K.1. Proposed Charter amendments - Discuss and consider proposed Charter amendments as presented by the Charter Review Commission (final report)

[K.1. Proposed Charter amendments - Discuss and consider proposed Charter amendments as presented by the Charter Review Commission (final report)]

REGULAR ITEMS ALREADY AND IT'S BARELY 630 LUCKILY.

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SO WE'RE OPENING THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS PORTION OF OUR AGENDA.

I DID SEE MR. STEVE DICKSON, OUR CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION CHAIR IN ATTENDANCE, CAME IN RIGHT ON TIME.

ALSO MY PREDECESSOR.

IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, FOR THE MILLIONS WATCHING AT HOME.

FORMER MAYOR OF FLOWER MOUND.

WHOSE BEARD LOOKS A LOT LIKE MINE NOW.

YEAH. TRENDSETTERS OR.

GRAYER. GOOD EVENING, MR. DIXON. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

STAFF. GREAT TO SEE YOU GUYS.

STEVE DIXON, 4604 WESTON CREEK COURT.

AND PARDON ME FOR USING GLASSES AND LOOKING DOWN AT MY NOTES.

QUITE A FEW THINGS TO GO OVER HERE FOR YOU.

UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE CHARTER REVIEW, AND THE TOWN CHARTER IS REQUIRED TO BE REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS, AS WE KNOW.

AND ON AUGUST 7TH, TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION AND OUTLINE THE CHARGE FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

THERE WERE SEVERAL MEMBERS, AND I SEE SEVERAL MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT.

I SERVED AS THE CHAIR.

MIKE WALLACE AND MARTIN SANDEEP SHARMA, GREG WILSON AND RICK LUST SERVED, AND WE HELD FIVE MEETINGS THAT WERE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND SEEKED PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND TONIGHT I WILL BE DISCUSSING THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PRESENTATION, WHICH IS SIX CHARTER AMENDMENT RECOMMENDATIONS, AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE.

AND TOWN COUNCIL HAS THE OPTION TO ACCEPT AS PRESENTED, MODIFY, PROPOSE NEW AMENDMENTS.

YOU FOLKS HAVE FINAL WORD ON WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT.

IF ANYTHING'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT, AND THAT BALLOT WILL BE MAY 4TH OF NEXT YEAR.

SO GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT.

THERE WERE OH, THERE'S A PRESENTATION THAT SHE WAS SO KIND TO PUT TOGETHER.

I WILL TRY TO.

GO THROUGH THIS.

AT THE SAME POINT IN TIME, THERE WERE 21 TOPICS THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN ADDITION TO THE SIX PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, THERE ARE OR THERE IS ONE POLICY RECOMMENDATION AND ONE STRATEGIC PLANNING TOPIC.

AND LET'S SEE HERE RESOLUTION 2723.

OUR CHARGE WAS TO REVIEW THE CHARTER FOR ANY CONTENT THAT HINDERS EFFICIENCY IN THE TOWN OPERATIONS.

ENSURE THE CHARTER DOES NOT CONTAIN LANGUAGE THAT CONFLICTS WITH STATE LAW, REVISIT ITEMS PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED BY THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSIONS AND THE POWER OF THE PAST.

RANK THE PROPOSED BALLOT RECOMMENDATIONS IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE WHEN PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.

AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE DONE ALL THAT, AND THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE.

I'M GOING TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE THE INFORMATION AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.

AND PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE JUST STOP ME AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT IN GREAT DETAIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, BUT HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE CLEAR AND CONCISE FOR YOU ON THIS PAGE.

IT KIND OF GOES THROUGH EACH ONE OF THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF NOTES HERE TO TOUCH ON EACH ONE OF THEM.

ITEM NUMBER ONE, IF YOU AND I ALSO WILL GIVE FOR THE AUDIENCE AND PEOPLE AT HOME THE ACTUAL PAGE NUMBER OF THE CHARTER WHERE THEY CAN QUICKLY GO TO IT IF THEY WANT TO KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG.

ITEM NUMBER ONE IS ON PAGE 93.021.

AND THIS WOULD BE TO ADD A REQUIREMENT THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL BE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR FIVE YEARS AND A BACKGROUND CHECK.

NO ONE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THOUGHT THIS WAS WAS WAS A WISE MOVE.

SO WE DID NOT TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.

ITEM NUMBER TWO ON PAGE 17 OF THE CHARTER 3.13 AUDIT EXAMINATION.

AND IN THIS SITUATION, TOWN COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE OR EVEN ADD AUDITS IF NEEDED.

AND OUR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW WAS NO ACTION TO BE RECOMMENDED TO BE TAKEN BY COUNCIL.

ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR AGAIN, PLEASE STOP ME.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE, PLEASE STOP ME.

I'M NUMBER 3B4 .01.

THAT'S ON PAGE 17 OF THE CHARTER.

AND IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN SIZE AS FAR AS ADMINISTRATION, AS FAR AS DEPARTMENT HEADS.

AND IN THIS SITUATION, DISCUSSION DID NOT LEAD TO A DESIRE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

NOW IN THE CHARTER IT TALKS ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENTS, EXCLUDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

TWO OR MORE DEPARTMENT HEADS MAY BE HEADED BY THE SAME INDIVIDUAL.

IT'S IN THE THIRD PARAGRAPH OF THAT SECTION.

SO WE TALKED, WE TOUCHED.

WE TOUCHED ON THIS FOR FOR A WHILE.

BUT THE OVERALL RECOMMENDATION WAS NOT TO.

AND I'M ASSUMING THAT EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HAS GONE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.

BUT I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE CASE.

SO IF COUNCIL IF YOU HAVE AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN DETAIL, PLEASE, PLEASE DO STOP ME.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR. IT'S 4.7.04 AND 15715.

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PETITION FOR A REFERENDUM BY 5% OF THE VOTERS, OR 3 OR 5% OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED, OR 300 VOTERS, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.

THE DISCUSSION ON THIS WAS TO REMOVE THE NUMBER 300, BUT IN THE CHARTER IT'S VERY CLEAR IT'S WHICH ONE OF THE GREATER.

SO IN THIS SITUATION THE CALCULATION OF 5% WAS 2800, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER THAN 300.

AND THE CHARTER IS VERY CLEAR.

IT'S WHICHEVER IS GREATER.

SO AFTER QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS, THE DECISION FOR THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO TAKE NO ACTION AS FAR AS THE CHARTER LANGUAGE.

NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS? I'M STILL ON THE SAME PAGE.

7.17 ELECTION REQUIRE FOR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.

THAT'S ON PAGE 30 OF THE CHARTER.

THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION BASICALLY STARTED THE DISCUSSION AND WENT DOWN THE PATH OF HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT A SUPERMAJORITY REQUIREMENT AT COUNCIL VERSUS AN ELECTION.

AND THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, WE AGAIN FOCUSED ON THE SUPERMAJORITY INSTEAD OF THE ELECTION AND REPLACE THE ELECTION WITH A SUPERMAJORITY. SO IT'S KIND OF WE TALKED ABOUT MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THE LONG STORY SHORT ON THIS ONE WAS THAT FOR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, WE WOULD RECOMMEND NO ACTION, BUT YOU WILL SEE SOMETHING IN A FEW MINUTES.

SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.

JUST BOOKMARK THAT ONE.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.

AS FAR AS OUR OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS.

NUMBER 68.02 DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY.

THIS IS ON PAGE 31 OF THE CHARTER.

THIS WAS THE SPECIFIC WORDING IN THE CHARTER THAT SAYS BASICALLY, THE TOWN COUNCIL SHALL COOPERATE WITH PERSONS INTERESTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY WITHIN OR BEYOND THE TOWN LIMITS.

AND THE WORD NEEDED WAS BROUGHT UP AND DISCUSSED THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL AND THE TOWN STAFF HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO COOPERATE. NOW, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I BELIEVE THAT ANYONE THAT COMES IN SHOULD HAVE.

DO OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THEM TO TELL THE COUNCIL AND THE STAFF WHAT THEY WANT TO, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

BUT TOWN COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO SAY YES, NO OR LESS.

AMEN TO THAT. SO AFTER A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT, IT DIDN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF HAVING TO BE PUT ON THE BALLOT.

SO CHANGE FROM SHALL COOPERATE TO SHALL GIVE DUE CONSIDERATION WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

BUT OVERALL WE DID NOT FEEL LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING NEEDED TO PUT ON THE BALLOT TO CHANGE THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER.

NUMBER SEVEN BUDGET, A PUBLIC RECORD.

WELL, BUDGET AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC RECORD.

THE BUDGET SHALL BE FILED WITH THE TOWN SECRETARY TOWN COUNCIL AND SHALL BE OF PUBLIC RECORD.

A COPY OF THE BUDGET SHALL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO ANY PERSON UPON REQUEST.

THE DISCUSSION WAS CAN A DIGITAL FORMAT BE CONSIDERED A COPY? THE TOWN CERTAINLY WANTS TO BE COST EFFICIENT AND TRANSPARENT TO RESIDENTS.

AND SO IN THIS SITUATION, WE DID NOT FEEL IT ROSE TO THE LEVEL OF CHANGING THE LANGUAGE IN THE ACTUAL CHARTER.

ANY QUESTIONS? IS A DIGITAL COPY OR A DIGITAL FORMAT OF COPY.

MR. MEREDITH. I THINK THAT WAS DIRECTED TOWARDS YOU, SIR.

THEY'RE BOTH SHAKING THEIR HEAD, BUT BRANT WILL PROBABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S REASONABLE.

I WOULD SAY REASONABLENESS IF I ASKED FOR A COPY OF SOMETHING AND I GET AN EMAIL WITH A PDF ATTACHMENT I'VE JUST RECEIVED.

MY COPY. CERTAINLY WOULD QUALIFY.

YES, SIR. BUT WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT SUBJECT.

BUT IT WAS VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE HAD TOWN STAFF AND BRYN THERE TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE.

SO VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

LET'S SEE, NUMBER 89.13.

IT'S ON PAGE 35 OF THE CHARTER.

PROVISION SHALL BE MADE FOR AN ANNUAL BUDGET.

AND IN THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE FOR THE RESERVE IN THE AMOUNT OF NOT LESS THAN 10%.

SO IN THE CHARTER IT TALKS ABOUT A RESERVE OF 10%.

HISTORICALLY, THE TOWN COUNCILS HAVE HAD A NUMBER MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT.

I REMEMBER A POINT IN TIME THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 23%.

WHAT IS IT TODAY? 20. SO WE'RE STILL DOUBLE WHAT THE CHARTER IS.

AND SO BASED UPON THAT, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION BASICALLY.

SAID THAT IT DIDN'T RISE TO THE NEED TO ACTUALLY CHANGE IT IN THE BUDGET.

BUT TOWN COUNCIL, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY, AS YOU HAVE IN THE PAST AND IN THE LONG PAST, OF SETTING THAT POLICY NUMBER AS FAR AS A GUIDING

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POST FOR STAFF.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WAS NOT TO CHANGE THE CHARTER LANGUAGE FOR THAT 10% TO MAKE IT A HIGHER NUMBER, EVEN THOUGH HISTORICALLY TOWN COUNCILS HAVE MADE THAT NUMBER HIGHER AS FAR AS A POLICY.

NUMBER NINE.

WE JUST NOW HAD THE OH SORRY WE DIDN'T.

NUMBER NINE IS 9.1 FOR TRANSFER APPROPRIATIONS.

PAGE NUMBER 35 OF THE CHARTER.

OFTENTIMES YOU WILL SEE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE TRANSFER BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS THAT THE THAT THE STAFF WILL BRING TO YOU.

WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DISCUSS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WAS, DID IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THAT WOULD BE JUST LEFT TO THE TOWN MANAGER? AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DISCUSS AT PRETTY GOOD LENGTH WAS WE DON'T WANT TO OVERWHELM PEOPLE AT THE BALLOT TRACKING TO MAKE SMALL CHANGES TO OUR CHARTER.

AND SO WE WANTED TO TRY TO RANK THEM, BUT ALSO GIVE YOU THE CREAM OF THE CROP, SO TO SPEAK.

SO I THINK I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT.

BUT IN THIS SITUATION, EVEN THOUGH IT MAKES SOME IT DOES MAKE SENSE AND IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM TO DO THAT.

AND I'M SURE A LOT OF DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES DO HAVE STAFF THAT DO MAKE THESE APPROPRIATION CHANGES FROM DEPARTMENT TO DEPARTMENT ON AS FAR AS THE BUDGET, WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IN OVERALL, IT WOULD MAKE IT ROSE TO THE LEVEL OF MAKING A CHANGE TO THE CHARTER.

LET'S SEE. NUMBER TEN I THINK THIS IS ONE OF MY FIRST TIMES TO ACTUALLY HAVE A PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.

SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.

YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB SIR.

THANK YOU SIR. YEAH. NUMBER 1010 .02 OF THE CHARTER.

THIS IS ON PAGE 37.

FRANCHISE POWERS OF TOWN COUNCIL.

I'LL JUST READ THIS ONE. THE FULL TEXT OF SUCH ORDINANCE SHALL BE PUBLISHED ONCE EACH WEEK FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS IN AN OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER OF THE TOWN.

YES, NEWSPAPER OF THE TOWN.

SO WHETHER THE NEWSPAPER PUBLICATION TO BE CHANGED TO A DIGITAL FORMAT.

WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS.

AND THE LONG STORY SHORT, BACK TO HOW MANY HOW MANY THINGS DO YOU WANT ON THE BALLOT? IT DID NOT RISE TO A BALLOT INITIATION AS FAR AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER.

NUMBER 11 1107.

THIS IS ON PAGE 42 OF THE CHARTER REARRANGEMENT AND RENUMBERING.

TOWN COUNCIL HAVE THE POWER TO RENUMBER AND REARRANGE ALL ARTICLES, SECTIONS AND PARAGRAPHS OF THE CHARTER, ANY AMENDMENTS, SO FORTH.

HERE'S MY NOTE. WHAT? I JUST ADD THAT TOWN COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CORRECT TYPOS, GRAMMAR AND REFERENCES, I.E.

REFERENCES OF HIS HER PRONOUNS, SUCH AS HIS HIM, SHE SHALL BE READ AND CONSTRUED AS MALE OR EXCUSE ME AS GENDER NEUTRAL TERMS. AND I THINK I SAID THAT IN THE MEETING.

I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THIS OR DIDN'T FOLLOW ALONG.

AND I GUESS MY CONSERVATIVE TILT TILT KIND OF COMES OUT A LITTLE BIT.

AND ALSO I'M OF A CERTAIN AGE.

SO I AGREED THAT WITH THE WITH THE OVERALL CHARTER REVIEW, THAT WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THIS AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CHANGING OF THE ACTUAL CHARTER. OKAY.

SO LAND USE OVERLAYS WHICH IS THE KEY WORD THERE.

DENSITY AND IMPACT FEES.

ONE OF THE AND THIS IS ON.

OH THIS IS NOT IN THE CHARTER. THIS IS ACTUALLY TO ADD IT TO THE CHARTER PROHIBIT OVERLAYS SUPERMAJORITY VOTE FOR RESIDENTIAL DENSITY DENSITY ABOVE 15 UNITS PER ACRE.

WAIVING OR MODIFYING ANY IMPACT FEES.

THIS IS AGAIN A POSSIBLE ADD TO THE LANGUAGE, AND IT DID NOT MEET THE LEVEL OF SCRUTINY OR DESIRE FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND THIS AS A CHARTER REVIEW FOR THE CHARTER FOR THE CITIZENS OF FLOWER MOUND TO ADD TO THE ACTUAL TOWN CHARTER.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

ACTUALLY, I THINK THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT AT LEAST ONE OF THE PAST CHARTER REVIEWS, AND WE DISCUSSED A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

RICHARDSON WAS WAS LISTED AS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES WHERE THEY DID HAVE A MIX OF OPEN OR AT LARGE, AS WELL AS SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, AND THE RICHARDSON MODEL WAS THE MAYOR, AND TWO SEATS, TWO AT LARGE SEATS FOR DISTRICT SEATS MUST LIVE IN A CERTAIN AREA AND ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS, OR VOTED IN BY THE MEMBERS AT LARGE AS FAR AS OVER THE ENTIRE TOWN.

THE CRUX OF THIS WAS SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WERE THAT IT WOULD POTENTIALLY PIT COUNCIL MEMBER AGAINST COUNCIL MEMBER AND AREAS VERSUS AREAS, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE SAW THE VALUE IN THAT ONE.

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THEREFORE, IT IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION TO ADD THAT TO THE TOWN CHARTER.

THAT BRINGS US TO THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE ADDED TO THE TOWN CHARTER.

AND THE ONE GOOD THING IS, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SERVED WITH ME ON COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALWAYS WANTED WAS A SITUATION WHERE COUNCIL WOULD VOTE UNANIMOUSLY BECAUSE IT MADE SENSE.

AND IN THIS SITUATION, MOST OF THESE.

YOU WILL NOTICE IN YOUR NOTES THAT THE VOTE WAS SIX ZERO.

SO IT WAS UNANIMOUS. SO I THINK THAT BODES WELL FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BODY TO POTENTIALLY ADD IT TO THE BALLOT ON IN MAY TO CHANGE THE CHARTER. THE FIRST NUMBER ONE, REMOVE ALL REFERENCES TO TWO YEAR TERMS AS AS PROBABLY EVERYONE IS AWARE THAT IN THE PAST, COUNCIL MEMBERS ACTUALLY HAD TWO YEAR TERMS. MOST OF MY TERMS ON COUNCIL WERE TWO YEARS.

I ONLY HAD ONE THREE YEAR TERM, BUT IN THIS SITUATION THE CHARTER STILL HAD LANGUAGE OF TWO YEAR TERMS. SO IN THIS SITUATION IT JUST CHANGES OR AMENDS THE LANGUAGE IN THE TOWN CHARTER TO MATCH UP WITH WHAT WE REALLY HAVE.

SO I THINK THIS ONE PRETTY MUCH MAKES SENSE.

I DON'T THINK WE WILL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS FROM VOTERS, AND I THINK THEY WILL PROBABLY APPROVE THAT ONE FAIRLY EASILY.

EQUALLY NUMBER TWO.

THE STATE OF TEXAS GIVES A MAXIMUM OF $50,000 AS FAR AS AUTHORIZATION FOR THE TOWN MANAGER TO SIGN OR EXECUTE CONTRACTS ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND.

OUR CHARTER SAYS $15,000.

SO IN THIS SITUATION, I AMENDMENT PROPOSED AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO PROPOSES A CHANGE FOR THE MAYOR TO AUTHORIZE FOR THE TOWN TO SIGN UP FROM $15,000 TO $50,000.

NOW, HISTORICALLY, I'M SURE THIS HAPPENED TO TO TO DEREK IS ONE OF THE FIRST MEETINGS MORE THAN LIKELY HIS RECOMMENDATION TO.

STAFF WAS TO GIVE HIM GIVE THE TOWN MANAGER THE AUTHORITY TO SIGN CONTRACTS UP TO $15,000.

AND IN THIS SITUATION, IF THE VOTERS DO APPROVE THIS, I THINK EQUALLY THE CURRENT MAYOR AND THE FUTURE MAYOR WILL MAYORS WILL ACTUALLY PROBABLY GRANT THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS A STATUTORY LIMIT FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

AND AS WE KNOW, CONTRACTS CAN BE VERY HIGH NUMBER.

SO I THINK THAT ONE IS WELL WELL ADVISED AS WELL.

SO AND ALSO BELOW THAT YOU'LL SEE THE RANKINGS THAT THAT COUNCIL ASKED FOR.

SO COUNCIL AS WE DISCUSSED EACH OF THESE AMENDMENT OPPORTUNITIES, DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THEM AS WE GO THROUGH THE SLIDES OR JUST LET MR. DIXON GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND THEN DISCUSS THEM.

AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HURT MY FEELINGS IF YOU ASK A QUESTION OR DEBATE A LITTLE BIT.

SO ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, THOUGH, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT SOME OF THE SISTER CITIES ARE DOING.

I'M PRETTY SURE OUR NUMBERS ARE PRETTY LOW, BUT IF WE JUST HAD SOMETHING IN COMPARISON.

WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK.

I'LL JUST TELL YOU JUST FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, USUALLY UP TO 50,000.

SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES HAVE INTERESTING QUIRKS IN THEIR CHARTERS.

SOME SOME CITIES HAVE A CITY MANAGER CAN'T SIGN A CONTRACT, SO THEY ALL HAVE TO GO TO THE MAYOR FOR APPROVAL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO WE'LL CERTAINLY PULL OFF OUR COMP CITIES, BUT MOST CITIES ARE GOING TO BE AT THAT $50,000 AMOUNT.

THANK YOU SIR. THIS WAS JUST ME.

I DON'T THINK THAT EITHER ONE OF THESE FIRST TWO ITEMS ARE CONTROVERSIAL AT ALL.

I MEAN, THEY'RE LIKE SLAM DUNKS.

THEY DON'T SEEM PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT EITHER.

I MEAN, ARE YOU SIGNING DEREK? ARE YOU SIGNING A LOT OF CONTRACTS BETWEEN 15 AND 50 GUYS THAT ARE BIG, YOU KNOW, OR AFTER EVERY COUNCIL MEETING? I'M SIGNING. A BUNCH.

SO LIKE TONIGHT THERE WAS, WHAT, 23 CONSENT ITEMS. SO ALL THOSE I'LL BE SIGNED IN.

ARE ANY OF THOSE? WOULD ANY OF THOSE CHANGE IF THIS WERE IN PLACE? SOME OF. WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT TOO, WHEN WE'RE GETTING THE OTHER INFORMATION FROM OUR BENCHMARK CITIES, SO WE CAN JUST ADD THAT TO THE LIST.

THAT'S EASY ENOUGH. OKAY.

AND THE OTHER THING TO NOTE TOO, IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT IT NECESSITATES US HAVING TO BRING CONTRACTS OF $15,000 OR MORE TO THE COUNCIL.

SO IN ESSENCE, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL SEE A CONTRACT FOR 17 TO $20,000 TO COME FOR YOU FOR APPROVAL.

UNDER THIS CIRCUMSTANCES, I COULD SIGN AN ADMINISTRATIVELY.

IT WOULDN'T COME TO YOU AS A CONSENT ITEM.

YEAH, I'LL MOVE ALONG. PROPOSED AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE.

THIS ONE IS TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT ORDNANCE CAP ORDNANCE CAPTIONS BE PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER, EXCEPT AS PROVIDED OTHERWISE BY STATE LAW. IN THIS SITUATION, IT PROVES EFFICIENCY STAFF TIME COST SAVINGS OF APPROXIMATELY $1,300 ANNUALLY.

PASSED 604 IS THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

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COULD WE ADD? THIS FAILED THE LAST TIME, AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONCERN THAT WE'RE NOT BEING TRANSPARENT.

COULD WE ADD LANGUAGE TO THIS TO SAY.

BUT IT WILL. WE'RE REQUIRED TO PUBLISH IT TO OUR PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEB PAGE, SOMETHING THAT MAKES SURE PEOPLE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO GET TO IT, JUST IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT.

SURE. THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE ADDED.

YEAH, AND WE DISCUSSED THAT AS WELL.

AND THERESA DID SAY THAT THEY WOULD WORK VERY DILIGENTLY WITH.

BURNS OFFICE TO MAKE SURE IT IS AS CLEAR AND CONCISE AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS IN THE PAST WHERE IT WAS A LITTLE AMBIGUOUS, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE THAT MANY VOTERS ARE ENOUGH VOTERS WHEN IT FAILED TO HAVE THAT VERY CLEAR WHERE THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR.

I AGREE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT IT BE VERY CRYSTAL CLEAR TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR.

I AGREE. AND YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE ANY LANGUAGE THAT GETS PUT FORWARD BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GOES TO A BALLOT ITEM.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'S FEBRUARY 5TH IS WHEN WE'RE PLANNING ON CALLING THE ELECTION.

SHOULD YOU ALL HAVE ANY CHARTER ITEMS? AND THAT THAT WOULD BE THE POINT.

YOU ACTUALLY SEE THAT LANGUAGE AND WE CAN MAKE MODIFICATIONS THEN IF NEED BE.

THE NEXT ONE IS NUMBER FOUR.

AND THIS ONE HAS REALLY BEEN HIGHLIGHTED HERE RECENTLY BECAUSE WE, THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND, DID BRING ON A NEW TOWN MANAGER, AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A SITUATION WITH HOUSING AND RISING INTEREST RATES AND JUST THE OVERALL REAL ESTATE ENVIRONMENT THAT HAS MADE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT, WHICH I BELIEVE THIS HELPS CLARIFY THAT TO VOTERS.

ON ON THE NEED CURRENT LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW SPECIFIES THAT THE TOWN MANAGER, WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME OF AFTER SUCH APPOINTMENT NOT TO EXCEED SIX MONTHS, THAT HE THAT THE TOWN MANAGER NEEDS TO BECOME A RESIDENT OF FLOWER MOUND.

AND IN THIS SITUATION, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, WHAT THE CHARTER COMMISSION IS PROPOSING, IS TO INCORPORATE LANGUAGE THAT AUTHORIZES A ONE YEAR EXTENSION BY THE COUNCIL TO EXTEND, NOT TO NOT TO EXCEED SIX MONTHS TIMEFRAME FOR THE TOWN MANAGER TO ESTABLISH RESIDENCY. LONG STORY SHORT, IT GIVES COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION FROM FEEDBACK FROM THE FROM THE.

AT THAT POINT, THE NEW TOWN MANAGER TO SAY, I CAN'T, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING A HOUSE AND THAT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY AND NOT VIOLATE THE CHARTER BY SAYING YES, YOU MAY HAVE SOME EXTRA, EXTRA TIME.

IT JUST MAKES ALL SORTS OF SENSE.

YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED THAT ANYTIME SOON, THOUGH.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

IN THIS SITUATION.

AS FAR AS THE CURRENT TOWN CHARTER, IT IS NOT.

TARRANT COUNTY IS NOT MENTIONED.

AS FAR AS US BEING ABLE TO SEND THE FINANCIAL BUDGET AND FOR THE FISCAL, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR AND A COPY OF THE BUDGET LIKE WE DO TO DENTON COUNTY IN THIS SITUATION, WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING THAT WE NEED TO SEND THIS TO TARRANT COUNTY.

AND. STATE LAW OBVIOUSLY REQUIRES IT.

SO WE JUST NEED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW AND SPECIFY THAT WE ARE SENDING THIS TO BOTH DENTON COUNTY AND TARRANT COUNTY.

AND AGAIN THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WISELY SIX ZERO.

OKAY, NOW WE GET TO ONE THAT'S NOT SIX 0 OR 1 00060.

THAT WASN'T MY GOOD SIDE.

THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT.

AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX YOU WILL SEE THREE DIFFERENT BOXES HERE IN BLUE AND ON THE I BELIEVE ON THE AGENDA.

THERESA HAS THIS BROKEN OUT AND I BELIEVE THE FIRST BOX IS NINE A, NINE B AND NINE C.

IF YOU'RE GOING BACK THROUGH YOUR INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET TO DISCUSS ON EACH.

SO I'LL TOUCH ON EACH ONE OF THEM.

THIS IS ON A TERS.

AND AS, AS AS WE ALL KNOW TERS IS A IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED INSTRUMENT SO TO SPEAK.

TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.

AND I KNOW YOU FOLKS HAVE ON COUNCIL HAVE HAD SOME MANY DISCUSSIONS ON TERS TERS RECENTLY AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS.

IT LOOKS LIKE IN CLOSED SESSION AND ONGOING ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN TOWN THAT HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BENEFIT THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND CITIZENS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

NINE A THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT ON THIS ONE, AND YOU'LL SEE THE SPLIT VOTES AT THE BOTTOM OF EACH ONE OF THE PAGES.

YOU WILL SEE THAT ADD LANGUAGE FOR A SUPER BACK TO THE SUPER MAJORITY ON THIS TOWN COUNCIL WILL BE REQUIRED FOR FINAL APPROVAL ON NINE A OR THE FIRST ONE HERE LISTED FOR A NEW REVISED OR MODIFIED TERM AGREEMENT, AS WELL AS WELL AS FOR ANY EXPANSION OF THE BOUNDARIES

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OF AN EXISTING TERS.

NOW WE HAD THREE MEMBERS VOTE FOR AND THREE MEMBERS VOTE AGAINST THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SUPERMAJORITY.

ON THE FINAL APPROVAL OF A TERRS OR ANYTHING LISTED IN THAT CAPTION.

NINE BE.

YOU'LL SEE THAT ONE AS A VOTE OF 4 TO 2.

AND IT WAS FOR ADDING A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE REQUIREMENT OF TOWN COUNCIL FOR THE CREATION.

OF A TERSE.

NOW, BRYN. WOULD YOU MIND TAKING A STAB AT AT SUMMARIZING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FINAL APPROVAL AND THE CREATION OF A TERS WHERE IT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR TO EVERYONE? SO THAT WE WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE ALREADY OF ESTABLISHING THE TERMS AS DRAWING THE BOUNDARY ON THE GROUND.

THE THE FINAL APPROVAL ASPECT IS POST CREATION AND ADDRESSES ONLY THE AGREEMENTS THEMSELVES.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THE SORT OF NUANCED DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO TOOLS.

OKAY. LAYMAN'S VERSION.

THAT WAS GREAT. THANK YOU.

LAYMAN'S VERSION.

WHEN COUNCIL CREATES A TERSE, IT DOESN'T HAVE GREAT SPECIFICITY TO BE ABLE TO PASS ALONG.

AS AFTER IT'S CREATED.

THERE IS A LOT OF NEGOTIATION BETWEEN STAFF AND COUNCIL WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEIR TEAM.

SO IN THIS SITUATION, YOU'LL SEE THE VOTE DIFFERENCE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE FINAL APPROVAL.

ONCE MORE SPECIFIC SPECIFICITY IS KNOWN VERSUS THE CREATION.

SO NINE A AND NINE B.

THE THIRD CATEGORY UP HERE OR THIRD COLUMN UP HERE, TALKS ABOUT THE VOTE WHEN THERE'S NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN.

SO LEAVE THE CHARTER LANGUAGE AS IS.

NOW YOU'LL NOTICE MY VOTE.

ON THIS. IF YOU IF YOU BREAK OUT.

WHO VOTED FOR WHAT? IF I VOTED NO ON THIS ONE, BUT LOOKING BACK ON IT.

IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY, THERE'S NO REASON TO MAKE CHANGE.

SO I JUST.

THAT THAT NUFF SAID ON THAT ONE.

BUT STILL, LONG STORY SHORT, IS FINAL APPROVAL SUPERMAJORITY OR CREATION SUPERMAJORITY OR TAKE NO ACTION.

THAT'S A, B AND C NOW.

FIGURED THIS ONE MIGHT CREATE SOME DISCUSSION.

SO SO JUST TO CONFIRM FOR ALL THOSE WATCHING AT HOME AND IN THE AUDIENCE.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING THE LANGUAGE OF A SUPERMAJORITY.

SO THEN JUST TO CONFIRM IT'S NOT REQUIRED THAT IT'S A SUPERMAJORITY AS OF NOW.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS CHANGING THE LANGUAGE FROM SIMPLE MAJORITY THREE OUT OF 5 TO 4 OUT OF FIVE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL WHILE WE'RE ON THIS TOPIC? YEAH, JUST. THIS THE CREATION OF THE TERS? LET'S SAY THAT THAT PASSES UNDER THIS SCENARIO ONE HERE AND THEN THE TERS.

THEN ALL THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS FAIL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A SUPERMAJORITY AND THE TERS EXIST, BUT THERE'S NO AGREEMENT.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FUNDS THAT ARE CAPTURED IN THAT TERS IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT AGREEMENT? THE TERS CAN BE DISSOLVED AND THEN THE FUNDS USED FOR PUBLIC PROJECTS.

BUT THE FUNDS WILL STILL BE SET ASIDE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT IS CREATED.

SO THEN YOU'D HAVE THE TERS, YOU'D HAVE THE FUNDING BEING CAPTURED, BUT YOU WOULD NOT.

IT WOULD. IT'S NOT GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND IN THAT SCENARIO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET TOGETHER ON A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT.

CORRECT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TERS THAT HAS A PORTION GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND ALREADY.

NO, I MEAN, THE PERCENTAGE IN THIS IN OUR SOURCE TWO WOULD BE THE 50%.

SO OKAY, SO JUST GIVEN THAT DISTINCTION, IT SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE THE SAME APPROVAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CREATION AND THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEING ABLE TO CREATE AND CAPTURE FUNDS, BUT THEN NOT BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER ON A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THE CHALLENGE TO THAT IS, THOUGH, IS THAT YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED ABOUT TOURS, TOO, AND WHERE THE DOLLARS HAVE GONE FOR TOURS.

ONE HAVE BEEN FOR MUNICIPAL PROJECTS, AND THOSE WOULD BE TOTALLY OUTSIDE OF ANY SORT OF DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKE 97% OF THE MONEY IN TOURS, ONE HAS ALL BEEN SPENT FOR MUNICIPAL PROJECTS.

THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE THAT HAS GONE TO ANY DEVELOPER OR DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, AND THE WAY THAT WE CREATED TOURS TO THE EXPECTATIONS WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A $380 MILLION.

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TARGET OF TOWN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PAY FOR.

AND THAT THIS TOURS WOULD BE FUNDING THAT.

SO THERE REALLY WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM WITH THAT IF YOU WILL.

THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT THE THE REASON WHY I WOULD WANT TO SEE A SUPERMAJORITY ON THIS TOURS CREATION IS NOT THE DETAILS OF THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT.

IT'S THE FACT THAT WE'RE CAPTURING REVENUE AND KEEPING IT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

THAT'S WHAT THE HIGHER BAR IS REQUIRED FOR, IN MY OPINION.

I'D RATHER SEE THE CREATION HAVE THE HIGHER BAR THAN THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT HAVE THE HIGHER BAR, BUT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE KEEPING MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

FOR EXAMPLE, TOURS NUMBER TWO KEEPS HALF THE MONEY.

NOT ALL THE MONEY, RIGHT.

BUT THAT HALF, THAT HALF WOULD BE THE HIGHER BAR.

THAT'S JUST IT'S THAT PORTION OF IT THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE CONTENTIOUS TO ME THAN THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT ITSELF.

I PROPOSE TAKE NO ACTION BECAUSE I FELT IT WAS REDUNDANT TO SAY, OH, WE HAVE TO DO WE HAVE TO HAVE SUPERMAJORITY FOR THIS AND THIS AND THIS.

BUT WE DO DISCUSS IN OPEN FORUM OUR DIFFERENT IDEAS, AND WE, FOR THE MOST PART DO, THROUGH DELIBERATION IN AN OPEN MEETING, COME TO SOME FORM OF UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT.

AND I ALSO DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO EVEN HAVE VERY MANY MORE TOURS, IF ANY.

SO I THINK IT'S ALMOST IRRELEVANT BECAUSE AFTER THIS TOURS, NUMBER TWO, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT WE EVEN HAVE A TOURS NUMBER THREE.

SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THOUGHT.

THE QUESTION IS, IS, IS AFTER WE CREATED TOURS TWO, THERE'S REALLY NO PLACE FOR TOURS.

THREE RIGHT? SO I THINK IT'S A MOOT POINT IN A WAY.

AND IF WE'RE SYSTEMATICALLY TAKING OUT ALL THESE TOPICS THAT WE DISCOVERED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RELEVANT OR THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH, I DON'T THINK THIS HAS THAT MUCH RELEVANCE.

I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE ANOTHER TOURS.

I WOULD TEND I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU.

THERE'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO KNOW THE TERMS, BUT I'VE HEARD MANY TIMES RESIDENTS WILL SAY, WELL, LOOK AT WHAT TOURS.

TOURS ARE USED FOR IN OTHER AREAS.

AS FAR AS BRINGING UP AN AREA AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, REESTABLISH THE VIABILITY.

AND THAT WAS I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE TOURS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE INITIAL THOUGHTS THAT IT WOULD REVITALIZE AN AREA.

BUT IN MY MIND, REVITALIZATION COULD ALSO MEAN TURN OVER OF PROPERTIES.

BUT THE PARTS OF TOWN THAT ARE OLDER THAT MAY NEED MORE MONEY ARE A LOT OF IT IS RESIDENTIAL.

SO THAT WOULD ALMOST SAY, WELL, ARE WE GOING TO BULLDOZE RESIDENTIAL? WELL, NO, OF COURSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

SO THERE WOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH BETWEEN THE FOUNDATION OR THE BASE AND THEN THE INCREASES.

SO ECONOMICALLY IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE.

OR WHY NOT? GOOD POINT.

THANK YOU. STAFF.

ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO BRING UP AT THIS POINT? ANYBODY WANT TO COMMENT? OH.

THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT, DIXON, FOR GIVING THEM A CHANCE.

AND I WAS VERY THANKFUL THAT WE HAD A GOOD CONTINGENCY OF EXECUTIVE STAFF IN THE MEETINGS.

IT HELPED. IT HELPED DRAMATICALLY.

I DON'T WANT TO. I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T VOICE MY APPRECIATION FOR THE FOR THE FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY SERVED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, AND IT WAS A VERY SEASONED GROUP OF, OF INDIVIDUALS.

SO THAT HELPED OUT DRAMATICALLY.

LET'S SEE. OTHER CHARTER REVIEW TOPICS.

OKAY. HERE IS THE POLICY RECOMMENDATION AND THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SUGGESTION.

SO AS AS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DISCUSSED THESE ITEMS, WE TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES TO MAKE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU TO FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.

THE FIRST ONE IS 7.16.

IT'S AN ELECTION REQUIRED FOR A MUD OR A PID.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO READ THIS ONE.

ADOPT A POLICY THAT WOULD MAKE DEVELOPERS BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ELECTION COSTS RELATED TO THE CREATION OF A MUD OR A PIT.

IT WAS UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED THAT THAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD ARGUE THAT ONE.

SO AND IN THIS SITUATION THAT'S LISTED ON ON PAGE FIVE OF SIX OF YOUR BACKUP, JUST FOR JUST FOR QUICK REFERENCE.

THEN ON A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION AND BACK UP.

IF YOU REALLY DRILL DOWN INTO A LOT OF THESE DISCUSSION ITEMS AND YOU LOOK BACK AT OUR MINUTES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU WILL QUICKLY SEE THAT A LOT OF THE TOPICS THAT WE DISCUSSED. COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE A POLICY ON THESE, SO IT WOULDN'T BE NEEDED TO MAKE A SITUATION WHERE WE CHANGE THE CHARTER LANGUAGE.

COUNCIL CAN SET A POLICY ON TOUCHING ON A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE DID DISCUSS.

STRATEGIC PLANNING SUGGESTION NINE.

HANG ON JUST A SECOND. SO BUT ON THAT TOPIC.

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RIGHT. SO.

IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHICH ONES.

AND AGAIN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR CHANGING THE CHARTER THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY AT ALL.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO HOLDING AN ELECTION FOR THINGS THAT WE COULD OTHERWISE DO ADMINISTRATIVELY WITHOUT INCURRING THE COST, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

I THINK. ARE WE SAYING THAT THAT WE CAN CHANGE THIS WITHOUT.

I'M CONFUSED. NO, THERE STILL HAS TO BE AN ELECTION.

SO THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ELECTION FOR THIS HAS TO BE A POLICY RECOMMENDATION HERE, NOT THE CHARTER.

NO, BUT IT HAS TO BE.

YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY THAT WE SAY THERE COULD BE A PIT OR NOT.

IT HAS TO BE VOTED ON.

I WAS MAKING A GENERAL COMMENT, NOT I HAD LEFT THIS SUBJECT.

I'M SORRY. YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO PAY FOR THE PIT ELECTION WITHOUT THE CHARTER EXPLICITLY SAYING THAT WE COULD JUST HAVE THAT POLICY AS CITY POLICY? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS DETERMINED IN THE CONVERSATIONS OF THE GROUP.

SO A GOOD EXAMPLES.

ARE YOU TOUCHED ON THIS EVENING? OUR CHARTER STIPULATES THAT WE HAD TO HAVE A FUND BALANCE OF 10%, BUT WE'VE SET A POLICY OF 20%.

WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT ELECTION BY POLICY.

YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. THANKS.

THAT'S GOOD. OKAY.

THE LAST ITEM HERE.

9.15 POWER TO TAX.

AGAIN, I'LL JUST READ THIS ONE.

HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION SLASH TAX CEILING THE TOWN COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THE TOPIC OF HIGH PROPERTY TAXES AT A FUTURE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION TO ENSURE THAT CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE RELATED RELATES TO THOSE THAT ARE 65 OR DISABLED.

I THINK COUNCILS HAVE DONE THAT AS A GENERAL RULE SINCE I'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 2004.

BUT IN THIS SITUATION, WHAT THIS THIS STARTED AS A, AS A AS A SUGGESTION THAT WOULD HAVE A CALCULATION BY THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND STAFF TO BE ABLE TO.

JAMES, YOU'RE GOING TO HELP ME ON THIS ONE.

I'LL JUST JUMP IN HERE. STEVE.

SO WE WERE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MANAGING TAX GROWTH AT A AT A MACRO LEVEL.

SO WHEN YOU AVERAGE EVERYTHING OUT, OUR INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS AREN'T SEEING TOO MUCH GROWTH IN THEIR PERSONAL TAX LIABILITY FOR THE TOWN.

BUT IT'S AT THE MICRO LEVEL THAT I'VE GOT CONCERNS.

SO ONE HOME OWNER MIGHT BE SEEING TREMENDOUS APPRAISAL GROWTH THAT'S HITTING THEM IN THE WALLET, WHEREAS SOMEONE JUST DOWN THE STREET MAY NOT BE.

AND IT WAS TRYING TO PUT SOME SORT OF A CAP AT THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY LEVEL SO THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL ISN'T SEEING GROWTH ABOVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT EVERY YEAR.

THAT I DON'T THINK WE'VE QUITE SOLVED FOR THAT YET.

SO THE CLEARLY, THE CHARTER COMMITTEE DID NOT AGREE THAT THERE WAS A PATH FORWARD THROUGH THE CHARTER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DISCUSSION AROUND THAT AS WE GET INTO TAX AND BUDGET SEASON. SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A GENERAL OVERALL CAP FOR EVERYBODY? NO, BECAUSE THIS MENTIONS LIKE ESPECIALLY THOSE OVER 65 DISABLED.

WELL SO THE YOU KNOW HOW THERE'S A 10% CAP ON YOUR APPRAISAL.

NEXT YEAR, YOUR MAXIMUM TAX BILL BY THE TOWN COULD BE 1050.

THAT'S YOUR CAP.

SO IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL CAP THAT HITS THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST KIND OF AVERAGED OUT.

AND HOPEFULLY YOU ROLL THE DICE.

DID WELL WITH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT THIS YEAR, BUT DIDN'T THE STATE ALREADY IMPOSE A MAXIMUM LIMIT ON THE INCREASE OF THE TAXABLE VALUE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE APPRAISED VALUE? RIGHT.

SO IF YOUR APPRAISAL IS CAPPED BUT THE RATE GOES UP, THEN YOU LOSE.

SO IF IT'S A CAP ON YOUR ACTUAL OUT OF POCKET THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT DOES, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE RATE IS.

YOU'RE CAPPED OUT OF POCKET.

SO WE TAKE AWAY SOME OF THOSE LEVERS THAT WE PULL AND WE TRY TO SAY, WE'RE CUTTING YOUR TAXES.

BUT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT'S RAISING I JUST IT'S JUST A HARD CAP.

SO YOU HAVE PREDICTABILITY OVER TIME.

AND YOU WOULD KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THE NEXT YEAR, THE FOLLOWING YEAR, THE FOLLOWING YEAR, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO JUST WAIT AND SEE.

SO IT'S A DISCUSSION ITEM.

I'M I ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CHARTER COMMITTEE.

I JUST WANTED TO GET IT OUT THERE SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

VERY COMPLICATED.

AND YOU'RE RELYING, OF COURSE, ON DENTON CAD TO DO IT.

IT'S NOT REALLY. I MEAN, OUR TAX RATE IS AT A HISTORIC LOW, RIGHT? AND WE HAD SPENT A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS.

WE INCREASED THE SENIOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS.

AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING ANOTHER WORK SESSION ITEM ON IT, YOU KNOW, FEBRUARY, MARCH.

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BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S OKAY TO HAVE A WORK SESSION BECAUSE WE ALL, I THINK, WOULD AGREE.

MAYBE, MAYBE NOT, THAT THE APPRAISAL SYSTEM IS WAY OUT OF WHACK BECAUSE WE'RE BEING TAXED ON UNREALIZED GAINS.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE STATE ALLOWS WITH THEIR APPRAISAL SYSTEM.

AND THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW ON THE BOOKS THAT YOU HAVE TO APPRAISE THE HOME AT THE FULL MARKET VALUE.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE FLOOR NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.

AND AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE DISCIPLINE TO CONTINUE TO SUGGEST STAFF BE CONSERVATIVE IN THEIR PLANNING, AND THEN WE USE TOOLS LIKE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND OTHER EXEMPTIONS, WE CAN MANAGE IT.

BUT THE POLICY SETTING I THINK NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT THE STATE.

BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT.

I THINK IT COULD BE SIMPLIFIED.

I MEAN, WE'RE JUST BASICALLY SAYING PUT A CAP FOR THE AMOUNT RATHER THAN THE APPRAISED AMOUNT THAT GETS TAXED ON THE TAX RATE.

BUT WE ALSO NEED TO SEE WHAT THAT THE CAUSE AND EFFECT OF THAT'S GOING TO DO TO THE REVENUE.

WHAT ARE THE BUDGET. RIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT A CAP.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUR PATROL OFFICERS ON DUTY.

WELL, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LESS THAN 10% BECAUSE THE STATE ALREADY LIMITS IT TO A 10% INCREASE IN TAXABLE VALUE YEAR OVER YEAR.

SO IT JUST HAS TO BE LESS THAN THAT.

AND DO WE WANT TO SAY 5%? 6%? I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE COULD DISCUSS THAT IN A WORK SESSION.

YOU'RE EXACTLY SPOT ON.

IT'S THAT'S EXACTLY THE CONVERSATION I WANT STAFF AVAILABLE FOR IT OKAY.

ALL RIGHT I'LL LEAVE THAT ONE. SLIDE 15.

YEAH. YOU WANT TO COME BACK FOR THAT? YEAH I'LL LET YOU GUYS HANDLE THAT.

NEXT STEPS.

HERE ARE THE THE THE BULLET POINTS THAT THERESA PUT TOGETHER AS FAR AS TIMING FOR YOU.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO WALK THROUGH MR. DIXON, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO WALK THROUGH THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF.

BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD IS THAT YOU ALL WERE GOOD WITH BASICALLY FOUR OF THE FIVE, AND THAT WE ONLY NEED A LITTLE HOMEWORK ON THE TOWN MANAGER AUTHORIZATION TO IDENTIFY THOSE ITEMS THAT THAT 15 TO 50,000, AS WELL AS WHAT OF OUR OUR BENCHMARK CITIES DO.

AND I THINK THAT THE OTHERS AND NOTHING FOR TER.

SO UNLESS YOU ALL WANT TO WALK THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TOURS BECAUSE WE'RE MISSING ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TODAY.

OKAY, I AGREE OKAY.

WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD. THOSE TWO THEN BACK ON THE 18TH.

EVERYTHING ELSE, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO RECYCLE IT BACK.

AND I'M HAPPY TO GET COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR'S FEEDBACK TOO ON THESE TOPICS INDIVIDUALLY JUST TO SEE IF HE HAS SOMETHING.

BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

AND THE RANKING.

THERE WAS 25 RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE ONLY SAW WHAT SIX OR SO ARE THOSE.

THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TO SEND TO BALLOT.

THE RANKINGS FOR THE ONE THROUGH SIX.

I THINK THAT THAT WAS ALL THAT YOU DID.

THOSE WERE FOR THE ONES SPECIFICALLY WHERE THERE ARE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS MADE, MOTIONS MADE.

RIGHT. THERE WASN'T A RANKING ON THE TWO OUTSIDE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, WERE THERE? YEAH, I DIDN'T THINK SO. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE BRINGING THIS BACK IN THE DECEMBER MEETING OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR.

DECEMBER 18TH WILL BRING BACK TWO OF THOSE ITEMS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

SO THEN NOW WE'RE PUSHING IT OUT A WHOLE NOTHER MONTH INTO JANUARY BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY CALL THE ROLL.

CORRECT. YOU ACTUALLY WON'T VOTE ON THESE UNTIL FEBRUARY 5TH, SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS BUILT WITH SOME TIME ALLOTMENT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE MODIFICATIONS IF NEED BE, AND NOT BE RUSHED TO MAKE A DECISION FOR SOMETHING LIKE CHANGING THE CHARTER.

SO YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. AND THEN BRENNAN, JAMES AND I WILL HAVE OUR MARCHING ORDERS AND THEN START TO PREPARE THE BALLOT ITEMS THAT WILL COME FORWARD ON THE FEBRUARY 5TH AGENDA FOR APPROVAL IN THE WAY OF AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING THAT LANGUAGE.

SO, THERESA, ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED JUST IN THE PACKET IS THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE ACTUAL MINUTE MEETING, MEETING MINUTES, SORRY, ON OCTOBER 10TH AND THE PRESENTATION IN THE SLIDES.

AND THEN I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO COME BACK TO THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP DISCUSSION, BUT I DIDN'T SEE WHERE WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP ON THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM AN ELECTION CYCLE AND INTO A TOWN COUNCIL.

AGENDA ITEM.

AND I THINK WHEN WE TO ANNE'S POINT, I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER WHAT THE WHAT THE INTENT OF THE PROHIBITION OR, OR THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS GOING TO A BALLOT, WHAT THAT INTENT WAS, AND THEN SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE TOWN AND THE RESIDENTS MAY HAVE MISSED OUT ON BECAUSE OF THAT.

AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, RAY WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS, MR. MAYOR, AND I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US ALL TO REVISIT THAT ONE ITEM, BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME MISSED OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN ELECTION THAT THE TOWN MIGHT HAVE REALLY BENEFITED FROM.

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AND WE CAN THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT DIDN'T GO FORWARD AS A VOTE.

SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T COME FORWARD ON ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN IT WAS VOTED ON.

BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, WE WE AS A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, DID HAVE AT LENGTH DISCUSSIONS ON THIS.

AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OF FLOWER MOUND WAS RAY WAS WAS THERE AND.

OFTEN YOU WILL HEAR LEADERS TALK ABOUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF A SITUATION WHERE.

IT HAS TO GO TO VOTERS.

IS THAT THAT HURDLE MAY MAKE AN ORGANIZATION, A COMPANY, A CORPORATION, OR AN INDIVIDUAL BYPASS FLOWER MOUND AND GO TO THE ADJACENT CITY OR THE CITY ACROSS THE DFW AREA.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RAY DID SHARE WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WAS SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME MISSED OPPORTUNITIES.

BECAUSE. THE DEVELOPER, THE APPLICANT POTENTIAL APPLICANT SAW IN OUR RULES AND OUR LAWS THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ELECTION.

AND THEY SAID, WELL, I JUST DON'T WANT TO I JUST THAT'S TOO IT'S TOO LARGE OF A HURDLE TO CLEAR.

WITH IT BEING COMPLETELY UNKNOWN, I WOULD RATHER HAVE A LITTLE CERTAINTY AND GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.

SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO HAVE A LONGER DISCUSSION ON THAT.

WASN'T PART OF THE PRESENTATION FORMALLY, BUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

I DO BELIEVE WISE COUNSEL ON THIS TOPIC WOULD BE TO CONSIDER AND SIT DOWN WITH RAY AS COLLECTIVELY AS A COUNCIL, AND LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY TO WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE THAT WE HAVE MISSED AS A COMMUNITY.

WOULD YOU ALL BE IN FAVOR OF ADDING THAT TO OUR NEXT DISCUSSION AT OUR NEXT MEETING? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT. OKAY.

GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANOTHER ITEM? YEAH.

ONE MORE. HUH? POTENTIALLY IN THE INTEREST OF NOT PROVIDING TOO MANY ITEMS TO VOTERS.

CAN WE BUNDLE ANY OF THESE TOGETHER? COULD WE HAVE THE TOWN MANAGER CONTRACTS AND RESIDENCY BE A SINGLE ITEM? I THINK THEY'RE SEPARATE.

SO THE THE AG HAS REALLY TACKED DOWN ON MAKING SURE THAT EACH SEPARATE TOPIC IS A DIFFERENT, DISTINCT MEASURE.

I CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT, BUT THERE HAS TO BE A TIGHT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TOPICS IN ORDER TO BUNDLE THEM ANYMORE.

I ONLY ASK BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO SEND 6 OR 7 ITEMS. I MIGHT WANT TO SEND 3 OR 4.

SO IF WE HAVE TO PICK AND CHOOSE, THEN YOU KNOW A FEW OF THESE MIGHT NOT MAKE THE CUT IN.

THE GENERAL RULE IS THEY HAVE TO EACH BE THEIR OWN DISTINCT ITEM.

OKAY, WE WE CAN REEVALUATE NEXT YEAR AND ADD ADD.

NO, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING A CHARTER REVIEW.

FOR ANOTHER. IT WOULD ONLY BE THE MAY BALLOT THOUGH.

ADAM. THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF RECTANGLE BOXES ON IT.

IT'S NOT LIKE IN MY OPINION, IF WE HAVE SIX BOXES VERSUS FOUR, AND IF I'M GOING TO VOTE, I'M MAKING THE EFFORT TO GO AND VOTE.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN ARBITRARY NUMBER, LIKE ONLY THREE THINGS, ONLY FIVE THINGS.

I WANT TO BRING FORWARD THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL RECOMMENDS, WE LOOK AT AS A BODY OF VOTERS.

STATE LAW WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO HOLD A CHARTER ELECTION MORE FREQUENTLY THAN EVERY TWO YEARS.

YEAH. SO CAN WE MAKE SURE IN TWO YEARS, IF WE DO PULL SOME ITEMS OUT, THAT WE REEVALUATE THOSE ITEMS? THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL. YEAH.

OKAY. SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO MAKE BUT THAT IS PART OF THE CHARGE OF THE ONGOING WELL NOT ONGOING.

THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IS CHARGED WITH REEXAMINING ONES THAT FAILED IN THE PAST.

SO THAT IS A STANDARD EXPECTATION.

AND LET ME ALSO SHARE WITH YOU JUST A SCENARIO THAT HAPPENED WHEN I WAS BROUGHT ON BOARD.

SO IT'S ONLY ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS.

HOWEVER, A YEAR IS DEFINED AS 365 DAYS.

AND SO IF THE UNIFORM ELECTION DATE IN MAY 2ND YEARS FROM NOW DOES NOT IS NOT FAR ENOUGH AWAY, THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT.

YES. TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

THREE YEARS. OKAY.

WE MISSED IT BY.

COUPLE OF DAYS OR A WEEK.

YEAH, WE MISSED THAT OPPORTUNITY AT ONE POINT, AT LEAST ONE POINT IN THE PAST IN YOUR TWO YEARS AWAY FROM THE FIVE YEAR REVIEW REQUIREMENT.

SO IT'S JUST RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? I BELIEVE THAT'S IT.

IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONGRATULATE AND THANK ANDY.

CANCEL FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[K.2. Green Waste Program Options - Consider and discuss green waste program options presented by Republic Services. ]

ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, OUR GREEN WASTE PROGRAM OPTIONS.

WE HAVE TOMMY WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JERRY HARWELL, THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES MANAGER, REPUBLIC SERVICES.

I THINK TOMMY'S GOING TO KICK IT OFF.

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OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'VE GOT A FEW SLIDES HERE.

AND I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT OUR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OF SCC ARE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT, MARILYN LAWSON AND JAMES SEASTROM.

SO IF THE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EX ROLE IN INPUT ON THIS TOPIC, THEY ARE THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND MINE WILL BE BRIEF.

I DON'T WANT TO STEAL ANY JERRY'S THUNDER ON ALL THE THINGS THAT SHE'S WORKED HARD TO PUT TOGETHER AND AND BRING FORWARD TONIGHT.

JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND.

FIRST ONE IS GREEN WASTE.

FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WHAT THAT IS, IT'S A DECOMPOSABLE PLANT MATERIALS.

IT'S YOUR BRUSH, YOUR LEAVES, GRASS, WEEDS AND OTHER VEGETATION.

AND FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T AWARE, THAT'S THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING COLLECTED THROUGH YOUR NORMAL COLLECTION DAY.

BUT INSTEAD OF IT BEING DIVERTED FROM THE LANDFILL, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO THE LANDFILL.

SO WHAT SEC HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS A GREEN WASTE RECYCLING PROGRAM THAT INVOLVES BASICALLY PUTTING YOUR GREEN WASTE INTO COMPOSTABLE BAGS. THOSE ONES YOU CAN GET AT HOME DEPOT OR LOWE'S.

KROGER, I THINK, SELLS THEM AND PUTTING THEM OUT ON YOUR CURB.

THE RECENT HISTORY ON THIS AND WHY IT'S HERE TONIGHT IS THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE SEC DURING A WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL BACK IN MAY.

SO COUNCIL REQUESTED A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO DISCUSS OPTIONS.

REPRESENTATIVE OF PUBLIC SERVICES PRESENTED THAT TO COUNCIL ON JULY 20TH.

COUNCIL ASKED STAFF TO WORK WITH THE PUBLIC AND ON SOME OPTIONS AND BRIEF SEC.

SO JERRY PRESENTED THOSE OPTIONS TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 7TH REGARDING A PILOT PROGRAM.

BUT. THE HISTORY IS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THAN THAT.

THE TOWN'S BEEN DISCUSSING THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

IT GOES, IT GOES. SORRY.

THIS GOES BACK AS FAR AS JULY 19TH, 2012.

AND IT USUALLY KIND OF EVOLVES AROUND OR COMES UP AROUND THE TIME THE TOWN IS DISCUSSING ITS SOLID WASTE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS, OR WHEN IT WAS WHEN THOSE OPTIONS COME OUT. SO THIS HAS BEEN A LONG STANDING INITIATIVE OF THE EAC.

WE'VE SURVEYED RESIDENTS THROUGH OUR RESIDENT SURVEY IN 2009, 2011 AND 2019.

I PROVIDED EXCERPTS OF THAT IN THE AGENDA ITEM.

AND THESE ARE THOSE EXCERPTS.

I WON'T I WON'T LINGER TOO LONG ON THESE, BUT THOSE ARE THE RESULTS THERE.

I WILL POINT OUT THAT IN THE 2011 SURVEY, THE THE OPINION CHANGED BECAUSE IN 2011 WE ASKED ABOUT THE PROGRAM, WHETHER INTEREST IN THAT PROGRAM AND WE HAD A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO AT THAT TIME IN 2011, THE COST OF THE PROGRAM WAS $1.

82 SO YOU CAN SEE THAT NOT AT ALL INTERESTED CHANGED IN THE SOMEWHAT AND VERY INTERESTED CHANGED.

I WILL POINT OUT THE 2019 SURVEY BECAUSE WE ASKED THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

WE DID HAVE A NUMBER, AND AT THAT TIME IT HAD GONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THE SCALE WAS NOT IMPORTANT, SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT, VERY ESSENTIAL.

SO THAT'S THE RESIDENTS SENTIMENT THAT WE HAVE UP TO THIS POINT REGARDING A GREEN WASTE RECYCLING PROGRAM.

SO THE EAC FEEDBACK FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION OF THE PILOT PROGRAM, REPUBLIC PRESENTED TWO OPTIONS.

I WON'T GO INTO THOSE DETAILS.

THAT'S REALLY JERRY CAN PROVIDE YOU ALL THOSE DETAILS AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

BUT THERE WERE KIND OF TWO OPTIONS.

ONE INCLUDED A COST THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVEN'T BUDGETED FOR.

SO IF THAT'S AN OPTION THE COUNCIL CHOOSES, WE CAN TALK ABOUT A BUDGET PROPOSAL FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND THEN THE SECOND OPTION REPUBLIC WAS PROPOSING TO ABSORB THOSE COSTS, BUT IT WOULD TAKE SOME MODIFICATION OF OUR CURRENT FRANCHISE AGREEMENT REGARDING WHAT THEY TERM EXTRA YARDAGE FEES ON COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS WHO OVERFILL THEIR CONTAINERS, WHICH CAN BE DANGEROUS FOR THE DRIVERS.

AND JERRY CAN GO INTO THAT DETAIL FOR YOU.

GENERALIZED FEEDBACK AND I THIS IS WHY CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR HERE, IF YOU HAVE SOME SPECIFICS YOU WANT TO DISCUSS WITH THEM REGARDING SPECIFIC FEEDBACK.

SO THIS IS GENERALIZED.

THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY DON'T WE JUST MOVE TO FULL IMPLEMENTATION.

WHY DO WE NEED TO WORK ON A PILOT PROGRAM.

THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY CAN THIS NOT BE SOMETHING THAT A RESIDENT CAN OPT INTO.

IF THE TOWN WERE TO CHOOSE UNDER THE THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT TO BEGIN A PROGRAM, IT WOULD BE A TOWN WIDE COST.

AND JERRY CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHY THAT IS.

THERE'S ALSO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT INCENTIVIZING THE USE OF USE INSTEAD OF BEING A TOWN WIDE PROGRAM.

AND THEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF MULCH BACK TO THE RESIDENTS, SINCE IT'S COMING FROM RESIDENT YARDS AND THE AVAILABILITY OF YARD BAGS AND PROVIDING THOSE KIND OF FREE OF CHARGE.

SO FOLLOWING THAT DISCUSSION, WE ENGAGED JERRY AGAIN, AND SHE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE US AN ESTIMATE TO FULLY IMPLEMENT A GREEN WASTE PROGRAM.

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SO AT LEAST COUNCIL HAD THAT OPTION TO CONSIDER.

SO FOR THIS ITEM TONIGHT, WE'RE REALLY JUST SEEKING DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON IMPLEMENTING ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS THAT JERRY WILL COVER.

AND FOR THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JERRY UNLESS COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.

COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT, MISS HARBAUGH.

YOU CAN START THERE. START WITH THE QUESTION AND ANSWER.

YEAH, YEAH. LET'S SEE.

THERE YOU GO. GOT IT.

OKAY. I'M JERRY HARWELL TONIGHT REPRESENTING REPUBLIC SERVICES, 551 HUFFINES BOULEVARD, LEWISVILLE, TEXAS.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS GREENWAYS PROGRAM.

AND SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS AND JUST STOP ME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS SO MUCH I DON'T KNOW WHO KNOWS WHAT.

SO BASICALLY YOU YOU'RE YOU WERE UNDER A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT WHEN THIS WAS PUT OUT FOR RFP IN 2016.

SO WASTE MANAGEMENT HAD IT FOR FIVE YEARS.

BUT PRIOR TO THAT REPUBLIC SERVICES HAD IT AT THAT TIME.

SO WHEN WE DID THE RFP, WE WERE ASKED FOR OPTIONS FOR GREEN WASTE, AND THAT'S WHEN WE GAVE AN AMOUNT.

AND YOU HAD TO TELL US WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT.

WELL, WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

IT WAS A YEAR LATER.

AND SO THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE WHERE WE ARE.

SO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE ONE TIME A WEEK FOR CUBIC YARDS, WHICH DOES INCLUDE BULK AND GRAY WASTE, WE BELIEVE 65% OF THE BULK THAT IS PUT OUT IS GREEN WASTE, ESPECIALLY IN THE HEAVIER TIMES OF THE YEAR, SPRING AND FALL.

AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU HAVE ONCE A WEEK RECYCLE, AIR COLLECTION, HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE, MONTHLY LANDFILL ACCESS.

WE DO THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW BECAUSE ONE OF THE OPTIONS INCLUDES A LITTLE MODIFICATION TO THAT.

AND THEN WE DO GET AN ANNUAL PRICE INCREASE OF 2.6% EFFECTIVE EVERY OCTOBER 1ST, WHICH DOES HAVE TO PUT IN THE NEWSPAPER.

SO IF WE CAN GO DIGITAL, IT WOULD MAKE EVERYBODY'S LIFE A LOT EASIER.

SO THE THERE ARE TYPICALLY TWO OPTIONS WITH THE WITH A GREEN WASTE PROGRAM.

SO YOU CAN DO IT DURING SEASONAL.

IT CAN BE ONE TIME A MONTH OR YOU CAN DO EVERY WEEK GREEN WASTE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT CAN GO INTO THIS.

AND NOT EVERYBODY'S PROGRAM IS IDENTICAL.

SO WE PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE BELIEVED WOULD BE THE BEST BASED ON WHAT WE CURRENTLY SEE IN FLOWER MOUND.

SO WE WERE INITIALLY ASKED ABOUT A PILOT PROGRAM TO FIND OUT IF THE RESIDENTS WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS PROGRAM.

THIS IS WHERE IT STARTED WITH THE PILOT PROGRAM.

SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT DOING A PILOT PROGRAM, WE WOULD PICK ONE ROUTE EACH DAY OF.

THE WEEK AND DO GREENWASTE, AND WE WOULD NOTIFY THOSE CUSTOMERS AHEAD OF TIME AND EXPLAIN EVERYTHING, WHICH I'LL GO INTO FURTHER DETAIL IN JUST A SECOND.

AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THE RESULTS.

THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION, THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO SAY NO, I DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE.

AND THEN WE COULD REPORT THAT BACK AS WELL.

SO JERRY, ONE QUESTION.

YOU'RE GOING TO DO ONE ROUTE PER DAY FOR EACH DAY OF THE WEEK.

HOW MANY ROUTES ARE DONE IN A DAY? I KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO ASK ME THAT.

AND I THINK WE RUN.

FIVE SIX.

THERE'S 5 OR 6 TRASH ROUTES PER DAY, SO WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN.

THE TOWN BASICALLY.

SO. BUT THAT WOULD GIVE US THAT WOULD GIVE US A GOOD BREAKDOWN, BECAUSE THE WAY THAT OUR ROUTES ARE AND WE WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO DO THAT. SO THE ROUTES WOULD BE CHOSEN BY REPUBLICAN STAFF.

WE WOULD GO OVER THE ROUTES AND WE WOULD CHOOSE THOSE TOGETHER.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET GOOD DEMOGRAPHICS, AND THEN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE AREAS THAT ARE HEAVILY TREED AND THE ONES THAT ARE NOT.

THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE DOING A GREEN WASTE PILOT.

THE TIME OF YEAR THAT WE RECOMMEND WOULD BE OCTOBER TO NOVEMBER.

OBVIOUSLY NOT THIS YEAR AND THEN OR MARCH OR APRIL, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE TIMES THAT MOST OF THE LEAVES FALL AND TREES GET TRIMMED AND ALL OF THAT. SO HOW THE IT GOES OUT, WE WOULD SEND A LETTER OUT TO EACH RESIDENT ON THE ROUTES THAT ARE SELECTED WITH THE

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DATES OF THE PILOT PROGRAM, HOW IT WORKS, WHY WE'RE DOING IT.

INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO DO IT.

THIS IS WHERE THEY WOULD NEED TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR, BECAUSE INSTEAD OF PUTTING LEAVES IN BLACK PLASTIC BAGS, THEY WOULD NOW NEED TO PUT LEAVES IN MULCH BAGS.

AND IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE MULCH BAG, IT'S THOSE BROWN PAPER SACKS THAT YOU CAN GET AT WALMART.

SAM'S, I MEAN, ALL KINDS OF PLACES.

UM, AND THEN WHICH IS ACTUALLY EASIER TO PUT LEAVES IN THAN IT IS TO PUT IT IN BLACK BAGS IF YOU WANT MY OPINION.

BUT I DON'T BAG MY LEAVES.

SO LET ME JUST SAY THAT.

AND NEITHER DOES MY YARD GUY.

I THINK YOU SHOULD MULCH THEM BACK INTO THE EARTH, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN FLOWER MOUND THAT DON'T FEEL THAT WAY.

A LOT OF PEOPLE IN A LOT OF CITIES DON'T FEEL THAT WAY.

WE WOULD DO THE COLLECTION WOULD BE THE SAME DAY AS TRASH.

WE WOULD EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT THE TRASH CART AND THEN THE BULK, AND THEN THE GREEN WASTE AND THEN THE RECYCLE.

SO PRETTY SOON YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS WHOLE ARRAY OF STUFF ACROSS THE FRONT YARD, BECAUSE IT ALL GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT SEPARATED.

UM, THEY WOULD HAVE A DEDICATED EMAIL FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE RESIDENTS.

THAT WOULD BE IT WOULD NOT ACTUALLY BE MY EMAIL, BUT IT WOULD BE A DEDICATED EMAIL TO ME TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS, SINCE I'M THE ONE THAT PUTS IT ALL TOGETHER.

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, PART OF MY BACKGROUND IS MARKET RESEARCH, AND I USED TO DO THESE TYPES OF THINGS FOR A LIVING AND FOCUS GROUPS AND CALL PEOPLE ON THE PHONE.

THOSE ANNOYING PEOPLE I HANG UP ON.

NOW, I USED TO DO THAT.

SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR ON HOW THIS WORKS.

UM, AGAIN, THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IF THEY CHOSE NOT TO, AND THEN WE WOULD TRACK THE TONNAGE FOR EACH ROUTE. ON THE DAY THAT IT'S SERVICED, THE MATERIAL WOULD GO TO LIVING EARTH AND THEN SURVEY RESIDENT.

WE WOULD SURVEY THE RESIDENTS FOLLOWING THE PROGRAM.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE.

IT WOULD BE QUESTIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE EASE OF USING IT? YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

NOT DO YOU WANT TO PAY $3 MORE A MONTH? THERE WOULD BE A RANGE IN THERE.

WHEN YOU'RE ASKING PEOPLE'S OPINION, YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF A RANGE.

YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST GO RIGHT INTO IT, BECAUSE THEN THEY GET HONED IN ON THAT AND THEY FORGET ABOUT WHAT IT IS.

YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTIONS THAT'S BASED ON EXPERIENCE.

UM, OKAY.

SO THAT'S HOW THE PROGRAM WOULD WORK.

NOW WE GET TO THE COST.

SO LIKE I SAID, ORIGINALLY WE WERE ASKED ABOUT A PILOT PROGRAM, SO WE CAME UP WITH WHAT IT COST US TO RUN A TRUCK, WHAT IT COST US TO DISPOSE OF IT AND DO ALL OF THAT.

AND WE HAD TO KIND OF USE THAT 65%, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA.

AND WE CAME UP WITH $65,000 FOR 60 DAYS, OR OUR GENERAL MANAGER CAME UP WITH THIS REALLY GREAT IDEA, BECAUSE WE HAVE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS IN THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND THAT OVERFILL THEIR CONTAINERS, AND WE CALL THAT A THEFT OF TRASH THERE BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT INCREASE THEIR CONTAINER SIZE OR INCREASE THE FREQUENCY THAT THEY'RE SERVICED, AND THEY THINK THAT IT'S OKAY THAT THEY STACK ALL THOSE BAGS AROUND IT, AND THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO PICK THAT UP.

THE CONTRACT CURRENTLY BASICALLY STATES THAT WE JUST WE DON'T HAVE TO PICK THEM UP.

OKAY. THAT'S A BAD IDEA.

IF YOU'RE IN MY BUSINESS, OKAY.

BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO CALL, THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLAIN AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ALL OF THE FACTS.

THE OTHER THING I COULD DO IS SEND A LIST TO CODE ENFORCEMENT EVERY DAY.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT CODE ENFORCEMENT TO BE THE TRASH POLICE ANY MORE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE.

SO WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL AN EXCESS CHARGE EXTRA YARDAGE RATE.

AND IT'S 45.

IT USED TO BE $30 PER YARD.

BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S KIND OF A GUESS WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT IF IT'S ONE BAG OR TWO BAGS, YOU KNOW.

SO WE WENT AWAY WITH THAT AND WE DID JUST A FLAT FEE AND IT'S $45 IF THEY'RE OVER, IF THEY'VE GOT TOO MANY YARDS THEN IT'S A $45 FEE.

IT TAKES THEM A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE PICTURES.

WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED AND THEN THEY GET BILLED FOR THAT.

SO THAT ENCOURAGES THEM TO DO INCREASE THE DAYS OF SERVICE OR INCREASE THEIR CONTAINER SIZE.

SO AND IT'S ONLY A CHARGE THAT'S DONE TO THE PEOPLE THAT VIOLATE.

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IT'S NOT A FLAT $45 TO EVERY COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER.

SO THAT'S IMPORTANT.

SO THEN WE WERE ROCKING RIGHT ALONG AND WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING THE PILOT PROGRAM ROUTE.

AND THEN I WAS ASKED TO COME UP WITH A RATE TO JUST IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM, NOT GO WITH THE PILOT, BECAUSE RESIDENTS HAVE ALREADY TOLD US WHAT THEIR FEELINGS ARE AND THEY'VE BEEN SURVEYED MULTIPLE TIMES.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOREVER.

SO. I CAME UP WITH A REALLY BRILLIANT IDEA THAT WE ADDED THIS TO.

ADDED TO WHAT? YOU CURRENTLY HAVE YOUR CURRENT CONTRACT.

OKAY. THERE'S TWO REASONS.

IF IF WE BASE RENEWING DOING ANOTHER FIVE YEAR CONTRACT WHERE I HAVE TO GO AND GET NEW EQUIPMENT AND JUSTIFY ALL OF THAT UNDER THE CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS.

FLOWER MOUND IS NOT GOING TO LIKE THE RATE.

ON YOUR TRASH RECYCLE OR THE YARD WASTE UNDER CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS, BUT I HAVE.

TRUCKS AVAILABLE WHERE WE CAN IMPLEMENT THIS FROM NOW UNTIL THE END OF THIS CURRENT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS.

THREE THREE.

26. THREE YEARS I WAS PRETTY CLOSE, SO IT WOULD BE $2.50 PER RESIDENT.

WE WOULD PAY PER MONTH.

AND THEN I'M ASKING COUNCIL TO LET US HAVE THE EXCESS CHARGE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU WANT ME TO GO UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT AND JUST STOP PICKING THOSE PEOPLE UP.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY BAD THING.

AND THEN WHILE I'M IN HERE, I MIGHT AS WELL JUST GO AHEAD AND ASK.

YOUR 2.6% ANNUAL INCREASE ISN'T EVEN COMING CLOSE TO OUR COST.

OKAY? IT ISN'T, AND I'VE BEEN IN HERE.

I'VE TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THE COST OF RECYCLING AND AND WE'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS.

SO WHILE I'M HERE, I MIGHT AS WELL JUST THROW THAT ON THE THROW IT OUT THERE.

AT THE SAME TIME SOMEBODY ASKED WHY THIS CANNOT BE LIKE, THIS HOUSE DOES IT, THIS HOUSE DOES IT, THIS HOUSE DOES IT, THIS HOUSE DOES IT.

WHO'S GOING TO KEEP UP WITH THAT NIGHTMARE? WHO'S GOING TO KNOW WHO'S GETTING BILLED FOR THAT? WHO'S GOING TO KNOW IF THEY'RE REALLY PAYING FOR IT? OR AND IT BECOMES JUST AN OVERALL BILLING NIGHTMARE.

IT'S THE EXACT SAME REASON WHY WE DON'T LET RECYCLE CURBSIDE RECYCLE BE OPTIONAL OR H H W BE OPTIONAL.

THAT'S WHY EVERY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT RESIDENTS DO AND WHAT RESIDENTS DON'T.

WE HAVE RESIDENTS IN EVERY CITY THAT WE HAVE THAT WHERE YOU HAVE LIMITS.

THEY'LL JUST MOVE THEIR EXTRA 15 YARDS, YOU KNOW, THREE HOUSES DOWN.

YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE AT EACH HOUSE.

OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T GO WITH THE WHOLE PAY AS YOU THROW SITUATION.

SO. TOWNWIDE PROGRAM WILL ADD ROUTES.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE TRUCK.

SO THESE ARE THINGS I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF.

THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES, OBVIOUSLY ADDITIONAL WEAR AND TEAR ON YOUR STREETS BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING A TRUCK.

RESIDENT BEHAVIOR HAS TO CHANGE.

THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WHICH THEY ALREADY HAVE TO CUT, TIE AND BUNDLE.

SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

WE HAVE SOME CITIES ON GREENWAYS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND THEN THEY DID.

THAT'S A LITTLE HARD, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BAG THEIR LEAVES OR PUT THEM IN DISPOSABLE CONTAINERS THAT WE CAN JUST EMPTY INTO THE TRUCK. THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO USE PLASTIC BAGS.

THEY CAN'T HAVE A TREE SITTING ON TOP OF THEIR GREEN.

I MEAN A CHAIR SIT ON TOP OF THEIR GREEN WASTE TO HOLD IT DOWN.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SEPARATED BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE SEPARATE TRUCKS.

UM. THESE ARE ALL MINIMAL CHANGES TO YOUR CURRENT AGREEMENT.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD MEASURE BY ADDING IT FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

THAT'S KIND OF YOUR PILOT PROGRAM, RIGHT? IF THEY'RE NOT USING IT AND WE GET, YOU KNOW, WE JUST CAN'T CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR, THEN YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO REMOVE THAT AT YOUR NEXT RENEWAL.

SO. THAT'S MY PART.

THANK YOU. JERRY. DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? ALL RIGHT, I'LL GO FIRST.

THANK YOU. JERRY, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THANKS TO THE SEC, WHO DID A LOT OF WORK TO TRY TO FLUSH THIS OUT.

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER WITH THE SEC CHARGE.

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I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO YOU AT ALL, THAT PEOPLE JUST TRY TO JAM AS MUCH AS THEY CAN IN THERE AND THE OVERFLOW, AND THEN THEY EXPECT YOU TO PICK IT UP.

AND I THINK IT IS A HEALTH HAZARD TO TO LEAVE TRASH THERE.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE.

BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT ADDITIONAL FEE.

AND I WOULD EVEN BE INTERESTED IN HEARING IF IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN $45.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BARGAIN.

SO PEOPLE MIGHT JUST BE LIKE, OH YEAH, I'LL JUST CHARGE.

I'LL JUST PAY 45 MORE.

SO YOU ALL FIGURE THAT OUT.

AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE IF YOU THINK IT WARRANTS AN INCREASE.

THE SECOND THING IS, I HAD AN IDEA WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OPTING IN BECAUSE JUST DRIVING AROUND TOWN, I SEE A NUMBER OF HOMES THAT HAVE LAWN SERVICES, AND THE LAWN SERVICE TAKES AWAY THE GREEN WASTE.

SO WHAT IF INSTEAD OF YOU CONTROLLING IT BY ADDRESS OR BILLING OR SPECIAL CART, YOU COULD LOOK AT CONTROLLING IT BY SELLING BRANDED BAGS, OR THE TOWN COULD ASSIST IN THAT, WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY BUY THE BAG.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE FEE LIVES, SO TO SPEAK.

RIGHT. AND YOU WON'T PICK UP ANY GREEN WASTE UNLESS IT'S IN THE BRANDED BAG.

THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY PREPAID, WHICH ACTUALLY MIGHT BE GOOD FOR A POSITIVE CASH FLOW.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CUT, CUTOUT AND BUNDLED FENCE PANELS AND THE CUT TIED AND BUNDLED? THEN YOU DON'T. THEN YOU DON'T TAKE THAT ANYMORE.

I MEAN, TAKING FENCE PANELS.

WELL, TAKING FENCE PANELS AWAY, I MEAN, HONESTLY, MOST MANY PEOPLE I WON'T SAY MOST MANY PEOPLE HAVE CONTRACTORS TO DO FENCES AND THEY TAKE IT AWAY FOR YOU.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST KIND OF CHANGING WHERE IN THE WASTE STREAM.

WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING WHAT AWAY? WELL, BUT YOU DO CUT OUT THE PEOPLE THAT TRIM THEIR TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WELL, THEY COULD USE THE BAGS IF YOU HAD THE PILOT PROGRAM LIMBS IN THOSE BAGS, BECAUSE THEN IT'S TOO HEAVY FOR US TO PICK UP.

SO IN ADDITION, THOSE BAGS GET WET.

THEY DISINTEGRATE.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE BAGS, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO TAKE THE BUNDLES IF I BUNDLED IT.

MHM. BUT SO ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT KIND OF LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION.

BUT I HAVE TO BE BAGGED.

OKAY. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALLOWED EACH OF US INCLUDED IN OUR PRICE TO PUT FOUR CUBIC YARDS OF GREEN WASTE ON THE CURB OR BULK GREEN AND BULK.

CORRECT? YES.

SO YOU ARE PICKING THAT UP.

IT'S JUST THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PAY MORE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT TRUCK.

PAY FOR IT? WELL, YES.

OKAY, SO I'M JUST ASKING, IS THAT TRUE BEHIND ME? BECAUSE I THOUGHT I SAW HER EARLIER.

IS SHE BEHIND ME? OKAY, SO MARYLAND WOULD SAY TO YOU, WE NEED TO GET THE GREEN WASTE OUT OF THE LANDFILL.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, SO.

BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THE STEPS IN THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

RIGHT. BECAUSE IF I'M ALREADY PAYING INCLUDED TO HAVE THESE THINGS TAKEN AWAY, THEN DO I GET A DISCOUNT FOR THEN HAVING THEM TAKEN AWAY BY A TRUCK THAT GETS THEM OUT OF THE LANDFILL? BECAUSE NOW YOU WON'T HAVE 65% OF THE BULK AND BUNDLED.

YOU WON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE.

IT'LL ALL BE GOING.

BUT WE'RE WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE BULK, AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T.

65% OF IT, YOU WON'T.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS, YES, ON MY PART, YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO LIVING EARTH AND NOT FILL UP YOUR LANDFILL BY CHOICE.

PEOPLE CAN DO IT BY CHOICE.

YOU CAN DO IT RATHER THAN HAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHICH YOU HAD ONE OF THE STATISTICS UP ABOUT, I THINK YOU HAD HOW MANY PEOPLE DO IT AND HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T.

MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T NEED IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE SUBSIDIZING ALL THE REST OF THE TOWN.

AND THEN THE SAME THING WITH PEOPLE THAT DON'T RECYCLE, IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE.

SAME WITH PEOPLE THAT DON'T USE THE H W PROGRAM.

BUT RECYCLING IS INCLUDED.

WE'RE NOT PAYING AN EXTRA SEPARATE FEE FOR RECYCLING.

I'VE. I'VE LIVED IN THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND FOR 14 YEARS AND I NEVER HAVE BULK, EVER.

IT'S INCLUDED. YOU'RE NOT PAYING EITHER.

YOU'RE NOT PAYING $202.50 MORE.

NO, BUT IF I WANTED IF I WANTED TO BAG IT AND DO IT APPROPRIATELY, THEN I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO PAY THAT REGARDLESS IF I USED IT OR NOT. IT'S THE SAME WITH THE H H W PROGRAM.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THIS IS NOT JERRY HARWELL STANDING HERE TRYING TO SELL YOU THIS PROGRAM.

THIS IS THE TOWN COMING TO ME SAYING, HOW CAN WE DO THIS? AND I CAN'T PUT ANOTHER TRUCK OUT THERE REGARDLESS IF THERE'S A COST TO RUN THAT TRUCK, I STILL HAVE TO RUN THE BULK TRUCK.

I STILL HAVE TO RUN THE GREENWASTE TRUCK.

OKAY. I HAVE TO PAY THE DISPOSAL AT THE FACILITY, JUST LIKE I HAVE TO PAY THE DISPOSAL OF THE LANDFILL.

SO, JERRY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT JUST FOR A MINUTE.

OKAY. SO. ON WEDNESDAY MORNING, YOU GUYS COME BY MY HOUSE AND YOU GET THE GREEN CONTAINER, USUALLY THE BLUE CONTAINER FIRST, BUT THEN YOU GET THE GREEN CONTAINER.

SO THAT'S TWO TRUCKS GOING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO IF WE'RE DOING THE GREEN WASTE ON THAT SAME WEDNESDAY MORNING, THERE WOULD BE A THIRD TRUCK COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

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RIGHT. SO.

ALSO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL I MEAN, IT'S NOT A WORK SESSION, SO WE CAN'T HAVE LIKE TECHNICALLY AN OPEN DISCUSSION, BUT.

I'M ALL FOR TRYING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT.

OF ITEMS GOING INTO THE LANDFILL.

BUT. I'M VERY HAPPY WITH REPUBLIC SERVICES.

I'M VERY HAPPY WITH MY BUNDLE, AND I TRIM MY TREE AND I SET IT OUT THERE AND I PUT MY LEAVES, I'M SORRY, IN THE PLASTIC BAGS.

RIGHT. AND I STACK THEM ALL UP NICE.

AND HONESTLY, FOR EVERYONE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT FEW FOR CUBIC WHATEVER IS, BUT I PUT A BUNCH OF STUFF OUT THERE, RIGHT? AND THEN MAGICALLY, IT'S GONE.

AND I'M NOT RUNNING AND BUYING SPECIAL BAGS.

I WOULD LOVE TO.

IF I HAD TO, I WOULD GO BUY THE SPECIAL BAGS.

BUT THEN WHEN IT RAINS, WHICH SOMETIMES DOES THIS TIME OF YEAR, MY BAGS AREN'T GOING TO DISINTEGRATE.

AND SO I'M REALLY TRYING TO GET BEHIND THE ENVIRONMENTAL LIKE REASONS BEHIND IT.

AND I THINK WE ALL UP HERE TRYING TO GET THERE.

AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER ABOUT TAXES AND EVERYTHING AND WE JUST RAISED THE WATER PRICES AND WE JUST RAISED SOME OTHER FEES.

AND WHILE WE MAY CONTINUE TO LOWER PROPERTY TAXES, IT SEEMS LIKE WE KEEP INCREASING FEES.

SO SERVICE DIRECTLY.

AND THAT'S A PASS THROUGH.

IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE JUST RAISING IT ON OUR OWN.

IT'S IT'S A $2.50 MORE A MONTH THAT EVERYBODY'S GOT TO PAY.

THAT'S MORE. I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE LANDFILL AND WHAT I WONDERED TO GET THESE THINGS OUT OF THE LANDFILL.

FIRST, I WONDERED, IS THERE ACTUALLY A BENEFIT TO HAVING ORGANIC MATTER INCORPORATED INTO THE LANDFILL? LIKE, DOES THAT HELP THE DEACON? IT DOESN'T HELP THE DECOMPOSITION OF ANYTHING IN THE LANDFILL.

OKAY, SO YES, THERE IS SOME BENEFIT TO THE LANDFILL FOR SOME ORGANIC BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COVER THE LANDFILL AND AND VEGETATION HAS TO GROW ON IT AND ALL OF THAT.

NOT EVERY CITY IS GOING TO GO WITH THE GREEN WASTE PROGRAM.

SOME CITIES HAVE A GREEN WASTE PROGRAM, SOME CITIES DO NOT.

AND. IS THERE A BENEFIT TO SAVING LANDFILL SPACE? YES, IT THERE IS A BENEFIT TO SAVING LANDFILL SPACE.

WHATEVER. LANDFILL SPACE RIGHT HERE IN THIS AREA.

THERE'S NOT A CITY AROUND US RIGHT NOW THAT'S GOING TO LET ANOTHER LANDFILL GO INTO THEIR CITY LIMITS.

OKAY. LEWISVILLE HAS THREE AND SO.

WELL, FARMERS BRANCH OWNS ONE IN LEWISVILLE.

IT'S A LONG STORY, BUT YES, THEY HAVE THREE LANDFILLS IN THEIR CITY LIMITS.

WHEN THOSE LANDFILLS ARE FULL, WHICH ONE OF THEM IS BASICALLY CLOSING WASTE MANAGEMENT'S WHEN THOSE LANDFILLS ARE FULL, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FURTHER AND FURTHER OUT, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN TRANSFER STATIONS, AND THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE YOUR COST.

OKAY, I AGREE, AND I JUST DO WE KNOW ANY DO WE HAVE ANY DATA ON THE CAPACITY OF THE CURRENT LANDFILLS AND HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE IMPROVED BY THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GREEN WASTE PROGRAM? NOW NORTH TEXAS IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING AREAS.

AND THE MORE PEOPLE THAT MOVE IN HERE, THE MORE ROOFTOPS THAT ARE SHOWING UP AND THE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING IN HERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S NOT ANY WAY TO KNOW THAT.

AND THEN WE HAVE COMPACTION AND AND ALL OF THAT.

SO I CAN GET A BEST GUESS.

BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, IS A BEST GUESS.

NOW ONE THING THAT WE COULD AND WE COULD JUST LEAVE THIS RIGHT WHERE IT IS.

GO ALONG WITH IT UNTIL IT IS TIME TO NEGOTIATE THE NEXT AGREEMENT.

AND AT THAT TIME, WE COULD TALK ABOUT CUTTING DOWN THE BULK.

AND WHAT DOES THAT DO WITH GREENWASTE? BUT I NEED TO CAUTION YOU, OKAY.

YOUR TRASH PRICES ARE GOING UP.

COST OF DISPOSAL, COST OF METAL, COST OF TRUCKS, COST OF EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP A GREAT DEAL.

AND BECAUSE WE ARE CONSISTENT, WE'RE NOT STAYING CAUGHT UP WITH OUR COST INCREASES.

SO THOSE COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP.

YOU WANT TO HOLD OFF ON THIS UNTIL THEN AND NEGOTIATE IT DIFFERENTLY WHERE IT'S TWO CUBIC YARDS AND IT'S GREENWASTE AND IT'S ONLY GREEN WASTE DURING THE SPRING AND GREEN WASTE.

AND WE WE CAN DO THAT.

AGAIN, I'M NOT THE ONE THAT ASKED FOR THIS, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY QUESTION.

NO I'M NOT. I MEAN, I'M TASKED WITH THE RESIDENTS TO ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW WE VOTE ON THIS OR I VOTE, I HAVE A

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BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ALL THE IMPACT IS.

I'M A RESIDENT THAT I HAVE A GUY THAT DOES MY ART, DO NOT BAG MY LEAVES.

MALTS IT BACK INTO MY YARD.

WHEN YOU TRIM MY TREES, TAKE IT WITH YOU.

SO, JERRY, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE GREEN WASTE PROGRAM.

AND AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THERE'S YOU SAID THERE'S THREE LANDFILLS.

AND SO BACK TO THE STORY OF WEDNESDAY MORNING.

THOSE GUYS TAKE, YOU KNOW, MY CONTAINERS.

THEY PUT IT IN THEIR TRUCKS. THEY DRIVE IT TO WHEREVER YOU GUYS DROP IT OFF.

AND AND THEN THEY DEAL WITH IT.

SO IF WE HAVE A GREEN WASTE PROGRAM THEN IT'S GOING TO IT'S NOT GOING TO THE LANDFILL.

WHERE IS IT GOING? IT GOES TO LIVING EARTH OVER OFF OF IN FLOWER MOUND.

YEAH. IN FLOWER MOUND.

AND SO.

SO THEN THEY'RE TAKING IT AND DOING WITH WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING IT, AND THEN SELLING THE MULCH OR TURNING IT INTO A COMMERCIAL THING.

RIGHT. UM.

SO COUNCIL.

MAYBE IT'S JUST ME, BUT.

YOU KNOW, LIKE IF WE.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME TYPE OF GREEN WASTE PROGRAM.

I THINK THE LANDFILLS ARE GETTING FULL.

UM, IT'S JUST I'M HAVING A HARD TIME MOVING THAT NEEDLE FROM WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO.

SO TO WHAT THE GREEN WASTE PROGRAM IS GOING TO BENEFIT NOT ONLY THE ENVIRONMENT, OUR LANDFILLS ENVIRONMENT AND OUR RESIDENTS.

RIGHT? I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING THERE.

I THINK 50% OR MORE OF RESIDENTS CONSISTENTLY OVER THE SURVEYS HAVE SAID THEY'RE ONLY SOMEWHAT OR NOT AT ALL INTERESTED.

SO THAT IS ALSO A COMPELLING NUMBER TO ME OVER THE YEARS, CONSISTENTLY.

AND THE LAST SURVEY WAS WHAT, 2019? SO THAT'S SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY HEARD FROM THEM.

AND NOW WITH EVERY OTHER THING THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR, THEY MAY EVEN NOT BE IN FAVOR AS MUCH BECAUSE THE PRICE POINT IS CHANGING 2.6 TO 4% ANNUAL INCREASE, AS WELL AS TO 50 A MONTH.

JERRY, CAN YOU FLIP BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES TO WHERE YOU HAD THE THREE OPTIONS UP THERE? BECAUSE WE LIKE TO DISCUSS.

I REALLY JUST SAID THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T I DON'T ALWAYS GET EVERYTHING I ASKED FOR.

BUT JERRY, WHAT IS THE CURRENT MONTHLY COST FOR HOMEOWNERS FOR TRASH AND RECYCLING? YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK I WOULD KNOW THAT SINCE I'M A RESIDENT.

SO I'M GOING TO LOOK AT SHELLY BECAUSE SHE PROBABLY HAS IT.

IT'S IN THE WATERMELON. SO FOR $15 YOU GET YOUR TRASH AND YOUR.

RECYCLING, AND THEN FOR $2.50, YOU CAN HAVE A THIRD TRUCK COME BY AND TAKE ALL YOUR GARDEN WASTE.

OKAY. PLUS YOU HAVE TO GO FOR YOU HAVE TO GO BUY THE BAGS AND PLUS YOU ALSO.

NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST TRYING TO.

I WAS TRYING TO GET A PROPORTION.

LIKE I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS $50 OR WAS IT $20, BUT IT'S IF YOU GO AND LOOK AND IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING RATES AND YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT FLOWER MOUND HAS A VERY LOW RATE. OKAY.

WHAT HOW DO YOU HANDLE HOW DOES REPUBLIC HANDLE THE SEASONALITY? YOU TALKED ABOUT DOING YOUR PILOT IN THE SPRING OR THE FALL.

WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SUMMER WHEN THERE ISN'T MUCH TO PICK UP FOR THESE TRUCKS THAT ARE RUNNING AROUND PICKING UP GREEN WASTE? WE STILL HAVE A LOT.

AND ACTUALLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A DROUGHT, BECAUSE STUFF DIES EVEN MORE SO THEY'RE STILL PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

AND THEN THE YEAR BEFORE THAT IT WAS A BIG FREEZE.

AND THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN SO SO YOU'RE BUSY ALL YEAR.

BUT LEAF LEAF SEASON TYPICALLY IS WHEN WE SEE THE BAGS OF LEAVES, BUT WHICH IS THE DATES THAT I PROVIDED.

BUT THAT'S ALL DEPENDENT ON THE WEATHER.

WELL, IF WE IF WE HAD DONE OUR PILOT THIS YEAR, I MEAN, THE LEAVES HADN'T REALLY HIT UNTIL NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD HAVE MISSED THE BOAT.

THAT'S INTERESTING. SO THE THE X XY.

ADDITIONAL CHARGE FOR THESE BULK TRASH, BUT THESE COMMERCIAL TRASH PICKUPS.

IS THAT $4,045 CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE CHARGING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES FOR THE SAME THING YOU SAID, WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT DON'T HAVE THAT CHARGE.

YES, EVERY OTHER CITY HAS THAT AT THE SAME AMOUNT.

YES. OKAY. THAT'S A WE'VE DONE THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

OKAY. YEAH.

I GUESS THE TWO AND A HALF, 2.6% TO 4% DOESN'T GIVE ME QUITE AS MUCH HEARTBURN WHEN IT'S ONLY $15.

SO I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS I WAS.

I GUESS MY OPINION IS I THINK WE DO NEED TO DO THIS IN THE SENSE THAT, I MEAN, IF ALL WE CARE ABOUT IS HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY POINT IN HAVING THE RECYCLING PROGRAM EITHER.

BUT WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE BEHAVIOR AND WE WANT TO KEEP THINGS OUT OF THE LANDFILL.

AND SO IT HAS TO BE UNIVERSAL SO THAT EVERYONE PARTAKES.

THERE'S NOT MUCH POINT IN MAKING IT OPTIONAL.

AND. IF WE WANTED TO GET BETTER, THE BEST OUTCOMES, I GUESS WE HAVE TWO DIRECTIONS WE CAN GO.

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WE CAN MAKE IT REAL EASY LIKE WE DO WITH RECYCLING.

YOU JUST THROW EVERYTHING IN THERE AND LET YOU GUYS FIGURE IT OUT.

OR WE COULD MAKE IT MANDATORY WHERE YOU HAVE TO SEPARATE YOUR BOTTLES BY COLOR, OR ELSE WE DON'T PICK YOUR TRASH UP AT ALL.

AND I THINK WE HAVE MADE THE DECISION, RIGHTLY SO, THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT EASY.

THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT TO DO IT.

AND THIS PROBABLY ADDING THIS ADDITIONAL VERY EASY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THIS ANYWAY.

THEY'RE ALREADY BAGGING THESE THINGS AND THESE PAPER BAGS.

IF I'M DRAGGING MY CHRISTMAS TREE DOWN EVERY YEAR TO THROW IT INTO THE CHIPPER AT THE CAC, HOPEFULLY THAT GOES TO LIVING EARTH, RIGHT? THAT. SOMEBODY THERE TOLD ME THAT THAT GOES TO THE LANDFILL AND I WAS PRETTY SHOCKED.

SO I DOESN'T GO.

I SHOVELED AS MUCH BACK INTO MY TRUCK SO I COULD COME AND SPRINKLE IT AROUND.

THAT DOESN'T GO TO THE LANDFILL.

GOOD. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

UM, SO, YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO DO THIS.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT $2.50, I GUESS, IS A LARGE AMOUNT IN TERMS OF $15 TO 1750, BUT THE 4% IS AWFULLY MODEST.

I DON'T KNOW, SHE SAID SHE DOESN'T GET EVERYTHING SHE WANTS, SO MAYBE WE CAN GET THOSE NUMBERS DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

MAYBE WE CAN KEEP THAT 2.6%.

AND THEN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

IF IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE.

WELL. I BELIEVE, AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS AS A RESIDENT, I WOULD RATHER SEE INCREMENTAL INCREASES THAN BOOM.

SO CHANGING FROM THE 2.6 TO THE FOUR ISN'T GOING TO BE AN INCREMENTAL CHANGE, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS PAINFUL AT THE TIME.

MAYBE WE'LL GET A BETTER RATE ON OUR RENEWAL.

IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? YES. ME PERSONALLY, I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE GREEN WASTE, BUT I'M ALSO NOT GOING TO GO HUNGRY OVER $2.50 A MONTH.

THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT I SPEND ON A CUP OF COFFEE.

A DAY. SO SO JUST TO CLARIFY THOUGH, SO ARE WE GOING TO.

SO AN OPTION THREE ON THE BOTTOM.

ARE WE RAISING IT BY 4% AND THEN ADDING $2.50.

YES. OKAY.

BUT WE'RE LOWERING TAXES.

BUT NOW NOW LISTEN THE FOUR I MEAN WE HAVE SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS FOR MONTHS OVER QUARTERS OF CENTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE TAX RATE.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY WHEN I SAY I'VE WE'VE SAT UP HERE FOR HOURS DISCUSSING QUARTERS OF CENTS FOR THE TAX RATE.

RIGHT. AND, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 4% INCREASE PLUS $2.50 PER MONTH.

IT SOUNDS LOW, BUT BUT WAIT A MINUTE, MAYOR.

NO, THE 4% REPLACES THE 2.6 ON OCTOBER THE 1ST.

YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR 2.6 PRICE INCREASE FOR THIS YEAR.

IT WOULD BE A 4% INCREASE IN 2024 AND 2025, INSTEAD OF THE 2.6. THAT'S LIKE $0.18.

YEAH. AND I MEAN COMPOUNDING.

SO THE MAYOR TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAYOR, IN TERMS OF WE ARGUE ABOUT TAXES, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S LIKE IT'S MORE LIKE THE TENNIS CENTER. DO WE ADD THIS ADDITIONAL SERVICE AT A, AT A COST OR DO WE WHICH WAS LESS RIGHT, WHICH WAS $10 A MONTH FOR THE TENNIS CENTER? OH $10 000A YEAR, I GUARANTEE YOU, $3 A YEAR FOR THE TENNIS THERE DOESN'T WANT IT.

THERE'S MORE PEOPLE BAGGING LEAVES THAN THERE ARE PEOPLE PLAYING TENNIS.

SO THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT THAN A LOWER COST FOR A LARGER NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

NO, IT WON'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY.

SO IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE LANDFILL PILOT PROGRAM.

SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING THE PILOT PROGRAM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO QUANTIFY THE BENEFIT TO HOW MUCH IS GOING TO THE LANDFILLS AND HOW MUCH WOULD GET SENT TO GREEN WASTE AND SO ON THAT ROUTE.

I WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE HOW MUCH THE TONNAGE GOING TO THE LANDFILL IS REDUCED AND HOW MUCH TONNAGE IS GOING TO LEAVING EARTH.

SO YES, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO QUANTIFY THAT BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS LIKE A LONG TERM BENEFIT.

YOU KNOW, ALL RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM NOT HAVING TO DO TRANSFER STATIONS AND, AND TRUCK WASTE OUT TO WHEREVER, WHICH IS GOING TO INCREASE COSTS EXPONENTIALLY. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND PRESERVATION OR IMPROVEMENT OF THE LANDFILL TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE MUST TALK ABOUT AIR POLLUTION AND DIESEL EXHAUST FUMES BECAUSE WE WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING THAT.

SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE MY FRIEND FRED WOULD BE NOT HAPPY WITH ME IF I DIDN'T POINT OUT THE AIR QUALITY ISSUES AND THE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

JERRY, HOWEVER, THIS SHAKES OUT, I'D LIKE TO DO LIKE AN UNDERCOVER BOSS, MAYBE, AND JUST COME AND EXPERIENCE SO THAT I CAN LEGITIMATELY UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND. RIGHT? AND I'M A TOUCHY FEELY, LIKE IT TASTED KIND OF GUY.

AND AND I NEED TO UNDERSTAND LIKE, WHAT IS THE LANDFILLS GOING ON OVER THERE AND HOW BAD IS IT.

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AND YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS? BECAUSE WE'RE UP HERE TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS WHEN REALLY IT IS ABOUT THE NUMBERS.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MAYBE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE EXIGENCY OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN EITHER.

GLAD TO GIVE YOU A TOUR. RIGHT.

I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M PUTTING IT OUT THERE BECAUSE I WANT TO LEARN TO UNDERSTAND.

DEFINITELY COME TO THE TOUR WHAT IT IS.

AND CAMELOT LANDFILL, WHICH IS WHERE YOUR WASTE CURRENTLY GOES, WHICH IS IN LEWISVILLE, OWNED BY THE CITY OF FARMERS BRANCH.

OKAY. BEST ESTIMATES BASED ON CURRENT VOLUME.

OKAY. 20 YEARS.

THAT'S BASED ON CURRENT VOLUME.

THE GROWTH.

THE CITY OF FORT WORTH HAS A LANDFILL SOUTHEAST LANDFILL, THAT THEY OWN.

WE OPERATE BASED ON THEIR CURRENT VOLUME.

THEY PROBABLY HAVE.

16 TO 17 YEARS LEFT WERE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE MORE, BUT IT'S DUE TO VOLUME, SO THE MORE VOLUME THAT GOES IN THE LESS YEARS YOU HAVE REMAINING ON IT.

AND JUST DO WE HAVE AN EYEBALL NUMBER ON WHAT THE INCREASE IS GOING TO BE WHEN WE START GOING TO TRANSFER STATIONS AND.

I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF A HARD QUESTION WHEN YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THE GARBAGE TRUCK AN HOUR TO GO DROP IT OFF, OR LIKE NEW YORK CITY, THE TRASH BARGE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO A BARGE FROM HERE.

BUT I WONDERED IF WE COULD GET CONSENSUS, AT LEAST ON THE ONE THING THAT I THINK IS THE EASIEST THE EASY CHARGE.

CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH JUST THE EASY CHARGE TONIGHT, IF WE'RE SO INCLINED, IF WE'RE DOING THE THIS PROGRAM, BUT OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST TACKING ON ANOTHER FEE.

BUT IT'S FOR.

NO, IT'S NOT FOR NOTHING.

IT'S FOR ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO OVERFILL AND CREATE A PROBLEM.

I'M GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR THE X, Y.

I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH IT. YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DO THIS PILOT PROGRAM OR DO THIS PROGRAM.

I'LL BE BACK TO SEE YOU IN JANUARY.

FOR THE X, Y. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE VIOLATING THAT.

I MEAN, I'D BE INCLINED TO LET YOU DO THAT RIGHT NOW IF WE ACCEPT THAT.

IF WE ACCEPT THAT, THEN WE GET THE PILOT PROGRAM AUTOMATICALLY IN HERE.

RIGHT HERE. OPTION TWO.

RIGHT. YES. OPTION TWO IS A NO BRAINER.

BUT I MEAN, I COULD I WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROGRAM BASED ON I'D LIKE TO DO THE PILOT.

OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE PARTICIPATION RATE IS.

OPTION TWO OF THE PILOT THOUGH, RIGHT.

OPTION TWO. YEAH.

YES. OH WELL WE GOT FIVE OF US, BUT ALSO WELL, IF THE PILOT EXPIRES AND WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD THOUGH I WOULD LIKE A PROVISION TO CONTINUE THE ICSI CHARGE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ONLY FAIR FOR THE VIOLATORS.

THAT'S A GIVEN. SHE'S GOING TO DO OKAY.

BUT BUT WE HAVE TO SAY IT SUCH THAT THE ICSI CHARGE DOES NOT EXPIRE WITH THE EXPIRATION OF THE PILOT.

CORRECT? GRIN IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE IN THIS CASE THEY'RE TIED TOGETHER.

BUT I REALLY WANT TO AUTHORIZE THAT TO GO FORWARD, REGARDLESS OF GOING TO POINT OUT THAT THE ICSI CHARGE ALONE CAN FUND THIS PILOT.

SO WHY CAN'T THE ICSI CHARGE CONTINUE TO FUND THIS PROGRAM? BECAUSE IT'S A CHARGE FOR VIOLATIONS.

NO NO NO. THEIR OWN. THE EASY CHARGE ALONE IS SUFFICIENT TO FUND THE PILOT INSTEAD OF OPTION ONE.

IT'S ONE SIXTH OF THE ROOTS.

THAT'S THE REASON IT'S SUFFICIENT TO RUN A PILOT.

IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT. SO IT'S AT ANOTHER TRUCK ON THE STREET, BUT IT'S INSUFFICIENT TO DO A PORTION OF IT.

AND MAYBE WE CAN CONTINUE THAT PILOT FOR THE LONG TERM.

NO, BECAUSE THEY THEY INCUR EXTRA COSTS.

MAN. HOURS. 60.

I MEAN, THAT'S FOR THE VIOLATORS.

$65,000 IS I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST US TO DO THE PILOT PROGRAM, RUN THE TRUCKS, FORGET ALL OF THE EDUCATION AND THE REPORTING AND ALL OF THAT.

I MEAN, WE'RE JUST DOING THAT.

I WAS GOING TO COME AND ASK FOR THE X, Y ANYWAY, AND OUR GENERAL MANAGER JUST THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE INSTEAD OF THE TOWN PAYING FOR A PILOT PROGRAM. OKAY.

THAT'S FINE. YEAH, I WOULD SUPPORT ADDING THAT FEE AND GETTING THE PILOT AND THE FEE CONTINUES, BUT THE PILOT PROGRAM TERMINATES.

THAT'S FINE. I WOULD JUST ADD REGARDING THE X, Y, THAT WOULD BE A CONTRACTUAL AMENDMENT THAT IF WE GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL OR WORK WITH JERRY AND SHELLY AND FINANCE TO BRING FORWARD A FINANCE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT AMENDMENT TO YOU GUYS IN JANUARY AT THE EARLIEST. SO ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY GOING BACK.

OKAY, GOOD. GOOD TO HEAR.

THANKS, TOMMY. SO WHILE I'M ALL FOR JUST DISCUSSING THIS FURTHER, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FIVE OF US TECHNICALLY I DON'T COUNT AGREED THAT OPTION TWO FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM WAS THE WAY FORWARD, AND I HAVE A NOTE HERE THAT ESSENTIALLY STAFF WAS JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED TO NECESSARILY VOTE ON THAT.

DO YOU GUYS WANT TO KEEP DISCUSSING THIS FURTHER, OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE ON WITH OPTION TWO FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM?

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I'M OKAY WITH OPTION TWO FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE SURVEY RESULTS IN AMPLE TIME.

AND THEN THAT 60 DAY PILOT WOULD GIVE MANY OTHER RESIDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, I DON'T WANT THIS OR I DO WANT THIS.

WHAT SURVEY RESULTS YOUR SURVEY FROM THE PARTICIPANTS OF THE PILOT.

THAT'S ONE GROUP, RIGHT? AND THEN THROUGH US, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE SHARING THE RESULTS AND EVERYTHING ON OUR SOCIALS.

AND THEN OTHER INTERESTED RESIDENTS COULD COME FORWARD AND DURING PUBLIC COMMENT IF THEY WANT AND SAY, OH, I LOVE IT OR I HATE IT, WE CAN DO A TOWN SURVEY JUST LIKE WE DID FOR TROTTER PARK. OH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, DID I MISS THE SURVEY PART? YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE THE SURVEY PART.

SHE DIDN'T SURVEY FOR THE PARTICIPANTS.

WE JUST DO A POLL. I KNOW THERE'LL BE A RAMP UP ON THE PILOT PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE ALONG THE ROUTES.

AND THEN TO WRAP IT UP AT THE END OF IT, WE CAN WE CAN WORK WITH REPUBLIC AND COMMUNICATIONS AND JP'S OFFICE TO COME UP WITH HOW DO WE GET MORE TOWN WIDE INVOLVEMENT AND RESIDENT OPINION AND SHARE THE RESULTS OF WHAT THIS PROGRAM PERFORMED WITH AND, AND GET SOME MORE RESIDENT INPUT AT THAT TIME AND DO THE TOUR.

AND THEN THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND FOLLOW UP WITH COUNCIL AND AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT THE PILOT PROGRAM DID.

THIS IS THE SENTIMENT FROM THE FOLKS THAT USED IT.

THIS IS THE KIND OF THE TOWN WIDE SENTIMENT THAT WE RECEIVED, AND WE CAN RUN IT THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

AND AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON ANN'S QUESTION, CAN WE MAKE SURE WHEN WE DO DO THE REVIEW TO INCLUDE FUEL BURN PER ROUTE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO WE CAN EVALUATE HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL FUEL WE'RE USING TO PULL THIS GREENWAY.

WHAT'S THAT CALLED? CARBON FOOTPRINT.

YEAH. CARBON FOOTPRINT.

I THINK FUEL PER TRUCK WOULD BE PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO QUANTIFY IT.

WAIT A MINUTE. SAY THAT TO ME AGAIN.

FUEL CONSUMPTION.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO ANYWAYS.

GO AHEAD. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A THIRD TRUCK RUNNING THESE ROUTES RIGHT.

HOW MUCH FUEL IS THAT THIRD TRUCK ANTICIPATED TO UTILIZE? WELL, WE TYPICALLY BURN FOR.

GALLONS AN HOUR.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. YEAH.

SO SOMETHING ON.

WHAT'S THE POINT? HOW MUCH DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF IT'S RECYCLE OR WHAT IT IS? BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME KIND OF TRUCKS.

YEAH. SO HOW MUCH FUEL, ADDITIONAL FUEL WOULD WE BURN TO TAKE ON THIS PROGRAM AND PULL THE GREEN WASTE OUT LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO HELP, RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. YEAH, LIKE WE'RE HELPING THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT YOU'RE HELPING ONE PART OF IT.

BUT YOU WANT TO SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. YEAH I THINK IT'S A SIMPLE NUMBER.

AND I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE IT, BUT.

FOUR GALLONS AN HOUR.

I CAN'T BREAK THAT DOWN.

I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO MUCH BREAKING THAT DOWN FOR REPUBLIC SERVICES, BECAUSE THAT $2.50 TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL TRUCK ON ALL THE ROUTES, THAT'S PRETTY LOW COST.

BUT WE'RE GOING WITH OPTION TWO, THOUGH.

NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF WE DID IF WE GO ONGOING.

IS IT STILL GOING TO BE THE 250, JERRY, OR ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE IT DIFFERENT BASED ON YOUR SURVEY RESULTS? OR JERRY HARWELL'S NOT WALKING IN HERE WITH A DIFFERENT RIGHT AFTER THE APOLLO PROGRAM.

OKAY. SO.

I CAN'T SAY SOMEBODY ELSE WON'T, BUT NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.

I MEAN, REMEMBER, IT WAS MY BOSS THAT STARTED THIS.

BUT I MEAN THAT THAT WILL BE THE INTENT.

NOW, IF YOU'LL DO SOMETHING CRAZY OR, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. OKAY.

COUNCIL. SO I THINK WE'RE GOING WITH OPTION TWO, OR AT LEAST WHAT I CALLED OPTION TWO WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SLIDES.

DOES STAFF HAVE THE DIRECTION THAT THEY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD SO WE CAN MOVE ON? YES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU. JERRY. WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE.

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SUP 23 0005 LONG PRAIRIE GOLF EVERYWHERE.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION BY MISS LEXIN MURPHY, OUR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

GOOD EVENING MA'AM.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL.

AS MENTIONED, THIS IS AN SCP REQUEST REQUEST FOR INDOOR RECREATIONAL USE.

THE NAME OF THE PROPOSAL IS LONG PRAIRIE GOLF EVERYWHERE.

HERE IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE HERE IT'S EAST OF LONG PRAIRIE.

AND HERE'S A MORE DETAILED VIEW.

WE ALSO USED A DIFFERENT SERVICE HERE, SO YOU CAN SEE THE TWO EXISTING MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS, RETAIL BUILDINGS THERE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED.

COUNCIL MAY RECALL AN RFP WAS ALSO APPROVED FOR A DAY CARE TO THE REAR OF THE MULTI-TENANT, MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS NORTH OF THE PROPOSED SITE.

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THE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS RETAIL AND THE ZONING IS PD 157 FOR R2 OR RETAIL.

TWO DISTRICT USES.

HERE'S THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

BEFORE WE GO INTO MORE DETAILS AGAIN, THE SCP IS JUST FOR THE BUILDING HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

THIS IS SHOWING THEIR OVERALL PROPOSED LAYOUT.

THESE OTHER BUILDINGS DON'T REQUIRE AN SCP.

THEY'RE ALLOWED BY RIGHT BASED ON THE UNDERLYING ZONING.

SO THERE'S A PROPOSED RESTAURANT, A HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER, AND THEN ALSO A TEACHING CENTER OR THE OTHER THREE BUILDINGS, JUST THE INDOOR RECREATION GOLF BUILDING, A LITTLE OVER 31,000FT² TOTAL.

THIS IS WHAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SPECIFIC USE OR SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE.

THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHWEST.

HERE'S ANOTHER ONE LOOKING SOUTHEAST.

THIS IS LOOKING NORTHWEST.

THIS IS LOOKING DIRECTLY WEST.

IT'S THE TOLL BROTHERS DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND THIS IS LOOKING NORTH AGAIN AT THOSE EXISTING RETAIL BUILDINGS.

SO AGAIN, HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

WHILE IT'S ONLY THE SCP FOR THIS BUILDING, THAT'S BEFORE COUNCIL TONIGHT.

IF THIS WAS APPROVED, THEY ARE EXPECTING TO COME FORWARD WITH A SITE PLAN FOR THE OVERALL SITE AND THE PROPOSED PARKING 158 SPACES, WHICH IS WITHIN THE 160, WHICH IS WHAT WOULD BE NORMALLY REQUIRED FOR THIS USE.

THE OVERALL SITE IS ALSO WITHIN THE REQUIRED AMOUNT.

IF CONSTRUCTED, IT'S PROPOSED IN THIS VISUAL.

THEY'RE ALSO MEETING SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS PER THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE PROPERTY.

THINGS LIKE YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE'S SOME ENHANCED PAVEMENT KIND OF PROVIDING THAT SPINE THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE SITE.

YOU'LL SEE LATER IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THERE'S ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL SEATING.

THERE'S BIKE RACKS, JUST SOME AMENITIES THAT WERE BASIC REQUIREMENTS OF THE PD THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING OVERALL FOR THE GOLF FACILITY.

I'M SURE THE APPLICANT APPLICANT CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THEIR MODEL, BUT THERE'LL BE A NUMBER OF BAYS INSIDE.

THERE'LL ALSO BE A SHORT COURSE AREA AND SOME REFRESHMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT PEOPLE CAN PARTAKE OF.

SO AGAIN, HERE'S THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THEY ARE MEETING ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO STREET YARDS, STREET BUFFER PARKING TREES.

AND THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING THE DETENTION POND LANDSCAPING WHICH IS A NEW REQUIREMENT THE TOWN HAS RECENTLY ADOPTED.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY EXCEEDING THOSE NUMBER OF TREES.

THIS WILL BE KIND OF A REGIONAL DETENTION POND THERE THAT WILL SERVE THIS AREA.

AND IT'S PROPOSED JUST OUTSIDE OF THE THE ZONING AND WITHIN AN AGRICULTURAL AREA.

BUT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

YOU CAN HAVE THE DETENTION PLANT, DETENTION POND WITHIN AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE PROPERTY.

SO AGAIN, IN THIS CLOSE UP VIEW OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE IN SHADE STRUCTURE WITH SEATING TWO BENCH SEATING AREAS.

SOME OF THOSE SEATING AREAS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, TWO BENCH SEATING AREAS, ARTWORK, THAT SORT OF THING.

HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS.

THE. THE PROPOSAL IS GENERALLY MEETING THE TOWN'S URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

THEY ARE EXCEEDING THE AMOUNT OF SECONDARY ELEMENTS JUST ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE.

THOUGH WHEN YOU GO INTO THE OVERALL L SHAPE VIEW THAT WOULD YOU WOULD SEE FROM LONG PRAIRIE, THEN IT IS MEETING THE STANDARD AT THAT POINT.

THE OTHER ELEVATIONS.

THESE ARE THE BUILDING MATERIALS.

SO AT SAME BUILDING MATERIALS THAT WERE USED IN THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, IN THE CASE OF THE DAYCARE AND CONSTRUCTED IN THE PLACE OF THE MULTI-TENANT RETAIL BUILDINGS.

HERE ARE JUST SOME PERSPECTIVES THEY PUT TOGETHER.

AND AGAIN THERE IS THE SITE PLAN.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE WITH THE PRESENTATION.

LEXIN GOT A QUESTION? IS THERE A DSL LANE FOR THE ENTRANCE TO THIS OR IS IT TOO CLOSE TO OTHER? JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT.

WHETHER IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE CORNER OR WHETHER IT'S.

I CAN'T REALLY TELL FROM THIS SCHEMATIC HERE.

TIFFANY. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?

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I DON'T. THERE IS.

OKAY. THIS IS THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.

SO HE SAID THAT THERE IS HE CAN PROBABLY ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT I THINK IT SAYS TURN LANE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU KNOW WEST.

OH YEAH. YEAH. SO IS THAT IT.

YEAH. RIGHT THERE.

IT'S LIKE, WHERE'S WALDO? FOUND IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LEXIN? EXCELLENT. THANK YOU MA'AM. NOW WE CAN HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

WHO? I HAVE A NOTE THAT HE HAS A PRESENTATION.

SO WELCOME.

MYLES VLACHOS FROM GOLF EVERYWHERE.

GOOD EVENING SIR. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M VERY EXCITED AND GRATEFUL TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS THIS VISION FOR GOLF AND COUNTY.

UM, I GUESS LET ME SEE.

SCROLL HERE. OKAY. VERY COOL.

UM, SO REALLY THE MAIN POINT OF THESE NUMBERS IS TO INDICATE THAT DENTON COUNTY HAS A SUPPLY AND DEMAND ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO THE GAME OF GOLF. UM, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FACILITIES TO SUPPORT THE DEMAND FOR GOLFERS HERE.

THERE ARE 74,000 ACTIVE GOLFERS IN DENTON COUNTY AND DENTON COUNTY BY THE STATISTICS CAN ONLY SUPPORT ABOUT 18,000 GOLFERS.

SO APPROXIMATELY 54,000 GOLFERS ROUGHLY ARE LEAVING THE COUNTY TO GO PLAY GOLF IN TARRANT COUNTY AND COLLIN COUNTY, WHERE THERE ARE MUCH, MANY MORE GOLF COURSES PER CAPITA.

NOW, ANOTHER THING THAT'S VERY INTERESTING IS THAT GOLF IS ON THE RISE BIG TIME, JUST IN GENERAL THAT IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF INITIATIVES IN THE MEDIA THAT WOULD MAKE YOU THINK THAT THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO CONTINUE AND THERE.

BUT WHAT'S REALLY CRAZY IN THAT IS THAT 15.5 MILLION OF THE 25.6 MILLION GOLFERS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE PLAYING GOLF NOW IN WHAT YOU WOULD CALL OFF COURSE USES BEING DRIVING RANGES OR SIMULATOR FACILITIES.

AND TO ME, THAT IS A STAGGERING PERCENTAGE OF THOSE THINGS.

SO SO IT WOULD BEG THE QUESTION THAT OR THE CONCLUSION THAT AN INDOOR GOLF FACILITY COULD BENEFIT THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND ISSUE. NOW, MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS THE CURRENT LANDSCAPE OF THE OFFERINGS THAT ARE GENERALLY AVAILABLE WORLDWIDE IN THE INDOOR GOLF COMMUNITY. FIRST ONE WOULD BE THE MOST NOTABLE.

ONE IS THE THIRD ONE ON THE FIRST COLUMN, WHICH IS THE GOLF ALLEY IS WHAT I CALL IT.

THESE ARE TERMS THAT I COINED.

BUT BUT THEY'RE INFORMATIVE TERMS. THE GOLF ALLEY IS MORE OR LESS A BOWLING ALLEY WITH GOLF SIMULATORS.

YOU RENT THE BAY BY THE HOUR.

IT'S A IT'S A LANE.

THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF REVENUE IS IS FOOD AND BEVERAGE SALES, AS YOU'LL FIND WITH MOST OF THESE CONCEPTS.

YOU HAVE GOLF TAINMENT, WHICH BASICALLY WOULD DESCRIBE A FACILITY LIKE TOPGOLF WHERE YOU COULDN'T SAY IT'S ACTUALLY GOLF.

IT'S COOL. PEOPLE ENJOY IT.

THERE'S NOTHING INHERENTLY WRONG WITH ANY OF THESE CONCEPTS.

I HAVE NO RIGHT.

BUT IT'S IT'S NOT INHERENTLY GOLF.

IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE.

THE GOLFING GYM WOULD BE A PLACE SORT OF LIKE GOLF TECH, WHERE IT'S REALLY PRIMARY DRIVER WOULD BE LESS IN REVENUE, SORT OF LIKE IF ALL WE HAD WAS THE TEACHING CENTER. THAT MIGHT BE THE GOLFING GYM.

RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THAT'S A ADDITION TO COMPLETE WHAT WHAT I WOULD CALL A COUNTRY CLUB TYPE OF PERSPECTIVE ON THIS WHOLE PROPERTY. OKAY.

SOCIAL CLUB IS A IS A MINOR DELINEATION BETWEEN THAT AND A GOLF ALLEY.

IT'S JUST MORE OF LIKE A SOPHISTICATED GOLF ALLEY IS REALLY ALL IT IS TYPICALLY BACKED BY BIGGER NAMES THAT CARRY A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW. WHATEVER.

AND THEN THE LOSS LEADER CONCEPT, WHICH IS MORE OR LESS LIKE AT RETAIL STORES LIKE PGA SUPERSTORE OR SECOND SWING WHERE YOU HAVE HITTING BAYS AVAILABLE, BUT REALLY THEY'RE JUST THERE TO.

INCENTIVIZE THE SELL OF GOOD GOODS, SPORTING GOODS IN GOLF CLUBS.

THEY'RE NOT REALLY THERE TO PROVIDE A GOLFING EXPERIENCE OR EVEN BE A SOURCE OF LEGITIMATE SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THESE ESTABLISHMENTS.

AND THAT COVERS 99.9 REPEATING PERCENT OF THE INDOOR GOLF.

ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE WORLD TODAY.

SO MY PERSONAL ANGLE ON THIS IS THAT I'M VERY EXCITED THAT THE GAME OF GOLF IS GROWING.

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I'VE BEEN IN GOLFING MY ENTIRE LIFE SINCE I WAS 16 MONTHS OLD.

AND AND THAT'S THAT'S GREAT NEWS.

THE ECONOMIC CONCERNS OF THE GAME OF GOLF ARE SIGNIFICANT.

WHAT YOU HAVE IS GOLF COURSES THAT ARE NOW THE DEMAND IS TOO HIGH.

THEY CAN'T KEEP UP NECESSARILY, AND THEY DO SO BY A WAY OF MAKING TEE TIMES AT SOMETIMES SEVEN MINUTE INTERVALS, EIGHT MINUTE INTERVALS, WHICH DOESN'T HELP THE USER EXPERIENCE OF THE GOLFER.

AND. AND CREATES A SITUATION WHERE OFTENTIMES YOU'RE PLAYING GOLF.

FIVE AND SIX HOURS FOR A ROUND AT BEST.

I MEAN, A GOOD ROUND WOULD BE FOUR HOURS AND 15 MINUTES.

4.5 HOURS WOULD BE GOOD.

RIGHT? AND THEN IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.

SO, SO WE WE WANT A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN REDUCE THE BARRIERS TO ENTRY TO THE GAME OF GOLF, WHICH ARE.

TIME, MONEY, HOURS.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER THESE ARE A LOT OF BARRIERS TO ENTRY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEMANDS PLACED ON THE INDIVIDUAL AND SOCIETY THESE DAYS.

I DON'T THINK A MAGIC SIX HOURS IS GOING TO FREE UP FROM ANYBODY'S WEEK ANYTIME SOON.

SO THEY CAN PLAY MORE GOLF.

BUT BUT GOLF HAS ALWAYS SERVED A ROLE IN SOCIETY WHICH WHICH IS VERY BENEFICIAL TO QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO SO WE WANT TO CREATE A SITUATION THAT IS MUCH MORE INCLUSIVE AND MUCH MORE FEASIBLE FOR THE CITIZEN TO PLAY GOLF, BUT THAT DOES NOT DILUTE THE ORIGINAL INTENTION OF THE GAME AND IS PRESENTED IN A WAY THAT IS ACTUALLY GOLF.

AND THAT IS THE CONCEPT THAT WE ARE HOPING TO BRING TO THE CITY OF FLOWER MOUND.

NOW, THIS DIAGRAM DOESN'T REALLY SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, SO WE'LL HAVE TO MAYBE USE OUR IMAGINATIONS A LITTLE BIT, AND I'LL TRY TO WALK YOU GUYS THROUGH THAT AS BEST I CAN. WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO OCCUR IN THERE? AND OBVIOUSLY I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS.

BUT BASICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO JUST THE GOLFING PORTION, WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT MAKE A GOLF COURSE A GOLF COURSE? YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY A GOLF COURSE.

AND I'LL EXPLAIN HOW WE'RE USING SIMULATORS TO MAKE IT A GOLF COURSE.

BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE A DRIVING RANGE WHERE GOLFERS CAN THAT IS SOLELY DEDICATED TO PRACTICE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PRACTICE THE SHORT GAME, PUTTING CHIPPING, SAND SHOTS, ETCETERA.

NOW, THE PUTTING AND SHORT GAME PORTION OF THIS CLUB IS NOT SIMULATED.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A APPROXIMATELY 4500 SQUARE FOOT PUTTING GREEN AND ANOTHER 2500FT² OF CHIPPING AND PUTTING WITH REAL SAND BUNKERS.

YOU'RE HITTING REAL GOLF BALLS, AND IT WILL BE DESIGNED TO CHAMPIONSHIP STANDARDS BASED ON TURN OF THE CENTURY GOLF COURSE ARCHITECTURE, WHICH HAS ABSOLUTELY STOOD THE TEST OF TIME.

SO IT WILL BE A TRULY A WORLD CLASS PRACTICE, PUTTING GREEN THAT IS BIGGER THAN THE AVERAGE.

WHAT IS ACTUALLY PROVIDED AT THE AVERAGE GOLF PUBLIC GOLF COURSE, OR EVEN PRIVATE GOLF COURSE.

THE PERIMETER OF THAT MAIN GOLF BUILDING IS MORE OR LESS A DRIVING RANGE.

SO YOU'RE HITTING INTO A SCREEN, BUT IT'S ALL OPEN.

IT'S JUST A ONE STRIP OF TURF THAT'S LIKE A DRIVING RANGE.

AND THAT IS NOT YOU'RE NOT PLAYING GOLF THERE, YOU'RE NOT PLAYING GAMES THERE.

YOU'RE YOU'RE PRACTICING.

IT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS A GOLFER AND AN ACCOMPLISHED PLAYER, IT WOULD BE AN ELITE PRACTICE EXPERIENCE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE PLAYING WITH PREMIUM BALLS, GETTING DATA AND INFORMATION ON EVERY SHOT THAT YOU HIT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONSISTENT EXPERIENCE WHERE THE TURF IS THE SAME EVERY DAY, THE WEATHER IS THE SAME EVERY DAY.

SO IF YOU WERE TRULY TRYING TO PRACTICE AND WORK ON YOUR GAME, THIS TO ME WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE.

AND THIS IS BE EXACTLY WHERE I WOULD PLAN ON PRACTICING FOR MY NEXT SERIES OF COMPETITIONS.

THEN THE REAL INNOVATION TO IT.

BESIDES THE WAY THAT THE ELEMENTS ARE PUT TOGETHER TO BECOME LIKE A REAL GOLF COURSE, WOULD BE THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO RUN IN THE IN THE EAST WING OF THAT L THERE ARE GOING TO BE 12 BAYS, AND THE REASON THERE ARE 12 BAYS IS BECAUSE BASED ON THE HOURS AND ROUGHLY ANTICIPATED HOURS THAT THIS WOULD RUN, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO SERVICE IF WE RAN FOURSOMES, THE AMOUNT OF ROUNDS PER DAY THAT A NORMAL GOLF COURSE COULD SERVICE OKAY, WHICH WOULD BE AROUND 300.

OKAY. SO THE INNOVATION THERE IS RATHER THAN CHARGE BY THE HOUR FOR A RENTAL.

AND THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU BRING TWO OR 4 OR 6 PEOPLE, WHICH IS HOW THE GOLF ALLEY WORKS OR ANY OF THOSE BUSINESS MODELS.

[02:25:09]

WE'RE JUST GOING TO RUN IT LIKE A TEE SHEET.

YOU CALL AND YOU SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE TO PLAY 18 HOLES AT 1130 THIS MORNING.

AND WE'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, I SEE THERE'S A THREESOME GOING OFF BAY SEVEN.

WE CAN THROW YOU IN WITH THAT GROUP.

OR IT'S LIKE, HEY, I HAVE A FOURSOME WE'D LIKE TO PUT TO PLAY A ROUND OF GOLF, AND YOU'RE PLAYING NINE AND 18 HOLES ON THESE SIMULATORS.

NINE, 18 HOLES AND A SIMULATOR, IF YOU'RE A GROUP OF FOUR, COULD BE TWO HOURS, 2.5 HOURS, AND YOU'RE PLAYING A ROUND OF GOLF. IF YOU'RE A SINGLE, YOU CAN GET AROUND IN UNDER AN HOUR.

SO DRAMATICALLY EXPEDITES THE GOLF TIME AND THE WAY THAT WE ARE DESIGNING THE SIMULATORS.

IS TO AS BEST AS POSSIBLE CREATE THE SAME EXPERIENCE THAT YOU CAN GET GOLFING.

WE'RE ARE USING THE BEST TECHNOLOGY IN THE WORLD TODAY THAT CREATES AN ACCURATE GOLFING EXPERIENCE.

IT'S IT'S PRETTY PHENOMENAL WHERE IT'S AT NOW.

WE'LL SEE WHERE IT'S AT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT BASICALLY IT ALLOWS FOR THE FLOOR TO MOVE AND SIMULATE VARIOUS LIES THAT ARE TOPOGRAPHICALLY MAPPED TO THE SIMULATION.

THE PUTTING AND SHORT GAME ELEMENTS OF THE SIMULATIONS ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO WHERE YOU COULD CONSIDER YOUR ROUNDS TO BE SCORED RELATIVELY ACCURATELY, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO A COUPLE OTHER ADVANCED CONSIDERATIONS WITH THE PROJECTION TO MAKE IT MORE IMMERSIVE, AND TO ADD NATURAL LIGHT AND SOUND WITHIN THE FACILITY, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THE OUTDOOR COMPONENT IS PART OF THE HEALTH VALUE OF GOLF.

AND WE DON'T WANT TO WE WANT TO WE WANT TO DO AS MANY INITIATIVES TO CAPTURE THAT EXPERIENCE AS WE CAN. AND AND THAT IS THE MAIN ASSESSMENT.

EVEN WITH THE DRIVING RANGE AND SHORT GAME ELEMENTS, THOSE ARE DESIGNED TO CAPTURE MORE OR LESS THE VOLUME THAT A AVERAGE GOLF COURSE COULD PROVIDE, SO THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY CONSIDER A TRULY ADDING A GOLF COURSE TO DENTON COUNTY TO HELP WITH THAT SUPPLY AND DEMAND ISSUE.

AND THAT IS MORE OR LESS THE THE OVERVIEW OF THE GOLF PORTION OF THIS FACILITY.

AND I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR SOME FURTHER QUESTIONS.

SO, MR. VLACHOS, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.

AND BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL.

SO I WAS READING AN ARTICLE RECENTLY AND IT SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT, TO THE EFFECT, AND I THINK IT WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU.

AND IT SAID WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS CONCEPT.

RIGHT. AND SO CAN YOU JUST PROVIDE SOME CLARITY FOR COUNCIL.

IS THIS SO SO YOU'RE NOT SOME BIG, YOU KNOW, FRANCHISOR FROM NEW YORK COMING IN LOOKING TO BUILD A BIG BUILDING? YOU'RE LOCAL.

RIGHT. AND YOU'RE A FLOWER MOUND RESIDENT.

YES, SIR. RIGHT. AND SO AND THIS IS YOURS.

LIKE THIS IS YOUR CONCEPT.

THAT IS CORRECT.

YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY.

AND I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT YOUR RESUME A LITTLE BIT, BUT SO BUT BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY LIKE A LOCAL GOLF PRO AND INVOLVED AND A RESIDENT.

AND IT'S NOT JUST SOME BIG COMPANY COMING IN LOOKING TO BUILD A BUILDING.

NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

YEAH. WELL CORRECT.

I'M NOT I'M NOT CALLOWAY, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT TOP GOLF.

YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT THIS FACILITY WILL THIS CONCEPT HAS A LOT OF MERIT AND WE ANTICIPATE A SUCCESS.

AND I DO THINK A LOT OF OTHER TOWNS IN AMERICA WOULD LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I THINK EVEN CONSIDERING THAT THERE COULD BE OTHER TOWNS IN AMERICA, I THINK THERE IS NO BETTER TOWN.

FROM WHEN YOU ANY PERSPECTIVE, YOU LOOK AT IT BETTER THAN FLOWER MOUND, WHETHER IT'S THE THE DEMOGRAPHIC, THE LOCATION, THE CONSIDERATION THAT'S PUT INTO THE QUALITY OF LIFE HERE.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF FLOWER MOUND FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, AND I'M PROUD TO LIVE HERE.

IT'S AN EXCELLENT PLACE, AND I WANT TO BRING FORTH A FACILITY THAT IS INDICATIVE OF THE TOWN THAT IT'S IN.

THIS. THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT IT COULDN'T WORK IN EVERY TOWN, YOU KNOW.

BUT IT CERTAINLY BY OUR ESTIMATION, MY TEAM'S ESTIMATION, MINE WOULD VERY WELL FIT THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND.

WELL, THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES I DO, UM, SO I'M REALLY INTRIGUED.

I THINK IT'S SUPER COOL.

PART OF THE GOLF EXPERIENCE IS THE SOCIAL ASPECT.

YES. ARE YOU PLANNING FOOD AND BEVERAGE AS A COMPONENT? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.

SURE. THERE'S GOING TO BE FOOD AND BEVERAGE AVAILABLE WITH WITHIN THE MAIN GOLF BUILDING.

[02:30:05]

WE HAVE AN INTERIOR KITCHEN.

THE MEZZANINE AREA IS REALLY MORE WHERE LIKE THE SOCIALIZING WOULD GO.

YOU COULD ALMOST CONSIDER THAT WHOLE FRONT HALF OF THAT, NOT FRONT, HALF THAT FRONT SECTION WHERE IT SAYS MEZZANINE, THE THE DOWNSTAIRS AND THE UPSTAIRS.

YOU COULD KIND OF CONSIDER THAT THE CLUBHOUSE AND THEN THE ENTIRE REST OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE THE GOLF FACILITY, YOU KNOW.

SO, SO DOWNSTAIRS, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE BEING CHECKED IN.

I MEAN, JUST THERE'S SOME HIGH LEVEL CONSIDERATIONS TO JUST THE SERVICE WHERE LIKE HAVING A BAG DROP AND A CART ATTENDANT PICK UP YOUR BAG AND IT'S ALREADY THERE FOR YOU WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE BAY.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF EXPERIENCE YOU GET AT A HIGH LEVEL.

PUBLIC GOLF COURSES, THAT OR PRIVATE CLUBS.

THAT'S THE VIBE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU THERE.

AND YES, THERE WILL BE FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND DRINK THAT IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE ON THE GOLF FLOOR.

BUT IT'S THAT'S NOT REALLY THE POINT OF THE GOLF FLOOR.

WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE THAT TRAFFIC MORE TOWARDS THE AREAS LIKE THE UPSTAIRS AND THE FRONT THERE FOR THAT.

BUT BUT I DO THINK IT'S IT'S AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT OF GOLF.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE THERE FOR 2 OR 3 OR FOUR HOURS EVEN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO HAVE AND IT'S PART OF THE SOCIAL IT IT IS.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE REASON WHY GOLF IS STILL IN SUCH HIGH DEMAND IS BECAUSE IT'S JUST A GREAT WAY TO MEET PEOPLE.

SO TWO OTHER QUICK QUESTIONS.

DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU MIGHT EMPLOY? YES, I WOULD SAY BETWEEN 50 AND 100.

OH GOOD. AND THEN LAST QUESTION, WHAT KIND OF A PARTICIPATION MODEL DO I BECOME A MEMBER OR CAN I BE STRICTLY RETAIL? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

IT IS GOING TO BE TOTALLY INCLUSIVE.

YOU CAN COME AND PUTT ON THE GREEN FOR NO COST, JUST LIKE YOU COULD AT ANY GOLF COURSE.

IF I'M A PUBLIC GREEN. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, COME PUTT HANG OUT.

YOU KNOW YOU CAN BE A DAILY FEE USER.

YOU CAN JUST I'M NOT A MEMBER.

I WANT TO PLAY FOR A ROUND OF GOLF.

I WANT TO BUY A BUCKET OF BALLS.

WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GET A SHIRT AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO HAVE A DRINK.

I DON'T WANT TO PLAY GOLF, YOU KNOW? NO PROBLEM. I WANT TO USE THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER.

I'M NOT A GOLFER.

GREAT. THAT'S A PART OF THE POINT OF THIS CONCEPT IS TO BRING DIFFERENT PEOPLE TOGETHER.

MAYBE YOU HANG OUT AROUND GOLF ENOUGH THAT IT PIQUES YOUR INTEREST.

I THINK IF YOU ADDED ONE THING, IT WOULD BE A GRAND.

SLAM. DO YOU HAVE ROOM FOR PICKLEBALL? WELL, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER SOUP.

SO. YES.

WELL, THE ANSWER IS.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND WE JUST HAD SOMEONE SPEAK EARLIER ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.

ABSOLUTELY GROWING AS WELL.

AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CROSSOVER.

EXACTLY. I THINK YOU'LL FIND A LOT OF GOLFERS LIKE PICKLEBALL AND VICE VERSA.

I TOTALLY AGREE. I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY ROOM ON OUR LOT IN OUR SITE PLAN TO ADD SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I WOULD LOVE TO.

BY MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'D BE AN OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT RECREATION SHOP, SO IT COULD BE INDOOR IF YOU WANTED TO.

IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, CASUALLY AMONGST THE TEAM.

TOTALLY OPEN TO THAT. I THINK THAT'D BE A GREAT EXPERIENCE.

AND THEN JUST TO FURTHER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THERE ARE MEMBERSHIPS AVAILABLE.

SO MORE OR LESS YOU COULD CALL IT A SEMI-PRIVATE OPTION.

HOW THE PERCENTAGE OF HOW THAT ENDS UP TOGGLING WILL BE SUBJECT TO SEE WHAT WHAT OCCURS THERE AND HOW WE DRIVE THE TRAFFIC.

WELL, THANKS FOR INDULGING MY QUESTIONS.

MY PLEASURE. REALLY EXCITING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH. WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE A ROUND OF GOLF COSTING AT THIS FACILITY VERSUS A NORMAL GOLF COURSE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

OKAY. SO IT'S.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU TO THIS.

WE'RE JUST. EXACTLY. HOW CAN I DESCRIBE IT? BASICALLY. IT WOULD BE PRICED HIGHER THAN THE LOWEST END POSSIBLE FACILITY BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LOW END FACILITY.

IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT EXPERIENCE.

SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN GO PLAY A ROUND OF GOLF AT A.

MUNICIPAL ON OFF TIMES THAT IT MIGHT BE LOWER COST THAN THIS, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT TRYING TO CHARGE WHAT A PREMIUM PUBLIC COURSE CHARGES ON THE WEEKENDS, WHICH MAY BE LIKE $120 FOR A ROUND.

OKAY, SO BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHARGE $30 FOR A ROUND EITHER.

IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, I WOULD CALL IT 70 TO $80 FOR A ROUND.

PLEASE DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.

YOU KNOW, INFLATION EXISTS AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT THAT'S THE CONCEPT BEHIND THE PRICING MODEL.

GREAT. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

ALL RIGHT WITH THAT? THE TIME IS NOW.

835 AND I AM OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM SUP 20 3-0005.

[02:35:04]

LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE GREEN COMMENT CARD.

FOR MISS ANGIE COX.

AS A REMINDER, IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND TONIGHT YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MAYOR COUNCIL STAFF.

MY NAME IS ANGIE COX.

I LIVE AT 3209 SEATON COURT AND I'LL KEEP THIS VERY SHORT AND SWEET.

I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND I'M REALLY IMPRESSED BY THIS PROJECT.

AND WHAT I SEE IS I HOPE YOU WILL REALLY CONSIDER THIS AND APPROVE THIS TONIGHT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT RESTAURANTS IN TOWN.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT DIFFERENT THINGS TO DO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE STATE OF THE ART FACILITY.

AND MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS GO TO OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE ARLINGTON, THE COLONY AND DIFFERENT PLACES.

WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO HAVE A STATE OF THE ART FACILITY HERE IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY, THAT WE CAN DRAW PEOPLE TO OUR TOWN AS WELL, TO HAVE PEOPLE DO THINGS? SO I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER THIS, AND IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND YOU CAN TELL BY JUST HIS PASSION HERE SPEAKING TONIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE NONE OTHER.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

THERESA. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER GREEN COMMENT CARDS? YOU'RE NOT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

SIR, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.

WELL, FIRST, JUST A QUICK SECOND.

WHY? DON'T KNOW SIR.

THAT'S ITEM NUMBER NINE.

YES, SIR. THAT WILL BE ITEM NUMBER NINE, AND WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN WE GET TO THAT ON THE AGENDA.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK UNDER THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

SENIOR HEARING NONE.

THE TIME IS 837 AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

COUNCIL DO WE HAVE ANY MORE? DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS.

NOPE. OTHERWISE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE.

SUP. 20 3-0005.

SECOND. ANY DELIBERATION ON THE MOTION? THERESA. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER DREW.

AYE. ITEM SUPP.

23 0005 PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

I DIDN'T GET TO VOTE. THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S GOOD. UNANIMOUS IS BETTER.

SURE. JUST A POINT OF PRIVILEGE.

SO THE GENTLEMAN WISHING TO SPEAK UNDER THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S GOING TO BE ITEM NUMBER NINE, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, IF YOU COULD FILL OUT A GREEN COMMENT CARD, MAKE SURE YOU MARK. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE.

AND THE TOWN SECRETARY WILL PROVIDE THOSE CARDS TO ME WHEN WE OPEN THAT.

SO MOVING ON.

[Items K.4. & K.5.]

ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

NO. TABLE.

SO HANG ON JUST A QUICK SECOND.

SO. OKAY.

SO IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE.

UH, WE HAVE A REQUEST THAT THESE ITEMS BE POSTPONED UNTIL DECEMBER 18TH, SO I'M OPENING ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE AT THE SAME TIME. WE HAVE A REQUEST THAT THEY BE POSTPONED TO DECEMBER 18TH.

IF EVERYONE IS AMICABLE TO THAT OR NOT, I GUESS I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO POSTPONE ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE TO DECEMBER 18TH.

COULD WE APOLOGIZE? COULD WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AS WELL? SO THAT WAY WE'RE TABLING THE ITEMS AND THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENTERTAIN ANY COMMENTS TONIGHT.

IT JUST PROCEDURALLY OPENS IT TO TABLE IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE.

YES. SO BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I WILL BE OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM FOUR, Z20005 AND ITEM FIVE Z 20 3-0002. THERESA.

DO WE HAVE ANY GREEN COMMENT CARDS? I DO NOT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEMS 4 OR 5, PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

SEEING AND HEARING NONE. THE TIME IS 839 AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

IT'S FINE IF YOU WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR CONTINUE IT.

WE'RE GOING TO POST IT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NEXT MEETING ANYWAY.

BRYN, DO YOU WANT US TO TABLE THESE TOGETHER, OR SHOULD WE DO TWO MOTIONS TOGETHER IS FINE.

ALL RIGHT, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE REGULAR ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE UNTIL DECEMBER 18TH.

AGAIN, ANY DELIBERATION ON THE MOTION? THERESA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

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COUNCILMEMBER DREW.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER SCHIESTEL.

AYE. MOTION TO TABLE.

PASSES BY. UNANIMOUS VOTE.

[K.6. Purchase of a Fire Apparatus - Consider approval of the purchase of a Pierce Aerial Fire Apparatus from Siddons Martin, through BuyBoard Contract #651-21, in the total amount of $1,483,301.30 ; and authorization for the Mayor to execute same on behalf of the Town]

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE PURCHASE OF A FIRE APPARATUS.

WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION BY DEPUTY CHIEF BRANDON BARTH AND ASSISTANT CHIEF DUFFIELD.

MAYOR COUNCIL. GOOD TO SEE YOU THIS EVENING.

GOOD EVENING SIR. I GET SET UP.

I WANTED TO ALSO CONGRATULATE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THEIR RECOGNITION.

HAVING DONE THAT OURSELVES, I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE.

BUT IT DEFINITELY, AGAIN, SHOWS PROFESSIONALISM OF THE ORGANIZATION.

AND I WOULDN'T BE HERE IF CHIEF CANCEL DIDN'T HELP HIRE ME ONCE UPON A TIME.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT ALSO, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. SO IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, ONE OF OUR FIRE TRUCKS IS UP FOR VEHICLE REPLACEMENT.

WE ARE LOOKING AS AS CLAY RIGGS LIKES TO SAY I'M UP HERE BECAUSE OF THE TWO COMMA RULE.

THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT REQUEST IS FOR A QUINT FIRE APPARATUS.

A QUINT IS BASICALLY AN ENGINE WITH AN AERIAL DEVICE.

IT HAS 107 FOOT AERIAL ON IT.

NOW, WHILE THE TOWN HAS ENGINE AND TRUCK COMPANIES AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DEDICATED FUNCTIONS AT A FIRE SCENE.

A QUINT ALLOWS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF HAVE A HYBRID.

SO THINK OF IT AS AN ENGINE WITH BENEFITS.

THIS RIG WOULD HAVE 500 GALLONS, 1500 GALLON PER MINUTE PUMP WITH 107 FOOT AERIAL LADDER THAT HAS AN AERIAL MASTER STREAM THAT CAN BE APPLIED.

SO IT GIVES THAT COMPANY OFFICER THE ABILITY WHEREVER THEY ROLL UP ON WHETHER THEY NEED TO DO AN INTERIOR FIRE ATTACK, OR IF THEY NEED TO USE AN ELEVATED STREAM, OR USE THEIR ELEVATED LADDER TO MAKE A RESCUE OFF OF A BALCONY.

AGAIN, NOT NEGATING THE THE TRUCK AND ENGINE COMPANIES WHERE THE ENGINES PROVIDE WATER AND FIRE HOSE AT A STRUCTURE FIRE AND THE TRUCKS CARRY LARGE AMOUNTS OF EQUIPMENT.

THIS QUINT WOULD ALLOW US A LITTLE BIT OF A HYBRID.

SO THEN IT IT'LL BE LIKE 500 OH ONE.

YES. AND THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE Q505.

WE HAVE HAD A QUINT BEFORE IN THE FLOWER MOUND FIRE DEPARTMENT.

Q505. SO LIKE WE PRESENTED EARLIER THIS YEAR WITH SOME OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STRATEGIC PLANNING, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT ISO AND FUTURE GROWTH.

SO THIS THIS PARTICULAR APPARATUS WAS PART OF THAT.

AND WE MENTIONED IT IN SLIDES 28 AND 37 OF THAT STRATEGIC PLAN.

THIS APPARATUS WOULD BE HOUSED AT STATION FIVE DOWN IN LAKESIDE.

SO DOWN IN SOUTHEAST FLOWER MOUND FUTURE GROWTH WOULD PUT A QUINT AT STATION PERMANENT STATION SIX AS WELL.

SO YOU CAN THINK OF OUR TWO TRUCK COMPANIES BEING ASSIGNED TO AN EAST AND WEST BATTALION COVERING THEIR AREA, AND KIND OF A QUINT AS A BOOKEND.

AND THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW US ALSO TO HELP WITH THE DEPLOYMENT ANALYSIS OF ISO, WHERE WE HAVE THAT AERIAL DEVICE.

AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE BUFFERS, TWO AND A HALF MILE BUFFER AROUND EACH STATION IS THE OPTIMAL ISO DEPLOYMENT ANALYSIS FOR AERIAL LADDER TRUCKS.

SO WITH TWO QUINTS AND TWO TRUCKS, WE COULD REALLY MAXIMIZE THAT EFFICIENCY.

AND NOT HAVING TO PUT DOUBLE COMPANY HOUSES AT ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAVE AN ENGINE AND A TRUCK COMPANY.

SO TRYING TO LINE UP THE EFFICIENCY OF PERSONNEL COSTS AND APPARATUS COST, THE BENEFITS OF PUTTING THIS APPARATUS AT STATION FIVE IS THE THE OCCUPANCIES OF THAT DISTRICT.

SO WE HAVE LARGE WAREHOUSES WHERE IT AFFORDS THE OPPORTUNITY TO THIS TRUCK TO PUMP INTO A SUPPRESSION SYSTEM.

IF THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF FIRE THAT COULD GO WITH THE AERIAL MASTER STREAM TO HELP KEEP IT CONTAINED TO THE THE OCCUPANCY.

ALSO WITH THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, THE THE AERIAL COMPLIMENT AS WELL AS THEIR FIREFIGHTING COMPLEMENT ALLOWS THEM TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION WITH WHAT IS PRESENTED TO THEM UPON ARRIVAL AT THAT INCIDENT.

ALL RIGHT, SO THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

THIS QUINT WOULD ALLOW US THE BENEFIT OF AN ENGINE AND AN AERIAL DEVICE.

I KIND OF SPOKE TO THAT THAT HYBRID MENTALITY AND MAXIMIZING SOME OF THAT, THOSE ISO POINTS WITHOUT INCREASING THE OPERATIONAL COST, I.E.

AN ENGINE AND A TRUCK COMPANY HOUSE TOGETHER AT THAT STATION.

ADDITIONALLY, THIS APPARATUS IS REPLACING A TYPE THREE ENGINE, WHICH IS BASICALLY A HYBRID BETWEEN A BRUSH TRUCK AND A STRUCTURAL ENGINE.

THAT ENGINE, UNFORTUNATELY, HAS BEEN VERY MAINTENANCE PRONE, AND SO IT WAS ACTUALLY FLEET'S RECOMMENDATION TO FINANCE THAT WE GET THIS VEHICLE OUT OF OUR FLEET DUE TO THOSE MAINTENANCE COST.

AND AGAIN, NORMALLY WE TRADE IN APPARATUS, BUT FLEET HAS FOUND THAT WE CAN MAKE MORE MONEY ON THE AUCTION OF THIS VEHICLE VERSUS A TRADE IN AND ALSO SOME OF THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM FLOWER MOUND PARTICIPATION IN OPERATION LONE STAR DOWN ON THE BORDER IS HELPING OFFSET SOME OF THE FUNDS OF THIS APPARATUS.

WE'VE BEEN WE'VE HAD AN ENGINE IN DEL RIO, TEXAS, SINCE JULY OF 2021, AND IT ACTUALLY RETURNED TODAY.

SO WE HAVE THE TOWN HAS MADE AN HOURLY RATE ON THAT ENGINE DURING ITS DEPLOYMENT.

[02:45:06]

GOOD WORK. AND THEN TYING THIS NEW APPARATUS INTO KIND OF THE SMART GROWTH EQUITY EFFECTIVENESS, EFFECTIVENESS AND EFFICIENCY.

AGAIN, TALKED ABOUT THE ISO DEPLOYMENT ANALYSIS AND HOW THAT WILL HELP IMPROVE FUTURE RATES, MAINTAINING THE INSURANCE SAVINGS THAT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL OWNERS IN TOWN EXPERIENCE THE EFFECTIVENESS, AGAIN, APPROPRIATE APPARATUS FOR THAT DISTRICT WITH THE THE MULTIPLE SWISS ARMY KNIFE FUNCTIONS THAT THE COMPANY OFFICER IS AFFORDED AND THEN THE EFFICIENCY AGAIN AVOIDING THE DOUBLE COMPANY HOUSE IN THAT DISTRICT.

AND AN ADDITIONAL THING, EVEN THOUGH IT A PROTRACTED BUILD TIME, IS KIND OF INCONVENIENT FOR US OPERATIONALLY, IT WILL ALLOW US TO ABSORB A LOT OF THE LOOSE EQUIPMENT INTO OUR NORMAL OPERATING BUDGET OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF FISCAL YEARS WITHOUT HAVING TO DO SEPARATE DECISION OR NON-DISCRETIONARY PACKAGES FOR THAT APPARATUS AND THE LOOSE, LOOSE EQUIPMENT WORLD.

AND WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. WHAT'S THE LIFESPAN OF THIS VEHICLE? IT SHOULD BE UP TO 15 YEARS.

ANYONE ELSE? SORRY, I WAS READING THAT.

I WAS JUST MAKING SURE BECAUSE IT'S THROUGH THE BY BOARD.

SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? CHIEF. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY ALIGN THE EFFECTIVENESS AND EFFICIENCIES OF.

THE DIFFERENCE IN A DOUBLE COMPANY STATION WITH AN ENGINE IN A TRUCK OR TRADITIONAL MODEL VERSUS.

THIS IS $1.5 MILLION FOR THE COST OF THE PERSONNEL FOR ENGINE COMPANY FOR INFINITY, AND ABOUT A 3 OR 6 3 TO 4% INCREASE, AND PROBABLY 100 TO $200,000 BACK IN THE FUND FOR THIS.

SO WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT WHAT IS $1.5 MILLION.

MR.. COUNCIL MEMBER OF FOR THE TAX RATE, WHAT DOES IT DO? SO THIS IS, AGAIN, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TRYING TO BE AS EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT AT THE SAME TIME.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY REASONS TO HAVE TRUCK COMPANIES.

ABSOLUTELY THE REASON TO HAVE ENGINE COMPANIES.

BUT THERE'S ALSO TIMES THAT A VEHICLE LIKE THIS APPARATUS LIKE THIS AND THAT HIGH DENSITY AREA, OUR HIGHEST TAX, OUR HIGHEST PER SQUARE FOOT, OUR E-COMMERCE SYSTEM DOWN THERE, OUR BIG BOXES, OUR MIXED USE DOWN THERE.

THIS ALLOWS THAT CAPTAIN TO HAVE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE THE PROPERTY THAT NOT ONLY THE PROPERTY VALUE, BUT SALES TAX AS WELL.

SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS SAVING US $1.5 MILLION A YEAR VERSUS HAVING A ENGINE AND A TRUCK COMING DOWN THERE TOGETHER.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL CONSIDERING THIS.

AND WE DO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND WE KNOW WE'RE EXPENSIVE.

WE TRY TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SAVE WHAT WE CAN AND BRING VALUE BACK FOR THESE DOLLARS.

THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT'S REALLY GOOD CONTEXT.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU BROUGHT IN THE ROI TOO, BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU ADDED AND HONESTLY, I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT THAT EXTRA NUMBER BECAUSE I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT BUT YOU KNOW, THE ADDED TAX REVENUE.

BUT EVEN THE STAFF IS A ONE FOR ONE.

SO YOU GET 100% RETURN PROBABLY IN THE FIRST YEAR.

SO THAT'S A GOOD DEAL I THINK.

THANK YOU, CHIEF. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ONE MORE QUESTION. THE THE TRUCK WERE SELECTING THE SUPPLIER WE'RE WORKING WITH TO GET THE TRUCK.

DID WE MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE MOST RELIABLE SUPPLIER OR DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE? SO CURRENTLY WE ARE IN ALL PIERCE FLEET.

AND SO WE ARE STICKING WITH THE PIERCE FLEET.

THEY ARE ONE OF THE THE MORE REPUTABLE, WELL KNOWN NATIONWIDE DEALERS OF FIRE APPARATUS IN THE COUNTRY.

WE DO EXPERIENCE SOME DIESEL ISSUES WITH DIESEL EXHAUST FLUID ON A LOT OF OUR RIGS, BUT A LOT OF OTHER AGENCIES ARE DEALING WITH THAT AS WELL.

BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT THEY ARE INCORPORATING IN THE ENGINE BUILD THE ACTUAL ENGINE OF THE TRUCK THAT IMPROVES SOME OF THE DEF DIESEL EXHAUST FLUID SYSTEMS. SO THEY ANTICIPATE WE WILL HAVE FEWER DEF ISSUES WITH DOWNTIME ON MAINTENANCE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCE.

OKAY, GOOD. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT PIPE, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE BY BOARD CONTRACT.

SO THAT'S LIKE AN MSSA THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY'VE WON TO COMPETE FOR THAT PRICE.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING IT WAS ALREADY COMPETED.

OUR PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT DIDN'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND COMPETE.

THIS IT WAS BEING BOUGHT UNDER THE MSA FROM THE BY BOARD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THINK IT'S ON THE EMAIL TODAY THAT IT TAKES TIME TO GET THIS VEHICLE? IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. YES, SIR.

WE'RE THINKING ANYWHERE FROM 2 TO 3 YEARS.

WOW. THE.

WELL, LET'S GET IT NOW. DEPARTMENT ORDERED ONE.

HURRY UP AND GET ON IT. HURRY UP AND VOTE.

YES. I WAS TOLD THAT A NEIGHBORING CITY TO US RECENTLY ORDERED AN ENGINE THAT'S GOT A FOUR YEAR BUILD TIME.

AND IT'S NOT A SUPER CUSTOM BUILD.

AND IT'S VERY INTERESTING OUT THERE.

[02:50:01]

READY. ARE YOU READY? CAN I DO IT? I WANT TO DO IT. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM K SIX AS WRITTEN.

SECOND. ANY DELIBERATION ON THAT MOTION? THERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHIESTEL.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL.

AYE. AND COUNCIL MEMBER DREW.

AYE. ITEM NUMBER SIX.

PURCHASE OF A FIRE APPARATUS.

PASSES BY. UNANIMOUS VOTE.

[K.7. Reinsurance Contract (Health Plan) - Consider approval of a reinsurance contract for the Town's Group Health Plan with Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas in the amount of $3,042,698; and authorization for the Mayor to execute the same on behalf of the Town.]

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL BE OPENING ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

THE REINSURANCE CONTRACT.

HEALTH PLAN.

THE ANOTHER DOUBLE COMMA RULE.

LINDA. YES.

DIRECTOR OF HR.

OH, AND JAMES TO CLOSE IF NEEDED.

THAT'S A GREAT NOTE.

GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING.

HOW'S EVERYONE DOING? I'M LINDA BOLITHO, THE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.

AND TODAY, FOR YOU, WE HAVE OUR RENEWAL FOR STOP LOSS INSURANCE.

WE'RE GOING TO DO A SHORT PRESENTATION AND TO PRESENT TO YOU WE HAVE SCOTT GIBBS FROM MCGRIFF INSURANCE SERVICES WHO IS GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO OUR PRESENTATION.

I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

EXCELLENT. WELL, GOOD EVENING, MR. GIBBS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME OUT TONIGHT.

SO, AS LINDA SAID, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR STOP LOSS RENEWAL FOR THE MEDICAL PLAN.

JUST A REAL BRIEF AGENDA.

I'M JUST GOING TO. I'VE GOT A FEW SLIDES JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT IS STOP LOSS INSURANCE.

YOU KNOW WHY WE PURCHASE IT? THE TYPES OF STOP LOSS COVERAGE THAT WE HAVE, OUR CURRENT STOP LOSS COVERAGE IN SITUATION.

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR HISTORICAL STOP LOSS CLAIM ANALYSIS, THE RFP RESULTS AND CONSIDERATIONS.

AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PAYER MATRIX, WHICH IS A PROGRAM THAT WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THROUGH BLUE CROSS, WHICH WE THINK WILL HELP US ON FUTURE FUTURE RENEWALS AND THEN JUST RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS AND THEN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

SO STOP LOSS INSURANCE.

THE TOWN PURCHASES STOP LOSS LIMITS TO HELP LIMIT THE LIABILITY TO OUR SELF-FUNDED PLAN, AND ALSO HELPS PROTECT THE FINANCIAL INTEGRITY OF THOSE PLANS.

WHAT WE DO IS IT THE STOP LOSS PROTECTS US FROM FINANCIAL LOSSES ASSOCIATED WITH CATASTROPHIC CLAIMS, OR IF WE HAVE A MULTITUDE IN A LARGE RUN ON CLAIMS, YOU KNOW, IT HELPS US WITH THAT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, HIGH COST CLAIMANTS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.

AS YOU KNOW, MEDICAL CLAIMS ARE CONTINUING TO INCREASE.

WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING GENERIC DRUGS COMING OUT THAT ARE COSTING 2 TO $3 MILLION.

SO WE HAVE THIS COVERAGE TO PROTECT US AGAINST THE UNFORESEEN LARGE CLAIMS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND JUST RUINED.

THE CONTRACT IS IS BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE STOP LOSS CARRIER.

SO THE INDIVIDUAL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

IT'S JUST BETWEEN YOU GUYS AND THE CARRIER.

SO WE PURCHASED TWO TYPES OF COVERAGE.

THE FIRST IS SPECIFIC OR INDIVIDUAL COVERAGE THAT PROTECTS US ON AN INDIVIDUAL CLIMATE BASIS OR A PER CLIMATE BASIS.

SO WHAT WE DO IS WE WE'RE SELF-FUNDED, WE PAY UP TO THE DEDUCTIBLE AMOUNT, AND THEN THE REINSURANCE CARRIER WILL PICK IT UP FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL CLAIMANT.

WE ALSO PURCHASE AGGREGATE REINSURANCE.

AND THAT'S IF YOU THINK OF IT, IT'S ON THE AGGREGATE OF THE WHOLE OF THE TOWN'S CLAIMS. SO THERE'S A CORRIDOR WE PUT ON TOP OF AN EXPECTED CLAIM NUMBER AND THEN WE'RE PROTECTED.

IF WE HAPPEN TO HAVE A REALLY BAD YEAR ACROSS THE BOARD AND GO ABOVE THAT.

ALSO, YOU'LL HEAR HEAR ME MENTION A TERM CALLED LASERING.

WHAT LASERING IS, IS BASICALLY, IF THE CARRIER KNOWS THAT THERE ARE KNOWN CLAIMANTS OUT THERE THAT THEY KNOW ARE GOING TO EXCEED THE CURRENT SPECIFIC STOP LOSS DEDUCTIBLE, THEY CAN CHOOSE TO LASER CURRENT INDIVIDUALS UP TO, YOU KNOW, OUR DEDUCTIBLES, 165,000.

YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE YOU COULD HAVE THEM LASER THAT INDIVIDUAL UP TO LIKE $650,000, WHEREAS THE TOWN WOULD BE.

SO WE DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, NO LASERS OUT THERE.

SO OUR CURRENT STOP LOSS CARRIER IS BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD OF TEXAS.

CURRENT INDIVIDUAL STOP LOSS DEDUCTIBLE IS 165,000 PER CLAIMANT, AND THIS RUNS ON A CALENDAR YEAR BASIS.

SO PLAN YEAR BASIS JANUARY TO DECEMBER.

OUR CURRENT ATTACHMENT FACTOR THAT IS YOUR CAP ON YOUR AGGREGATE REINSURANCE.

IT'S 125% OF EXPECTED CLAIMS. OUR CURRENT STOP LOSS PREMIUM IS A IS APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 1.5 MILLION.

THROUGH OCTOBER, WE'VE HAD NINE CLAIMANTS THAT HAVE EXCEEDED THAT 165,000.

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AND WE'VE COLLECTED 2,267,000 IN REIMBURSEMENTS FROM BLUE CROSS.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT US HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, I'VE GONE BACK TO 2018.

I THINK YOU CAN SEE OUR RENEWALS.

SO I'VE GOT THE CARRIER WE WERE WITH, WHAT OUR DEDUCTIBLE AMOUNT WAS, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, WHAT OUR RATE WAS, WHAT THE MONTHLY WHAT THE ANNUAL PREMIUM IS, AND THEN VERSUS WHAT THE CLAIMS THAT BLUE CROSS HAS PAID OUT.

SO I THINK YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH REALLY THROUGH OCTOBER OF 2023, WE'VE RUN AT ABOUT 126% LOSS RATIO.

SO OUR CLAIMS HAVE EXCEEDED THE ANNUAL PREMIUM THAT BLUE CROSS RECEIVED BY ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 1,000,003.

SO, YOU KNOW, HENCE WHY I'M HERE.

AND IT'S A TOUGH RENEWAL.

WE DID HAVE SOME OPTIONS.

I THINK WE ARE RECOMMENDING PROBABLY THE BEST OPTION, BUT FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BLUE CROSS WITH NO NEW LASERS, IT IS 100%, 100% INCREASE. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS A HISTORY OF KIND OF HOW WE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE GOT HERE.

AND WE DO JUST WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT CLAIMANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO BE OUT THERE.

SO THE RFP RESULTS.

SO WE DID RELEASE THE RFP ON SEPTEMBER 23RD.

WE CLOSED IT ON OCTOBER 31ST.

WE RECEIVED TWO PROPOSALS THE RENEWAL FROM BLUE CROSS.

WE DID RECEIVE A RENEWAL FROM SUN LIFE.

YOU'LL SEE THE THERE.

YOU KNOW, SUN LIFE WAS NOT REALLY AN OPTION.

WE HAD 12 VENDORS DECLINE DUE TO EITHER UNCOMPETITIVE RATES BUT MAINLY DUE TO ONGOING LARGE CLAIMANTS.

INSURANCE IS PRETTY EASY.

YOU GOT A RISK, YOU UNDERWRITE THE RISK, YOU PUT A PREMIUM ON IT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, OUR RISK IS PRETTY HIGH RIGHT NOW.

AND SO WE JUST DIDN'T THERE WAS NOT AN APPETITE OUT THERE.

SO WHEN THE PROPOSALS CAME IN WE REVIEWED THEM BASED ON KIND OF THE OVERALL FIXED COST CONTRACT TERMS, THE RISK, THE DEDUCTIBLE LEVELS.

AND THEN REALLY IF THERE WERE ANY INDIVIDUAL LASERS OR NO LASERS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THIS WERE THE OPTIONS.

WE HAD BLUE CROSS, WE HAD THE CURRENT AND WE HAD THE RENEWAL.

THEY DID GIVE US A RENEWAL OPTION OF AN 11% INCREASE, BUT WE HAD THREE LASERS OF ABOUT $950,000.

THEY GAVE US OPTION TWO, WHICH WAS IF WE DID NOT WANT ANY LASERS, IT WAS 101% INCREASE.

SUNLIFE WAS PROVIDED TWO OPTIONS, AGAIN, 30% INCREASE.

BUT THEIR LASERS WERE THEY HAD SIX LASERS THAT COULD BE UP TO $5.5 MILLION.

SO THEY WEREN'T REALLY EVEN IN PLAY.

SO WE KIND OF DISCUSSED WITH STAFF ABOUT KIND OF HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO JUST SPEND A SECOND TALKING ABOUT IS PAYER MATRIX.

THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO THIS IS GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST.

IT'S A NEW SPECIALTY DRUG PROGRAM.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.

LARGE CLAIMS HAVE REALLY KIND OF HIT OUR LARGE SPECIALTY PHARMACEUTICALS.

AND PAYER MATRIX IS BEING OFFERED THROUGH BLUE CROSS.

SO WHAT PARAMETRICS DOES IS IT'S A SPECIALTY DRUG PROGRAM WHICH BASICALLY HELPS THE MEMBER FIND THE DRUG MANUFACTURER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

SO DEPENDING ON THE MEDICATION, THE MEMBER MAY QUALIFY BASED ON THE INCOME LEVELS OR THE UNIQUE DISEASE STATE.

IT VARIES BY DRUG MANUFACTURER.

SO WHAT WE YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'LL DO IS THE MEMBER WILL ASK THE MEMBER TO GO DOWN THAT PARA MATRIX HAS A WHOLE CONCIERGE SERVICE TEAM THAT HELPS THEM TO TO, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE. ULTIMATELY, IF IT'S NOT, IF THEY WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR IT, WE'RE STILL GOING TO CONTINUE TO PAY FOR IT UNDER PRIME.

THE REALITY IS, INSTEAD OF IT BEING, YOU KNOW, LASERED OUT, WE WILL PAY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT COVERED.

SO WHAT THE POSITIVE THING ABOUT THIS FOR THE MEMBER TOO, IS, IS IF THEY DO QUALIFY FOR THE MEDICATION, IT IS A $0 CO-PAY.

THEY GET THEY GET IT FOR FREE.

SO THE FINANCIAL SAVINGS AT 100% PARTICIPATION OF THE PLANS IS NET THE MANUFACTURER REBATE LOSSES, BUT IT'S ABOUT 1.9 MILLION.

AND SO THE REALITY IS WE WE DO HAVE SOME ROOM AND WE ANTICIPATE SEVERAL OF THESE DRUGS.

WE WE HAD THEM RUN AT 1.9 MILLION CAME FROM PAYER MATRIX.

SO THE REALITY IS HOPEFULLY THAT WILL CHEW UP SOME OF THE RENEWAL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ON THE STOP LOSS SIDE.

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SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS NEXT STEPS IS TO RENEW WITH BLUE CROSS AT THE $165,000 LEVEL.

WE LOOKED AT UPPING THE DEDUCTIBLE.

THERE WAS NO WE ALWAYS YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT IT, WE LOOK AT IT.

THREE YEAR HISTORY IS OKAY IF WE UPPED THE DEDUCTIBLE AND THE PREMIUM DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

YOU KNOW, SINCE FOR US.

SO THE THE RENEWAL IS THE, THE 101% INCREASE FROM BLUE CROSS WITH NO LASERS.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE'RE HOPING PARR MATRIX SHOULD HELP OFFSET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THAT THROUGH POTENTIAL SAVINGS UP TO 1.9 MILLION.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BLUE CROSS AND HAVE YOU GUYS AUTHORIZE US TO SIGN THE CONTRACT.

AND THE PLAN WOULD BE EFFECTIVE ONE ONE OF 2024.

YES. THANK YOU, MR. GIBBS. SOMETIMES I PAUSE BECAUSE I DON'T ALWAYS KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER SLIDE.

AND I DIDN'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF. NO, NO, NO, NO, SORRY.

I'LL ANSWER ANY. I WAS WAITING FOR THE QUESTION SLIDE BEFORE I SAID THANK YOU.

I WAS A LITTLE SLOW ON. TURNED IT OVER.

I WAS IT WAS OKAY.

I APPRECIATE THE PAUSE.

YES, YES.

MARTIN. GO AHEAD. HOW DOES PAIR MATRIX GET PAID? SO THEY'LL TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF THE SAVINGS.

OKAY, SO THEY ONLY GET PAID.

YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE? I BELIEVE WE'RE THEY'RE CAPPING IT.

WHY DON'T YOU ASK ME THAT? IT'S.

DO WHAT? YEAH, THEY'LL ONLY TAKE NO MORE THAN 60,000 PER DRUG.

SO IT'S LIKE A PERCENTAGE.

LIKE IS IT 20%? 30%? IT DEPENDS ON IT WOULD REALLY DEPEND ON THE I CAN TELL YOU THEIR I'M CURIOUS.

YEAH. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT WE, I MEAN WE GOT A COUPLE WE GOT A DRUG AT $800,000.

SO 60 60,000 OFF 800 IS.

OH THAT WOULD BE A DEAL.

THAT'S FINE. BUT ON SOME OF THE LOWER ONES, YOU KNOW.

AND IS IT MANDATORY FOR PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN PAY MATRIX.

SO FOR SPECIALTY DRUGS, DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR PRESCRIBED MEDS ARE SPECIALTY DRUGS.

WELL, THE PERCENTAGE OF THE DRUGS THAT I THINK WOULD FALL UNDER HERE AND I DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT I CAN GET IT FOR YOU.

I THINK WE'RE I THINK I THINK WHAT STANDS IN MY BRAIN IS I THINK WE HAD 22 PEOPLE THAT I ASSUME IT'S BY DRUG, THOUGH. IT IS BY DRUG.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, JUST SO THAT IT DOESN'T CREEP UP ON US, IS THE 60,000 CAP.

SOUNDS GREAT FOR SOME OF THESE CATASTROPHIC DRUGS, BUT I THINK THE POTENTIAL IS THAT IT COULD ADD UP FASTER ON A LIKE, SAY, IT'S A 20 OR 30% CHARGE, WHICH IS NOT IT SOUNDS A LOT.

IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE IN THE WORLD OF INSURANCE FOR SPECIALTY FEES, BUT IF WE HAVE MANY LOWER DRUGS, I JUST I'D LIKE TO HAVE A SENSE OF THAT.

I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY SHARE THE SAVINGS ANALYSIS THAT THEY DID.

WE CAN SHARE THE ANALYSIS AND IT'LL GO IT'LL TELL YOU BY DRUG HOW MANY PEOPLE BY DRUG, I MEAN, I'M PROBABLY READY TO MAKE A DECISION.

BUT I'M KIND OF THINKING TWO, THREE, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

THE OTHER THING THAT WAS OF GREAT CONCERN TO ME WAS THE DECLINE TO QUOTE RATIO, 86%.

AND THAT'S THAT REALLY PUTS US AT A DISADVANTAGE.

UNFORTUNATELY IT DOES.

AND DUE TO I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

IT IS IT'S WE'RE YEAH WE'RE IN A.

SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS TO YOU, SCOTT, DO YOU PROVIDE CONSULTATIVE SERVICES.

THAT WOULD GIVE US A WHOLE REVIEW OF ALL I KNOW WE'RE DOING SOME GREAT THINGS, YOU KNOW, WITH HEALTH AND WELLNESS, BUT DO YOU PROVIDE A CONSULTATIVE SERVICE THAT ASSESSES, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT THE PAYBACK IS, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS ON OUR PROGRAMS MOVING FORWARD, THAT WOULD HELP US BE IN A BETTER POSITION WHEN IT COMES TIME TO QUOTE NEXT TIME WE DO, AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE TALK ABOUT THAT A LOT.

WE TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE JUST SOME DISEASES AND DISEASE STATE CATEGORIES THAT COME UP THAT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW I KNOW THEY'RE DEFINITELY.

YEAH. AND I THINK AND THAT'S KIND OF THE SITUATION WE'RE IN HERE THAT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHO HAVE SIMILAR OPERATIONS TO OURS ALSO FACE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.

THEY DO. AND I'LL TELL YOU, AND THEY'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS.

I WORK WITH PROBABLY 40 DIFFERENT PUBLIC ENTITIES.

YOU GUYS ARE IN A UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE POPULATION BEING SMALL, NOT BECAUSE OF THE POPULATION, JUST BECAUSE OF THE THE DISEASE STATE CATEGORIES THAT WE HAVE ON THE PLAN.

SO FOR NOW, JUST FOR NOW RIGHT.

IT OKAY.

YEAH. AND IT AND SO YOU DON'T REALLY SEE ANY WAY ANY MAJOR THINGS THAT WE COULD DO MOVING FORWARD TO.

WELL I THINK, I THINK WE ALWAYS NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WELLNESS AND LOOK AT THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND THAT THAT OUR CARRIERS OFFER.

AND EVEN OUTSIDE OF THAT INSURANCE SIDE, IS THERE ANY ARE WE BUNDLED OR ARE WE OUR OWN SEPARATE RISK?

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NO, YOU'RE YOUR OWN SEPARATE RISK.

IS THERE ANY WAY OR IS THERE ANY CONSORTIUM OR PROGRAM THAT WHERE WE COULD JOIN IN AND THEN HOPEFULLY EXPERIENCE BETTER RESULTS? YEAH, THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME CAPTIVE ARRANGEMENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

TYPICALLY THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT ONE FOR THE MUNICIPAL BUSINESS RIGHT NOW.

YOU SHOULD GET THAT GOING. WELL I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW CAPTIVES OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU.

IT IS CAPTIVES OWN REINSURANCE ARE ARE ON MEDICAL REINSURANCE TEND TO BE A LITTLE TRICKY BUT BUT NO THAT'S I MEAN WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING AT EVERYTHING.

AND WHEN WE GO OUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO SEND IT OUT TO SOME CAPTIVE MANAGERS AND SOME THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO IT'S JUST YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS NOT THE FUN PART OF MY JOB.

I KNOW IT'S HARD, BUT YOU'RE IN A TOUGH SPOT BECAUSE OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

AND. YEAH, AND LIKE I SAID, I, YOU KNOW, I COULD VENT.

I GET VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE DRUG MANUFACTURERS BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TELLING ME A DRUG AT $1 MILLION OR $2 MILLION DRUG, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO COME DOWN TO A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT SOME COMPANIES THAT ARE JUST GOING TO SAY, HEY, I CAN'T COVER THAT DRUG.

AND AT THAT WE DON'T EXCLUDE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, DO WE KNOW? AND I THINK AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE I THINK AT THAT POINT WE'RE GOING TO SEE HEADS TURN.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE SIX? THINGS. SO JUST ON THAT POINT.

SO THE CLAIMS, ALL THIS GROWTH WE'RE SEEING IN OUR PREMIUMS IS RESULTING FROM THESE CLAIMS, RIGHT.

THIS INCREASE FROM 200 K TO OVER 2 MILLION.

AND THAT'S SPECIALTY PHARMACEUTICALS THAT IS DRIVING ALL OF THAT INCREASE.

LARGE LARGE CLAIMANTS AND AND THE YOU KNOW BUT THE BULK OF OUR LARGE CLAIMANTS ARE OUR HIGH DOLLAR PHARMACEUTICALS. YEAH I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START MAKING THOSE DECISIONS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO IT SOUNDED LIKE PAY.

WAS IT PAY OR MATRIX WAS HAS SOME DISCRETION IN WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO.

IT'S NOT THEIR DISCRETION.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S IF THE MEMBER IF THE DRUG MANUFACTURER ACCEPTS THE MEMBER INTO THEIR ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

NOW, WE DID CHECK ON THE DRUGS THAT WE HAVE.

AND AGAIN, THESE DRUGS ARE NOT FREQUENTLY TAKEN DRUGS OKAY.

BUT THEY HAVE HAD SUCCESS WITH ONE DRUG IN PARTICULAR.

THEY'VE THEY'VE HAD LIKE TWO PEOPLE AND THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THEM IN THE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

I THINK THE FOLLOW UP WITH THE THE INFORMATION YOU'RE ASKING FOR, I REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL WE ARE IN GETTING PEOPLE SUCCESS IN GETTING THESE MEDICATIONS.

AND I'M GLAD TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF IMPLEMENTING IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATING IT WITH THE EMPLOYEES.

AND I'M GLAD TO TO COME BACK OUT POST THAT.

AND AND WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY AT THE END OF THE FIRST QUARTER, WE SHOULD HAVE AN IDEA OF, OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT.

THE FEE IS BASED ON PERCENT RECOVERED.

SO IF YOU DON'T RECOVER ANYTHING AND YOU DON'T GET PEOPLE IN THE PROGRAM, THEY DON'T CHARGE.

YEAH. THEN YOU PAY FULL PRICE.

WELL PAY FULL PRICE ON THE DRUG BUT YOU DON'T PAY PAYER MATRIX.

NO NO NO NO. IT'S STILL BETTER I THINK A MUCH BETTER DEAL TO GET PAY.

IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE'RE ASKING FOR CHARITY AND IT'S KIND OF BIZARRE.

NO IT'S NOT.

NO, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIND THE BEST WAY TO ATTACK THIS PROBLEM AND JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE JUST WITH SOME OF THESE, LIKE WITH PAYER MATRIX, THERE'S ANOTHER COMPANY CALLED SHARKS THAT'S OUT THERE.

AND ACTUALLY NOW A COUPLE OF THE DRUG MANUFACTURERS ARE SUING THEM, SAYING IT'S A SAYING THAT THEY'RE INTERFERING WITH THEIR BUSINESS FLOW.

SO IT'S IT'S IT'S KIND OF YOU FIND THE GOAL LINE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY MOVE THE GOAL LINE.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTION SPECIFICALLY FOR KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

I THINK IT'S A SERVICE TO THE PATIENT OR THE EMPLOYEE AS WELL, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE FACING A SERIOUS ILLNESS, THE VERY LAST THING YOU HAVE THE GUMPTION TO DO IS TO FIGHT AN INSURANCE COMPANY. AND YOU I THINK MANY TIMES YOU WANT TO HELP YOUR EMPLOYER OUT, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T YOU REALLY CAN'T PURSUE ALL THESE THINGS.

SO HAVING THE SERVICE DO IT FOR YOU, I THINK IS A WIN WIN.

NO, LINDA, FROM FROM AN EMPLOYER STANDPOINT.

RIGHT. I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN THIS IS VERY EMPLOYEE BENEFICIAL.

RIGHT. SO SO THIS IS TAKING CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

THIS IS DOING THE RIGHT THING BY OUR EMPLOYEES.

AND AND RIGHT.

I MEAN, BECAUSE WE KIND OF GLOSSED OVER SOME OF THE NUMBERS AND SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY.

BUT WHAT I WAS GLEANING FROM SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT STAFF PROVIDED AND WHAT'S ON THE SLIDES IS, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL WOULD BE DOING DOING SOMETHING GOOD.

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WELL, IT IMPACTS THE OUT OF POCKET FOR THE EMPLOYEE AS WELL.

YES, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE.

THEY QUALIFY WITH OUR MATRIX, THEY PAY NOTHING.

YEAH, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT AT ALL.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WAS I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT IT HAS EITHER IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT WE'RE WE'RE SOME OF THAT'S BY CHOICE AND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL IT'S IT'S IT IT ULTIMATELY IS A WIN WIN FOR THE TOWN AND FOR THE MEMBER AND ULTIMATELY FOR THE THE EMPLOYEES.

YEAH. ULTIMATELY FOR THE EMPLOYEE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THEY'RE GOING TO GET A CONCIERGE OR THEY'RE GOING TO GET A CONCIERGE SERVICE DOES NOT CURRENTLY PROVIDE THEM.

UNDERSTAND? YEAH. I MEAN, THE RATIONALE BEHIND ALL OF THIS IS SOUND.

IT'S JUST THAT IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A SYSTEMIC ISSUE AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

AND THAT JUST MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE, I THINK.

NOT SOMETHING WE CAN SOLVE. IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR H.R.

MEDICAL WE CAN'T PROVIDE.

I THINK WITH PAYER MATRIX, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD.

I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, BEING BEING AGGRESSIVE AND AND TAKING THAT APPROACH.

YEAH. AND I'LL JUST PIGGYBACK ON THAT.

I THINK WE SAW THIS, THESE PRESCRIPTIONS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

THEY KIND OF ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WE SAW THESE HIT CLAIMS AND WE WERE LIKE, WHAT IS THIS? AND, YOU KNOW, MET WITH SCOTT AND SAID, WE HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING.

I MEAN, THIS IS IS THIS GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE IF THIS KEEPS HAPPENING? NOW? WE DON'T HAVE IDENTIFIERS.

I DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHO THESE EMPLOYEES OR MEMBERS ARE, BUT WE DO GET GENDER AND AGE.

AND JUST BASED ON THAT, WE WERE LIKE, THESE ARE THIS IS LONG TERM.

AND THE DIAGNOSIS THIS IS LONG TERM.

SO WE KNEW THESE THESE CLAIMS ARE GOING TO BE HITTING US FOR A LONG TIME.

SO. PLEASE GOD, FIND SOMETHING FOR ME AND I.

KUDOS TO MCGRIFF.

I MEAN, THEY WENT OUT THERE AND THEY SAID, I'M BRINGING YOU THIS COMPANY CALLED HAIR MATRIX.

AND WE MET WITH THEM.

AND I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY KIND OF.

FINGERS CROSSED THAT THIS WORKS OUT BECAUSE THE SPECIALTY MARKET IS JUST.

IT'S CRAZY. VERY AGGRESSIVE.

SO MCGRIFF HAS A GREAT REPUTATION.

I KNOW THEM ON THE PNC SIDE.

BUT LINDA, ONE THING I DID WANT TO KNOW TOO, AND MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF MCGRIFF DOES ADVISING ON THAT OR FOR WITH HTML BUT COMPARE MATRIX ALSO WORK ON THE COMP SIDE OF IT.

BUT MAYBE JUST ANOTHER PLANT THAT SEED FOR ANOTHER CONVERSATION.

AND I THINK MOST OF THOSE DRUGS MAY NOT BE FALLING.

THEY'RE PROBABLY FALLING ON THE HEALTH PLAN.

INSTEAD OF THE I MEAN, WE DO HAVE SOME OF THAT GOING ON TOO.

SO JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS AND THE PRESENTATION.

WELL, I GOT SOME QUESTIONS.

THEY'RE NOT DONE. SO.

WELL YEAH. PAYER MATRIX IS AVAILABLE.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE UTILIZED REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER OPTION WE WE PICK.

CORRECT. RIGHT.

OKAY. SO AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT GOING TO IDENTIFY EMPLOYEES OR ANYTHING ELSE OF THAT NATURE BUT.

WE HAVE 3 IN 2 CHOICES THAT BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD GAVE US TO US.

YES, SIR. IT WAS ZERO LASERING FOR 3 MILLION AND CHANGE OR FOR 1.6 AND CHANGE.

WE HAD THREE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE LASERED.

RIGHT. AND INSTEAD OF $165,000 DEDUCTIBLE BEFORE THEY KICKED IN, THEN IT WOULD BE 650 FOR THOSE THREE, RIGHT? OKAY. SO WHICH IS $485,000 PER EACH ONE OF THOSE EMPLOYEES OR $1.45 MILLION.

JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IS IT 950 OR 650? IT SAYS SO.

I DIDN'T WANT TO. INDIVIDUALLY, THE THREE LASERS ARE A DIFFERENT AMOUNT.

OKAY. AND I DID NOT WANT TO SPECIFICALLY PUT THEM UP HERE JUST BECAUSE IT WAS.

EXACTLY BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT I DIDN'T WANT IT TO.

I DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY CHANCE OF ANY IDENTIFICATION WHERE IF SOMEBODY SAID, OH, HEY, I KNOW SOMETHING COST THIS, THIS OR THIS.

SO, SO MY, MY, MY QUESTIONS ARE I'M ASSUMING THAT THOSE, THE, THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE LASERED IN THE PROPOSAL WERE IDENTIFIED AS HAVING CLAIMS WHICH WOULD EXCEED OR SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THE SIX OR THE AMOUNT THAT THEY PROPOSED, BECAUSE OTHERWISE.

YES, SIR. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY WOULD DO.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A MAXIMUM EXPOSURE THE TO THE DELTA.

AND SO WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE THE PAYER MATRIX, THE DRUG USE, SINCE THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT'S DRIVING THE MAJORITY OF THE MEDICAL CLAIMS FOR THEM. WOULD THAT HELP IN THOSE PARTICULAR CASES? YES, SIR. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WHY NOT GO WITH 11% RENEWAL? BECAUSE THE MAXIMUM EXPOSURE THAT WE'D HAVE WOULD BE $100,000.

BUT WE COULD WE COULD COME OUT A WHOLE LOT BETTER OFF AS WELL.

IF WE WENT WITH A THREE EMPLOYEE LASER.

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YEAH. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

AND WE ALSO FELT LIKE THAT IF WE.

YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE TOOK THE NO LASER CONTRACT.

I'M SORRY, IT'S 950. AND.

YEAH, IF WE TOOK THE NO LASER CONTRACT, THAT ESSENTIALLY.

AND LET'S SAY WE DID GET THE OUR MAIN DRUGS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD WE WOULD SEE A DROP IN OUR CLAIMS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D SEE A DROP ON THE CLAIM SIDE AND UP TO 1.9 MILLION, BUT WE WOULD WE WOULD BE PROTECTED.

BUT THEN IF IT HITS, IT'S GOING TO LOWER WHAT THAT IS AND OFFSET THAT INCREASE.

OKAY. I WAS JUST CONCERNED WITH.

THAT ONCE WE SIGN UP FOR $3 MILLION A YEAR, IT'S GOING TO STAY AT 3 MILLION AND CONTINUE TO GO UP VERSUS A LOWER RATE.

IF WE ACCEPTED SOME LASERING AND TOOK SOME RISK THERE.

AND IF THE IN COUNCILWOMAN, IF WE THE OTHER THE OTHER DEAL WITH THE REINSURANCE MARKET AS WE SHOP AT EVERY YEAR.

SO THE REALITY IS, IS IF THESE DRUGS, IF THESE DRUGS ARE, IF THESE ARE COVERED UNDER THE MAINTENANCE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ON OUR CLAIM REPORT.

SO THE REALITY IS THEN WE GO DOWN AND WHEN WE GO OUT TO BID, THE MARKET WILL BE COMPETITIVE AGAIN.

RARELY DOES INSURANCE COST.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY ON ON JIM'S POINT, SO IS SOMEONE CAN SOMEONE BE LASERED SO TO SPEAK MID POLICY.

NO, NO. SO THEY CAN ONLY BE LASERED AT A RENEWAL, ONLY BE LASERED AT RENEWAL.

YES SIR. OKAY.

SO IT'S NOT JUST SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PREVENTING ANY ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES BEING LASERED THROUGHOUT THE POLICY.

IT'S JUST YOU'RE WE'RE MAKING SURE THERE'S NO NO ONE BEING LASERED AS WE GO FORWARD FOR WHAT WE KNOW TODAY.

RIGHT. WELL, YOU COULD EFFECTIVELY HAVE ANOTHER LASER NEXT YEAR, BUT YOU COULD NOT HAVE ANOTHER LASER THIS YEAR.

NOT NOT DURING THE POLICY, NOT DURING THE POLICY PLAN YEAR.

SO NOT ONE ONE THROUGH 1231 2024.

JUST A BIG PRICE TAG TO SWALLOW.

IT IS. YEAH, YEAH IT IS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. GIBBS OR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.

SIR, IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE THAT SLIDE.

IF THAT ONE WITH THE MONEY.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I HAVE A FEELING THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING HERE.

COUNCIL OR DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR.

MAYOR. ME? WELL, I ALREADY MADE THE POINT.

LINDA. I KNOW WE'RE DOING A LOT OF REALLY GREAT THINGS.

I WOULD JUST LIKE EVERY ROCK OVERTURNED TO SEARCH FOR ANY OTHER THING THAT WE CAN DO.

EVEN IF THERE'S A PRICE TAG ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WE CAN RUN AN ROI.

WE CAN GET THE EXPERTS AT MCGRIFF TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME CONSULTING SERVICES, HOPEFULLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, RUN US THROUGH ALL THE WHAT IFS.

AND I THINK OUR STAFF WOULD APPRECIATE IT, TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR HEALTH AND WELFARE, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF UNCOVERED LOSSES THAT THEY EXPERIENCE TO GOING THROUGH A SERIOUS INJURY.

IT'S DIFFICULT ON EVERYONE, SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP, ESPECIALLY PREVENT ANYTHING, WOULD BE GREAT.

SO IF I MAY, I WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND LINDA STOLE A LITTLE BIT OF MY THUNDER.

ONE THING I CAN ASSURE YOU IS THAT VERY EARLY ON IN THIS PROCESS, WE'RE ENGAGING MCGRIFF ON A REGULAR BASIS.

WE STARTED TO SEE THIS TREND COMING DURING THE COURSE OF THE SUMMER.

IT'S A VERY UNIQUE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S VERY UNIQUE BECAUSE SOMETIMES A WELLNESS PROGRAM CAN OFFSET SOME OF THOSE INCREASES, YOU KNOW, SETTING UP AN EMPLOYEE CLINIC OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT AND HAVING AN IMPACT.

OURS IS VERY UNIQUE AND VERY SPECIFIC.

AND SO AS THIS TREND WAS COMING OUT AND I SAW THE NUMBERS, AND AFTER I FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR, THAT'S WHEN SCOTT BROUGHT UP THE PLAYER MATRIX.

AND I JUST WANT TO INDICATE THAT'S WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP BRINGS TO THE TABLE.

I HAD NO CLUE ABOUT THIS.

I'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC, THAT HELPS US GREATLY IN THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION.

AND SO I SHARE THAT TO SAY THAT'S WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS ALL ABOUT WITH MCGRIFF.

AS WE START TO SEE THESE TRENDS, WE START COMING UP WITH SOLUTIONS SPECIFIC TO OUR SITUATION.

SO IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL SOLUTION.

BUT FOR US, THIS HELPS US OUT TREMENDOUSLY IN OUR APPROACH TO THAT.

AND SO AGAIN, WE'VE ORGANIZATIONALLY WE'VE GONE A LOT OF YEARS WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO MUCH OF ANYTHING.

WE WERE VERY BLESSED DURING A TIME FRAME WHERE WE WENT WITHOUT MAKING ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR PLAN.

NUMEROUS ORGANIZATIONS ARE DOING PREMIUM INCREASES YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.

IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT WE KIND OF HIT THIS SPOT THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO SPECIALTY DRUGS.

SO I JUST WANT TO JUST EMPHASIZE THAT THE PAYER MATRIX IS THE THE PAYOFF OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH MCGRIFF AND THEN BRINGING A SOLUTION TO THE TABLE THAT WE OTHERWISE

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PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN ABOUT, AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD A LOT TOUGHER DECISION BECAUSE TO MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL'S POINT, NO MATTER IF WE DO THE LASERS OR NO LASERS, WE CAN STILL REALIZE THE SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH PAYER MATRIX.

AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE KEY.

AND SO WE CAN OFFSET SOME OF THOSE EXPENSES.

SO THIS MIGHT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT CARRIES ON IN FUTURE YEARS.

BUT JUST KNOW AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT EACH UNIQUE SITUATION AND TRYING TO COME UP TO A SOLUTION TO ADDRESS IT, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A STABLE HEALTH FUND. THANK YOU SIR.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM K SEVEN AS WRITTEN.

SECOND. ANY DELIBERATION ON THE MOTION? THERESA, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER. DREW. AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE AND COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL AYE.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. REINSURANCE CONTRACT.

HEALTH PLAN PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

WE ARE ON A ROLL.

NUMBER EIGHT. GLENN CHESTER LIFT STATION REHABILITATION CONSTRUCTION AWARD.

[K.8. Glen Chester Lift Station Rehabilitation Construction Award - Consider approval of a Construction Agreement with Red River Construction Company for the Glen Chester Lift Station Rehabilitation project, in the amount of $1,581,300.00; and authorization for the Mayor to execute same on behalf of the Town.]

THIS IS ANOTHER DOUBLE COMMA RULE.

STAFF PRESENTATION BY MR. HUMMEL, OUR SENIOR PROJECT ENGINEER.

GOOD EVENING SIR. COULD YOU PULL THAT MICROPHONE DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT? THERE WE GO. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME.

PROBABLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN HEAR YOU.

SEE. SO I'M BLAKE HUMMEL, SENIOR PROJECT ENGINEER FOR THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND WITH OUR CIP ENGINEERING TEAM.

I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AWARD FOR THE GLENN CHESTER LIFT STATION REHABILITATION PROJECT.

SO FOR THIS JOB, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

THE GLEN CHESTER LIFT STATION REHABILITATION PROJECT IS GOING TO PROVIDE IMPROVEMENTS TO A PREEXISTING LIFT STATION THAT WAS INSTALLED WITH THE WOODLAKE ESTATES SUBDIVISION BACK IN 1992.

PART OF SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING SUBMERSIBLE PUMPS.

THE VALVING, THE ANTENNA, GENERATOR CONTROLLER AND SKATER CONTROLS WILL ALSO BE UPGRADING THE ODOR CONTROL UNIT.

IN THIS LIFT STATION, WE'LL BE PROVIDING A SHADE COVERING FOR THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, RECONFIGURING THE EMERGENCY BYPASS TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE, DOING SOME STRUCTURAL CODING TO THE WET WELL, AND THEN SOME MISCELLANEOUS FENCE REMOVAL, REPLACEMENT, GATE REPLACEMENT, AND SOME OTHER SMALLER SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS MAP IS REALLY JUST TO ILLUSTRATE THE LOCATION.

SO DOWN AT THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE SCREEN HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE, WHERE QUEEN MARY DRIVE AND GLEN CHESTER MEET IS WHERE THE EXISTING LIFT STATION IS LOCATED.

AND THIS AERIAL IS JUST TO ILLUSTRATE THE EXISTING SANITARY SEWER IN THE AREA.

THIS LIFT STATION SERVES SERVICES THE DEVELOPMENTS TO THE NORTH, EAST AND SOUTH.

ALL THAT FLOW GETS ROUTED TO THIS LIFT STATION.

AND THIS MAP IS REALLY JUST TO ILLUSTRATE.

IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO DOWN WITH THIS LIFT STATION, THE TOWN WOULD BE MOBILIZING PUMPS TO PUMP THE SANITARY SEWER THROUGH THE DISCHARGE PIPING THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE, THAT GOES UP THROUGH CANONGATE DRIVE, ABERDEEN, AND DISCHARGES EAST OF 2499 JUST NORTH OF ABERDEEN.

SO THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE REALLY TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT EFFORT.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO IN IF SOMETHING WERE TO FAIL WITHIN THIS LIFT STATION.

AS PART OF THE DESIGN, WE DID A FULL SITE ASSESSMENT OF THIS LIFT STATION, AND I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO INCLUDE THESE PHOTOS JUST TO CONVEY SOME OF THE CONDITION OF THE IN-GROUND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE WERE SEEING AS PART OF THAT EVALUATION.

SO JUST STARTING AT THE TOP LEFT, THAT'S ACTUALLY LOOKING DOWN INTO THE WET.

WELL, YOU CAN'T SEE THE PUMPS.

THEY'RE SUBMERGED RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DISCHARGE PIPING COMING UP.

AND THAT IS SEVERELY CORRODED ALONG WITH SOME OF THE WET WELL ITSELF IS SEEING SOME CORROSION AND INFILTRATION THAT WE WOULD BE TACKLING WITH THIS PROJECT TO GET THAT FIXED AND LINE THE WET WELL AND REDO THE PIPING WITHIN THAT WET WELL SYSTEM.

THE NEXT PHOTO TO THE RIGHT IS JUST EXTERNALLY LOOKING AT THE LIFT STATION.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE OLDER FENCING WE'D BE REMOVING REPLACING THAT, AND WITH THAT WE WOULD BE REASSESSING THE GATE OPENING MECHANISM.

RIGHT NOW IT'S A SWING OPEN GATE.

IT TAKES UP A LOT OF THE INTERNAL SPACE WITHIN THAT LIFT STATION.

WHEN THOSE GATES ARE OPEN, THEY CAN'T FULLY SWING OPEN ALL THE WAY JUST BECAUSE OF THE EMERGENCY SIGNAL AND SOME ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMERS THAT ARE IN THE SITE.

SO WE WOULD BE PROPOSING TO INSTALL A SLIDING ROLLING GATE.

IT WOULD STILL BE A SOLID WOOD GATE, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST TO MAXIMIZE SOME OF THE SPACE WITHIN THIS LIFT STATION.

FURTHER TO THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE EXISTING DISCHARGE VALVES SHOWING SOME MODERATE SIGNS OF CORROSION THROUGH THERE.

THOSE ARE CRITICAL. IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN, THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE OPERATIONAL.

SO WE COULD CONNECT TO THE EMERGENCY BYPASS TO HANDLE THE FLOWS THAT ARE GETTING DISCHARGED TO THIS LIFT STATION AND THEN GOING TO THE BOTTOM LEFT.

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THAT'S ACTUALLY INSIDE THE WET.

WELL, A LOT OF THOSE OUTLET PIPES, THERE'S TWO COMING OUT INTO THE VALVE VAULT AND THE DISCHARGE LINE, THEY'RE SHOWING PRETTY SEVERE SIGNS OF CORROSION THAT NEED TO GET TAKEN CARE OF.

SO THOSE WOULD GET REPLACED WITH STAINLESS STEEL COMPONENTS.

ALL NEW WITH WITH THIS PROPOSED PROJECT.

AND THEN THE LAST TWO PHOTOS ARE REALLY LOOKING DOWN INTO THE VALVE VAULT.

SO THE PIPES COMING OUT OF THE WET WELL COME INTO HERE, CONVERGE.

AND THAT'S THE DISCHARGE LINE THAT GOES UP TO 24.99, LIKE I'D MENTIONED.

AND PRETTY MUCH MOST OF THESE COMPONENTS THROUGH HERE ARE SHOWING MODERATE TO SEVERE SIGNS OF CORROSION JUST DUE TO MOISTURE BUILDUP.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE REMOVING THAT VALVE VAULT, THOSE COMPONENTS REPLACING THAT.

AND THE LAST PHOTO ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT.

IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL FROM THE TOP DOWN PHOTO.

BUT THOSE COMPONENTS ARE ACTUALLY LIFTED WITHIN THAT VAULT.

AND THAT BOTTOM RIGHT PHOTO KIND OF ILLUSTRATES HOW SEVERE SOME OF THE CORROSION IS ON THE PIPE SUPPORTS AT THE MOMENT.

SO THOSE WOULD ALL GET REPLACED WITH STAINLESS STEEL COMPONENTS AS WELL.

SO WE PUT ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER, GOT PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS OUT TO BID.

WE HAD OUR BID OPENING OCTOBER 24TH.

WE HAD THREE BIDDERS.

THE LOWEST QUALIFIED BIDDER WAS RED RIVER CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.

THEY CAME IN AT $1,581,300, WITH THE FOLLOWING TWO RESPONSIVE BIDDERS COMING IN AT JUST OVER 1.9 MILLION AND JUST OVER 2 MILLION.

LIKE ON THAT ON THE BID TAB.

WHAT? WHAT DO YOU THINK THE DELTA IS FOR? NEARLY $400,000 DIFFERENCE? DID WE MAKE SURE THEY DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING? WELL, SO THAT DIFFERENCE IS ACTUALLY THAT WE ADDED WITH THE CIP AMENDMENT IS TO COVER THE INCREASE IN COSTS THAT WE WERE SEEING.

SO THE TOWN'S ASSESSMENT AND OUR ENGINEER'S ASSESSMENT REALLY DID NOT ANTICIPATE THESE PRICES THAT CAME IN.

SO THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS ARE JUST KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE BOARD AS FAR AS INCREASE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO COVER SOME OF THESE COMPONENTS.

SO THAT BEGS THE QUESTION, WHAT DID WE ANTICIPATE THE COST TO BE? WE WERE AT 1.4 FOR WHAT WE HAD, SO IT WAS CLOSE, BUT NOT ENOUGH.

BUT THE MAYOR'S POINT. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT TWO OF THEM ARE VERY SIMILAR? AROUND 2 MILLION. AND THEN THIS ONE IS SO MUCH LOWER? WELL, I KNOW I CAN'T GO INTO TOO MUCH ON THE BIDDING THERE, BUT THE ONE OF THE BIDDERS HAD ANSWERED OR ASKED SOME QUESTIONS AFTER THE CUT OFF. SO I THINK A LOT OF THAT, THAT HIGHER BID WAS REALLY PADDING THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR QUESTIONS IN ON TIME.

BUT SOME OF THE SPREAD THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN PRETTY WIDE.

AS FAR AS THE VALUES COMING IN ON WHAT THEY'RE BIDDING AT.

BUT I KNOW ONE OF THE BIDDERS WASN'T ABLE TO PUT HIS QUESTIONS IN ON TIME, SO THEY COULDN'T GET ANSWERED WITH THE BIDDING PROCESS.

DOES RED RIVER HAVE PAST PERFORMANCE WITH THE TOWN? YEAH, WE'VE DONE WORK WITH RED RIVER, NOT RECENTLY, ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, BUT WE HAVE PERFORMED WITH RED RIVER CONSTRUCTION, AND A LOT OF THEIR REFERENCES ON PREVIOUS PROJECTS ARE VERY COMPATIBLE TO TO WHAT THIS PROJECT IS.

JUST AGAIN, JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSTANTLY AWARDING CONTRACTS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY NOT GOING TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER MOD HERE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS ASKING FOR MORE MONEY.

YES, SIR. GO AHEAD.

SO JUST GOING INTO THE PROJECT SCHEDULE, I MENTIONED THE PROJECT BID ON OCTOBER 24TH THAT WAS OPEN.

BECAUSE OF THOSE VALUES.

WE HAD TO DO THE CFP AMENDMENT ONE THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT WENT THROUGH AND ADDED THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO COVER THE CONSTRUCTION AND TESTING AWARD WITH THAT.

THAT WAS APPROVED NOVEMBER 6TH.

TONIGHT WE'RE PROPOSING THE CONSTRUCTION AWARD TO TO GET APPROVED.

AND IF THAT IS APPROVED, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AFTER THE HOLIDAYS TO ISSUE OUR NOTICE TO PROCEED.

WE WANT TO GET STARTED ON SOME OF THESE MATERIALS, SUBMITTALS AND APPROVALS, AS SOME OF THESE COMPONENTS WILL HAVE A SEVERAL MONTH LEAD TIME.

SO WE WANT TO GET THOSE STARTED SO WE CAN REALLY COVER SOME OF THAT THAT TIME UP FRONT.

AND WITH THAT WE'D BE LOOKING SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION FALL 2024 AND THEN FINAL COMPLETION LATE FALL EARLY WINTER OF 2024.

YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING, HOW DO WE HOW DO YOU ENSURE THAT THIS COMMUNITY STILL IS ADEQUATELY SERVED WHILE THIS PUMP STATION IS OFFLINE? YEAH. SO WE'LL ACTUALLY WITH THIS PROJECT, THERE'S REALLY SEVERAL LINES THAT ARE COMING IN TO THIS LIFT STATION.

WE'RE GOING TO GO UPSTREAM OF THOSE AND INSTALL BYPASS PUMPING THAT WILL GO INTO THAT FORCE MAIN.

KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO DOWN, EXCEPT THIS IS GOING TO BE EXTERNAL TO THE LIFT STATION SITE SO THEY CAN PERFORM THEIR WORK.

AND THEN ONCE THAT'S DONE, THEY'LL PULL THAT TEMPORARY BYPASS SET UP.

SO IT'LL STILL BE FLOWING TO THAT LOCATION BUT JUST BYPASSED AROUND.

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AND WITH THAT OPENED.

ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK BLAKE DID A GOOD JOB PRESENTING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.

I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM K AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. ANY DELIBERATION ON THE MOTION? THERESA. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL.

AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARTIN.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM ENGEL AYE.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER DREW.

HI. I'M NUMBER EIGHT, GLENN CHESTER LIFT STATION REHABILITATION CONSTRUCTION AWARD PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NINE.

[K.9. Consider and discuss options for the Sunrise Circl - Consider and discuss options for the Sunrise Circle wastewater connection project along with feedback received during community meetings regarding zoning, on-site septic facilities, and financial assistance (Public Comment for this item will be heard at the time opened).]

CONSIDER AND DISCUSS OPTIONS FOR THE SUNRISE CIRCLE.

LEADING US OFF THIS EVENING WILL BE MR. TOMMY DALTON. GOOD EVENING, SIR.

GOOD EVENING.

OKAY, HERE WE GO.

SO WE GOT A FEW SLIDES HERE.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STAFF THAT ARE ALSO AVAILABLE.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM AS WELL.

SO I KNOW COUNCIL IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR ANYBODY WHO'S FOLLOWING ALONG WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT TOWN.

SO THIS WEST SIDE OF TOWN OFF OF STONECREST AND IT BACKS UP TO 377.

THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

THERE IS A CLOSE UP ABOVE THIS LINE HERE IS THE ARGYLE ETJ.