Jan 18, 2024 Town Council Work Session

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GOOD EVENING FLOWER MOUND.

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGES TONIGHT.

THE INVOCATION WILL BE GIVEN BY COUNCIL MEMBER BRIAN TAYLOR.

LET'S PRAY. DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US HERE TOGETHER TONIGHT.

PLEASE, GUIDE US AS STAFF AND COUNCIL, TO TO WORK TO THE BENEFIT OF THIS TOWN.

LORD, THANK YOU FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

THANK YOU FOR OUR TOWN STAFF. THANK YOU FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

AND PLEASE WATCH OUT FOR THEM EACH AND EVERY DAY.

IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY. AMEN.

AMEN. THANK YOU BRIAN.

PLEASE REMAIN STANDING AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE TO OUR TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

THANK YOU.

YOU MAY BE SEATED.

ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[D. PUBLIC COMMENT]

IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, THE TOWN COUNCIL IS RESTRICTED FROM DISCUSSING OR ACTING ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA.

TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THESE GREEN COMMENT FORMS. SPEAKERS TONIGHT WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, AND A TONE WILL SOUND WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT AND AGAIN WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

AS A REMINDER, WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN TO SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TOWARDS US, YOUR TOWN COUNCIL.

STARTING US OFF TONIGHT WILL BE RAUNAK PATEL.

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL I AM.

OH, MY NAME IS RAUNAK PATEL.

I AM HERE REPRESENTING FOUNTAIN PARK DENTAL, LOCATED AT 1001 LONG PRAIRIE ROAD, FLOWER MOUND, TEXAS.

I AM HERE TO ADVOCATE ON THE SIGN ORDINANCE THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED TODAY.

MY PERSONAL SITUATION IS I BOUGHT A PRACTICE FROM A PREVIOUS DENTIST WHO HAD HIS NAME ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THE OTHER SIDE WAS FACING LONG PRAIRIE.

HE HAS SIGNAGE ON THAT SIDE AS WELL THAT JUST SAYS DENTISTRY.

THE DENTISTRY SIGN GIVES US EXPOSURE, LETS PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, THERE'S A DENTAL OFFICE HERE.

HIS NAME ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WE RENAMED TO FOUNTAIN PARK DENTAL.

WHEN I WENT TO GET PERMITTING THAT, WE TOOK THE PREVIOUS SIGN DOWN, MADE SURE THAT THE BUILDING WAS IN GOOD ORDINANCE FOR HAVING A NEW SIGN ON THERE.

WE GOT APPROVED BY A SIGNAGE COMPANY, WENT TO GO GET PERMITTING.

PERMITTING DEPARTMENT SAID THAT THE PREVIOUS SIGN WAS ISSUED IN ERROR AND THEY'RE NOT LETTING US HAVE ANOTHER SIGN.

SO I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, OTHER INSTITUTIONS THAT WANT DUAL SIGNAGE ON A CORNER LOT.

WE'VE TALKED TO NUMEROUS SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE RIVERWALK LAKESIDE COMMUNITIES, AND THEY'VE HAD SIGNAGE ISSUES AS WELL.

OTHER SIGNAGE COMPANIES IN AND AROUND FLOWER MOUND, ONES THAT ARE AUTHORIZED TO DO SIGNAGE IN FLOWER MOUND HAVE COMPLAINED AS WELL ABOUT GETTING PERMITS.

SOME OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE WAS WE COULD TAKE DOWN THE SIGN ALONG LONG PRAIRIE AND DO OUR FRONT SIGN.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO US, BECAUSE THEN WE'RE LOSING EXPOSURE FOR ALL THE ROAD TRAFFIC ON LONG PRAIRIE.

I COULD GO THROUGH A SIGN COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE THROUGH THE CITY.

THAT WOULD BE FOR THE WHOLE FOUNTAIN PARK PLAZA.

THERE'S ABOUT 8 TO 9 BUILDINGS IN THAT PLAZA.

IT WOULD COST THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

I PERSONALLY CAN'T BACK THAT FINANCIALLY MYSELF, SO THAT WON'T MAKE SENSE EITHER.

SO NOW I'M REACHING OUT TO COUNCIL TO SEE IF WE CAN CHANGE THE SIGNAGE RULE FOR DUAL SIGNAGE PERMITS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.

AND THERE ARE NUMEROUS BUSINESSES ALSO THAT OTHER SIGNAGE COMPANIES HAVE TOLD ME THAT HAVE DUAL SIGNAGE BUT WEREN'T PERMITTED.

THEY'RE JUST PUT IT UP BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET A PERMIT FOR IT.

THEY WAITED LONG ENOUGH AND THEN THEY PUT IT UP THERE.

SO IN CHANGING THE ORDINANCE, IT'S GOING TO HELP THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN FLOWER MOUND.

BUT IT WILL ALSO HELP THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE WILL BE MORE INCOME COMING IN FROM PERMITTING ALL OF THAT AS WELL.

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CORNER TENANTS CAN HAVE DUAL SIGNAGE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING, WHETHER THEY'RE ON TWO MAIN STREETS OR IF THEY'RE OFF A PRIVATE STREET.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR, AND, THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

I KNOW A COUPLE OF US WERE TAKING NOTES, AND, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT LATER.

NEXT UP IS KRISTY CASAL.

CASAL. CASAL, OKAY.

HELLO, COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS KRISTY CASAL.

I AM THE PRINCIPAL OF LAMAR MIDDLE SCHOOL, LOCATED AT 4900 TIMBER CREEK ROAD RIGHT HERE IN FLOWER MOUND.

AND I'M REPRESENTING LAMAR TONIGHT AT THIS TIME.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A VERY OLD AND ANCIENT MARQUEE OUT FRONT IN OUR SCHOOL, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE IT.

RIGHT NOW, OUR MARQUEE IS UP OFF OF THE GROUND PROBABLY TEN FEET OR MORE AT LEAST.

SO IT REQUIRES A LADDER TO GET OUT THERE AND CHANGE THE ANYTIME WE WANT TO CHANGE THE MESSAGE.

ALSO, YOU KNOW, TEXAS WEATHER.

SO WE'RE OUT THERE IN RAIN, SNOW, HEAT, ALL OF IT.

AND SOMETIMES KIDS LIKE TO CLIMB UP THERE AND CHANGE THE LETTERS AROUND AND ALL OF THAT AS WELL.

BUT WE THEY WOULD NEVER DO THAT.

BUT WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO DO IS TO BE ABLE TO WE WOULD REQUEST A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DIGITAL MARQUEE.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO HAVE ANYTHING FLASHY OR, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD CAUSE A DISTRACTION TO TRAFFIC OR TO HOMEOWNERS, BUT JUST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE AN APP ON OUR IPADS OR, YOU KNOW, COMPUTERS OR PHONES AND BE ABLE TO JUST PUT A MESSAGE UP WITHOUT HAVING TO GO OUT IN THE WEATHER, WITHOUT HAVING TO CLIMB A LADDER.

IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR SAFETY, AND IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO PUT A MESSAGE UP AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO GET OUT TO THE PARENTS RIGHT AWAY. WE'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS WELL.

SO THAT'S JUST OUR REQUEST IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DIGITAL MARQUEE, BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, ONLY HIGH SCHOOLS IN FLOWER MOUND HAVE THAT ABILITY.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM. AND NEXT IS MR. FRED VINCENT.

GOOD EVENING, SIR.

HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE.

FRED VINCENT 3993 BARTEL CIRCLE IN FLOWER MOUND.

SO PLEASED TO SEE EVERYBODY TONIGHT.

THIS UNUSUAL AND AND TERRIFIC TOWN.

YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT OUR HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

CHAIRMAN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT'S SUCCESSFUL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PEOPLE, THE KNOWLEDGE, THE MOTIVATION, RESOURCES.

AND OUR CURRENT HISTORICAL TASK FORCE HAS ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND I KNOW ANDY EADS IS SUPPORTING IT.

I KNOW THAT, THE PEGGY RIDDLE WITH THE DENTON COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS SUPPORTING IT.

I KNOW MANY OF YOU COUNCILMAN ARE SUPPORTING IT, MAYBE EVEN THE THE MAYOR, AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE THE END OF DECEMBER, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HOLDING IT UP, BUT I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU AND JUST TELL YOU IT'S A GREAT PEOPLE ORGANIZATION READY TO GO IF SOMEBODY'S HOLDING IT UP.

JUST GET GET OUT OF THE WAY OR GET ON BOARD IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

BUT, I JUST, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GO THROUGH.

EVEN THE BUILDER DEVELOPERS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT, BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE SCRAPING THE GROUND, THE ARTIFACTS WILL BE IDENTIFIED QUICKLY.

THEY CAN GO BACK TO WORK.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT FOR HAVING A HISTORICAL COMMISSION WHERE WE GET ALL OUR ARTIFACTS TOGETHER, ALL OUR INFORMATION.

ALL RIGHT.

AN UPDATED HISTORY OF THE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY.

I KNOW YOU'RE SHOCKED.

GOD BLESS Y'ALL.

THANK YOU SIR. THERESA DO WE HAVE ANY MORE GREEN COMMENT CARDS? I DO NOT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR HAND.

SEEING AND HEARING NONE.

WE'LL BE CLOSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

[F. CLOSED MEETING]

THE TIME IS NOW 6:09 AND YOUR TOWN COUNCIL IS CONVENING INTO A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551, SECTION .071, .072, .074 AND .087.

[G. RECONVENE]

THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF THE CLOSED MEETING.

SO WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO OUR REGULAR WORK SESSION ITEMS.

[E. WORK SESSION ITEM]

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YOU JUST WANT ME UP HERE? IS THAT. YES, MA'AM.

OKAY. WELL, I GUESS I'M HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THE, COUNTY WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO, EXPAND OUR MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING TO INCLUDE MORE THAN JUST THE GIBSON GRANT HOUSE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY.

NUMBER ONE IS WE HAVE AN ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM, AND WE'D LIKE TO RECRUIT VOLUNTEERS TO HELP US CAPTURE THOSE ORAL HISTORIES.

WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM.

AND WE HAVE A LADY FROM THAT DEPARTMENT WHO IS READY TO TRAIN SOME FOLKS AND GET GOING ON THESE ORAL HISTORIES. I'M NOT GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION, THERESA SAID I DIDN'T NEED TO BRING ANYTHING, SO I DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING.

BUT SHE MAY HAVE THE ITEMS THAT SHE CAN PUT UP ON THE SCREEN FOR Y'ALL.

I SHOULD HAVE PREFACED THIS ACTUALLY BY INTRODUCING THE BACKGROUND AND WHY PEGGY IS HERE.

SHE'S BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN WORKING WITH THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION TASK FORCE ON SOME GUIDANCE AND VARIOUS INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM TO KNOW AS THEY GO DOWN THIS PATH IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION SIDE OF THINGS.

AND NOW THAT WE HAVE THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY CREATE A HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THERE WAS VALUE ADDED IN HAVING HER HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THIS DOCUMENT, THE RESOLUTION THAT ACTUALLY CREATES THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION RIGHT.

AND A COMPONENT OF THAT IS ARTIFACTS THAT IF THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION IS COLLECTING ARTIFACTS, WE NEED A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO HOW IS THAT HANDLED? INSTEAD OF SOMEONE JUST, YOU KNOW, COLLECTING THINGS AND PUTTING IN THEIR HOMES AND NOT THAT THAT'S A BAD THING, BUT THERE'S NO, LONG TERM, BENEFIT FROM DOING THAT.

SO I'VE ASKED HER TO COME AND TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

DENTON COUNTY'S VISION OF HISTORY IN THE COUNTY, AND HOW DOES THAT LOOK IN THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION HERE AND HOW THAT RELATIONSHIP COULD BE.

SO SHE'LL SHARE A LITTLE THOUGHTS ON THAT ON WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR FLOWER MOUND VERSUS WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING AND HOW WE CAN PARTNER WITH THAT AND HOW THE CURRENT THE COUNTY CURRENTLY WORKS WITH OTHER CITIES IN DENTON COUNTY REGARDING THEIR HISTORY.

AND LIKE SHE ALREADY ALLUDED TO A LITTLE BIT THE SERVICES PROVIDED WITH SOME OF THE EXHIBIT PLANNING TRAVELING MUSEUM THAT THEY DO EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMING AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE, THIS KIND OF CROSS THING WHERE WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE DOING THE SAME THING AND HOW THEY CAN WORK TOGETHER.

SO I'D WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THAT RELATIONSHIP OPPORTUNITY EXISTS, THAT THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE RESOLUTION THAT CREATES THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND THEN JUST UNDERSTANDING WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND ANSWER YOU GUYS QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP US AS WE CRAFT THIS RESOLUTION, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT, RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE.

OKAY. OKAY, SO THE COUNTY'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR APPROXIMATELY 10 YEARS.

I'VE BEEN WITH THE COUNTY FOR 11.

I HAVE PROFESSIONALLY BEEN DOING THIS FOR 44 YEARS.

I JUST LOOKED IT UP.

I WAS SHOCKED, BUT I HAVE A DEEP LOVE OF HISTORY, SO I WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS FOR THE MONEY.

BUT I JUST LOVE HISTORY AND I LOVE SHARING HISTORY.

SO WHAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THIS MODELED AFTER SOME OF OUR OTHER MOUS, WE HAVE ONE WITH PILOT POINT. THAT IS WITH THEIR, THEY DID HAVE A HISTORICAL COMMISSION, BUT IT'S SORT OF BEEN ABSORBED BY THEIR LIBRARY.

SO, WE WORK WITH THEM ON EXHIBITS ON COLLECTIONS THAT COME TO THE TOWN, OR THEY MAY COME DIRECTLY TO THEIR MUSEUM.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A MUSEUM BUILDING.

AND WHAT WE DO IS ONCE THE ARTIFACT, WE HAVE ALL THE PAPERWORK DONE ON IT.

WE ALWAYS GIVE, HAVE A GIFT AGREEMENT SO THAT THERE'S NO QUESTION OF WHO IT BELONGS TO.

BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, SOME RELATIVE MAY COME ALONG AND SAY, AUNT SUSIE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO GIVE THAT TO Y'ALL, BUT YOU'VE GOT CLEAR TITLE TO IT.

WE THEN GO THROUGH A PROCESS THAT WE CALL ACCESSIONING, AND THAT IS A MUSEUM TERM.

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WE, USE WHAT'S CALLED THE CHENNAULT NOMENCLATURE, AND THAT WE HAVE A SOFTWARE PROGRAM CALLED PAST PERFECT.

IT'S IDEAL FOR SMALL MUSEUM COLLECTIONS.

WE'RE NOT THE LOUVRE, WE'RE NOT THE SMITHSONIAN.

SO WE THEY MADE IT VERY SIMPLE FOR US.

AND IT HELPS.

IT'S VERY EASY TO USE PROGRAM SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT VOLUNTEERS CAN USE.

WE HAVE INTERNS FROM BOTH, NCTC, TWU AND UNT, THAT COME TO US EVERY SEMESTER.

WE HAVE, HAVE THEM TRAINED.

MOST OF THEM LEARN THIS PAST PERFECT PROGRAM WHILE THEY'RE STILL IN MUSEUM SCHOOL.

THEY HELP US TO CATALOG AND TO PUT THE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER ON EVERY ITEM, WHETHER IT BE A MANUSCRIPT, A BOOK, A PHOTOGRAPH OR A HORSESHOE.

WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING AND OUR MISSION IS TO COLLECT DENTON COUNTY HISTORY.

NOW, THAT CAN BE VERY BROAD BECAUSE YOU IN DENTON COUNTY, AND ESPECIALLY LIKE FLOWER MOUND, YOU HAVE A YOUNG HISTORY, BUT WE DON'T EXCLUDE WE DON'T SAY FROM 1836, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE THE BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M A BELIEVER IN CURRENT HISTORY.

I WENT ALL OVER THE COUNTY, AND ESPECIALLY IN FLOWER MOUND COLLECTING THINGS, DEALING WITH OUR COVID PANDEMIC.

THAT IS CURRENT HISTORY, BUT IT HAD TO BE COLLECTED BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT ONE DAY.

SO, WE RECOMMEND THAT ALL THE GIFTS TO THE CITY, THEY BECOME A PART OF THE CITY, BUT WE TAKE CARE OF THEM.

WE DO ALL THE ACCESSIONING, THE IDENTIFICATION, THE CLASSIFICATION, AND THE STORAGE.

ALL OF OUR COLLECTIONS ARE KEPT IN CLIMATE CONTROLLED, SECURE STORAGE.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT PAPERS.

TEXTILES ARE VERY, VERY FRAGILE.

THEY CAN'T BE SUBJECTED TO DRASTIC CHANGES IN TEMPERATURE.

WE'RE GETTING READY TO WE MOVE MOST OF OUR COLLECTIONS OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE ON THE SQUARE, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE OUR HVAC, AND EVERYTHING WENT INTO SECURE, CLIMATE CONTROLLED STORAGE.

IT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT THAT'S HOW MUCH OUR COMMISSIONERS COURT AND OUR COUNTY JUDGE BELIEVE IN PROTECTING OUR HISTORY. SO, WHAT WHENEVER WE WORK WITH YOUR STAFF ON A NEW EXHIBIT, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO CHUCK.

MOST OF THE FURNITURE IN THE GIBSON GRANT HOUSE BELONGS TO THE COUNTY, AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CHANGING IT UP SOME, ADDING SOME MORE TEXTILES, SOME MORE PERSONAL ITEMS THAT COULD FIT TO TELL THE STORY.

SO WE WE WOULD WORK WITH Y'ALL.

IF Y'ALL WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR COLLECTION, IN YOUR CITY COLLECTION.

WE WERE, BEFORE YOU WERE MAYOR THERE WERE SOME THINGS DONATED, BUT IT WAS WHEN DEBRA WAS HERE AND IT WAS DECIDED IT'D BE BETTER FOR THE COUNTY TO STORE THESE THINGS BECAUSE THERE REALLY WASN'T THE PROPER STORAGE.

SO WE ENDED UP WITH DOC WILKINSON'S THINGS THAT MAINLY ARE FRAMED ITEMS AND SOME SCRAPBOOKS.

BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT COME IN.

WE'RE HERE TO HELP.

WE HELP PLAN EXHIBITS.

WE'VE HELPED PILOT POINT WITH, EXHIBITS WE'VE HELPED LEWISVILLE.

WE HAVE AN MOU WITH THEM AND THEY EXHIBIT IN THEIR VISITOR CENTER.

SO WE WORK WITH THEM.

THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF OF PRINTING LARGE SCALE PHOTOGRAPHS AND TEXT PANELS.

WE, PILOT POINT DID NOT, BUT WE DID ALL THAT IN HOUSE FOR THEM.

IT'S ALL THROUGH COUNTY FUNDS.

IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU FOR ANY FUNDING.

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SO THE COUNTY HAS MADE THE COMMITMENT TO SAVE THE HISTORY HOWEVER WE CAN.

AND BY GOING INTO THE DIFFERENT TOWNS, WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

HOW TO HOW CAN WE BETTER BEST HELP YOU? Y'ALL MAY HAVE A VISION.

I DON'T HAVE THAT VISION.

I DON'T KNOW THE VISION YET.

BUT HOPEFULLY WORKING WITH YOU, WE CAN WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHAT I'M TELLING YOU.

I'M OFFERING YOU COUNTY SERVICES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR, PARTNERSHIP.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO, KEEP ANYTHING IF Y'ALL SAY, WELL, WE WANT THIS TO BE ON EXHIBIT HERE AT TOWN HALL.

OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, BUT WE MAY IF IT'S SOMETHING VERY FRAGILE, WE MAY, YOU KNOW, SAY, WELL, HOW ABOUT AN EXHIBIT CASE? WE'VE GOT SOME EXTRA CASES.

WHY DON'T WE PUT IT INSIDE A CASE SO GRUBBY HANDS CAN'T, YOU KNOW, DESTROY SOMETHING? WE, HAVE SOME EXHIBIT CASES.

WE JUST HAD CHUCK'S FOLKS, PICK UP THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THE GIBSON GRANT.

SO WE'RE. WE'LL HAVE THOSE, AND REALLY, I'VE GOT HISTORIANS NOW ON MY STAFF.

I'VE GOT A CURATOR OF EXHIBIT DESIGN.

I HAVE AN EDUCATION CURATOR.

AND, MANY OF YOU ALL HAVE MAY HAVE MET MEGAN, WHO OVERSEES THE TRAINING OF THE DOCENTS AT THE GIBSON GRANT.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING THAT DOCENT TRAINING.

DOCENTS NEED TO, REALLY HAVE A LOT OF ONGOING TRAINING.

WE WE TRY TO GET THEM TO GO ON FIELD TRIPS TO DIFFERENT PLACES, VISIT OTHER MUSEUMS OR HISTORICAL SITES.

THEY CAN LEARN FROM IT.

THEY CAN TEACH US TOO.

Y'ALL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MISS RIDDLE, THAT WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE OKAY.

AND I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE.

I KNOW MAYBE WITHOUT A LOT A WHOLE LOT OF DIRECTION.

BUT YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC A COUPLE OF TIMES.

RIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL AND, AND SEE BECAUSE IT IS A WORK SESSION.

RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SAY THE TERM THAT WE RUN IT A LITTLE LOOSEY GOOSEY.

WE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF STAFF HERE.

WE'VE GOT SOME MEMBERS OF OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, HISTORICAL COMMISSION HERE.

BUT BUT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID, I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT RIGHT.

AND AND TO A CERTAIN POINT, AS I TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GETTING IN OUR OWN WAY.

RIGHT. SO I THINK IF COUNCIL CAN, CAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT A DRAFT MOU OR A DRAFT ORDINANCE AND WE CAN KIND OF GET SOME THINGS GOING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME.

AS I WAS TRYING TO TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL, I THINK OUR INTENT WAS TO HAVE A HISTORICAL COMMISSION SO THAT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION COULD WORK WITH YOU AND THEN COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO, RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE OUT OF ORDER AND HOW WE'RE SETTING THIS UP.

I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A AN ORDINANCE AND WE HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY MADE IT, BUT WHAT DOES COUNCIL? CAN WE. WE NEED TO.

WE NEED TO MOVE IT DOWN THE ROAD, MAN.

WE DO. AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD FIRST STEP.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DRAFT MOU AND MAYBE YOU, IN CONCERT WITH THE TASK FORCE CURRENT TO BE COMMISSIONED, CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU RECOMMEND WOULD WORK FOR BOTH PARTIES AND HAVE YOUR BEST INTERESTS REPRESENTED.

AND WE HAVE LEARNED THE INCREDIBLE IMPORTANCE OF CRAFTING A GOOD RESOLUTION, ESPECIALLY FOR A NEW COMMISSION.

AND SO I DO WANT IT TO BE DONE RIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO RUSH IT SO THAT JUST ANYTHING GETS DONE.

I'D RATHER DO IT RIGHT.

I WANT TO GET IT DONE, BUT I WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.

I AGREE, I SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

SO YOU KNOW, SO THESE OTHER THE MOUS THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE OTHER COMMUNITIES WITHIN DENTON COUNTY, YOU SAID THAT YOU STORE THEIR, THEIR ITEMS. SO IF OUR HISTORICAL COMMISSION COMES UP WITH ITEMS OR RECEIVES ITEMS FROM RESIDENTS OR WHATEVER, DOES THAT REMAIN AS A TOWN ITEM, OR DOES IT TRANSFER OVER TO THE THE SO THE COUNTY JUST THE STORAGE AS WELL AS THE HELPING US, IF YOU WILL.

EXACTLY YOU RETAIN THE OWNERSHIP.

OKAY. OKAY. YOU ARE BASICALLY LOANING THEM TO US.

WE WILL COME UP WITH A LOAN DOCUMENT, BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE PAY FOR THE INSURANCE ON THE ITEMS.

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THEY MAY WANT TO JUST CONSIDER AN ASSET.

AND WE CAN SHOW YOU HOW YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COUNTY DOES, BUT NO, IT BECOMES YOUR PROPERTY.

AND I WOULD RECOMMEND, LIKE, ONCE A YEAR, ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN GIFTED TO THE COUNTY, NOT TO PILOT POINT OR LEWISVILLE, THAT OUR, OUR, COMMISSIONERS COURT ACCEPTS THEM INTO THE THAT RECORD, THE COUNTY RECORD.

SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO THAT ONCE A YEAR, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN YOUR YOUR MINUTES THAT YOU HAVE ACCEPTED THESE ITEMS. OKAY. AND I THINK JUST FROM A COMMENT FOR AMONG US, I THINK IT'D BE REALLY COOL IF WE HAD AN AREA THAT DID DISPLAY THIS STUFF.

EXACTLY. BECAUSE THAT, I MEAN, IT'S GREAT TO FIND HISTORY, IT'S GREAT TO DOCUMENT HISTORY, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE SHARED SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S THERE.

EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND THAT'S OUR, OUR GOAL TOO BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, OF ARTIFACTS IN STORAGE.

YOU KNOW, THANK GOODNESS FOR THE GIBSON GRANT.

WE WERE ABLE TO BRING THEM OUT OF STORAGE, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING MORE OUT OF STORAGE BECAUSE THAT'S WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT THE, THE COUNTY'S ATTIC. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO BE THAT CONNOTATION LIKE, SOMETIMES YOU THINK OF WITH THE SMITHSONIAN, WHICH DOES HAVE QUITE A BIT IN STORAGE.

WE WANT THESE THINGS TO COME.

EXCUSE ME. COME OUT OF STORAGE AND BE APPRECIATED.

HAVE THEM TRAVEL AROUND.

THEY COULD GO INTO BANK BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.

Y'ALL MAY HAVE OTHER, LIKE, THE LIBRARY.

THEY MAY WANT TO Y'ALL MAY WANT SOME TO GO TO THE LIBRARY.

OTHER PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CONGREGATE AND CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY.

YEAH. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO SHARE SOME OF THOSE CURRENT MOUS WITH US AS WELL? YES, I HAVE SENT THEM TO THERESA.

SHE HAS LEWISVILLE AND PILOT POINT AND ARGYLE IS THAT.

YEAH, I THINK SHE'S GOT ALL THREE OF THEM.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT FOR US TO SEE.

YEAH. PEGGY, YOU MENTIONED THAT ALL OF THE ARTIFACTS ARE CATALOGED AND THERE'S A SOFTWARE.

I THINK YOU CALLED IT PAST PERFECT THAT YOU USE AS YOUR MANAGEMENT TOOL FOR ALL OF THAT.

CAN THE PUBLIC GO IN AND LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THIS INVENTORY? IS THAT POSSIBLE? YES.

THE, THE PROGRAM JUST HAS TO BE, BOOTED UP BY A STAFF MEMBER.

BUT YEAH, WE THEY CAN GO IN AND EVENTUALLY IT HAS THE ABILITY TO DO IT FROM THE WEB.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'M WORKING TOWARDS, WHERE YOU COULD RESEARCH, LIKE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE FROM THE CIVIL WAR.

AND YOU'D SEE EVERYTHING FROM DOCUMENTS, PHOTOGRAPHS TO ARTIFACTS.

SO THAT'S THAT'S OUR GOAL.

I'LL KNOW MORE ONCE I TALK TO MY CURATOR ABOUT WHERE WE ARE GETTING THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE SOFTWARE.

YEAH. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND GIVING US.

I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION, BUT, I MEAN, I'M REALLY KIND OF CLUELESS AND REALLY LOOKING TO LEARN AND WHAT WHAT'S OUT THERE? WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING? SO I'M KIND OF A SPONGE.

I NEED INFORMATION AND GUIDANCE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND HELPING US WITH THAT.

OH, SURE. ANYTIME.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.

SO I THINK OUR NEXT STEP WILL BE TO GET THAT MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BEFORE YOU ALL, BECAUSE PEGGY AND I SPOKE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THAT FIRST EVEN BEFORE THE COMMISSION IS FORMED, BECAUSE IT DOES OUTLINE HOW THAT NEEDS SOME, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATION THERE.

AND I WOULD HAVE A QUESTION TOO, THEN, I'M SORRY THAT I HAD ON MY NOTES.

IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE SIZE OF ARTIFACTS THAT IF FOR SOME REASON, HYPOTHETICALLY, THERE WAS A CAR THAT WAS OF SOME SIGNIFICANCE TO OUR HISTORY . BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A MODEL T [INAUDIBLE] AND WE JUST GOT ANOTHER, WAGON, LIKE A COVERED WAGON.

WE JUST GOT ANOTHER ONE.

BUT THE COUNTY BOUGHT THE OLD SALLY BEAUTY WAREHOUSE, AND IT'S GOT A LOT OF ROOM IN IT.

AND, THEN I, THEY ALSO BOUGHT THE HOUSER BUILDING NEXT TO IT.

SO WE DO HAVE ROOM.

WE ALSO OWN THE CITY OF DENTON FIRE TRUCK, AND IT IS DESTINED TO BE ON DISPLAY AT OUR NEW EMERGENCY SERVICES BUILDING.

SO YES, WE DO HAVE ROOM FOR VERY LARGE ITEMS.

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RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEONE WENT TO THE DENTON COUNTY MUSEUM TO SEE THE DOC WILKERSON ITEMS AND THOSE THINGS.

YES AND NO, BY APPOINTMENT, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE TO MOVE THINGS OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE ON THE SQUARE AND BECAUSE OF THE HVAC GOING IN TEMPORARILY, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE TILL THE SUMMER.

BUT WE CAN ALWAYS GO TO THE STORAGE UNIT WITH THE PERSON THAT WANTED.

THEY JUST JUST BY APPOINTMENT.

YEAH, THAT'S NORMAL FOR MOST MUSEUMS. THEY DON'T JUST LET YOU WANDER INTO THEIR COLLECTIONS WITHOUT A STAFF MEMBER.

I DO HAPPEN TO HAVE THE DOC WILKERSON'S THINGS, IN MY OFFICE, BECAUSE WE HELD BACK SOME THINGS KNOWING WE MIGHT WANT TO USE THEM FOR EXHIBIT, AND I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO TO GO TO STORAGE.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE A MUSEUM THAT IT'S OPEN 8 TO 5, AND YOU CAN GO IN AND SEE ANY OF THE ARTIFACTS YOU KNOW, THAT ARE ON DISPLAY.

NOTHING. YEAH. NOTHING IS ON DISPLAY AT ALL TIMES.

THIS IS NOT A STATIC TYPE OF MUSEUM.

YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR AUDIENCE PRETTY QUICKLY.

MOST MUSEUMS, YOU KNOW, ONLY HAVE EXHIBITS UP FOR MAXIMUM MAYBE FIVE YEARS IF THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE.

AND WE ARE A FREE MUSEUM.

YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP YOUR AUDIENCE ENGAGED.

AND YOU DON'T DO THAT WITH STATIC EXHIBITS.

I WAS JUST TOLD BY CATHY THAT THE MOUS ARE IN THE BACK OF THIS DOCUMENT.

Y'ALL HAVE FROM THE TASK FORCE.

THE I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE OTHER IDEAS ON DISPLAY, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THEM, BUT.

I'M JUST. I'M JUST ASKING WHEN BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE CRAFTING THIS TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY LIMITATIONS INVOLVED AND WHAT IS WHAT IS THE PUBLIC COMPONENT TO IT.

THAT'S THE REALLY THE BASIS FOR MY QUESTIONS.

I'D SAY THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE ON PERMANENT DISPLAY IS THE PINCKNEYVILLE STUMP, WHICH WAS, SUPPOSEDLY THE STUMP THAT WAS, IT'S ON EXHIBIT AT THE COURTS BUILDING.

WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE IT OUT, BUT THE PINCKNEYVILLE STUMP IS WHERE THE FIRST COMMISSIONER'S COURT GOT AROUND A TREE AND DID THEIR BUSINESS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE NOTES I TOOK JUST LOOKING AT THEM, THAT WE COULD REQUEST AT ANY TIME FOR ITEMS TO BE BROUGHT HERE TO BE PUT ON DISPLAY APPROPRIATELY.

ARE THERE ANY LIMITATIONS TO THE NUMBER OF TIMES OR THE NUMBER OF ITEMS, OR SHOULD THAT BE STATED ANYWHERE IN CONSIDERATION, JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, UNLIMITED ACCESS AT OUR REQUEST IN THE MOU? OKAY, OKAY. BECAUSE I MEAN, SOMEDAY WE MAY HAVE A PLACE OR, THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR OWN MUSEUM.

THIS PLACE SPACE, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE HERE TO HELP Y'ALL.

YEAH. MEET YOUR VISION.

SO, ABOUT HOW MANY ITEMS DO YOU THINK ARE IN THE TOWN COLLECTION? OF. YEAH. AND SO YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT LIKE COST SHARING AND THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HELP US OUT AND, AND ALL THAT.

BUT I WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD QUANTIFY THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS I'VE HAD IN THE VERY BEGINNING, WHEN WE STARTED THIS WAS OUR TOWN'S HISTORY LEAVING THE TOWN.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE COUNTY'S ASSISTANCE.

I JUST ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT THAT WE'RE NOT LOSING OUR HISTORY TO A DIGITAL CATALOG THAT GOES SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T SEE. SO, I MEAN, AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, I WOULD THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO SEE IF WE COULD QUANTIFY HOW MUCH THAT IS, BECAUSE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE SMALL TOWN, I THINK, BUT WE'RE ALSO A GOOD SIZED COMMUNITY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN SOME OF OUR OWN HISTORY MANAGEMENT.

RIGHT. AND SO, AGAIN, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I'VE JUST BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT OUR TOWN'S HISTORY LEAVING THE TOWN.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVEN'T REALLY MOVED FORWARD WITH BECOMING MORE SELF-SUFFICIENT IN MANAGING THAT.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE BECOMING MORE RELIANT UPON THE COUNTY, WHICH IS FINE, I GET IT.

YOU HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT AND YOU'RE OFFERING IT, AND I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT.

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BUT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT OUR, OUR HISTORICAL COMMISSION IS IS MORE INVOLVED IN MANAGING OUR TOWN'S HISTORY WITHOUT IT LEAVING THE TOWN. I MEAN, THAT'S FINE, BUT I MEAN, IF PEGGY SAID THAT.

IT, WE RETAIN TITLE TO IT AND OWNERSHIP OF IT, AND IF WE CAN GET IT BACK, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, AS LONG AS THAT'S IN THE MOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GIVING UP OWNERSHIP OF THIS PARTICULAR PIECE AND IT REMAINS AT OUR, OUR OUR ITEM, OUR PROPERTY.

YEAH. IT'S LIKE IT'S IN THEIR TEMPORARY CUSTODY.

THAT'S RIGHT. EXACTLY.

AND AND I WAS GOING TO SAY LIKE IN PILOT POINT, THEY'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY CAN MANAGE THEIR OWN EXHIBITS AND THEIR MUSEUM SPACE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF STORAGE.

SO WE STORE IT FOR THEM.

AND WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT HELP YOU, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT FLOWER MOUND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO EVENTUALLY, HAVE THIS UNDER YOUR OWN STAFF.

WE'RE HERE TO, YOU KNOW, TRAIN YOUR COMMISSION.

AND, YOU KNOW, UNTIL YOU DO HAVE YOUR OWN STAFF TO DO THIS.

I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO KICK OFF THIS WHOLE THING WHENEVER WE'RE READY TO, TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO THE COMMISSION TO HAVE OUR TOWN COLLECTION BROUGHT TO THE TOWN FACILITY SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN SEE WHAT OUR TOWN, COLLECTION CONSISTS OF.

AND THIS IS ONLY ONE PIECE OF IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, LIKE YOU SAID, THE EDUCATION PIECE.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'M, I'M KIND OF STAGING THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE AND PASSIONATE GROUP, THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

IF THESE SAME FOLKS BECOME THE COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT WE WANT TO BE PREPARED IN THE EVENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE STORAGE TO MEET THOSE NEEDS BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE FINDING OR COLLECTING, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALREADY PROVEN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY THEY'RE PASSIONATE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ACTIVE WITH THIS.

SO WE DON'T WANT A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE INUNDATED WITH, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 30 ARTIFACTS THAT WE HAVE NO STORAGE FOR.

SO IT KIND OF PREPARES US TO GO THAT PATH IN THE EVENT, BECAUSE IF IT'S PAPERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OF COURSE, IN-HOUSE, WE CAN STORE THAT ALL DAY LONG.

BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT THOSE ARTIFACTS ARE THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET SO.

WELL, I THINK IT'S A IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET STARTED.

AND WE'RE NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL.

WE'RE BUILDING ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS.

AND USE YOUR EXPERIENCE.

USE YOUR RESOURCES TO, LIKE YOU SAID, TO, TO TRAIN US.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE CATALOGING OF THESE ITEMS, I THINK IS A GREAT THING THAT WILL BE PART OF WHAT YOU OFFER.

SO I'M VERY INTERESTED, LIKE THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, TO, TO, TO TO WORK THROUGH THE MOU AND I WOULD UNDER I WOULD EXPECT THAT IF WE START THE MOU AND YOU KNOW YOU HOUSE EVERYTHING, BRING IT HERE WHEN WE NEED IT OR STORE EVERYTHING.

BRING IT HERE WHEN WE NEED IT.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE COMES A TIME WHERE WE DO HAVE OUR OWN LOCATION AND YOU KNOW, THOSE TERMS ARE GOING TO CHANGE, WE COULD UPDATE THAT MOU TO REFLECT THAT CONDITION AT THAT POINT. SURE. SO, I'M, I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE AND WHAT, WHAT, STAFF NEEDS FROM US TO KEEP THIS MOVING FORWARD.

WHAT DOES STAFF NEED FOR US TO MOVE THIS DOWN THE ROAD? I MEAN, WE NEED TO LOOK AT AN MOU AND WE NEED TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE, RIGHT? RIGHT. WE DO THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTAND, THE MOU FIRST, AND THEN PEGGY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK SHE ALSO HAS TO RUN IT THROUGH THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR APPROVAL.

THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WOULD APPROVE THE MOU THAT Y'ALL COME UP WITH.

YEAH, YEAH, JUST YOUR SIDE.

AND ONCE THAT IS DONE, THEN, IN THE BACKGROUND, WE'LL BE ACTUALLY WORKING ON DRAFT LANGUAGE FOR THE CREATION, THE RESOLUTION THAT WILL CREATE THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND MIRRORING IT WITH SOME OF THE CURRENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND RECOGNIZING THAT THERE MAY BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND TWEAKING BASED ON IF YOU ALL SEE THAT THEIR SCOPE AND RESPONSIBILITIES SHOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BUT WE'LL CRAFT IT BASED ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE REPORT AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU ALL.

BUT THIS HAPPENS AFTER THE MOU BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY HAVE THAT IN PLACE BEFORE WE GO TOO MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.

AND I THINK IT'S SIMILAR TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS THAT Y'ALL DO WITH THE COUNTY.

WHY DO WE NEED THE MOU BEFORE DOING THE COMMISSION? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A MECHANISM BY WHICH ANY ARTIFACTS WILL BE STORED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CARVED OUT AND GOOD WITH BOTH US AND THE COUNTY FIRST.

BEFORE WE DO THAT, AND PEGGY CAN SHARE HER THOUGHTS ON THAT AS WELL.

THAT'S THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, LET'S SAY ADAM, WAS PRESENTED WITH A LOT OF THINGS FROM THE MORRIS FAMILY, AND YOU WERE LIKE, OKAY, I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, AGRICULTURAL TOOLS AND ALL THIS.

WHAT DO I DO WITH THESE NOW? WELL, WE WOULD COME AND GET THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THESE ITEMS, PROCESS THEM FOR YOU.

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WE CAN, MAKE THOSE CATALOG SHEETS.

I MEAN, THEY CAN BE, VERY DETAILED, MAKE THOSE ALL AVAILABLE TO YOU SO YOU CAN READ ALL ABOUT THEM.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY BEHIND AN ARTIFACT, BUT WE PROCESS THEM AND THEN PLACE THEM IN THE CORRECT STORAGE.

SO IF IT'S A TEXTILE, IT WOULD GO INTO LIKE AN ACID FREE BOX SAME WITH A, WITH BOOKS.

WE WOULD WRAP IN ACID FREE TISSUE.

WE HAVE ALL THESE SUPPLIES AND THEN PUT IT IN A, IN LIGHT STORAGE.

SO IF IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENT IT WOULD GO WITH OTHER AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENTS, BUT IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE ITS UNIQUE NUMBER ON IT.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE MOU WOULD SPELL OUT THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT.

THEY WOULD LITERALLY EDUCATE THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION MEMBERS ON HOW TO DO AN ORAL HISTORY WITH SOMEONE.

SO THAT CLARIFIES THAT RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE, THEY ARE GETTING THAT EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT AND HOW TO DO THIS WHERE THEY CAN IN FACT DO THIS.

SO IT SETS THE FOUNDATION FOR THEM TO GET GOING ON THE RIGHT START AND KNOWING HOW TO HANDLE CERTAIN THINGS.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE MOU FIRST.

EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT I THINK WE'RE ALL EXCITED TO GET IT ROLLING, BUT LET'S GET OUR ACT TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN START HANDLING IT.

AND BECAUSE THE LAST IF WE'VE GOT AN AGGRESSIVE, HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS HAVE THEM HAVE 100 ITEMS, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, OOPS, WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS NOW, SO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER.

YES. SO HOW QUICKLY CAN WE GET LIKE, WORD VERSIONS OF THOSE MOUS TO US SO THAT WE CAN START SORTING THROUGH THOSE? WE JUST NEED TO MOVE THIS DOWN THE ROAD.

SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 5TH.

SO IF WE CAN GET DRAFT MOU IN WORD FORMAT WE CAN TURN ON TRACK CHANGES.

WE CAN GET THIS DONE.

WE CAN I WILL COMMIT TO YOU THAT I WILL DO THE BEST, ABSOLUTE BEST THAT I CAN IN WORKING WITH LEGAL TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND I DON'T KNOW THE TIMING OF DENTON COUNTY'S COMMISSIONERS COURT TO WHERE IS IT TYPICALLY THAT WE WOULD DRAFT THAT FIRST AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY? IS THAT TYPICALLY THE ORDER? EITHER WAY. EITHER WAY, WE CAN PUT IT TOGETHER FOR YOU IF THAT HELPS, I'LL WORK WITH PEGGY AND WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND SEE IF IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE FEBRUARY 5TH AGENDA. I DON'T THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE TOO DIFFICULT BEING WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES ALREADY THAT WE CAN WORK FROM, SO WE'LL DO OUR BEST.

SO AT WHAT LEVEL OF COUNCIL EXECUTES THAT MOU? DOES IT REQUIRE COUNCIL? DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT OR IS IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING? I MEAN, THE TOWN HAS MOUS WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT DON'T GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.

FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THINK BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE CREATION OF THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THAT COULD BE PART OF OUR HISTORY FOR A LONG TIME.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT COME BEFORE YOU ALL SO THAT YOU CAN READ ALL THE IFS, ANDS AND DOES AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BECAUSE THAT DOCUMENT WILL HELP US IN CRAFTING THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS TO FOLLOW SOON THEREAFTER.

SO IF WE COULD TRY TO GET COUNCIL, IF WE COULD TRY TO GET THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

I THINK WE JUST NEED A TARGET, RIGHT? INSTEAD OF KEEPING KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, I SET A TARGET.

I THINK WE GAVE AND GOT A TARGET OF FEBRUARY 5TH.

OKAY. I'M ON IT.

ALL RIGHT, GOT IT.

I HAVE A YES, MA'AM.

ALIBI. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MEMBERS OF YOUR TASK FORCE FOR QUITE A WHILE.

WE'VE STARTED SOME THINGS, LIKE THE WHAT I'M CALLING THE NEW INTERPRETATION IN THE GIBSON GRANT CABIN. ARE Y'ALL OKAY WITH US STILL WORKING TO DO THAT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT? I MEAN, THEY'RE BASICALLY VOLUNTEERS FOR THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW HELPING US.

ARE Y'ALL OKAY WITH THAT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, PERFECT.

YEAH. CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITHIN THE THE SCOPE THAT WE'VE GIVEN YOU GUYS.

YEAH. BECAUSE I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY EMAILS TO THE OTHERWISE RIGHT.

NOBODY'S BEEN UP HERE IN PUBLIC COMMENT COMPLAINING ABOUT ANYTHING.

SO I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING GOOD.

AND EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO FORMALIZE THIS AND GET AN MOU AND GET AN ORDINANCE, AND MOVE AHEAD.

WE'VE GOT A LOT TO DO.

WE HAVEN'T CLARIFIED IN THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR ANYTHING FOR THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

SO I'M GLAD THAT PEGGY MENTIONED THAT THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE SOMETHING THAT IS INCLUDED, IF IN FACT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE ACCEPTABLE TO THEM PARTICIPATING IN AND MAKE SURE IT'S ALL BUTTONED UP.

YEP. OKAY.

EXCELLENT. GREAT.

MR. L, SORRY, JUST JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

SO IN THE WORK SESSION, WE'VE ALREADY MOVED ON FROM PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOUR NAME IS UNFORTUNATELY NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.

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SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE ON.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

AND IF I DO THAT THEN I'M SETTING PRECEDENCE GOING FORWARD.

AND I REALLY APOLOGIZE MR. L BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S UN WE'VE ALREADY MOVED ON.

SORRY. WELL, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CALL ME, EMAIL ME, WHATEVER.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO MOVING FORWARD ON THAT.

SO WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, OUR TOWN SIGN REGULATIONS, AND MISS JOELLE HAINLEY.

SO SHE'LL BE COMING UP TO THE MICROPHONE.

DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ON THE TOWN SIGN REGULATIONS.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL JOELLE HAINLEY, BUILDING OFFICIAL WITH THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND.

WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME UPDATES TO OR POTENTIAL UPDATES TO OUR CURRENT SIGN REGULATIONS.

LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON ANY AND ALL OF THIS.

SO FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN, STOP ME ANYWHERE AND WE'LL TAKE SOME NOTES.

SO THE THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE IS, TO ENCOURAGE AND PROMOTE A SIGNAGE ELEMENT OF THE TOWN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HIGH AESTHETIC STANDARDS ESTABLISHED IN OTHER STANDARDS OF THE TOWN'S DEVELOPMENT.

THE REGULATIONS OF THIS CHAPTER ARE INTENDED TO BE A POSITIVE TOOL TO ACCOMPLISH THIS PURPOSE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS AS WELL AS THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND ARE NOT DESIGNED TO DISCOURAGE OR INHIBIT ESTHETICALLY PLEASING SIGNAGE, DESIGN, MATERIALS AND PLACEMENT.

SO THE THINGS THAT, I HAVE ON THIS, PRESENTATION TO PRESENT TONIGHT ARE, END OR CORNER TENANT SIGNAGE, LARGE REAL ESTATE SIGN RENEWAL, SEPARATING CANOPY AND AWNING SIGNS.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.

MASONRY BORDER AROUND GROUND SIGNS.

A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REQUESTS FROM OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THEIR SIGNAGE.

SUBDIVISION ENTRY SIGNAGE.

THAT'S RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN AT THE END, THERE'S A FEW CLEANUP ITEMS THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO.

SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA YOU HEARD FROM THE DENTIST.

THAT'S HOW THIS ITEM GOT PUT ON THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS END OR CORNER TENANT SIGNAGE.

SO CURRENTLY THE TOWN'S CODE OF ORDINANCES ONLY ALLOWS END OR CORNER TENANTS THAT ARE WITHIN A CORNER DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS FRONTAGE ON AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR STREET TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SIGN ON THEIR SIDEWALL.

SO THE.

THERE. THERE'S LOTS OF OPTIONS, BUT I THINK WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST WOULD BE JUST TO REMOVE THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THAT SECONDARY FRONTAGE, IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, AND JUST ALLOW ALL END OR CORNER TENANTS TO PLACE A WALL SIGN ON THE SIDEWALL.

ARE THERE ANY IS THERE ANY NUANCE IN HIS REQUEST SINCE HE'S ON LIKE THAT PRIVATE STREET THAT HE'S KIND OF ON A SECOND STREET, BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY A COLLECTOR.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD MAKE THE EXCEPTION FOR? SURE. I MEAN, WE COULD CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO, LIKE, TAKE OUT ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR.

AND JUST IF HE'S ON ANOTHER STREET, THEN HE HAS THAT.

ADDITIONAL I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THERE'S SO MANY POSSIBILITIES THAT IT'S HARD TO KIND OF CAPTURE THEM ALL.

BUT IF WE TOOK OUT THE WHOLE THING, DOES THAT OPEN IT UP TOO MUCH? I'M NOT REALLY SURE.

I MEAN, SO WHEN I WAS ON BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, WE HAD THE CHICK FIL A THAT CAME UP WHO WAS NOT ON A CORNER LOT WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY REQUESTED ORIGINALLY THREE SIGNS, AND WE ULTIMATELY GRANTED THEM TWO SIGNS, ONE FOR, THE SIDE AND ONE FOR THE FRONT OR WHATEVER WE ENDED UP WITH. BUT, ISN'T THAT ALSO AN OPTION FOR, BUSINESS OWNERS TO GO THROUGH THAT ROUTE AS WELL? IT IS.

IN ORDER TO GET A VARIANCE, YOU'RE REALLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE RELATED TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF THAT, REQUIRES YOU TO.

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I MEAN, HE WAS SAYING, WELL, CULVER'S HAD TWO SIGNS AND MCDONALD'S HAD TWO SIGNS, SO I NEED TO GET TWO SIGNS.

SO, YEAH, WE HEAR A LOT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LEASE OR, YOU KNOW, PURCHASE A BUILDING THAT WANT A SIGN, AN ADDITIONAL SIGN ON A SIDEWALL.

AND A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR STREET, SO YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL SIGN.

AND THEN THERE WAS THE DAYCARE THAT WAS BEHIND THE, O'REILLY'S UP ON 407 THAT THEY PUT THE THE SIGN ORIGINALLY ON THE SIDE OF THAT FACED 407, BUT THEN THEY HAD NO SIGN AT THE FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING BECAUSE IT WAS SIDEWAYS.

RIGHT. AND I THINK WITH THE THE FOUNTAIN PARK.

I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THOSE THEY'RE NOT.

THEY'RE JUST FIRE LANES IN THERE.

THEY'RE NOT EVEN STREETS.

THEY'RE NOT. SO IT IT WOULDN'T HELP THIS SITUATION TO MODIFY THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW IT IF IT'S ADJACENT TO ANY STREET, BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT ACTUALLY THEY'RE ALL ADDRESSED ALONG PRAIRIE ROAD.

SO THEIR FRONTAGE IS ALL ALONG PRAIRIE.

THEY DON'T HAVE BECAUSE EVEN LIKE EVEN A STREET THAT'S NOT AN ARTERIAL COLLECTOR YOU CAN ADDRESS OFF OF, BUT THOSE ARE JUST FIRE LANES WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT.

I'D BE CONCERNED IF WE GAVE IT TO ANY STREET AT ALL.

IF WE HAD PROXIMITY BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL THAT IT COULD AFFECT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULD PUT A SIGN THERE THAT MAYBE THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD OBJECT TO IT AS WELL, POTENTIALLY.

I MEAN, SO THERE'S SOME DOES THAT SEEM TO HAVE NEED SOME SORT OF RESTRICTIONS? IT SHOULDN'T BE A WIDE OPEN GAME, BUT I THINK WE COULD CRAFT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE LENIENT THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT IT TODAY.

WILL IT BE POSSIBLE THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING IT'S NOT ALLOWED AT ALL TO SAY THAT IF YOU WANT A SECOND SIGN, HERE'S A MECHANISM TO RUN IT THROUGH COUNCIL OR, YOU KNOW, A WAY TO GIVE THEM A PATH FORWARD WHERE WE STILL HAVE THAT DISCRETION, BUT IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THEM TO GET IT DONE.

YOU MEAN ONLY IF IT'S ADJACENT OR FACING A RESIDENTIAL STREET? YEAH, WHATEVER WE WANT. YEAH, BUT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE.

I THINK THAT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE SIGN, BECAUSE IF IT WERE ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE, I WOULDN'T WANT A LIGHTED SIGN SHINING IN.

ESPECIALLY NOW I KNOW THE NEON ISSUE, BUT LEDS CAN BE JUST AS BRIGHT AND JUST AS COLORFUL AS NEON, SO I DEFINITELY WANT SOME PROTECTIONS FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL.

COME ON. COME INTO YOUR BAG OF TRICKS [INAUDIBLE].

SO. OKAY.

WE COULD MAYBE WORD IT LIKE END OR CORNER TENANTS.

CAN HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SIGN ON THE SIDEWALL, EXCEPT FOR THOSE THAT ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES.

IN THE CASE OF, FOUNTAIN PARK DENTAL.

SO HE HE NEEDS A SIGN THAT FACES HIS ENTRANCE, AND HE NEEDS A SIGN THAT FACES A SECOND SIGN THAT FACES AN ARTERIAL ROAD.

COULD THAT BE A WAY OF STRUCTURING IT? LIKE YOU HAVE A SIGN FOR YOUR THE ENTRANCE OF YOUR BUILDING AND AN ADDITIONAL SIGN FACING AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROAD? SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP HERE, HE'S I MEAN, HE CLEARLY CAN'T TAKE THE SIGN OFF THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S FACING 2499, BUT HE CAN'T TAKE THE SIGN OFF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

THAT'S WHERE HIS DOOR IS. SO IT'S IT IS KIND OF A PROBLEM THAT I CAN SEE THAT YOU WOULD WANT AN EXCEPTION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO SEND EVERYBODY TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THOUGH.

THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'D BE KIND OF A GIVE HIM SOMETHING TO DO.

YEAH, YEAH. NO.

YOU WANT MEETINGS? IT'S ONLY ONCE A MONTH.

I'D LIKE TO STREAMLINE IT WHERE APPROPRIATE, BUT STILL MAINTAIN PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENTS.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE PATRONIZING THESE BUSINESSES AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WHERE IS IT NOW? WHAT DOOR DO I GO IN? I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SIGN OVER THE BUILDING OR OVER THE ENTRANCE.

I THINK, YEAH, THE REQUIREMENT.

AND I CAN UNDERSTAND A BUSINESS OWNERS WANTING VISIBILITY OFF OF 2499 OR ANY ARTERIAL OR YOU KNOW.

THIS WAS [INAUDIBLE] THE SAME THING THEY WERE DEALING WITH, RIGHT? THEY HAD AND SAME WITH EVA, THEY HAVE AN ENTRANCE AND THEY HAVE A FRONTAGE FACING 407.

SO IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH A UNIVERSAL STANDARD THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THIS.

BUT GOOD LUCK.

NOT NEAR A RESIDENTIAL AREA, NOT ELEVATED OFF THE GROUND.

WHAT WOULD ADJUSTING THIS WORDING ALSO, HAVE ALLOWED [INAUDIBLE] AND EVO OR EVA TO NOT COME TO COUNCIL.

YES. I'M ALL FOR LESS REGULATION, SO LET'S MAKE IT EASIER, OKAY.

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BUT YEAH I THINK IT'S BETTER.

YEAH. TO DO IT.

YEAH. SO I WANTED TO [INAUDIBLE] I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WILL BE I'LL BE WORKING WITH JOELLE ON THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON WHAT Y'ALL'S DIRECTION WAS.

SO IS EVERYONE IN AGREEMENT THAT YOU WANT TO SAY THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW IT A CORNER TENANT TO HAVE TWO SIGNS.

IF ONE IS OVER AN ENTRANCE AND ONE IS FACING THE ROAD FRONTAGE, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ADJACENT OR ACROSS FROM RESIDENTIAL.

IS THAT THE MESSAGE? YES. AND JOELLE, DO YOU THINK DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD ADDRESS MOST OF THE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GET ARE IS IT MORE AND JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, IS IT MORE JUST EVERYBODY THAT IS A CORNER TENANT WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE SECONDARY SIGN? THAT IS THAT IS WHAT WE HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE CORNER.

I WANT A SIGN ON THE SIDE.

YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A PARKING LOT NEXT TO ME, BUT.

SO IT MAY NOT BE AN ENTRANCE INVOLVED.

RIGHT? I ALMOST THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT MORE OPEN.

THIS CORNER TENANTS CAN LEAVE OUT THE ENTRANCE REFERENCE.

SO YEAH, I MEAN, WE COULD CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW END OR CORNER TENANTS TO HAVE THAT SECONDARY SIGN UNLESS THEY ABUT RESIDENTIAL USES.

AND THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR AND STILL SURE. GREAT. THANK YOU.

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MIGHT BE CONCERNED THAT IF WE DO THIS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE APPLYING, LIKE ARE WE ARE WE GOING DOWN LIKE A SLIPPERY SLOPE? LIKE IF WE CHANGE IT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE 500 APPLICATIONS OF, OH, I'M A CORNER TENANT AND NOW I NEED ANOTHER SIGN.

I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU LIVE THIS EVERY DAY, RIGHT.

LIKE WE DON'T DO IT EVERY DAY.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF THERE'S SOME CONCERNS THAT YOU'RE EXPRESSING THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

AND WE WHILE WE NEED TO MAKE THINGS FRIENDLIER AND A LITTLE BIT EASIER, I THINK WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD.

AND THEN WE FIND OURSELVES WITH SEVERAL EMAILS ABOUT NEW SIGNS.

I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE AN ISSUE.

WALL SIGNS ARE EXPENSIVE.

THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.

SO IF IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT HAS A SIDE WALL, BUT THERE'S REALLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY BENEFIT OUT OF PUTTING A SIGN ON IT, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO PAY THE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IT COSTS TO HAVE A SIGN MADE AND INSTALLED.

I THINK WHAT WE MOSTLY DEAL WITH ARE SIDE WALLS THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE, AND IT WOULD HELP THEM WITH THEIR BUSINESS, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY MEET THIS REQUIREMENT TO BE ADJACENT TO A COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL STREET.

SO THE BUSINESS OWNERS LIKE THIS SIGN WOULD HELP ME, BUT WE CAN'T LET THEM HAVE IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A RUSH OF SIGNS BECAUSE OF THE COST INVOLVED, IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BENEFIT THE BUSINESS.

I DID THINK OF ONE OTHER THING.

I WOULD LIKE RESIDENTIAL TO INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY.

OKAY. AND ANY RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY. SO WE'RE CRYSTAL CLEAR.

GOT IT. OKAY.

SO THIS IS A A STAFF SUGGESTION.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWO TYPES OF LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD THINK OF AS LARGE REAL ESTATE SIGNS.

SOME OF THEM ARE CONSIDERED DEVELOPMENT SIGNS.

SO THAT IS FOR ADVERTISING NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING SOON.

THOSE HAVE A ONE YEAR EXPIRATION.

THEY HAVE TO RENEW THOSE EVERY YEAR WITH US.

IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT THEM, MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL IN GOOD SHAPE, MAKE SURE IT'S STILL SAYS THE SAME THING.

IT'S NOT PEELING OFF. AND THE OLD SIGNS SHOWING FROM BEHIND.

AND, SO WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS FOR JUST LARGE REAL ESTATE SIGNS.

SO IF YOU'RE SELLING A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY YOU CAN HAVE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE ONES THAT YOU PUT IN A RESIDENTIAL YARD, BUT LIKE A BIG REAL ESTATE SIGN THERE'S CURRENTLY NO EXPIRATION ON THOSE.

SO WE'RE SUGGESTING TO JUST IMPLEMENT THAT SAME PROCESS WITH DEVELOPMENT SIGNS.

YOU RENEW IT ANNUALLY AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY IS STILL FOR SALE, THE SIGN IS STILL IN GOOD SHAPE.

IT'S A VERY MINIMAL COST.

I THINK IT'S $20 IT'S STILL IN GOOD SHAPE, BUT IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, NOT A COME TO HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL.

NO. IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE.

THAT'S OUR SUGGESTION.

GOOD. OKAY.

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AND WE ARE SEEING A LOT MORE OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THAT BOTTOM PICTURE IN CONSTRUCTION THESE DAYS, JUST THAT LOOK AND FEEL. AND REALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REGULATIONS FOR AWNING AND CANOPY SIGNS, THEY'RE REALLY MORE DESIGNED FOR AND THE LIKE, THE DEFINITION IS MORE LIKE THE, THE PICTURE ON THE TOP WHERE IT'S THOSE FABRIC WITH A METAL STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH.

SO STAFF IS PROPOSING TO SPLIT THOSE APART AND, HAVE TWO DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS, YOU KNOW, AWNINGS, THE FABRIC STRUCTURES AND THEN CANOPIES AND CANOPIES WOULD BE MORE OF A PERMANENT STRUCTURE AND MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THAT YOU COULD PUT YOUR WALL SIGN ON THAT, IF THAT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE YOU HAVE ON THE FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING.

[INAUDIBLE] AND THEN ALSO IN THIS ORDINANCE, THERE'S SOME, LIKE REAL OLD, REQUIREMENTS FOR, THE FONT WHICH WE NEED TO TAKE OUT OF THE ORDINANCE.

YEAH.

BUT THIS IS OUR CURRENT CODE OF ORDINANCES REQUIRES A MASONRY BORDER AROUND MONUMENT SIGNS, GROUND SIGNS.

JUST THIS IS FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED THAT, YOU KNOW.

THE MORE MODERN LOOK AND FEEL IS WHAT'S IN RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT'S THAT'S THE REQUEST FROM BUSINESS OWNERS IS TO REMOVE THAT.

WHAT THEY CONSIDER OUTDATED LOOK OF THE MASONRY.

YOU MEAN A MASONRY BORDER AROUND THE COMPLETE SIGN? AND SO THE THE.

THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE IN LIEU.

THERE WOULD STILL BE MASONRY REQUIRED.

WE COULD WRITE THAT FOR SURE IN THE ORDINANCE.

RIGHT NOW IT SAYS THERE HAS TO BE A MASONRY BORDER AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE SIGN.

I DON'T THINK THESE ARE TERRIBLE, BUT I DO LIKE THE PERMANENCE OF MASONRY.

SOME MASONRY. AT LEAST AROUND THE BASE.

WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, MASONRY COMPLETELY SURROUNDING IT PROBABLY IS A LITTLE MORE OLD SCHOOL.

CAN WE ADD LIKE A PERCENTAGE OR SOMETHING? WE. YES, WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT THAT IN THE ORDINANCE.

WRITE THAT INTO THE. IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T DO IT.

IT JUST MEANS IT ISN'T REQUIRED.

SO IF THEY CHOSE TO BUT IT IS A DATED LOOK.

YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH EITHER ONE OF THESE.

YEAH, THESE ARE FINE. SO IF IT WAS 50% MASONRY REQUIRED, BUT THEY DID IT ON THE BOTTOM THAT THEY COULD STILL HAVE A PRETTY SHARP.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, CHRIS LIKE IF IT WAS 50% MASONRY, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

YEAH. BECAUSE I'M THINKING THEY COULD JUST PUT A TINY BIT.

WELL, WELL 50% IS HALF.

IT'S NOT TINY. YEAH.

BUT BUT THE ONE ON THE LEFT HERE I MEAN THAT'S GOT MASONRY IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE BASE BUT IT'S DEFINITELY LESS THAN.

IT'S LESS THAN 25% IS MY GUESS.

IT'S WAY LESS THAN THAN 50%.

AND PROBABLY YOU'RE RIGHT 20%.

WELL WE JUST WANT TO SAY A MASONRY BASE.

NO. BECAUSE I MEAN YOU MIGHT WIND UP WITH, YOU KNOW, A ONE INCH BASE.

YEAH.

SO I PREFER, YOU KNOW, A 50% STANDARD WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL CAPTURE KIND OF OUR, OUR, ESTHETIC BUT AT THE SAME TIME GIVE SOME FLEXIBILITY.

BUT AND THE SCALE WOULD LOOK BETTER TOO.

BUT HONESTLY 50% OF WHAT.

NO. THE TOTAL SIGN LIKE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A SIX FOOT HIGH SIGN, JUST SAYING IT COULD BE.

I MEAN, YOU COULD BE TALKING ABOUT THREE FEET OF HEIGHT OF MASONRY.

RIGHT. MAYBE QUITE A BIT.

YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING 50% IS DEFINITELY WHERE WE NEED TO LAND, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST MASONRY IS PROBABLY TOO NONSPECIFIC.

I THINK 40-60 IS GOOD BECAUSE FROM AN ESTHETIC STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30, 40 TO 60 IS VISUALLY PLEASING IN THE DESIGN AND SO AGAIN Y'ALL DO THIS EVERY DAY RIGHT.

SO WHAT IS 50 TOO MUCH OR IT'S NOT ENOUGH.

IT'S A WORK SESSION.

SO WE NEED TO BE WORKING.

SO WORK IT.

SO LIKE MUCH HELP GUIDE COUNCIL TO BECAUSE CLEARLY WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT.

SO HELP US WITH GETTING TO AN ANSWER.

I MEAN I THINK IF YOU DID 50% THEN IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE MORE THAN YOU REQUIRE.

NOW IF RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A PERIMETER AROUND IT.

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I GUESS MAYBE WHAT I WAS THINKING OF WAS LIKE 50% OF THE PERIMETER.

NOT ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE STILL GET SUBSTANTIAL MASONRY.

YEAH. I'M NOT HUNG UP ON A NUMBER.

I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE INVISIBLE BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST DOING THE BARE MINIMUM SO HOW ABOUT IN THE PRESENTATION? YOU GIVE US SOME GRAPHICS.

THIS IS WHAT 25% LOOKS LIKE FOR SCALE 30, YOU KNOW, 50 WHATEVER.

JUST WELL, IT'S SOME PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME VISUALIZING AND A 50/50 WILL NOT LOOK RIGHT.

IT'S TOO CHOPPY.

IT WILL JUST NO ONE WILL WANT THAT.

I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH. IT'S TOO MUCH.

IT WON'T LOOK GOOD. SO 35, I THINK WE CAN JUST MAYBE YOU SHOW US, MOCK IT UP ON A SLIDE AND THEN WE CAN SEE.

RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN THE PUBLIC, IF THEY CAN WANT TO GIVE INPUT, THEY WILL.

SO. BUT OKAY, SO TODAY YOU COULD HAVE A LARGE SIGN, WHICH THE ENTIRE CENTER IS THE SIGN, AND YOU JUST HAVE A MASONRY OUTLINE AND THAT COVERS THE THE, THE SITUATION.

THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED WITH WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT HOW WE DO IT WITH A PERCENTAGE OR A BASE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IS.

I THINK THAT THEY'RE THE BUSINESS OWNER IS GOING TO WANT THE TOP TO BE MOSTLY NON MASONRY.

AND HOW DOES YOU KNOW? HOW DO YOU STRUCTURE THAT SO THAT YOU GET BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ONE STRIP OF MASONRY AT THE BOTTOM AND THAT'S IT.

BUT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT'S ESTHETICALLY PLEASING, BUT IT'S MORE FLEXIBLE THAN IT IS TODAY.

JUST SAY A MINIMUM OF, YOU KNOW, 30% OF THE FAÇADE MUST BE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

WELL, IF THEY IF WE DO THAT, THEN I THINK TO JIM'S POINT, WE RUN THE RISK OF THEM JUST THE, THE BOTTOM THIRD OR BOTTOM 30% IS JUST MASONRY AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE AND THE APPELLANT LANDSCAPE AROUND IT.

I THINK THAT'S THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING, ADAM, IS, YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T EVER SEE THAT.

THE CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCE ALLOWS ONLY 75% OF A GROUND SIGN TO BE USED FOR TENANT IDENTIFICATION SO SPEAKERS] MINIMUM OF 25% OF THE SIGN HAS TO BE TAKING AWAY THE BORDER, WHICH KIND OF IS MAYBE THAT'S THE SWEET SPOT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

OKAY. THIS IS TOUGH.

SO WHAT I ALWAYS GET CONCERNED ABOUT IS TRYING TO, DICTATE UNINTENTIONALLY, THE DESIGN.

AND IT'LL STILL ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE, THE, THE OWNERSHIP GROUP TO MEET THE NEEDS THAT THEY, THEY, THEY THINK THEY NEED FOR THE SIGNAGE BUT STILL HAVE THAT ESTHETIC APPEAL THAT THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL DESIRES.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME FEEDBACK IN TERMS WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE NOT BLINKING OFF ALL ALL THE STONE OR THE, THE MASONRY.

THERE IS SOME FEELING OF SOME FLEXIBILITY.

WE GO BACK AND FORTH ON PERCENTAGES.

BUT I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN TRY TO LOOK AT IT EXISTING EXAMPLES, SOME OF THE NEW REQUESTS THAT WE'VE SEEN, OTHER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND TRY TO COME UP WITH KIND OF A MOCK, IF YOU WILL, AND ALMOST LIKE A VISUAL PREFERENCE SURVEY THAT WE COULD BRING FORWARD, AT A FUTURE DATE ONCE, ONCE WE KIND OF VET THOSE, THOSE ITEMS. VERY WELL SAID. THANK YOU TOMMY.

OKAY. WE HAVE RECEIVED A COUPLE OF REQUESTS FROM LEWISVILLE ISD.

OF COURSE, IF WE ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE, WE WOULD JUST DO IT FOR BOTH ARGYLE AND LEWISVILLE ISD OBVIOUSLY.

ONE OF THE REQUESTS IS, SPECIFICALLY TO THE NINTH GRADE CAMPUS, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE FOR ALL SCHOOLS, BUT TO FOR THEM TO DO SIMILAR TO OUR RECOGNITION OF MILITARY SERVICE THE BANNERS THAT WE DO ON OUR, LIGHT POLES, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE ON THEIR PARKING LOT POLES, BUT FOR THEIR CHAMPIONSHIP FLAGS OR AN ATHLETE RECOGNITION.

NO ADVERTISING.

IT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF A STUDENT WON, AN ATHLETE WON AN AWARD, THEIR FACE AND WHAT AWARD THEY WON

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ALL OF THE LIGHT POLES.

WELL, I MEAN, WE COULD LIMIT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE LIGHT POLES IN STRATEGIC LOCATIONS, BUT I DON'T WANT ALL OF THEM PLASTERED.

AND THEN I ALSO, I UNDERSTAND NO ADVERTISING, BUT I WOULD ALSO WANT THAT TO BE EXTENDED TO NO SPONSORSHIP SIGNS LIKE ATHLETE OF THE MONTH, SPONSORED BY SO AND SO CAR DEALERSHIP OR WHATEVER.

I WOULDN'T WANT ANY OF THAT ALLOWED.

WHY DO WE ONLY HAVE THE SIGNS FOR UP LIKE THE, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL. OH, YOU'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE.

WELL, IT'S KIND OF IT'S RIGHT THERE.

THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK THE REAL ANSWER TO THAT IS THAT WHEN THE SIGN ORDINANCE WAS LAST MODIFIED, MARCUS HIGH SCHOOL ALREADY HAD A DIGITAL ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN, AND SO THEY MADE IT ALLOWED FOR HIGH SCHOOL.

WE MADE IT SO THAT THEY WERE LEGAL.

WOULD IT BE A GROUND SIGN LIKE THE MARCUS IS GROUND.

YES. YES, THEY WOULD ALL BE GROUND SIGN.

WE DON'T POLE SIGNS ARE PROHIBITED IN FLOWER MOUND.

OKAY. AND NOW, LAMAR, BECAUSE I REMEMBER GOING THERE LOTS OF TIMES IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL.

AND MANY OTHER SMALLER SCHOOLS MIGHT BE THAT TOO.

SO THE DIGITAL ASPECT OF IT AND THE LIGHTING, I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T IMPEDE AT ALL ON THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN.

I'D LIKE TO IT'S LIKE WHEN I DRIVE BY MARCUS AND THAT MARCUS NINE SIGN, SUCKER'S BRIGHT.

IS THERE A WAY WE COULD ADD, LIKE, HOURS TO IT? YEAH, THAT WAS ANOTHER THING I WAS.

CAN WE SAY TURN THIS THING OFF AT 11 OR 10 OR TURN IT ON AT 5? COULD WE REQUIRE LIMITED HOURS OF OPERATION? WE WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT THEN ENFORCEMENT MAY BE A, YOU KNOW, A CHALLENGE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE THAT.

I THINK IF THE NEIGHBORS WERE BOTHERED BY IT, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM LETTING US KNOW MAYBE.

YEAH, YEAH. I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST LISTEN.

NOW LAMAR IS ACROSS FROM A BIG PARK, SO THEIR THEIR SIGN LOCATION PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.

I THINK EXTENDING THIS TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS MIGHT BE A BRIDGE TOO FAR, JUST BECAUSE THEY REALLY ARE MORE EMBEDDED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I WOULD BE LESS INCLINED TO DO THAT UNLESS WE HEAR FROM THEM AND THEY BUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ONCE YOU OPEN IT UP, IT'S ALL OF THEM.

LIKE FOUNDERS HAS A SIGN, TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE A HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW.

SO IT'S ALL OF THEM AND THEY'RE ON.

RIGHT, RIGHT AND MOST OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS ARE.

SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT I DON'T WANT IS THE THING TO BE ON ALL NIGHT BLASTING, BLINKING.

AND PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO CLOSE ALL THEIR BLINDS ON THEIR FRONT DOOR BECAUSE THE SIGN A QUARTER MILE AWAY IS GOING CRAZY.

AND SO IF THERE'S ANY LANGUAGE WE CAN PUT IN THAT SORT OF LIMITS HOW FREQUENTLY IT CHANGES AND MAYBE PUT SOME HOURS OF OPERATION IN IT, THAT WOULD GET ME A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU GOT LIKE FLOWER MOUND ELEMENTARY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MULTIPLE HOMES, RIGHT? I WOULD NOT EXTEND THIS TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AT ALL.

AND BUT YOU'VE GOT OKAY OLD SIDE ORDERS DIGITAL ALPHA NUMERIC.

NUMERIC, RIGHT.

BUT I DON'T WANT ANY, LIKE LIVE SCREENS OF EVERYTHING LIKE EVENTS.

COULD WE TO THAT POINT, COULD WE DO, COULD WE LIMIT IT TO LIKE A ORANGISH YELLOW LED.

THAT COULD BE REALLY? AND CAN WE CONTROL THE LUMENS IN THE BRIGHTNESS? BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A LIGHT STANDARD, LIKE WE HAVE A LIGHT LIKE THE ONE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT PUT UP AN LED.

I MEAN, IT'S IT'S BIG, BRIGHT, FLASHY, MULTICOLOR AND I THINK THAT'S MORE DESTRUCTIVE.

AND THEY PUT IT FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES.

YEAH. BUT SO I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH WE HAVEN'T EVEN DEALT WITH THE POLES YET IF, IF WE.

YEAH WE SKIPPED THE POLES BECAUSE THAT WAS DIFFICULT.

NO I WAS JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT LIKE THE ONES THE TOWN PUTS IN THE MEDIANS.

IT'S YELLOWISH AND IT'S NOT SO BRIGHT.

SO IF WE COULD AND I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND COUNCIL IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, MAYBE WE JUST START WITH MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND INCREMENTALLY BUT.

SO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE FOR HIGH SCHOOLS, IT IT LIMITS SO OF THEIR 60 SQUARE FOOT SIGN, ONLY 32 SQUARE FOOT CAN BE THE DIGITAL ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD AND IT CANNOT BLINK, FLASH, SCROLL, OR CONTAIN MOVING OR ANIMATED PARTS, MESSAGES, OR COMPONENTS.

SO IT'S ALREADY ADDRESSED FOR HIGH SCHOOLS.

BUT MARCUS IS ON A BUSY ROAD WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GOING TO COMPLAIN, RIGHT? THIS IS A LITTLE MORE RISK WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS.

SO I THINK ADDING THAT PLUS THE HOURS OF OPERATION, AND I SPOKE WITH THE PRINCIPAL AND THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WITH HAVING SOME RESTRICTIONS.

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AND I'M SURE THE SOFTWARE, IF YOU CAN CONTROL IT FROM A SMARTPHONE, CAN PROBABLY TURN OFF AT 11 P.M.

AND TURN ON AT 5 A.M..

I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOURS, JUST BASED ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIMITATIONS YOU JUST READ OFF.

BUT I'M OPEN TO THAT.

THAT'S FINE TOO. AND NOT GIVING CARTE BLANCHE TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN EXPLORING IF WE GIVE IT TO MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND THEN HAVE A PROVISION TO WHERE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, IF THEY WANT IT, THEY COULD.

THERE'S A PROCESS, WE COULD EVALUATE IT AND POSSIBLY GIVE THEM A PATH IF IT MADE SENSE IN THAT LOCATION.

IF OTHERS ARE GOOD WITH THAT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

SO UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE TO THE OTHER, LIKE PRIVATE AND CHARTER SCHOOLS FALL UNDER THE SAME THING.

LIKE, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED FOUNDERS, BUT WHAT ABOUT CDA AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES? SO IF IT'S AN ACTUAL SCHOOL, THEN YES.

NOT DAYCARES.

DAYCARE IS A DIFFERENT USE, RIGHT? BUT SO PRIVATE PRIVATE SCHOOLS ALSO ARE SO CRYSTAL CLEAR OR WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE POLES.

YEAH. SO. BUT NOW, BEFORE WE GO BACK.

SO NUMBER TWO, ARE WE GOOD WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ON THAT FOR NUMBER TWO? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD EVEN BRING THIS UP, BUT CURRENTLY HIGH SCHOOLS ARE NOT LIMITED IN THEIR TIME THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR SIGN ON.

SO WHAT IF WE ADJUST IT TO INCLUDE MIDDLE SCHOOLS? WE CAN PUT OURS ON THE MIDDLE SCHOOL OR DO WE HAVE TO KEEP IT ALL THE SAME? VESTED RIGHTS. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A SIGN.

SORRY. THAT WAS I MEAN, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REALLY IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS.

WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.

NO I AGREE. MAYBE WE COULD WRITE SOMETHING IN THAT JUST SPOKE TO RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY LIKE LIMITATIONS WITH RESIDENTIAL WHEN THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY OR FOR NEW FOR NEW SIGN APPLICATIONS AFTER X DATE.

WELL YEAH I MEAN WE WOULD I THINK YOU BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SOME DISTANCE AND ADJACENCY THOUGH, BECAUSE LIKE MARCUS IS ACROSS IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY NECESSARILY HAVE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT.

YEAH, IT'S AN ARTERIAL ROAD.

SO THERE'S A DISTINCTION THERE ON THE TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF ROAD THAT IT'S ON.

GOOD. EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT.

I THINK WE CAN, LOOK AT SOME LANGUAGE.

OKAY. MR. DREW.

YEAH THAT'S FINE.

SO BACK TO NUMBER ONE.

SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF EVERY, BASKETBALL ARENA THEY PUT THE ENTIRE BASKETBALL TEAM, AND THEN THE ENTIRE FOOTBALL TEAM BY THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND THE WRESTLING TEAM BY THE WRESTLING DOORS AND AND ALL THAT.

SO WHILE I'M ALL INTO PROMOTING CHAMPIONSHIPS AND STUFF, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH, YOU KNOW, SO EITHER THE QUANTITY OR SPACE FROM THE ROAD OR DISTANCE FROM THE ROAD OR THE REQUEST IS FOR LIKE THE FABRIC SIGNS.

SO WE COULD LIMIT THEM TO ONE PER LIGHT POLE.

THE THOSE LIKE LIKE OUR MILITARY SERVICE SIGNS ON OUR LIGHT POLES.

SO IT'S TOO MUCH CHAOS.

IT'S VISUAL CHAOS, IN THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT.

WELL, AND OUR OUR LIGHTING ORDINANCE LIMITS THE NUMBER OF LIGHT POLES THEY CAN HAVE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.

SO THE MAP OF MARCUS'S.

YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT FLOWER MOUND WE GOT SOME BIG PARKING LOTS.

IT'S BIG, I THINK ONLY THE ONES MAYBE THE LIGHT POLES CLOSEST TO THE ACTUAL BUILDING.

YEAH. THE ENTRANCE. SO IT'S VISUALLY TIED IN AND YOU DON'T HAVE ALL OF THIS CHAOS OF ALL THESE SIGNS IN THIS WHOLE PARKING LOT.

AND WE KNOW THERE'S SIGN FATIGUE, TOO.

SO ACTUALLY, YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE SO OVERWHELMED BY SIGNS THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THEM ANYMORE.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE THAT MESS.

SO THAT'S TRUE.

THREE. THAT'S MY NUMBER.

I'D GO FOR THREE SIGNS OKAY.

YEAH. AND THEN I THINK THEY SHOULD THREE TOTAL.

AND YEAH THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ROTATE.

AND I KIND OF WONDER IF THAT WE SHOULD BE GOING OUT EVERY YEAR TO LOOK AT THIS TATTERED SIGN AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL IN GOOD SHAPE.

WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE UP THAT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ROTATE THEM AROUND.

I WOULD HOPE SO. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO PUT A WHOLE TEAM A BANNER FOR EACH ONE, THEY DON'T NEED TO TURN IT INTO A FUNDRAISER WHERE THE PARENTS HAVE TO BUY A BANNER FOR THEIR KID TO PUT ON THE LIGHT POLE.

I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER WHOLE MESS

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AND IT'S CHAOTIC AND IT WON'T LOOK GOOD.

BUT I'M NOT TOTALLY OPPOSED TO ALL THE IDEA . NO, THREE PER PARKING LOT I COULD GO FOUR, MAYBE.

BECAUSE MOST CAMPUS BUILDING MULTIPLE PARKING LOTS.

I JUST THINK THEY SHOULD BE CLOSE TO THE BUILDING TO BE VISUALLY TIED IN, AND NOT JUST THIS CHAOTIC THING ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I DON'T WANT THEM ALL.

AND IN THE INTERIOR, WHICH MEANS LIKE THE BACK.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALL IN THE FRONT, RIGHT? THERE'S A FLOWER MOUND FLOWER MOUND HIGH SCHOOL MAN.

MARCUS HAS DOZENS AND DOZENS.

ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE.

SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT REGULATING SIGNS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER, THE LOCATION AND THE SIZE.

AND AS IT RELATES TO THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND THE USE OF THE, THE LIGHT STANDARDS TO HAVE THESE BANNERS, I THINK YOU CAN DO ALL THREE OF THOSE AND YOU WOULD REGULATE IT BY THE, BY THE SCHOOL, BY THE SITE, NOT I THINK WE GET START, YOU KNOW, SLICING UP PARKING LOTS OR AREAS NEXT TO SCHOOLS.

I MEAN, OR THE PARKING LOTS NEXT TO STREETS OR WHATEVER.

THEN IT COULD GET PRETTY CONFUSING, AND LABORIOUS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT.

BUT, I WOULD LIMIT IT TO THE SITE AND THEN NUMBER, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, LOCATION, IF IT'S NEXT TO THE BUILDING OR WITHIN SO MANY FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR AN ADJACENT PUBLIC STREET.

AND THEN THE SIZE NOT TO EXCEED WHATEVER A TYPICAL LIGHT STANDARD BANNER IS.

GOOD. AND JUST IT SAYS SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING. SO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN ON THE SLIDE THOUGH, IT'S THE DISTRICT.

YEAH. WHICH WOULD MEAN EVERY SCHOOL.

RIGHT. YEAH. YOU COULD RESTRICT IT TO YOU COULD JUST SAY HIGH SCHOOLS ONLY YOU COULD DO A LOT OF THINGS.

I THINK THE WHAT THIS WAS ORIGINALLY REQUESTED FOR, JUST TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL KNEW LIKE THE BASIS OF THE REQUEST, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO WORK FOR WHAT THEY WERE WANTING TO DO. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PUT A TON OF EFFORT INTO FIGURING OUT HOW TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THREE SIGNS IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT AT ALL, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN DO.

I THINK THEY WERE WANTING TO RECOGNIZE, LIKE THE MEMBERS OF THEIR BASEBALL TEAM THAT WON, LIKE THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, AND SO WANTED TO HAVE EACH OF THOSE MEMBERS ON A PENNANT AS YOU WERE DRIVING UP TO THE BASEBALL FIELD.

AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE VISION.

SO YOU COULD HAVE MAKE SURE YOU ALL HAVE THAT IN YOUR MIND WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING WHAT YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH.

SO YOU COULD BE TALKING 20, 30 SIGNS IF YOU WILL POTENTIALLY.

OR IF THEY DID FOOTBALL, A WHOLE LOT.

AND IF THE IF THE IDEA IS THAT ALL INTRIGUING, WE CAN REACH BACK OUT TO THE SCHOOL AND SAY PUT, PUT IT IN WRITING WHAT YOU WANT.

GIVE US A LETTER, OUTLINE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

LET'S GET INTO THE DETAILS.

AND THEN WE COULD ALWAYS BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL.

BUT IF WITH WITH THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE FROM LEXIN, YOU'RE KIND OF LIKE, YEAH, THAT SEEMS LIKE TOO MUCH, THEN WE CAN JUST MOVE ON.

WELL, I REALLY THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH.

AND THAT GOES BACK TO MY THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO BUY THE BASEBALL FIELD AND THEN THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND THEN THE WRESTLING DOORS AND THEN THE CHEER DOORS, AND THEN AND IT'LL BE A FUNDRAISER, AND THEN SOME SPORTS WILL BE LEFT OUT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I JUST BUT SHOULD WE I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO JUST ARBITRARILY SAY NO EITHER, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO ALL OF THEM.

AND I DON'T WANT TO DO IT LIKE ROSTER BASED.

I THINK I'D BE INTERESTED IF WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT ABOUT SOME POLES CLOSER TO THE BUILDING, LIKE WITH THE SPECIFICATIONS TOMMY SUGGESTED.

I'M OPEN TO THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO ALL OF THEM LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GO BACK TO BOTH.

ARGYLE AND LEWISVILLE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND INQUIRE TO SEE WHAT ARE YOU REALLY WANTING, AND THEN BRING THAT BACK AND WE CAN SAY YAY OR NAY. BECAUSE THREE I THINK IS TOO LITTLE 30 OF THEM IS GOING TO BE A LOT.

WHAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER? AND IF IT IF IT CAN ONLY BE 10 IF WE ARRIVE AT 10 IS THAT THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO BOTHER WITH IT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT'S TOO RESTRICTIVE. OKAY, CHRIS, DID YOU HEAR THAT? SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR.

YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.

ALL RIGHT. BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE.

THERE IS. SO WE'VE RECENTLY, RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM A SUBDIVISION, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY AN OLD PICTURE T HE CURRENT, THE SIGN IN THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH A DIGITAL ELECTRONIC SIGN.

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THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS NOT EVERY SUBDIVISION HAS THE BENEFIT OF A SIGN LOCATED KIND OF IN A LOCATION WHERE IT'S SOMETHING HUNG ON THE BACK OF THAT ENTRYWAY SIGN IS GOING TO BE READILY VISIBLE FROM THOSE RESIDENTS.

AND THERE'S A SUBDIVISION JUST DOWN THE STREET HERE THAT THE SUBDIVISION SUBDIVISION ENTRY WALL SIGNS ARE ON THE CORNERS.

SO I THINK IF YOU WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, I THINK THOSE SUBDIVISIONS THAT DON'T HAVE THIS PARTICULAR OPPORTUNITY WILL COME FORWARD AND ASK FOR A SEPARATE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH ITS RESIDENTS, SO WE SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR THAT AT LEAST.

AND AND JUST TO GIVE SOME MORE INFORMATION TO OUR SIGN ORDINANCE ACTUALLY PROHIBITS SIGNS ATTACHED TO OTHER SIGNS.

SO THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION WOULD NOT IT WOULD BE A FREESTANDING CHANGEABLE SIGN.

THE THE QUESTION TO COUNCIL IS JUST IS, IS THAT OF INTEREST TO PUT THAT IN THE ORDINANCE FOR HOAS.

WAS THIS ONE EVER APPROVED? OH NO. THAT'S WHY THEY WROTE TO US BECAUSE THEY GOT IN TROUBLE.

OKAY. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF FREESTANDING SIGNS JUST WILLY NILLY EVERYWHERE.

AND HONESTLY, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, THERE ARE MANY OTHER FORMS OF COMMUNICATION.

YOU KNOW, FACEBOOK MESSAGE BOARDS, PRIVATE EMAILS, JUST SO MANY WAYS TO COMMUNICATE.

YEAH, A LOT OF THE TIME THESE MONUMENTS ARE RIGHT IN SOMEBODY'S FRONT YARD, TOO, AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE A SCENARIO THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP WITH ONE IN SOMEBODY'S FRONT YARD AND THEY'RE COMPLAINING AND THEY FIND OUT THE TOWN JUST ALLOWED IT.

I MEAN, THE MONUMENTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ARE ALL IN PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS.

THEY'D BE LOOKING RIGHT. THESE SIGNS WOULD BE FACING RIGHT IN THEIR LIVING ROOM.

SO, IT WOULDN'T WORK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S FOR SURE.

I DON'T CAN'T SAY I HATE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE ASSUMING THAT THIS IS JUST, AN ENTRANCE.

I MEAN, THIS ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK IS VERY BENIGN.

AND I HAVE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS, THEY REALLY LIKE IT.

THEY'RE USED TO IT. THEY LIKE IT.

THEY UPGRADED TO DIGITAL BECAUSE WHO WANTS TO PUT THE LETTERS OUT REALLY? BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT AN APPLICATION PROCESS? I MEAN, IT'S A LOT TO BRING TO A COUNCIL, BUT I KNOW, I KNOW WELL, AND THEN YOU GOT THE WELLINGTON ONES THAT ARE LIKE RIGHT IN THE ROAD AND THE MEDIAN, AND THAT'S TECHNICALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRANCE SIGN RIGHT OFF OF.

ISN'T THAT IN A RIGHT OF WAY, 3040.

IS THAT OUR RIGHT OF WAY? THE RIGHT OF WAY. YEAH.

WELL, SO THEY CAN'T HAVE IT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT'S FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND 60FT².

IT'S HUGE. YEAH, THAT'S TOO MUCH.

IT'S WAY TOO MUCH. OKAY.

SAY IT OUT LOUD. I'M OKAY WITH IT IF THEY YEAH, I JUST THINK WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS.

RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S WE'RE STARTING TO GET ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO CHANGE THE FABRIC AND THE LOOK OF THE OVERALL TOWN WITH ALL THESE CHANGES AND ADDING SIGNS AND FLAGS AND LEDS AND, YOU KNOW AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WROTE EARLIER WAS, YOU KNOW, LEADING BY EXAMPLE.

RIGHT. AND SO I KNOW THAT FOR THE TOWN, EVENTS THAT WE PUT SIGNS IN THE MEDIANS AND STUFF AND THAT'S GREAT.

BUT WE ALSO THE TOWN HAS FLASHING LED SIGNS IN THE MEDIANS TOO.

RIGHT? SO I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE LEADING BY EXAMPLE AND WE'RE GOING TO START CHANGING, I JUST THINK I WOULD JUST CAUTION COUNCIL ON THERE'S NO REAL SENSE OF URGENCY.

RIGHT. WE WANT TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK THIS IS A LOT TO DIGEST THAT WITH ALL THESE SIGN CHANGES PERSONALLY.

I'M ALSO OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME SORT OF APPLICATION PROCESS WHERE WE COULD REVIEW IT.

[INAUDIBLE] WELL, TEDIOUS FOR THEM TO DO THAT, BUT.

IF YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME STANDARDS FOR THEM TO APPLY TO FOR.

WELL, YEAH, WE CAN DO WE CAN MAKE THE STANDARDS.

THEY'VE GOT SOME EXAMPLES.

BECAUSE WE HAVE WE DID THE CEMETERY SIGN.

AND THEN WE DID THE SUBWAY ONES.

AND WE'VE DONE WE HAVE APPROVED AND MADE EXCEPTIONS AND DONE THINGS SO.

I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO TO HAVE A STANDARD I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO ENVISION EVERY SINGLE SCENARIO, THAT OR EVERY POSSIBILITY THAT'S OUT THERE.

LIKE, ARE WE IS IT COST PROHIBITIVE TO SOMEBODY TO APPLY FOR A SIGN EXCEPTION TYPE THING LIKE.

[INAUDIBLE] SO RIGHT NOW THE MECHANISM WOULD BE A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE, WHICH WOULD COME BEFORE COUNCIL.

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AND IT, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION PLAN THAT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL.

SO IF COUNCIL, I MEAN.

THOSE SIGNS ALREADY HAVE TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND BE APPROVED ALL SUBDIVISION ENTRY SIGNAGE.

SO AT THAT TIME FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS, THEY COULD SAY, HEY, ON THE BACKSIDE, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT WILL YOU INCLUDE THAT? I'M I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THAT AS AN OPTION BECAUSE IT COMES BEFORE US.

IT DOESN'T REALLY COME BEFORE YOU ANYMORE BECAUSE WE CAN CREATE A SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN PROCESS, BECAUSE NOW PLATS ARE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY MIC] AND DON'T GO TO COUNCIL ANYMORE.

SO SO INSTEAD WE WROTE IN STANDARDS FOR SUBDIVISION SIGNS THAT CAN BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

I MEAN, WE COULD CREATE A IF YOU DON'T MEET THIS THE SUBDIVISION SIGN STANDARDS AND IT WOULD BE LIKE AN EXCEPTION T O APPLY FOR THE PLAT.

I GUESS YOU COULD TAKE THAT FORWARD AND REQUEST APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL.

SO CREATE IT AS A SEPARATE PROCESS INSTEAD OF, A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE.

AND THE COST WOULD BE LESS THAN A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE.

YES, I THINK IT WOULD, BECAUSE TYPICALLY A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE IS MEANT.

WHAT IT'S REALLY MEANT FOR IS WHEN YOU HAVE A WHOLE LIKE DEVELOPMENT IT'S LIKE, WE WANT TO PUT TOGETHER A WHOLE LIKE BRANDING FOR OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT, OUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT MORE REVIEW INVOLVED, IN LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNS THAT COULD BE INCLUDED AND SO THE COST IS, IS HIGHER FOR A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE. IT'S WHAT WE JUST DID FOR RIVERWALK, THE CHANGES.

SO. OKAY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK. WHAT IS THE COST EYEBALL ESTIMATE? CURRENTLY FOR A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE, I THINK IT'S AROUND $2,600.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE WAY SO MUCH FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN DO IT BUT AT THE SAME POINT, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT SAID EARLIER THAT THERE ARE OTHER VEHICLES TO COMMUNICATE TO YOUR RESIDENTS, SUCH AS FACEBOOK, BUT I'M JUST POINTING OUT THE OPTIONS THEY HAVE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO ANY OF THIS EXPENSE IF THEY DON'T WANT TO.

BUT I THINK THESE FOLKS DO WANT TO, SO WE SHOULDN'T MAKE IT $2,600 FOR THEM TO APPLY FOR THIS LITTLE SIGN.

SO OTHER THAN A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE, ARE THERE, IS THERE LIKE A SIMPLE SIGN PACKAGE OR IT JUST STARTS AT THE $2,600 LEVEL? NO, THAT IS THE THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT CURRENTLY.

THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION, THOUGH.

I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO CREATE A SEPARATE PROCESS TO REQUEST AN EXCEPTION THROUGH THE PLAT TO DO VARYING SUBDIVISION SIGNS, WE COULD DO THAT AND IT WOULD I DON'T DO NOT THINK IT WOULD BE $2,600.

I MEAN, THAT JUST WENT UP WHEN WE UPDATED ALL OF OUR FEES TO DO 100% COST RECOVERY.

SO, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE THIS WOULD NOT BE THE THE SAME LEVEL OF EFFORT, I DON'T THINK, TO REVIEW A SINGLE SIGN THAT IT WOULD BE WHEN WE TYPICALLY SEE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE.

SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE THE SAME COST I DON'T THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO UPCHARGE AS A DETERRENT, ESPECIALLY FOR FEE SCHEDULES.

IT HAS TO BE WHAT IT COSTS US.

IT'S IT'S A PASS THROUGH.

IT'S NOT A PROFIT ZONE OR A DETERRENT.

I'M MAKING A MARGIN ON THE SIGN.

NO, NO, NONE OF THAT.

BUT YOU COULD BE LIKE MY HOA AND JUST STICK A SIGN IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ILLEGALLY FOR THREE MONTHS.

LIKE THIS HOA HERE WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACCOMMODATE.

WE'RE TRYING TO DEREGULATE IT BY MAKING ANOTHER REGULATION.

BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT AFFORDS AN AVENUE FOR RESIDENTS YEAH, OKAY.

LESS COMPREHENSIVELY.

IS THAT A LOT OF I MEAN, IS THAT LEXIN IS THAT DID WE JUST ASK YOU TO DO, LIKE, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP, LIKE HIRING A CONSULTANT AND GETTING A STUDY AND THEN DOING THIS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A YEAR AND.

WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE WORKING IN.

[INAUDIBLE] I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WE SAY STUFF.

RIGHT. AND AGAIN YOU GUYS DO THIS EVERY DAY.

IT'S A LEGITIMATE I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T LIKE OH MY GOSH, NOW HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? BUT IT MAY TAKE US SOME TIME TO GET TO IT BECAUSE I MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT TO THAT POINT, IF JOELLE CAN GO BACK ONE SLIDE.

UH OH. DANGEROUS.

IF WE'RE LOOKING TO PROVIDE A PATH ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR A SITUATION SIMILAR TO THIS, TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD, THE ONE THING I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO POINT OUT

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IF YOU'VE EXAMINED IT CLOSELY, IT'S IT'S KIND OF HANGING ON THERE.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK THAT, COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR STANDARDS TO COVER KIND OF THAT, THAT AESTHETIC AND WORKMANSHIP THING TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN I DON'T KNOW WE HAVEN'T BRAINSTORMED IT YET, BUT I KNOW THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MEETING THE COUNCIL'S EXPECTATIONS AND THAT WE'RE WHATEVER THIS PROCESS BECOMES IS JUST NOT ANYTHING YOU BUY OFF THE SHELF AND STICK ON WITH 3M TAPE.

AND I THINK MAYBE 60 OR, YOU KNOW, 60FT², 6 FEET HEIGHT.

THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIG.

IT'S KIND OF BIG. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? I AGREE, OKAY.

I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.

YEAH. OKAY.

SMALL SIGN PACKAGE SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BRIAN.

I APOLOGIZE.

SPONTANEOUS UTTERANCE.

TOMMY, THAT WAS A GOOD POINT SO SO I THINK WE NEED TO ADJUST THE SIZE DOWN AND THEN COME UP WITH AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU CAN SHOW US.

YEAH. OKAY SIGN INSTALLERS.

SO THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE CHANGE THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.

SO WE CURRENTLY DON'T CHARGE A PROPERTY OWNER TO INSTALL A SIGN ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

A SIGN CONTRACTOR HAS TO REGISTER AND PAY A FEE IF THEY WANT TO INSTALL SIGNS IN FLOWER MOUND, A PROPERTY OWNER CAN PUT UP A SIGN ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY WITH A PERMIT WITHOUT PAYING THAT REGISTRATION FEE.

BUT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE LIKE, WE JUST WANT TO PUT UP OUR GRAND OPENING BANNER, BUT WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY.

THEY'RE JUST A TENANT IN THE BUILDING.

SO IF COUNCIL IS AMENABLE TO IT, WAIVING THAT $75 REGISTRATION FEE FOR BUSINESS OWNERS TO PUT UP TEMPORARY BANNERS ON.

THEIR PROPERTY WITH PERMITS AND, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. I'M OKAY. AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A PERMIT AND THEY FOLLOW THE RULES.

YES. WELL THE GRANT, LIKE THE GRAND OPENING, IF I THINK THERE'S A THING, IF YOU GET A NEW CEO, YOU HAVE 30 DAY EXCEPTION ALREADY FOR GRAND OPENING AND IT WOULD STILL BE A PERMIT.

THEY JUST WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY A REGISTRATION FEE AND REGISTER AS A SIGN CONTRACTOR.

I THINK JUST TO PUT A REASONABLE.

YEAH, YEAH.

THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE CLEANUP SECTION.

COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGES.

CURRENTLY, THE ORDINANCE SAYS OTHER THAN PROHIBITED SIGNS, BUT IN FACT, THE PURPOSE OF A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE IS FOR COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW SIGNS THAT WOULDN'T NORMALLY BE ALLOWED. SO SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT THAT WE ALREADY DO OFF PREMISE SIGNS.

SIGNS ON STREET LAMPS, PORTABLE SIGNS LIKE SANDWICH BOARD SIGNS, THOSE ARE ALL PROHIBITED IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

BUT WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF A CSP, THEY CAN BE PERMITTED IN A DEVELOPMENT.

SO OKAY, OKAY.

THIS IS JUST TO TAKE OUT, WALL SIGNS FOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOW ADDRESSED IN THE, SECTION 82340 FOR SUBDIVISION SITE PLANS.

AND THERE'S REQUIREMENTS IN THERE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED.

SO THAT'S JUST CLEANUP TO REMOVE THAT.

AND THIS SECTION JUST NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED.

IT JUST FALLS UNDER THE WRONG SECTION.

IT NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED.

SO THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THE CONVERSATION BEFORE.

SO EACH TENANT WITH EXTERIOR ACCESS SHALL BE PERMITTED WALL SIGNS IN COMPLIANCE WITH SUBSECTION A OF THIS SECTION.

AND THEN THIS NEEDS TO BE STRUCK BECAUSE WALL SIGNS T HIS TYPE OF WALL SIGN IS NOT IN LIEU OF AN ADDITIONAL WALL SIGN.

SO IT'S JUST CLEAN UP LANGUAGE TO MAKE THE ORDINANCE MAKE SENSE.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST, ADDING JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, A WALL SIGN ON THE SIDE WALL FOR EACH END OR CORNER TENANT THAT HAS SECONDARY FRONTAGE.

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MULTI-TENANT BUILDING COMPLEXES WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THESE IN FLOWER MOUND, BUT, SIMILAR TO OVER BY LIFETIME FITNESS, THERE'S A MEDICAL COMPLEX. SO CURRENTLY THE ORDINANCE SAYS THE BUILDING IDENTIFICATION WALL SIGNS LIMITED TO ONLY ONE BUILDING IN A COMPLEX, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE. IT SHOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEDICAL BUILDING ONE AND MEDICAL BUILDING TWO.

THEY WOULD EACH NEED THEIR OWN IDENTIFICATION SIGN.

SO JUST FIXING THAT AND THEN IT'S JUST A TYPO.

YOU NEED TO ADD THE WORD USE TO IDENTIFY A BUILDING.

COMING SOON AND NOW OPEN IS A PROPOSED CHANGE.

WE CURRENTLY ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO BOTH.

EVEN THOUGH THE ORDINANCE SAYS OR SO TENANTS, THEY CAN DO BOTH A COMING SOON SIGN AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE OPEN, THEY CAN DO A NOW OPEN SIGN.

SO AS A MATTER OF POLICY, WE'VE ALWAYS ALLOWED PEOPLE TO DO BOTH AS YOU WANT TO ADVERTISE BOTH.

THE ORDINANCE JUST SAYS OR SO WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT TO AND.

AND THAT IS IT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.

FURTHER DIRECTION. THE LAST PART WAS EASY.

JUST CLEAN UP ANY OTHER FURTHER CLARIFYING THINGS THAT WE NEED FOR JOELLE OR STAFF ON THOSE.

I WAS I WAS JUST GOING TO LET YOU ALL KNOW I LOOKED IT UP AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE IS ONLY $2,320 THERE YOU GO AGAIN, MUCH BETTER THAN $2,600.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

SO MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.

PUBLIC ART AND MURALS WITHIN THE TOWN.

LOOKS LIKE JP IS GOING TO LEAD US OFF.

WE'VE ALSO GOT TISH AND I THINK LEXIN MAYBE FOR SOME COMMENT.

YES, SIR. AND THANK YOU, MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL, OF COURSE.

WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC ART AND MURALS.

SO YOU ARE CORRECT THAT WE HAVE A TEAM, TO TACKLE THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO LEAD US OFF.

WE WILL HAVE TISH, SCHOOL US ALL ABOUT ART.

AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE LEXIN, AS WELL AS HOW THAT APPLIES TO OUR CODE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

JUST FOR A QUICK, BRIEF HISTORY.

I'LL MAKE SOME REFERENCES HERE.

WE'LL BE REFERENCING BOTH THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION AND THE CULTURAL ARTS MASTER PLAN AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A VERY BRIEF HISTORY.

WE'LL TRY TO GET THIS THIS GOING.

SO WE FIRST APPROVED A PUBLIC ARTS POLICY IN 2010.

AT THAT TIME, PUBLIC ART WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PALS BOARD.

SO THAT'S PARKS, ARTS AND LIBRARY SERVICES.

THE PALS BOARD WAS RENAMED TO THE PARKS BOARD IN 2016.

AND FOLLOWING THAT, IN 2017, THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION WAS FOUNDED.

AND OF COURSE, THEY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF RECOMMENDING AND FACILITATING PUBLIC ART WITHIN THE TOWN.

IN 2018, JUST FOLLOWING AFTER THE PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION WAS FOUNDED, THE TOWN APPROVED, THE CULTURAL ARTS MASTER PLAN.

SO THIS IS, OF COURSE, AN OVERARCHING PLAN FOR ALL ART HERE IN, IN FLOWER MOUND.

AND IT ALSO CAME WITH A GUIDE OF THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH AND DO.

AND THE RESULTS OF THAT IS YOU ACTUALLY SEE SOME OF THE RESULTS OF THAT IN THIS PRESENTATION.

AND THEN WHY ARE WE HERE TONIGHT? JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, THERE WAS A FUTURE AGENDA REQUEST FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL AND SUPPORTED BY COUNCIL AT THE OCTOBER 16TH MEETING.

AND ADDITIONALLY, THE MAYOR ALSO REQUESTED THAT WE, ROPE IN THE ONGOING CONVERSATION ON MURALS.

SO, WHAT'S THE GAME PLAN TONIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO GIVE TISH IS ABOUT TO COME UP HERE AND GIVE US ALL KIND OF A PUBLIC ART 101 AND OVERVIEW.

WE'VE TRIED VERY HARD TO KIND OF MAKE IT AS SUCCINCT, PRESENTATION ON THAT BECAUSE WE COULD TALK ALL NIGHT ABOUT ART HERE.

AND OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO FIRE AWAY.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF SEPARATE THIS DISCUSSION INTO TWO SEPARATE BUCKETS.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC ART ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE ART THAT WE HAVE HERE IN TOWN.

WE'RE GOING TO THEN TALK ABOUT PUBLIC ART ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE ROUTES THAT ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO INCLUDE ART, ON THEIR PROPERTY.

AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I'M GOING TO COME UP HERE, TRY TO SUMMARIZE WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED AND GET DIRECTION.

SO THIS IS A VERY WIDE TOPIC, PUBLIC ART.

SO, WE PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF OPTIONS FOR YOU, BUT REALLY, THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE BASED ON YOUR DIRECTION AND WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE.

AND THEN GOING BACK TO US TO GET THAT DONE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH TISH, AND AGAIN, SHE'S GOING TO GIVE US A PUBLIC ART ART OVERVIEW.

SHE'S GOING TO GO AND SHOW YOU SOME OF THE PUBLIC ART THAT WE HAVE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

I'LL COME BACK UP HERE AND WE'LL GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD.

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THANKS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PUBLIC ART.

I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH, BASICALLY SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT IS PUBLIC ART? ARTWORK IN ANY MEDIUM PLANNED AND EXECUTED OUTSIDE A GALLERY, WITHIN A PUBLIC SPACE, GENERALLY OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE TO ALL INDOORS FOR YEARS.

ATRIUMS. AIRPORTS OR SHOPPING CENTERS.

OUTDOORS, PARKS, SQUARES, FREEWAYS OR PLAZAS.

EXAMPLES OF PUBLIC ART.

MURALS. SCULPTURES, MEMORIALS.

INTEGRATED ARCHITECTURAL OR LANDSCAPE WORK.

COMMUNITY ART, DIGITAL NEW MEDIA, PERFORMANCES, AND FESTIVALS.

I'M GOING TO DESCRIBE A FEW TYPES OF PUBLIC ART.

I'M GOING TO GO FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.

PERMANENT PUBLIC ART IS INTENDED.

SORRY, I'M REALLY BAD WITH THE MICROPHONE.

INTENDED TO STAY IN POSITION FOR LONG PERIODS, SOMETIMES CENTURIES, OFTEN MEMORIALS.

TEMPORARY PUBLIC ART HAS A PREDETERMINED LIFETIME FROM A FEW HOURS TO SEVERAL YEARS.

STANDALONE PUBLIC ART IS DEFINED BY BEING THREE DIMENSIONAL AND INDEPENDENT OF OTHER STRUCTURES SUCH AS BUILDINGS.

A PUBLIC SITE SPECIFIC INSTALLATION DESCRIBES A SITUATION WHEN THE ARTWORK AND THE SITE ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT, EACH INFORMS THE OTHER.

AN INTEGRATED PUBLIC ARTWORK IS ONE THAT IS INCORPORATED INTO A STRUCTURE, SUCH AS A BUILDING, SEAT, STREETSCAPE, OR LANDSCAPE DESIGN.

ON THE OTHER HAND, AN APPLIED ARTWORK IS ONE THAT IS APPLIED DIRECTLY ON THE SURFACE.

PERFORMANCE BASED PUBLIC ART CAN INCLUDE DANCE, THEATER, MUSIC, AND OTHER LIVE ACTIONS IN A PUBLIC SPACE.

STATIC PUBLIC WORKS IS ANOTHER WORD FOR STILL SO ECSTATIC ARTWORK IS ONE THAT DOES NOT MOVE OR CHANGE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, KINETIC ARTWORK MOVES IN SOME WAY.

THE ARMS ON THIS SCULPTURE ARE CAREFULLY ENGINEERED TO CATCH EVEN THE GENTLEST AIR CURRENTS AND ROTATE IN AN ORGANIC MANNER.

EXAMPLES OF DIGITAL PUBLIC ARTWORK INCLUDE VIDEO PLAYED ON AN OUTDOOR SCREEN, OR COMPUTER GENERATED IMAGERY PROJECTED DIRECTLY ON THE SURFACE OF A BUILDING.

I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE PUBLIC ART THAT WE HAVE.

I'D LIKE TO START WITH HERITAGE PARK.

THIS WOULD FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF PERMANENT.

THE BRONZE ANIMALS ARE IS A SITE SPECIFIC INSTALLATION.

MOVING ON TO THE CAC IN GERAULT PARK, THIS IS A STATIC MURAL WHICH IS PERMANENT.

THE CAC MURAL WAS COLLABORATIVE, A COLLABORATION BETWEEN AN ARTIST AND A GIRL SCOUT TROOP.

MOVING ON TO GERAULT PARK, THE MURAL WAS DESIGNED TO RECOGNIZE A SOFTBALL AND BASEBALL PLAYERS WHO ACTIVELY PLAYED SOFTBALL OR BASEBALL, AND LIVED IN THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND. I'D LIKE TO SHARE TWO EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITY ART.

THE MURAL ON THE LEFT WAS PART OF THE ARTS FESTIVAL AT HERITAGE PARK.

A FLOWER MOUND ARTIST DESIGNED THIS MURAL, AND THE FESTIVAL GOERS WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO ADD THEIR OWN DESIGN ON AN INDIVIDUAL TILE, THEN STRATEGICALLY PLACED ON THE MURAL TO COMPLETE THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE OF THE TEMPORARY MURAL.

THE PLAYGROUND, ON THE OTHER HAND, AT FORT WILDFLOWER, WAS ASSEMBLED BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND PAINTED BY ARTISTS.

RHEUDASIL PARK THE ARTWORK, WHICH IS THE BRONZE OF MR. RHEUDASIL WOULD BE CONSIDERED A PERMANENT MEMORIAL.

THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BOX ART IS CONSIDERED APPLIED.

THE PROJECT ALLOWS RESIDENTS TO SUBMIT A DESIGN IN THREE CATEGORIES FLOWERS, DIVERSITY, AND CONNECTING THROUGH CREATIVITY.

EACH YEAR WE EACH YEAR WE WRAP THREE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BOXES.

THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION SELECTION COMMITTEE HELPS ME WITH DECIDING WHO WILL BE PLACED ON THOSE TRAFFIC BOXES.

THE CHALK THE WALK IS TEMPORARY.

THIS EVENT ALLOWS PARTICIPANTS TO BRING TO LIFE A MASTERPIECE OF THEIR OWN CHOICE ON THE SIDEWALK AT HERITAGE PARK.

WE HAVE ABOUT 90 TO 100 PARTICIPANTS FOR EACH ONE OF OUR TWO EVENTS.

THE ART WALLS ARE TEMPORARY.

ARTISTS ARE ALLOWED TO DISPLAY THEIR WORK FOR 2 TO 3 MONTHS.

THE ART WALK GIVES FIRST CHOICE TO FLOWER MOUND ARTISTS BEFORE REACHING OUT TO OTHER ARTISTS IN DENTON COUNTY.

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IT ACTUALLY BRINGS EVERYTHING TOGETHER THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

IT INCLUDES PERFORMERS, ART VENDORS, ARTS ACTIVITIES FOR ALL AGES, A COMMUNITY ARTS PROJECT, AND FOOD TRUCKS.

OKAY, I APPRECIATE IT.

AND THEN I'M JUST GOING TO JUST SUMMARIZE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT TISH SAID AND OF COURSE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

I THINK WHAT YOU SAW HERE IN FLOWER MOUND IS WE DEFINITELY HAVE LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF PUBLIC ART IN PARKS.

WE ALSO HAVE THAT FLOWER MOUND ARTS FESTIVAL, WHICH ATTEMPTS TO, I THINK YOU SAID IT BEST ATTEMPTS TO PUT IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF ART INTO THAT FESTIVAL.

AND THEN WE HAVE PROGRAMS, OTHER PROGRAMS LIKE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BOX, ART PROJECT, CHALK THE WALK, TOWN HALL ARTS DISPLAY AND COMMUNITY ARTS PROJECT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SUMMARIZE THAT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE ABOUT TO HAND IT OVER TO LEXIN TO TALK ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TIME AFTERWARDS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MORE CAN WE DO? I JUST WANTED TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE THAT, REALLY, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS PUTTING THAT ACTUAL PHYSICAL ART INTO PARKS AND THEN PROGRAMING.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE INTERESTING FROM YALL, WHAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME WITH IT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, ALLOCATION OF FUNDING, THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS DEPENDING ON THE ART ITSELF CAN BE A WIDE RANGE.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN MAKE ART, FOR NOT THAT MUCH MONEY.

AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO TRY TO GO OUT AND DO AMAZING STATUES.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.

ANOTHER ONE THAT WE ALWAYS WILL THINK ABOUT AS WELL IS, IS STAFF CAPACITY.

CAN WE FIT IT INTO THE TO OUR NORMAL DAY TO DAY PROCESSES.

AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS PROCESS ITSELF.

IS CREATING ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO MORE OF OR DO ANOTHER PROGRAM OR A DIFFERENT TYPE? I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MURALS.

IF YOU WANT TO INSTITUTE AN ANNUAL MURAL, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, FOR EXAMPLE, ON PROCESSES, WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHERE IT DISPLAYS.

AND ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION TOO, IS AS WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE A COMMISSION THAT IS HERE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO LEXIN, ASK HER TO MAKE HER WAY UP HERE, AND SHE'S GOING TO TAKE US THROUGH PUBLIC ART ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

THANKS, J.P., MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO HERE I HAVE THE TOWN'S DEFINITION OF A SIGN WITHIN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.

SO IT IS ALL ENCOMPASSING.

IT'S ANY LETTER FIGURE, CHARACTER MARK, PLAIN DESIGN POSTER, PICTORIAL PICTURE, STROKE, STRIPE LINE, TRADEMARK.

IT'S BASICALLY ANYTHING.

AND I WILL SAY IT'S NOT JUST AN ATTEMPT TO BE BUREAUCRATIC.

SOME OF IT IS AS TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT EARLIER, I THINK THERE IS AN EXPECTATION IN FLOWER MOUND THAT KIND OF SOME OF THAT VISUAL CLUTTER ASSOCIATED WITH SIGNAGE IS LIMITED.

AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT WHERE IT MIGHT NOT BE, YOU KNOW, A MESSAGE THAT THAT ACTUALLY ADVERTISES A BUSINESS COULD STILL BE USED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO A BUSINESS AND WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY SEEN AS A SIGN, FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY HAD A GIANT ARROW POINTED, PAINTED ON THE SIDE OF THEIR BUILDING THAT WAS POINTING TOWARD THE DOOR, IF SOMEBODY PAINTED A GIANT PIZZA ON THE SIDE OF THEIR BUILDING AND IT WAS A PIZZA RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SAY JOE'S PIZZA SHOP HERE, BUT IT COULD STILL BE CONSIDERED ADVERTISING.

AND SO TO KIND OF AVOID THAT SLIPPERY SLOPE OF, WELL, WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHEN IT'S ADVERTISING AND WHEN IT'S ART AND HOW WE MAKE THAT DISTINCTION.

THE TOWN HAS INCLUDED ALL OF IT AS AS A SIGN, AND THAT'S REALLY HOW WE'VE HANDLED IT.

SO KIND OF AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TONIGHT, A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE IS THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO MORE WITH MORE, WITH SIGNS THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS ART OR OTHERWISE THAN WOULD NORMALLY BE ALLOWED THROUGH THE SIGNS ORDINANCE.

SO AGAIN, SOMEBODY TODAY COULD USE ONE OF THEIR ALLOWED WALL SIGNS TO BE A MURAL.

NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS THEM FROM DOING THAT.

AND IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE MORE MURALS THAN WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED THROUGH THE ORDINANCE, THEN THEY COULD APPLY FOR A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE.

AND SO THIS IS THE THE ONE, THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED AT PRAIRIE COMMONS THAT ACTUALLY THEY TOOK FORWARD A CSP THAT INCLUDED ALL OF THESE MURALS. NOW THEY HAVE NOT ACTUALLY PAINTED THOSE ON THE BUILDING, BUT THEY DID GET IT APPROVED.

SO THEY COULD DO THIS AT ANY TIME IF THEY WANTED TO.

SO THAT'S ONE AVENUE THAT PEOPLE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT THEY COULD USE TO DO MURALS, THAT SORT OF THING ON THEIR BUILDINGS IF THEY WANTED TO EITHER, AGAIN, USING THE CURRENT SIGN

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AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THERE ARE TWO OTHER ORDINANCES THAT KIND OF ALLOW FOR THIS POSSIBILITY WHERE AN APPLICANT COULD CURRENTLY COME UNDER THESE. ONE WAS IN THE FLOWER MOUND RANCH ORDINANCE, AND THEY WROTE LANGUAGE FOR WORKS OF ART THAT SAID THAT, IF IT'S NOT PERMITTED BY THE APPLICABLE SIGN REGULATIONS, THEN IT COULD BE PERMITTED WITH TOWN COUNCIL APPROVAL, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A ZONING AMENDMENT.

SO IT BASICALLY ALLOWED SOMEBODY TO COME FORWARD WITH A CSP OF SORTS, BUT IT JUST WOULDN'T OPEN UP THEIR WHOLE ZONING ORDINANCE SO THEY COULD REQUEST COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR SOME SORT OF ADDITIONAL WORKS OF ART ON BUILDINGS.

AND THEN WITHIN THE RIVERWALK ORDINANCE THAT JUST RECENTLY CAME FORWARD, THAT AMENDMENT TO COUNCIL, WHERE THEY ADDED WALL MURAL LANGUAGE THAT SAID WALL MURALS WITHOUT ADVERTISING MAY BE PERMITTED ON NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, BUT THEY WOULD REQUIRE APPROVAL OF A ZONING AMENDMENT BY THE TOWN COUNCIL THAT WOULD SHOW THE LOCATION AND DESIGN.

BASICALLY, IT WOULD BECOME PART OF THEIR APPROVED SIGN PACKAGE FOR THE RIVERWALK.

SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW.

AND THANK YOU LEXIN.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS SLIDE.

AND THEN WE WANT TO OPEN IT UP OF COURSE FOR TOWN COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION.

SO TO SEPARATE THESE TWO OUT AGAIN PUBLIC ART ON PUBLIC PROPERTY AND THEN PUBLIC ART ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO TACKLE WHAT WE CAN DO ON OUR OWN PROPERTY.

AS YOU CAN TELL, THERE'S MORE OPTIONS.

WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONTROL OVER THAT.

SO I THE FIRST LINE HERE DOES SAY PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN.

AND SO THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A RECOMMENDATION IF YOU WOULD IF YOU WANT TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN, THIS WOULD BASICALLY GIVE US THE, THE PROCESSES, CURRENT, INVENTORY OF PUBLIC ART PROCESSES FOR PUBLIC ART IN THE FUTURE. AND I CAN GO A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN WE GET DOWN TO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN, WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN OUR OVERARCHING CULTURAL ARTS MASTER PLAN. WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT FROM THAT PLAN.

THERE WERE TWO ITEMS THAT THE PLAN HAD POINTED TO AND SAID THAT THIS IS AN AREA THAT YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK AT, AND IF SO, THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.

ONE OF THOSE WAS THROUGH OUR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WE HEARD THAT PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED IN A CULTURAL ARTS CENTER, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THAT IF THE TOWN SO CHOSE TO GO THAT WAY, THAT YOU SHOULD STUDY IT WITH A FEASIBILITY AND A BUSINESS PLAN.

AS YOU KNOW, WE WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT.

WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

A SECOND ONE SAID THAT AS IT PERTAINS TO, INCLUDING MORE PUBLIC ART IN YOUR COMMUNITY, WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS TO INVEST IN A PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN. SO I'VE SNIPPED THAT OUT OF THE PLAN ITSELF.

IT WAS GIVEN AN L DESIGNATION.

AND WHAT THAT REALLY STANDS FOR IS LONG TERM.

AND IT SAYS IT REQUIRES A DECISION PACKAGE AND BUDGET CYCLE IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS.

NOW, AS A REMINDER, THIS CAME AT 2018.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY IN THAT THAT AREA WHERE, THIS JUST SIGNIFIES THAT WE ARE AT THIS POINT, AT THIS CURRENT TIME.

NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, I KNOW WE DON'T ALWAYS LIKE TO GO OUT AND GET CONSULTANTS, SO I WANTED TO OFFER SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE US TONIGHT.

AND WE COULD GO BACK, DO WORK AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU, HOPEFULLY CAPTURING WHAT YOU'VE INTENDED.

SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS YOU COULD FUND AN ANNUAL PUBLIC ART PROGRAM.

WE HAVE SEVERAL ANNUAL PROGRAMS THAT YOU FUND ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE REALLY IS JUST THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION OF FUNDS.

AND THEN STAFF IS GOING TO HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A PROCESS FOR DETERMINING HOW THOSE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, WILL COME ABOUT.

OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD UTILIZE OUR CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION DURING THAT PROCESS.

ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES IS, MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES DESIGNATE, A SPECIFIC PERCENTAGE OF THEIR CIP BUDGET.

WE'VE SEEN IT DONE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.

SOME COMMUNITIES DO, A PERCENT OF THE OVERALL CIP BUDGET.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE VERY SMALL PERCENTAGES.

YOU KNOW, OF THE OVERALL, I THINK WE'VE SEEN UP TO 5%, BUT GENERALLY IT'S A 1 TO 3% RANGE.

AND WE'VE ALSO SEEN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES INSTEAD OF DOING IT TO THE OVERALL CIP BUDGET, THEY DO IT TO SPECIFIC CIP PROJECTS.

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YOU COULD HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF THAT CIP DEDICATED TO PUBLIC ART AS A PART OF THAT PROJECT.

NOW, I WOULD TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERCENTS HERE, BUT WE DON'T YOU KNOW, WE DON'T CURRENTLY COME IN WITH A BAKED IN BUDGET FOR PUBLIC ART.

THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE DOING THAT.

I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, THIS WOULD BE ON TOP OF, TO INCLUDE PUBLIC ART IN THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

SO THE MORE DIFFICULT ONE I KNOW WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS IS PUBLIC ART ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

IT'S IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE TONIGHT THAT THIS ITEM COMES AFTER THE SIGN, ORDINANCE DISCUSSION.

AS LEXIN WALKED US THROUGH, THAT IS WHERE THESE THINGS WOULD FALL UNDER.

AND THEN SHE DESCRIBED OUR CURRENT PROCESSES FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE PUBLIC ART INTO THEIR PROPERTY, THEY HAVE ROUTES, RIGHT? THEY HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE THAT THEY COMPLETE.

WE WOULD MOST LIKELY SEE THIS, FOR EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS.

AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO INCLUDE IT IN YOUR ZONING.

AND SO WE WOULD MOST LIKELY SEE THIS FOR ANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN.

THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO INCLUDE THAT INTO THEIR ZONING.

SO THOSE ARE OUR CURRENT ROUTES TO INCLUDE THIS.

OUR RECOMMENDATION IS IF YOU AS COUNCIL, ARE GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION ON ON OR THINKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY CHANGING THOSE ROUTES, WE WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST DOING THIS PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN IN ORDER TO HIRE PROFESSIONALS THAT DO THIS IN MULTIPLE CITIES AND TOWNS ACROSS THE NATION.

THAT WAY, WE CAN APPLY THEIR EXPERIENCE TO OUR STAFF'S EXPERIENCE WITH OUR CODE HERE IN FLOWER MOUND, ALONG WITH LEGAL, TO ENSURE THAT WE AREN'T CREATING ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

MAYOR FRANCE, I KNOW THAT YOU ORIGINALLY ASKED ON THE LAST PRESENTATION LEXIN IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF TAKE OUR TIME WITH? I THINK THIS IS US TELLING YOU ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

THIS IS ONE, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS TRY TO THINK ABOUT ALL THE MOVING PARTS, AND THERE IS A POTENTIAL KIND OF DOMINO EFFECT THAT COULD OCCUR ON OUR DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF OUR CODE.

AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD BE DEFINING PUBLIC ART AND CREATING A PROCESS FOR IT.

AND WE JUST WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER STANDARDS AND CODES.

AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REALLY KIND OF TAKE A FINE TOOTH COMB ON ALL OF THEM TO SEE HOW THIS PARTICULAR ONE WOULD AFFECT THOSE.

AND THEN, WELL, I GUESS AT THIS POINT, I'LL KIND OF TURN IT OVER TO Y'ALL.

THIS IS VERY BROAD, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT REALLY IS DIRECTION FROM Y'ALL IS ON IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HEARING MORE ABOUT A PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN, POTENTIALLY A DECISION PACKAGE IN FRONT OF Y'ALL FOR A DISCUSSION.

AND THEN WE CAN ALSO HAVE DISCUSSION FROM YOU ALL ON OTHER OPTIONS AND OR WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF IN THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND.

THAT WAY, WE, CAN HOPEFULLY PROVIDE A PATH FORWARD ON HOW TO ACCOMPLISH IT.

THANK YOU JP.

COUNCIL. I APPRECIATE TISH'S PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT DID GIVE ME SOME CLARITY ON THE TYPE OF PUBLIC ART I WAS REFERRING TO WHEN I SAID PUBLIC ART, AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT I WANTED TO SEE US INVEST IN IS ADDITIONAL STATIC, PERMANENT INSTALLATIONS. SO I REALLY LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE AT HERITAGE PARK.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW WE MAINTAIN THAT.

I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME MAINTENANCE COSTS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.

THE IDEA THAT WAS BROUGHT TO ME FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE ALL WE ALL KNOW WELL IS THIS CONCEPT OF PUTTING INSTALLATIONS IN ROUNDABOUTS, THINGS THAT SHOWCASE OUR HISTORY AND HERITAGE.

BUFFALO STATUES WERE MENTIONED, I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF AN INTERESTING IDEA.

SORT OF LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE AT HERITAGE PARK, BUT IN PLACES WHERE PEOPLE SEE THEM ALL THE TIME.

AND SO THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE NEED, A MASTER PLAN BEFORE WE CAN ACT ON THAT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THE MASTER PLAN IS A BAD IDEA.

I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE WE CAN START TO THINK ABOUT INVESTING A LITTLE BIT IN INSTALLATIONS EVERY YEAR.

AND ONE IDEA I HAD AND HOW WE MIGHT FUND THIS, WE ALREADY FUND SOME PUBLIC ART.

IT'S THE PERFORMING ART.

WE DO IT THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY SUPPORT FUNDING.

WE GIVE A SMALL AMOUNT.

NOW, I THINK OUR COMMUNITY SUPPORT FUNDING IS SUPPOSED TO BE UP TO LIKE 1% OF THE GENERAL FUND.

WE DON'T SPEND IT ALL.

MAYBE WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THAT REMAINDER.

AND THE WAY WE INVEST IN SIDEWALKS EVERY YEAR, THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION HAS A SIDEWALK BUDGET THAT COMES FROM THE SALES TAX, AND THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHERE WE SHOULD PUT SIDEWALKS IN AND WHERE WE NEED THEM.

MAYBE THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION COULD HAVE A SMALL, YOU KNOW, THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT FUNDING BUDGET THAT WAS NOT SPENT.

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SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I HAD IN MY MIND.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US START TO INVEST IN THAT.

I LIKE THAT IDEA.

I LIKE THAT IDEA TO HAVE AN ALLOCATED AMOUNT OF FUNDS JUST FOR THIS, AND RELY ON THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMITTEE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PATH FORWARD.

I'M NOT AS CONVINCED ON THE MASTER PLAN.

I THINK THAT COULD BE A LOT OF MONEY OR TIME AND EFFORT ON STAFF'S BEHALF THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND ON THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROBABLY HANDLE IN THE WAY THAT ADAM PRESENTED, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING.

AND LET'S TRY THIS FOR A FEW YEARS AND WITHOUT A MASTER PLAN FOR IT.

AND IF WE FIND OUT THAT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE ROAD MAP, THEN WE REVISIT THE MASTER PLAN.

BUT THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHTS.

JP, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FROM COST WISE AND TIME WISE FOR A PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN? PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN.

LAST TIME WE WENT OUT TO GET MULTIPLE QUOTES, IT WAS AROUND 65,000 FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, TO WORK FOR, THAT DOES INCLUDE, KIND OF AN ADDITIONAL WE LET THEM KNOW IS THAT WE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A DEEP DIVE INTO OUR CODE TO BEST UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, AFFECT OTHER AREAS OF OUR CODE.

BUT YES, THAT THAT IS WHAT IT, CAME BACK AS.

AND AGAIN, WITH ANY STUDY, IT WOULD BE A MULTIPLE MONTH STUDY.

AND HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? WE DID THAT IN PREPARATION FOR LAST YEAR'S BUDGET CYCLE.

AND SO WE.. RELATIVELY RECENTLY..

THAT IS TRUE. AND WE DIDN'T GO BACK OUT THERE IF, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN AND I DEFINITELY HEAR SOME, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M INTERESTED, WE COULD AGAIN, GO BACK, GET ANOTHER PRICE, THAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH, WITH THIS YEAR.

AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN SEEING INCREASES, BUT I'M NOT PARTICULARLY SURE IF THIS ONE REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE INCREASED THAT MUCH.

BASED ON SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN OTHER AREAS.

SO, BUT YES, IT WOULD BE IN THAT RANGE.

HOW MUCH CONVERSATION HAS THERE BEEN? AND MAYBE IT'S FOR YOU OR MAYBE LEXIN AND TOMMY ABOUT PUBLIC ART ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

HAVE WE HAD MUCH INTEREST IN THAT AREA? WELL, AS LEXIN COMES UP HERE TO DESCRIBE, WHAT SHE HAS HEARD, I WILL SAY WE'VE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS INTERNALLY.

BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, LEXIN MAY BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT SHE'S HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THE TWO MAIN ONES THAT COME TO MIND ARE RIVERWALK AND FIRST RANCH, THAT ASKS ABOUT WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES WERE TO INCORPORATE MORE MURALS AND AND AND PUBLIC ART IN GENERAL, POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, STATUES OR THAT SORT OF THING.

AND I CAN'T THINK OF A LOT OF OTHER INQUIRIES WE'VE GOTTEN FROM FROM INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES.

ALSO, PARKER SQUARE HAD ASKED TO ABOUT DOING SOME MURALS THERE.

SO YEAH, IT'S BEEN MORE OF LIKE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THAT.

YEAH, YEAH. AND COUNCIL, THAT WAS SORT OF MY POINT WHEN I WAS BRINGING US, YOU KNOW, SORT OF MUNICIPAL ACTIVE AREA MURALS UP.

YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TIME WAS WHEN, WHEN YOU SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING TO DIFFERENT AREAS, WE JUST HAD AN ART SHOP OPEN IN FLOWER MOUND THAT HAS ONE INSIDE THEIR STORE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG ATTRACTIVE THING.

AND IT'S WHEN PEOPLE GO THERE, THEY WANT TO FEEL, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE BEEN THERE AND THEY TAKE PICTURES IN FRONT OF THE MURAL.

AND I THINK THAT WE'RE REALLY MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY, NOT NOT JUST TO HAVE SOME ART AND SOME GREAT MURALS, BUT WE'RE ALSO MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP PROMOTE THE GREAT THINGS IN OUR TOWN.

IF YOU GO AND YOU SPEND ANY TIME IN THE RIVERWALK OR LAKESIDE OR NORTH SHORE OR ANY OF THAT, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO COMMEMORATE THAT.

AND, AND I THINK WITH ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE WAY THEY FEEL ABOUT OUR TOWN AND HOW GREAT IT IS, I JUST THINK WE'RE REALLY MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY BY HAVING SOME KIND OF QUALITY MURAL THAT PEOPLE CAN INTERACT WITH AND MAKE MEMORIES WITH.

AND AGAIN, I KNOW EVERYONE'S LOOKING AT ME THE SAME WAY YOU DID BEFORE, BUT, I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS MY THOUGHT ON THE ON THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN IS I WOULD SEE A NEED FOR THAT, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST RANCH.

LAKESIDE, RIVERWALK, PARKER SQUARE, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE AND AND HAVING A DIRECTION GO DOWN THERE.

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JUST FROM A COST OF 65,000, WHICH SEEMS TO BE PRETTY HIGH FROM WHAT I'M THINKING.

I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY GET OUT OF IT.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SOME SORT OF STATIC DISPLAYS WHERE PEOPLE DRIVE BY IT, SEE IT, ETC.

TYPE THING. AND THEN WORK OURSELVES INTO THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN AND HOW IT GETS APPLIED WITH OUR CODES AND ORDINANCES FOR THOSE LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS.

SO IF I MAY JUMP IN THERE AND MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL, YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON WHAT I WAS GOING TO MENTION.

AND THE DIRECTION THAT I HEAR TONIGHT IS THAT AS WE PUT TOGETHER THE FY 25 BUDGET, WE NEED TO CONTEMPLATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE COST OF POTENTIALLY FOR ONE OF THESE STATIC DISPLAYS, IDENTIFY LOCATIONS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME TO KIND OF USE IT AS A PILOT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD CAUTION IS THAT IS LET'S JUST SAY IF IT GAINS MOMENTUM AND IT GETS POPULAR WITHOUT HAVING SOME OVERALL GUIDING CONCEPT TO PUSH THINGS, IT STARTS TO JUST KIND OF GROW WITH NO COHESION, NO CONNECTIVITY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I WAS LIKE, WHOA, WHERE, WHERE ARE ALL THESE STATUES COME FROM? IT REMINDS ME OF MY TIME IN ABILENE.

AND ABILENE IS THE STORYBOOK CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.

IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT, NOW YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A LOT OF STORYBOOK THEMED STATUES IN THEIR DOWNTOWN.

AND OVER TIME, THEY WENT FROM DOWNTOWN.

THEY'RE NOW ON CITY HALL STEPS.

THEY'RE ON THE CONVENTION CENTER STEPS.

THEY'RE JUST KIND OF PROLIFERATING, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING.

AND I DON'T KNOW, SINCE I'VE LEFT, IT'S BEEN A WHILE NOW.

THEY MAY HAVE PUT TOGETHER SOME TYPE OF STRATEGY COMPREHENSIVELY OF WHERE THEY CONTEMPLATE FUTURE PLACEMENT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND SO I THINK AT A CERTAIN POINT, CERTAINLY IF THIS GAINS MOMENTUM, AND THERE'S A THIRST FOR IT IN THE COMMUNITY AND A DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO SEE IT TO, TO GROW.

I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND A MASTER PLAN AT THAT POINT, BUT DEFINITELY IF WE'RE GOING TO DIP OUR TOE INTO IT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

BUT I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT $0.02 OUT THERE THAT IF THIS BECOMES POPULAR, GAINS MOMENTUM, THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE IT MORE.

I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE THAT WE HAVE THAT MASTER PLAN.

SO WE'RE THINKING INTO THE FUTURE AND WE'RE NOT COMING BACK TEN YEARS FROM NOW SAYING WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, WITH CERTAIN INSTALLATIONS OR INCONSISTENCY OR THINGS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY VIBE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

NOW, I WAS THINKING MORE LIKE 2 TO 3 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, AT MOST, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU, IT COULD GROW AND GET OUT OF CONTROL.

BUT, I ALSO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO ME, A MAJOR OPPORTUNITY IS GOING TO BE FIRST RANCH.

BUT YOU'RE YEARS AWAY FROM ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GOING VERTICAL AND SEEING A LOT OF THAT.

IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE PLANNING STAGES FOR SURE.

BUT, I THINK WE'RE A COUPLE OF YEARS AWAY FROM REALLY REQUIREMENT WITH THAT.

SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN.

THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN WAITING BECAUSE I HAVEN'T QUITE DECIDED WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT YET.

I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF HAVING ART INCORPORATED INTO OUR TOWN, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE.

AND I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT EVENTS.

AND I JUST DO WANT TO ALSO TALK ABOUT THE ART PARTY AT THE LIBRARY, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO PUBLIC SPONSORED, AND IT'S A GREAT SUCCESS.

IT INCORPORATES MANY DIFFERENT ART STYLES.

THE SCALE OF ART WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR A ROUNDABOUT WILL BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE LARGE, IT HAS TO BE VISIBLE.

WE HAVE HAD SOME KINETIC ART IN SOME OF THE ROUNDABOUTS, LIKE IN THE LAKESIDE AREA.

I HAVEN'T BEEN BY THERE RECENTLY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL THERE, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF COOL.

I KIND OF LIKE THOSE, BUT THEY'RE NICE, THEY'RE NATURAL.

SO I AM USUALLY IN FAVOR OF SOME KIND OF A PLAN AND A VISION, BUT I THINK IT'S TOO SOON TO COMMIT THAT KIND OF MONEY TO A MASTER PLAN FOR THIS ART.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE US TO KEEP IT KIND OF TUCKED IN THE BACK OF OUR MEMORY, SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A CULTURAL ARTS CENTER OR SOME KIND OF A FACILITY? BECAUSE MAYBE AT THAT TIME IT WOULD BE SMART TO INCORPORATE A COMPONENT OF THE PLANNING FOR THAT FACILITY TO BE RELATED TO THE REST OF THE ART INSTALLATIONS IN THE TOWN.

YES, MA'AM. THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I DON'T WANT TO IGNORE WHAT THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE MURALS.

SO IS THE METHOD.

IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT A MURAL THAT SAYS FLOWER MOUND AND YOU STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND IT'S A BUNCH OF HOUSES OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD BE A THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE.

THAT WOULD BE THE WAY, I DO BELIEVE I KNOW I'M GETTING HELP WALKING UP HERE, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, TOO, I THINK, BETWEEN TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT.

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YEAH, I MEAN, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE, YOU SAW OUR SIGN DEFINITION.

SO YEAH, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT UP SOMETHING, IF IT'S ON THE SIDE OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THEN YES, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST FLOWER MOUND AND A PICTURE SPOT, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SIGN AT THIS TIME.

SO IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE.

SO LIKE ON THE EAST SIDE OF CLUB FOR FITNESS THAT FACES THE FLOWER MOUND.

IF WE WERE TO PUT A MURAL THERE THAT SAYS FLOWER MOUND, WITH THEIR PERMISSION AND COSTS AND ALL THAT, WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S A SIGN.

WELL, FOR OPENING UP AND DOING THIS NEW SIMPLE SIGN ORDINANCE, POTENTIALLY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

COULD WE EXPAND THAT TO MAKE A SIMPLE SIGN ORDINANCE FOR MURALS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE? WE POSSIBLY COULD.

I JUST I THINK JP SPOKE TO IT.

SOME OF THE CONCERN IS AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT EARLIER, THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN LIMIT WITH SIGNAGE IS REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, LOCATION. SIZE, LOCATION, NUMBER, YEAH.

ANYWAY, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY REGULATE CONTENT.

AND SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO SPECIFICALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO MURALS OR ART AND MAKE IT A SIMPLE PROCESS.

AND THEN IF SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD WITH A DESIGN THAT YOU DON'T LIKE AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, NO, THAT'S UNATTRACTIVE TO ME.

AND THEN IT'S LIKE A BUT BUT NOT WITH SOMETHING THAT'S CONSIDERED ART.

YOU DO IT ALL THE TIME WITH, NO, WE DON'T LIKE THE WAY THIS BUILDING LOOKS.

NO. AND THAT'S NOT AS PROTECTED AS ART IS FREE SPEECH.

FREE SPEECH. AND SO, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S THINKING ABOUT THAT IS SOME OF THE CONCERN WITH FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND FREE SPEECH.

AND THAT'S MY CONCERN MAYOR IS OPENING UP TO PROVOCATIVE POLITICAL STATEMENTS AROUND TOWN IS SOMETHING I'M WORRIED ABOUT.

AND WE HAVE TO ALLOW IT IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW IT AND OR WE DON'T ALLOW IT RIGHT FOR ANYONE, ISN'T THAT KIND OF THE.

SO IF IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE AND IT'S WHAT WAS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD THE MURALS THAT HASN'T PUT HIM UP YET? PRAIRIE COMMONS. SO IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE ONE OF THOSE SIGNS INTO SOMETHING VERY POLITICALLY CHARGED, WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, OR WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN WITH A NEW COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE THAT THEN GETS DENIED AND THEN THEY GO TO COURT? I MEAN, HOW DOES WHAT'S OUR EXPOSURE HERE? YEAH, I MEAN THAT THOSE ARE LEGAL QUESTIONS AND THAT I'M PROBABLY NOT QUALIFIED TO ANSWER.

I THINK MY ANSWER TO THEM WOULD BE NO, YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR SIGN.

THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED. BUT THEN IF THEY SAY, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TELL ME THAT AND AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, SUE US FROM THERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW EXACTLY THAT PLAYS OUT.

I MEAN, IF THE PROCESS IS THEY COME IN WITH A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE AND WE GET TO LOOK AT THE MURAL AND SAY, I'M SORRY.

THEN I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

AND I GUESS WE NEED A LEGAL SORT OF OPINION ON ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S OKAY.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY JP WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE MASTER PLANNING COMPONENTS.

IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR, FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY BECAUSE, IT SO OUTSIDE OF THE OTHER ISSUES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS AN OVERALL MASTER PLAN FOR THE TOWN, FOR PLANNING, FOR ART, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE'D WANT TO GET SOME EXPERTISE FROM SOMEBODY THAT DOES THIS THAT KNOWS HOW TO TO WHERE YOU CAN DRAW THAT LINE AND WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE THAT YOU CAN ASK FOR OR CONSIDER, AND HOW WE KEEP OURSELVES OUT OF TROUBLE. IN THE PROCESS FOR THAT CONSIDERATION, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.

WHILE WE'RE ON THIS, I JUST WANT I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY, TRYING TO THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WAS JUST SAID, BEFORE, LEXIN CAME UP, I MADE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN PERMANENT AND TEMPORARY.

IF YOU CAN. TISH JUST KIND OF BRIEFLY LET US KNOW ABOUT THE MURAL PROJECT AND THE JOURNEY IT TOOK.

JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE ANOTHER OPTION.

THE JOURNEY I TOOK WITH INTEGRATING THE MURALS WAS TEMPORARY, AND IT DEALT WITH LEARNING ABOUT SIGNAGE AND WHERE HOW LONG COULD STAY AT ONE PLACE.

SO THERE SHOULD BE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT MURALS DO NOT HAVE TO BE PERMANENT IN YOUR IN YOUR PROCESS OF MAKING SPECIFIC DECISIONS ABOUT THE MURALS.

JUST AS LONG AS YOU MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR IT'S A LITTLE MORE LABORIOUS.

WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS I.

I'M TOTALLY INDEBTED TO THE PARKS CREW BECAUSE THEY HOLD THAT MURAL ROUND TO ME, TO FOUR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

IT WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL.

ABOUT THAT WAS, SO MANY PEOPLE SAW IT IN A DIFFERENT PLACE AND I GOT SO MANY REMARKS ABOUT, OH, I SAW IT THERE.

AND THEN I SAW IT THERE, AND I SAW IT THERE, AND IT WAS FOR THE FIRST MURAL I DID WHEN I WAS HERE WITH BETH THAT HAD THE TILES ON IT, AND IT WAS REALLY GREAT BECAUSE YOU COULD THEY WOULD COME BACK TO ME AND SAY, I SAW IT THERE AND I FOUND MY TILE.

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AND THE ASPECT OF WORKING JUST SO IT DOESN'T BECOME OVERWHELMING TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

WHERE'S THE. WHERE'S THE ONE THAT WE PAINTED? THE RED AND BLUE ONE THAT WE PAINTED AT THE ART.

WHERE IS THAT ONE? AT THE.

THE SMALLER MURAL.

THE THE WOODEN ONE.

IT WAS NEAR THE ONE.

YEAH THE BUCKS, WE WE DID A WARM COLD AND A RIGHT.

IT'S A LIBRARY. IT'S, THAT ONE ONLY TRAVELED TO TWO PLACES.

THAT ONE IS IN STORAGE.

I SAW THE LIBRARY LIKE A WEEK AGO.

YES. OKAY, IT'S IN STORAGE NOW? AND WHAT OUR GOAL IS.

WELL, YEAH, MY GOAL, THEY HAVE TO BE SMALLER, AND THAT WAY THEY CAN BE IN.

SORRY. THEY CAN BE INTEGRATED INSIDE.

AND THEY'RE ALSO REMOVABLE.

AND IT STARTS TO INTRODUCE YOUR COMMUNITY TO SOME SOMEWHAT WITH JAMES WAS SPEAKING ABOUT GENTLY IN THE ASPECT OF WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY REALLY TRYING TO DO HERE.

OKAY. ALWAYS ENJOY HER TELLING ME ABOUT THAT JOURNEY AND JUST HEARING PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I WAS AT THE SENIOR CENTER, FOLKS COMING UP TO HER AND I BELIEVE YOU TOLD ME ONE TIME YOU WENT THERE AND THERE WAS A COUPLE PEOPLE JUST STARING AT IT, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S THERE FOR.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL ADD IS, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WE ACTUALLY WERE ON A CALL TODAY WITH THE TEXAS STATE COMMISSION ON THE ARTS.

THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF BROUGHT UP THAT WE WERE TALKING TO YOU ALL TONIGHT.

AND, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THAT IS ONE OF HER SUGGESTIONS AS WELL.

JUST WHAT ALMOST EXACTLY WHAT TISH JUST SAID IS THAT, IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THAT PUBLIC ARTS MASTER PLAN JUST YET, THAT THE TEMPORARY, ART IS GREAT, TO INTRODUCE THE TOWN TO IT.

AND ALSO, IF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT, YOU CAN REMOVE IT.

SO. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE CLEAR.

TO WRAP THIS UP, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT I HEARD DIRECTION ON IS, NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN BRINGING FORWARD THAT PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN AS A DECISION PACKAGE YET.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT DOING 2 TO 3 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

I ALSO HEARD THAT WE DO HAVE INTEREST IN CREATING SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM.

WE CAN FIGURE OUT KIND OF HOW THAT IS FUNDED.

ANOTHER THING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IS THE PRICE POINTS ON THOSE, I'VE HEARD THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN THE MORE STATUE PERMANENT TYPE. WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS.

THOSE MIGHT BE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU.

AND ADDITIONALLY, WHAT WHAT I'VE REALLY HEARD, THOUGH, IS TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF FUNDING FOR ART ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THAT THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION CAN HELP, RECOMMEND THAT. AND IT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU, TO APPROVE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK.

WE'RE GOING TO START WORKING ON THAT.

AND IF YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SEND IT OUR WAY.

I THINK WE HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON THE USE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE TO DEPLOY PUBLIC MURALS, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE WE HAVE A REFERENCE FROM BRIAN ON THOSE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS, AND WE CAN TALK TO HIM.

AND I CAN IMAGINE THAT BEING SET, DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS. WELL DONE, J.P..

APPRECIATE IT.

SO LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE AXON FLEET THREE AUTOMATED READER TECHNOLOGY.

CHIEF MITCHELL. AND AS ASSISTANT CHIEF MITCHELL COMES UP, I'LL JUST KIND OF MENTION WHILE WE'RE BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU, BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TUESDAY WAS WENDELL MITCHELL DAY IN BARTON.

YES IT WAS.

BUT AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS PLUS OR SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL, WE'VE HAD A GOOD DIALOG ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH VIDEOTAPING, RECORDING, RESIDENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND, ONCE CHIEF COUNCIL BROUGHT THIS PARTICULAR, COMPONENT THAT ASSISTANT CHIEF MITCHELL IS GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH, WE FELT IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU SO WE CAN ARTICULATE WHAT IT DOES AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS ISN'T ANYTHING THAT Y'ALL SEE IS PROBLEMATIC IF, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

SO THAT'S JUST THE BACKGROUND AS TO WHY WE'RE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, SO THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ASSISTANT CHIEF MITCHELL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRO, JAMES.

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS TOPIC.

NOT REALLY. ONLY ABOUT FOUR. WELCOME BACK.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK IN FLOWER MOUND.

SO, SO THIS EVENING, ONE, I DO NOT HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR Y'ALL.

I WANT US TO HAVE A GOOD, FRANK, HONEST DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL ABOUT, AXON FLEET THREE LPR TRY TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE FROM THE LAST PRESENTATION THAT I HAD REGARDING

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FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE THIS WAS PART OF A BUDGET PROCESS.

LAST YEAR, WE BEGAN LOOKING AT CHANGING OUT OUR CURRENT AXON FLEET CAMERAS.

THAT THAT MODEL IS NOW OUT OF SERVICE.

IT'S REACHED ITS END OF LIFE.

AND WE'RE STARTING THAT PROCESS TO TRANSITION TO THE NEW MODEL, WHICH IS OUR FLEET THREE CAMERA.

YOU CAN IMAGINE THERE A PREVIOUS MODEL WAS THE FLEET TWO CAMERA, PART OF THE UPGRADE WITHIN THE NEW FLEET CAMERA.

THE FLEET THREE IS THE CAPABILITY TO HAVE LPR, WE'LL SAY WHAT IT IS LPR ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, DISCERNING THE BACK OF VEHICLES, AND READING AND DISCERNING LICENSE PLATES ON THE BACK OF VEHICLES.

THAT THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE LAST PRESENTATION THAT DISCUSSED WHEN WE DISCUSSED FLOCK SAFETY.

THERE ARE SOME.

SO AS WE MOVE THROUGH THAT, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS.

AND AGAIN, AS JAMES MENTIONED, WE THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE GOT APPROVED IN BUDGET FOR THIS, BUT WE WANT TO COME BACK TO Y'ALL.

ONE, WE WANT TO REPRESENT THIS, DISCUSS THAT TECHNOLOGY.

GET IT? HERE'S SOME DIRECTION AND HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS FOR FLOWER MOUND.

BEFORE WE BEFORE WE HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY TURNED ON AND ACTIVATED.

THESE CAMERAS ARE IN THE CARS, BUT THAT ALPR TECHNOLOGY HAS NOT BEEN ACTIVATED IN THE CARS.

SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S CURRENTLY IN EIGHT OF OUR POLICE UNITS, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THIS YEAR, WE'LL BE ADDING THOSE FLEET THREE CAMERAS TO 26 OF OUR, UNITS COMING UP.

THEY'RE DUE FOR REPLACEMENT.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE ACTIVATION OF THE LPR TECHNOLOGY OR THE ALPR TECHNOLOGY, AS THE AXON REFERS TO IT.

THE TECHNOLOGY ITSELF.

AND THERE WAS A THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED, IS IT PASSIVE OR IS IT AN ACTIVE TECHNOLOGY? THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN THIS.

AND I'VE GOT MY STRONG RIGHT HAND HERE, LIEUTENANT DARREN BRANCH, WHO'S HELPED ME FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS WITH EVERYTHING RELATED TO AXON AND IS ACTUALLY CARRIED A LION'S SHARE OF THE WORK. IF WE NEED ANY VISUAL REPRESENTATIONS, THE LPR TECHNOLOGY IN OUR VEHICLES THINK OF ABOUT AS YOUR LINE OF SIGHT.

YOUR ACTUAL VISION IS HOW IT WORKS.

AXON HAS BEEN A GREAT COMPANY IN THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT HAS AN ENHANCED CAPABILITY TO SEE BEYOND WHAT THE HUMAN EYE CAN SEE.

THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM THEIR BODY CAMERAS TO THEIR MOBILE VIDEO CAMERAS, TO EVEN THE CAMERAS THAT THEY INSTALLED, IN THEIR TASERS FROM SOME OF THE TASERS CAN COME WITH. SO THE IDEA BEING THAT WHEN YOU'RE OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE, IT'S A FORWARD FACING CAMERA THAT HAS A 60 DEGREE RANGE OF VIEW TO EITHER SIDE.

BASICALLY, IT'S AN OFFICER CAN SEE, THEY CAN NOTICE THE LANE TO THE RIGHT AND THE LANE TO THE LEFT, AND IT ONLY GOES OUT AND READS ABOUT 50FT, WHICH SOMEBODY WITH CORRECTED OR 20 OVER 20 VISION.

THAT'S ABOUT THE DISTANCE.

YOU CAN READ A LICENSE PLATE ON A VEHICLE.

THE OFFICERS WOULD GENERALLY HAVE THE CAPABILITIES TO TYPE THOSE LICENSE PLATE NUMBERS IN THEMSELVES INTO THEIR MDT, AND PULL UP ANY RETURNS THAT THEY WANTED TO OFF A VEHICLE, OFF THAT LICENSE PLATE FROM THE ON THE BACK OF A VEHICLE, GET RETURNS ON IT THROUGH TCC.

WHAT THE LPR TECHNOLOGY DOES IS IT CAPTURES THAT LICENSE PLATE.

AND IF THERE IS A WE'LL REFER TO AS A HIT, AND THOSE ARE IN SYSTEMS SUCH AS NCIC, A NATIONAL DATABASE.

IT CAN BE FOR STOLEN VEHICLES, PERSONS WITH FELONIES.

OTHER INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN ENTERED RELATED TO MISSING PERSONS, MISSING CHILDREN, HIGH MISDEMEANORS.

WHAT IT DOES NOT GET OFF INTO AND WHAT NEITHER ONE OF THESE SYSTEMS GET OFF INTO IS BEING A TOOL THAT LOOKS FOR THOSE LOWEST LEVEL MISDEMEANOR CRIMES, THOSE CLASS C MISDEMEANORS, THOSE ONES ASSOCIATED PRIMARILY WITH TRAFFIC CITATIONS.

IN NO WAY, SHAPE, FORM OR FASHION IS THIS INTENDED TO BE ANY KIND OF.

WARRANT SERVICE FOR THOSE, OR WHAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT PERCEIVE AS A REVENUE COLLECTION TOOL.

IT'S NOT INTENDED FOR THAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, FORM OR FASHION.

THE IDEA OF THE CAR SYSTEMS THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS, WOULD BE A SPEAKING TO OFFICER SAFETY.

IT KEEPS THE OFFICERS FOCUSED ON THE ROADWAY WHENEVER THEY'RE DRIVING AND STUFF THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO HAVE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE VERY WELL TRAINED TO DO THIS WHILE THEY'RE MOVING IN A VEHICLE, THEY CAN TYPE IN REGISTRATIONS, THEY CAN ANSWER CALLS FOR SERVICE, ALTERNATE.

IT ELIMINATES THAT ABILITY FOR THEM TO DO THAT.

THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DIVERT THEIR EYES FROM DRIVING ON THE ROADWAY.

ADDITIONALLY, WHAT IT DOES IS IF THERE'S A VEHICLE ROLLING THROUGH TOWN THAT HAS A HIT ON IT, FOR EXAMPLE, A STOLEN VEHICLE.

A VEHICLE ASSOCIATED WITH OTHER CRIMES SUCH AS A CATALYTIC CONVERTER.

THEFTS. SOMEBODY WHO'S WANTED FOR A VIOLENT FELONY.

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NOW, THE OFFICER STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH A CHECK PROCESS OF VERIFICATION PROCESS TO DETERMINE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE VERIFY THE PLATE.

BUT WHAT IT DOES IS THAT OFFICER THEN CAN SELECT THEIR TIME TO EXECUTE A TRAFFIC STOP ON THAT VEHICLE, OR WHAT THE BEST AND MOST PRUDENT ACTION WOULD BE.

DO THEY NEED TO CALL FOR ADDITIONAL UNITS BEFORE THEY BEGIN EXECUTING A TRAFFIC STOP? IS THAT A SITUATION? THEY WANT TO FOLLOW A VEHICLE FOR A WHILE AND MAKE SURE IT'S IN A SAFER AREA TO MAKE THE STOP ON IT, BUT IT GIVES THE OFFICER TIME TO PLAN IN THOSE SITUATIONS.

FROM A FROM AN INVESTIGATIVE STANDPOINT.

I'LL SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RETENTION PERIOD ON THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT CAME UP LAST TIME.

IF YOU RECALL, THE DEFAULT PERIOD, FOR FLOCK WAS 30 DAYS.

AXON DOES NOT HAVE A DEFAULT PERIOD.

THEY ALLOW THE AGENCIES TO MAKE A SELECTION FOR HOW LONG THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT DATA.

NOW, FROM A, FROM A, I'LL SAY FROM A MINIMUM TIME REQUIREMENT THAT TALKING TO OUR INVESTIGATORS THAT WE'D LIKE TO HOLD ON TO THAT DATA WOULD BE FOR TWO WEEKS.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT, AND I'LL GIVE SOME EXPLANATION TO THAT POINT, IS IF YOU THINK ABOUT CAPTURING THAT DATA ON THE BACK OF THE CAR, IT GOES INTO STORAGE.

IF THAT VEHICLE WAS INVOLVED IN AN OFFENSE THAT WE'VE YET TO BE MADE AWARE OF THERE, THERE ARE SOME TIME CONSTRAINTS THAT GO INTO THAT.

AND ONE IS THE TIME BEFORE SOMEBODY REPORTS THE INFORMATION TO US, WHICH IS SOMETIMES IS VERY COMMON, THAT IT CAN BE 3 TO 4 DAYS BEFORE WE HAVE A CRIME REPORTED TO US, DEPENDING ON IF PEOPLE ARE OUT OF TOWN, IF THEY REALIZE SOMETHING'S MISSING, IF THEY KNOW WHAT'S OCCURRED, IF IT'S A FAMILY MEMBER WHO'S GONE MISSING AND THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT, AS OF YET.

AND THEN THERE'S THE TIME FACTOR ON GETTING THE REPORT INTO CID, GETTING IN THERE SO IT CAN REALLY EASILY TRANSITION UP TO A WEEK.

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WEEKENDS WHEN INVESTIGATORS ARE ON.

WE HAVE INVESTIGATORS ON MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

SO YOU START LOOKING AT THOSE DAYS.

SO THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT AVAILABLE FOR TWO WEEKS AND THEN IT GOES AWAY WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO US.

HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID.

FROM A PRACTICAL PURPOSE.

THE VERY. I'M NOT SURE.

I THINK WE'D BE GETTING MISSING THINGS IF WE WENT ANY LESS THAN SEVEN DAYS ON THIS.

I MEAN, I JUST FEEL WE'D BE MISSING SOME CRITICAL DATA AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SOLVE CERTAIN CRIMES FEEL MUCH BETTER FROM A AND I CAN SAY, AND THIS IS AN ANECDOTAL, COMMENT HERE FROM TALKING WITH OUR INVESTIGATORS, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY REALLY WANT THIS TOOL.

THEY SEE OTHER AGENCIES UTILIZING THIS TECHNOLOGY AND SOLVING MULTIPLE CRIMES WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

AND OUR GUYS ARE HUNGRY.

THEY LOVE SOLVING CRIMES AND FLOWER MOUND, ESPECIALLY WHEN THINGS HAPPEN HERE IN FLOWER MOUND.

SO WITH THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE AND AGAIN NOW WE CAN GO OUT AS FAR.

BUT AGAIN I'M NOT EVEN GOING OUT TO THAT END RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.

ON THIS THE THE IDEA THOUGH, WHEN YOU BEGIN THINKING ABOUT THE DATA THAT'S CAPTURED, FIRST OF ALL, WITH AXON, EVERYTHING CAPTURED BY AXON, THIS IS OUR VIDEO FOOTAGE, WHETHER IT BE FROM OUR CARS OR FROM OUR BODY WORN CAMERAS, HAS TO MEET CJIS COMPLIANCE, WHICH IS SOMETHING DESIGNATED BY THE FBI. THERE'S A 320 SOMETHING PAGE MANUAL THEY HAVE THAT EXPLAINS HOW THAT DATA HAS TO BE PROTECTED.

IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF ENCRYPTION AND DATA PROTECTION THAT WE USE FOR EVERYTHING FROM OUR MS. SYSTEM, OUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IN OUR DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS OUR CAD SYSTEM, OUR COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM.

AND WHEN YOU BEGIN THINKING ABOUT WHAT DATA WE CAPTURE JUST TO MAKE SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THIS, WHEN WE HAVE A VIDEO RECORDING, WE'RE RUNNING OUR, IN CARS OR OUR BODY WORN CAMERAS.

WE MAINTAIN THAT DATA FOR 180 DAYS.

THAT'S OUR RETENTION PERIOD ON THAT.

AND AT 180 DAYS, IF IT'S NOT EVIDENTIARY IN NATURE, IT ROLLS OUT OF OUR SYSTEM.

IT'S JUST A IT'S A AS A BEST PRACTICE.

THAT'S A PROCESS THAT WE USE TO RETAIN THAT DATA.

AND IT'S ALSO GOT TO DO IF IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND THEY HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE WAY AN INTERACTION WITH ONE OF OUR OFFICERS, WE HAVE THE DATA AVAILABLE FOR THAT TIME PERIOD AS WELL.

WHEN YOU BEGAN LOOKING AT THE LPR CAPABILITIES, THE MOBILE VIDEO CAMERA, THE SECOND CAMERA, THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY RECORDS FROM THE MOBILE VIDEO STANDPOINT WHEN IT ACTIVATES EVERY TIME THE OFFICER TURNS THEIR LIGHTS ON, THAT'S A MUCH MORE ENHANCED CAMERA FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT.

YOU CAN.

IT'S PICKING UP EVERYTHING WITHIN ITS FIELD OF VIEW.

MIND HOLDING ON TO THAT DATA.

AND IF WE DO EVER GET I DON'T WANT THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS, LPR, LPR, A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST FOR DATA.

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AND WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

ONE IF THE IF THE LICENSE PLATES ARE NOT RELATED OR IF IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE CAR, WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED? WE BLUR EVERYTHING ELSE OUT.

YOU CAN'T WE DON'T.

YOU DON'T READ THE LICENSE PLATES, ON ANY OTHER VEHICLE EXCEPT THAT THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED THROUGH A, INFORMATION REQUEST.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S VISIBLE.

WE ALSO HAVE TO GO BACK, OF COURSE, INTO THOSE CALLS, BECAUSE THERE'S AUDIO ATTACHED TO THOSE AND REMOVE ANYTHING THAT MAY NOT BE PUBLIC.

PUBLIC INFORMATION, SUCH AS IF THERE'S A MEDICAL CALL DISPATCHED AT THAT TIME THAT HAS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE RECORDING AS WELL.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE LPR OR THE.

LPR TECHNOLOGY IS SIMPLY STILLS A MOMENT IN TIME CAPTURED IN A STILL OF THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE.

SO. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT ON IT RIGHT NOW, AND I'M REALLY OPEN TO QUESTIONS.

I'M HOPING. I BET WE CAN DO THIS IN LESS THAN 120 MINUTES LIKE WE DID LAST TIME, BUT I WILL SEE WHAT CAN HAPPENS HERE AND STUFF.

SO SO WITH THE IMAGE THAT'S CAPTURED IS THERE IS IT IS THERE GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION TIED TO THAT PICTURE AS WELL? THERE IS IN THE METADATA.

THERE IS. YES.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU WANT TO KEEP IT FOR TWO WEEKS.

JUST BECAUSE THE OFFICER COULD PICK UP LICENSE PLATES.

AND THEN WE COULD IDENTIFY WHAT PARTICULAR CARS WERE POTENTIALLY IN THE AREA IN THAT IN THAT TIME FRAME WHERE, AN OFFENSE WAS COMMITTED.

YES. AND I CAN GIVE YOU LET ME GIVE YOU BOTH A HYPOTHETICAL AND THEN I'LL GIVE YOU AN ACTUAL EXAMPLE HERE IN FLOWER MOUND.

HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, WE HAVE A STRING OF BURGLARY MOTOR VEHICLES DURING THE NIGHT, AND WE HAVE SOMEBODY'S RING DOORBELL CAMERA THAT CATCHES A BLACK HONDA VEHICLE, OF SOME TYPE GOING THROUGH IT, WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY.

AND WE HAVE A TIME FRAME WHEN IT HAPPENS.

SO WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY, WE CAN GO BACK AND CHECK THE OFFICER'S CAMERAS THAT HAVE THE LPR TECHNOLOGY AND SEE IF AT SOME POINT DURING THE NIGHT THEY PASS THAT VEHICLE.

NOW, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN IT COMMITTED A CRIME ANYWHERE.

BUT IF THEY PASSED THAT VEHICLE AND WE SEE WHERE THE VEHICLE CAME IN FROM, MAYBE WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD? THAT VEHICLE WAS DRIVING AROUND IN AND JUST HELP US BEGIN BUILDING THAT CASE.

A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE, FOR US HAPPENED, A FEW YEARS AGO.

WE HAD A HOMICIDE ON THE WEST END OF TOWN.

WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL COME INTO TOWN FROM CALIFORNIA AND MURDER A FLOWER MOUND RESIDENT.

OFFICERS RESPONDING TO THAT SCENE AFTER THE FACT, WE ACTUALLY FOUND OUT.

DROVE PAST, THE SUSPECT'S VEHICLE RESPONDING TO THE CALL, THAT WAS PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD JUST IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

CHANCES ARE, AS IT WAS DARK, BUT AS THE AS THE OFFICER WENT BY THERE, THE AN ALPR CAMERA WOULD HAVE PICKED THAT UP AND WOULD HAVE CAPTURED THAT DATA, TAGGED IT, AND THEN GOING BACK TO IT, THAT INFORMATION WOULD HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH OTHER POLICE AGENCIES, AND WE WOULD HAVE HAD THAT DATA IN OUR SYSTEM TO BEGIN CREATING A TIMELINE. IT WE DID A GREAT JOB.

WE SOLVED THAT. WE SOLVED THE CRIME ON THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

WE CAUGHT WE DO A GREAT JOB HERE IN FLOWER MOUND CATCHING BAD GUYS.

BUT THAT WOULD HAVE JUST ASSISTED THE INVESTIGATION, ANOTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION.

SO AND I COULD SEE A REAL BENEFIT WITH AMBER ALERTS AND SILVER ALERTS.

YOU KNOW, FOR THAT AS WELL.

IT PICK UP A HIT THAT WAY.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHY I SPOKE TO THE NCIC, THE MISSING PERSONS.

AND AS YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF TYPES OF ALERTS FOR MISSING PERSONS HAS GROWN EXPONENTIALLY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

YOU KNOW, THE AMBER ALERT IS HOT, BEGAN THE SILVER ALERTS.

WE EVEN NOW HAVE CAMO ALERTS FOR OUR MILITARY VETERANS WHO SUFFER FROM PTSD, SO.

CHIEF. SO, FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR SUCCESS IN BARTONVILLE.

WE'RE VERY PROUD OF YOU.

WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OUR POLICE FORCE FOR BEING THE SAFEST MID-SIZED CITY IN TEXAS.

SO THE JOB YOU'RE DOING TODAY, CURRENTLY WITH THE TOOLS YOU HAVE IS OUTSTANDING.

AND I JUST HAD A YOU KNOW, I HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE FLOCK SYSTEM.

IS A HUMAN OFFICER REQUIRED TO BE PRESENT IN THE VEHICLE WHEN THE SYSTEM IS OPERATING.

THAT WOULD BE NO.

TECHNICALLY, THE CAR COULD BE PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

NOW, THE OFFICER CAN'T, NOT NECESSARILY BEHIND THE WHEEL, BUT THE OFFICER HAS TO BE WITH THE VEHICLE.

I GUESS IF YOU'RE ON A TRAFFIC STOP, YOU'RE PARKED ON A CALL FOR SERVICE ASSISTING SOMEBODY.

THE OFFICER WILL BE WITH THIS CAR, JUST NOT BEHIND THE WHEEL OF THE CAR.

IF WE'RE, IF IT'S SITTING ON OUR BACK LOT, FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL USE THAT, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE FIELD OF VISION PICKS UP.

IT HAS TO BE DELIBERATELY RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE VEHICLE, AND THE VEHICLE WOULD HAVE TO BE RUNNING.

OKAY. SO WHAT, I GUESS WHAT I DON'T WANT IS THE CAR AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE TOWN AT THE END OF THE SHIFT, PARKED, AND NOW IT'S A FLOCK CAMERA OVERNIGHT.

LIKE SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT WOULD BE WHAT I WANT IS AN AFFIRMATIVE HUMAN OFFICER TAKING AN ACTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

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I WANT A HUMAN OFFICER THAT YOU CAN CHALLENGE.

IF YOU THINK THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING WAS WRONG, YOU KNOW.

AND DOES THE OFFICER HAVE TO TAKE AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, OR IS THE CAMERA JUST CAPTURING LICENSE PLATES ALL THE TIME? IT'S CAPTURING LICENSE PLATES AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE LANE, TRAFFIC AND STUFF.

IT'S CAPTURING THAT. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE OFFICERS TO GO, OH, I NEED TO.

I NEED TO CAPTURE THE ONE IN THIS LANE.

IT'S CAPTURING THE INFORMATION AND THAT'S IT'S THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FLOCK CAMERA BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS EPHEMERAL.

IT'S JUST A MOMENT IN TIME.

IT'S NOT BUILDING A HISTORY.

WHY DID IAN TAKE A DIFFERENT ROUTE TO WORK TODAY.

WHAT'S GOING YOU KNOW, SO THE THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO STORE DATA FOR WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME, IF THE OFFICER IS TAKING AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, I WANT TO KNOW THAT LICENSE PLATE.

THAT STORE FOR 180 DAYS WITH JUST LIKE THE CAMERA.

BUT IF IT'S JUST THE SYSTEM PICKING UP DATA, MAYBE RESIDENTS CAN OPT OUT.

LIKE ANNE HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, WHERE I SAY I JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO STORE IT FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME, YOU CAN GET IT WHILE YOU HAVE IT IN THE OFFICERS THERE LOOKING AT MY CAR AND THE SYSTEM CAN TELL HIM, BUT DON'T PUT THAT IN YOUR DATABASE AND KEEP TRACK OF THAT.

I WAS AT LIFETIME FITNESS ON THIS DAY AT THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF CONCERNS I HAVE, BUT OTHERWISE THIS IS NOT LIKE THE FLOCK CAMERA.

NO IT'S NOT. LET ME SPEAK TO THAT.

LIKE THE FLOCK CAMERA, THOUGH.

THIS IS NOT TELE.

THIS DOES NOT TELL US THE REGISTERED OWNER OF THE VEHICLE.

THIS IS NOT RUN IT TO SAY THAT, MARY SMITH WAS AT, ANYTIME FITNESS OR AT LA FITNESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

ALL IT DOES IS IT CAPTURES THAT PLATE.

THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A CRIMINAL, SOME KIND OF CRIMINAL NEXUS, OCCUR SOMETIME OF EVENT OCCUR.

THAT WAY IF WE CHECK FOR THAT PLATE, THEY'LL SAY, OH, THIS PLATE WAS HERE, OR AN EVENT IS ALREADY OCCURRED.

AND IF THAT IF THAT CRIMINAL EVENT OR IF THAT MISSING PERSON HAS ALREADY BEEN REPORTED WHEN WE PICKED THAT PLATE UP, EVEN IF IT'S IN FRONT OF A EVEN IF WE'RE DRIVING AROUND A PARKING LOT AT A FITNESS CENTER AND WE FIND A MISSING PERSONS VEHICLE THERE, WE CAN BEGIN LOOKING FOR THAT MISSING PERSON THERE.

I MEAN, I SEE REALLY SOME POTENTIAL BENEFITS AND I'VE RIDDEN IN A POLICE VEHICLE WHILE THE OFFICER IS TYPING, WHILE THEY'RE DRIVING.

AND IT'S NOT THE SAFEST, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE TRAINED OR NOT.

THIS IS JUST A BETTER VEHICLE, IN MY OPINION, THAN THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

I ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND I THINK IT DOES HAVE MORE BENEFITS AND FEWER HUGE PROBLEMS PITFALLS THAN FLOCK, FOR SURE.

AND I ESPECIALLY DO APPRECIATE THE REDUCTION IN DRIVER DISTRACTION, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE FANTASTIC PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS, BUT WE KNOW IT TAKES A MILLISECOND OF DISTRACTION AND SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN THAT COULD PUT EVERYONE'S LIVES AT RISK.

OUR OFFICER AND THE COMMUNITY, WE DON'T WANT THAT, OF COURSE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD WRITTEN DOWN AND THEN YOU HIT IT WAS THE RETENTION POLICY, AND I WAS JUST FOR YOU.

AND I REMEMBER I SEE YOU DID, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE TWO WEEKS.

I GUESS THERE COULD BE SOME BENEFITS TO IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE IN AN ACTIVE SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO APPREHEND SOMEONE BUT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT YET, IN THE TWO WEEK PERIOD WHERE YOU HAD A HIT, THEY COULD BE PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE BY NOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS IT ESTABLISHING SOME EVIDENCE ABOUT WHERE A VEHICLE WAS DOESN'T MEAN IT WAS THE DRIVER AND THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL LITIGATION STUFF.

WHATEVER. I'M STILL A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RETENTION, THE RECORD RETENTION.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN ORDER TO MAKE A BETTER DECISION IS A POLICY WITH ALL OF YOUR SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO I CAN REALLY READ THROUGH IT, PORE OVER IT, ASK YOU SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN IRONCLAD POLICY THAT'S REASONABLE, THAT'S ENFORCEABLE, THAT WE CAN FOLLOW WITH MINIMAL MINIMAL DEVIATION OR RISK.

DOES THAT SOUND FAIR? NO, THAT SOUNDS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

LIKE WITH A LOT OF OUR THINGS, WE HAVE VERY GOOD, SOLID POLICIES IN PLACE THAT HAVE TO BE VETTED OUT BY THE TEXAS POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION AS OUR BEST PRACTICES.

SO GOOD. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL COST TO TURN ON THIS FEATURE? AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT THAT RIGHT HERE FOR YOU.

OH, THERE YOU GO.

SO THE ADDITIONAL COST? WELL, TO TURN IT ON.

UNDERSTAND WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE EIGHT RIGHT NOW.

THAT WAS PART OF THE CONTRACT THAT WE SIGNED.

AND WHAT THAT IS RUNNING RIGHT NOW ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IS.

LET ME DO SOME QUICK MATH HERE.

OR YOU COULD TELL ME PER UNIT, WHATEVER YOU.

WELL, PER UNIT. PER UNIT IT IS.

6119 PER MONTH.

I DID HAVE THE MATH HERE RELATED TO THE, 26 UNITS IF WITH THOSE COMING ONLINE, IF WE ADDED THAT TO IT.

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750 BUCKS A CAR.

BUT IT DIDN'T. DID WE HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET ALREADY? WE DID. YEAH.

AND SO, CHIEF, SO, YOU KNOW, I SENT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS UP AND AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS RESPONDING TO THOSE.

RIGHT. AND I SEE THIS COUNCIL REALLY MORE AS NOT A A.

CRIME DETECTION ENHANCEMENT AS MUCH AS AN OFFICER SAFETY STANDPOINT, RIGHT.

BECAUSE WHEN WHEN OUR GUYS ARE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, AT NIGHT OR WHENEVER.

YOU KNOW IT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALERTED TO, MORE NEFARIOUS SITUATIONS OR STOLEN VEHICLES OR THINGS.

AND SO IF THAT HAPPENS CHIEF AND IT AND THEY DO GET A HIT ON A VEHICLE, WHETHER IT'S, ON A TRAFFIC STOP OR IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO A SHOPLIFTING CALL OR WHATEVER.

AND SOMETHING DOES COME BACK THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

THERE'S STILL A PROCESS FOR THEM TO CONFIRM THAT, EITHER THROUGH DISPATCH OR THROUGH THE MDT, THAT IT'S AN ACTIVE STOLEN VEHICLE OR AN ACTIVE FELONY WARRANT.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THIS KIND OF SITUATION, IF THEY HAD A HIT BACK ON A VEHICLE, LET'S SAY IT'S A FELONY WARRANT ON IT.

SOMEBODY'S DRIVING. THAT CAR HAD A FELONY.

SOMEBODY WHO ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CAR HAD A FELONY WARRANT.

THE OFFICERS COULD INITIATE A TRAFFIC STOP ON THAT VEHICLE FOR INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES RIGHT THERE.

ONCE THAT CAR IS STOPPED, THEY WOULD ONE OBVIOUSLY, DISPATCH WOULD VERIFY WHEN THEY RAN THE PLATE THAT THAT VEHICLE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THROUGH TRAFFIC.

AND THEN THEY WOULD APPROACH THE DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE, IDENTIFY THE DRIVER, AND THEN IF THAT WAS THE PERSON ASSOCIATED WITH THE WARRANT, TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTION.

SO YES, WE WOULD CHECK THAT THROUGH ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS. YEAH, THAT'S MUCH BETTER THAN THE WAY IT WAS BACK IN THE DAY.

HEY, MAYOR FRANCE, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT IT BEING SAFETY FOR THE OFFICERS.

I KNOW THE OFFICERS GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL, BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST POINT OUT THIS WILL HELP US CATCH MORE OF THE CRIMINALS THAT GO THROUGH FLOWER MOUND THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE DO NOT WANT DRIVING THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY OR COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY COMMITTING CRIMES.

AND THAT'S WHAT OUR OFFICERS ARE OUT THERE.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE COMMITTED TO DO.

IT HELPS ALERT THE OFFICERS TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO FIND WHEN THEY DO STOP THE CAR.

ABSOLUTELY. SO WILL IT HELP ALSO ACHIEVE WITH CRIMINAL APPREHENSION? YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S VEHICLE GETS STOLEN IN A NEIGHBORING CITY? IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE FOR THAT REPORT TO GO THROUGH AND THAT RECORD TO BE ENTERED INTO CIC AND CIC, RIGHT.

SO IF THAT HAPPENS, AND THEN WE GET AN ALERT OR AN ACTIVE WARRANT OR WARRANTS GET ISSUED RIGHT EVERY OTHER DAY OR SO.

IS IT IS THE SYSTEM SET UP THAT OUR DETECTIVES CAN GO IN THERE AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, CAN WE FIND OUT IF THIS GUY YOU KNOW WAS IN TOWN OR IT'S AN INVESTIGATIVE TOOL ALSO TO GO BACK THROUGH AND CONFIRM, IF SOMETHING WAS AFOOT? IT IS, BUT WE'RE VERY LIMITED TO THAT.

SPEAKING TO THE POLICY THAT, DEPUTY MAYOR.

MARTIN WAS TALKING. PRO TEM MARTIN WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS YOU DO HAVE A POLICY DRAFTED.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'VE HAD ONE FOR A WHILE.

AND IT DOES SPEAK TO WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM.

WE HAVE TO GIVE CERTAIN ADMINISTRATIVE RIGHTS.

AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE LIMITING THAT TO SUPERVISORS WHO HAVE ACCESS, NOT JUST TO EVERY OFFICER HAS ACCESS TO GO OFF INTO THAT SYSTEM ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE SYSTEM.

SO THAT DATA IS ONLY ACCESSIBLE BY OUR PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT LIKE FLOCK THAT HAD A TWO WAY DIALOG, RIGHT? FLOCK HAD TO SHARE EVERYTHING, BUT AXON WOULD STRICTLY.

THAT'S OUR DATA AND WE OWN IT.

CORRECT. WELL AND SPEAKING TO FLOCK AND I'LL JUST AND THIS IS ON ME I DIDN'T MAKE A GOOD CLARIFICATION DURING THE FLOCK COMMUNICATION, THE ONLY DATA THAT WAS SHARED PER SE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, WAS IF WE ENTERED SOMETHING INTO, LIKE NCIC ON A STOLEN VEHICLE, THEN ANOTHER AGENCY'S FLOCK CAMERA. COULD PICK THAT UP IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND STUFF.

IT'S OUR INFORMATION THAT WE PUT IN, BUT WE WANT OTHER AGENCIES TO BE AWARE OF IT AS WELL.

THIS IS THE SAME WAY WITH AXON.

SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF LEWISVILLE HAS A STOLEN VEHICLE, THEY ISSUE A WARRANT.

THEY HAVE IT ENTERED IN THE SYSTEM.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO PICK THAT DATA UP THROUGH THEIR NCIC OR TCIC, THROUGH THE ALPR CAMERA, BUT NOT THE ACTUAL IMAGES AND ALL THAT.

THE IMAGES THE OTHER WAY, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD TO SHARE OUR IMAGES WITH OTHER AGENCIES.

WE DO NOT HAVE TO SHARE IT.

WE CAN IF THEY'RE DOING AN INVESTIGATION AND THEY NEED SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON A CAR AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE DO THAT ALREADY.

WE CAN SAY YES, WE HAVE VIDEO OR WE HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS VEHICLE, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CRIMINAL NEXUS TO REQUEST IT.

WE DON'T JUST RANDOMLY SHARE OUR INFORMATION.

THAT'S JUST JUST FOR EITHER ONE OF THEM, EITHER ONE, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY SAID THAT THE FLOCK DATA BELONGED TO THEM AND THEY HAD MARKETING CAPABILITIES.

THEY COULD LOOK AT BUMPER STICKERS AND THINGS.

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IT WAS IN THEIR LANGUAGE. YEAH, I CAN APPROACH THIS IF WE EVER DISCUSS FLOCK AGAIN.

SO BUT WITH AXON THOUGH, IT'S NOT THAT WAY.

WE OWN THAT DATA THAT IS OURS.

SO I WORKFORCE MULTIPLIER AWESOME SAFETY AWESOME COLLECTING DATA ON OUR RESIDENTS BAD.

SO AS MUCH AS SHORT AS DURATION AS WE CAN.

THAT'S WHAT I'D BE LOOKING FOR AND AS MUCH HUMAN INVOLVEMENT AS POSSIBLE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT AUTOMATED.

YEAH, I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED IT TO BE AN IN-SERVICE VEHICLES ONLY, NOT JUST LIKE YOU SAY, PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE, WELL, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, BUT NO IN-SERVICE ONLY I WOULD SAY.

SO LET ME LET ME CLARIFY HERE.

AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ONE IS Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THE POLICY AND I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY WE CAN ABSOLUTELY, WE CAN PROVIDE OUR POLICY.

THE NEXT THING Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE, OBVIOUSLY, IN THAT POLICY IS THAT WE'RE NOT USING IT, I WILL SAY AS A STATIC CAMERA.

WE'RE NOT JUST SETTING THE CAR UP SOMEWHERE WITH THE PURPOSE OF CAPTURING DATA, IN OUR POLICY.

AND THEN THE RETENTION PERIOD.

I WOULD ASK FOR GRACE ON THIS TO GIVE ME THE TWO WEEKS RIGHT NOW, AND IF WE DO NEED TO MAKE THE CHANGE, I WOULD.

I DO TRUST OUR OUR INVESTIGATORS AND I DO TRUST OUR OUR OUR RANK AND FILE IN THE DEPARTMENT.

WE WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT, NOT JUST FOR OUR JOBS, BUT FOR THIS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

AND THEN WHAT JOB ASKED US TO DO.

BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO START AT THE TWO WEEK MARK ON THIS.

SO I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO TRY IT OUT.

SO AS COUNCIL FOR SO IS CAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MOVE FORWARD PENDING THE REVIEW.

OR WE'RE SAYING THAT WE WANT TO REVIEW ALL THIS STUFF AND THEN AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THEM PROCEED? I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THE POLICY BEFORE I GIVE A FINAL OPINION ON IT.

BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PILOT OF A SUCCINCT DURATION WITH A SMALL NUMBER OF VEHICLES, I WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY THINKING WE COULD TRY THAT FOR A SHORT TIME, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO OKAY A PERMANENT SOLUTION UNTIL I REALLY WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING.

SO FOR CLARIFICATION, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN ACTIVATE THE EIGHT CARS NOW WITH I WILL JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M.

I'M GOING. I'M LEAVING THE COUNTRY IN THE MORNING.

I AM TAKING A LITTLE VACATION.

I NEED A LITTLE TIME OFF.

NEW. SO, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT I PROVIDE THAT TO YOU, SAY, BY THE 1ST OF FEBRUARY THAT THAT POLICY, ONCE I'M BACK, THAT WE CAN REVIEW IT? YES, I'M ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH THAT.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE OKAY AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE EIGHT VEHICLES, THE TWO WEEK RETENTION MAXIMUM AND THEN THE DURATION OF THE PILOT WOULD BE HOW LONG I'D LIKE TO DO A 180 DAYS TO GIVE US A REAL, TO GIVE US A REAL LOOK AT IT.

AND THEN YOU'LL PROVIDE US WITH THE DATE ON THE REPORT AND EVERYTHING AND ALL THE OUTCOMES AND HOW IT FEELS SO GREAT.

I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.

SO FOR JUST THE EIGHT FOR 120 DAYS OR WHAT? I MISSED THE PILOT. YEAH, RIGHT.

YES IT WOULD.

RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE.

LET ME CLARIFY. THAT WOULD BE THE EIGHT VEHICLES TO START WITH.

I CAN PROVIDE YOU THE POLICY AS WE BEGIN INCORPORATING OTHER CARS.

IS IT OKAY IF WE BEGIN INCORPORATING THOSE.

AND AT THE END OF 180 DAYS, NO MATTER HOW MANY VEHICLES WE HAVE ON THAT SYSTEM, COME BACK AND GIVE YOU THE REPORT.

I WANT TO DO THE POLICY BEFORE I GO TOO MUCH FARTHER.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING THEY'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING CARS OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.

YEAH. BUT EVENTUALLY IT WOULD BE ALL OF THEM WITHIN THE DURATION OF THE PILOT.

IT WILL BE. AND ABSOLUTELY.

I WOULD LIKE BEFORE WE DO ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGH, I'D HAVE YOU ALL REVIEW THE POLICY AND BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE POLICY.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO GET AT.

SO THE GENERAL IDEA IS WE HAVE EIGHT VEHICLES RIGHT NOW.

WE COULD START INITIATE THE PILOT.

NOW I'M LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR.

WE HAVE OUR NEXT WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY THE 15TH.

I'M LOOKING TO YOU, WENDELL, TO SEE IF THAT'S A REASONABLE TIME FRAME THAT WE CAN COME AND PRESENT THAT POLICY.

MAYBE WE GIVE IT TO THEM IN ADVANCE AND USE THAT SETTING AS THE CONVERSATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE POLICY.

WE'LL HAVE TO AGGRESSIVE IF I HAVE TO THE 15TH.

THAT'S AMAZING. ABSOLUTELY.

I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO WE AIM TO PLEASE.

SO BECAUSE THE MEETING ON THE FIFTH IS STACKING UP TO BE, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY DEEP WITH A LOT OF ITEMS. REALLY? YEAH A LITTLE BIT.

AND SO THAT WORK SESSION JUST KIND OF THE NATURAL NEXT WORK SESSION, WE CAN MAYBE USE THAT AS THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION ASSOCIATED WITH THE POLICY ITSELF.

BUT THE ONES THAT WE HAVE NOW WE'RE GOING TO TURN ON THE EIGHTH.

YEAH. OKAY. GOOD. BUT THEN YOU'RE SAYING, OH WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE REST OF THE 180 DAYS, YOU CAN HAVE MANY MORE VEHICLES COMING INTO THAT PILOT WITHOUT US HAVING A OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THE POLICY.

IF WE SEE THE POLICY NEXT MONTH, THEN WE SHOULD BE GOOD.

YES. WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK..

AND THEN WE COULD TWEAK THE POLICY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY WELL, YOUR DATA, YOU WOULD KNOW WHEN YOUR DATA WOULD BE IMPACTED BY ANY CHANGES IN THE POLICY DURING THE PILOT.

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THERE WILL NOT BE ANOTHER ONE READY TO ROLL OUT UNTIL Y'ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE POLICY.

SO GOOD LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

I WISH WE WERE GETTING VEHICLES THAT YEAH, THEY'RE NOT FREQUENT.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S JUST NOT A LUXURY WE HAVE IN THIS CURRENT MARKET FOR MORE VEHICLES.

YEAH. SO WATER CONCRETE TRUCKS I'M CLEAR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

WELL, I'LL BE DARN. COUNCIL.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THE TIME IS NOW 9:17, AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.