TOWN'S LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING. AND THEY ALSO WORKED WITH STAFF TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NORTH ELEVATION, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT THE FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE SIDE THAT WILL BE VISIBLE FROM JUSTIN.

AND SO DID PUT IN SOME KIND OF ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS JUST SO IT WASN'T JUST A FLAT BRICK WALL.

AND THE COLORS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE YES EARTH TONE COLORS, COMPATIBLE WITH THE TOWNS URBAN DESIGN PLAN AND THE PROPERTIES NEXT DOOR TO THE SOUTH. YES.

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SO AGAIN, THERE'S THAT SITE PLAN.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. LEXIN COUNCIL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO. I HAVE A NOTE.

MR. RUIZ IS HERE WITH THE ALTAR GROUP.

HELLO, MY NAME IS RAPHAEL RUIZ WITH REPRESENTING ALTER GROUP AT 10109 LOUETTA ROAD IN HOUSTON, TEXAS.

AND WE'RE ALSO HERE ON BEHALF OF TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE.

SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN THIS PRESENTATION, IT PRETTY MUCH COVERS EVERYTHING THAT LEXIN HAD PRESENTED TO YOU.

BUT WE WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND BRING A TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE TO FLOWER MOUND.

SO WE KNOW SEEING THAT SITE THAT IT'S KIND OF DILAPIDATED RIGHT NOW.

SO WORKING WITH THE TOWN AND BRINGING IT UP TO THE TOWN STANDARDS, WE FEEL THIS WILL BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THAT SPOT AND THE TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE, THEIR CONCEPT IS THAT PEOPLE CAN STAY IN THEIR CAR WHILE GETTING THEIR OIL SERVICED, AND SO IT'S A CONVENIENT SERVICE FOR PEOPLE.

AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE AND GLAD TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO THE TOWN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. RUIZ. MR. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. RUIZ, CAN YOU PULL THE ELEVATIONS UP, IF YOU DON'T MIND? YES, SIR. OKAY.

WHICH ONE'S THE FRONT? SO THE FRONT IS THIS ONE HERE.

THIS IS A NORTH FACING ONE.

IT'S I MEAN TYPICALLY THIS IS CONSIDERED THE FRONT.

BUT SINCE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO HAVE THE BAY DOORS FACE JUST IN ROAD, THIS IS THE END THAT WAS UP TO FACING NORTH.

SO IT LOOKS GOOD. EXCEPT THAT ELECTRICAL BOX LOOKS A LITTLE STRANGE.

THE PARKING METER OR THE POWER METER ON THE FRONT.

YEAH, AND WE WORKED WITH THE PLANNER AND HE SAID THAT HE WANTED TO HAVE IT PAINTED AN EARTH TONE, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE IT A GRAY COLOR, WHICH IS A TYPICAL COLOR.

SO WE CAN I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO SCREEN IT AS WELL, SO THAT IT'S NOT POKING OUT SO MUCH.

OKAY. SO WE.

CAN LOOK INTO THAT. AND I HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT SIGNAGE BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY.

YEAH, WE WERE ASKED TO NOT PUT THE SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING IN THESE ELEVATIONS, BUT THERE WILL BE SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING.

OKAY. DO YOU THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING SPECIAL WITH THAT, WHERE YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US AGAIN OR.

I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

YEAH. BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT'S THE SIGNAGE I DON'T THINK EXCEEDS ANY OF THE TOWN'S REQUIREMENTS.

AND THERE WILL BE SOME ALSO SOME GROUND SIGNAGE LIKE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

SO THERE'S NO PLANS FOR THE BIG ORANGE AND YELLOW BANNER THAT'S TYPICALLY FOUND AROUND THE TOP OF THE BUILDING? YEAH, THERE WOULD BE.

YES. OKAY.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL IS GETTING.

OKAY. IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE PICTURES, WHILE THE BUILDING LOOKS GREAT AND IT LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WOULD NORMALLY LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? I THINK THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE BIG RED AND ORANGE YELLOW BANNER.

YEAH, LIKE YOUR GRAND OPENING OR SOMETHING? NO. SO TYPICALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOWER ELEMENT HERE, THIS TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE WITHOUT THE OIL CHANGE IT'S JUST A TAKE FIVE WOULD BE DISPLAYED HERE. AND THEN IN THE BACK ALONG HERE, WHICH WOULD BE I BELIEVE THE THIS WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE.

THERE WOULD BE A SIGN THAT SAYS STAY IN YOUR CAR.

AND THEN I THINK OVER HERE IT WOULD JUST JUST SAY TAKE FIVE.

SO OKAY FOR A SECOND.

SO WE CAN'T REGULATE THE COLORS THEY ACTUALLY PUT ON THEIR SIGN.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS CLARIFYING BECAUSE HE HAD SAID BANNER AND YOU SAID YES.

SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A BANNER.

BUT YOUR ACTUAL SIGN CAN BE RED AND YELLOW.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT THE TOWN DOES NOT REGULATE WHAT YOU ACTUALLY PUT ON YOUR SIGN ITSELF.

JUST THE SIZE.

YEAH. THANK YOU, SIR.

IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

[INAUDIBLE] IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.

IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS M2 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION? THERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE MPA 23-0008.

[M.3.MPA23-0008-Scenic Drive- Public Hearing to consider a request for a Master Plan Amendment (MPA23-0008- Scenic Drive) to amend Section 7.0, Thoroughfare Plan, to consider three options for the classification adopting an ordinance providing for said amendment. (Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval to change the classification to a Local Residential Collector by a vote 6 to 0 at its March 25,2024 meeting. Transportation Commission recommended approval to change the classification to a Local Residential Collector by a vote of 6 to 0 at its March 12, 2024, meeting.)]

AS A REMINDER, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IF YOU DO WISH TO SPEAK DURING THIS ITEM, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU FILL OUT A GREEN COMMENT CARD.

WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH MR. CLAY RIGGS, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

GOOD EVENING SIR.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR. GOOD EVENING.

COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN ENGEL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE SHOUT OUT TO PUBLIC WORKS.

THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT THE TIFFANY DIDN'T KNOW OR THAT I DIDN'T KNOW.

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I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THEY DO ON A ROUTINE BASIS TO HELP OUT OUR OUR FOLKS SO.

OKAY, SO WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS SCENIC AND THE BASIC OVERALL THOROUGHFARE, KIND OF WHAT THE CONCEPT OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN IT DOES GET BUILT.

SO IF YOU REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE CAME, WE WE ACTUALLY TABLED IT, AND THE COUNCIL REMANDED IT BACK TO TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND TO P&Z. AND MAINLY THAT WAS TO CONSIDER WHEN WHENEVER WE WERE HERE THE FIRST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL, THAT WAS THE SMALLEST SECTION, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE DONE ACCORDING TO OUR STANDARDS, MAINLY BECAUSE OF FIRE ACCESS AND FIRE LANE WIDTHS.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ANYWAY, WE TOOK IT BACK, WE MADE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD ALL THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT WE WERE WE WERE CONSIDERING AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT POTENTIALLY POTENTIALLY AFFECT TREES.

AND SO WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH A HIGH LEVEL OF HOW THAT WOULD, HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE TREES.

AND THEN ALSO SPECIFICALLY CONNECTION ALONG THE NORTH EAST WEST SECTION, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN TRAILS, BIKE LANES.

AND SO SO WE'VE NOW DONE THAT.

WE WE'VE TAKEN THAT BACK TO TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION PLANNING AND ZONING.

AND SO WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN.

I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF JUST KIND OF HIGH LEVEL TELL US THE PIECES THAT WE WANT TO SEE.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, WHENEVER SHE COMES UP TO DESIGN, THEN WE START DOING ALL OF THAT.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MATT.

GOOD EVENING SIR.

HEY, MR. MAYOR COUNCIL JUST POINTING OUT THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY SCENIC DRIVE ON THE ON THE OPENING SLIDE.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS.

BUT ANYWAY, JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE STUFF WE'LL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY, SOME OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WHAT THE EXISTING THOROUGHFARE PLAN LOOKS LIKE, THE CURRENT TRAILS AND BIKEWAY MASTER PLAN, KIND OF WHAT THE PROPOSED IS IN THE WITH TOWN LAKE AND WITH THE PROPOSED SMITH TRACK.

WE'LL HIT ON THE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE FOR THE PROPOSED SMITH TRACK.

SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND TRIP GENERATION.

THEN WE'LL GO INTO SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL ITEMS LIKE EXISTING EQUESTRIAN USE THAT ARE ALONG SCENIC SOME OF THE THOSE EXISTING PAVEMENT WIDTHS, THEN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK LIKE CRASH DATA, SIGN PLACEMENT, SIGN, SPEEDING BIKE USERS AND OTHER POTENTIAL TREES.

IT'LL BE A BIG ONE AT THE END AND THEN AT THE VERY END, PROPERTY OWNER FEEDBACK AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE BOTH THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND THE P&Z DID.

SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OUT HERE.

BACK IN 1985, IT WAS A MAJOR COLLECTOR.

IT WAS AN 80 FOOT, FOUR LANE UNDIVIDED ROADWAY.

SO OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP THERE TO THE IMMEDIATE RIGHT, LOOKED A LOT DIFFERENT BACK THEN.

EVEN OTHER STREETS WEREN'T EVEN IN THE WAY THEY LOOK NOW.

BUT IN THE 2000, THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT THE SCENIC HAD EVER CHANGED.

IT CAME INTO ITS CURRENT ALIGNMENT AND WAS DESIGNATED AS A RURAL COLLECTOR BACK IN 2016.

IT DID COME THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND P&Z TO REMOVE THE BIKE LANES.

HOWEVER, IT WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT BY THE TIME IT BEFORE IT MADE IT TO TOWN COUNCIL.

AND THEN, AS CLAY TALKED ABOUT BACK IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CROSS SECTION, LOCAL RESIDENTIAL ESTATE, TREES IN THE NORTH SIDE.

SO LOOK RESIDENTIAL ESTATE.

THE WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER IS THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL ESTATE CROSS SECTION.

YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE THAT THE PAVEMENT IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S RIGHT AWAY.

EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE PAVEMENT WAS A IS A PAVING DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENT.

SO IN THOSE SITUATIONS THE HOA OR THE LANDOWNER MAINTAINS THOSE BARRED DITCHES.

HEY MATT, WHY DID WE DECIDE 13 FOOT LANES FOR THIS CONFIGURATION? BECAUSE IT IT IT'S WHAT THE FIRE LANE WAS A 26 FOOT.

SO THAT GAVE YOU THE TWO 13 FOOT LANES.

SO 26FT IS LIKE IS THAT THE MINIMUM.

THAT IS THE MINIMUM FIRE LANE NOWADAYS OKAY.

IT USED TO BE DIFFERENT BUT NOW IT'S 26FT OKAY.

SO LIKE MORRIS FOR EXAMPLE HAS THE 11 FOOT LANES AND THAT'S LESS THAN 26FT.

SO WE COULDN'T DO THAT TODAY I THINK THOSE WERE THOSE WERE EXISTING THROUGH THAT AREA.

SO IF WE REBUILT MORRIS TODAY THROUGH THAT SECTION, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S NOT GOING TO A 6 LANE FACILITY, WE WOULD PROBABLY MAKE THOSE 12 FOOT LANES AND THEN HAVE EDGE EDGE LANES ON THE OUTSIDE.

OKAY. SO EVEN IF WE SAID, OKAY, THESE ARE GOING TO BE 12 FOOT LANES, WE'D STILL HAVE AN EXTRA FOOT ON EITHER SIDE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES AT ALL TO MAKE IT SO THAT THE FIRE CAN GET THROUGH THERE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MATT, FOR CLARIFYING.

WE ARE NOT EVER CHANGING MORRIS TO 6 LANES.

NO. NOW, THE ONE THING ABOUT THIS CROSS SECTION IS FOR THAT TRAIL SECTION.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS EASEMENT ON IT.

I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE IT DOESN'T HAVE AN EASEMENT ALREADY.

SO IF WE PUT THAT TRAIL IN, WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS EASEMENT.

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NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT, BECAUSE IF WE DID A LOCAL RESIDENTIAL STATE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO ADD ANYTHING TO OUR INTO OUR CROSS SECTIONS.

BUT WE CAME UP WITH A LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR CREATED FOR SCENIC DRIVE.

IT'S THE EXACT SAME DIMENSIONS.

IF YOU LOOK IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, IT'S STILL IT'S STILL TOTAL 60FT, WHICH IS WHAT WAS BEFORE, EXCEPT THIS TIME IT GOT RID OF THAT PAVING, DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENT AND MADE IT ALL RIGHT AWAY.

SO REALLY WHAT THAT DOES IS IT TAKES AWAY THAT MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FROM THE HOA OR THE LANDOWNER AND PUTS IT ONTO THE TOWN.

BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO KEEP ACCESS FOR DRIVEWAY ACCESS ALONG SCENIC USE OUR ACCESS MANAGEMENT BECAUSE IT'S STILL A COLLECTOR.

IT STILL MINIMIZES THAT EFFECT ON TREES BECAUSE IT'S STILL THAT SMALLEST CROSS SECTION.

IT DOES PROVIDE THE LARGEST VEHICLE LANE.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO BIKE LANE, AND WE WOULDN'T NEED THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS EASEMENT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE RIGHT AWAY.

SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT WERE LOOKED AT AS FAR AS OPTIONS WAS THIS RURAL COLLECTOR MODIFIED.

SO IT'S OUR RURAL COLLECTOR THAT WE SECTION THAT WE HAVE IN OUR IN OUR DESIGN STANDARDS.

HOWEVER, IT IS STILL NO CURB AND GUTTER, STILL BAR DITCH, BUT THIS ONE HERE STILL HAS THE BIKE LANE.

EXCEPT WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE BIKE LANE TO 4 FOOT, AND THEN THE VEHICULAR LANES DOWN TO 10 FEET.

SO INSTEAD OF 26FT OF PAVEMENT, IT WAS THE 28FT OF PAVEMENT.

AND THIS ONE HERE, INSTEAD OF HAVING THOSE 23 FOOT PARKWAYS, IT HAS A 17 FOOT PARKWAY.

CLAY WILL GET UP HERE AND HE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF HIS REAL, REAL PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING THAT HE DID.

BUT WE DO THINK WE COULD MAKE THIS ONE DOWN FROM A 23 TO A 17.

SO THAT MAKES THIS A 62 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, UNLESS I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS THAT THAT 10 FOOT MIGHT BE TOO SMALL.

SO IF WE WENT TO AN 11 FOOT LANE, THAT WOULD MAKE IT A RIGHT OF WAY OF 64FT.

NOW THIS ONE WOULD MAINTAIN THE BIKE LANE CONNECTIVITY.

THAT'S ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES HERE.

SO ON THAT SIDE, QUICK QUESTION, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE 4 FOOT OF THE BIKE LANE, CONCEIVABLY IT IS WIDE ENOUGH FOR FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES THEN, BECAUSE THEY COULD GO INTO THAT SPACE BECAUSE IT GIVES US SO THE ONE THAT'S ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS THE THE RURAL COLLECTOR.

SO THAT FULL CROSS SECTION IS AN 80 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, HAS 34FT OF PAVEMENT WITH TWO 12 FOOT LANES, TWO 5 FOOT BIKE LANES AND 23FT OF PARKWAY.

SO OBVIOUSLY IF WE WENT WITH THIS ONE, WE'D STILL TRY TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE.

BUT BECAUSE THIS HAS THE LARGEST PAVEMENT CROSS SECTION, THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN THE OTHERS.

SO THIS IS A TYPICAL VEHICLE LANE.

AND OF COURSE IT'S THE LARGEST BIKE LANE THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.

NOW THIS IS THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS DONE BACK IN FEBRUARY THAT MODIFIED KIRKPATRICK.

LOOKING IN CLOSER THIS IS THE SCENIC DRIVE HAS A RURAL COLLECTOR.

NOW THIS ONE REMOVES BOTH OF THE 90.

THE TWO HARD 90S.

THE ONE AT THE SOUTH AND THE ONE AT THE NORTH.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND YOU CAN SEE HERE.

THERE'S A NETWORK OF RURAL COLLECTORS OUT HERE.

THIS IS JUST A QUICK CHART THAT KIND OF LOOKS AT ALL FOUR OF THESE.

I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY LITTLE PIECE OF THIS, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOP TWO IS WHO MAINTAINS THE RIGHT OF WAY VEHICLE LANE WIDTHS.

YOU CAN SEE THERE THEY VARY FROM 10 TO 13.

THE ONLY THE BOTTOM TWO HAVE BIKE LANES.

I KNOW ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE THERE'S THE ONE WITH THE TREES.

THEN THERE'S THE NEXT ONE WITH WITH SPEED, WHICH IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS JUST BASED ON JUST BASED SOLELY ON LANE WIDTH.

AND IF THE ROAD IS STRAIGHT, THE WIDER LANE IS GOING TO BE A HIGHER SPEED.

WHEREAS IF YOU HAVE SMALLER LANES, JUST JUST SHOWS YOU THAT TYPICALLY THAT'S A SLOWER SPEED AND NO MATTER WHICH ONE GETS PICKED, THE TRAFFIC CAPACITY IS THERE'S PLENTY OF CAPACITY OUT HERE FOR WHAT'S OUT HERE.

SO THAT SINCE THAT'S BASED ON THE LANE WIDTH, WHICH IS REALLY THE LINES.

THEN IF YOU PICKED THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR BUT YOU MADE THE LANES A LITTLE MORE NARROW AND HAD A LITTLE SHOULDER, THEN YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BRING THE SPEEDS DOWN.

EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD THE SAME PAVEMENT.

THEORETICALLY, YES.

BUT YOU STILL GOT MINIMUM 26 FOOT.

NO, NO, I MEAN, LIKE, IF YOU DID THE MODIFIED RURAL COLLECTOR WHERE YOU HAVE 10 FOOT LANES AND 4 FOOT, WE'RE SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRIVE SLOWER ON THAT, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE MORE PAVEMENT TO WORK WITH VERSUS 13 FOOT FROM STRIPE TO STRIPE.

SO THE STRIPING KIND OF MATTERS.

SO IS THAT A LEVER WE CAN PULL DOWN THE ROAD IF WE NEED TO, MAYBE JUST SPEEDS A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

IF WE IF IT COMES COMES TO FRUITION, WE NOTICE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF HIGHER SPEEDS.

THAT IS ONE OF THE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX.

JUST PSYCHOLOGICALLY PEOPLE WILL DRIVE A LITTLE SLOWER AND THEY FEEL THAT THEY'RE MORE.

BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO EXCEED THE SPEED LIMIT, CHANCES ARE THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT BIKE LANE AS WELL, WHICH MAY PUT THE THE CYCLISTS IN MORE DANGER THAT WAY.

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THE TRAILS AND BIKEWAYS PLAN.

THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE.

HERE IS THE OVERALL MAP IT WAS ADOPTED IN AUGUST OF 2022.

THIS IS THE COMBINED MAP OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES.

THIS IS A LITTLE MORE ZOOMED IN ON THE AREA.

YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT MORE COLORS ON THIS ONE THAN WHAT'S ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

WHAT YOU SEE ON HERE IS THE BIKE LANES OR THE SHARED LANE BIKE LANES.

THE ORANGE IS THE TRAILS AND THE GREEN IS THE EQUESTRIAN.

SO. AND THEN JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHERE SCENIC IS, THERE'S YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRAILS.

I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME ABOUT THE PROPOSED TRACK.

THIS IS WHAT FROM THEIR CONCEPT PLAN.

YOU'LL NOTICE ON HERE THAT WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN PURPLE IS A 12 FOOT HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL.

AND WHAT YOU SEE FROM THAT MINOR TRAILHEAD LEADING UP TO THE EAST WEST PIECE OF SCENIC IS AN 8 FOOT CONNECTOR PIECE FOR THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL.

AND WHAT YOU SEE OVER HERE ON THE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT'S ORANGE IS THE EQUESTRIAN TRAIL.

THIS IS THE SOUTHERN END.

THE ALL THE COLORS ARE THE SAME.

YOU SEE THE LARGER TRAILHEAD AT THE SOUTH WESTERN CORNER.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NOTICE ON HERE IS THAT PURPLE OR THAT BLACK DASHED LINE, WHICH IS A IS THE KIND OF IS THE LIMITS OF THE FLOODPLAIN.

THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE ZOOMED IN OF THOSE TWO DIFFERENT TRAILHEADS.

NOW LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE WITH THE SMITH TRACT, IT DID RECOMMEND THAT THE RURAL COLLECTOR BE MAINTAINED FROM 1171 DOWN TO WALSINGHAM, BUT IT ALSO RECOMMENDED IT FROM WALSINGHAM DOWN TO WICHITA TRAIL.

NOW THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH TRAFFIC, VEHICLE OR TRAFFIC.

IT WAS ALL FOR BICYCLE FACILITIES AND KEEPING THAT CONNECTION.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S.

BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE DAILY TRIPS FROM THE SMITH TRACK AND THE AMP IS ONLY 156.

SO THAT'S THE WHOLE THING.

210 IN THE AFTERNOON.

A LITTLE OVER 2,100 FOR ALL DAY.

SO I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS HOW MANY DOES A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE GENERATE PER DAY? ROUGHLY NINE AND A HALF TRIPS PER DAY.

SO A TRIP IS A ONE TRIP OUT AND ONE TRIP BACK.

THAT'S TWO TRIPS.

SO GENERAL RULE OF THUMB IF YOU EVER WANT TO THINK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, THE GENERAL RULE OF THUMB IS TEN TRIPS PER HOUSE.

I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS, AND IT'S ONLY ONE TRIP PER PEAK HOUR.

SO THAT'S THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.

IT'S PRETTY EASY TO TO REMEMBER.

NOW WHAT'S GOING ON EXISTING SCENIC.

CURRENTLY ON THE.

THIS IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS THAT THAT NORTH SECTION THE A.M.

TRIPS IS LESS THAN 100.

YOU CAN SEE IT WAS 70 WAS WHAT WAS DONE IN THE FROM THE TIA AND WAS 88 IN THE AFTERNOON.

THE PROPOSED SMITH TRACK THAT GOES THROUGH THERE WILL GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL 63 IN THE MORNING AND 84 IN THE AFTERNOON.

SO NO MATTER WHAT'S THERE TODAY OR WHAT'S THERE WITH THE PROPOSED SMITH TRACK, BOTH ANY OF THESE CROSS SECTIONS CAN HANDLE THE LESS THAN 200 TRIPS PER DAY, OR PER PEAK HOUR.

THIS IS JUST KIND OF I JUST THIS IS JUST A REITERATE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH IT AGAIN.

BUT THE EXISTING EQUESTRIAN TRAIL.

THERE IS NOT AN EXISTING EQUESTRIAN TRAIL ALONG SCENIC RIGHT NOW.

HOWEVER, THERE WAS A ONE OF THE LANDOWNERS THAT OUT THERE CONTACTED MY OFFICE ABOUT PUTTING UP THESE EQUESTRIAN WARNING SIGNS.

SO YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, YOU NOTICED THAT THEY HAVE THESE SIGNS OUT THERE, AND IT'S REALLY FROM KENSINGTON COURT DOWN TO THE SOUTH TO WICHITA TRAIL.

WHAT HE TOLD ME IS HE RIDES HIS HORSE ALONG THE EXISTING SCENIC TO GET DOWN TO THE TO THE CORE TRAILS WITH HIS HORSE.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE.

THE THE PICTURE ON THE FAR RIGHT IS JUST KIND OF A PUBLIC SERVICE.

THAT'S THIS ACTUAL SIGN THAT'S ON HIS FENCE.

SO DOESN'T WANT YOU TO FEED HIS HORSES.

SO THE EXISTING PAVEMENT WIDTHS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OF THE OF SCENIC THERE ARE 18 FOOT ASPHALT, MIDDLE SECTION IS A 24 FOOT CONCRETE.

AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO AN 18 FOOT ON THE VERY SOUTHERN END.

IN COMPARISON, CARDINAL IN BOTH WICHITA TRAIL ARE BOTH THE FULL 34FT.

SO ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS WAS CRASH DATA.

SO I WENT INTO THE CHRIS SYSTEM, DID A QUERY, WENT BACK TO 2019, AND THERE'S BEEN FOUR CRASHES SINCE 2019.

INTERESTING ENOUGH, THERE HAVE BEEN MOSTLY ON THE NORTH END OF SCENIC.

NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN INJURY RELATED.

THEY'VE BEEN SINGLE VEHICLE FAILURE TO MAINTAIN VEHICLE ON THE ROAD, 18 FOOT PAVEMENT, EASY TO GET OFF THE ROAD.

BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I KNEW, WE'VE BEEN REPLACING SIGNS OUT THERE MORE OFTEN THAN THAT.

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SO I ASKED MY SIGNS AND MARKINGS SUPERVISOR ABOUT THE CHEVRONS THAT YOU SEE OUT THERE, AND HE TELLS ME WE REPLACE THEM ABOUT ONCE EVERY THREE MONTHS.

SO. BUT NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN ON A CRASH REPORT.

THEY'RE JUST PEOPLE GOING OFF THE ROADWAY AND THEY'RE NOT REPORTING IT.

I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE ASSUMPTION, RIGHT? YES. MORE THAN FOUR, WE THINK IF IF THE SIGNS NEED TO BE REPLACED EVERY THREE MONTHS, SOMETHING'S HAPPENING.

RIGHT? SOMETHING.

BUT WE HAVE THEM SO CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF ROADWAY, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO.

WELL, NOT WHEN YOU GOT A NINE FOOT LANE WIDTH EITHER.

YEAH, YEAH, BUT YOUR WHEELS SHOULD BE ON THE PAVEMENT AND NOT THAT MUCH OF YOUR VEHICLE SHOULD BE EXTENDING BEYOND YOUR WHEELS.

NO SPEEDING. SO I KNOW IT'S SPEED.

SPEAKING OF SPEEDING, I DID GO BACK THROUGH AND LOOK THROUGH OUR RECORDS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEED STUDIES.

AND IN OUR CURRENT SYSTEM, WHICH GOES BACK SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE NOT HAD A REQUEST FOR A SPEED STUDY.

BUT I ALSO ASKED PD BECAUSE THEY GET THEY GET ALSO GET REQUESTS AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVEN'T HAD ONE IN RECENT MEMORY SO.

CAN I REQUEST ONE NOW? SURE. AM I ABLE TO MAKE COMMENTS NOW? BECAUSE I SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR OUT THERE OUTSIDE MY CAR, BECAUSE I'VE DRIVEN IT MANY TIMES TOO, AND THERE WERE SO MANY CARS SPEEDING THAT I WAS A LITTLE SCARED.

SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, STEP WAY, WAY, WAY BACK.

WHERE DID YOU PARK YOUR CAR? AND IN DRIVEWAY, WITH PERMISSION.

BUT YES, SURE WE CAN.

WE CAN FOR SURE DO SPEED STUDIES, NOT A PROBLEM.

BUT I DO THINK SOME OF IT IS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOW VOLUME OF VEHICLES, VERY NARROW PAVEMENT, AND THEN THESE SHARP 90 DEGREE TURNS HOPEFULLY WILL SLOW.

SO MY OBSERVATION WAS THEY WERE ENJOYING THOSE TURNS BECAUSE THEY HAD SOME HIGH PERFORMANCE VEHICLES.

AND IT WAS LIKE A RACEWAY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SITUATION.

IT WAS VERY NICE CARS AND THEY WERE HAVING FUN DRIVING THEM.

AND THERE'S A FEW PLACES THAT WE HAVE DEEP BAR DITCHES WE'VE NOTICED.

SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WAS BIKE AND TRAIL USER TYPES.

THIS IS TAKEN TAKEN STRAIGHT FROM THE TRAIL AND BIKEWAYS MASTER PLAN.

THERE'S THOSE ADVANCED RIDERS THAT WANT TO BE ON STREET FACILITIES.

AND THEN THERE'S THE BASIC RIDER AND THEN THE CHILDREN SENIORS THAT WOULD MUCH, MUCH PREFER TO BE OFF OFF ROADWAY.

BUT THEY CAN HAVE THE TRAILS ACCESSIBLE TO THE BIKES FOR THE KIDS.

RIGHT? OH YES. FOR SURE.

OKAY. AND THEN PEDESTRIANS, WALKERS, RUNNERS, JOGGERS.

AGAIN, A LOT OF THEM OUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE RECREATIONAL USE.

THEY'D MUCH RATHER BE ON A TRAIL THAN ANYWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN THE HIKERS, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ON A SOFT SURFACE TRAIL.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE HAVE SOME EQUESTRIANS OUT THERE.

BUT THE EQUESTRIANS COULD ALSO GO TO THE WEST THROUGH THE SMITH TRACT, IF THAT, IF THAT GETS APPROVED AS WELL.

YES, THERE'S I THINK THE SMITH TRACT HAS A LOT OF EQUESTRIAN TRAILS THROUGH IT.

YEAH, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THAT WAY.

SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO CLAY.

WELL SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO LOOK AT WAS ALL THESE DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND HOW THOSE BASICALLY AFFECT THE TREES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, SO SO AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, REALLY HIGH LEVEL CONCEPT PLANNING.

SO WHENEVER WE DO THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILED ENGINEERING.

WE DON'T HAVE THE SURVEY. WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER NECESSARILY ENGAGED.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ALL THE CONTOURS ARE OUT THERE, WHAT ALL THE UTILITIES ARE.

SO WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE A NUMBER OF ASSUMPTIONS.

AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT I, I DID IN ORDER TO MAKE SOME KIND OF DETERMINATION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME TYPE OF COMPARISON.

SO ONE THING IS SCENIC IS ACTUALLY POSITIONED KIND OF A REALLY UNIQUE SPOT.

TYPICALLY THESE COLLECTOR TYPE RURAL COLLECTORS ARE GOING TO HAVE BIGGER DRAINAGE AREAS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO NEED BIGGER BAR DITCHES TO CONVEY THAT WATER.

THE WAY SCENIC IS POSITIONED, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF POSITIONED AT THE TOP OF THE RIDGE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE OF THE WAY DOWN, AND IT HAS A PRETTY GOOD SLOPE FROM THE NORTH SIDE ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO YOU'VE GOT SOME PRETTY GOOD GRADES SO THAT CAN CONVEY MORE WATER ALSO.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOKED AT IS PRETTY MUCH FROM MY, YOU KNOW, BACK OF THE NAPKIN TYPE CALCULATIONS IS IT LOOKS LIKE AS IF A ONE FOOT DEEP BAR DITCH CONVEY MOST OF THAT DRAINAGE THROUGH THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND DIFFERENT LOW POINTS YOU HAVE.

AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS OUR MINIMUM SLOPE IS A 3 TO 1 SLOPE.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN ONE FOOT, YOU'RE GOING TO SLOPE DOWN THREE FEET TO THAT ONE FOOT AND THEN ONE FOOT BACK UP.

SO YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF SIX FEET IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT WORK.

NOW THAT'S IF EVERYTHING'S FLAT.

NOW IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THAT ON A HILL, YOU CAN IMAGINE YOU'RE CUTTING IN AND THEN YOU'RE GOING WAY BACK UP OVER HERE.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ONE OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT HAD TO BE MADE WAS, OKAY, WELL, WHERE SLOPES GRADE UP WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME IT'S GOING TO HAVE A RETAINING WALL SIMILAR TO CARDINAL. NOW, IN REALITY, IS THAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? PROBABLY NOT. PROBABLY NOT IN ALL THE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, BUT TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF ANALYSIS THAT WE CAN COMPARE THE IMPACT OF DIFFERENT SECTIONS HAVE WE HAVE THAT BECAUSE

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OTHERWISE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY GETTING DETAILED DESIGN SURVEY.

AND IT'S BEEN QUITE, A QUITE A BIT OF MONEY JUST, JUST IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT INITIAL CALCULATION.

SO THE OTHER THING WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME IS THAT THE ROAD CAN GO BACK EXACTLY ON TOP OF, EXACTLY AT THE SAME ELEVATION THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY KIND OF VARIATION IN LOW POINTS.

IT'S GOING TO GO EXACTLY AT THE SAME ELEVATION.

SO IF YOU'RE DOING ONE OF THESE, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO ONE OF THESE BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE YOU KNOW, IF YOU START CUTTING THEN YOU'RE CUTTING BACK FURTHER SO THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GO INTO JUST THE VERTICAL ALIGNMENT.

ALSO, WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL GRADING OR EARTHWORK THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED PASS THAT BAR DITCH.

AND SO IF THERE'S ANY UTILITIES THAT NEED TO BE RELOCATED, IF WE HAVE A CULVERT THAT CROSSES UNDERNEATH THE ROAD TO CONVEY WATER FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, THAT CAN BE DONE IN THAT SAME SIX FOOT, THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, FIBER LINES, THERE'S NO VERIZON LINES.

THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT THAT COULD GET IN OUR WAY.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF A BIG ASSUMPTION.

BUT UNTIL YOU GET INTO THE ENGINEERING, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S OUT THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF ENGINEERS WILL SOMETIMES OVERPROMISE AND THEN COME BACK AND GO, WELL, SORRY, I SHOULDN'T HAVE OVER PROMISED.

I SHOULD HAVE WAITED TILL I HAD ALL THE DETAILS, YOU KNOW.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHENEVER WE'RE AT THIS STAGE THAT WE TALK ABOUT OUR ASSUMPTIONS.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE TRAIL ALONG THE NORTH SECTION SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD KIND OF DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PLANNING AND ZONING AND P&Z, BUT WAS THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO GO WITH THAT REDUCED SECTION AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BIKE LANES ON THAT ROAD SECTION, THEN AN 8 FOOT TRAIL WOULD BE WOULD BE WHAT'S GOING TO GO WITH IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT TRAIL CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN WALSINGHAM AND THE PROPOSED SMITH TRACT.

AND IF IT DIDN'T HAVE THE BIKE LANES, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE 12 FOOT MULTI-PURPOSE TRAIL.

AND THAT THAT BASICALLY KIND OF THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AS SOME OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

AND SO THAT GETS YOU THE MOST EFFECT ON THE TREES.

AND SO IF WE WANT TO KIND OF SEE HOW, WHAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE TREES AND GET A COMPARISON, I DIDN'T WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE'LL GO WITH A MINIMUM TRAIL AND THEN YOU COME BACK. WELL, I WANTED TO GO WITH A 12 FOOT TRAIL.

SO SO THIS KIND OF GETS KIND OF THE WORST CASE, RIGHT? THAT BEING SAID, BOTH TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDED THE 8 FOOT TRAIL, SO.

SO THIS KIND OF ILLUSTRATES WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO AS THE SIZE OF THE BAR DITCH.

SO THIS THIS IS SHILOH HERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE YOU CAN KIND OF JUST IMAGINE THE DRAINAGE AREA THAT'S NEEDED BECAUSE THIS IS A FAIRLY DEEP YOU HAVE DUAL CULVERTS.

AND SO IT'S CONVEYING A GOOD AMOUNT OF WATER.

AND WHENEVER YOU'RE AT THE, YOU KNOW, THOROUGHFARE PLAN STAGE, YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW BIG THOSE BARGES ARE GOING TO BE, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THE WIDER PARKWAY FOR THOSE SECTIONS. ON THE FLIP SIDE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE HERE, LIKE WICHITA TRAIL, WHERE YOU CAN SEE WE WERE ABLE TO GET A BAR DITCH IN WITHOUT WITHOUT NOT MUCH GRADING, BUT WE STILL HAVE THAT REALLY WIDE PARKWAY.

SO YOU HAVE THE BASICALLY THE SCREENING WALL BACK HERE.

SO YOU HAVE THE SAME RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS AND BOTH OF THESE SITUATIONS.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THE EFFECT ON TREES IN COMPARISON.

OKAY. SO GET GETTING INTO THAT AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, I'M ASSUMING THAT IF, IF THAT BASICALLY WHAT'S GOING TO WHAT MATTERS IS THE PAVEMENT WIDTH.

SO THE PAVEMENT WIDTH AND THEN SIX FOOT ON EACH SIDE TO GET THAT BAR DITCH IN.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE PAVEMENT WIDTH PLUS THE BAR DITCHES.

SO FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR WHAT WE DID IS WE WE DID THE ANALYSIS 97 TREES WOULD BE IMPACTED.

AND THOSE ARE TREES THAT ARE SIX INCHES OR LARGER.

AND SO IF IT'S A LITTLE TREE OR MAYBE SOME SOME SCRUB OUT THERE THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED INTO IT, OF THAT 97, 68 ARE PROTECTED TREES.

AND AND THEN 5 ARE SPECIMEN TREES.

SO. YEAH, THAT'S THE MINIMUM PAYMENT WIDTH.

IF WE GO TO THE MODIFIED RULE COLLECTOR, WHICH WE INITIALLY TOOK TO TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND PLANNING AND ZONING, WHICH GETS YOU TO THE BIKE LANES AND GETS YOU THE NARROWEST LANES, 121 TREES IMPACTED.

OF THOSE, 81 ARE PROTECTED TREES, 7 SPECIMEN TREES.

NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS GOING WITH 11 FOOT LANES, WHICH WOULD MAKE THAT IMPACT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND THEN IF WE GO WITH THE 34 FOOT OF PAVEMENT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY HOW IT'S DESIGNATED IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, NOW YOU HAVE 246 TREES WOULD BE IMPACTED.

OF THOSE, 171 ARE PROTECTED TREES AND 16 ARE SPECIMEN TREES.

SO. AND REMEMBER ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT I MADE.

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SO THIS THIS IS THIS IS BASICALLY TO GIVE YOU A SCALE OF COMPARISON.

SO BASED ON THE ASSUMPTIONS, THIS IS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO OR THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.

A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

SO IT'S THE MIDDLE SCENARIO.

WELL, IT IS, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO IS WE COULD MAYBE SHIFT THE ROAD OVER TO ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

IF YOU HAVE A GROVE OF TREES OVER HERE, YOU COULD SHIFT THE ROAD AND YOU COULD DO THAT.

BUT GETTING INTO THAT AT THIS AT THIS STAGE WOULD BE REALLY I FEEL LIKE I WOULD BE OVER PROMISING.

AND SO THIS GIVES YOU AN ECONOMY OF SCALE I APPRECIATE THAT, YEAH.

AND SO THIS THIS IS BASICALLY TAKING THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD, KEEPING THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD WHERE IT IS AND THEN GOING THROUGH THERE.

SO THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR KEEPS THE CENTER WHERE THE CENTER IS RIGHT NOW.

CORRECT. BECAUSE I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME MERIT TO MOVING THAT AS YOU JUST SUGGESTED.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW US THAT TOO? YEAH. NO, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL DESIGN AND PROMISING THAT WE COULD LIKE SHIFT IT OVER.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE ALSO ASSUMING IS THAT YOU CAN ALSO KEEP IT AT THAT EXACT SAME ELEVATION.

SO IF YOU SHIFT IT OVER, WELL, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU MAY HAVE TO DO MORE GRADING TO MOVE IT OVER.

SO YOU'RE HAVING MORE IMPACT ON THAT SIDE.

JUST JUST LIKE WHENEVER WE'RE GOING UP A HILL, THE ASSUMPTION IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RETAINING WALL THERE AND LIMIT THE DAMAGE TO TREES.

RIGHT. SO SO WHAT YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR NOW IS A IS A SELECTION OF OF ONE OF THESE CHOICES.

AND THEN LATER AS TIME DEVELOPS AND SO FORTH IN THIS PROJECT COMES FORWARD, YOU KNOW, THE CALL CAN BE MADE LATER ON TO UNDERSTAND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DIRECTION IS TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO THE TREES.

EXACTLY. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS DO IN OUR DESIGNS IS WE MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF TREES.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO OVERPROMISE.

SO THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF LIKE WORST CASE SCENARIO UNDER EACH OF THE DIFFERENT THREE SCENARIOS.

I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY A MIDDLE SCENARIO.

IT'S A IT'S A MIX.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE HEY, WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT WE CAN GET A WALL HERE AND MINIMIZE THE IMPACT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THE ROAD OVER HERE.

SO IT'S REALLY AN ECONOMY OF SCALE, BECAUSE WHAT IT MATTERS IS HOW MUCH PAVEMENT WIDTH IS GOING TO GO DOWN.

SO SO WE HAVE TO PUT A DESIGNATION ON THE ROAD BEFORE YOU CAN HAVE THOSE MORE DETAILED DISCUSSIONS.

HOW DOES THE PUBLIC STAY ENGAGED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS IF THEY HAVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT SPECIFIC DETAILS OF THE FUTURE ROAD? OH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WE WILL ABSOLUTELY ENGAGE ANY AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU CAN KIND OF THINK ABOUT THIS AS WE'RE WE'RE AT THE CONCEPTUAL STAGE.

SO LIKE IF A SUBDIVISION WAS GOING TO COME IN, WE'RE KIND OF AT THE ZONING STAGE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT HIGH LEVEL CONCEPTUAL.

AND THEN ONCE ONCE THOSE THINGS ARE APPROVED, THEN YOU GET INTO THE DETAILED ENGINEERING, THEN YOU START GETTING INTO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS AND HOW THAT'S HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE OPTIMIZED.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ONE MORE QUESTION.

SO BASED ON WHAT P&Z AND TRANSPORTATION TRANSPORTATION SUGGESTED ON THE 8 FOOT TRAIL, IS THERE DETAIL FOR LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR 8 FOOT TRAIL. BECAUSE THIS IS 12 FOOT TRAIL FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL.

CORRECT. AND SO THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS.

AND THIS IS ONLY ON THE NORTH SOUTH PIECE.

AND SO THE NORTH SOUTH PIECE HAS ITS OWN DIFFICULTIES OR NOT.

NORTH SOUTH. THE NORTH EAST WEST PIECE OKAY.

AND THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE A 12 FOOT TRAIL.

IT HAS TO OR THAT'S NOT WHERE.

OKAY. SO WHAT. SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHAT HOW DOES IT CHANGE IF YOU HAVE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, WHICH IS THE 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WITH THE 8 FOOT TRAIL, WHICH I DON'T SEE HERE. YEAH.

SO THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIMITING IT BY ABOUT FOUR FEET.

AND SO YOU HAVE 26.

IT REDUCES IT DOWN MORE THAN THAT.

SO IT'LL MAKE A MINOR DIFFERENCE.

BUT AGAIN IN THAT PORTION ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN DO IS TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU PUT THAT ROAD IS GOING TO IS GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY MORE IMPACT THAN SO.

SO THE MINIMUM IMPACT YOU WOULD HAVE WOULD BE WITH 8 FOOT TRAIL, 26 FOOT WIDE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY TRANSPORTATION AND PLANNING AND ZONING WENT WITH THAT.

AND THE REASON THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A 12 FOOT TRAIL OPTION ON THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTORS BECAUSE THERE'S NO BIKE LANE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND SO IT WAS IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WAS A 12 FOOT TRAIL COULD ACCOMMODATE ALL BIKE USERS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TALKED ABOUT IN THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION WAS THEY THOUGHT THEY REALLY THOUGHT AN 8 FOOT TRAIL COULD ACCOMMODATE THOSE DIFFERENT BIKE USERS.

NOW, AGAIN, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC ON THE ON THE ROAD IS, IS SO LOW THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TIA MINIMAL.

YEAH. OKAY.

AND SO THAT, THAT JUST I JUST WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE MAINLY THE, THE DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE THERE WITH THE TRAIL.

HOWEVER, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR FOR AN 8 FOOT TRAIL.

SO HERE WE GET INTO THE, THE SPECIFIC EAST WEST NORTH PORTION OF THAT THERE.

AND SO WITH THE, WITH THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL, THE BASICALLY THAT AFFECTED THREE SPECIMEN TREES.

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IT WAS TWO HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THEN ONE OVER HERE.

I BELIEVE WE GOT AN EMAIL THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS TREE OVER HERE IS GOING TO IS GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT AND THAT THAT'S TRUE.

WITH, WITH THE TURN LANE THAT'S GOING TO GO IN WITH THE TOWN LAKE PHASES.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

BUT THAT ONE WOULD COME OUT EITHER WAY.

AND THEN WITH THE MODIFIED RURAL COLLECTOR, IT WAS TWO SPECIMEN TREES.

IT WAS ONE HERE AND THEN THE ONE ON THE CORNER.

NOW, AGAIN, THE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT IF THAT FELL WITHIN THE BOUNDARY, THEN THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERED.

IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS THIS FAR OUT, THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE CANOPIES OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TREES.

SO WE'D HAVE TO SURVEY ALL, GET ALL THE DIFFERENT CANOPIES OF THE TREES IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU A REALISTIC NUMBER.

THIS IS MORE AGAIN, JUST AN ECONOMY OF SCALE.

IN REALITY, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING CLOSE TO ALL OF THESE TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE.

YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO BE PUSHING CLOSE TO THE TREES ON THE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE SCENARIO OF GOING RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT THE THE ROAD KIND OF MEANDERS.

IT'S NOT A NICE STRAIGHT SECTION.

SO THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTION THAT WAS BEING BASICALLY A STRAIGHT SECTION.

IF YOU GO WITH THE RURAL COLLECTOR YOU HAVE 12, YOU HAVE 12 TREES, 6 OF WHICH ARE PROTECTED, AND THREE SPECIMEN.

AND OF COURSE, WITH WITH THE 8 FOOT TRAIL, YOU'RE LOOKING PROBABLY MORE LIKE AT THE TWO.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF INDICATION OF WHERE SOME OF THE LARGER TREES, BECAUSE THE DIAMETER WAS PRETTY SMALL FOR WHAT YOU HAD KIND OF SELECTED AS WHAT WERE SPECIMEN.

AND YEAH, SO, SO PARTICULARLY THESE HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE ARE RATHER RATHER LARGE.

I THINK THOSE ARE THEY'RE OVER 22IN IN DIAMETER.

AND THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF REALLY, REALLY BIG ONES HERE ON THIS NORTH SIDE AS WELL.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE SPECIMEN TREES.

THERE'S TWO SPECIMEN TREES I BELIEVE IN THIS MIX AS WELL.

AND THEN THEN OVER HERE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE SOME ARE PROTECTED BUT THEY'RE NOT SPECIMEN TREES.

IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD SHIFT THE ROAD NORTH OR SOUTH TO TRY AND PRESERVE.

AND WHAT I WOULD SAY AT THE POINT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE AT IS, IS IF WE GET DIRECTION ON THE DIFFERENT KIND OF COMPONENTS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN IN THIS SECTION, WE WILL THEN GO AND WE'LL DO ALL THE ENGINEERING.

WE WILL WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO TO MAXIMIZE THAT THAT IMPACT.

AND WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS, I THINK IN THIS AREA.

YES. AND TO ME THEY SEEM VERY OPEN TO TRYING TO WORK FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL PARTIES, AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

I DO WANT TO SEE THAT ROAD SHIFTED AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

THAT MAKES SENSE FOR EVERYONE, SO THAT WE CAN GET THOSE SPECIMEN TREES PROTECTED AS BEST WE CAN.

YEAH. AND SO I WILL POINT OUT ONE OF ONE OF THE WHEN I, WHEN I WAS SITTING THERE KIND OF COMING UP WITH A PRELIMINARY DESIGN OF WHAT DO WE DO HERE? SO IF WE LOOK AT TOWN LAKE, THEIR RIGHT OF WAY IS SHIFTED ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT NORTH THAN COMPARED TO THIS CENTER LINE OF THE EXISTING SCENIC AND FROM FROM THE PRELIMINARY CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE SMITH TRACT, IT'S ACTUALLY SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT SOUTH.

AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE RIGHT OF WAYS ARE JUST LINING UP PERFECTLY.

SO AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING, WELL, I COULD DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE FROM HERE TO HERE, OR YOU COULD KIND OF DO A DOGLEG OVER.

THERE'S ABOUT 100 DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH YOU COULD TRY TO DO THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO THE DETAILED ENGINEERING DESIGN.

WE GET CONTOURS, WE GET [INAUDIBLE], WE GET ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND THAT'S WHEN WE CAN REALLY START TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE MINIMIZE OR MAXIMIZE THE STREET SECTION.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ROADS ON EITHER SIDE, WALSINGHAM AND TOWN LAKE, AND THEN WHATEVER'S IN SCENIC, WHAT KIND OF EAST WEST ROADS ARE FEEDING INTO THIS CONNECTION RIGHT HERE? YEAH. SO WALSINGHAM IS THAT RURAL COLLECTOR.

SO IT HAS IT HAS THE BIKE LANES.

IT HAS THE TRAIL.

THE SECTION HERE, NORTH AND SOUTH COMING OFF OF 1171 IS ALSO THAT RURAL COLLECTOR.

AND SO. SO YOU'LL HAVE THOSE TWO RURAL COLLECTORS MEETING THERE AND THEN HERE FOR FOR THE SMITH TRACK, THE PROPOSED SMITH TRACK, THAT IS JUST A RESIDENTIAL ROAD.

SO IT'S THAT 26 FOOT WIDE.

SO OUR THOUGHT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRANSITION CYCLISTS COMING DOWN SCENIC OR OFF WALSINGHAM ONTO A HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL, WHICH WILL THEN TAKE THEM IN TO THE SCENIC TO THE SMITH TRACT.

IF IF IT'S DECIDED THAT THE BIKE LANES ARE WANTED ALONG THIS SECTION, THEN YES, IT WOULD BASICALLY TRANSITION ONTO THAT TRAIL AND THEN THAT TRAIL WOULD GO THROUGH THE SMITH TRACT.

OKAY. NOW, THE TIA DID SAY IT WAS IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT CONNECTIVITY OF THE BIKE LANES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CARDINAL.

SO, YOU KNOW, BUT IF THEY HAVE A REALLY NICE ESPECIALLY IT'S PART OF IT'S 12 FOOT THROUGH THE SMITH TRACT.

RIGHT. I KNOW NOT THE INITIAL PORTION CORRECT.

WELL IT'S 12 FOOT FROM THE SOUTH.

AND THEN IT KIND OF GOES UP TOWARDS SHILOH WITH THAT 12 FOOT SECTION RIGHT HERE IN THE NORTH WEST CORNER.

IT'S AN 8 FOOT TRAIL, RIGHT.

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SO 8 FOOT TRAIL EAST OF HERE, 8 FOOT TRAIL WEST OF HERE.

SO THAT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR CYCLISTS TO RIDE THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS GREEN SPACE THEN.

SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE MORE I MEAN, SOME CYCLISTS ARE GOING TO WANT TO STAY ON THE ROADS.

WE KNOW THAT. BUT I MEAN, MOST OF THEM WILL WILL PROBABLY TRANSITION TO THE TRAIL.

WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT, HOW TO GET THEM FROM THE ROAD ONTO THE TRAIL.

CORRECT. AND I AND MATT MAY COULD SPEAK MORE TO THAT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION'S IDEA, TOO, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ACTUALLY WITH THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL, WITH THE 13 FOOT, THOSE THOSE RIDERS THAT ARE COMFORTABLE ON THE ROAD WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IN THAT 13 FOOT SPACE.

AND SO THEY WOULD THEY WOULD PROBABLY HOP ON AND MAYBE GO DOWN HERE.

BUT REALLY THE YOUR, YOUR USERS THAT ARE THE ONES THAT WILL WANT TO GO FAST AND DOWN THE ROAD, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HOP OFF ONTO THAT TRAIL.

THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY DO TODAY.

SO ONE THING THAT SURPRISED ME AT THE P&Z PRESENTATION WAS THAT THE ROAD IS NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IMPROVED AS PART OF THE SMITH TRACT DEVELOPMENT.

IF IT'S IF IT GETS DONE, IT'S ONLY THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE AND TO THE NORTH THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPROVED AS A RESULT OF THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND I WILL SAY THAT'S THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE WHEN SMITH TRACK CAME IN, REMEMBER WE DIDN'T HAVE A TIA.

WE DIDN'T. WE JUST ONLY HAD A CONCEPT PLAN.

AND I THINK PARTICULARLY FOR THE RESIDENTS SOUTH OF HERE, THEY WERE CONCERNED.

THEY WERE HEARING, HEY, THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS THIS REALLY WIDE COLLECTOR SECTION.

WE DON'T WANT THAT.

GO BACK AND SEE AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU CAN DO IN BETWEEN THAT FIRST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE SINCE GOT THE TIA AND THEN WE, WE SAW HOW LOW OF AN IMPACT THAT BASICALLY THE, THE SMITH TRACT HAD, MAINLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE, AT LEAST NOT RIGHT NOW IN THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONNECTIONS TO SCENIC SOUTH OF HERE.

THIS IS A REDUCTION IN RIGHT OF WAY BENEFIT THAT DEVELOPER.

DOES IT MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO GET MORE OPEN SPACE? WHAT'S THE IMPACT IF WE HAVE TO SAY WE'RE TAKING SO MUCH RIGHT OF WAY FROM YOUR PROPERTY ALONG THAT FUTURE TOWN TOLL BROTHERS DEVELOPMENT? SO SO IF WE WERE TO GO JUST STRAIGHT DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE, IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY TYPICALLY WOULD SPLIT IT HALF AND HALF.

AND SO IF YOU HAVE A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, IT'D BE 30 FOOT ON ONE SIDE, 30 FOOT ON THE OTHER.

NOW THERE'S ALSO PORTIONS THROUGH THE SMITHS TRACT WHERE WE CURVE, WHERE WE CURVE THOSE 90S OUT.

AND THEY WOULD DEDICATE THAT ENTIRE THAT ENTIRE 60 FOOT, HOWEVER, AND TOMMY CAN PROBABLY TALK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

HOWEVER, WITH WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES, THEY MAY HAVE TO DEDICATE THAT INTO AN X LOT, WHICH THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE IN THE FUTURE WHENEVER THEY DECIDE TO DO THIS ROADWAY. WELL, I WONDER IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO UPGRADE THAT PORTION OF THE TRAIL THEN TO 12FT.

IF WE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THIS ROAD, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE.

LEXIN DO YOU THINK? POSSIBLY WE COULD TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT.

I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE IT'S LANDING AND AND WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING IN THAT AREA.

I DON'T I DON'T HAVE IT ALL MEMORIZED OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

AND I KNOW THEY ARE GETTING CLOSER TO COMING FORWARD WITH THEIR APPLICATION, BUT BUT YEAH, IT IT WILL POTENTIALLY ALLOW AT LEAST SOME ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE IF THE AMOUNT OF RIGHT OF WAY IS REDUCED.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE COULD WE COULD DEFINITELY TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHETHER IT WOULD ALLOW AN EXPANSION OF THE TRAIL OR NOT.

I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THE CYCLISTS ENCOURAGED TO JUMP ON THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL AND SET IT CONTINUE ON THE ROAD, AND THAT MAY BE ONE WAY TO HELP ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO SO.

OKAY. YES.

YOU MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT SLIDING THE EAST WEST PORTION NORTH OR SOUTH DEPENDING UPON, SAY, SAVING TREES.

HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO IMPACTING THE BUILDING THERE ON THE CIRCLE? OUR RANCH.

PRETTY CLOSE.

LIKE HOW CLOSE? LIKE THIS.

THIS IS THE CURRENT FENCE LINE.

AND IF WE WERE TO TO SHIFT THIS ROAD NORTH THAT, THAT RIGHT OF WAY LINE PROBABLY BE HUGGING THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING.

OKAY. SO THAT MAY BE A CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

CORRECT. AND THAT THAT ALSO MAY BE A CONSIDERATION TOO, BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO CONNECT IF YOU HAVE AN OFFSET SOUTH, DO YOU COULD YOU OFFSET THIS HERE SOUTH AND MAYBE MINIMIZE THAT IMPACT.

BUT AGAIN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF AT THAT STAGE OF IF YOU TELL US THE COMPONENTS YOU WANT, THEN WE CAN START GETTING INTO THAT DETAILED DESIGN AND REALLY KIND OF MAKING SURE IT'S THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS FOR EVERYONE.

SO MINIMIZING THE EAST WEST PORTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO BE BOTH SAVING THE TREES ON BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH, AS WELL AS THE IMPACT TO THE CIRCLE R COULD BE NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AS WELL POTENTIALLY.

THE THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT YOU PUT DOWN IS GOING TO HAVE THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF IMPACT.

YEP. OKAY.

OKAY. SO WE WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE THE TRAIL AND THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF USERS.

SO THIS IS DIRECTLY OUT OF OUR TRAILS AND BIKEWAYS MASTER PLAN.

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AND IT JUST KIND OF TALKS ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WIDTHS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THAT.

BUT WE CAN JUMP INTO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT PROPERTY OWNERS OR SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM PROPERTY OWNERS BASED ON OUR PRESENTATIONS.

SO, SO THE VAST MAJORITY ARE THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM ESSENTIALLY WANT THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TREES AFFECTED.

SO THEY THEY WANT THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT.

THERE ARE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS, PARTICULARLY IN THAT SECTION THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BIKE LANES.

AND THEN THE SMALLER, THE SMALLER TRAIL SECTION AND THEN ONE RECOMMENDED MODIFIED RURAL COLLECTOR.

SO THAT'S A I'M SORRY.

SO A 11 FOOT BIKE LANES AND OR 11 FOOT VEHICLE LANES, FOUR FOOT BIKE LANES, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE CROSS SECTION I SHOWED YOU.

SO THAT'S A FOOT WIDER.

SO INSTEAD OF TEN FOOT LANES, IT'S 11 FOOT LANES.

AND THAT'S ALONG THE THE NORTH SOUTH SECTION OF THE PROPOSED SMITH TRACK DOWN TO RIVER HILL DRIVE.

AND THEN TWO PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED HAVE EXPRESSED THAT SAVING THE OLDER TREES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SCENIC WOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT ALONG THAT EAST WEST SECTION.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHEN IF ONCE WE KNOW WHAT COMPONENTS WE'RE WE'RE DESIGNING FOR, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN ENGAGE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DETAILED ENGINEERING. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE TWO PROPERTIES? AND THEN THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SCENIC SOUTH OF THE SMITH TRACT ENTRANCE.

AND I WOULD SAY, ADAM, BACK TO YOUR QUESTION OF WHAT YOU ADDED ASKED EARLIER.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE GOT HERE.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE STARTED HERE.

WAS THERE THERE WAS THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO END UP GETTING CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT WAS BEFORE WE EVEN HAD THE TIA.

THE TIA SHOWED THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

SO IT'S NOT ON A TEN YEAR CAPITAL PLAN.

IT'S NOT ON ON A PLAN.

THE ONLY PORTION THAT WOULD BE ON THE PLAN WOULD BE THAT EAST WEST UP THERE ON THE NORTH, AND THEN THE CONNECTION TO THE 1171.

OKAY. AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, IF WE HAVE THESE DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS, YOU KNOW, ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, DOES THAT, DOES THAT, THAT CAUSE ANY KIND OF CONCERN? DOES THAT CAUSE ANY KIND OF CONFUSION? AND REALLY WITH, WITH THE LOW VOLUME OF TRAFFIC? YOU SEE, IT DOESN'T AS LONG AS IT'S THOSE, THOSE TRANSITIONS ARE MADE IN LOGICAL POINTS.

AND SO FOR INSTANCE, THAT EAST WEST PORTION, YOU HAVE A THREE WAY STOP AND A THREE WAY STOP.

SO IT'S KIND OF LOGICAL THAT THOSE WOULD BE WHERE SECTIONS WOULD CHANGE.

AND THEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EXACT PLACEMENT OF SCENIC THROUGH THAT EAST WEST PORTION.

I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE REALLY KIND OF AT THE CONCEPT STAGE.

SO IF WE IF WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT, WHAT PIECES WE'RE WORKING WITH, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY START DESIGNING IT.

AND THEN THE EQUESTRIAN EQUESTRIAN TRAIL PLACEMENT THERE.

THERE WAS AN INQUIRY ABOUT THAT PARTICULARLY OVER BY THE GAS.

WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT'S THAT'S REALLY NOT RELATED TO THE TOPIC OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT NOW, THAT'S A THAT'S A TOPIC FOR THE FUTURE, AS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE SCENIC LOOK LIKE.

SINCE THE EQUESTRIAN TRAIL IS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION THE PORTIONS OF THE EQUESTRIAN TRAIL, SORRY THAT ARE IN TOWN LAKE, WHERE IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG.

IS THERE AN APPROPRIATE TIME OR FORUM FOR THOSE QUESTIONS TO COME FORWARD? I WOULD SAY, AND SORRY, I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT USUALLY WHEN THAT THAT WOULD COME FORWARD, EXACTLY HOW THAT CONNECTION WOULD BE MADE IS WHEN THAT PROPERTY COMES IN FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO WHENEVER THAT PROPERTY DEVELOPS, THEN IT'S TALKED ABOUT, OKAY, WELL HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT CONNECTIVITY WHICH IS NOW RIGHT.

I MEAN THAT'S HAPPENING.

I MEAN THAT THE PLOTS FOR TOWN LAKE TOWN LAKE FIVE AND SIX ARE ALREADY APPROVED.

OKAY. BUT MAYBE THAT'S ALREADY DONE THEN.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN TOWN LAKE AND SCENIC? BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT GOES DIAGONAL ACROSS THE PROPERTY.

YEAH. AND SO WHERE IT WOULD EXIT TOWN LAKE AND THEN PICK UP ON SCENIC BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY THAT TRANSITION, THAT'S WHAT THE NATURE OF THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD.

AND HOW IS IT GOING TO IS IT GOING TO CUT ACROSS UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES, OR IS IT GOING TO TRY TO FOLLOW PROPERTY LINES? AND THOSE WERE QUESTIONS THAT ARE I DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ALREADY PLOTTED, THAT MAYBE WE MAY BE TOO LATE.

WE'LL JUST HAVE TO GO SEE WHAT THE PLOT LOOKS LIKE.

IS IS TOWN LIKE DIRECTLY EAST OF THIS? CORRECT. LIKE RIGHT ON THE.

YEAH, THAT CONNECTION IS TOWN LAKE.

YEAH. SO THERE'S THERE'S TWO INTERVENING PROPERTIES BETWEEN TOWN LAKE AND AND SCENIC.

YOU'VE GOT THE OLD GAS SITE AND THEN MR. PETERSON'S PROPERTY.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS GENERALLY SPEAKING AS PROPERTY COMES IN TO DEVELOP, YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE LINES ON A MAP LIKE THIS.

AND SO WE HAVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS ON HOW DO YOU GET TO POINT A TO POINT B FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER SIDE? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW A STRINGENT LINE.

AS YOU SEE ON THE MAP. THE POINT IS THE CONNECTIVITY THAT THAT OH MY GOSH, CLAY MENTIONED.

SORRY, CLAY, I JUST BLANKED OUT THERE FOR A MINUTE.

SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL CAN CAN ASK FOR A FUTURE DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR ELEMENT OF THE TRAILS PLAN, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE IT WOULD BE HANDLED.

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SO SO TOWN LAKE ISN'T IN THE CONNECTION TO SCENIC RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S THE GAS GAS WELL, RIGHT.

CORRECT. YEAH. AND SO I BELIEVE THE CONCERN IS THIS PORTION RIGHT THROUGH HERE.

AND THAT PORTION IS NOT CURRENTLY IN A DEVELOPMENT STAGE.

YEAH. AND SO HOW YOU WOULD GET FROM, YOU KNOW, HERE TO SCENIC THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED WITH THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPER WHENEVER THEY COME IN, THEY PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AT CONCEPT PLAN.

AND THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU MIGHT TALK ABOUT ZONING.

AND THEN AS YOU START GETTING INTO THE ENGINEERING, YOU COULD REALLY HAMMER THAT DOWN.

OKAY. CLAY JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M TRACKING.

SO WE HAVE WALSINGHAM, RIGHT.

THAT THAT RUNS FROM 3040 AND THAT'S GOING TO GO EAST TO SCENIC WEST TO SCENIC.

CORRECT. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT SCENIC COMING OFF OF 1171 NORTH SOUTH.

YEAH. BASICALLY WALSINGHAM IS EVERYTHING FROM THERE TO THE EAST.

AND SO WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THEN WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN LAKE ROAD.

SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL EAST WEST ROAD BESIDES WALSINGHAM.

NO, IT'S JUST WALSINGHAM.

WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS THE TRAIL CONNECTION JUST NOW.

OKAY. AND THAT WAS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT A SECOND ROAD GOING THROUGH.

NO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO AGAIN, I'M SURE Y'ALL ARE AWARE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION VOTED TO GO WITH OPTION ONE.

THAT IS THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR.

THAT IS THE 26 FOOT WITHOUT BIKE LANES.

THEY ALSO SAID FOR THAT EAST WEST PORTION, INSTEAD OF DOING A 12 FOOT TRAIL, THEY WANTED TO SEE AN 8 FOOT TRAIL.

PLANNING AND ZONING ESSENTIALLY ECHOED THE SAME SAME THOUGHT.

PLEASE GO WITH OPTION ONE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL, 26FT WITH THE 8 FOOT TRAIL THERE ON THAT NORTH SOUTH PORTION.

AND ALL OF THESE WERE UNANIMOUS.

AND YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OVER.

WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHAT THE PROPOSED THOROUGHFARE PLAN COULD LOOK LIKE.

IT GIVES THAT LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR FROM WHERE SCENIC AND WALSINGHAM COME TOGETHER ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WICHITA TRAIL.

CARDINAL. THIS ONE.

THIS ONE HERE TAKES WHAT YOU FROM THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO THIS ONE.

YOU SEE, IT TAKES OUT.

IT PUTS THE 90S BACK IN ON THE NORTH END.

AND RIGHT NOW IT'S IT STRAIGHTENS THEM OUT ON THE SOUTH END.

IT COULD WE COULD FOLLOW THE 90S IF YOU WANT TO, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S SMOOTHING THOSE TWO 90S OUT.

AND THEN THAT'S THAT'S THE END OF OURS.

THESE ARE THE THE OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND P&Z.

THE ONLY REASON THE FIRST ONE, OPTION ONE, HAS THERE TWICE BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME CROSS SECTION.

JUST WHO MAINTAINS THE PARKWAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MATT. COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THE TIME IS NOW 8:39.

AND I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM THREE.

JUST AS A REMINDER, THE SAME RULES FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS APPLY.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

BRONZE.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH MR. STEVE DIXON FIRST.

BRONZE I HAVE A NOTE THAT YOU HAVE DONATED TIME FROM FIVE PEOPLE.

WE'VE HAD AN ESTABLISHED RULE HERE AT COUNCIL THAT WE MAX THE DONATED TIME TO A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ALLOTTED NINE MINUTES.

MR. DIXON WILL GO FIRST WITH THREE MINUTES, MR. DIXON. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

STEVE DIXON 4604 WISDOM CREEK COURT.

I ALSO OWN PROPERTY THAT I'M BUILDING A HOUSE AT 2701 SCENIC DRIVE, SCENIC FROM THE NORTH SIDE TO THE SOUTH SIDE.

BRONZE HAS THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.

I'M THE VERY LAST. THE VERY WELL CROSS THE NEIGHBOR'S CROSS STREET, THE VERY END, BUT AND IF YOU SAT IN MY DRIVEWAY IT WAS NO, I KNOW YOU DIDN'T, BUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE I'VE SAT THERE FOR HOURS, I MEAN LITERALLY HOURS.

AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE IT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE PEOPLE GO SLOW.

THEY WANT TO SEE DEER, THEY WANT TO SEE COWS.

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THEY WANT TO SEE THE DIFFERENT THINGS ON THE PROPERTY AND UP NORTH.

YES, I'VE SEEN THOSE SPORTS CARS THAT GO A LITTLE QUICKER, THERE'S NO DOUBT, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A TALE OF TWO CITIES OR TWO STREETS IN THIS SITUATION ON SCENIC DRIVE.

AND TONIGHT COUNTY COUNCIL IS GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, CROSS SECTION AND SOME THINGS FOR THEM TO COME BACK TO YOU AT SOME POINT IN TIME WITH SOME SPECIFICITY.

SO IN THIS SITUATION, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD ALWAYS BE THE SMALLER THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE SMALLER THE CROSS SECTION, THE MORE TREES WE CAN SAVE. IT WILL ALSO INHERENTLY MAKE THE TRAFFIC BE SLOWER.

I MEAN, WE'VE HAD TRAFFIC ENGINEERS IN FLOWER MOUND TELL US THAT THE SIZE OF THE LANES DO AFFECT THE TRAFFIC, THE MORE PAVEMENT ALSO AFFECTS THE TRAFFIC.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE WE PUT LINES IN A CERTAIN PLACE, IF THEY SEE PAVEMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT.

SO I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT FROM THE SOUTH END TO THE NORTH END, THERE'S GOING TO BE THE TRAILS THAT GO THROUGH NATURE, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RIDE HORSES, RIDE BIKES AND WALK, AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BEHIND ME WHEN I WHEN I FINALLY MOVE OUT THERE.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A REAL NICE PLACE, BUT I PREFER NOT TO HAVE THE BIKE LANES ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

NOW, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE NORTH SIDE, WHERE IT GOES EAST TO WEST, WHERE WALSINGHAM IS GOING TO COME INTO IT, THAT DOES KIND OF MAKE SENSE TO HAVE BIKE LANES OVER THERE CONNECTING THE WALSINGHAM STREET TO THE ENTRY OF THE TOLL BROTHERS NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ON THE NORTHEAST SECTION.

SO I'M I'M I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I WANT TO SAVE AS MANY TREES UP BY WHERE BRONZE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT ARE HIS TREES AND ALSO JASON'S SIDE ON ON ON CIRCLE R, BUT I LOVE HOW CLAY PUT IT.

THE SMALLER THE PAVEMENT, THE MORE TREES YOU SAVE.

I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM LINE.

THAT'S IT. RIGHT NOW WE WANT TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS WE CAN IN FLOWER MOUND.

IT'S EVEN HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW ON THIS SUBJECT AND ON HIGH ROAD.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE THAT CROSS SECTION 60 NO MORE THAN 62, 63 ISH AT THE MAXIMUM, BUT I WOULD SAY 60 AND ALSO HAVE THE 213 TRAVEL LANES ON THE SOUTH SIDE BIKE LANES.

I'LL LET I'LL DEFER TO BRONZE ON THAT ONE.

THANK YOU SIR. NEXT WILL BE MR. PETERSON. I'M SURE YOU HAVE DONATED TIME FROM BRANDI PETERSEN.

ARE YOU HERE? JUST NEED ONE MORE CARA PETERSON.

HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT.

[INAUDIBLE]. AND I BEFORE I START I'M SUPPOSED TO PULL SOMETHING UP HERE, I THINK.

THEY HAVE.

DO I JUST CLICK ON IT? SORRY. YEAH. SORRY.

THANKS. YOU'RE WELCOME.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. BRONZE PETERSEN 5104 SADDLE DRIVE, FLOWER MOUND, TEXAS 75028.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

I APOLOGIZE THAT I'M SOMEWHAT OF A BROKEN RECORD, BUT I ALSO WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR TAKING THE PROBABLY LONG TIME TO READ SOME OF MY EMAILS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

APPRECIATE THE FOLKS THAT COULD MEET ME OUT ON SITE.

I THINK THAT WAS HELPFUL TO TO ALL OF US, HONESTLY.

SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THE MAIN POINTS I KIND OF WANTED TO GET ACROSS WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST WEST SECTION OF SCENIC FROM WHAT WOULD BE THE MY NORTHEAST CORNER OF MY RANCH, WHICH WOULD BE WHERE THE WALSINGHAM EXTENSION MEETS SCENIC TO MY NORTHWEST CORNER OF OUR RANCH, WHICH IS WHERE IT WILL END UP DUMPING INTO THE SMITH TRACT DEVELOPMENT.

THAT SECTION THERE.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU.

CLAY AND MATT, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS TO THAT SECTION OF THERE IS THE ONE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE MOST NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEART.

SO WE HAVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE OUR ENTRANCE IS, WHERE IT SAYS PETERSON RANCH, THOSE HUGE 20 SOME ODD INCH TREES THAT CLAY WAS TALKING ABOUT ARE DOWN THERE.

WE WANT TO TRY TO PROTECT THOSE.

ONE THING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS IT'S NOT AS MUCH THAT SCENIC IS BEING SHIFTED NORTH ON THE TOWN LAKE FIVE SIX AS MUCH AS IT IS THAT THE SCENIC OR SORRY WALSINGHAM, WALSINGHAM IS ACTUALLY BEING LOCATED ON EQUAL SIDES OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO IT APPEARS THAT IT'S BEING SHIFTED NORTH, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT.

IT'S JUST CENTERED ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

HOW YOU KNOW THAT IS, IS YOU COME ACROSS THE NORTH SIDE OF, OF OUR PROPERTY BETWEEN CIRCLE R RANCH AND US.

THAT ROAD IS ABOUT 18FT WIDE, BUT AT THE LOCATION OF OUR DRIVEWAY, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN IT WHERE IT SAYS PETERSON RANCH, THERE'S ONLY FIVE FEET OF PAVEMENT.

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OF THE 18, ONLY FIVE FEET OF THAT PAVEMENT IS ON CIRCLE R'S PROPERTY, 13FT OF THE PAVEMENT.

18 MINUS FIVE.

13FT OF THE PAVEMENT IS ON OUR PROPERTY, MEANING THAT THAT THE ROAD JUST HOW IT MEANDERS THROUGH.

AND IN SOME PLACES, IF YOU GET ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTHEAST WHERE YOU COME AROUND THAT CORNER, MY NORTHEAST CORNER, JASON, SOUTH EAST CORNER, ALMOST THE ENTIRETY OF SCENIC WOULD BE ON OUR SIDE ALL 18FT.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AND YOU SAY, WELL, HOW MUCH WOULD BE AFFECTED? THE CURRENT CANOPY OF THOSE TREES COMES OUT IN ABOUT TOUCHES THE EDGE OF THE ROAD RIGHT THERE.

SO WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, WILL THEY BE AFFECTED IF WE.

YEAH, I THINK THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY BE AFFECTED.

BUT IF YOU EVEN DO WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING, WHICH IS A 64 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WITH TWO 11 FOOT VEHICULAR LANES AND TWO FOUR FOOT BIKE LANES, THAT'S TOTAL WIDTH OF 30FT, RIGHT? SO 30FT OF OF PAVEMENT WOULD HAVE TO GO IN THERE.

YOU WOULD ONLY BE A FOOT OR TWO ON MY SIDE, AT LEAST OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT ROAD.

NOW CLAY IS RIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OVER DIG SOMEWHAT.

SO YOU MIGHT GET A BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE NOWHERE NEAR THE TREE TRUNK AND YOU MIGHT THERE MIGHT BE AN ISSUE THERE, BUT THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST THE BEST CASE THAN TO TRY TO SHIFT IT SOUTH.

IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND LOOK THE TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE ONES THAT ARE ON JASON'S PROPERTY.

AND I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR HIM.

AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AND HE'S HE'S ACTUALLY OF THE OPINION AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR HIM TONIGHT.

BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DISCUSSED IT QUITE A BIT.

AND AND HE REALIZES THAT THE TREES ON OUR SIDE ARE PROBABLY LARGER AND YOU KNOW, ARE A BETTER LOOKING TREE THAN SOME OF THE ONES ON HIS.

BUT IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW THIS, HOPEFULLY I CAN DO THIS CORRECTLY.

LET'S SEE HERE.

THIS IS A TOPOGRAPHY MAP.

SO I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL TOPOGRAPHY MAPS, BUT THIS IS LIDAR THAT'S ON GIS FROM DENTON COUNTY.

IT'S ONE FOOT TOLPPO.

SO YOU SEE [INAUDIBLE] ONE FOOT CONTOURS.

I MEAN, YOU GET MUCH. THEY USED TO DESIGN ROADS WITH ONE TENTH OF THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION, SO IT CAN BE LOOKED AT AND YOU CAN SEE THE HIGH POINT OF OUR DRIVEWAY THERE IS THAT PURPLE CIRCLE RIGHT HERE.

IF YOU SEE THAT, THAT'S JUST TO THE WEST OF OUR DRIVEWAY.

SO OBVIOUSLY OUR DRIVEWAY IS RELATIVELY IN THE HIGH POINT OF SCENIC.

NOW, IF IT WAS MOVED OVER JUST A LITTLE BIT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A CULVERT HERE, WHICH WOULD NOT DISRUPT THESE TREES.

SO AGAIN, BASED ON ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THIS AREA IS HIGHER, IS ACTUALLY HIGHER.

THERE'S A BERM THERE. THE THE TREES AND THE GROUND THEY'RE GROWING ON IS HIGHER THAN SCENIC.

SO AGAIN, IF WE HAVE A 34 FOOT RIGHT OF, SORRY, A 32 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ON EACH SIDE OF SCENIC, A TOTAL OF 64FT, AND WE HAVE TO GET AND WE GET 15 FOOT OF PAVEMENT.

6 TO 8 FOOT BAR DITCH.

BECAUSE AGAIN, REMEMBER, IF YOU GOT THREE FEET UP AND THREE FEET DOWN, YOU GOT AT LEAST SIX FEET.

YOU MIGHT HAVE A CHANNEL ON THE BOTTOM 3 TO 6 TO 8 FEET OF BAR DITCH.

AND THEN YOU HAVE AN 8 FOOT TRAIL.

YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE ONE FOOT TO THE EDGE OF RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THE ABILITY TO SHIFT IT, UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE MORE RIGHT OF WAY ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF SHIFTING IF WE'RE GOING WITH A 64 FOOT, OR EVEN IF YOU DO THE 60 FOOT WITH A 26 FOOT LINE, IT'S THE SAME THING, RIGHT? 64FT IS JUST FOUR FEET MORE THAN 60FT BECAUSE THE PAVEMENT IS FOUR FEET BIGGER.

SO ANYWAY, SO IF YOU DO 64FT OR 60, MY POINT IN SHOWING YOU THIS TOPOGRAPHY IS NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO HERE, UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SHIFTING SCENIC WAY SOUTH AND JUST BLOWING UP ALL OF MY TREES.

WHICH THEN WE'LL GIVE YOU AN ODD OFFSET INTERSECTION OVER HERE, WHERE YOU'LL COME INTO AN INTERSECTION AND HAVE TO JOG DOWN.

I DON'T SEE THAT. AND AN ODD INTERSECTION OVER HERE.

ALL OF THESE TREES.

I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT ALL OF THESE TREES ARE LOST.

THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ONE TREE, MAYBE 1 OR 2, THAT WILL BE REMAINING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SCENIC.

REGARDLESS, IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT CROSS SECTION YOU PICK, IF YOU PICK THE NARROWEST CROSS SECTION, THEY'RE ALL GONE.

THERE IS FOUR FEET BETWEEN A BIG TREE THAT'S SITTING RIGHT HERE AND THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT FOUR FEET.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE PAVEMENT ASSUMING AGAIN, EVEN IF WE DID THE 13 FOOT CROSS SECTION OF PAVEMENT ON JASONS SIDE.

YEAH, FIVE FOOT THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE ROADWAY.

PLUS FOUR MORE FEET IS NINE FEET.

YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER FOUR.

YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER FOUR FOOT OF PAVEMENT PLUS THE OVER DIG.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. ALL OF THESE THERESA WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, WELL, WHICH ONES CAN BE SAVED AND WHICH ONES CAN'T, NONE OF THESE CAN BE SAVED.

NONE. AND IT'S SIMPLE MATH.

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IF YOU GET OUT THERE WITH TAPE MEASURE, WHICH I HAVE, I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAS GONE OUT WITH A TAPE MEASURE AND MEASURED THESE TREES LIKE A CRAZY FOOL.

YOU SEE ME OUT THERE WITH A TAPE MEASURE, AND THEY'RE JUST IT'S AN IMPOSSIBILITY.

AND THAT ASSUMES, AGAIN, THAT ASSUMES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO MUCH ACTUAL DRAINAGE, AS ANYONE WILL TELL YOU, YOU CAN'T HAVE A DITCH THAT'S TALLER THAN A ROAD.

YOU WANT THE WATER FROM THE ROAD TO RUN INTO THE DITCH.

SO UNLESS YOU'RE WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE RAISING SCENIC UP 4FT OR 3FT OR SOMETHING CRAZY LIKE THAT, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THOSE TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOW MUCH CROSS SECTION.

SO ONCE YOU KNOW THAT, THEN I THINK YOU JUST COME DOWN TO, WELL, WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

AND I THINK THE IDEA OF CONTINUING THE BIKE LANES, BECAUSE AGAIN, OVER HERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.

34 FOOT OF PAVEMENT, TWO 12 FOOT LANES AND TWO FIVE FOOT BIKE LANES, AND TO CONTINUE THAT ON INTO TWO 11 FOOT LANES, NOT 10 FOOT LANES, 11 FOOT LANES AND DO 4 FOOT WOULD SEEM TO MAKE SOME SENSE.

AND THEN AGAIN, IF YOU COME OVER HERE, THIS IS THE MOST AREA THAT I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT.

THIS EAST WEST SECTION.

AS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL GOING SOUTH FROM HERE.

I TEND TO AGREE WITH STEVE FOR SURE DOWN WHERE HE'S AT SOUTH OF RIVER HILL.

I MEAN, IF IF IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO ME, I WOULD PROBABLY KEEP THE BIKE LANES GOING SOUTH ON SCENIC DOWN TO RIVER HILL ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE PUTTING IN TRAILHEADS FOR BIKES. SO WE'RE PUTTING IN TRAILHEADS FOR BIKES JUST SOUTH OF BASICALLY RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT AGAIN.

HERE'S THAT NORTHWEST CORNER OF OF OUR PROPERTY.

THEY'RE PUTTING A TRAILHEAD FOR BIKES RIGHT HERE.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE NOW.

AGAIN THEY'RE PROBABLY TIED IN HOPEFULLY TO A TO THE AND I THINK I AGREE WITH WHOEVER WAS SAYING IT ABOUT YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT THESE BIKE LANES FOR THAT ARE ON THE SMITH TRACT, I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY IMPORTANT.

AND MAYBE THEY'LL CONNECT THAT WAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, FROM MY NORTHWEST CORNER, I CAN SEE IT BECOMING BACK TO THE 26FT.

I WOULD IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD STILL CONTINUE IT ON DOWN TO RIVER HILL JUST TO MAKE THAT CONSISTENT.

BUT THEN SOUTH OF THERE. I AGREE WITH STEVE.

THERE'S NO, NO REASON. THERE'S JUST NOT AS MUCH TRAFFIC.

ONE OTHER QUICK POINT BEFORE I LEAVE UP HERE IN THIS NORTHWEST CORNER, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THAT SMITH THE SMITH TRACK WAS DEVELOPED STILL SHOWS THIS COMING IN TOO FAR SOUTH IF IT COMES IN FURTHER NORTH, AS I MENTIONED ON MY EMAIL.

MR. PETERSON, YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED.

I'M SORRY, SIR, I KNOW YOU'RE REALLY PASSIONATE, BUT THAT YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

YEAH, THAT WAS NINE MINUTES.

OKAY. APOLOGIES.

NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU.

SO I DO HAVE A CARD THAT WAS DONATED TIME FROM REBECCA PEARTON.

DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK OR WAS IT JUST DONATED TIME? I HAVE A COMMENT CARD FROM LESLIE PETERSON.

DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

THERESA DO WE HAVE ANY MORE GREEN COMMENT CARDS? I DO NOT.

THE TIME IS 8:54 AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.

CLAIRE, CAN YOU PUT UP SLIDE 16, THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL MAP.

SO, THE TRAILHEAD THAT MR. PETERSON MENTIONED THAT ALIGNS WITH RIVER OAK.

I MEAN, HOW COMMITTED ARE WE COULD THAT BE MOVED UP TO THE CORNER OF SCENIC WALSINGHAM, TO WHERE IT'S A MORE LOGICAL IN TERMS OF HOW IT WOULD ALIGN WITH PEOPLE COMING OFF THE ROAD AND ONTO THE TRAILHEAD.

I WOULD SAY THIS IS VERY, VERY CONCEPTUAL, BUT MATT.

I WOULD SAY EVEN ON THE ON THIS PLAN, ON THE TRAILS AND BIKEWAYS MASTER PLAN.

IT DOESN'T EVEN SHOW THAT THAT TRAILHEAD.

RIGHT. SO, I THINK AT THAT POINT IT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER OR PARKS BOARD, ALL THOSE ALL THOSE FOLKS INVOLVED.

AS FAR AS LOCATION, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A TRAILHEAD FOR BIKES AT THE INTERSECTION OF RIVER HILL.

SO, WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO WORK ON THAT DEPENDING ON THE DESIGNATION THAT WE MAKE.

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY QUITE A WAYS.

IT'S A LITTLE WAYS NORTH OF RIVER HILL.

YEAH, IT'S WAY NORTH FROM.

YEAH. FROM WHERE THE 90-DEGREE TURNS ARE.

THIS IS THE SOUTH 90 DEGREE BEND.

SO, THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE WAYS QUITE A WAYS NORTH OF RIVER HILL.

OKAY, SO I THINK THAT JUST BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE RECEIVED FROM THE LOWER BOARDS, THEY'RE PRETTY SOUND.

THEY LOOKED AT ALL THIS STUFF. THEY CAME UP WITH GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS.

PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S EASY.

THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF SCENIC FROM THAT THREE-WAY INTERSECTION AT THE SMITH TRACT ENTRANCE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CARDINAL, REALLY LOCAL RESIDENTIAL

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COLLECTOR FROM USING THE RIGHT TERM, THAT'S THE TWO 13 FOOT.

SO, THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

THE REALLY THE ONLY PORTION IS THIS EAST WEST, WHICH WE'VE HEARD THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THAT BE RETAINED AS A MODIFIED RURAL COLLECTOR WITH THE NARROW LANES AND THE BIKE LANES, IN ORDER TO HELP TRANSITION PEOPLE ONTO THE WAY, AND AN EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL TO HELP TRANSITION PEOPLE ONTO THE BIKE LANES.

THAT'S, I THINK, WHAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF.

IT'S A SLIGHT MODIFICATION FROM PNC AND TRANSPORTATION, BUT NOT SIGNIFICANT.

WELL, I KIND OF REALLY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SAVING TREES AND WHAT WE HAVE ALL TALKED ABOUT UP HERE I'M ALMOST OF THE OPINION, TO PUT IT, OF THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR UP IN THAT SECTION AS WELL, AND THEN GO WITH AN EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL.

YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WILL MINIMIZE THE IMPACT.

YEAH, THAT IS DEFINITELY WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE OTHER BOARDS.

AND THAT I THINK COMING INTO THIS MEETING, THAT'S WHAT I HAD IN MIND TOO.

BUT SPEAKING TO THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO'S THE MOST AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNER, WHO IS IN FAVOR OF THE MODIFIED RURAL COLLECTOR, WHICH I THINK ADDS TWO FEET OF PAVEMENT, IS THAT RIGHT? WITH THE WITH THE TEN-FOOT LANES? YES. ONLY TWO FEET. RIGHT.

TWO FEET OF PAVEMENT.

AND ALSO MAKES YOU ALMOST NEED THE 12-FOOT TRAIL IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NO BIKE LANES BECAUSE THEN YOU, THE CYCLISTS GO RIGHT ONTO THE TRAIL.

SO, YOU DELETE FOUR FEET OF POTENTIALLY FOUR FEET OF PAVEMENT THERE AND HAVE EIGHT FEET.

I THINK YOU JUST GO WITH THE EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL.

I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH IT, IT'S GOING TO BE EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL INTO TOWN LAKE FIVE AND SIX.

OKAY. IT'S ALREADY THERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE THE EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL.

AND SO, YOU JUST CONTINUE THAT EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL.

AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WITH THE SMITH TRACT IS PROPOSED TO BE EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL GOING UP FROM THAT AREA AS WELL.

SO, IT CONTINUES ON WITH THAT.

YEAH. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO OWNS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, IN FAVOR OF THE BIKE LANES.

I THINK I'M WILLING TO MAKE THAT CONCESSION BASED ON THAT.

I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THAT PROPOSED EAST WEST SOLUTION.

I THINK IT WAS 11-FOOT LANES AND FOUR-FOOT BIKE LANES.

WELL, 11-FOOT LANES AND FOUR-FOOT BIKE LANES ARE GOING FOUR FEET OF ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT.

SO, TEN FOOT IS WHAT'S ON THIS.

I UNDERSTAND THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO SPOKE, THE PUBLIC SPEAKER SAID 11 FOOT PLUS FOUR FOOT.

SO WE SAT 30FT OF PAVEMENT.

I WOULD SUPPORT THIS CROSS SECTION RIGHT HERE THAT WE SEE ON THE SCREEN WITH THE 11-FOOT LANES.

MAKES IT A 64-FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.

YEAH. AND AGAIN, YOU'RE THE WIDER YOU GO THE MORE TREES YOU'RE LOSING.

BUT WE'RE ALSO ASSUMING THAT THE CENTER OF THE ROAD WILL NOT BE WHERE THE CURRENT CENTER OF THE ROAD IS.

ASSUMING THAT WE CAN SHIFT IT TO THE NORTH, WE GIVE THEM THE DIRECTIONS OF WHAT SECTION, WHAT THE ROAD SECTION IS, AND THEN STAFF IS GOING TO HAVE TO DETERMINE THE MIDDLE, THE MIDDLE AND SAVE THOSE UNDERSTAND TREES.

UNDERSTAND. SO, I AGREE I THINK THE.

MR. PETERSON'S SURVEY HERE MAY HELP A LITTLE BIT.

SO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE COMPLETE ROADWAY IS ALMOST ENTIRELY ON THE PETERSON PROPERTY.

AND THEN HERE IT SHIFTS, AND IT MEANDERS UP A LITTLE BIT.

SO, THE CENTER OF THE EXISTING SCENIC ROAD DOES NOT MATCH THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IF WE IF WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF COMPONENTS WE'RE LOOKING AT, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE CAN KIND OF COME IN AND WE CAN REALLY ENGINEER THIS.

WE WANT TO TRY TO FOLLOW THIS EXISTING CENTER LINE.

DO WE WANT TO TRY TO FOLLOW THE PROPERTY LINE? DO WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS YOU KNOW, MY OPINION IS WE DO THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT AND MINIMUM AMOUNT OF IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT IN PLACING THAT PAVEMENT.

I AGREE, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A QUESTION MARK ON WHERE THAT BIKE CONNECTION WILL BE.

AND TO COUNCILMAN SCHIESTEL'S POINT, WE DO HAVE TIME TO WORK ON THAT; RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH.

RIGHT. NOW THE SMITH TRACT AGAIN IS VERY CONCEPTUAL.

WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T GOT INTO ANY OF THE KIND OF ENGINEERING ON IT YET.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO IGNORE THE SAFETY COMPONENTS FOR THE CYCLISTS, BECAUSE IN THAT ONE HOUR THAT I WAS THERE, I DID SEE A NUMBER OF CYCLISTS AND SOME LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE ROAD RACING. AND THEN I SAW TWO REALLY KIND OF SMALL KIDS WITH THEIR LITTLE BIKES, JUST HAPPILY, YOU KNOW, MOTORING ALONG.

AND I WAS SCARED FOR THEM.

I WILL SAY, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN I FIRST CAME OVER FROM OUR CAPITAL GROUP INTO THE PUBLIC WORKS GROUP IS WE HAD FROM THE CYCLING COMMUNITY A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE PAST THOSE HAIRPIN 90S.

AND SO, WE GOT PERMISSION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO ACTUALLY GO AND CLEAR THOSE OUT TO WHERE YOU COULD SEE INTO THOSE TURNS, AND THEY WERE VERY THANKFUL ON THAT.

SO, THERE IT'S DEFINITELY BEING USED.

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YET THE EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL, THEY'D STILL BE ABLE TO RIDE A BIKE ON IT.

YEAH. OH, YEAH. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU HAVE A WALKER AND A CYCLIST, AND THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME COMMON COURTESIES, YOU KNOW, WHICH I'VE OBSERVED.

THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN HERE.

SOMETIMES IT DOES, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

I DID HAVE JUST ONE GENERAL QUESTION.

WHEN WE REMOVE THE TREES, LET'S SAY ON THE NORTH SIDE, WILL WE ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO KIND OF BUILD UP SOME SORT OF CANOPY THERE TO KIND OF MAKE UP FOR IT OVER TIME? I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE'LL DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN THE PLAN.

TYPICALLY, WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, WE'LL SOMETIMES TRY TO INCORPORATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN, BUT IT'S USUALLY KIND OF MORE LIKE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU EVEN WORK IT IN ONCE YOU GET INTO THAT DESIGN? SO PROBABLY TOO EARLY TO SAY I LIKE THAT IDEA.

COUNCILMAN DREW, THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP.

AND I WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO INVESTIGATE AND IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD, NO PUN INTENDED.

I KNOW IT WILL EXPENSE, BUT I THINK ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE RECENT DEBACLE ON HIGH ROAD AND THE DESTRUCTION OF PEOPLE'S VIEWS AND AND ALL THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A BETTER EFFORT.

AND I WOULD SAY YOU'RE PROBABLY ABOUT TO TALK TO US.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CAREFUL, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SURVEY THERE'S OVERHEAD ELECTRIC.

SURE. I SAW THAT WHEN I WAS IN THAT VICINITY.

IT'S PRETTY HIGH UP.

I DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW TALL IT IS, BUT.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE REGULATIONS ON WHAT CAN BE PLANTED UNDER THE POWER LINES, AND I'M SURE WE OBEY THAT.

BUT SOME SCREENING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING, I THINK.

YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY TWO.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WHERE WE WOULD WORK WITH BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS ON KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING FROM THE PROJECT.

I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT JIM MENTIONED THAT LET'S MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE.

LET'S MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT WE TAKE.

YOU KNOW, STAFF, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET TO THE ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, A PROCESS, YOU KEEP THAT AS A PRIORITY.

YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE COLLABORATIVE INTERACTION WITH THE LANDOWNERS IN THE AREA.

AND IF WE COULD KEEP THAT MOVING, AS CHRIS MENTIONED, IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO PLANT OR REPLACE VEGETATION, I THINK THAT'D BE THE BEST WE CAN DO.

AND I WOULD SAY TYPICALLY WITH A LOT OF OUR THOROUGHFARE STREETS, WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS TOO.

SO, IT'S NOT JUST WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITH JUST A BUNCH IN A SMALL GROUP, LIKE WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO CONTACT EVERYBODY INVOLVED, MAKE A VERY CONCERTED EFFORT TO DO THAT.

YEP. SO, I DO WANT TO ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION.

AND IT'S PRIMARILY ABOUT THE SMITH PROPERTY IN THE ROADS.

IS IT DIFFICULT FOR THE SMITH PROPERTY TO GET AN EXIT ONTO 1171 AND COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THIS EXIT? AND WHAT? WHAT DOES THAT TAKE? I THINK WE WANTED THAT.

WELL, I MEAN, IF WE'RE COMPLETELY ELIMINATING TREE REMOVAL, ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO BUY PROPERTY TO EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO 1171 THROUGH THE SMITH PROPERTY.

OR GET TXDOT TO AGREE TO ANOTHER ACT.

WELL, I'M TALKING WITHIN THE SMITH PROPERTY.

RIGHT THERE. THEY DO CONNECT TO 1171 ON THE NORTH SIDE, RIGHT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING ONE OVER.

YEAH. IN THIS AREA HERE.

YEAH. HERE'S YOUR HERE'S YOUR ONE DRIVEWAY.

WE WOULD TYPICALLY WANT THAT CONNECTED BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOUR MEDIAN OPENING IS GOING TO BE.

AND SO, IT WOULD I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY NOTHING THERE.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY HAVE A BIG BUFFER RIGHT HERE.

OBVIOUSLY, THE LARGE GROVE OF TREES RIGHT HERE.

BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER OF WHAT HE CAN DO WITH HIS PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZING HIS LOT LAYOUT, HIS TREE REMOVAL.

IT'S PROBABLY A LOT OF MORE THINGS THAT GO INTO IT.

YEAH, I JUST ASKED BECAUSE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SAVE THOSE TREES, BUT OKAY.

YEAH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL. WHEN MOST PAVEMENT.

COUNCIL ANYTHING ELSE.

SO, A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WOULD BE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR FROM WALSINGHAM TO CARDINAL.

EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL IN THE EAST WEST PORTION.

OKAY AND ALSO LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR ALONG THE EAST WEST PORTION.

CORRECT. SO, ALL THE WAY FROM WALSINGHAM SOUTH, INCLUDING THE EAST WEST AND LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR WITH AN EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL UP ON THE EAST WEST SECTION.

I WOULD SAY AS A AS PRESENTED AS THIS LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR THAT YOU SEE HERE.

OKAY, THE EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL IS OUTSIDE OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

OKAY. SO, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S GREAT.

I MEAN WE NEED TO KNOW THAT.

SO, THE SOUTH SIDE, ARE WE SAYING LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR WITHOUT A TRAIL.

IT'S BEING OKAY.

IT'S BEING PRESENTED WITH THE EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL, I BELIEVE.

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OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOVE TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR.

IN AN EIGHT-FOOT TRAIL ALONG THE EAST WEST PORTION.

SECOND. ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION.

THERESA. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

ITEM THREE M.PA 23-0008 IS APPROVED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED, RIGHT? WELL, HE WANTED THE BIKE LANE, MAN.

YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT.

THAT WAS SO THAT WAS.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

LDR 24-0001 LAND USE UPDATE.

[M.4. LDR24-0001-Land Use Update - Public Hearing to consider an ordinance amending the Town's Land Development Regulations (LDR24-0001- Land Use Update) by amending Chapter 82 "Development Standards,"Chapter 86" Signs," Chapter 98"Zoning,"and Appendix A "Fees," related to new regulated uses, definations, development standards, and fees for the purpose of clarifying and updating certain sections to reflect current planning practices and State laws. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 6 to 0 at its March 25, 2024, meeting.)]

STARTING US OFF WILL BE MISS LEXIN MURPHY.

WELCOME BACK.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO, THIS IS, AS MENTIONED, A LAND USE UPDATE.

AND SO, IT'S A CONGLOMERATION OF MULTIPLE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD BOTH WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL. SO JUST TO CALL OUT SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, IT CAME UP WITH A PREVIOUS LAND USE UPDATE WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THE TOWN SHOULD BE REGULATING CBD SALES AS WELL.

THAT WAS WHEN WE INTRODUCED THE SMOKING RELATED BUSINESS.

SALES AND THEN ALSO MODEL HOMEWORK SESSION THAT WAS BACK IN 2021 WITH P&Z.

WE HAD SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH MODEL HOMES BEING CONSTRUCTED WHEN MAYBE THEY REALLY WEREN'T MEANT TO BE A MODEL HOME.

AND IT WAS REALLY MORE JUST THEY'RE WANTING TO GET AN EARLY START.

AND SO, THE TOWN WANTED TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT BY PUTTING IN SOME MORE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS OF WHAT'S EXPECTED OF EITHER OF THOSE SOLAR PANEL WORK SESSION.

THAT WAS A CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH COUNCIL, AND I HAD TO DO WITH CHANGES THAT THE STATE MADE TO HOW WE CAN REGULATE SOLAR PANELS.

AND THEN ALSO JUST YOU KNOW, COUNCIL HAD GIVEN THE DIRECTION THEY WERE OKAY WITH EXTENDING THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOLAR PANELS TO NON RESIDENTIAL USES AS WELL.