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THE TIME IS NOW 6:00 AND I CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER.

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGES.

CHAPLAIN RUSS MCNAMER, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION.

BOW YOUR HEADS, PLEASE.

DEAR GOD, OUR CREATOR, WE THANK YOU FOR LIFE.

THIS DAY. AND FOR EACH ONE HERE WE ASK YOUR BLESSING OF PROTECTION FOR OUR POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES AND THOSE IN HARM'S WAY, DEFENDING OUR NATION WHEREVER THEY SERVE.

NOW WE ASK YOUR BLESSING ON THIS MEETING.

GIVE THEM WISDOM IN ALL DECISIONS.

GOD BLESS THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND.

AMEN. AMEN.

THANK YOU, CHAPLAIN MCNAMARA.

IF YOU WOULD REMAIN STANDING, AND PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE TO OUR TEXAS FLAG.

. THANK YOU.

YOU MAY BE SEATED.

[D. PRESENTATION(S)]

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM D PRESENTATIONS.

WE'LL START WITH A PROCLAMATION AND PRESENTATION OF OUR HOMETOWN HERO BANNER TO CAPTAIN JESSE GUAJARDO.

ALL RIGHT. I ALSO HAVE A NOTE THAT JOINING THE CAPTAIN TONIGHT IS HIS WIFE, GRACE, AND THEIR THREE-YEAR-OLD SON.

AND HIS MOTHER, APPARENTLY IS ALSO HERE.

IF ALL OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN ME UP BY THE BANNER, YOU'RE MOST CERTAINLY WELCOME, CAPTAIN.

GOOD EVENING, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, I APPRECIATE.

STAND OVER THERE. SO YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO WANT TO LOOK UP THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALL THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE WATCHING US FROM HOME.

SO, CAPTAIN, THIS IS, THIS KIND OF SPECIAL, RIGHT? AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN US DO THIS BEFORE, FROM HOME OR NOT, BUT I THINK THESE PROCLAMATIONS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.

YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE TIME TO GO AHEAD AND READ ALL OF THE WHEREASES THIS EVENING.

SO, FROM THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR, A PROCLAMATION.

WHEREAS CAPTAIN JESSE GRADUATED FROM FLOWER MOUND HIGH SCHOOL IN 2007.

WHEREAS HE JOINED THE ROTC PROGRAM AT TEXAS TECH UNIVERSITY BEFORE GRADUATING WITH A MARKETING DEGREE.

AND WHEREAS, CAPTAIN JESSE WAS COMMISSIONED AS AN OFFICER IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY IN 2011.

AND WHEREAS, HE CURRENTLY SERVES IN THE TEXAS ARMY NATIONAL GUARD AS A CHINOOK HELICOPTER COMPANY COMMANDER AND INSTRUCTOR PILOT.

NOW. THEREFORE, I, DEREK FRANCE, MAYOR OF THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND, TEXAS, AND ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS OF YOUR TOWN COUNCIL AND ALL OF OUR CITIZENS, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE OUR OWN HOMETOWN HERO, JESSE.

WEIRDO.

AND THEN, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO USE ONE OF YOUR PHONES FOR A PICTURE? WE'LL ALSO EMAIL THESE EMAILS.

FINE.

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WELL, THAT WAS AWESOME.

SO, WITH THAT, WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM E PUBLIC COMMENT.

[E. PUBLIC COMMENT]

JUST AS A REMINDER, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE TOWN COUNCIL REGARDING ANY ITEM ON THIS AGENDA THAT IS NOT MARKED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. ISSUES REGARDING DAILY OPERATIONAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS SHOULD FIRST BE DEALT WITH BY CALLING OUR TOWN HALL AT (972) 874-6000 DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, THE TOWN COUNCIL IS RESTRICTED FROM DISCUSSING OR ACTING ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.

TO SPEAK TO TOWN COUNCIL DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THESE GREEN COMMENT FORMS. SPEAKERS TONIGHT WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, AND A TONE WILL SOUND WHEN YOU HAVE 30S LEFT AND AGAIN WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

WHEN IT IS YOUR TURN TO SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TOWARDS US.

YOUR TOWN COUNCIL.

STARTING US OFF TONIGHT WILL BE MR. JOE BERNARD.

GOOD EVENING, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, JOE BERNARD.

10605 SUNRISE CIRCLE FLOWER MOUND TEXAS 76226.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

I WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO FEBRUARY THE 7TH, 2022.

YOU, MR. MAYOR, SITTING AND PRESIDING AND THE MAJORITY OF TOWN COUNCIL THAT DOES SIT.

BEFORE YOU APPROVED THIS CONSENT ITEM, NO QUESTIONS WERE RAISED.

NOTHING WAS ASKED.

NUMBER 12, SUNRISE CIRCLE WASTEWATER CONNECTION DESIGN.

CONSIDER APPROVAL FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH JONES CARTER, INC.

FOR THE DESIGN PHASE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUNRISE CIRCLE WASTEWATER CONNECTION PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $40,000.

THIS WAS PUSHED THROUGH BY YOU AS A TOWN COUNCIL.

IN THE FUTURE.

A FEW MONTHS AGO, YOU AS A TOWN COUNCIL REFUSED TO PROVIDE MY COMMUNITY SUNRISE CIRCLE, A WASTEWATER CONNECTION PROJECT.

YOU SPENT $40,000 DESIGNING A PROJECT THAT YOU THEN REFUSED TO GIVE US.

YEAH, WE'RE ALL AGREEABLE IN THAT.

$40,000 WAS WASTED.

THIS IS THE PROJECT.

THIS IS WHAT THE TOWN ESSENTIALLY MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

ALL OF THESE PEOPLE'S TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

WHAT $40,000 WAS SPENT ON ITS APPROXIMATELY 16 PAGES LONG.

THAT'S THE FIRST PAGE OF IT.

I HAVE A COPY IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE IT.

THIS IS WHERE BIDS WENT OUT FOR THIS PROJECT.

YOU, AS A TOWN COUNCIL, APPROVED PUTTING SEWAGE INTO SUNRISE CIRCLE IN THE APPROXIMATE SHAPE OF THE GREEN LINE, INTO A COMMUNITY WHICH YOU THEN REFUSE TO PROVIDE IT FOR BECAUSE YOU JUSTIFIED IT THROUGH THE ACTIONS OF.

WE DON'T PROVIDE THESE SERVICES THROUGH THE TOWN.

THAT WAS YOUR JUSTIFICATION.

WE DON'T WE DON'T PROVIDE THESE SERVICES TO COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T ALREADY HAVE THEM.

YET $40,000 WAS SPENT OF OUR TAXPAYER MONEY.

BUILDING THIS PROJECT, YOU THEN REFUSE TO GIVE IT TO US.

THE POOREST PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

WE LIVE IN A TRAILER PARK WHERE SEWAGE FLOWS DOWN THE ROADS.

YET YOU REFUSE TO PROVIDE US WASTEWATER SERVICES.

MR. MAYOR, YOU RUN CROSS TIMBER CONSULTING COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH AND EXPERTISE.

WE CONNECT OUR CUSTOMERS WITH GOVERNMENT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LEVELS.

WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

WHY WAS $40,000 WASTED? IS IT TRUE THAT MAYOR DEREK FRANCE DOES NOT OWN PROPERTY IN THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND? AND WHY IS IT NOT A REQUIREMENT TO BE A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND AND TO OWN PROPERTY IN SUCH? WHY IS THAT NOT A REQUIREMENT TO BE ON TOWN COUNCIL?

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WHAT FINANCIAL INTERESTS DO YOU, MR. DEREK FRANCE, HAVE IN OUR TOWN AND IS CROSS CHAMBERS CONSULTING? IF ARE YOU BEING PAID TO CONSULT IN ANY WAY ON LOCAL MATTERS AND OR HOW TO RECEIVE $200 MILLION IN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT WILL BE MR. SY SIMONSON.

MR. MAYOR, TOWN COUNCIL.

I'M SY SIMONSON, 3104 NATIVE OAK DRIVE.

I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO A COMBAT REBOOT GRADUATION ON THURSDAY.

I HAVE FLIERS I'LL GIVE THEM TO THE SECRETARY TO GIVE TO YOU.

BUT, OVER THE LAST TEN WEEKS, GINGER'S BEEN DOING A REBOOT FOR TRAUMA RECOVERY FOR SEVERAL VETERANS.

WE HAVE A GRADUATION ON THURSDAY, AND A COUPLE FLOWER MOUND VETERANS WERE IN THE PROGRAM WILL BE GRADUATING THEN.

SO, I'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU THERE.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE OUT AT OUR VETERANS POINT OUT ON DENHAM ROAD.

SO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL JUST LEAVE SOME FLIERS.

I'LL LET YOU GET ON WITH BUSINESS.

THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

AND NEXT WE'LL HAVE MISS JACKIE NORRELL.

GOOD EVENING, TOWN COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR FRANCE.

I STAND BEFORE YOU HERE TONIGHT AS THE REIGNING CHAIR OF THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION TASK FORCE.

AND I STAND BEFORE YOU ALSO WITH ALL OF MY WONDERFUL COMMISSIONERS, TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US THROUGH THIS PERILOUSLY WONDERFUL, EXTRAORDINARY ADVENTURE INTO THE UNKNOWN THAT WE HAVE TAKEN WITH THIS WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY OF CREATING AN HISTORICAL TASK FORCE.

THANK YOU TO THE TOWN STAFF AS WELL.

AND IT'S JUST WITH OUR GREATEST AMBITION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING US.

AND WE WILL NEVER LET YOU DOWN.

[INAUDIBLE] I FORGOT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE'LL HAVE MISS JANVIER WARNER.

GOOD EVENING.

JANVIER WARNER 2829 BOBWHITE LANE.

THOUGH I SERVE AS VICE CHAIR ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, I'M HERE AS A RESIDENT TO ANNOUNCE MY CANDIDACY FOR TOWN COUNCIL PLACE FOUR.

FLOWER MOUND IS MY HOME.

IT'S WHERE I GREW UP.

IT'S WHERE I CHOSE TO RAISE MY CHILDREN AFTER I GRADUATED COLLEGE, WHERE MY HUSBAND AND JOHN AND I SHARE FOUR CHILDREN, SEVEN GRANDCHILDREN, AND QUITE A FEW ANIMALS.

FLOWER MOUND IS MY FOREVER HOME.

I'VE WORKED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER FOR THE LAST 37 YEARS IN DALLAS, BUT I'VE REMAINED ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR MOST OF MY LIFE.

FROM THE TIME I WAS A TEENAGER UNTIL NOW, I'VE TAUGHT HUNDREDS OF CHILDREN AND ADULTS THE JOYS OF RIDING HORSES ON OUR MODEST FARM. IN ADDITION TO MY DUAL CAREERS, I'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME VOLUNTEERING.

MOST RECENTLY, I'M SERVING AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE FLOWER MOUND NEW CENTURY LIONS CLUB.

AND LIONS CLUB IS AN INTERNATIONAL SERVICE ORGANIZATION.

WHEN MY PARENTS BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY IN THE 60S.

FLOWER MOUND WAS COMPLETELY RURAL AND HAD 275 RESIDENTS.

I HAVE SEEN OUR POPULATION GROW TO OVER 80,000 IN MY LIFETIME.

MY FAMILY AND I CARE VERY DEEPLY FOR THIS TOWN.

THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, WE HAVE STOOD IN FRONT OF COUNTLESS COUNCILS ADVOCATING FOR RESIDENTS, ASKING THE TOWN TO MAINTAIN HIGH STANDARDS, LOW DENSITY, OPEN SPACES.

MY VOTING RECORD ON PNC CLEARLY SHOWS THAT I BELIEVE RESIDENTS QUALITY OF LIFE MATTERS OVER INVESTMENT INTERESTS.

WHILE WE COLLECTIVELY HELP BRING, QUALITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO FLOWER MOUND, WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO REMEMBER TO PRESERVE WHAT'S UNIQUE AND SPECIAL ABOUT OUR TOWN AS WE BALANCE THIS GROWTH.

ALL OF MY EXPERIENCES HAVE PREPARED ME TO SERVE AS YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER.

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I HUMBLY ASK FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS FOR YOUR VOTE ON MAY 7TH.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND NEXT TO SPEAK WILL BE MR. TIM WHISENHUNT.

COULD HEAR YOU, SIR.

JUST GENERAL COMMENTS.

YES, SIR. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC NOT A PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA.

I HAVE IT MARKED AS AGENDA ITEM ONE, WHICH IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

WELL, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, SIR, YOU'D NEED TO DO IT NOW.

AGENDA ITEM ONE IS THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

OKAY. AND AGENDA ITEM TWO IS THE PIT.

AND THAT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY, GOOD. WELL, I'LL JUST, I WANT TO SUPPORT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION UNDER THREAT FROM JACKIE NORELL.

NO, NOT REALLY, BUT WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR? OH, YES. TIM WHISNANT AT 2300 OLYMPIA.

BUT, KIDDING ASIDE, YOU DON'T WANT TO STAND IN FRONT OF THESE LADIES WHEN THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING, AND THEY'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, SO I'D ADVISE YOU NOT TO STAND IN THEIR WAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

VERY RAMBUNCTIOUS AUDIENCE THIS EVENING.

IT'S GREAT. MR. BIKE I DO HAVE YOU DOWN AS SUPPORTING AGENDA ITEM K.1, THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

ALTHOUGH IT'S A WHITE CARD.

MAYBE HE FILLED IT OUT AND LEFT.

OKAY, SO HE IS IN SUPPORT OF THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

THERESA, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE GREEN COMMENT CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? I DO NOT, THE REST ARE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

SEEING AND HEARING NONE.

ITEM E PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM F ANNOUNCEMENTS.

[F. ANNOUNCEMENTS]

WE'LL START WITH MY LEFT WITH MR. TAYLOR. YEAH.

SO, FEBRUARY IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH, SO THE LIBRARY IS DOING SOME DISPLAYS OF BOOK DISPLAYS OF BLACK VOICES.

SO, SOMETHING TO CHECK OUT.

OUR POLICE ACADEMY JUST OPENED REGISTRATION FOR THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY.

SO, LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR POLICE ORGANIZATION AND WHAT THEY'RE UP TO AND ALL THE WORK THAT THEY DO FOR OUR GREAT TOWN.

AND THEN NEXT MONTH, WE'VE GOT THE CIRCUS COMING BACK TO THE RIVERWALK.

SO, SOMETHING TO CHECK OUT OVER THERE AND SUPPORT THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWN IN THE RIVERWALK.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAD.

THANK YOU, MR. DREW. SIR, A COUPLE ITEMS. I'LL TAG ON TO WHAT MR. DREW SAID AND GIVE YOU A DATE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CITIZEN'S POLICE ACADEMY APPLICATIONS TURNED IN BY MARCH 15TH.

SO, IT'S OPEN NOW, BUT YOU HAVE UNTIL MARCH 15TH, AND IT'S A COURSE THAT I TOOK BACK IN 2016-2017 TIME FRAME.

SO VERY EDUCATIONAL.

IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.

BY TAKING THAT CLASS, YOU CAN ULTIMATELY JOIN THE FLOWER MOUND CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION.

AND YOU CAN ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THE POLICE VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION AND THE KSP, OTHER ITEMS IN GOING THROUGH THE PACKET FOR TONIGHT.

ON PAGE 501, THERE IS OUR CONTRACT ON OUR REPUBLIC SERVICES AGREEMENT. AND IN THERE ON PAGE 501 IS A LISTING OF ALL THE, THE COSTS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED IN GOING THROUGH THE PACKET IS, GEEZ, THERE'S A SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNT OF $1.50 A MONTH.

AND THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU GET THAT, AS I FOUND OUT TODAY, IS YOU HAVE TO CONTACT THE TOWN AND THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO VERIFY YOUR INFORMATION AND GIVE YOU A BUCK 50 OFF PLUS TAX PER MONTH TO GET THAT DISCOUNT.

SEND AN EMAIL MESSAGE INQUIRING ABOUT IT, TO CUSTOMER RELATIONS AT FLOWERMOUND.COM.

SO, THE TOWN WILL GIVE YOU A DISCOUNT, AND THEN THEY'LL GO BACK TO REPUBLIC AND GET THE DISCOUNT FROM THEM AS WELL.

SO, HEY, IT'S 18 BUCKS A YEAR PLUS TAX, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BUY YOU A COUPLE COFFEES.

YEAH, A FEW CUPS OF COFFEE.

MISS MARTIN, I'D LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT ON A COUPLE OF HAPPY OCCASIONS.

HAPPY 50TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY TO THE COLLINS.

AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO JACKIE NORRELL.

THANK YOU. RON ADAM.

ALL RIGHT, SO, I HAVE A COUPLE, SO I'VE ALREADY ANNOUNCED MY CANDIDACY FOR REELECTION AS YOUR MAYOR.

BUT TONIGHT, I'M HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT I HAVE ALSO ALREADY RECEIVED THE ENDORSEMENT FROM THE FLOWER MOUND POLICE ASSOCIATION AND OUR FLOWER MOUND FIREFIGHTERS

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ASSOCIATION. SO, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT I'M ALSO EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE FLOWER MOUND CITIZENS ACADEMY HERE OBSERVING THE MEETING TONIGHT.

SO, IF YOU'RE IN OUR CITIZENS ACADEMY, IF YOU COULD STAND UP OR WAVE YOUR HAND SO WE CAN ALL SEE YOU.

SEE. THERE WE GO A COUPLE OF FOLKS.

THANK YOU, GUYS, ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT AND GOING THROUGH OUR ACADEMY.

I ALSO HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT OUR SECOND ANNUAL TRI-CITY NEIGHBORHOOD SUMMIT WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 24TH.

THIS FREE EVENT IS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND AND THE CITIES OF LEWISVILLE AND COPPELL.

PARTICIPANTS WILL LEARN HOW THEY CAN BUILD STRONGER NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS TO CHOOSE FROM.

FOR MORE INFORMATION AND TO REGISTER, VISIT FLOWER MOUND DOT COM FORWARD SLASH NEIGHBORHOOD SUMMIT.

AND WITH THAT, SIR, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR.

[G. TOWN MANAGER'S REPORT]

CHILDERS FOR OUR TOWN MANAGER'S REPORT.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. CONSIDERING, IN FACT, WE HAVE SOME PRETTY BIG ITEMS AND A LOT OF FOLKS HERE FOR THOSE ITEMS. I'M GOING TO FOREGO THE MAYOR'S REPORT THIS EVENING AND GET US DOWN.

DOWN THE ROAD. COUNCIL.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I SUPPOSE SO.

MOVING ON TO ITEM H.

FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS WILL START WITH MY RIGHT WITH MR. SCHIESTEL. ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO.

[I. COORDINATION OF CALENDARS]

COORDINATION OF CALENDARS.

WILL EVERYONE BE AVAILABLE FOR THE FEBRUARY 15TH WORK SESSION NEXT WEEK AND FEBRUARY 19TH REGULAR MEETING? YES. MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

ITEM J CONSENT.

[J. CONSENT ITEM(S)]

DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MOVE ANY CONSENT ITEMS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH 11.

I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS J ONE THROUGH 11 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION? THERESA. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

ITEM J CONSENT ITEMS PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

MOVING ON. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM K ONE.

[K.1. Historical Commission (creation) and MOU with County - Consider approval of a Resolution to create a Historical Commission and a Memorandum of Understanding between the Town of Flower Mound, Texas and Denton County regarding the storage of historical artifacts.]

REGULAR ITEMS, OUR HISTORICAL COMMISSION CREATION AND MOU WITH OUR COUNTY.

I HAVE, MISS THERESA SCOTT PRESENTING ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND OR FEEDBACK THIS EVENING IS MISS JACKIE NORRELL, OUR HISTORICAL COMMISSION TASK FORCE CHAIR, AND I BELIEVE KATHY BLAIR ALSO.

SO, MR. NORRELL AND MISS BLAIR AFTER THE STAFF PRESENTATION.

IF COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR WE NEED TO CLARIFY ANYTHING.

THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HERE NAMED AS BEING ON THE AGENDA.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M GOING TO JUST GO OVER SOME OF THE BASIC DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION AS WELL AS STAFF, AND YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, RECEIVED SOME EMAILS FROM A COUPLE OF Y'ALL OVER THE WEEKEND AND TODAY AND WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT IS PLANNED AND WHAT THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WILL BE ON BOTH SIDES FOR THE COMMISSION, AS WELL AS FOR TOWN STAFF.

SO THE PURPOSE I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF THIS.

I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF JUMP THROUGH SOME OF THIS BECAUSE ALL OF IT IS IN YOUR PACKET AND IDENTIFIED IN THE RESOLUTION.

IT'S JUST GOING TO CALL OUT SOME AREAS TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS.

WHEN THOSE TOPICS COME UP THAT YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS ON.

SO THE MEMBERS THEY DO SERVE AN ADVISORY AND PARTICIPATIVE ROLE.

THE IT'S TEN MEMBERS, WHICH IS KIND OF A UNIQUE STRUCTURE.

AND BY DESIGN WE HAD IT'S UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT THERE'S A FIVE PLUS YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT, WHICH MOST BOARDS ARE JUST A YEAR.

BUT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THIS BOARD AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING AND LOOKING FROM EXAMPLES FROM OTHER CITIES, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS A GOOD LOGICAL STEP TO HAVE THAT RESIDENCY OF FIVE YEARS SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THAT HISTORY AND NOT JUST JUMP IN COLD.

AND THEN THERE'S SOME UNIQUE ELEMENTS ABOUT YOU ALL HAVE THE DISCRETION TO APPOINT TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE NOT FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS, SHOULD YOU WISH TO DO SO.

IF THEY HAVE THE BACKGROUND IN HISTORY, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR THE BOARD, THE COMMISSION, AND THEN ONE EX-OFFICIO MEMBER THAT WOULD BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORY AND CULTURE.

SO JUST TO ADD SOME KIND OF MIX TO THAT GROUP, AND THEN THE TERMS WOULD BE JUST LIKE OTHER BOARDS WHERE THEY'RE STAGGERED WITH EVEN NUMBERS AND EVEN NUMBER YEARS, AND THEN ODD NUMBERS FOR ODD NUMBER YEARS.

AND IT MIGHT BE KIND OF ODD THAT THEY'RE STARTING, THEIR SERVICE THIS YEAR AND THEIR TERM WILL ALREADY BE UP IN 2024, BUT IT JUST HELPS TO KEEP IT GOING WHERE IT'S THE PLACE AND THE POSITION. IT'S NOT THE PERSON PER SE.

AND THEN LIKE OTHER BOARDS, THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION SELECTS THEIR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR BY THE VOTING MEMBERS.

AND THE LANGUAGE AT THE BOTTOM IN ITALICS IS WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE OTHER QUALIFICATIONS FOR MEMBERSHIP, THAT INCLUDE A SINCERE INTEREST IN HISTORY, ETC.

WHAT'S IN YELLOW IS IF YOU DON'T MIND ME SHARING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL IS WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL SUGGESTED HAVING SOMETHING BASED ON FEEDBACK HE RECEIVED ABOUT THEIR ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT IN PROJECTS OR SUBCOMMITTEES, SO THIS WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED IN THE LANGUAGE SHOULD THERE BE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION.

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WITH THIS ADDED TEXT OF INCLUDING THE ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT IN PROJECTS ARTS COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEES? JUST TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, YOU KNOW WHAT THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR SERVICE ARE AND THERE IS SOME ELEMENT OF SERVICE, A LOT OF SERVICE INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY AS THEY GET GOING.

SO, FOR TONIGHT, A MOTION WOULD BE NEEDED TO APPOINT MEMBERS TO SERVE.

KEEP IN MIND, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE MOTION FOR MEMBERS TO SERVE.

YOU JUST HAVE THAT OPTION.

WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AS FAR AS THE ADDITIONAL TWO MEMBERS, SHOULD IT NOT BE THE THERE'S A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS HERE, NOT BE THE SEVEN MEMBERS THAT SERVED ON THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, OR YOU ALL MAY WANT TO DO A CALL FOR APPLICANTS IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THE ENTIRE BOARD.

THAT IS CERTAINLY YOUR PREROGATIVE, OR AT MINIMUM, THE TWO MEMBERS THAT ARE NEEDED.

WE WOULD NEED THAT FEEDBACK ON HOW YOU WANT TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS.

AND THEN THE MEETINGS ARE A STRUCTURED DATE OF THE SECOND THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.

KIND OF HARD TO FIND A DATE THAT WASN'T ALREADY IN USE BY ANOTHER BOARD OR COMMISSION, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED.

AND THEN THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF NOT HAVING A MEETING SHOULD THERE BE NO BUSINESS AT HAND TO DISCUSS, AND THE MEETINGS WILL BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

SO ALL THE THINGS THAT THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DO RELATIVE TO BROADCASTING IN THIS ROOM AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS, AND YOU CAN STOP ME AT ANY POINT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I KNOW I'M KIND OF RUNNING THROUGH IT PRETTY FAST.

THE FIVE YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.

NOT CONSECUTIVE FIVE YEARS, I ASSUME IF YOU MAYBE YOU'RE IN TOWN FOR SEVERAL YEARS, YOU GO AWAY, YOU COME BACK.

THAT WOULD STILL SATISFY THAT REQUIREMENT.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

WE COULD MAKE IT CONSECUTIVE.

SO THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY THERE AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

UNLESS THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO YOU.

NO. I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE THE DISCRETION CUMULATIVE BECAUSE I DON'T NECESSARILY YEAH.

IT DOESN'T SAY CONSECUTIVE. RIGHT.

OKAY. GOOD. THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU. SO, IT COULD BE INTERPRETED AS CUMULATIVE SINCE IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY IT COULD BE OKAY.

BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO ACTUALLY HAVE ADD THAT IN THERE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE THAT COME BEHIND.

SINCE WE ARE CREATING SOMETHING HERE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A LONG SHELF LIFE.

WE HOPE SO. I'M GOING TO MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.

THANK YOU. UNLESS.

YEAH, I WOULD SAY DON'T PUT CONSECUTIVE.

OH, DON'T PUT IT IN THERE OKAY. THAT WAS MY REST OKAY.

TOTAL. THANK YOU. OKAY I WANTED TO ASK, SO ARE YOU SAYING WE NEED TO DO IT LIKE TOTAL OR.

YEAH. SO, IF SOMEONE.

LEAVES THE TOWN FOR A YEAR, COMES BACK.

BUT THEY WERE HERE FOR 20 YEARS BEFORE THAT.

I DON'T SEE THAT AS RIGHT.

IS BREAKING YOUR FIVE YEARS.

I AGREE THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

MORE ON THAT LATER AS WE NAME OUR MEMBERS.

YEAH. OKAY, I DID WANT TO ASK A QUESTION THERESA ABOUT.

I THINK IT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE ON THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, BECAUSE I SEE THIS AS SUCH A INTRICATE PART OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IN OPEN COMMUNICATIONS WITH ONE ANOTHER OUTSIDE OF AN OFFICIAL MEETING, AND I WONDERED HOW THAT MIGHT WORK.

ARE THE SUBCOMMITTEES ALSO SUBJECT TO THE OPEN MEETING ACT, OR IS THERE? NO, NO, THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS JUST AS COUNCIL CONFORM SUBCOMMITTEES.

AS LONG AS IT'S LESS THAN A QUORUM, THEN THEY WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY BE SUBJECT TO THE ACT.

I STILL THINK YOU KNOW LESS THAN A QUORUM.

MANY MORE OF THEM MIGHT WANT TO WEIGH IN.

SO, I JUST AM CONCERNED THAT THEY MAY INADVERTENTLY AND UNINTENTIONALLY PERHAPS VIOLATE THAT WITHOUT EVEN MAYBE KNOWING ABOUT IT OR THINKING ABOUT IT. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUCH AN ACTIVE GROUP, IT WILL BE HARD FOR THEM NOT TO SEND EMAILS TO ONE ANOTHER, OR CALL ONE ANOTHER, OR HAVE CONVERSATIONS.

AND THAT'S THE FOUNDATION THAT WE'RE SETTING THIS EVENING.

AND JAMES AND I MET WITH THE GROUP ACTUALLY A WHILE BACK, AND WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE ELEMENTS ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBER WITH THE TOWN, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS.

AND THERE'S ALSO SOME ELEMENTS OF COMMUNICATION THAT WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT LATER THAT IS DIFFERENT.

BUT I THINK THAT THAT HELPS.

THERE'S ALSO THIS WILL BE FOR THE STAFF LIAISON TO GUIDE THEM THROUGH.

BUT FOR THOSE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, IT'S TYPICAL WHERE THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING THEY REPORT ON THOSE ACTIVITIES.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S DONE IN A VACUUM WITHOUT THAT COMMUNICATION OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WEIGHING IN ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. I DO LIKE THE TRANSPARENCY OF THAT, BUT I STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT IMPEDED IN ANY WAY BY WORRYING ABOUT, CAN THEY EVEN TALK TO EACH OTHER? WELL, IF IT WAS SOMETHING SO EXIGENT, WOULDN'T THEY BE AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING? THEY COULD.

HOPEFULLY THE ONCE A MONTH TAKES CARE OF A LOT BECAUSE INITIALLY, THEY WANTED QUARTERLY, SO WE'RE EVEN UPPING IT, GETTING IT FASTER THAN WHAT THEY REALLY ORIGINALLY OUTLINED IN THEIR REPORT FOR QUARTERLY VERSUS NOW ONE MONTH.

SO HOPEFULLY ONE MONTH DOES THAT.

BUT I KNOW THERE MAY BE A LOT IN THE BEGINNING.

IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THEY COULDN'T, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PLANNED AND SCHEDULED BECAUSE WE HAVE RESOURCES WITH THE FOLKS IN THE AV BOOTH, WHICH IS BASICALLY A THREE-HOUR MINIMUM, $60 EVERY TIME, LIGHTS, CAMERA ACTION.

SO, THERE'S A COST.

SO, THE PREVAILING MINIMUM OF THE CURRENT MEMBERS WAS THEY COULD OPERATE WITHIN THIS CONTEXT WITHOUT A PROBLEM AT ALL.

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THEY COULD IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL.

NOW THERE'S A LOT MORE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, IT'S BUTTONED AND ISOLATED TO THAT.

IT'S MORE STRUCTURED.

SO, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO COME UP THEMSELVES WITH WHAT THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE.

THAT'S AN ELEMENT AS WELL.

SO, THEY HAVE TO DECIDE AS A GROUP THAT THESE ARE THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT WE WANT TO GO FORWARD IN AND ADDRESSING AT TOPIC X, Y, AND Z.

AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD THE TRAINING YET, HAVE THEY? IS THERE JUST THE TASK FORCE? SO, THEY MAY NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ALL IS ENTAILED AT THIS POINT.

YEAH. AND THIS IS YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, THAT THIS IS UNCHARTERED TERRITORY BECAUSE VERY UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT THIS COMMISSION IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CAPTURING HISTORY AND NOT NECESSARILY A HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF HAVING HISTORICAL DISTRICTS, LAND ISSUES THAT GO INTO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN ORDINANCE IF THAT WAS THE CASE AND NOT A RESOLUTION.

BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT.

AND IT'S WE'RE KIND OF.

WRITING THINGS DOWN AND LAYING TRACKS, SO TO SPEAK, FOR THE TRAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MOVING AND, YOU KNOW, FIGURING SOME THINGS OUT.

SO THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT MODIFICATIONS COULDN'T COME FORWARD.

SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS AMISS WHEN IT WAS TIME TO CREATE THIS AND THAT, IT FITS WITH THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING? SO, ELIMINATING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO CONFORM TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT COULD BE DONE IN THE FUTURE.

IF WE DIDN'T DO IT NOW, I THINK THERE WOULD BE A HISTORY, THOUGH, OF THEM ACTING UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

AND THIS IS WHERE BRANT CAN, YOU KNOW, ADD TO THAT.

BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW WE HAVE HANDLED THE BOARD'S OPERATING TODAY, BECAUSE THEY HAD A HISTORY OF OPERATING UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

SO, THIS WOULD BE THE DECIDING POINT.

FOR THAT GROUP. SO.

OKAY. AND SUBCOMMITTEES.

NOW THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

SO, THERE WAS, QUITE A BIT OF EMAILS AND I JUST WANT TO KIND OF BRING ATTENTION TO BE ABOVE AS FAR AS, HOW THE GROUP IS GOING TO GO ABOUT IDENTIFYING ITEMS, BECAUSE THIS RESOLUTION WAS SILENT ON SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE HISTORICAL ITEMS AND INFORMATION.

AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THAT FEEL LIKE? SO, WE WANTED TO ALLOW THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION TO ACTUALLY COME UP WITH THAT ON THEIR OWN AND BRING THAT FORWARD FOR ADOPTION BY COUNCIL AND THEN BY ADOPTION BY COUNCIL.

IT INVOLVES AN ELEMENT WHERE WE BRING LEGAL IN, THEY LOOK AT IT WHERE EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD WITH.

THIS IS THE TYPE OF ITEMS THEY'LL COLLECT.

THIS IS THE PROCESS.

THEY'LL GO ABOUT DOING IT BECAUSE IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE ADDED ANOTHER SIX MONTHS IF YOU HAD ME SITTING DOWN AND TRYING TO THINK OF EVERYTHING THAT THE BIG BUCKET OF WHAT THIS COULD BE, AND THIS IS A GOOD FIT FOR THEM, THEY'LL HAVE BUY IN FOR THAT POLICY BECAUSE THEY COLLECTIVELY CAME UP WITH IT, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERED FROM ALL THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S MARRYING THAT WITH THE, POLICY THAT THEY CREATE.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE LEGAL OVERSIGHT AS WELL.

SO, THIS, THE RESOLUTION TALKS ABOUT ARTIFACTS AND COLLECTING ARTIFACTS.

SO, FOR THINGS THAT CAN'T BE COLLECTED, BUILDINGS, TREES, WHATEVER THE COMMISSION ITSELF WILL STEER WHAT THAT POLICY ULTIMATELY LOOKS LIKE.

AND THEN THAT WILL COME BEFORE COUNCIL AT A LATER TIME.

THEY WILL THERE PROBABLY WILL BE A MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE MEAN BY LAND AND BUILDINGS.

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IDENTIFYING THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH ON A WEBSITE, LET'S SAY WE HAVE THIS WEBSITE THAT HAS ALL THE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES, IF YOU WILL, IN TOWN THAT WE KNOW OF, BETWEEN THAT HAVE HISTORICAL MARKERS.

THAT'S AN EASY AND MORE IN THE LINES OF INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COMES FORWARD.

IF THEY'RE WANTING TO DO THINGS IN THE WAY OF BUILDINGS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

THAT COMES MORE UNDER THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION ELEMENT OF LAND AND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND I'M SURE TOMMY HAS A NOVEL HE CAN SHARE WITH YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT IT'S VERY IN-DEPTH, MANY LAYERS TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T INVOLVE LAND PER SE.

BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THOSE DECISIONS DON'T HAVE TO BE CODIFIED IN THIS RESOLUTION.

THEY WILL BE DISCUSSED BY THIS COMMISSION.

AND THEN THAT WILL LEAD TO FUTURE.

OKAY. AND I SUSPECT WHEN THAT COMES UP ON THEIR AGENDA, THAT PERHAPS WE'LL HAVE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT THAT EITHER IS LEGAL OR FROM PLANNING THAT CAN WALK THROUGH.

WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR WITH THAT? JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS IDENTIFYING THINGS ON A MAP THAT CAN BE DONE TODAY, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT THOSE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT LOCATIONS ARE THAT COULD BE DONE.

I DO HAVE A CAUTION IN THERE.

I THINK IN THE INFORMATION THAT I PROVIDED YOU ALL IN AN EMAIL, THAT WHEN YOU START IDENTIFYING THINGS THAT ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT GETS A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D NECESSARILY WANT THE TREE IN MY BACKYARD TO BE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE AS OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, I'VE GOT PEOPLE DRIVING BY MY HOUSE TO WANT TO SEE THE HISTORICAL TREE.

SO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THIS SITUATION, TO BE HONEST, BUT I'M JUST GIVING AN EXAMPLE OF, WELL, I THINK THAT SOME CAUTION NEEDS TO BE IN PLAY, THAT'S ALL.

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SO, ACQUIRE ITEMS INFORMATION USING.

THEY WOULD ESTABLISH THE CRITERIA BY WHICH THEY WENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT THOSE ITEMS AND THOSE ARTIFACTS.

SO, ALL OF THAT IS NOT IN THIS DOCUMENT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE AMBIGUITY IS IT'S NOT SPELLED OUT THAT THIS IS X, Y AND Z, BUT THEY HAVE SOME WORK TO DO, IF YOU WILL, IN CREATING THOSE DOCUMENTS. AND THAT'S PROBABLY, HOPEFULLY A GOOD START FOR THEM TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING WITH BUTTONING UP SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND POLICIES AND BRINGING THAT FORWARD.

AND WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR AGAIN, FOR THE LEGAL ELEMENT THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSENT BEFORE ENTERING PRIVATE PROPERTY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THE TOWN IS NOT AT RISK OR LIABILITY THERE, BECAUSE NOW THEY WILL BE OPERATING UNDER HISTORICAL COMMISSION OF THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND.

AND THEN PROJECTS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO ALSO AGAIN DEVELOP THE PROCEDURES AND GUIDELINES FOR CONDUCTING ORAL HISTORY.

SO, IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE SOMEONE RANDOMLY THAT SOMEONE THINKS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ESTABLISHED CRITERIA.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

YOU KNOW, 20-YEAR RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, AGE, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT QUALIFIES THEM TO BE SOMEONE THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN ORAL HISTORY CONDUCTED WITH? AND I BELIEVE THE OFFICE OF HISTORY AND CULTURE AND PEGGY'S WITH US THIS EVENING.

I NOTICED AND SHE INDICATED THAT THEY HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT CAN HELP TRAIN THE COMMISSION ON HOW TO DO THAT.

SO THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

AND THEN THE WEB PRESENCE, I TOUCHED ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THESE ARE JUST SOME THINGS THAT WERE IN THE DOCUMENT.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THEM, FEEL FREE.

BUT THERE'S ONE THING, ADVISE STAFF ON THE ISSUES AND UPDATES REGARDING HISTORY OF FLOWER MOUND IN THE BOOK SWEET FLOWER MOUND LAND THAT IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY IN THE PARKS BOARD LANGUAGE AND WOULD BE TRANSFERRED OVER TO THIS DOCUMENT AT SOME POINT.

AND THEN SPECIAL MATTERS.

THEY WOULD COORDINATE WITH THE TOWN DEPARTMENTS FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT ALIGNS WITH THE COMMISSION'S.

THIS IS WHERE GETTING THEM INVOLVED WITH THINGS.

A LOT OF EVENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY DO HAVING A FLOAT IN THE CHRISTMAS PARADE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO BRING ATTENTION TO HISTORY.

AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT THEY COULD DO THAT THESE AREN'T SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT, BUT STAFF WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY WERE AWARE OF THAT AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE WAYS.

SO, A SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO FORM TO ASSIST, SAY, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, ON SOME KIND OF HISTORICAL ACTIVITY.

RIGHT. THAT IS THAT KIND OF HOW WE CONTEMPLATE THAT WOULD BE HANDLED.

IT DEPENDS ON IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AS TO THE LEVEL OF CREATING AN EVENT.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S KIND OF WORKING IN WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

IF IT'S CREATING A WHOLE NEW EVENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE BUDGETARY ELEMENTS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT EXIST TODAY AS FAR AS THAT GOES, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST AND REQUIRES MANPOWER AND FUNDING.

I HAD HEARD DURING THE TASK FORCE THAT THERE WAS SOME OUTREACH FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR ASSISTANCE WITH CERTAIN THINGS, AND THAT THE TASK FORCE WAS HAVING A DIFFICULTY FORMING UP TO HELP AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS REALLY PART OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.

SO, IN THIS SCENARIO, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE AND GO AND DO DIRECT HANDS ON.

YES, YES, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY ARE THEY WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT SOME OF OUR PARKS THAT HAVE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AND PUTTING THAT HISTORY BEHIND THEM.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD START DAY ONE.

OKAY. THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO THAT.

CORRECT. SO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

MAKING THE AWARENESS OF THE PRESERVING THE HISTORY DEVELOPING.

THEY WOULD DEVELOP AND PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC EDUCATION PROGRAM.

SO, BY THAT I MEAN THAT IT'S NOT LIKE SOMEONE WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, CALL A SCHOOL AND LET'S TALK HISTORY.

YOU KNOW, THIS HAS TO BE FORMULATED.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE SET PROGRAMS THAT HAS BEEN VETTED THROUGH THE COMMISSION THAT THAT WAY YOU ENSURE ACCURACY WITH WHAT INFORMATION IS BEING PROVIDED AND THAT IT WAS COLLECTIVELY DECIDED, NOT ONE PERSON'S VIEW OF SOMETHING THAT MIGHT DIFFER FROM ANOTHER.

SO THAT'S ALWAYS SERVES IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A COLLECTIVE, COHESIVE EFFORT THERE.

SO, RESOURCE FOR THE GIBSON GRANT LOG HOUSE ASSISTING PROGRAMS, TOURS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD, AND THEN COORDINATE WITH TOWN DEPARTMENTS FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO SHOWCASE THE TOWN'S HISTORY, CURRENT AND FUTURE EVENTS.

THIS IS WHERE THINGS, LIKE AT THE LIBRARY, THEY COULD HAVE SOME PROGRAMING AT THE LIBRARY WHERE THEY HAVE SOME TALKS, FLOWER MOUND HISTORY TALKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT THEY COULD COORDINATE. I'M JUST MAKING THIS UP.

SO, JUST BASED ON DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD OVER TIME AND SOME EXAMPLES FROM OTHER CITIES.

SO, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR THEM TO WORK WITH STAFF TO HELP COME UP WITH.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK IN HERE.

SO, THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO BE THAT CAN BE DONE RELATIVE TO CAPTURING THE TOWN'S HISTORY AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL AS WELL AS CULTURAL ARTS ON SOME OF THE HISTORIC ICONS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

THE BISON THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST WHEN THEY GAVE THEIR REPORT, THAT'S WHERE THIS COMES INTO PLAY.

AND THEN WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH ORGANIZATIONS, INTEREST IN PRESERVING THE TOWN.

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SO, IT JUST COLLABORATION THERE WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND USE OF VOLUNTEERS.

SO, RECOGNIZING THERE MIGHT BE AT TIMES MORE WORK THAN THE COMMISSION COULD TAKE ON, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A FLOAT IN THE PARADE, THEY MIGHT WANT TO INCORPORATE SOME VOLUNTEERS TO HELP PUT THAT TOGETHER WHERE THEY COULD DO SO.

HOWEVER, WE WANT IT TO BE THROUGH THE TOWN'S VOLUNTEER APPLICATION.

THAT WAY, WE KNOW THAT PERSON HAS BEEN VETTED THROUGH THE TOWN BECAUSE WE DO BACKGROUND CHECKS ON PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING INTO TOWN, FACILITIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY THAT IS IN THERE FOR A PROTECTION ELEMENT.

AND THEN COLLABORATE WITH THE PARKS BOARD AND NAMING AND RENAMING PARKS AND TRAILS FROM HISTORIC FIGURES.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY MENTIONED IN THEIR REPORT, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PARKS BOARD CURRENTLY HAS.

THERE'S NO REASON THEY CAN'T COLLABORATE ON THAT.

IF THEY FIND SOME SIGNIFICANCE IN DOING SO.

AND THEN UTILIZING THE OFFICE OF HISTORY AND CULTURE AS A RESOURCE, WITHIN THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.

AND I DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING UP ON THAT, BUT I THINK IT WAS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

WHAT Y'ALL READ THERE.

AND THEN REPORTING, JUST LIKE OTHER BOARDS THEY REPORT, IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE COUNCIL CONSIDER FOR THEM TO DO, IT COMES FORWARD THROUGH THE STAFF LIAISON AND BROUGHT TO YOU ALL DURING YOUR ANNUAL STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION AS WELL AS WE STARTED LAST YEAR IN MAY, RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION, THAT ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS COME AND REPORT TO YOU ALL, AND THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO JUST KIND OF SHINE, IF YOU WILL, AND WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON AND THAT KIND OF THING.

SO THAT'S THE COMMUNICATION ELEMENT WITH COUNCIL AND THE HISTORIC COMMISSION.

IT NEEDS TO BE FUNNELED THROUGH THE STAFF LIAISON, BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE 100 BOARDS AND COMMISSION PEOPLE, AND I'D HATE FOR YOUR PHONES TO RING ON ALL THOSE PEOPLE.

AND IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR THINGS OR NOT GETTING CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO GO A DIFFERENT PATH THAN WHAT THEIR DOCUMENT SAYS THAT THEY CAN.

AND WHAT THE STAFF LIAISON AGAIN WILL BE DOING IS THE SCHEDULING AND POSTING OF MEETINGS IN COORDINATION WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, AND THEN RECORDING AND MAINTAIN THE MINUTES FOR THE COMMISSIONS.

AND THEN THE COMMUNICATION WILL BE WHERE WE MANAGE THE CORRESPONDENCE ADDRESSED TO THE COMMISSION, THAT THEY RECEIVE THE EMAIL, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER BOARDS DO.

AND THEN THE STAFF LIAISON LETS THE COMMISSION KNOW ABOUT THAT EMAIL OR RESPONDS DIRECTLY.

THIS IS AGAIN PUBLIC INFORMATION STUFF.

IT'S VERY RARE THAT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ACTUALLY RECEIVE EMAIL FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT TOPICS, BUT IT'S MAINLY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HEAR ABOUT TOPICS ON THE AGENDA AND SHARE THEIR FEEDBACK ON IT.

IT IS A ONE-WAY COMMUNICATION.

IF THEY TRY TO REPLY, IT JUST GOES BACK TO EVERYBODY.

SO, I MEAN I'M SORRY.

BACK TO THE STAFF LIAISON.

SO, COORDINATION WITH THE.

OFFICE OF HISTORY AND CULTURE AND OTHER RESOURCES TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES THAT I TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ORAL HISTORY AND THEN SERVE AS LIAISON BETWEEN THE COMMISSION, TOWN STAFF BOARDS, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS FOR EDUCATION AND COLLABORATION OPPORTUNITIES.

AND I KNOW THAT'S A MOUTHFUL, BUT THERE'S A LOT IN THAT ONE SENTENCE AND THEN HELP IN CREATING AND UPDATING CONTENT ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE REGARDING IMPORTANT HISTORICAL INFORMATION.

AND THEN THEY WOULD ASSIST WITH THE MEETING ROOM RESERVATIONS, SETTING UP FACILITIES FOR THE REGULAR AND SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS IF THEY AS NEEDED, AND THEN FOR EVENTS, GOES BACK WHERE YOU WERE SAYING TO SEEK AND PRESENT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR COMMISSION MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE IF IT'S ALIGNED WITH THEIR COMMISSION'S PURPOSE, VERY GENERIC, JUST TO ALLOW THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT IT ALL NEEDS TO BE WORKED THROUGH.

THE STAFF LEVEL.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE COMMUNICATE WITH YOU ALL IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE THAT, NEEDS TO CHANGE, THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THOUGHT OF IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL INVOLVED.

SO. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WELL THANK YOU. THERESA COUNCIL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR, ANY FOR MR. LEE, I DO SO IN THE PACKET THERE WAS AN ITEM AND MAYBE I MISSED IT IN HERE THAT THAT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, IF WE ESTABLISH IT HAS NO FINANCIAL, THEY CAN'T COMMIT THE TOWN TO ANYTHING FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE AND OR CONTRACTUAL. CORRECT? CORRECT. THE ONLY COST WOULD BE FOR THE RECORDING OF THE MEETINGS THAT I TALKED ABOUT.

OKAY, THAT'S $60 A MEETING.

THERESA. IF WE MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT AND ESTABLISH THE COMMISSION, HOW SOON THEREAFTER WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GET THE OPEN MEETING ACT TRAINING DONE FOR THEM? SO THERE'S TWO THINGS.

YOU ALL HAVE AN IN-HOUSE BOARD AND COMMISSION TRAINING THAT IS REQUIRED.

THAT HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN 90 DAYS.

WE COULD ACTUALLY ELEVATE THAT IF THERE IS INTEREST IN DOING SO.

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WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT ON RECORDING BECAUSE IT WAS A REQUIREMENT.

WE MADE IT AVAILABLE VIA VIDEO SO THEY COULD JUST WATCH THE VIDEO AND THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS AND PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT.

TRAINING IS ALSO A 90 DAY ELEMENT AS WELL.

SO BUT WE COULD PROVIDE THEM BOTH OF THOSE AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO TAKE THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

IF WE DO GO THAT ROUTE, I WOULD HIGHLY, HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THAT BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SEVERAL THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN DOING THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO ANY LONGER. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S REALLY CLEAR ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

AND BRYN, IF IT WERE A GROUP OF TEN, WOULD THE QUORUM BE SIX? I BELIEVE THE QUORUM IS FIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER AS THE 10TH MEMBER, SO IT WOULD BE OUT OF NINE VOTING MEMBERS, IT WOULD BE FIVE.

SO THAT MEANS THAT FIVE OR MORE OF YOU CANNOT GATHER IN ONE PLACE AND DISCUSS ANY RELEVANT BUSINESS AT ALL, ANYTHING.

AND IT MEANS THAT YOU CANNOT HIT REPLY ALL ON EMAILS.

SO, THERE ARE SOME CONSTRAINTS YOU'D HAVE TO GET USED TO IN MY OPINION.

STILL, I THINK IT WOULD IMPEDE YOUR PROGRESS AND THE WAY I'VE SEEN YOU ALL SO ENGAGED AND SO EAGER TO GET SO MANY THINGS DONE.

I REALLY LIKE THE PRESENTATION AND THE CHARGE AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT WITH THE ENTHUSIASM COUPLED WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HARD TO REALLY MAINTAIN THE OPEN MEETING ACT RULES AND REGULATIONS.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

YOU'RE OKAY WITH US TAKING THAT OUT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I WOULD BE IT'S AN ADVISORY ONLY BOARD OR COMMISSION.

THEY HAVE NO LEGISLATIVE POWER WHATSOEVER.

THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE POWER TO DO ANYTHING ON THEIR OWN.

AS FAR AS I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO DECIDE.

WELL, THE LAST TIME WE DID THAT, THAT WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

WELL, WELL, IT I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO STAY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS, AND IT'S NOT ONLY JUST MEETING TOGETHER IN A GROUP OF FIVE, IT'S ALSO LIKE A DAISY CHAIN COMMUNICATION AS WELL.

YOU CAN'T SAY, OH, SO-AND-SO SAID AND THIS AND THAT AND THAT, AND YOU COULD TECHNICALLY TALK TO FOUR OTHER PEOPLE, BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP TRACK THREE.

NO, FIVE IS THEIR QUORUM.

NO. FIVE IS THE QUORUM, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT LESS, LESS QUORUM.

WELL, IF IT'S A ONE PERSON, IT WOULD HAVE TO.

OH, SO THREE OR FEWER PLUS THAT ONE OKAY.

SO, THREE. SO THAT EVEN NARROWS IT DOWN FURTHER.

CALLED A SPECIAL MEETING. THIS IS ONE.

THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE IN PUBLIC.

AND IT HAS TO BE NOTED I, I THOUGHT THAT THE, THE 501(C)(3) MIGHT BE A.

A GOOD ALTERNATIVE, BUT I WAS OVERRULED.

WELL, NOW THEY COULDN'T EVEN HAVE THE 501(C)(3).

IF ALL OF THEM WANTED TO JOIN IT, COULD THEY AND DISCUSS SIMILAR THINGS THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED, WOULD IT? BRYN BECAUSE IF THEY HAD THEIR OWN 501(C)(3) SEPARATE FROM ANY TOWN ACTIVITIES, BUT THEY ALL WERE MEMBERS AND THEY ALL DISCUSSED THINGS THAT WERE RELEVANT TO THEIR WORK AS A BOARD OR COMMISSION. THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED EITHER, WOULD IT? RIGHT. SO, IT WOULD NEED TO BE IN THE ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE 501(C)(3).

AND I THINK THAT'S PERHAPS WHAT'S BEING SUGGESTED OR JUST NOT HAVE MEMBERS OF, OF OUR COMMISSION ON THAT 501(C)(3).

BUT THEN THEY WOULDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT MAYBE MR. L COULD COME UP AND MAYBE SHARE SOME THOUGHTS ON THIS.

WOULD THAT BE OKAY? SURE.

I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, JACKIE, BUT I REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO EXPLORE THIS TOPIC.

MAY I INVITE MY SECRETARY, KATHY BLAIR? SURE. BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY, REALLY HAVE LOOKED AT AND TALKED ABOUT.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN, KATHY.

I KNOW THAT 501 C THREES HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

IT WAS SOMETHING WE NIXED BECAUSE WE FOUND THAT WE WANTED THE TOWN COMPONENT.

WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN AVERSION TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

IT WOULD BE NICE NOT TO HAVE TO DO IT, BUT IF IT IMPEDES THE WAY, WE HAVE TO.

THE WAY WE WOULD RUN OR THE WAY OUR CURTAIL OUR RESPONSIBILITIES, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO OPT OUT OF IT.

EXACTLY. AND AS FAR AS THE 501(C)(3), NONE OF US WANT TO DO THAT.

WE'RE TEACHABLE.

WE REALLY ARE TEACHABLE. REALLY, MY CONCERN WAS JUST ABOUT THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

YEAH, BUT LIKE I SAID, THAT WOULD IMPEDE YOUR COMMUNICATIONS BECAUSE ACTUALLY IT'S SUPPOSED TO IMPEDE COMMUNICATIONS.

YES, IT IS. I'M WELL AWARE OF THAT.

AND WE REALLY TRIED TO DO THAT GOING FORWARD.

WELL, AS A, AS A TASK FORCE, IT WAS HARD.

AND WE KNOW IT WILL GET HARDER BECAUSE, NOBODY WANTS TO BE FINED.

AND THAT'S JUST A SMALL PART OF IT.

RIGHT. WE'RE QUITE AWARE OF THE AND WE'RE AWARE, WE'VE BEEN OVER THE RULES.

WE'RE, WE'RE ECSTATIC TO GO THROUGH YOUR SCHOOL TO LEARN ALL OF THAT.

I MEAN, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SHE SAID, WE'RE TEACHABLE AND WE'RE AMBITIOUS, BUT WE'RE VERY CAUTIOUS AS WELL.

OKAY? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO IMPEDE IN WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO.

AND WE'VE SO DESPERATELY TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS THOROUGH.

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LIKE I TOLD JAMES, YOU KNOW, I'VE REALLY TRIED TO BE THOROUGH ON EVERY ASPECT OF IT BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T WANT TO BE PINNED INTO THE 501 EVER, AND WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AS A, YOU KNOW, FULL COMMISSION.

SO, SO HEARING THAT YOU ARE GOING IN WITH YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN AND YOU ARE AWARE AND FEEL IT'S MANAGEABLE, THEN I CAN GO ALONG WITH IT.

AS LONG AS YOU ALL, ITS MANAGEABLE.

IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH AT FIRST.

I MEAN, IT WAS WHEN YOU STARTED.

BUT WE KNOW THE RULES, OKAY? AND WE THANK YOU RULES.

WE TALK ABOUT THE RULES ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS.

I MEAN, AND WE KNEW IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE TOUGH ON US AS WE'RE NEIGHBORS.

WE'RE FRIENDS. IT MAKES IT REALLY TOUGH.

BUT WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, WE PUT THIS TOGETHER AND.

YEAH, THERE'S JUST NEVER BEEN ANY DISCREPANCY AT ALL.

SO WE ARE READY TO GO FOR WHATEVER INSTRUMENT YOU HAVE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING MY CONCERN.

YES. OKAY, SO IN ALL THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION MEETINGS WILL BE RECORDED, RIGHT? YES. IT WAS ALL TOGETHER FLOWER MOUND RECORDED.

NO. YEAH. THAT WAS ANOTHER CONCERN WITH WITH THAT.

YEP. YEAH. AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERN THAT THIS COMMISSION COULD BE USED AS EITHER TO INTERFERE WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY OR INTERFERE WITH DEVELOPMENT. AND SO IF EVERYTHING'S OUT IN THE OPEN AND RECORDED AND THEN IT'S ALL THERE FOR ANYONE TO GO AND SEE, AND I THINK THAT IS SOME BENEFIT TO THAT.

SO AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO IMPEDE GETTING TOGETHER AND DOING SOME OF THE, THE, THE PROJECTS YOU WANT TO DO.

BUT WITH THE ABILITY TO FORM SUBCOMMITTEES, YOU'LL EVEN A REQUIREMENT TO ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES AND PARTICIPATE.

THEN I THINK YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO DO.

HONESTLY. ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE'RE READY. I MEAN, WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THIS BULL BY THE HORN.

I THINK NONE OF IT HAS BEEN A SURPRISE TO US.

I TAKE THAT BACK. THERE WAS ONE THING THAT WAS A SURPRISE THAT WE HADN'T SEEN BEFORE.

WAS THE NUMBER, WHAT, EIGHT AND NINE EXTRA MEMBERS THAT THEY BE TARRANT COUNTY OR DENTON COUNTY, MEMBERS AND NOT FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS. THAT WAS SURPRISING, AND I BELIEVE YOU CHANGED THAT.

WHEN YOU FORM THE TASK FORCE, YOU DIDN'T FIND IT? APPLICABLE TO US, AND NOW YOU PUT IT BACK IN.

SO THAT'S A SURPRISE TO ME.

I THINK THAT'S JUST IF THERE'S OTHER MEMBERS THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE THE GROUP THAT LIVE WITHIN DENTON, OR THEY DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN DENTON OR TARRANT COUNTY OR SORRY, THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN DENTON OR TARRANT COUNTY.

THEY DON'T ALSO FLOWER MOUND MEMBERS THAT'S WHAT.

YEAH, THEY COULD ALSO JUST BE REGULAR FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS.

THEY COULD BE, BUT THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE.

YEAH, CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT YOU THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU PUT ON THERE.

AND YOU LEFT THAT OUT WHEN YOU FORMED US FOR A REASON.

BUT WAS THAT ALSO TO LEND YOU THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE PEOPLE OF TERRIFIC EXPERTISE THAT MAY NOT ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY LIVE HERE RIGHT NOW? IS THAT WAS THAT THE ALWAYS BRING IN PEOPLE LIKE YOU DO FOR INFORMATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO HOW I'M SORRY I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT SO SO WHO ORIGINATED THAT CHANGE BACK IN AND WHY WAS THAT A STAFF ORIGINATED CHANGE.

BECAUSE. OR WAS THAT FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER CONCERN OR WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? I DON'T KNOW, SIR. IT GOES.

SORRY, I WAS ASKING THERESA.

OH, IT GOES FROM I BELIEVE Y'ALL ASKED FOR NINE MEMBERS FOR THE COMMISSION WITH SEVEN REGULAR AND TWO ALTERNATES.

SO THIS WAS A WAY TO GET THE NINE MEMBERS AND JUST AN ELEMENT OF FLEXIBILITY THAT NOT KNOWING WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW YET.

AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU ALL COULDN'T HAVE THE STANCE THAT THESE WILL BE FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS.

OR YOU CAN TAKE IT OUT. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO GIVE YOU AN ADDED LAYER FOR IF THERE IS A NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT IS IN THE COUNTY, NOT THE EX OFFICIAL MEMBER, SOMEONE THAT'S IN THE COUNTY THAT HAS THAT EXPERTISE THAT MAYBE LIVED IN FLOWER MOUND 20 YEARS AGO, BUT THEY MOVED TO LANTANA OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THAT OPTION TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE IF THEY ADD VALUE TO THE COMMISSION.

HONESTLY, I THINK IT JUST PROVIDES.

I KNOW YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTACHE OVER IT, BUT I THINK IT JUST PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.

WHEREAS IF WE FOUND TWO MORE THAN IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CANNOT LIVE IN FLOWER MOUND.

SO. I'M OKAY WITH REMOVING IT.

REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT OR THE NUMBER.

THE. WELL, JUST SAYING ALL NINE HAVE TO BE FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS.

YES. BUT IT DOES GIVE YOU FLEXIBILITY IF YOU DO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT MOVED AWAY, BUT THEY LIVED THEIR ENTIRE LIFE HERE AND ARE INTERESTED IN IT AS A AS A RESOURCE, I THINK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT HURTS NECESSARILY IS.

YEAH. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T BE.

IT JUST MEANS THAT I MEAN, IF WE HAVE WE HAVE THE NINE, YOU KNOW, ALL TEN READY TO GO THEN.

GOOD. BUT IF SOMEONE LEAVES AND THEN WE LATER IDENTIFY SOMEBODY THAT HAS HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE WHO SO SO AGAIN I JUST THINK IT PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY.

BUT IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS THIS THIS COULD GO BACK A LITTLE BIT TO THE VETERANS LIAISON BOARD.

RIGHT. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHERE WE MADE IT SO THAT ONE MEMBER DIDN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, A VETERAN TO SERVE ON IT.

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OH, I REMEMBER THAT. YES I KNOW YOU DO.

WELL IT'S TOUCHY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TOUCHY.

IT REALLY IS TOUCHY. AND WE HAVE TO REALLY BE CLEAR HERE.

BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO TURN DOWN A RESOURCE THAT MIGHT BE GREAT FOR YOUR BOARD EITHER.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXACTLY.

SO, LADIES, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THEY THEY CAN'T BE A FLOWER MOUND RESIDENT.

RIGHT. SO PLACES EIGHT AND NINE CAN BE A FLOWER MOUND RESIDENT.

IT'S THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING.

IT'S JUST FLEXIBILITY.

IT'S Y'ALL'S DECISION.

YOU HAVE. I'M OKAY WITH JUST THREE VOTES TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCES.

IS THREE VOTES TO CHANGE IT DOWN THE ROAD? YES. SAME. SO WE CAN CHANGE IT.

IT'S ON THE AGENDA EVERY MONTH.

SO. WE'LL GET TO ANYTHING ELSE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE MEMBERS? THANK YOU LADIES.

THANK YOU. I HAD ONE MORE.

SORRY, MR. DREW.

WAS THERESA NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS? YOU GUYS. THANK YOU.

LADIES. I HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT INDIAN MARKER TREES AND AND, THERE WAS SOME VERBIAGE ABOUT ADDING VERY DETAILED VERBIAGE WITHIN THE INITIAL DRAFTS OF THE MEMORANDUM. WOULD WOULD THERE BE ANY, ANY RESTRICTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, FROM FORMING A SUBCOMMITTEE TO RECOMMEND PRESERVATION AND IDENTIFICATION METHODS FOR INDIAN MARKER TREES WITHIN OUR TOWN? THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE OVERALL SCOPE FOR DEVELOPING LIKE WHAT SUBMITTED SUBCOMMITTEES WILL WORK ON.

SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE DECIDES THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO FOCUS ON, AND THEY LOOK INTO IT.

AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING, A SLIPPERY SLOPE WHERE THERE ARE SOME LEGAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE, I'S DOTTED T'S CROSSED FOR DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM AN IDENTIFICATION AND LOCATION.

SO YEAH, THAT THAT WOULD BE FLESHED OUT AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL, EVEN IF IT'S LITERATURE TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC OR EVEN RECOMMENDATIONS TO TOWN COUNCIL TO ADJUST AND ADD IT TO, OUR TREE ORDINANCES TO IDENTIFY INDIAN MARKER TREES.

RIGHT. AND IT COULD BE DEVELOPED IN THEIR POLICY.

THERE'S MORE DOCUMENTS COMING THAN JUST THIS THAT I SEE.

BASICALLY CALL IT AN ADDENDUM, IF YOU WILL, OF THE POLICY THAT WILL GO WITH THIS.

AND THEN IT'LL BRING IN ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WILL CARVE OUT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OVERALL THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH AND THEN WE'LL GET LEGAL INVOLVED.

AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WANT TO DO.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, PERMISSION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER IF IT IS ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE COULD BE ADDRESSED.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL PRINT IN THERE THAT I'M SEEING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.

YEAH. AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN RESTRICTING ANYTHING FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I'M JUST INFORMATION FOR EITHER TOWN COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC TO USE.

RIGHT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD DO.

IT'S IT'S PRETTY WIDE OPEN, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

THAT'S PART OF THE EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A TANGIBLE ARTIFACT OR ITEM, IT'S I SEE IT AS INFORMATION AND HOW THAT GETS COMMUNICATED AND PULLED INTO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL FOR DELIBERATION.

DISCUSSION. SO I SUPPORT THIS.

I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD TAKE THE SEVEN MEMBERS WHO ARE ON THE TASK FORCE AND APPOINT THEM TO THE THE COMMISSION.

DO WE HAVE AN EX OFFICIO VOLUNTEERING? PERHAPS. HANG ON.

OKAY. I SEE SOMEBODY BEING VOLUNTEERED OUT HERE IN THE CROWD, SO I THINK WE GOT THAT.

LET ME HELP. YOU DID SPEAK WITH MISS RIDEAU, AND SHE INDICATED SHE'S ACCEPTABLE TO SERVING IN THAT EX OFFICIO ROLE.

I HAVE A, SOMEONE I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE TO THE COUNCIL FOR SEAT EIGHT.

THAT IS, MRS. CECILIA HOOD, WHO'S BEEN AN HONORARY TASK FORCE MEMBER, BUT BRIEFLY LIVED IN HIGHLAND VILLAGE AND WASN'T ABLE TO BE ON THE TASK FORCE.

THAT'S RESOLVED ITSELF.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT APPOINTING SOMEONE FROM OUT OF TOWN.

I THINK SHE'S HERE AS WELL.

I DON'T HAVE A NINTH MEMBER, SO IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE THAT.

AND DO ALL THE CURRENT EXISTING SEVEN MEMBERS MEET THAT FIVE YEAR REQUIREMENT? YES. SO.

SO DO WE NEED TO DECIDE NOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO FILL THAT? OR CAN WE GO AHEAD AND JUST LEAVE IT VACANT AND THEN FILL THAT AT A LATER DATE? IT'S AN EITHER OR.

IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE POINTEES, OR IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME DIRECTION TO DO A CALL FOR APPLICANTS, FOR FILLING OUT THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL SEATS.

IF THERE'S INTEREST IN KEEPING THE CURRENT TASK FORCE MEMBERS, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

AND THAT WAY YOU ALL GET A POOL.

AND, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS, THE LADY'S NAME THAT WAS MENTIONED THIS EVENING COULD BE ONE OF THOSE APPLICATIONS AS WELL, JUST BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IF WE'RE REQUIRING A VOTER REGISTRATION, MY OFFICE TYPICALLY CROSS CHECKS THAT BEFORE IT COMES FORWARD TO YOU ALSO, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE THERE.

BUT WE CAN DO THE CALL FOR APPLICATIONS AND THEN BRING THAT FORWARD AT A FUTURE MEETING FOR MOTIONS TO BE MADE, SINCE THEY CAN'T REALLY, GO FORWARD UNTIL 30 DAYS AFTER THIS RESOLUTION IS PASSED.

YOU HAVE THAT TIME.

WELL, I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO DO THAT FOR THE ONE OPEN POSITION, BUT I THINK WITH MISS HOOD VOLUNTEERING ALREADY, I WOULD CONSIDER I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD

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WITH FILLING THAT OPEN ONE TONIGHT SO WE CAN GET A DOUBLE WHAMMY.

I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S FINE.

AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY.

SORRY TO REMIND EVERYONE.

I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OUR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES QUITE A BIT.

NUMBER TWO, INCREASE OPEN SPACE, PARKLAND AND RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

2.2 PLAN AND PRESENT OPTIONS FOR A SIGNATURE TOWN FESTIVAL.

SO EVER SINCE I READ THAT, I'VE ALREADY BEEN THINKING ABOUT OUR FLOWER MOUND PIONEER DAYS FESTIVAL THAT MIGHT BE IN THE FALL.

JUST WHILE I HAD EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM IS ESPECIALLY MR. JENNINGS AS WELL.

SO YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR ME SAY PIONEER DAYS FESTIVAL QUITE A BIT MORE TIMES.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? THERESA THE LANGUAGE ON THE PART YOU HAD HIGHLIGHTED.

INCLUDING ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT IN PROJECTS OR SUBCOMMITTEES.

IT WAS ON SLIDE THREE.

OKAY, I YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED.

SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE, AS PRESENTED IN THE AGENDA CAPTION WITH THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT.

IN PROJECTS OR SUBCOMMITTEES.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

AND THEN, AND THEN TO A POINT, TO APPOINT THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS, YADDA YADDA.

AND THEN WE CAN LIST OFF THE NINE NAMES THAT WE HAVE SO FAR.

CORRECT. I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS MOTION.

I MIGHT GO BACK AND FORTH A COUPLE OF TIMES.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED IN THE AGENDA CAPTION, AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT IN THE PRESENTATION, AND APPOINT THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS, EFFECTIVE 30 DAYS FOLLOWING THE PASSAGE OF THIS RESOLUTION AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024 FOR EVEN NUMBERED PLACES, AND SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025 FOR ODD NUMBERED PLACES.

PLACE ONE JACKIE NORELLE.

PLACE TWO MARK GLOVER.

PLACE THREE ADAM SHEARER.

PLACE FOUR MARCIA GAVITT.

PLACE FIVE CINDY CLARK.

PLACE SIX KATHY BLAIR.

PLACE SEVEN TARA CLARK.

PLACE EIGHT CECILIA HOOD.

PLACE TEN PEGGY RIDDLE.

SECOND ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION.

THERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL. AYE.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER DREW.

AYE. AND COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR.

AYE. ITEM K ONE HISTORICAL COMMISSION CREATED.

PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

CONGRATULATIONS. WE JUST MADE HISTORY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO MOVING ON. WE'LL BE OPENING ITEM TWO PIT IMPLEMENTATION RESOLUTION AND ITEM THREE CALLING THE ELECTION FOR THE PIT AT THE SAME TIME.

[Items K2 & K3]

LEADING US OFF TONIGHT IS A STAFF PRESENTATION BY MR. JAMES CHILDERS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

MORE SO THAN THE PRESENTATION, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE A RECAP OF HOW WE REACHED THIS POINT IN THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION.

SO ITEM K TWO IS THE PIT IMPLEMENTATION RESOLUTION.

AND WE'RE DOING THIS AS A BYPRODUCT OF A UNIQUE COMPONENT OF OUR CHARTER THAT NECESSITATES A ELECTION PRIOR TO FORMALLY CREATING A PIT UNDER CHAPTER 372 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

SO HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT IS, IS THAT ON OCTOBER 16TH, MR. JACK, FIRST, THE PROPERTY OWNER, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT CAME AND FORMALLY, REQUESTED THAT THE TOWN LOOK INTO POTENTIALLY SETTING UP A PIT AT THE FIRST RANCH DEVELOPMENT, ON NOVEMBER THE 16TH, OUR CONSULTANT, MARY PETTY WITH P3 WORKS CAME IN AND DID A BROAD, EDUCATIONAL OVERVIEW OF A PIT AND ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF IT.

ON DECEMBER THE 18TH, MARY CAME BACK AND DID ANOTHER PRESENTATION.

BUT THIS IS MORE SPECIFIC TO THE PIT APPLICATION, FROM THE APPLICANT.

AND ALSO, A PART OF MR. FIRST TEAM'S THE PRESENTATION OF THE, THE NEED FOR A PIT AND WHAT, THE PUBLIC CAN ANTICIPATE FROM BENEFITING FROM A BID.

AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'VE REACHED ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU HERE THIS EVENING.

AND ITEM K THREE IS THE ACTUAL SETTING OF THE ELECTION, POTENTIALLY THIS MAY.

SO THERE IS NOT A FORMAL PRESENTATION.

I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MARY PETTY WITH P3 WORKS, OUR CONSULTANT, IS HERE TODAY.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HER SPECIFICS TO THE MECHANICS OF THE PIT.

MR.. FIRST IS HERE TODAY.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS UP HERE, OF HIM, EXCUSE ME.

AND, THAT'S JUST CATCHING EVERYBODY UP.

HAVE NOT BEEN INITIATED IN THE SITUATION, MAYOR.

SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AND THE TOWN COUNCIL OF HOW YOU LIKE TO PROCEED.

COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR DISCUSSION BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS 705, AND I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM TWO AND THREE CONCURRENTLY.

THERESA DO WE HAVE ANY GREEN COMMENT CARDS FOR ITEMS 2 OR 3?

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STARTING US OFF TONIGHT WILL BE MR. TIM WHISNANT.

SAME THING APPLIES TO PUBLIC COMMENT, SIR.

NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. TIM WHISNANT, 2300 OLYMPIA DRIVE.

IT IS IRONIC THAT THIS IS.

THIS PIT IS COMING UP.

RECENTLY THERE WAS, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RIVERWALK, AND PEOPLE WERE SURPRISED BY THE HOA FEES.

RESIDENTS MAY NOT REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU RIDE THROUGH THE RIVERWALK, THOSE, FOUNTAINS AND THE THE ARTWORK AND THE PARKING GARAGE THEORETICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN PAID FOR BY PED.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OR NOT, BUT THEORETICALLY, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT A PID CAN PAY FOR.

AND A ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT A PID IS A FUTURE.

IS A TAX INCREASE ON FUTURE RESIDENTS TO PAY FOR, CURRENT ITEMS. AND AND IT'S A TAX INCREASE THAT OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THIS PID DON'T PAY.

SO, THE, THE OH, I'M SPEAKING AS A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL TOO, I SHOULD SAY.

BUT, SO THE PIT IS A MECHANISM TO RAISE MONEY AND, AND THE, YOU KNOW, JACK FIRST IS WANTING TO BUILD THIS NICE, DEVELOPMENT.

HE'S A FIRST CLASS NEGOTIATOR.

IN THE PAST, THEY USED THE, VESTED RIGHTS AND AND LITIGATION, POSSIBILITY TO, NEGOTIATE AS NEGOTIATION LEVERS.

IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE IS NO VESTED RIGHTS TO A PID.

IT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THAT PROCESS.

AND, AND, THE, LET ME SEE.

SO SIMPLY APPEARED INCREASES THE BOTTOM LINE FOR DEVELOPERS.

AND. BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE BEING RAISED WITH THE RIVERWALK, I THINK YOU SHOULD REALLY LOOK HARD AT USING THIS MECHANISM.

THEY ARE SUBJECT TO ABUSE AND I STAND OPPOSED TO USING THE PID IN THIS INSTANCE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

NEXT WILL BE MR. JACK FIRST. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

JACK FIRST, 2800 LAKESIDE PARKWAY, UNIT 1001 FLOWER MOUND TEXAS 75022.

MY COMMENTS WILL BE BRIEF.

COUNSEL. FIRST RANCH IS SIMPLY ASKING COUNCIL AND THE VOTERS TO LET US ASSESS OURSELVES TO PAY FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

LET US CHARGE OUR PEOPLE TO PAY FOR THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SERVES THEM.

IF COUNCIL ALLOWS THE VOTERS TO VOTE IN MAY 1ST RANCH.

WILL COORDINATE AN ACTIVE OUTREACH AND EDUCATIONAL EFFORTS TO WIN THE VOTE.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT TOWN'S PROFESSIONAL TEAM WILL ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, BUT WILL NOT ADVOCATE FOR OR AGAINST THE PID AS A PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING TOOL.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT TO GO TO THE VOTERS SO THAT WE MAKE FIRST RANCH THE BEST IT CAN BE.

WELL, AMENITIZED FOR EVERYBODY IN THE TOWN TO ENJOY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

THERESA DO WE HAVE ANY MORE GREEN COMMENT CARDS? DO NOT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? FOR ITEMS 2 OR 3, PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

YES, MA'AM. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

MAKE SURE YOU FILL OUT A GREEN COMMENT CARD MARKED FOR EITHER ITEM 2 OR 3.

PUBLIC HEARING.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL ALSO HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS LAURIE WALKER.

I RESIDE AT 4913 KINGSWOOD DRIVE IN FLOWER MOUND.

I ALSO SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE FLOWER MOUND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

WE ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT COMING TO FLOWER MOUND.

AND I KNOW YOU'RE DECIDING TONIGHT JUST TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER IT'S GOING TO GO BEFORE THE VOTERS, AND WE'RE EXCITED FOR YOU TO DO THAT TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM.

ONCE AGAIN, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND, SIR.

OKAY, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM IF ANYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO DECIDE TO SPEAK.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE GET A GREEN COMMENT CARD.

NOW, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

SIR, PLEASE REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL ALSO HAVE THREE MINUTES.

SCOTT LANGLEY.

OH, IT'S A HOT MIC.

SCOTT LANGLEY, 800 CARTER COURT.

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I JUST WANT TO REMIND A COUPLE OF YOU THAT YOU THOUGHT THAT THE TOURS WAS WAY TOO COMPLICATED FOR THE VOTERS TO HAVE A VOICE ON, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU THINK THAT THE PID IS GOING TO BE ANY LESS COMPLICATED FOR THE VOTERS TO HAVE A VOICE ON, SO.

GO AHEAD. DO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, AND I'LL GET YOUR CAR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE ITEMS? 2 OR 3 PUBLIC HEARING? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

SEEING AND HEARING NONE.

THE TIME IS 710 AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

SORRY. DID I INTERRUPT YOU? NO. GO AHEAD.

MR. FIRST. HANG ON A SECOND.

SO THE APPLICANT'S NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA? BUT HE IS THE APPLICANT, AND, WE'LL ALLOW IT.

GO AHEAD. SO LAST TIME YOU CAME UP HERE, WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE LANGUAGE FROM YOUR ATTORNEY AND THE APPLICATION LETTER SAYING, THE PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT IS TO FINANCE A PORTION OF THE COSTS OF THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO BRING FULL MUNICIPAL SERVICES THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, CONSISTENT WITH THE PROJECT'S VESTED RIGHTS AND ZONING, PROVIDING THE, YOU KNOW, THE MESSAGE THAT, IN HER OPINION, THIS PID AND OUR REQUIREMENTS TO PROVIDE MUNICIPAL SERVICES LEAVE US OPEN TO LITIGATION IF WE WERE TO NOT MOVE THIS FORWARD.

AND I ASKED YOU AT THAT TIME IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO SIGN A WAIVER SAYING THAT I WOULD YOU WOULD FOREGO LITIGATION ON THIS IN THIS MATTER IF WE WERE TO SEND THIS PID TO THE VOTERS. I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME, YOU SAID THAT YOU NEEDED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOUR ATTORNEY BEFORE YOU COULD ANSWER THAT.

SO WHAT DID YOU DECIDE? MR.. AND BRENDA HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT.

SO, AT THIS JUNCTURE, I'M HERE IN A COLLABORATIVE MOTION.

I HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTE OF THE VOTERS TO SEE WHETHER WE CAN BASICALLY BRING THE AMENITIES THAT WE PROMISED, AND ALLOW ME THE CHANCE TO MAKE MY CASE IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS. SO GIVEN A CHOICE BETWEEN SENDING THIS TO THE VOTERS OR PRESERVING YOUR RIGHT TO LITIGATE, YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO PRESERVE YOUR RIGHT TO LITIGATE THIS MATTER.

THAT'S NOT HOW I LOOK AT IT.

THAT'S YOUR WORDS, NOT MINE.

I'M HERE TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO BASICALLY BUILD SOMETHING SPECTACULAR, AND I'M ASKING FOR A VOTE TO DO THAT.

PERIOD. END OF SENTENCE.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.

I'LL ASK THE FOLLOW UP.

SO MISTY AND BRYNN DISCUSSED IT.

BRYNN, ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE WITH US? THAT CONVERSATION OR THE OUTCOME OF THAT? CERTAINLY. AND I DON'T WANT TO MISCHARACTERIZE IT.

BUT WE HAD A DETAILED CONVERSATION.

AND, MISTY'S RESPONSE TO THE REQUEST FOR A WAIVER WAS ESSENTIALLY THAT SHE COULD NOT, IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, RECOMMEND TO HER CLIENT TO WAIVE RIGHTS THAT SHE BELIEVES HER CLIENT, CURRENTLY POSSESSES.

AND SO WE WE TRY TO DEVELOP A FRAMEWORK WHERE THERE WERE BENCHMARKS SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE RULES OF THE GAME WERE.

BUT CANDIDLY, IF THE ELECTION WERE CALLED AND THE VOTERS DECLINED TO CREATE THE PID, HER EXPECTATION AND I DON'T WANT TO MISREPRESENT MISTER FIRST, BUT THEIR EXPECTATION WOULD WAS THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN A COLLABORATIVE MANNER, BUT THAT THE EXPECTATION WAS WE WOULD FIND SOME OTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE, TO REPLACE THE FUNDS THAT WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO BE GENERATED THROUGH THE PID.

ARE YOU OR MARY ABLE TO GIVE US EXAMPLES OF WHAT THOSE OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS MIGHT BE? NOT THAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD, BUT WHAT COULD QUALIFY AS THAT? SO ONE OF THE EXAMPLES SHE MENTIONED IN MY DISCUSSION WAS INCREASING THE INCREMENT FOR THE TERS FROM 50% TO SOMETHING GREATER.

THAT WOULD BE A REQUEST PERHAPS.

CORRECT. THAT WAS JUST ONE EXAMPLE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER MECHANISMS THAT WE DISCUSSED THE REIMBURSEMENT OF IMPACT FEES, WHICH WE ACKNOWLEDGED WE COULD DO. BUT THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE STANDING ALONE WOULDN'T BE SUFFICIENT THAT THE THE PID WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE A CONSIDERABLE FUNDING SOURCE. AND IF THAT WEREN'T AVAILABLE, WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK FOR MORE EXAMPLES OF HOW TO ASSIST, ONE OF WHICH WOULD BE TO, ALLOW THE COUNTY TO CREATE THE PID.

AND THE COUNTY COULD CREATE THE PID, SO LONG AS THE TOWN DID NOT OBJECT TO THE CREATION OF THE PID WITHIN THE TERRITORIAL LIMITS OF THE TOWN.

AND SO I WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL I DID, AND THE FEEDBACK I RECEIVED, WHICH I PASSED ALONG TO MISTY, WAS IF THE VOTE FAILED, WE WOULDN'T BE INCLINED TO THEN TELL THE VOTERS WHO, VOTED AGAINST CREATION OF THE PID THAT WE WERE GOING TO CIRCUMVENT THEIR WILL AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE COUNTY.

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IS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT THE THE BODY THAT WOULD APPROVE THAT OR WOULD THE.

OKAY. SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT TO A VOTE.

THAT'S CORRECT. THEY COULD OVERRULE OUR VOTERS EXPRESSED WISHES IF THEY ARE VOTERS WERE TO DECLINE THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE DID NOT OBJECT.

AND THAT'S CANDIDLY, EVEN EVERY CITY OTHER THAN FLOWER MOUND, THIS IS A UNIQUE FLOWER MOUND CHARTER PROVISION THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN ELSEWHERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S QUITE A PRECARIOUS POSITION TO PUT US IN.

I'M NOT EXCITED ABOUT IT AT ALL.

I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ASIDE ON THE RIVERWALK PIT.

MAYBE, TOMMY, YOU KNOW WHERE THE RIVERWALK PIT FUNDS USED TO PAY FOR ANY OF THOSE EXTRA THINGS LIKE THE FOUNTAINS AND THE SCULPTURES.

IT WAS USED TO FUND THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD BE USED FOR AS WELL.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE THINKING THAT IF THIS MONEY IS PROCURED THROUGH THE PID AND IT FUNDS THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN THE DEVELOPERS MONEY COULD BE USED FOR OTHER ENHANCED FEATURES OF THE PROPERTY.

IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

THE UNDERSTANDING. AND SO I THINK WE DISCUSSED THE ABILITY TO CRAFT THE PID LANGUAGE SUCH THAT THERE WOULD BE SPECIFIC MEASURABLE.

GOAL POSTS, YOU KNOW.

ACHIEVEMENTS AND AND CLAWBACKS, SO TO SPEAK, SO THAT IT COULD BE WORDED IN A MORE ENFORCEABLE WAY THAN PERHAPS THE RIVERWALK BID WAS.

YES. IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE RIVERWALK BID.

OKAY. AND DID AND MY LAST COMMENT FOR NOW IS THAT I DID NOT SAY THAT THE VOTERS OF FLOWER MOUND WERE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND DETERS.

I THINK THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE.

AND I STOOD UP THAT NIGHT AND SAID THAT I THINK THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE.

WHAT I SAID WAS, I THINK IT REQUIRES A VAST AMOUNT OF TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE INTRICACIES, AND I WONDERED IF PEOPLE WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT THAT TIME IN.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY.

THANK YOU. SO JUST TO REMIND COUNCIL WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS EVENING REALLY IS JUST THE, THE RESOLUTION AND THEN CALLING AN ELECTION.

SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING A PID.

ALL WE'RE DOING IS, IS TRYING TO GET CONSENT TO SEND AN ITEM TO A BALLOT TO LET OUR RESIDENTS DECIDE, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

AND I, TO THAT POINT, THIS IS JUST TO ALLOW US TO CALL THE VOTE SO THE RESIDENTS CAN SAY, COUNCIL YOU'RE ABLE TO DO A PID, IS THAT CORRECT? IT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY ESTABLISH A PID.

THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S A CONDITION PRECEDENT.

BUT IT EVEN IF THE VOTE WERE SUCCESSFUL, IT DOES NOT OBLIGATE COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY CREATE THE PID.

AND THEN ONCE WE DO CREATE A PID, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN PUT IN THESE PERFORMANCE MEASURES.

WE CAN PUT IN THE REQUIREMENTS AND WORK TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD BE WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO COUNCIL.

THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S SOLELY AT THE DISCRETION OF COUNCIL.

OKAY. SO JUST TO ANSWER THE ONE QUESTION WE HAD ABOUT THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE PID, MAKING SURE THAT RESIDENTS LIKE THE RIVERWALK ARE AWARE THAT THEY'RE MOVING INTO AN AREA THAT HAS A PID. SO THE LEGISLATION, LEGISLATIVE HAS ADDED A LOT OF PROVISIONS TO MAKE THAT WE CAN ADD TO THE PID VERBIAGE.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND IN WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DO IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

AND SO WE HAVE A BASELINE OF IF THIS IS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS AND WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE WOULD HAVE ALL THOSE PROPER PROVISIONS SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE STEPPING INTO AND WHAT TO ANTICIPATE AS FAR AS ASSESSMENTS.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TOOK A LOT OF CARE ON.

AND ALSO JUST TALKING JUST GENERALLY ABOUT THE RIVERWALK PID, THERE'S A LOT OF LESSONS LEARNED ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

WE RECOGNIZE HOW THAT SITUATION WENT.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO STEER IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE CLAWBACKS AND THOSE MECHANISMS TO ENSURE WHAT IS ADVERTISED ACTUALLY GETS DELIVERED.

JAMES, DIDN'T I HEAR THAT EVEN SOME MUNICIPALITIES HAVE GONE SO FAR AS LITERALLY POSTING LIKE A NOTICE SIGN AT THE ENTRY OF THE AREA? YES THAT'S TRUE.

COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MY EXPECTATION WOULD BE IF THE PID WERE SENT TO A VOTE, AND THE VOTERS AGREED THAT I WOULD WANT MANY OF THOSE PROVISIONS INCLUDED.

ABSOLUTELY. ESPECIALLY THE COMMUNICATION, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD OF MANY CASES WHERE RESIDENTS DIDN'T THEY WEREN'T AWARE, THEY HAD NO IDEA THAT THEY COULD BE ASSESSED THE PID AMOUNT. AND SO I WANT COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY ON THAT IF IT GOES THROUGH.

I THINK THIS BOARD, I THINK YOU'VE ALL BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR COMPONENT OF IT.

SO IT'S UNDERSTOOD IT'S ARTICULATED WITH OUR CONSULTANTS.

SO IF WE WERE IN A POSITION WHERE WE MOVED FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD AND EXECUTED.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

SO GO AHEAD.

SO JUST JUST TO CLARIFY ONE OTHER THING.

SO WE STILL HAVE AN OUTSTANDING LAWSUIT WITH FIRST RANCH AT THIS TIME.

NO, THAT'S THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

OKAY. SO THEN I GUESS, WHAT ARE WE WHAT ARE WE DISCUSSING AS FAR AS THE THE IS IT THE RULE OF AN AGREEMENT.

SO THE THE THE RULE 11 AGREEMENT IS A DOCUMENT THAT WAS PRODUCED OUT OF THE 2007 LITIGATION.

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THAT LITIGATION WAS DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE.

WE'VE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH, HOW MISTY AND I HAVE VERY DIFFERING VIEWS OF WHAT THAT RULE 11 AGREEMENT SAYS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, BUT I MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL IS TO DECIDE WITHOUT RESPECT TO ANY THREAT OF LITIGATION, BECAUSE FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S LEGALLY SUBSTANTIATED TO THE LITIGATION IN 2007 INVOLVED A CLAIM OF FAILURE TO DELIVER MUNICIPAL SERVICES.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU RELITIGATE SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE.

BUT AGAIN, MISTY AND I HAVE ALSO NOT GONE INTO GREAT DETAIL AS TO WHAT THE PLEADINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE HER.

HE SHE CONTINUES TO CONTEND, AND I HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT THAT HER DESIRE AND HER CLIENT'S DESIRE IS TO CONTINUE TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY, COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE TOWN. OKAY.

BRANT. BRANT. THIS.

THIS APPLICATION DOCUMENT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THIS IS NECESSARY TO BRING FULL MUNICIPAL SERVICES CONSISTENT WITH THE PROJECT'S VESTED RIGHTS AND ZONING.

WHAT ELSE COULD THAT MEAN? THAT THAT WE'RE IN VIOLATION OF THAT RULE 11 AGREEMENT? I AGREE THAT I SUPPOSE THAT'S CONTINUES TO BE HER CONTENTION.

I JUST DISAGREE WITH THAT CONCLUSION.

I'M NOT PARTICULARLY CONCERNED WITH THE TOWN'S EXPOSURE WITH RESPECT TO A LAWSUIT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A LAWSUIT COULDN'T BE FILED AND THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH DEFENDING A LAWSUIT, EVEN IF IT IS BASELESS.

IF THE APPLICATION WERE AMENDED TO REMOVE THE WORDS CONSISTENT WITH VESTED RIGHTS.

WOULD YOU FEEL BETTER? NO, IT'S NOT THE THE FACT THAT THERE'S A QUOTE IN THERE.

IT'S THE FACT THAT THE APPROACH IS THAT YOU PROVIDE THIS PID OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, OR ELSE YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE RULE OF RULE 11 AGREEMENT WILL SEE YOU IN COURT.

AND THAT IS THE RISK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO RESOLVE TONIGHT.

AND SO I'LL JUST GO INTO IF YOU GUYS ARE OPEN, I'LL GIVE YOU MY OPINION ON THIS NOW.

SO I'M NOT A FAN OF PIDS, NOT THIS PID IN PARTICULAR, JUST PIDS IN GENERAL, BECAUSE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I GET FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THIS TOWN IS NO LONGER AFFORDABLE.

YOU CAN'T ADD AN ENTRY LEVEL HOME BUYER, OR A MIDDLE CLASS BUYER CAN'T BUY INTO FLOWER MOUND ANYMORE.

AND MY RESPONSE TO THEM IS, WELL, THE ONE THING WE CONTROL IS WE CAN STOP CONTRIBUTING TO THE LACK OF AFFORDABILITY BY RAISING TAXES.

SO THIS PUTS ANOTHER TAX ON THESE HOME BUYERS, MAKING IT MORE EXPENSIVE AND MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO BUY IN THAT I DON'T I DON'T I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.

BUT I AM SOMETIMES WILLING TO VOTE FOR THINGS I'M NOT COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE WITH IF IT RESOLVES LITIGATION.

AND SOMETIMES THAT'S NECESSARY, BUT IT HAS TO RESOLVE LITIGATION.

IF IT JUST LEAVES THE DOOR OPEN AND JUST PUSHES IT DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE FURTHER, WELL, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME.

SO MY I BELIEVE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHOICE, RESOLVE THE RULE 11 AGREEMENT, END THE THREATS, AND LET'S GO TO THE VOTERS OR PRESERVE THAT IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR ATTORNEY PREFERS.

AND THEN WE DON'T GO TO THE VOTERS.

WE HAVE UNTIL THE 16TH OF FEBRUARY.

THAT'S THE DROP DEAD DATE.

IF THIS DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD AND THE APPLICANT CHANGES HIS MIND, WE CAN CERTAINLY CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AND MOVE THIS FORWARD.

I WILL VOTE FOR IT.

IF WE GET A WAIVER FROM THE APPLICANT THAT SAYS, NO MORE THREATS, NO MORE LITIGATION.

LET'S GO TO THE VOTERS AND LET'S GET THIS PROJECT MOVING.

YEAH, I'M WITH YOU.

I THINK IT'S NOT VERY COLLABORATIVE.

IN MY OPINION, THE WORDING AND THE APPROACH.

YEAH. IT'S DISAPPOINTING.

THIS PUTS IT ON THE IF WE DO THE RESOLUTION AND THEN WE PUT IT ON THE THE BALLOT.

THAT IS.

OPENING UP TO THE VOTERS OF THE TOWN IN MAY TO DECIDE WHETHER TO APPROVE IT OR NOT.

WE'VE ALL HAD EDUCATION BY MARY PETTY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ABOUT.

PINS VERSUS OTHER.

INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING TOOLS.

IN THOSE SESSIONS, WE WERE TOLD.

GIVEN THE CHOICE, YOU WANT A PIT VERSUS OTHER ALTERNATIVES.

AND THAT THIS GIVES US THE MOST AMOUNT OF CONTROL BECAUSE OF THE PID.

A DOCUMENT THAT WE WOULD CRAFT AFTERWARDS FOR CONTROL OVER DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE DEPENDING UPON THE OTHER VEHICLES THAT ARE CHOSEN.

YOU DON'T WANT THAT, BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE VERY LITTLE TO NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER, AND YOU CAN END UP WITH THE SAME RESULT.

IN MY OPINION.

WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE THIS TONIGHT.

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BOTH THE RESOLUTION AS WELL AS THE, PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT AND LET THE VOTERS DECIDE IN MAY AFTER THEY HAVE AN EDUCATION SESSION, WHICH, THE APPLICANT WILL, WILL MANAGE.

MAY I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO BRYN? SURE. BRYN, YOU SAID THAT IF WE APPROVE BOTH OF THESE MEASURES TONIGHT AND THE VOTERS AGREE TO THE PID, THAT IT WILL BE DESIGNED ACCORDING TO OUR WISHES AND OUR DISCRETION.

THAT'S CORRECT. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT US FROM STIPULATING THE DISMISSAL OF THE RULE 11 AND A WAIVER AT THAT TIME? WE CAN'T MANDATE ANYTHING.

OKAY, SO WE CAN'T REQUIRE SOMEONE TO WAIVE RIGHTS THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY HOLD.

IT COULD BE A CONDITION TO CREATING THE PID, BUT OBVIOUSLY AT THAT POINT IN TIME YOU WILL HAVE HAD A PRESUMABLY AN APPROVAL BY THE VOTERS.

AND SO YOU'LL BASICALLY BE SAYING THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION AND WE WILL DISREGARD THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION, ALBEIT IN FAVOR, IF WE DON'T RECEIVE ADDITIONAL ASSURANCES ON TOP OF THE VOTER MANDATE, DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU AND MISTY COULD DISCUSS FURTHER THAT WOULD GIVE US ADDITIONAL COMFORT? IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO I, I DID TALK TO HER ABOUT A SCENARIO WHERE SHE WOULD ADVISE HER CLIENT TO WAIVE ANY CLAIMS, BUT THE ONLY SCENARIO THAT THAT INVOLVES IS THE PIT ELECTION IS SUCCESSFUL.

WE CREATE THE PID AND MUTUALLY AGREEABLE PID AND TERS AGREEMENTS ARE ENTERED INTO.

IT WE COULDN'T COME UP WITH A SCENARIO TO ADDRESS THE.

WHAT IF THE PIT ELECTION FAILS? THERE WAS REALLY NO WAY TO DO THAT.

AND THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME THAT, AS I SAID, SHE MADE IT VERY CLEAR SHE DOESN'T EXPECT A MUD OR AN MMD TO BE CREATED.

BUT THERE IS THE EXPECTATION THAT WE LOOK FOR OTHER AVENUES TO PROVIDE FUNDING.

AND AS I MENTIONED SOME EXAMPLES EARLIER, BUT WE'RE NOT LEGALLY BOUND TO DO SO IN ANY WAY.

THAT'S MY LEGAL OPINION, CORRECT? THANK YOU. COUNCIL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? I'LL JUST MAKE THE THE STATEMENT THAT ADAM, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND IDEALLY, IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THE THE WAIVER AT THIS POINT.

I THINK BY CALLING THE ELECTION AND ALLOWING THIS TO GO TO THE VOTERS, LET THE VOTERS DECIDE.

I THINK THAT ALLOWS A PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD.

IF IT IS SUCCESSFUL, THEN WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE A PID AND TERM AGREEMENT AND GET THAT DISMISSED, GET GET THE GET THE WAIVER, IF YOU WILL. AT THAT POINT, IF WE CALL AN ELECTION AND THE VOTERS DO NOT APPROVE IT, WE'RE NO WORSE THAN WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF SENDING IT TO THE VOTERS AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU. BRIAN. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO PYD IMPLEMENTATION RESOLUTION.

I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS K TWO AS PRESENTED.

SECOND ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION.

THERESA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER. TAYLOR. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. DREW. NAY.

MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

MARTIN. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHIESTEL. NAY.

ITEM NUMBER K TWO PASSES BY A VOTE OF 3 TO 2.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM K THREE.

CALLING THE ELECTION.

MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS K THREE CALLING FOR ELECTION OF PID AS PRESENTED.

SECOND ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION.

THERESA. WE HAVE A MOTION.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL.

NAY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

TAYLOR. AYE. ITEM K3 PASSES BY A VOTE OF 3 TO 2.

MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR SOLID WASTE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT AMENDMENT.

[K.4. Solid Waste Franchise Agreement Amendment - Public Hearing to consider adopting, on second reading, an ordinance amending an ordinance of the Town of Flower Mound, Texas which adopted a Solid Waste Franchise Agreement with Allied Waste Services of Fort Worth, LLC dba Republic Services, in order to impose an extra yardage (EXY) fee of $45.00 per incident of overflow to commercial and industrial customers in place of a notice of non-collection, including a fixed annual increase of 2.6%; and adding a Green Waste Pilot Program, at no charge to the Town which will provide for the pickup of green waste (such as brush, leaves, grass, weeds and other vegetation) from residents.]

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY MISS SHELLEY WILSON.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

AND NOT A PRESENTATION, BUT LIKE JAMES DID EARLIER, I'M GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE RECAP OF THIS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON JANUARY 16TH.

AGAIN, SHELLEY WILSON, CUSTOMER RELATIONS MANAGER FOR THE TOWN AND OUR REPUBLIC MUNICIPAL REP, JERRY HARWELL, IS HERE, TOO.

I WANTED TO ASK IF ANY QUESTIONS COME UP.

REGARDING A GREEN WASTE PILOT PROGRAM OR THE SEC CHARGES.

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IS IT OKAY IF IF JERRY DOES ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY. COUNCIL'S AMENABLE.

OKAY. SO.

OH, I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE MEMBERS OF THE CITIZENS ACADEMY THAT ARE WITH US TONIGHT.

THEY'RE A GREAT GROUP.

WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF HAVING THEM LAST WEEK, AND THEY'RE VERY INQUISITIVE AND ASK LOTS OF GOOD QUESTIONS.

SO, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE AGENDA ITEM, WHICH, BEFORE I GET STARTED, I DO NEED TO MAKE AN ADMISSION OF, LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN DOING AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND AN ORDINANCE.

THIS IS MY VERY FIRST ONE TO DO.

AND ON JANUARY 16TH, I TOLD YOU YOU DID NOT HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION, WHICH WAS INCORRECT.

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE.

AMENDING AN ORDINANCE REQUIRES TWO VOTES, TWO MOTIONS.

SO IN BRYN, IF IF I'M NOT EXPLAINING THIS CORRECTLY, AFTER THIS IS DONE, WE CAN DO TWO MOTIONS AND TWO VOTES ON THIS TONIGHT TO GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

SO. BACK IN DECEMBER, JERRY DID COME, AND SHE DID A PRESENTATION OUTLINING SOME GREEN WASTE OPTIONS FOR THE TOWN AT YOUR REQUEST.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE WAS INTEREST IN A GREEN WASTE PILOT PROGRAM, AND REPUBLIC OFFERED, TO DO THAT PROGRAM AT NO CHARGE TO THE TOWN.

IF WE COULD IMPLEMENT AND AMEND THE CONTRACT TO INCLUDE AN EXTRA YARDAGE FEE TO OUR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THEM OVERFILLING THEIR FRONT LOAD CONTAINERS.

AND IT'S A IT'S A DANGER TO THE DRIVERS WHEN THEY'RE ENTERING EMPTYING THE TRUCKS, BECAUSE THE DEBRIS CAN FALL OUT WHEN THEY'RE TOO FULL.

THE DEBRIS FALLS OUT AROUND THE CONTAINERS.

AND IT'S JUST NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.

SO THE STIPULATION WE HAVE IN THE CONTRACT IS, TO JUST NOT COLLECT IT.

NOTICE OF NON COLLECTION TO THE, TO THE CUSTOMER, WHICH REALLY ISN'T MUCH OF AN INCENTIVE TO THEM.

SO WE THINK THE EXTRA YARDAGE FEE MIGHT GIVE THEM MORE OF AN INCENTIVE WHEN THEY SEE THAT FEE ON THEIR BILL TO MAYBE CALL REPUBLIC.

AND THEN REPUBLIC CAN EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY THE FEE IS THERE, AND MAYBE SUGGEST INCREASING THE FREQUENCY TO WHICH THERE ARE CONTAINERS ARE EMPTIED, OR INCREASE THE SIZE OF THEIR CONTAINERS.

SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY AVOID THAT PROBLEM.

SO WE DID HAVE OUR FIRST READING ON JANUARY 16TH.

WE DID NOT TAKE A MOTION.

OR ANY ACTION THAT AT THAT TIME.

SO TODAY WE'RE REQUESTING THAT COUNCIL TAKES A MOTION COUNCIL JUST YOU KNOW,.

I'VE SPOKE TO BRANT AND STAFF, AND WE'LL BE OKAY WITH JUST NOTING THAT THERE'S BEEN TWO MOTIONS TONIGHT.

WE'LL CALL THEM INDEPENDENTLY AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE ALSO HAVE, MISS HARWELL HERE, WHO'S NOT REPRESENTING HERSELF AS A RESIDENT, BUT AS A SUPPLIER CONTRACTOR TO THE TOWN.

SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

NOPE. OKAY.

THANK YOU MA'AM. ALL RIGHT WITH THAT? THE TIME IS 733.

AND I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER K FOR THERESA.

DO WE HAVE ANY GREEN COMMENT CARDS FOR THIS ITEM? I DO NOT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

SEEING AND HEARING NONE.

THE TIME IS 734 AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

ANY DISCUSSION? I'LL ENTERTAIN THE FIRST MOTION.

SO HOW DO WE WORK THIS ONE? MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS K ITEM K ONE.

THE FRANCHISE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AS PRESENTED K FOR ROUND ONE.

YES. FOR WHATEVER LANGUAGE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD OKAY.

FROM THE PREVIOUS DATE OR ROUND ONE.

BRENNAN BASICALLY SAID AS LONG AS WE DELINEATE THAT THERE'S BEEN TWO, WE'RE FINE.

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT I THINK THAT MOTION WAS JUST FINE FOR K FOR.

OKAY. GOOD SECOND.

ANY DELIBERATION ON THE FIRST MOTION.

THERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MEMBER. TAYLOR. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. DREW. AYE.

MAYOR. PRO TEM ENGEL. AYE.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE. AND COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL AYE.

ITEM K4 A PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOVE TO APPROVE REPUBLIC WASTE.

FRANCHISE ORDINANCE AGREEMENT ROUND TWO, AS PRESENTED.

ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION? THERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL.

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AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. DREW.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. TAYLOR.

AYE. ITEM K4 B PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

MOVING ON.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE IMU 20 3-0003.

[K.5. MU23-0003 – Lakeside DFW MU-TEN & MU-C(3) Material Text Amendment - Public Hearing to consider an ordinance for rezoning (MU23-0003 – Lakeside DFW MU-TEN & MU-C(3) Material Text Amendment) to amend Mixed Use District-1 (MU-1) to amend the Architecture and Building Standards, specifically Section 7.1 B. Materials, for the MU-TEN and MU-C(3) subzones in the Lakeside DFW (Lakeside Village) Development Code. The property is generally located south of Edgemere Road and west of International Parkway. (PZ recommended approval by a vote of 5 to 1 at its January 22, 2024, meeting.)]

STAFF PRESENTATION BY MISS LEXIN MURPHY.

GOOD EVENING MA'AM. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND.

AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE.

PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE FOR A MATERIAL TEXT AMENDMENT.

IT'S TO THE EXISTING LAKESIDE DFW MIXED USE ORDINANCE.

IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE MU TEN AND MU C THREE AREAS WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE.

OH, OKAY.

I WAS AT THE END OF IT INSTEAD OF THE BEGINNING.

MY BAD. HERE IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S IN THE LAKESIDE VILLAGE AREA OF LAKESIDE.

THE OVERALL LAKESIDE DEVELOPMENT.

HERE'S A MORE DETAILED VIEW.

AND THEN HERE'S JUST A LITTLE MORE UPDATED AERIAL TO SHOW YOU.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONSTRUCTION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING THERE.

THE LAND USE OF THIS AREA IS MIXED USE, AS IS THE ZONING.

SO HERE'S THE CONCEPT PLAN.

AS MENTIONED, THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE MU TEN AND MU C THREE AREAS ONLY THOSE SUB ZONES.

SO IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO THE REMAINDER OF THE LAKESIDE DFW AREA.

AND THEN WITHIN THE MU TEN SUB ZONE.

THIS IS ANOTHER MAP.

FURTHER BREAKING THAT DOWN.

SO THERE'S ONE OF THE STANDARDS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE MS TWO AREA.

AND SO THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS BLUE BOX.

IT'S THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO THE LAKE.

SO THE FIRST PROPOSED MU AMENDMENT IS TO MAKE CHANGE TO THE LIMITED FACADE MATERIALS SECTION.

WHAT'S IN THE RED BOX IS WHAT THAT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY SAYS.

IT IDENTIFIES MATERIALS THAT CAN BE USED UP TO 20% ON A FACADES AND 80% OF B FACADES.

WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR THE CHANGE HERE IS IN RED TEXT.

AND SO THE EXCEPTION WOULD BE WITHIN THE MU TEN AND MU C THREE.

SO AGAIN HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE THERE.

ACM ALUMINUM COMPOSITE METAL AND GFRC GLASS FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE MAY BE USED UP TO 20% ON A AND B FACADES.

SO IT'S BASICALLY INTRODUCING NEW MATERIALS AND PUTTING LIMITATIONS ON THE AMOUNT THEY CAN BE USED.

SO IT WOULD BE USED JUST AS AN ACCENT MATERIAL AND LIMIT OF ONLY 20%, NO MATTER WHAT THE THE STRUCTURE IS, WHETHER IT'S ONE THAT'S MORE PROMINENT AS AN A FACADE OR ONE THAT'S MORE SECONDARY, THAT'S NOT AS VISIBLE AS B.

HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT MADE A REQUEST AFTER THIS WENT FORWARD TO P AND Z, AND WANTED TO INCREASE THE USE OF THE ALUMINUM COMPOSITE METAL TO UP TO 25%.

I THINK THEY HAD HAD A MISUNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE CALCULATED THOSE FACADE PERCENTAGES.

THEY WERE NOT INCLUDING, THE OR.

THEY WERE INCLUDING THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND WE NORMALLY TAKE THOSE OUT.

AND SO IT CHANGED THAT PERCENTAGE.

SO BECAUSE OF THAT THEY WANTED TO INCREASE IT TO 25% FOR THE ACM SO THAT THEIR PROPOSED DESIGN WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO REDESIGN.

SO IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL IS SUPPORTIVE OF, AND IF YOU WERE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT BECAUSE IT IS NOT WITHIN THE ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED.

THAT'S NOT WHAT P AND Z MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON.

THIS IS JUST TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THOSE TWO MATERIALS.

HERE'S THE ACM AND THEN THE GFC IS THIS MATERIAL THAT'S AROUND THE OPENINGS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE GFC IS SUPPOSED TO BE A MORE FLEXIBLE MATERIAL, SO EASIER TO DO THOSE TYPE OF ROUNDED OPENINGS, AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED TO INCORPORATE IT.

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THE ONE THAT IS SUBJECT TO MS TWO ONLY.

AS I MENTIONED, DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM, WHERE IT'S ADJACENT TO THE LAKE.

SO THIS IS WHERE THERE IS PROPOSED TO BE A PARKING GARAGE CONSTRUCTED, AND THERE WILL EVENTUALLY BE SEVERAL STRUCTURES ON TOP OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

AND SO THE PARKING SPACES THEMSELVES WILL BE UNDERNEATH THAT SUBGRADE, NOT NECESSARILY VISIBLE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ON THE STREET AND AND ARRIVING AT THE AREA.

AND SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING IS WHAT'S IN THE RED BOX.

AND SO THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR PAINTED CONCRETE EITHER CAST IN PLACE OR PRECAST, AND TO BE USED ON THE PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE.

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THE WAY THAT OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED IT TO BE STUCCO.

AND SO, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS FACING THE LAKE AND NOT ACTUALLY VISIBLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE STREET OR ACTUALLY ACCESSING THE STRUCTURES.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO INDICATED ANOTHER REASON FOR IT IS THAT THEY THINK THE PAINTED CONCRETE IS LESS PRONE TO CRACKING THAN STUCCO, SO THEY WANTED TO ALLOW FOR THAT MATERIAL TO BE USED ON THE PARKING GARAGE SPECIFICALLY, AS WELL AS THEY WANTED TO USE CABLE RAIL AND PIPE RAIL TO ALSO BE ALLOWED TO BE USED.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME IMAGES TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THAT, ON THE PARKING GARAGE WALLS THAT DO NOT FACE OR FRONT ON TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR PUBLIC PARKING AREAS.

SO THE SIDES OF THE PARKING GARAGE THAT ARE SUBGRADE, THAT ARE FACING OUT TO THE LAKE IS WHERE THEY WANTED TO USE THE CABLE RAIL OR PIPE RAIL.

AND THEN THEY PUT IN HERE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE PERCENTAGE OF THE SIDE THAT COULD BE, THIS CABLE RAIL, THAT IT WOULDN'T EXCEED 50% OF THE LENGTH OF EACH ELEVATION'S FACADE PER EACH LEVEL.

AND THEN ON THE, ON THE SOUTH FACADE AND ON THE EAST FACADE WOULDN'T EXCEED 75% OF THE LENGTH OF EACH ELEVATION'S FACADE PER EACH LEVEL.

THEN THE EAST, SOUTH AND WEST BOUNDARIES OF THE STREET LEVEL PARKING GARAGE SHALL BE SECURED WITH CABLE RAIL FENCE IN THE INTERIM UNTIL THE FIRST NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDING DEVELOPS ON TOP OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

SO IN THIS CASE, THEY ARE WANTING TO DO THE CABLE RAIL ON THE TOP OF THE PARKING GARAGE, BUT ONLY UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE FIRST STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED OUT THERE.

WITH THE IDEA THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT, I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CERTAIN OF THE PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDINGS, AND IT WOULD BE A LOT CHEAPER AND EASIER TO JUST BE ABLE TO QUICKLY REMOVE CABLE RAILS ONCE THEY'RE READY TO CONSTRUCT, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO TAKE DOWN MORE OF A STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE A CONCRETE WALL THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE FOR SAFETY.

SO THAT WAS THAT'S JUST A TEMPORARY PROVISION.

AND SO, BEFORE THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST COE FOR THE FIRST NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON THE TOP OF THE GARAGE, THAT ANY OF THAT STREET LEVEL CABLE RAIL FENCE WOULD BE REPLACED WITH EITHER A 42 INCH TALL WROUGHT IRON FENCE, 42 INCH TALL GLASS FENCE, OR A COMBINATION OF A 33 INCH CONCRETE WALL WITH A PIPE RAIL ON TOP FOR THE TOTAL OF 42IN.

SO THAT WOULD BE.

THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED WHICH ONE YET.

STAFF THOUGHT ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS WOULD BE FINE.

THEY WANTED TO ALLOW SOME VISIBILITY, ALSO ENSURE THEY'RE MEETING SAFETY CONCERNS.

SO FOR THAT BOTTOM PARAGRAPH, EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT ON THAT REQUEST FOR THE TOP PARAGRAPH.

YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THIS MARKED UP SECTION, THIS IS WHAT P AND Z RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF.

SO TO ALLOW THE PAINTED CONCRETE EITHER CAST IN PLACE OR PRECAST.

BUT RATHER THAN ALLOW CABLE RAIL OR PIPE RAIL TO BE USED AS WELL.

IT WOULD ONLY ALLOW THE PAINTED CONCRETE OR A COMBINATION OF THE PAINTED CONCRETE AND THE PIPE RAIL FENCE.

SO WITH THE PIPE RAIL, WE IF THE PIPE RAIL IS USED, IT WOULD BE A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 33IN WITH A CONCRETE WALL, AND THEN THE NINE INCH PIPE RAIL ON TOP FOR THAT TOTAL OF 42.

SO P AND Z PREFERRED TO SEE THE KIND OF HALF CONCRETE WALL WITH THE PIPE RAIL ON TOP, AS OPPOSED TO THE CABLE RAIL.

THAT WAS THEIR PREFERENCE. THE APPLICANT IS STILL REQUESTING TO, IS STILL REQUESTING COUNCIL CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THEIR FIRST PARAGRAPH, AS THEY HAD ORIGINALLY REQUESTED IT. SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WANT YOUR MOTION TO BE.

FEEL FREE TO TO CHECK WITH ME ON HOW YOU MIGHT NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ANYTHING.

BUT WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE ORDINANCE IS WHAT P AND Z RECOMMENDED.

SO IT'S THIS FIRST PARAGRAPH ON OKAY AND LEXIN.

WHAT WAS THE DRIVER FOR THE REQUEST FROM P AND Z? I THINK PNC FELT LIKE IT WOULD HAVE A BETTER LOOK TO IT, TO HAVE A MORE SUBSTANTIAL LOOK, TO HAVE THE THE HALF CONCRETE WALL WITH THE PIPE RAIL ON TOP, AS OPPOSED TO USING CABLE RAILS.

THE APPLICANT HAD INDICATED DURING THE PNC MEETING THAT THEIR PRIMARY DRIVER FOR USING THE CABLE RAILS WAS TO ALLOW MORE LIGHT INTO THE STRUCTURE, AND THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE A SOLID CONCRETE WALL.

THE CABLE RAILS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN ENCOURAGES ON PARKING GARAGES WITHIN THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WE RECENTLY ADOPTED.

THOSE ARE DISCOURAGED FOR PARKING GARAGES.

NOW, THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A MERITORIOUS DESIGN EXCEPTION TO TAKE IT FORWARD BECAUSE, THIS IS AN MU ORDINANCE WITH ITS OWN DESIGN STANDARDS.

SO THEY'RE ABLE TO PROPOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO.

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BUT I THINK THAT P AND Z FELT LIKE IT WOULD, IT WOULD LOOK BETTER WITH THE HALF WALL WITH THE PIPE RAIL, AND IT WOULD STILL ALLOW SOME LIGHT IN AND TO DO IT AS A HALF WALL RATHER THAN A SOLID CONCRETE WALL.

THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN A HALF WALL, THOUGH.

33 TO 42IN.

NOW THAT 33IN WOULD BE, WOULD THAT FOLLOW OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES? THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT, I THINK.

SO I WANT THAT WATCH THAT P AND Z MEETING.

AND IT SEEMED THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HEADLIGHTS.

YOU COME IN AND THE PARKING GARAGE ISN'T VISIBLE FROM THE NORTH, BUT IT IS VISIBLE FROM THE SOUTH, THE EAST, THE WEST, IF YOU'RE IN THE LAKE, IF YOU'RE AT ROCKLEDGE PARK, SO THAT EVERY TIME SOMEBODY PARKS, IT'S GOING TO BE HEADLIGHTS.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN.

YEAH. SO I'M GOING TO MOVE FORWARD TO JUST SHOW SOME OF THE IMAGES WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER VISUAL TO COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL PERSPECTIVE THERE. SO HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE IN THE FUTURE AS PROPOSED.

AND SO HERE WOULD BE THE NORTH ELEVATION.

SO THIS WOULD BE AS YOU WERE AS YOU WERE DRIVING UP.

THIS IS KIND OF WHAT YOU SEE.

IT'S ALL YOU ONLY SEE ABOVE GRADE.

SO THERE WOULD BE NONE OF THIS WOULD REALLY COME INTO PLAY.

SO THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

AND SO, THIS IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED WHERE THE BELOW STREET LEVEL CABLE RAIL.

AND THEN THE.

AGAIN. HERE IS THE BELOW STREET LEVEL CABLE RAIL ON THE YELLOW.

SO TRIED TO CLARIFY THE BASE ON PNC RECOMMENDATION IN THE YELLOW AREAS THAT IT WOULD BE PAINTED CONCRETE OR A COMBINATION OF CONCRETE AND PIPE RAIL WOULD BE ALLOWED.

SO THE GREEN IS THE STREET LEVEL WROUGHT IRON, GLASS OR CONCRETE WITH PIPE RAIL.

SO THIS IS KIND OF THE BEFORE AND AFTER.

AGAIN INITIALLY IT WOULD HAVE THE STREET LEVEL CABLE RAIL.

THIS IS ON THE INTERIM UNTIL SOMETHING'S ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED OUT THERE.

AND THEN AS SOON AS THE FIRST BUILDING WENT IN, IT WOULD BE REPLACED WITH WHATEVER THE APPLICANT PREFERS, EITHER THE WROUGHT IRON GLASS RAILING OR THE CONCRETE WITH THE PIPE RAIL. SO, SO JUST TO HELP ME OUT HERE.

SO IF YOU WERE STANDING.

OR HAVING A PICNIC AT ROCKLEDGE PARK BECAUSE IT SAYS SOUTH ELEVATION.

SO THAT'S FACING SOUTH.

SO IF YOU'RE AT ROCKLEDGE PARK HAVING A PICNIC AT NIGHT AND YOU LOOK BACK TO THE NORTH, THEN THAT THAT REPRESENTATION ON THE TOP OF YOUR SLIDE IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ACTUALLY.

LIKE, WHERE ARE YOU STANDING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT WHERE? WHERE YOU CAN SEE ALL THAT EXPOSED.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE.

IT WOULD BE WAY DOWN. LIKE IF YOU WERE IN THE SOMEWHERE HERE, FOR SOME REASON, YOU WERE ON THE CORE PROPERTY OR IN THE LAKE.

SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE ALL THE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT ACTUALLY DEPICTS IT LOOKING LIKE THAT YET, AND I, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO WATCH THE PNC, SO I'M SORRY, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS, THIS LITTLE GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION HERE, TO ME, MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S JUST A HILL.

SO WHEN YOU SHOWED LIKE YOU WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ARE YOU? SO IF YOU WERE DOWN THERE AT THAT PAVILION, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK TO THE NORTH AND SEE ALL THAT OPEN AREA IN THE PARKING GARAGE.

POTENTIALLY. SO THIS IS AGAIN THIS IS A RENDERING THAT THE APPLICANT PUT TOGETHER.

IT'S A RENDERING I MEAN IT IT'S NOT EXACT.

BUT SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TREES THAT ARE EXISTING ON THE CORE PROPERTY.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU PROBABLY YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT.

AND I THINK THAT IS THEIR THAT WAS THEIR POINT IS THAT BECAUSE DUE TO THE EXISTING TREES, THEY FELT LIKE, IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY WERE REQUESTING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE CABLE RAIL, YOU KNOW, THAT ELEVATION CHANGES FROM THE LOWEST LEVEL OF THE PARKING GARAGE AND DOWN TO THE THE PAVILIONS AT ROCKLEDGE? PARTIALLY I DO NOT THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT THE NORTH SIDE IT'S YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE THEY DON'T OKAY.

SO THE TREES MAY OR MAY NOT LIVE.

WE DON'T KNOW. SO I MEAN, WE HOPE WE HOPE THE TREES LIVE.

WE HOPE THEY DO, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT.

YEAH. AND THE TREES ARE ON THE THE CORE PROPERTY, SO, IT WOULD NOT BE.

WE CANNOT REQUIRE THAT THEY BE MAINTAINED BECAUSE IT IS NOT ACTUALLY PART OF THIS APPLICATION BOUNDARY.

IT IS THE ADJACENT CORE PROPERTY.

AND IF THEY WERE DAMAGED IN ANY WAY.

WE DON'T ENFORCE ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? NOT OUR TREES AND FLOWER MOUND REALLY TECHNICALLY.

SO THE CORE COULD REMOVE THEM ALL IF THEY WANTED TO FOR SOME REASON, AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF AUTHORITY OVER THE CORE.

YEAH. NO. LIKE UNFORTUNATELY.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION KIND OF THE WHAT WOULD BE INITIALLY.

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AND THEN ONCE THE STRUCTURES ARE IN PLACE AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE EAST ELEVATION.

SO AGAIN INITIALLY AND THEN THIS IS THE AFTER CONSTRUCTION.

AND SO RIGHT NOW THIS IS SHOWING ALL THE YELLOW WOULD BE THE STREET LEVEL CABLE RAIL WITH THE P AND Z RECOMMENDATION.

THAT WOULD BE THE PAINTED CONCRETE WITH PIPE RAIL ON TOP.

AND THEN THE WEST ELEVATION.

SO REALLY NOT IT'S NOT IMPACTED BY THE THE CABLE RAIL REQUEST.

ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

IS THERE A REASON IT WAS DISCONTINUOUS? I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMED KIND OF AWKWARD TO JUST END IT AND THEN START AGAIN AND START.

SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT WAS, THAT THE INTENT WAS TO NOT HAVE IT JUST BE SOLID CABLE RAIL ALL THE WAY ACROSS.

THAT'S WHY THEY HAD ACTUALLY WRITTEN INTO THEIR STANDARDS THAT IT WOULD BE, A MAXIMUM OF A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF ANY INDIVIDUAL LEVEL.

SO I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO BREAK IT UP AND MAKE IT MORE VISUALLY INTERESTING WHERE SOMEONE TO SEE IT SO THAT IT WASN'T JUST A CABLE RAIL ALL THE WAY ACROSS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LIGHT ACTUALLY WILL GO IN THERE IF THOSE TREES SURVIVE.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR ME.

I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF CABLE RAIL WHEN YOU CAN HAVE PIPE RAIL.

I DO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REQUEST FOR THE TOP DECK TO BE USED TEMPORARILY UNTIL ANY BUILDINGS GO IN, SO I'M A LITTLE MORE SYMPATHETIC ON THAT ONE. SO THIS IS JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLE PICTURES TO SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENCE.

THE CABLE RAIL AND THEN THE CONCRETE WALL WITH THE PIPE RAILING ON TOP.

BUT DOESN'T IT LOOK MORE OPEN, THOUGH? I MEAN, I KNOW IT DOESN'T SOUND COOL, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK AS SUBSTANTIAL TO ME.

IT JUST DOESN'T. IT LOOKS LESS EXPENSIVE AND MORE TEMPORARY.

BUT YOU DON'T WANT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THROUGH TO THE CARS.

AND IF YOU'RE WALKING, YOU'RE HIGHER UP THAN THAT.

MOST PEOPLE. I MIGHT BE ON THE LIMIT, BUT YOU MIGHT.

I MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE OVER THAT PIPE RAIL.

I DON'T NEED TO SEE THROUGH THAT.

IF I'M PARKING MY CAR THERE, I'D RATHER SCREEN THE CAR PARKING FROM THE OTHER PEOPLE.

YEAH, IT'S NOT VERY WELL SCREENED.

IT WOULDN'T BE IF IT WERE ALL CABLE.

SO IN JUST THE CAPTION.

AND THAT AGAIN, IT'S THE MATERIAL TEXT AMENDMENT.

WITHIN THE MIXED USE ORDINANCE, IT'S LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE MU TEN AND MU C THREE AREAS, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT ALSO IS HERE WITH A PRESENTATION.

I THINK THEY'VE ADDED SOME SLIDES TO IT SINCE P AND Z, SO THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO, GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION.

SO WE'LL GIVE THEM 3.5 MINUTES.

NO MORE. THAT'S JUST A JOKE.

COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LEXIN BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. LEXIN.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE AUSTIN GRAY REALTY CAPITAL PRESENTING.

AND THEN I ALSO HAVE A NOTE THAT MIKE SAENZ AND OR MIKE OEHLER, JAMISON MAYS ALSO AVAILABLE.

I THINK THERE'S A GENTLEMAN IN THE FRONT.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

AUSTIN GRAY REALTY CAPITAL, 909 LAKE CAROLYN PARKWAY.

THANK YOU TO LEXIN AND POORNIMA AND STAFF FOR FOR THEIR HELP KIND OF LAST FEW WEEKS GETTING US HERE.

JUST A REAL QUICK UPDATE BEFORE I SHOW YOU A FEW SLIDES.

I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS QUICK.

WE'VE BEEN OUT IN THE MARKET THE LAST FEW WEEKS TRYING TO RAISE ABOUT $20 MILLION TO COMPLETE THIS GARAGE AND SOME OF THE REMAINING INFRASTRUCTURE.

BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT? THANKFULLY. SO WE'RE WE'RE EXCITED TO TO KIND OF GET ROLLING AND AND GET STARTED ON THIS.

SO, I'LL JUMP.

I'LL JUMP THROUGH SOME THINGS AT LEXIN HAD ALREADY COVERED.

YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THIS ALREADY.

JUST THE QUICK LAY OF THE LAND HERE.

THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL TOWER THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

FUTURE HOTEL AND OFFICE IN THIS AREA.

PARKING GARAGE DOWN HERE.

KIND OF ON THE RESTAURANT POINT WITH THE RESTAURANTS AND WEDDING CHAPEL, SURROUNDING IT.

JUST REAL QUICK ON THE ON THE TWO MATERIALS THAT WERE REQUESTING APPROVAL ON, AGAIN, VERY LIMITED USE.

WE HAVE SOME SAMPLES THAT WE CAN SHOW, WE CAN SHOW YOU HERE, BUT THESE KIND OF COME RECOMMENDED FROM OUR ARCHITECT, BOCA PAL.

THE GFC IS A VERY SIMILAR TO TO CAST STONE.

YOU KNOW THEIR THEIR RECOMMENDATION JUST SAYS THE ADVANTAGE OF GFC IS THAT IT CAN BE FORMED AT A COMPLEX DETAILED GEOMETRIES.

IT'S INSTITUTIONAL GRADE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE CHARACTERISTICS AND CAN PROVIDE CRISP DETAILING.

SO YOU KNOW, AS LEXIN POINTED OUT, WE'RE JUST KIND OF USING IT FOR FOR SOME ACCENT ON THE ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE HOTEL AND OFFICE,

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SIMILAR WITH THE WITH THE ACM.

THIS IS THIS IS GRANITE PARK SEVEN OVER IN IN PLANO YOU CAN SEE THESE HORIZONTAL BANDS.

HERE ARE THE ACM.

IT'S IT'S A LIGHT MATERIAL.

IT INTEGRATES WELL INTO CURTAIN WALL.

IT'S GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT COLOR OPPORTUNITIES.

AND SO WE CAN, WE CAN MATCH OUR, OUR CURTAIN WALL MULLIONS AND IT'S, IT'S RATED FOR, TO LAST A LONG TIME.

SO AGAIN JUST LIMITED USE OF, OF THOSE TWO MATERIALS.

SO ON THE PARKING GARAGE, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, IN PNC HAD HAD SOME SIMILAR CONCERNS WITH THE HEADLIGHTS AND CERTAINLY HERE YOU GUYS AND APPRECIATE THAT.

HOPE HOPEFULLY A FEW OF THESE PICTURES WILL ALLEVIATE A FEW OF THOSE CONCERNS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S KIND OF IT'S ALMOST LIKE A WALK OUT BASEMENT AS YOU ENTER THE TOP DECK FROM SUNSET.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO ENTER THIS TOP DECK AT GRADE, GO AROUND THIS LOOP, THE ENTRY AND EXITS OVER HERE ON THE EAST SIDE.

YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF CARS.

NOW, GRANTED, THIS IS A WEDDING CHAPEL HERE.

HAS POTENTIAL TO BLOCK HEADLIGHTS FROM FROM THE TOP DECK, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S POTENTIALLY MORE HEADLIGHT EFFECT FROM THE CARS ON THE TOP DECK THAT ARE GOING AROUND BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT GRADE CHANGE.

BUT IF I HAD TO ESTIMATE KIND OF FROM FROM THIS ROAD HERE TO THE BOTTOM LEVEL OF OUR GARAGE, IT'S ROUGHLY 20FT.

I MEAN, IT'S IT'S A DECENT SLOPE THERE.

SO, I'LL JUMP AHEAD HERE.

SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF A PARKING GARAGE AT OUR OFFICE BUILDING.

AND THIS IS THE RESERVE LEVEL.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A VALID CONCERN.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN OUR OFFICE THAT CHOSE NOT TO PARK ON THIS BOTTOM LEVEL THAT JUST DIDN'T.

SAFETY CONCERNS.

MY WIFE USED TO WORK AT A PLACE THAT THE PARKING GARAGE DIDN'T HAVE GREAT LIGHTING.

SHE'D CALL ME EVERY SINGLE NIGHT ON THE WAY TO HER VEHICLE.

SO IT'S.

I GUESS IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR US TO SAY EXACTLY HOW MUCH MORE LIGHT WOULD COME IN, BUT IT'S WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE.

THE GOAL IS TO MAKE THE GUEST EXPERIENCE THE BEST WE CAN, AND IF WE CAN LET A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT IN AND MAKE THAT FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE FOR THEM, THAT'S REALLY OUR MAIN GOAL.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, IT IS.

LET'S SEE IN ABOUT 30 OR 40% MORE LIGHT COMPARED TO JUST A SOLID CONCRETE WALL.

YOU'VE SEEN THAT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER RENDERING KIND OF LOOKING SOUTH.

THIS IS THE NORTH FACADE.

IT'S ALL BELOW GRADE.

DON'T NEED TO TOUCH ON THAT. SO THE SOUTH FACADE.

I ACTUALLY WANTED TO TO SHOW YOU THIS REAL QUICK.

I TOOK THIS A COUPLE DAYS AGO.

THIS IS FROM FAIRWAY DRIVE.

IT'S THE ONLY PLACE I COULD FIND TO PULL OVER THERE.

THE GREEN SHEETING YOU SEE ON THIS BUILDING IS ABOUT SIX STORIES UP.

SO THESE TREES FROM FAIRWAY DRIVE ARE COVERED.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COVERING UP THE FOUR STORIES ON HERE.

THE GRADE ACTUALLY DROPS A LITTLE BIT AS YOU GET DOWN TO WHERE THE GARAGE WOULD GO KIND OF IN THIS AREA.

AND SO IT'S.

WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ALMOST INVISIBLE FROM FAIRWAY DRIVE AS YOU'RE KIND OF COMING OVER THE DAM.

THIS PICTURE HERE ON THE LEFT IS AN IMAGE.

I'M DOWN IN ROCKLEDGE PARK.

WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING BACK UP.

I MEAN, THESE TREES HERE COVER THE ENTIRE SLOPE.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE TWO CRANES ARE BUILT.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HARDLY SEE THOSE.

THESE ARE BOTH IMAGES FROM FROM THE LAKESIDE PROPERTY LOOKING LOOKING DIRECTLY SOUTH.

AGAIN, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S IT'S HEAVILY TREED.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE DON'T KNOW IF THOSE TREES WILL BE THERE FOREVER.

THEY'VE BEEN THERE AS LONG AS AS LONG AS WE'VE BEEN AROUND.

AND THESE ARE, THESE WERE BOTH TAKEN JUST LAST WEEK.

SO EVEN MORE, MORE SCREENED WHEN, YOU KNOW, SPRING AND SUMMER COME AND THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY LEAVES ON THE TREES.

SO I THINK WE GET THIS HERE.

SO THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE GREEN HERE WOULD BE A NICER MATERIAL ONCE THESE BUILDINGS COME LEXIN, YOU KNOW, TOUCHED ON, WE JUST WE NEED SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE TO TO NOT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DEMO CONCRETE TO COME BACK AND PUT THESE IN.

LET'S SEE HERE.

THIS IS JUST A OUR BEST VISUAL REPRESENTATION WE COULD GET OF THE SOUTH FACADE, KIND OF JUST WITH ALL THE TREE SCREENING HERE.

AGAIN, THE BROWNS, JUST THE TEMPORARY RAILING ON THE TOP.

SIMILAR WITH THE EAST ELEVATION.

SO THIS IS I'M STANDING ALMOST WHERE THE ENTRANCE SIGN FOR ROCKWOOD PARK IS OVER HERE ON, ON FAIRWAY DRIVE.

AGAIN, THIS THIS IS COVERING ALMOST, ALMOST SIX STORIES OF THIS BUILDING.

THE PARKING GARAGE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DOWN HERE IN THIS AREA.

SO THE, THE LEVY ITSELF, JUST BECAUSE OF THE BURN IT CREATES, I MEAN, THE EAST ELEVATION IS, IS TOTALLY INVISIBLE FROM,

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FROM THE PUBLIC.

COMPLETELY. THIS IS WHAT THE EAST ELEVATION WOULD LOOK LIKE, FROM OUR PROPERTY KIND OF LOOKING OUT TOWARDS FAIRWAY DRIVE, HEAVILY SCREENED. ONE THING I DID WANT TO TOUCH ON.

SO ON THE EAST ELEVATION, WE ONLY HAVE SEVEN PARKING SPACES ON THE BOTTOM LEVEL THAT IF A CAR WERE PARKED, IS ACTUALLY FACING DUE EAST.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST RAMPS AND CIRCULATION.

SO THAT KIND OF COUPLED JUST WITH THE TREES AND THE BURM.

YOU KNOW, AT A VERY MINIMUM, WE WOULD WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE EAST FACADE BEING ABLE TO DO THE CABLE RAILING BECAUSE IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S CERTAINLY MORE, SCREENED THAN, THAN EVEN THE SOUTH FACADE.

AND THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST THE SEVEN SPACES DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM LEVEL THAT WOULD FACE EAST ANYWAY.

SO EAST EAST IS RESIDENTIAL RIGHT THOUGH.

IS THERE, IS THERE A MOBILE HOME PARK THAT'S EAST.

NO IT WOULDN'T IT WOULDN'T FACE THAT.

SO FOR THE NORTH, THIS IS YEAH.

IT JUST WOULD FACE JUST FACE FAIRWAY DRIVE I MEAN, IT'S THERE'S A RIGHT OVER THIS BURM RIGHT HERE.

ROCKLEDGE PARK HAS JUST THE MAINTENANCE AREA WHERE THEY KEEP THEIR ALL THEIR, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES AND WHATNOT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT FACES.

YEAH. WEST FACADE.

THE REASON WE WERE HOPING FOR FLEXIBILITY TO USE THE 33IN OF CONCRETE WITH THE PIPE RAIL ON TOP WAS WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS FACADE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE GRAY. AND KIND OF COMES UP WHERE IF WE DID THE CABLE RAILING, IT JUST YOU COULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE, THE GRADE COMES UP ABOVE THE WALL.

SO, AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S IT.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU, MR. GRAY.

COUNCIL. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

SO I DO. SO I GET THE TOP FLOOR, IF YOU WILL, OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

WHY YOU WANT FLEXIBILITY THERE AND ONLY PUT UP TEMPORARY STUFF BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE THE RESTAURANTS IN THE CHAPEL ARE GOING TO BE.

IF IF THE TREES ARE THAT PROVIDING THAT MUCH, FILTERING.

HOW MUCH MORE LIGHT ARE YOU ACTUALLY GOING TO GET ON THE BOTTOM LEVEL? WE DO HAVE.

I'M NOT 100% SURE.

I THINK. I MEAN, WE HAVE FROM WHERE THE FACADE OF THE GARAGE WALL WOULD BE TO THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY IS WE HAVE A 20 FOOT GAP THERE. SO THERE IS SOME SPACE WHERE I MEAN, I THINK IT COULD LET SOME LIGHT IN.

THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY PLANT SOME ADDITIONAL SHRUBS OR TREES, KIND OF ON THAT BOTTOM LEVEL IF, IF THAT WAS A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT ACTUALLY IS, IS IT'S PRETTY NOMINAL COST SAVINGS.

IT'S IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE REASON THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IT.

WE TRULY DO THINK IT JUST IS GOING TO PROVIDE A BETTER GUEST EXPERIENCE.

OKAY. I WAS THINKING ON THE YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO GET MORE LIGHT IN, I CAN SEE THE CABLE RAILING MAYBE ON THE MIDDLE LEVEL, BUT ON THE BOTTOM LEVEL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT BUYS YOU ANYTHING FROM FROM A LIGHT PERSPECTIVE, I ALMOST THINK, AND THAT IF YOU'RE AT THE MIDDLE LEVEL, I THINK THERE'S LESS IMPACT WITH THE HEADLIGHTS GOING DOWN, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'VE GOT A 20 FOOT, 25 FOOT ELEVATION CHANGE IN THE GRADE.

YEAH. WHEREAS THE LOWER LEVEL, IF YOU DO ALL YOUR, YOUR CONCRETE AS YOU WERE, AT LEAST AT 33IN OR SO, YOU'RE GOING TO, HIDE YOUR HEADLIGHTS FROM THAT AREA.

YEAH. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A THAT'S A FAIR POINT.

THE I WOULD SAY SO THE THE PLAN NOW OPERATIONALLY IS FOR THE FIRST LEVEL DOWN.

SO B1 TO BE SELF-PARK AND THE SECOND LEVEL DOWN TO BE VALET.

SO FOR AS FAR AS A GUEST EXPERIENCE GOES, VALET LAYING DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH CONCERN WITH HAVING THE CABLE RAIL DOWN THERE.

SO. SO JUST TO CORRECT THE FAIRWAY DRIVE IS IS FURTHER OFF.

THIS TO THE EAST IS STILL ROCKLEDGE PARK.

IT KIND OF WRAPS AROUND IT.

YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IS THAT BURM ON THE EDGE OF THE CORE PROPERTY OR IS THAT BY FAIRWAY DRIVE? THE BURM IS IS CLOSER TO FAIRWAY DRIVE.

SO RIGHT OVER THIS BURM KIND OF WHERE THE EAST FACADE OF THE GARAGE IS, IS JUST ROCKLEDGE PARK'S MAINTENANCE AREA.

IT'S NOT PARK GOERS, AND PATRONS WOULDN'T REALLY HAVE ACCESS TO AREA.

IT'S FENCED OFF.

HE'S GOT TROLLEYS AND GOLF CARTS AND JUST ALL HIS MAINTENANCE STUFF IS KIND OF MATERIAL DOWN THERE.

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YEAH, YEAH. AND ROCKLEDGE PARK.

THERE'S NO CAMPING ALLOWED THERE RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, IT'S A GRAPEVINE PARK, SO WE DON'T.

NO OVERNIGHT CAMPING. YEAH.

AND IT DOES CLOSE.

IT CLOSES AT SUNSET EVERY EVERY.

YEAH. BUT THEY DO EVENTS OUT THERE AT NIGHT.

I THINK THEY DO LIKE A 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE GAYLORD. NO, THEY THEY THEY DO IT FROM THERE TOO.

THEY PEOPLE COME IN AND CAMP OUT AND.

OKAY. IT'S OPEN PRETTY LATE.

SO, MR. GRAY, YOU GUYS CAME TO US WITH, REQUESTING THE PARKING GARAGE A WHILE AGO, AND, THERE WAS SOME DELIBERATION, AND IT WAS APPROVED.

AND NOW YOU GUYS ARE COMING BACK ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT, AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

I JUST DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS DRIVING.

WHY THE CHANGE? WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR US TO DO THIS? AGAIN. IF I HAD TO SUM IT UP, IT'S IT'S JUST WE THINK WE THINK THE DESIGN WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, IS JUST GOING TO PROVIDE A BETTER GUEST EXPERIENCE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO VISIT THE RESTAURANTS.

OKAY. GOOD COUNSEL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. GRAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCIL. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT ALL? ALL RIGHT WITH THAT? THE TIME IS 806.

I AM OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

MU 20 3-0003 THERESA.

DO WE HAVE ANY GREEN CARDS FOR ITEM NUMBER K FIVE? WE DO NOT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

SEEING AND HEARING NONE.

THE TIME IS 807 AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.

NOW. I THINK PNC GOT IT RIGHT.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT CORE PROPERTY.

AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW THIS PARKING GARAGE WILL LOOK.

IF IT LOOKS LIKE A PARKING GARAGE AND YOU CAN SEE IT, AND WE DON'T ALLOW CABLE IN ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN BECAUSE IT'S.

IT'S I THINK IT'S A COST CUTTING MEASURE.

I UNDERSTAND IT, I THINK REALTY CAPITAL DOES A GREAT JOB, BUT I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT YOU SEE FROM THEIR PROPERTY IS GOING TO LOOK GREAT.

WHAT YOU SEE OUTSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY IS LESS CONCERNING TO THEM.

SO I DON'T I JUST THINK PNC GOT IT RIGHT.

LEXIN COULD YOU PUT YOUR SLIDE BACK UP WHERE YOU HAD THE TWO DEFINITIONS AND WHAT PNC WAS RECOMMENDING, JUST IN CASE YOU NEED TO REFERENCE THAT DURING A MOTION.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH I AGREE.

PNG HAD IT RIGHT.

THE ONLY CONCERN I DID HAVE IS THAT LIKE THE CONTINUOUS STOP AND GO.

I MEAN COULD WE JUST MAKE IF WE DID A PIPE RAIL, COULD WE JUST MAKE IT CONTINUOUS TO MAKE IT MORE, I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE IT KIND OF STOPS AND THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT FOR IT TO, TO LOOK LIKE THAT AGAIN, THAT, BUT WOULD THE PERCENTAGES ALLOW THEM TO JUST MAKE IT CONTINUOUS THE WHOLE WAY? SO, RIGHT, THE, THE NEW LANGUAGE, IT TOOK OUT ALL THAT PERCENTAGE LANGUAGE.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT STRUCK THROUGH HERE.

SO THAT WAS JUST IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO USE CABLE RAIL, THEN THEY WERE COMMITTING TO NOT USING CABLE RAIL ALL THE WAY ACROSS FOR ANY OF THE LEVELS.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IT'S SHOWN THAT WAY.

BUT THEY COULD, THEY COULD DO THE, THE AGAIN, THEY COULD DO THE HALF WALL WITH THE PIPE RAIL ON TOP ALL THE WAY ACROSS.

THERE'S NOTHING IN THE LANGUAGE THAT PREVENTS THAT.

THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO EITHER DO A SOLID WALL OR THE SHORTER WALL WITH THE PIPE RAIL ON TOP ALL THE WAY ACROSS.

YEAH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST APPROACH, ESPECIALLY WITH ROCKLEDGE PARK KIND OF SURROUNDING IT.

AND IT CONFIRMED LEXIN.

THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN TODAY IS WHAT PNC RECOMMENDED WITH THE 33 AND NINE.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND PRIOR TO TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT HAS SEEN THIS.

AND THIS IS NOT AN ALL OR NOTHING THING.

THEY WERE OKAY IF WE MOVED FORWARD WITH WHAT PNC RECOMMENDED OR WAS IT AN ALL OR NOTHING.

I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK THEM THEIR THEIR FEELINGS ON IT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LIKE, NOT BUILD A PARKING GARAGE NOW, BUT THEY WERE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH THE CHANGE THEY WERE STILL REQUESTING FROM COUNCIL TO APPROVE THEIR ORIGINAL REQUEST.

MR. GRAY. I WANT TO CLARIFY REAL QUICK SO WE WE COULD WE'RE OKAY WITH WITH THE CONCRETE WITH THE RAILING ON TOP.

I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WOULD WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THE CABLE RAIL ON THE TOP, THE TEMPORARY ON THE TOP DECK, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.

OKAY. YEAH.

AND THERE'S ALSO THE 25% ACM.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANY CONCERN.

OKAY. OKAY.

YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE ONCE WE DO THIS, YOU KNOW.

ANY OTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

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MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS K FIVE AS PRESENTED.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THE 25% WITH WITH THE MODIFICATION TO DO 25% ACM SECOND.

THANK YOU. BREN.

I'M SATISFIED IF LEXIN IS SATISFIED.

ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION? THERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER. TAYLOR. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. DREW.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL I.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN I.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL I ITEM FIVE IMU 20 3-0003.

PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX MPA 20 3-0007.

[K.6. MPA23-0007 - Kirkpatrick Lane - Public Hearing to consider a request for a Master Plan Amendment (MPA23-0007 – Kirkpatrick Lane) to amend Section 7.0, Thoroughfare Plan, by changing the designation of Kirkpatrick Lane between Everett Drive and Garden Ridge Boulevard. (Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of Option 3 by a vote of 6 to 0 at its January 22, 2024, meeting. Transportation Commission recommended approval of Option 3 by a vote of 3 to 1 at its November 14, 2023, meeting.)]

STARTING US OFF TONIGHT AS MISTER MATT HOTELLING.

GOOD EVENING SIR.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR. THANK YOU.

THIS AGAIN. THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN CHANGE FOR KIRKPATRICK SOUTH OF FM 1171.

WE'LL GO THROUGH A LOT OF THIS PRETTY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I THINK COUNCIL HAS SEEN A LOT OF THIS BEFORE, SO I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINTS ANY.

BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT LOCATIONS, SOME PREVIOUS PLANS, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF KIRKPATRICK.

THREE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC VOLUMES, OPTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO BOTH TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND THEN ACTION AT THE END.

SO I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE WE'RE AT.

WE'RE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF TOWN, SOUTH OF THE FIRE STATION.

OKAY, GOING BACK IN TIME, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 85 THOROUGHFARE PLAN, KIRKPATRICK WAS ACTUALLY A SIX LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY.

SO EVEN EVEN BIGGER THAN WHAT? IT'S ON THE PLAN TODAY.

BUT IF YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO 407, SO IT HAD SOME LIMITS OF IT THAT WERE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SEE TODAY.

OKAY. IN 2000, IT CHANGED WHERE IT BECAME AN URBAN MINOR ARTERIAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 1171.

SO THAT'S THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY.

AND THEN NORTH OF THERE IT WENT TO AN URBAN COLLECTOR.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT STILL WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO 407.

SO THAT'S THE ONE OF THE CHANGES THEY DID IN 2000.

NOW. THE WAY THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN LOOKS TODAY HAS BEEN THE SAME SINCE 2003, WHERE THE SOUTHERN PART IS AN URBAN MINOR ARTERIAL.

THE TOP PART IS STILL AN URBAN COLLECTOR, BUT ON HERE YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT STOPS AT THE NORTH.

SOUTH PIECE OF IT STOPS AT VALLEY RIDGE.

SO THIS IS WHERE IT BECAME DISCONTINUOUS TO 407.

OKAY. JUST REAL QUICKLY IT DOES THE BENEFITS OF KIRKPATRICK THREE.

IT DOES IT BASICALLY ELIMINATE ALL THAT CUT THROUGH THAT WAS GOING THROUGH THE TIMBER VALLEY NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT DID. IT DOES IMPROVE THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO THIS PART OF TOWN BY SOME.

I LOOKED UP THE I THINK IT WAS THE FIRE ZONE FOR THIS LOCATION.

CENTRAL FIRE STATION DOES SERVE FLOWER MOUND OAKS, SO I THINK THEY WOULD GET THERE QUICKER THAN GOING AROUND THE OUTSIDE.

BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE THAT BENEFIT COMES FROM, IMPROVING NORTH SOUTH.

IT JUST IT GETS YOU THROUGH THIS AREA WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE 1171 AND GARDEN RIDGE GOING EAST TO SOUTH ISN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL BECAUSE THERE'S A RIGHT TURN LANE.

YOU CAN MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN ON RED.

A LOT OF TIMES THE COMPLAINTS I GET, ALTHOUGH IT'S CONTROLLED BY LEWISVILLE, IS THAT NORTHBOUND TO WESTBOUND MOVEMENT.

PRETTIER PROVIDES BETTER ACCESS TO THE TRAIL SYSTEM JUST BECAUSE THAT TRAIL WOULD BE UP ON THE BRIDGE.

YOU COULD STILL PUT THE TRAIL IN, BUT I THINK IT STILL WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF BRIDGE TO GET OVER THE FLOODPLAIN TO MAKE IT ADA COMPLIANT.

SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THERE.

AS WE KNOW IT WAS PART OF THE BOND ELECTION.

AND THEN REALLY, THE POTENTIAL TO REDUCE THOSE QUEUES AT VICTORY IS REALLY ONLY IF LSD REDISTRICT.

IF ANYONE KNOWS THIS LOCATION, THERE'S NO FLOWER MOUND RESIDENTS THAT ACTUALLY GO TO VICKERY.

SO THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES.

I DID ASK KIMLEY-HORN, WHO RUNS OUR OUR MODEL, TO GIVE ME AN IDEA OF IF THIS WAS ACTUALLY PUT IN, WHAT KIND OF VOLUMES WE'D BE LOOKING AT, AND THEY TOLD ME LESS THAN 5000 VEHICLES A DAY.

NOW, OF COURSE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY CHANGE IF LSD REDISTRICT, BUT.

LOOKING AT OUR ANALYTICS CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE THERE AT KIRKPATRICK AND 1171.

THAT'S WHERE I GOT THE ROUGHLY 3100 VEHICLES PER DAY.

IT'S KIND OF FLUCTUATED.

I LOOKED AT IT EARLIER THIS WEEK AND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LESS.

IT WAS LIKE 1500 AND RIGHT AROUND STILL AROUND 1000 TRIPS GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION.

THE POTENTIAL IS STILL ABOUT 1000 TRIPS.

THAT'S KIND OF STILL LOOKING AT THOSE ANALYTICS CAMERAS.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE ON COLLEGE AT MORRIS COLLEGE PARKWAY HANDLES ABOUT 4000 VEHICLES A DAY.

SO THAT'S KIND OF IF YOU WANT AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO THESE WERE THE OPTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO BOTH THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THERE WERE FIVE OPTIONS TOTAL.

FIRST ONE WAS OBVIOUSLY LEAVE IT ALONE.

WE WOULD LIKE GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO DO WITH KIRKPATRICK.

THREE IF THAT WAS CHOSEN.

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OPTION TWO IS SIMILAR TO OPTION ONE, EXCEPT IT REDUCED THE BRIDGE AREA FROM FOUR LANES DOWN TO TWO LANES.

5000 VEHICLES A DAY COULD BE HANDLED BY A TWO LANE ROADWAY THAT HAD NO OTHER ACCESS POINTS, AND IT WAS JUST FREE FLOW SPEED THROUGH THERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT OPTION TWO IS.

SO OPTION THREE IS WHAT ACTUALLY TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BOTH RECOMMENDED.

SO IT IS TO REMOVE THE KIRKPATRICK THREE SECTION COMPLETELY AND TO REDUCE THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE REMAINING PIECES OF KIRKPATRICK FROM EVERETT DOWN TO SPANISH OAK AND FROM BLUE SKY OVER TO GARDEN RIDGE TO AN URBAN COLLECTOR.

SO TAKE IT FROM A FOUR LANE ROADWAY TO A TWO LANE ROADWAY IN THOSE SECTIONS.

OF COURSE, WE WOULD KEEP ALL THE TURN LANES BECAUSE WE NEED TO KEEP ALL THAT, THOSE MOVEMENTS, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE SCHOOL.

WITHOUT THAT CONNECTION, THERE IS A MUCH LESS OF A NEED FOR THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE AT KIRKPATRICK AND GARDEN RIDGE.

SO INITIALLY IT WAS TO REMOVE THE KIRKPATRICK SIGNAL FROM THE CIP.

THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT WOULD NEVER COME BACK.

JUST THESE TWO PROJECTS HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING EACH OTHER, SO THEY REALLY ARE NOT NEEDED IF THE CONNECTION IS NOT MADE.

AND THEN TO REDUCE THE CONFUSION, THAT PIECE OF KIRKPATRICK THAT GOES FROM BLUE SKY TO GARDEN RIDGE, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO RENAME THAT PIECE OF KIRKPATRICK.

SO WE CAN GET RID OF THAT PIECE.

THERE'S TWO EAST WEST PIECES.

THERE'S TWO PIECES BY SCHOOLS SO THAT I MEAN SOMEONE.

ANYWAY. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF WHAT OPTION THREE LOOKS LIKE, THIS IS.

THIS WAS JUST. I THINK YOU SAW THIS IN YOUR PACKET.

IT PUTS THE TWO COLLECTORS ON EITHER SIDE OF WHERE KIRKPATRICK THREE USED TO BE, BUT IT KEEPS THAT FOUR LANE SECTION UP THERE BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

OPTION FOUR WAS THE SAME AS OPTION THREE, EXCEPT OPTION FOUR GOT RID OF THAT FOUR LANE SECTION UP BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT ALSO MADE IT AN URBAN COLLECTOR.

NOW, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THAT LITTLE SLIVER OF URBAN OF MINOR ARTERIAL BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? WHY NOT JUST CHANGE THE WHOLE THING TO URBAN COLLECTOR? I THINK IT WOULD BOTH WORK.

YOU KEEP ALL THE TURN LANES.

IT'S A VERY MUCH MORE COMMERCIAL.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY VOTING TIME, THAT COME IN THERE.

I THINK WE'D HAVE JUST BETTER.

FLOW THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION.

SO OPTION THREE JUST MAINTAINS A HIGHER LEVEL, A HIGHER STANDARD FOR THAT LITTLE PART TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE POLICE STATION, BASICALLY POLICE STATION, THE COMMERCIAL TO THE WEST. IT'S REALLY, REALLY WHAT IT DOES.

SO WE DON'T I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD AN ELECTION THERE FOR A WHILE.

AND I KNOW THAT A POLICE STATION IS KIND OF STILL TO BE DETERMINED WHETHER IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE OR MOVE ON.

DO WE THINK THAT OPTION FOUR JUST MAKE IT ALL THE SAME SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT IS I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT IF IT ENDS UP BEING A PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD.

NO, I THINK THEY I THINK THEY I THINK EITHER ONE WILL WORK.

I THINK AS LONG AS YOU KEEP THE LEFT TURNS AND RIGHT TURNS.

YEAH. ESPECIALLY GOING NORTHBOUND.

I THINK EITHER ONE OF THEM. OKAY.

THANK YOU. AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THAT THERE'S A STUB OUT ON ORION COURT THAT WAS GOING TO CONNECT TO KIRKPATRICK.

THREE. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT BOTH THE TRANSPORTATION AND PLANNING AND ZONING DID SAY THAT GETTING RID OF THAT CONNECTIONS, IT WAS WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED SINCE IT'S NO LONGER NEEDED.

ALTHOUGH THERE'S BEEN NO FUNDING OR PROJECT IDENTIFIED, I THINK IT WOULD JUST HAPPEN WHENEVER THE ANYTHING HAPPENED TO ORION COURT.

I KNOW SOME QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP IN THE PAST.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF ESPECIALLY IN THAT MIDDLE PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT KIND OF CONNECTS THERE TO THE SOUTH.

AND RIGHT NOW IT'S A GATE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR A TO MOVE TO APPROVE AND A CERTAIN OPTION.

LIKE I SAID, OPTION THREE IS WHAT TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD RECOMMENDED.

SO THEN IF.

IF THERE IS ANYTHING ON IF YOU WANT TO KEEP 1 OR 2, WE'D LIKE GUIDANCE ON THOSE.

I HAVE A QUESTION. COULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, PLEASE? SO THAT LITTLE STUB OUT.

IS IT HURTING ANYTHING BEING THERE JUST AS IS? NO, I JUST THINK WHEN WHENEVER THE STREET GETS RECONSTRUCTED, WE'LL JUST GET RID OF IT INSTEAD OF SO AT THAT TIME.

SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE NOW AND THEN.

THIS MIGHT BE KIND OF RIDICULOUS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.

SO IN REDESIGNATING THAT SMALL PART OF KIRKPATRICK SOUTH OF WHERE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY CONSTRUCTION.

YOU'RE JUST CALLING IT A DIFFERENT THING.

CORRECT? WE WOULD CALL IT A DIFFERENT THING, AND ONLY AT SUCH TIME THAT THE STREET NEEDED TO BE RECONSTRUCTED.

YOU COULD YOU COULD BREAK IT DOWN TO TWO LANES IF NOTHING WANTED TO BECAUSE.

I JUST DON'T THINK, WELL, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SPEND ANY MONEY DOING THAT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED NOW.

SO I JUST WANT TO. NO, NO, I THINK I THINK IT WOULD ONLY HAPPEN WHENEVER ANY TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION RECONSTRUCTION.

OKAY. YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

NO, I AGREE WITH YOU. THANK YOU, I AGREE.

COUNCIL ANYBODY ELSE? DO YOU HAVE MORE SLIDES, SIR? THAT'S IT. OKAY. COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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SO, MATT, CAN YOU, JUST REMIND ME? JAMES. TIFFANY.

THERE WAS, I THINK IT WAS TRIP 22.

AND THEN THERE WAS A COUPLE OF VOTES AND THINGS GOT APPROVED BECAUSE WE WERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT VOTING EARLIER TONIGHT.

RIGHT. AND AND PUTTING THINGS ON A BALLOT.

AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ATTENDANCE CENTER AND AND THEY SAID NO.

AND WE HAVEN'T BUILT ONE AND, AND I JUST RECALL THAT THIS WAS ON A BALLOT A COUPLE OF TIMES AND IT WAS APPROVED.

AND THEN NOT ONLY THAT, THE THE COUNTY ALSO PUT SOME MONEY IN A BOND OR SOMETHING.

RIGHT. THAT WAS ALSO APPROVED.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE COUNTY TREASURER COME KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR OR ANYTHING.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO TONIGHT AND WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE, WE'RE NOT.

PUTTING THE TOWN AT RISK IS ALL.

THERE'S NO VOTING ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BUT DENTON COUNTY BOND DID APPROVE IT TWICE IN BOND ELECTIONS.

SO WITH THE MOST RECENT ONE, THEY APPROVED ALL OF THE FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT.

SO IT IS IN THE CURRENT BOND PROGRAM WITH THE COUNTY.

WE WOULD WE WOULD LOSE THAT FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT AND IT WOULD FALL ON STAFF TO WORK WITH DENTON COUNTY TO SEE IF WE COULD GET SOME OF THAT FUNDING ALLOCATED TO OTHER PROJECTS WITHIN THE TOWN.

THE ONE I WOULD PROPOSE IS TO MOVE MORE DENTON COUNTY FUNDING OVER TO LAKESIDE.

THE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE DOING IN LAKESIDE, THEY'RE IN THE SAME PRECINCT.

SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, BUT HAVEN'T DONE THAT BECAUSE I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTED TO GO.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT WAS APPROVED WITH A LONG LIST OF PROJECTS, RIGHT? CORRECT. IN THE COUNTY, MANY PROJECTS, AND THEY'RE STARTING TO KICK OFF.

WE'VE STARTED LAKESIDE CAPACITY DESIGN.

SO ALL OF THOSE ARE STARTING.

SO THE COUNTY FUNDING IS STARTING TO BE ALLOCATED.

BUT OF COURSE, IF WE REMOVE THE PROJECT, WE'D START WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND LOOKING AT OTHER PLACES.

IT IS QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET ALL OF IT FROM THE COUNTY, BUT I WOULD HOPE AT LEAST, WHAT WE NEED FOR THE OTHER PROJECT IN PRECINCT THREE, THAT'S PART OF THAT BOND PROGRAM. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY WITH THAT? THE TIME IS 822, AND I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT OR ITEM NUMBER SIX.

SORRY. MPA 23 0007.

SO I DO HAVE, NINE SPEAKING CARDS, SOME IN OPPOSITION, SOME IN SUPPORT.

SO WE'LL HEAR FROM EVERYBODY IN A MOMENT ON THOSE.

ALSO WHICH WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.

I DO HAVE 21 IN OPPOSITION NON-SPEAKING CARDS, AND THOSE WILL GO IN THE MINUTES.

WAS EVERYONE HERE IN THE BEGINNING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, OR DO I NEED TO READ ALL THOSE INSTRUCTIONS AGAIN? OKAY. SO BASICALLY WE CAN'T INTERACT.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

NAME AND ADDRESS.

ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.

MISS ELEANOR JOHNSON.

GOOD EVENING, MA'AM.

HI. GOOD EVENING, I'M ELENA JOHNSON.

I LIVE AT 1314 BLAIR WOOD AND FLOWER MOUND FOR OVER 22 YEARS.

I WOULD ASK, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CHECKED THE LITTLE BOX CORRECTLY ON THE THING.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OPTION THREE OF REMOVING KIRKPATRICK THREE FROM THE MASTER PLAN, AS TRANSPORTATION AND PLANNING AND ZONING HAVE AGREED AS WELL.

I'VE BEEN TO ALL FOUR OF THESE MEETINGS NOW, SO I THINK I KNOW MY SPIEL BY HEART, BUT HERE IT GOES.

I DON'T WANT THAT BRIDGE TO BE BUILT, BECAUSE IT IS AN EXPENSE THAT IS NO LONGER NEEDED.

A CENTURY AGO, WHEN IT WAS NECESSARY, THAT WAS GOING TO BE A SIX LANE ROAD.

THAT BRIDGE MADE A LOT OF SENSE, BUT A LOT HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAST 40 YEARS.

AND THAT ROAD IS NO LONGER A SIX LANE ROAD.

ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND POPULATION IS MOVING WEST, AS YOU KNOW.

SO THIS LITTLE TINY BRIDGE ISN'T GOING TO SERVE THAT MANY PEOPLE, FOR THE EXPENSE.

IT'S ALSO GOING TO CUT THROUGH A BEAUTIFUL SECTION OF GREENERY AND WILDLIFE THAT'S OVER THERE.

IT'S QUITE A LITTLE HIDDEN GEM, AND IT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A PARK IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE IT IS ON THE PINK PRIMROSE TRAIL.

I LIVE IN RUSTIC TIMBERS WHERE THAT TRAIL IS, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL FOLLOW SUIT WITH TRANSPORTATION AND WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AND ADOPT OPTION THREE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU MA'AM.

NEXT WILL BE SAM PASCAL.

I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF I DON'T GET YOUR NAMES RIGHT.

NO, THAT'S FINE, THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS SAM PASCAL.

1333 RIVER OAKS DRIVE.

I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL AND ALL THE MEMBERS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE I SEE HERE, AS WELL AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING.

THE COUNCIL AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE HEARD THE PUBLIC, AND I'M JUST ONE OF THEM.

I LIVE, IN A IN A HOUSE THAT IS RIGHT AGAINST RIVER OAKS.

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IT'S THE CUL DE SAC RIGHT WHERE THE BRIDGE WILL GO, RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE.

AND WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, I HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS BRIDGE WAS PLANNED.

AND IT SHOCKED ME WHEN I FOUND OUT.

AND SO IT WAS A.

WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT WE COULD HAVE A VOICE IN THE CITY TO TO TO OPPOSE THIS BRIDGE, I SAID, WELL, OF COURSE I'M OPPOSED TO THIS THING.

SO THIS OPTION THREE, I'M SAYING YES, PLEASE REMOVE THIS THING FROM THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE MASTER PLAN.

AND, AND I LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF IT AND WE'VE SEEN THE BENEFITS AND IT'S JUST THERE'S A COST TO BENEFIT RATIO.

IT'S A PRETTY ANTIQUATED PLAN.

IT'S IT'S NOT CURRENT.

IT'S NOT RELEVANT.

THE CITY GROWTH HAS MOVED ELSEWHERE.

AND THERE IS A HUGE PUBLIC, SUPPORT FOR OPTION THREE.

AND I'VE BEEN I WAS HERE IN JUNE.

I WAS HERE THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, I WAS HERE IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING.

AND I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE, I FEEL THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC.

AND SO WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IT'S A BIG, BIG THANK YOU FOR IT.

AND SO I JUST HOPE THAT THIS GETS REMOVED AND JUST ESTHETICALLY THERE IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL.

I WISH THE PUBLIC, ALL OF FLOWER MOUND COULD ENJOY WHAT I ENJOY EVERY DAY.

I HEAR THE STREAM RIGHT NOW.

I CAN HEAR IT. IT FLOWS.

I CAN HEAR IT INSIDE MY HOUSE.

I CAN HEAR THE STREAM BEHIND MY HOUSE.

THERE'S TWO BEAUTIFUL WATERFALLS, ONE ABOUT A FOUR FOOT WATERFALL, ANOTHER ABOUT SIX FOOT WATERFALL RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE.

AND THE WILDLIFE THAT'S THERE.

AND IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL JEWEL WITHIN THE CITY OF FLOWER MOUND.

AND I JUST HATE TO SEE IT DESTROYED.

AND THIS, THIS, THIS KIRKPATRICK EXPANSION WOULD DESTROY THAT, THAT.

AND SO I JUST THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND I APPRECIATE WHATEVER DECISION YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, SIR.

THERESA. JUST FOR THE RECORD, HE MARKED HIS CARD IN SUPPORT.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MARK OPPOSITION AND INITIAL THAT.

YES. THANK YOU.

WELL, JUST TO BE CLEAR, ARE THEY OPPOSING THE AMENDMENT OR ARE THEY OPPOSING? BECAUSE WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE.

I THINK WHAT YOU'LL HEAR A LOT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE OPPOSED TO KIRKPATRICK THREE BRIDGE, BUT ARE IN FAVOR OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN BEING CHANGED.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL HEAR A LOT.

THE MINUTES WILL REFLECT SUPPORT, BUT WITH OPTION THREE.

OKAY. SO SUPPORT NUMBER THREE.

I CHANGED IT.

THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

I WAS CONFUSED AS WELL.

NEXT WILL BE ERICA MULDAUR.

MALDEK. ERICA.

SORRY I NEVER GET YOUR NAME RIGHT.

IT'S A THING. NO PROBLEM.

ERICA MULDER, 38, OH FOUR OAK PARK DRIVE AND FLOWER MOUND.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M HERE TONIGHT.

ALSO TO CLARIFY, I AM SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER PLAN TO REMOVE KIRKPATRICK.

FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

I KNOW WE WERE BACK HERE IN JUNE.

YOU HAD GREAT QUESTIONS, FEEDBACK, WHICH REALLY SPURRED A LOT OF ACTION AND RESEARCH.

AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE TWO COMMISSIONS WHO ALSO SUPPORTED THE EFFORT TO REMOVE THIS, REMOVE KIRKPATRICK FROM THE MASTER PLAN.

AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE HERE AGAIN TONIGHT.

AND THEY ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, HAVING ATTENDED ALL OF THESE PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

AND YOU'LL HEAR FROM THEM AGAIN.

AND I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TWO, TWO ITEMS, WHICH AGAIN, I'M SURE YOU'LL HEAR REITERATED.

REALLY SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE.

SO I HAVE A YOUNG FAMILY.

WE FREQUENTLY USE THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND CROSS KIRKPATRICK I WOULD ARGUE ALMOST DAILY.

AND SO FOR US TO NOT HAVE THAT ACCESSIBILITY THAT IT'S SAFE WOULD BE A MAJOR ISSUE FOR US.

SO THAT'S ONE OF MY PRIMARY CONCERNS.

AND SECONDARY, I JUST WANT TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IS OBVIOUSLY AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF WHAT WE DO HERE AT THE TOWN.

SO WHILE THE DOLLARS ARE AVAILABLE, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND THEM.

AND I THINK THE OTHER ELEMENT OF THAT IS SO THE DOLLARS ARE ALLOCATED TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUILD.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE? IT'LL IT'LL ULTIMATELY BE ON THE CITY TO MAINTAIN.

SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING TO ALSO KEEP IN MIND, AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE AND AND BUILD OF THE STOPLIGHT.

SO AS THAT BEING AN ELEMENT OF THE MASTER PLAN TO ADD THAT STOPLIGHT.

SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO PLEASE REMOVE THIS FROM THE MASTER PLAN.

AND AGAIN, APPRECIATE ALL YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT AND QUESTIONS ON THE ITEM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS MULDER.

MOVING ON TO.

MISS MARIE MICHELLE JACKSON.

GOOD EVENING. I'M MARIE MICHELLE JACKSON.

I LIVE AT 3820 OAK PARK DRIVE AND FLOWER MOUND, TEXAS.

AND I'M HERE WITH MY NEIGHBORS.

I SERVE ON THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION.

I'M IN THE CITIZENS ACADEMY RIGHT NOW.

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AND WHAT I FIND TO BE INTERESTING AS I'M LEARNING MORE AND MORE, I SHOULD SAY I'M HERE AS A CITIZEN TONIGHT, THOUGH, FOR THIS ISSUE.

WHAT I FIND TO BE INTERESTING ABOUT THIS SITUATION IS I'M LEARNING SO MUCH FROM BEING IN THE CITIZENS ACADEMY AND EVERYTHING, AND FREQUENTLY WHAT OUR TOWN COUNCIL AND MAYOR ARE CONSIDERING ARE BIG EXPENDITURES IN BUILDING THINGS AND SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON THINGS.

IN THIS SITUATION, OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE KIND OF COME AND ASKED YOU NOT TO SPEND MONEY AND NOT TO BUILD SOMETHING, WHICH IS KIND OF AN INTERESTING POSITION FOR ALL OF US TO BE CONSIDERING. AND IT'S REALLY BROUGHT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TOGETHER.

WE'VE HAD SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET WITH EACH OTHER, TALK WITH EACH OTHER, COME TO A CONSENSUS ABOUT HOW MUCH WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW MUCH ALL OF US ARE INVESTED IN STAYING IN THE TOWN, RAISING OUR KIDS HERE, USING OUR BEAUTIFUL PARKS AND REC THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, ALL THE AMENITIES.

AND WE'VE I'VE JUST HEARD THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO STAY.

WE'RE LIFERS.

WE'RE NOT LEAVING.

WE LOVE THE COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO MAKE THIS COMMUNITY GREAT.

AND SO, THAT'S WHAT I REALLY HAVE FOUND HIGHLIGHTED THROUGH THIS EXPERIENCE.

AND THEN THE, AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS THROUGH THE COUNTY IS ALSO AN INTERESTING THING THAT WE'RE ALL KIND OF GOING THROUGH, BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THOSE FUNDS IN AN AREA THAT ACTUALLY HAS MORE TRAFFIC, HAS MORE INFRASTRUCTURE NEED, HAS MORE BUSINESS GOING ON, IS MORE BUSY THAN WHERE WE ARE.

SO I JUST THINK IT'S KIND OF A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S SMARTER AND MAYBE MORE DESIRED BY EVERYBODY.

IN ANOTHER PART OF TOWN WHERE THIS IS NOT DESIRED BY ANYBODY IN THIS PART OF TOWN.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER OPTION THREE, AS A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS JACKSON.

NEXT, WE'LL HAVE DONNA ARMSTRONG.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DONNA ARMSTRONG.

I LIVE AT 3005 16 GOLDEN ASPEN DRIVE IN FLOWER MOUND.

I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION ON THOSE VOTES.

THE OTHER WAY BECAUSE IT'S CHANGED OVER THE LAST FEW MEETINGS.

BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT IN 1997, WHEN THE KIRKPATRICK THREE EXTENSION WAS PROPOSED, THERE WAS GOING THEY WERE PROPOSING THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE HEAVY TRAFFIC DUE TO RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL STORES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WELL, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE INSTEAD THEY PUT IN THE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY ON THE WEST SIDE.

ON THE EAST IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

SO THREE DECADES LATER, THE TRAFFIC PATTERN HAS NOT INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY.

I FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE FRIVOLOUS TO THROW FUNDS AT A PLAN THAT IS VERY OUTDATED AND COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE MONEY'S IN OUR POCKET. DOES IT MAKE SENSE? THE KIRKPATRICK THREE EXTENSION WOULD BE DESTROYING COUNTLESS TREES ALREADY WHEN THEY CAME IN AND PUT SEWAGE SEWAGE LINES IN THE GREENBELT THEY'VE ALREADY TAKEN OUT.

MORE THAN ENOUGH TREES THAT WERE NEVER REPLACED BECAUSE THEY WERE PLANNING ON THAT ROAD TO COME THROUGH THERE.

IT WOULD ALSO DESTROY BEAUTIFUL GREEN AREAS.

AFFECT OUR WALKING TRAILS, OUR JOGGING TRAILS, BIKING AND NUMEROUS BEAUTIFUL WILDLIFE WOULD BE DISPLACED IF YOU PUT THAT ROAD THROUGH THAT AREA.

I THINK WE HAVE.

THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THESE RESOURCES FOR MORE THINGS THAT ARE PLANNED.

REPAIRING ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE, OR EVEN JUST BEAUTIFYING OUR FLOWER MOUND.

I SUPPORT OPTION THREE.

TO REMOVE KIRKPATRICK THREE EXTENSION FROM THE MASTER PLAN.

WE'VE ALREADY COME THROUGH.

TO SEE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL.

ZONING AND PLANNING AND THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION, AND THEY WERE IN AGREEMENTS WITH US.

AND IN THE BEGINNING, I THINK Y'ALL WERE TOO.

SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN COUNT ON YOUR VOTE TONIGHT TO KEEP FLOWER MOUND SAFE AND BEAUTIFUL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ARMSTRONG.

LEONARD KAY.

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I'M SORRY. I CAN'T READ YOUR LAST NAME.

THAT'S OKAY. MY NAME IS LEONARD CORBETT.

3512 GOLDEN ASPEN DRIVE, FLOWER MOUND.

I'VE LIVED HERE 20 YEARS.

JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS SHORT.

ENJOY THE GREENBELT.

BUT HERE WERE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLAN THAT WAS DEVELOPED 20, 30 YEARS AGO.

IT'S BEEN CHANGED A COUPLE, THREE TIMES.

IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN GOTTEN RID OF TEN, 15 YEARS AGO, BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SO I THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO GET RID OF IT.

I ATTENDED A COUNCIL MEETING AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, A COUPLE, THREE MONTHS.

WHERE THE EXTENSION WAS DISCUSSED AND, THE TRANSFER.

EXCUSE ME. THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, RECOMMENDED OPTION NUMBER THREE AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDED NUMBER THREE.

THE MEETINGS I ATTENDED, SEVERAL RESIDENTS SPOKE.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY SPEAK IN FAVOR OF IT.

EVERYBODY WAS AGAINST IT.

I PERSONALLY AM IN FAVOR OF OPTION THREE.

I THINK THAT THE WHOLE THING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A DEAD ISSUE AND GOTTEN RID OF SO THAT THE THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT ANYMORE. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

NEXT WILL BE MISS BETH SUDBURY.

SOMEONE LEFT THEIR GLASSES HERE.

THERE YOU GO. I, BETH SODERBERG, 3100 WACO ROAD.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL.

I THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.

27 PLUS YEARS AGO, WE HAD PAYPHONES ON ALMOST EVERY CORNER.

WE USED PAPER MAPS.

WE USED ENCYCLOPEDIAS INSTEAD OF WIKIPEDIA.

CARS CAME WITH CIGARET LIGHTERS.

ALL THIS MADE SENSE 27 YEARS AGO, BUT NOT TODAY.

KIRKPATRICK EXTENSION MADE SENSE 27 YEARS AGO, BUT NOT TODAY.

SO PLEASE, I ASK YOU TO APPROVE OPTION THREE FOR THE SAFETY AND FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS SÖDERBERG.

NEXT UP WILL BE HEATH KENDRICK.

THE EVENING. COUNCIL HEATH KENDRICK 4320 HILLSHIRE COURT HERE IN FLOWER MOUND.

I'VE HEARD IT'S GOING TO REDUCE PROPERTY VALUES.

I'VE HEARD IT'S GOING TO DAMAGE WILDLIFE AND KILL THE INVESTMENT WE HAVE IN PARKS AND RECREATION.

AND OH LORD, THINK OF THE CHILDREN OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THAT IT'S NEXT DOOR.

THINK OF THE WILDLIFE THAT'S GOING TO BE USING THIS AREA, AND THE DANGER THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO CROSS THIS STREET.

THIS ALL SOUNDS VERY FAMILIAR TO FOUR YEARS AGO.

MANY OF YOU WERE HERE FOUR YEARS AGO.

THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT EXTENDING WINDSOR DRIVE TO WEST WINDSOR DRIVE AND OH, THE RAMIFICATIONS THAT WOULD HAVE AND OH, THE HEARTACHE IT WOULD CAUSE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE EARLY 80S.

AND AT THE TIME I CAME AND I SPOKE AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ONE BIT.

I BELIEVE IN PUBLIC SAFETY, SAFETY, HEALTH AND WELFARE.

I BELIEVE IN EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIMES.

I THINK OF QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND THE INVESTMENT THIS TOWN MAKES IS MORE THAN JUST DOLLARS.

IT'S ON THE FUTURE.

THAT CONNECTION WAS MADE FOUR YEARS AGO.

AND I CAN SAY TO A PERSON, TO MY NEIGHBORS, BEST DECISION THIS COUNCIL MADE AT THAT TIME, MAKING THAT CONNECTION IMPROVED.

OUR QUALITY OF LIFE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT ROAD HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WALKABILITY, BIKEABILITY CONNECTIVITY TO OUR NEIGHBORS, ACCESS TO THIS TOWN.

I CAN ACCESS PARTS OF THE GREENWAY THAT I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO BECAUSE YOU INVESTED.

AND I'M ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE THAT RARELY DO I GET TO SAY HONOR THE MASTER PLAN, BUT HERE I AM.

I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT OPTION ONE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

AND I THINK AS A COUNCIL, YOU'RE LOOKING LONG TERM AT THE INVESTMENT IN THIS TOWN, AND I KNOW YOU'LL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

NEXT IS STEVE CARPENTER.

I AM STEVE CARPENTER.

[02:40:02]

I HAVE LIVED AT 3812 OAK PARK DRIVE, FLOWER MOUND FOR 25 YEARS.

THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME I HAVE STOOD AT THIS PODIUM IN THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS.

EACH TIME I HAVE BEEN AND STILL AM AGAINST THE KIRKPATRICK THREE EXTENSION.

I WAS PREPARED TO GIVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES, TALK ABOUT ALL THE OBJECTIONS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART THEY'VE BEEN PRESENTED AND THOSE THAT FOLLOW ME WILL PRESENT MAYBE A FEW MORE. SO LET'S JUST SAY THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS OBJECTIONS RAISED BY THOSE MOST AFFECTED ALONG THIS SECTION OF KIRKPATRICK, AND THESE HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY PRESENTED TO THIS TOWN COUNCIL, THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

I HOPE THAT THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT PRESENTED TONIGHT ENDS THE KIRKPATRICK PHASE THREE EXTENSION.

I AM FOR OPTION THREE.

I DIDN'T WRITE THIS DOWN, BUT I DID DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ABOUT SOME PROPERTY SOUTH ON THE SOUTH PART OF THIS, EXTENSION TO 20 ACRE TRACTS THERE.

AND A DEVELOPER WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU BUILD THAT BRIDGE AND RUN A RAMP DOWN THERE AND CHANGE SOME ROADS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SCHOOL.

AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FLOODPLAIN IN THE WRITE UP FOR THE REAL ESTATE, IT TALKED ABOUT THE, OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD LUXURY APARTMENTS AND HOUSES IN THAT AREA.

SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS THINKING THAT THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THIS LATEST DEVELOPMENT, THE PUSH TO DO THIS, IS COMING FROM.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

THERE'S BEEN A BULLDOZER ACTIVITY BACK IN THERE.

YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE AIR.

SATELLITES GO OVER.

I LOOK AT THEM.

THERE'S BEEN SOME WORK BACK THERE.

SO I WAS THINKING THAT THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE REASONS THIS IS BEING PUSHED AT THIS TIME, DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT WILL RUIN THE QUIET SERENITY LIFE THAT THREE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE IN THERE, ALONG WITH THAT RETIREMENT CENTER.

AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT GREEN BELT.

THE INDIVIDUAL THAT TALKED ABOUT MAKING LIGHT OF THE SAFETY FACTORS.

A LOT OF US WALK ACROSS THOSE FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC TO GET TO THE PINK EVENING PRIMROSE TRAIL.

RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT TOO BAD BECAUSE IT ENDS RIGHT THERE AND WE WALK OUR DOGS OVER THERE.

NOW, A LITTLE FURTHER UP, IF YOU TRY AND WALK ACROSS THE STREET AND GOING TO THE, OLD FOLKS HOME.

AND I'LL JUST PUT IT THAT WAY, BECAUSE I'M AN OLD FOLK, IT'S A LITTLE MORE TRICKY BECAUSE CARS ARE COMING THROUGH THERE, AND I'VE HAD TO YANK ON MY DOG'S COLLAR AND MAKE HIM STOP WHILE TRAFFIC CAME THROUGH.

AND THERE IS NOT, WHATEVER THEY SAID 3500 CARS A DAY COMING THROUGH AT THAT SOUTH END STOOD OUT THERE AND COUNTED.

IT'S LESS THAN A THOUSAND NOW, THAT'S AN OBSERVATION.

I'VE DRIVEN THAT FULL LENGTH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY CAME UP WITH THAT 3500 TRAFFIC RUNNING THROUGH THAT AREA DOWN THERE.

IT IS NOT BY OBSERVATION ON MY PART.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

SO BRENNAN'S A POINT OF ORDER.

I HAVE THREE WHITE CARDS THAT, ARE NON-SPEAKING CARDS THAT THEY'VE MARKED OPPOSITION.

I'M GOING TO CALL THE THEIR RESIDENTS NAMES TO SEE IF THEY'RE HERE TO CONFIRM FOR THE RECORD WHETHER THEY'RE SUPPORTING THE CHANGE OR OPPOSING THE CHANGE.

ABSOLUTELY. IT MAKES SENSE.

STEVEN NORTHROP, ARE YOU IN THE AUDIENCE? ARE YOU SUPPORTING THE CHANGE OR OPPOSING THE CHANGE? NIKOLA SETTING.

YOU'RE GOING TO COME NEED TO INITIAL THAT.

I'M JUST KIDDING. MISS COLLINS IS NOT HERE, I DON'T BELIEVE, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

BUT I'M SURE SHE WAS SUPPORTING THE CHANGE.

ALL RIGHT. SO THEN ACTUALLY, I WOULD HAVE HAD 21 NON-SPEAKING CARDS SUPPORTING THE CHANGE, SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR GETTING THAT WRONG EARLIER.

WITH THAT THERESA, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE GREEN COMMENT CARDS? YOU'RE NOT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

SIR, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM ONCE AGAIN.

IF YOU COULD FILL OUT A GREEN COMMENT CARD.

SCOTT LANGLEY, 800 CARTER COURT.

AND THANK YOU, MAYOR FRANCE.

I SEE YOU ON YOUR WEBSITE.

YOU'VE GOT A STRATEGIC PLAN.

AND I COULD NOT FIND IT ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE, BUT I'M PROBABLY JUST NOT THAT GOOD AT FINDING THINGS.

SO ANYWAY, WENT TO YOUR WEBSITE AND I SEE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO TREE PRESERVATION AND PARK OPPORTUNITIES.

SO I'LL NEVER MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO PUSH A PARKS AGENDA.

AND I THINK IF WE DO OPTION THREE AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD WE CAN EXPAND THE PARK.

I THINK IT'S RUSTIC TIMBERS PARK AND THE TRAILS.

THAT'S ONE OPTION.

[02:45:01]

ANOTHER OPTION IS TO TO DO SOME SIMPLE THINGS LIKE SOME BOARDWALKS.

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO YELLOWSTONE PARK? AND YOU GO UP TO OLD FAITHFUL AND IT'S HIGHLY ACIDIC GEYSER AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE BOILING POTS EVERYWHERE, BUT THEY HAVE THESE BOARDWALKS THAT THEY, THAT THEY, THAT THEY HAVE TO WHERE YOU HAVE THESE OBSERVATION DECKS AND YOU CAN WALK AROUND AND STUFF.

AND IF WE CAN DO THAT WHERE WE HAVE HIGHLY ACIDIC BOILING POTS AND GEYSERS AND STUFF, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN A FLOODPLAIN, CAN FIGURE IT OUT AND WE CAN MAKE IT.

ADA AND IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WE CAN MAKE IT A CONSERVATION AREA.

WE DON'T. WE COULD. THERE WAS ONE PERSON, A RESIDENT THAT LIVES IN THE AREA.

SHE'S LIKE, LEAVE IT ALONE, YOU KNOW, DON'T DON'T DO ANYTHING TO IT.

AND THAT'S AN OPTION TOO.

SO JUST THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS OUT IN THE NOT SO NEAR FUTURE THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS AREA.

AND I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT A SPECIAL PLACE.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, EXPAND OUR, OUR PARK AND OPEN SPACE AND OUR TRAILS.

SO LET'S DO SOMETHING BIG AND BOLD AND BEAUTIFUL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SIR. CHIEF HANLEY'S GOT A GREEN COMMENT CARD FOR YOU, MISS.

TOP OF SERVICE, TOP SHELF.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

YES, SIR. IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, PLEASE FILL OUT A GREEN COMMENT CARD AT THE CONCLUSION.

HEY. SO, BEN MCLAIN, 1600 COLONY STREET.

MY WIFE AND MY KIDS AND I, WE USE THAT PRIMROSE TRAIL ALL THE TIME, AND WE LOVE THE GREENERY EVERYWHERE NEAR IT.

THE OTHER DAY, LITERALLY THIS WEEK, WE SAW A SKUNK.

IT WAS SO COOL.

AND SO I'D MUCH RATHER SEE A SKUNK THAN A BRIDGE, SO I'D LIKE TO PUT MY NAME ON THE PILE FOR OPTION THREE.

THANK YOU SIR. ONCE AGAIN, CHIEF HENLEY HAS YOUR CARD FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE LEFT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

SEEING AND HEARING NONE.

THE TIME IS 847 AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.

MATT, A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.

MR. CARPENTER MENTIONED THE 3500 ESTIMATED TRAFFIC.

THAT'S IF THE BRIDGE IS BUILT.

CORRECT. THAT IS UP NORTH, NORTH OF EVERETT BETWEEN EVERETT AND 1171.

OKAY. DOWN SOUTH OF EVERETT.

I'M SURE IT'S PROBABLY OKAY.

SO YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT UP BY THE POLICE STATION IN THAT AREA.

OKAY. THAT THAT'S I WAS ASSUMING IT WAS IF THE BRIDGE WAS BUILT AND, AND THAT 3500 IS APPROXIMATELY WHAT COLLEGE SEES IN THE AREA OF MORSE.

A LITTLE BIT LESS.

OKAY. PROBABLY NOT.

SOMEWHERE YOU'D LET YOUR KIDS PLAY IN THE STREET ON COLLEGE, I WOULDN'T THINK.

OKAY. THANK YOU MATT.

I MAY HAVE MISSED IT IN THE 500 PAGES, BUT SO DOES THE TOWN CURRENTLY OWN THIS PROPERTY AS PART OF A RIGHT OF WAY? IS THE PART OF THE ALL THIS GOING ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS? SO WE OWN IT AND WE HAVE IT, AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING COOL WITH IT, OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY IT AND THEN DO SOMETHING COOL WITH IT.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE HEARD SOME REALLY GOOD OPTIONS.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW.

I MEAN, IS THAT IS THAT POSSIBLE? THERE ARE PORTIONS THAT WE DO OWN THAT ARE RIGHT AWAY.

SO THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS ACQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT.

SO WE DO HAVE PLACES WHERE WE DO HAVE RIGHT OF WAY OUT THERE.

IF THE PROJECT WAS TO GO AWAY, WE WOULD LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE MAKING THE TRAILS CONNECTION STILL.

AND IT DOES REQUIRE A BRIDGE.

BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD DO, WHICH THE BRIDGE WOULD HAVE ACCOMMODATED, THAT WE WOULD HAVE USED BRIDGE DECK TO MAKE THE TRAIL CONNECTION.

BUT WE WOULD LOOK AT DOING THAT THROUGH THAT AREA FOR SURE.

IF THE PROJECT. PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.

CORRECT. YEAH.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. SO FOR, TOMMY OR TIFFANY, ONE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED, SOME REAL ESTATE ADVERTISEMENT FOR, THE, THE NEARBY PROPERTY AND SO FORTH.

SO WE HAVE NO APPLICATIONS FOR ANY SORT OF, PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA, NOR IS IT, PLANNED TO BE, APARTMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE.

SO THAT WAS WE DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORY OF THAT AT ALL.

WHEN YOU SAY WITHIN THE AREA, WITHIN THE AREA OF WHERE THE ROAD WAS CONTEMPLATED.

CORRECT. OR THE GENERAL AREA OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED LISD, 22 ACRES DOWN OFF OF WACO ROAD. NOT THAT.

NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. NOT WITHIN WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF KIRKPATRICK WHERE THE BRIDGE CONNECTION WAS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE THAT'S EITHER FLOODPLAIN OR TOWN RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY.

SORRY, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, ONE QUICK COMMENT FROM MR. LANGLEY. THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS ON THE TOWN COUNCIL PAGE OF FLOWER MOUND.

[02:50:01]

COM ALTHOUGH GETTING IT FROM THE MAYOR'S WEBSITE IS ALSO FINE.

I LINKED TO IT.

I THINK YOU WERE SAYING MY LINK TO IT WAS EASIER TO FIND, BUT AT ANY RATE.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

HOLD ON. OH, SORRY.

IS THERE MORE DELIBERATION? WELL, NO, THERE'S A LITTLE DISCUSSION.

SO, MR. KENDRICK BROUGHT UP AN, ANOTHER, CONNECTION.

ANOTHER LINK THAT WE, EXCUSE ME, I APPROVED, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME.

BACK FOUR YEARS AGO.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND WE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS ON THAT.

AND, GENERALLY THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO THAT ALL THE TIME, AND THE SKY WAS GOING TO FALL AND IT WAS GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM, AND IT WAS BASICALLY PROPOSED TO FIX A PROBLEM, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS TODAY IN FRONT OF VICKERY.

AT SCHOOL TIME, IT'S A MESS BECAUSE YOU GOT TO YOU GOT TO BASICALLY A SCHOOL THAT'S BUILT, AT THE END OF A ROAD THAT DEAD ENDS RIGHT THERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE SAME THING HAPPENED THE WAY IT KIND OF WAS AT FLOWER MOUND ELEMENTARY, WHERE IT WAS BUILT AT THE CORNER OF WINDSOR AND CHURCHILL.

AND YOU HAD ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, KIND OF IN THAT PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND IT IT WAS A NIGHTMARE.

AND THEN FOUR YEARS AGO, IT WAS PROPOSED THAT WE CONNECT SMALL SECTION, WHICH WAS BASICALLY BUILT AS A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ORIGINALLY BACK IN THE IN THE LATE 70S, EARLY 80S, WHICH CONNECTED THEN TO WEST WINDSOR AT A ROUNDABOUT THAT WAS PLANNED TEN YEARS PREVIOUSLY BY THE TOWN OR SO, SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA.

AND, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT TO A COUPLE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO SPOKE AGAINST THAT DEVELOPMENT OR THAT THAT CONNECTION THERE AND ASKED THEM. I SAID, OKAY, SO IT'S BEEN IN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF IT? AND I WAS ABLE TO REACH ONE ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S REDUCED THE TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF MY HOME BECAUSE HE LIVES RIGHT THERE ON, WINDSOR.

BUT HE SAYS, I DON'T THINK IT'S REDUCED IT.

THE THOUSAND CARS THAT YOUR TRANSPORTATION.

PEOPLE SAID IT WAS GOING TO, BUT IT'S REDUCED CARS.

HE SAID THE WORST THING IS, IS WE ASKED FOR A STOP SIGN RIGHT THERE.

AND NOW I GOT CARS THAT ARE STOPPED AT THE STOP SIGN.

AND THEN WHEN THEY ACCELERATE, I HEAR THEIR, THEIR ENGINES GO, AS THEY ACCELERATE AWAY, HE SAYS, SO CAREFUL WHAT YOU WHAT YOU WISH FOR.

BUT I VIEW THIS AND I UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE.

I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS BY REMOVING THIS FROM THE, THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND CHANGING IT AND SAYING, NO, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BUILD THIS BRIDGE. I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE.

THAT YOU GUYS THINK THAT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.

I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT FROM A CONNECTION STANDPOINT, IT WILL PROVIDE BETTER EMERGENCY SERVICES TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AT THE SOUTH END OF THIS BRIDGE AREA.

AND ANY, YOU KNOW, SECONDS CAN MATTER.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DID IT.

THE CONNECTION BETWEEN WEST WINDSOR AND WINDSOR AS WELL IS TO BE ABLE TO GET THE, THE FIRE TRUCKS FROM, FROM OVER THE BRIDLEWOOD STATION INTO THAT WEST CHESTER NEIGHBORHOOD, RATHER THAN SENDING THEM FROM AROUND THE BLOCK UNTIL WE SAVED MINUTES ON THAT.

SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY GOING TO VOTE FOR OPTION THREE.

I WOULD RATHER VOTE FOR OPTION TWO.

BUT. DID YOU GUYS DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? SO, JIM, I'LL TELL YOU WHY THIS IS DIFFERENT.

AND IT HAS TO DO WITH ANOTHER ITEM THAT ONLY YOU VOTED FOR BECAUSE THIS IS IN 2018.

SO YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE HERE WHO WAS BACK WHO WAS ON IN 2018.

SO ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2018, THE TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE DENTON COUNTY GREENBELT PLAN AND AFFIRMED, QUOTE, THE NECESSITY OF PROTECTING THE NATURAL AREAS ADJACENT TO CREEKS AND OTHER WATERWAYS AND, QUOTE, EXPRESSING FLOWER MOUND INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN IMPLEMENTING STRATEGIES THAT WILL PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT AND SAFEGUARD THE PUBLIC WELFARE.

SO THE TIMBER CREEK IS ONE OF THE WATERSHEDS THAT WAS CALLED OUT IN THAT DOCUMENT.

THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THAT JIM VOTED FOR.

THAT'S WHY THIS IS DIFFERENT.

IT'S IT'S ON THE TIMBER CREEK.

IT'S A WATERSHED. WE'RE OBLIGATED TO PROTECT THAT WATERSHED.

WE DO A GOOD JOB.

BUT IN THIS CASE, NOW THE PUBLIC HAS MENTIONED COSTS.

THEY'VE MENTIONED QUALITY OF LIFE.

IN MY OPINION, THIS THIS IMPACT TO THIS ENVIRONMENT IS REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THIS.

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AND THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS REALLY NO USE AT ALL.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH A DISCUSSION ON EXTENDING THE TRAIL SYSTEM.

I THINK THAT TRAIL IS THE BEST ONE WE HAVE IN TOWN, AND WE REALLY NEED TO START EXTENDING IT DOWN INTO THIS AREA.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN SCHIESTEL I COMPLETELY AGREE, AND I JUST ALSO WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THE RESEARCH YOU ALWAYS PUT IN AND YOU'RE ALWAYS SO WELL PREPARED.

AND I THINK IT HELPS ME IN MY DECISION MAKING.

AND I DO NOT AT ALL SEE A COMPARISON BETWEEN THIS AND WEST WINDSOR.

THE SCOPE, THE LAY OF THE LAND.

IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND I THEREFORE THINK IT HAS NO BEARING.

I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF OPTION THREE, AND WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR US INVESTIGATE FUTURE EXTENSION OF THE TRAILS.

I CONCUR WITH BOTH OF YOU.

THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

IF WE COULD ASK THE CHIEFS TO WEIGH IN THAT IF WE DO NOT DO THIS EXTENSION, WILL THERE BE ANY DEGRADATION OF SERVICE, FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE IN THOSE AREAS? IT WON'T BE AN IMPROVEMENT EITHER.

AND AS A CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE, ACCEPTABLE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

FIRE CHIEF PAUL HENLEY. SO WE'VE HAD, MOST OF OUR CALLS GO TO THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, AND OUR WONDERFUL JAIL, FOR EMS CALLS.

IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE PAST 20 YEARS, WE'VE HAD MAYBE A TOTAL OF 40 CALLS TOTAL IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR EMS CALLS.

IT WOULD SUBTRACT, YOU KNOW, SOME SECONDS OFF RESPONSE TIME.

BUT I THINK WE SERVICE FROM STATION ONE THAT THAT AREA VERY WELL CURRENTLY.

CHIEF. SO AS FAR AS POLICE RESPONSE GOES, IT WOULD BE VERY NEGLIGIBLE ON ANY ADVANTAGE TO, TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU BOTH. THANK YOU CHIEFS.

SO I'M ALIGNED WITH WITH ADAM AND AND BRIAN.

THE THE ISSUE WITH THE VICKERY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THE THE ZONING FOR VICKERY IS, IS ZONED TO LEWISVILLE, WHICH IS TO THE EAST OF THIS EXTENSION.

SO EVEN IF WE DID EXTEND KIRKPATRICK, I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS FROM LEWISVILLE ARE GOING TO GO WEST UP KIRKPATRICK TO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

I STILL THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO EAST.

I DON'T THINK THE EXTENSION IS GOING TO RESOLVE ANY OF THAT ISSUE.

I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S IT'S A PRETTY BIG WASTE OF MONEY TRYING TO DO THE BRIDGE TO EXTEND THIS FOR A PRETTY LOW, LOW TRAFFIC VOLUME.

SO I SUPPORT OPTION THREE.

I ALSO SUPPORT REMOVING THAT.

THE STUB OUT TO OREGON COURT.

THANK YOU. MR.. MR. TAYLOR. DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING I'VE SAID? WHAT I HAD TO SAY. YES.

I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE STAFF LOOKS INTO THE AREA BETWEEN GOLDEN ASPEN DRIVE AND THOSE THREE KIND OF CUL DE SACS ON RIVER OAKS, BUSTER BERRY COURT AND ORION COURT.

ACCORDING TO OUR MAP THERE, THE TOWN LOOKS LIKE WE OWN A COUPLE OF THAT GREEN SPACE.

BUT THEN THERE'S A BIG SECTION WHERE DCAD DOESN'T HAVE A RED DOT, WHICH MEANS MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW.

BECAUSE I WAS JUST LOOKING AROUND TO SEE WHO OWNED WHAT AND EVERYTHING, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE STAFF TO EITHER, LOOK FORWARD AT INCORPORATING THAT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING MORE BENEFICIAL.

IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE APPROVAL OF REGULAR ITEM K SIX.

THAT'S NPA 20 3-0007 KIRKPATRICK LANE, OPTION THREE SECOND.

WELL, WITH REMOVING THE STUB OUT TO.

I THINK THEY SAID THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

IT WAS. IT WAS INCLUDED IN ALL THE OPTIONS, WASN'T IT? MR. HOTELLING SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS AN ADD ON.

IF WE PUT IT IN THERE AS AN ADD ON.

I MEAN, IF IT'S SOMETHING WHEN WE CAN DO IT AS AN OPERATIONAL THING, IF.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL JUST.

YEAH. JUST RESTATE THE MOTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IT.

I WITHDRAW MY MOTION.

MOVE APPROVAL OF NPR 20 3-007 KIRKPATRICK LANE.

OPTION THREE WITH REMOVAL OF THE STUB OUT.

SECOND. ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION? THERESA. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL NAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER ZHOU AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. TAYLOR.

AYE. ITEM NUMBER SIX NPA 20 3-0007 PASSES BY A VOTE OF 4 TO 1 WITH REMOVING THE STUB OUT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

[K.7. Call Election - Charter - Discuss and consider proposed Charter Amendments and adopt an ordinance ordering a special election for May 4, 2024, to amend the Home Rule Charter of the Town of Flower Mound; designate the propositions and manner of holding such election; and provide for the posting and publication of notice.]

I HAVE A NOTE THAT MISS SCOTT WILL.

DISPLAY A FEW THINGS ON THE SCREEN FOR US TO START A REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF WHERE WE ARE ON THE CHARTER ELECTION.

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SO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, YOU'VE HAD THESE PROPOSITIONS BEFORE YOU IN THE PAST.

I WANTED TO SHOW THEM ON THE SCREEN.

SO, WE HAVE THE OPTION TO VOTE ON THEM INDEPENDENTLY AS A GROUP, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S NOT 100% CONSENSUS ON ALL THE PROPOSITIONS.

SO THIS GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO AND YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU SO AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU MA'AM. COUNCIL.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS ANY OF THESE IN MORE PARTICULAR? WELL, THEN I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION AS YOU SEE FIT.

I SUPPORT ALL THESE EXCEPT PROP E, SO IF WE WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A, B, C, D, AND F, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR AND A MOTION FOR PROP E, I WOULD BE OPPOSED IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.

TO HIM INDIVIDUALLY. WELL, NOT INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I WOULD BE OKAY WITH A, B, C, D AND F AS A BLOCK.

AND THEN A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON E.

YES. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE.

YEAH I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

UNLESS ANYBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR ONE OF THE OTHER ONES WORKS FOR ME.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL MOVE. APPROVAL OF PROPOSITION.

A, B, C, D AND F GOING TO THE VOTERS.

I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

OKAY. SECOND.

ANY DELIBERATION? THERESA WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A, B, C, D AND F, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER. TAYLOR. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. DREW. AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

HI. AND COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL.

AYE. PROP A, B, C, D AND F PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

LET'S DISCUSS PROPOSITION E.

SO PROPOSITION E WAS SOMETHING I FELT STRONGLY ABOUT.

I THINK THE CURRENT SITUATION THAT REQUIRES A VOTE HAS TIED OUR HANDS BEFORE WE EVEN START TO GET IN THE GAME, BECAUSE SO MANY WE'VE HEARD TESTIMONY STATING THAT THERE HAVE BEEN DEVELOPMENTS THAT LOOKED AT FLOWER MOUND, BUT AS SOON AS THEY FOUND OUT THAT THEY HAD TO GO TO A VOTE FOR THIS KIND OF ARRANGEMENT, THEY'RE LIKE, SEE YOU LATER.

WE HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER PLACES TO GO TO.

NOW, I'M NOT SAYING I WOULD APPROVE EVERY ONE OF THOSE, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET IN THE GAME AND HAVE A FAIR CHANCE AT EARNING THESE BUSINESSES THAT MAY REALLY BE BENEFICIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I DEFINITELY SUPPORT PROPOSITION E, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE TOWN IF EVERYONE ELSE SUPPORTED IT TOO.

AND I SUPPORT IT AS WELL.

AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS A CHANGE AND IT'S GOING AGAINST WHAT VOTERS VOTED FOR IN 2012.

BUT A LOT HAS CHANGED, IN THOSE LAST 12 YEARS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DOES GIVE ME COMFORT ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, AS WRITTEN, IS IT DOES REQUIRE THE SUPERMAJORITY.

SO I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE ADEQUATE CHECKS AND BALANCES THERE, TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

AND IT DOES HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTING PUBLIC, IN THIS ELECTION TO SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT OR NOT.

BUT I AGREE WITH ALL THE POINTS THAT YOU MADE THAT THIS WOULD BE GOOD FOR OUR TOWN.

THANK YOU. I AGREE, I AGREE AS WELL, SO I DISAGREE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT VOTERS, IT WAS ONLY DONE ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, APPROVED TO ADD THIS TO THE CHARTER FOR GOOD REASON.

I JUST DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO REEVALUATE IT AT THIS POINT.

MAYBE ANOTHER TEN YEARS.

WE CAN LOOK AT IT, BUT I'M JUST NOT SEEING A GOOD JUSTIFICATION TO DO IT.

SO THE VOTERS APPROVED THIS IN 2012 BY A MARGIN OF BETTER THAN 3 TO 1, REALLY AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY.

AND WITHOUT EVER SENDING THEM ANYTHING TO VOTE ON, WE'RE NOW PROPOSING WE REMOVE THEIR ABILITY TO APPROVE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AND GIVING IT BACK TO COUNCIL.

SO I THINK THE CONCERN I HEARD FROM OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM WAS THAT THEY CAN'T REALLY GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU PUT ANYTHING IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO NEGOTIATE THE COMPLETE PARTNERSHIP AND THEN SUBMIT IT.

SO THE ALTERNATIVE I WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT WE GIVE THE VOTERS APPROVE A CONCEPT LIKE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FOR A CONVENTION CENTER, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT AUTHORIZATION AND GO AND NEGOTIATE.

BUT WE HAVEN'T SENT THEM ANYTHING.

SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY THEIR ABILITY TO VOTE.

WE HAVEN'T SENT THEM ANYTHING BECAUSE WE NEVER GOT IN THE GAME.

NO ONE EVEN GIVES US A CHANCE BECAUSE THEY SEE THIS AND THEY SAY, FORGET ABOUT IT.

IT'S WAY TOO MUCH EFFORT.

SO I AND ALSO TEN YEARS AGO, OUR POPULATION HAS GROWN BY HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN TEN YEARS? WELL, 12, 12, 12 YEARS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CORRECTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY MORE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE NOW, WHO HERE NOW, WHO HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS.

AND HONESTLY, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE CARTE BLANCHE PERMISSION TO EVERYBODY WHO WALKS IN THE DOOR AND WANTS ONE OF THESE THINGS.

IT'S JUST SAYING WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT IT AND NEGOTIATE IT.

IF WE FIND IT, IF WE DEEM IT FAVORABLE, THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD.

BUT IT'S ALSO SUPERMAJORITY MAJORITY, RIGHT.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT CHECK AND BALANCE WITHOUT HANDICAPPING US, YOU KNOW TYING OUR HANDS BEHIND OUR BACK FROM THE GET GO.

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WELL WHY DON'T WE WHY DON'T WE REWORD IT TO SAY THAT ALL THESE DIFFERENT USES REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY INSTEAD OF STILL HAND TYING? YEAH. OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE PROPOSITIONS FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE TIME TO REWORD IT AND PUTTING IT FOR A VOTE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAY AND AND NOVEMBER, ADDITIONAL COST TO US TO RUN AN ELECTION, AS WELL AND MAY NEVER GET AROUND THE BLOCK. SO I THINK AND I'D LIKE TO TO MOVE TO APPROVE PROPOSAL E AS PRESENTED.

I WOULD SECOND THAT.

SO IS THAT THE OFFICIAL MOVEMENT IN THE SECOND? THAT WOULD BE THAT WAS THE MOTION.

THAT'S ANY DELIBERATION ON THE MOTION.

THERESA. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL.

NAY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

DREW. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR.

AYE. PROPOSITION E PASSES BY A VOTE OF 3 TO 2.

MOVING ON TO ITEM L BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

[L. BOARDS/COMMISSIONS]

I HAVE SOMETHING THERE.

GO AHEAD, MR. SCHIESTEL.

SO WE HAD A RESIGNATION FROM OUR CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT.

LET ME JUST FIND MY NOTE.

SO, I'VE SPOKEN WITH DEB FITZPATRICK, WHO IS ON OUR ANIMAL SERVICES BOARD, AND DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S A VERY GOOD FIT AND WOULD PREFER TO BE ON THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.

AND LAVERNE AMSTERDAM IS CURRENTLY A, AN ALTERNATE WHO COULD BE MOVED INTO PLACE FOR, WHICH IS THE OPEN SEAT.

DEB FITZPATRICK COULD BE MOVED FROM ANIMAL SERVICES BOARD TO PLAY SEVEN CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE COUNCIL.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DOES THE ONE VACANCY? IS THAT PRESENTING A PROBLEM FOR THE CULTURAL ARTS? DO WE KNOW? IT HAS NOT THE FEEDBACK THAT I HAVE.

IT DOES NOT CREATE A HARDSHIP FOR THE BOARD.

SO. IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH EITHER CALLING FOR A SELECTION OR TO.

LET IT WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

I'M COMFORTABLE CALLING FOR SELECTION FOR THE OTHER OPENINGS, BUT HERE, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE JUST MOVING MEMBERS OF ONE BOARD TO ANOTHER BOARD AND FROM WITHIN THE SAME BOARD.

SO IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REQUIREMENT TO ASK FOR APPLICANTS.

AND WE'RE QUITE FAR WE'RE QUITE A WAYS AWAY FROM OUR SEPTEMBER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

SO I BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO THIS NOW.

WELL, YOU JUST WANTED TO WAIT ON THE, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.

SIX MONTHS. THAT'S DIFFERENT.

NO IT'S NOT. YES IT IS.

YOU CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG FOR THAT.

SO. OKAY, WELL, BUT IF IT'S NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM ON CULTURAL ARTS, BUT THEY THEY HAVE EVENTS COMING UP.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO EVERYTHING THE SAME WAY ALL THE TIME.

FOR EVERY SCENARIO.

THIS IS DIFFERENT. I AGREE WITH THAT.

YEAH I'M GOOD WITH THIS. AND SHE HAS BEEN I MEAN, SHE'S EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN WANTING TO BE MORE INVOLVED.

MY ONLY QUESTION, AND I PROBABLY SHOULD ASK THIS BEFORE, BUT BY DOING THIS ACTION TONIGHT, THERESA ARE WE ARE WE PASSING OVER ANYBODY THAT MAYBE HAVE ALREADY INTERVIEWED A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND IT WAS KIND OF TEED UP.

I MEAN, HAVE WE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT? I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK THE APPLICANTS AGAINST THE POSITIONS THAT THEY REQUESTED.

I JUST DO WANT TO POINT OUT FOR THE ANIMAL SERVICES BOARD, YOU DO HAVE ONE VACANCY RIGHT NOW THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS TO BE A MEMBER OF THE WELFARE ORGANIZATION AFFILIATED WITH SOME KIND OF ANIMAL ORGANIZATION, AND THIS WOULD CREATE THE SECOND VACANCY ON THE ANIMAL SERVICES BOARD.

I HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO THE ANIMAL SERVICES BOARD TO SEE IF THIS WOULD CAUSE A HARDSHIP.

I'M JUST MAKING YOU AWARE SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE BOARD, BUT I FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULD NOT CAUSE A HARDSHIP WHATSOEVER.

AND WE COULD ALSO THEN WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS, WE COULD DISCUSS PEOPLE WHO MIGHT WANT TO COME FORWARD FOR THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO IN SEPTEMBER, IF WE NEED TO RETHINK CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, WE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO AT THAT TIME WHEN I'M OKAY WITH THESE APPOINTMENTS.

NOW, WHEN IS THE NEXT ANIMAL SERVICE BOARD? BECAUSE, OH, IT'S COMING UP IN ANOTHER MONTH OR SO.

I THINK THE LAST ONE WAS WAS IT JANUARY? NO, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER. IT'S IT'S QUARTERLY.

AND HONESTLY WE RARELY TAKE SPECIFIC ACTION.

WE VOTE TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM THE PRIOR MEETINGS AND WE GET A REPORT.

AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE ACTION TAKEN BY THAT BOARD.

YEAH, I SUPPORT MOVING DEBRA OVER.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION, FOR THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.

I MOVE TO APPOINT LAVERNE AMSTERDAM TO PLACE FOR AND DEB FITZPATRICK TO PLACE SEVEN ALTERNATE, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY AND WITH BOTH SEATS RETAINING THEIR RESPECTIVE TERM EXPIRATION DATES. SECOND.

ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION? THERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER.

TAYLOR A COUNCIL MEMBER.

DREW. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL AYE.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL AYE.

CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS PASSED BY A VOTE OF 4 TO 1.

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AND, MAYOR, IF I MAY GET A CLARIFICATION, THE CALL FOR APPLICANTS, BECAUSE I WAS HOLDING ON TO THIS BASED ON HOW TONIGHT WENT.

REMEMBER THE VETERANS LIAISON BOARD A WHILE BACK? YOU ALL PROVIDED DIRECTION TO DO THE CALL FOR APPLICATIONS.

SO DO YOU WANT TO DO A CALL FOR APPLICATIONS FOR THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AS WELL FOR THAT ONE SEAT WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS? BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE'D DO THEM AT THE SAME TIME, AND THEN WE WORK OUT THE INTERVIEWS LATER.

I'D SAY YES. YES, I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GOT THAT RIGHT.

SO. THANK YOU. YEAH.

I THINK WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE VERTICAL CHINS, SO THAT'S A GOOD PLAN.

THERESA. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

WITH THAT. THE TIME IS NOW 911 AND THE TOWN COUNCIL IS CONVENING INTO A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551, SECTION

[M. CLOSED MEETING]

071072074 AND 087.

ALL RIGHT. SO THE TIME IS NOW 1031 AND TOWN COUNCIL IS RECONVENING INTO AN OPEN MEETING.

THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF OUR CLOSED MEETING.

SO THE TIME IS NOW 1031 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.