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[CALL TO ORDER]
DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TONIGHT AS A TOWN, AS A COMMUNITY AND A COUNCIL AND STAFF, AND WE ASK YOU TO CONTINUE TO GUIDE AND BLESS US AND BLESS OUR TOWN AND BLESS THE WORK THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE THIS EVENING.HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THE BLESSINGS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, AND FOR THOSE STRUGGLING, WE ASK YOU TO HELP LIFT THEM UP, AND IN YOUR NAME WE SAY THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
[Item D]
WE'LL BE MOVING INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.SO JUST AS A REMINDER, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE TOWN COUNCIL REGARDING ANY ITEM ON THIS AGENDA THAT IS NOT MARKED A PUBLIC HEARING. ISSUES REGARDING DAILY ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATIONAL MATTERS SHOULD FIRST BE DEALT WITH BY CALLING OUR TOWN HALL AT (972) 874-6000 DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, YOUR TOWN COUNCIL IS RESTRICTED FROM DISCUSSING OR ACTING ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA TO SPEAK TO TOWN COUNCIL DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF OUR GREEN COMMENT FORMS TONIGHT.
SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
A TONE WILL SOUND WHEN YOU HAVE 30S LEFT AND AGAIN WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.
TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH MR. MIKE BOSWELL.
HOWEVER, BEFORE MIKE SPEAKS, MR. [INAUDIBLE] PETERSEN, YOU'VE NOTED THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK UNDER ITEM NUMBER TWO.
TODAY IS A WORK SESSION, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU'LL BE NEXT.
MR. BOSWELL GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
MIKE BOSWELL 2665 VIRGINIA PARKWAY.
I JUST WANT TO VERY QUICKLY TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS.
I'VE BEEN IN DENTON COUNTY SINCE 1993 WHEN I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS.
IN MY HISTORY, I'VE DONE EVERYTHING FROM WATER TREATMENT, WASTEWATER TREATMENT, ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS, WATER AND WASTEWATER TRANSMISSION MAINS, UTILITIES, PUBLIC PRIVATELY FUNDED AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ROADS.
SO WHEN WE DO MASTER PLANNING, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE, THE LONG TERM FUTURE OF A TOWN.
WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MUCH WE NEED TO GO CONTRACT FOR OUT OF LAKE LEWISVILLE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MUCH WE NEED TO BUILD ROADS FOR.
WE NEED TO SEE WHO WE'RE WORKING WITH IN TERMS OF OUR PARTNERS WITH TXDOT, DENTON COUNTY, ETCETERA.
THE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITIES.
IT'S CAMPO HERE, IT'S NCTCOG, AND SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE PLANNING DOCUMENTS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE TIME, RESOURCES AND MONEY TO THOSE ITEMS. I THINK IT'S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE THAT BASED ON THE RECENT LAND USE CHANGES WITH THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE REEVALUATE ROADS, I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND RIGHT SIZING THOSE ROADS AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE CORRECTLY SIZED FOR THE WIDTH AND FOR THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.
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OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE IT AND GET MORE DATA TO SUPPORT DECISIONS.YES OR NO? YOU KNOW, THE OLD JOKE USED TO BE WHY DO YOU PARK IN A DRIVEWAY AND DRIVE IN A PARKWAY? AND I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE MASTER PLAN AND PUT THEM AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU HAVE AN URBAN SECTION WHERE YOU'VE GOT A TRAVEL LANE AND THEN TWO FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO HAVE A 12 FOOT HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL NEXT TO IT.
IT'S AN INVITATION FOR DISASTER.
WITH THAT SAID, I THINK A HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT WOULD BE TO TAKE A PICTURE OF 407 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SOUTH LAKE AND TAKE A STRAIGHT EDGE AND BRING IT DOWN TO FROM STRAIGHT DOWN 407 SOUTH, AND I THINK WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS ABOUT 60,000FT SOUTH OF MARTY B'S, YOU'RE IN SOUTHLAKE TOWN CENTER, AND TO SAY THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, A BRIDGE ON LAKE GRAPEVINE, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID WHEN 2499 WENT NORTH OF LAKE LEWISVILLE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. BOSWELL. MR. PETERSON, YOU FILLED OUT A WHITE FORM, NOT ONE OF THE GREEN SPEAKING FORMS. IT'S ALSO NOT A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
IT ALSO SAYS THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, UNDER STATE LAW, INTERACT WITH YOU.
DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR THREE MINUTES? ALL RIGHT, COME ON UP. AS A REMINDER, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UNFORTUNATELY, NOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO OR WE DON'T.
WE CAN'T INTERACT. WE CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS.
WE WILL MAKE NOTES AND WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF AFTERWARDS.
DEFINITELY NOT MY FIRST TIME HERE, BUT YES, SIR, AND I APOLOGIZE.
[INAUDIBLE] PETERSON 5104 SADDLE DRIVE FLOWER MOUND, TEXAS, AND THAT FORM.
I APOLOGIZE, BUT THAT WAS ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE NOTICE.
I WAS I WAS HERE KIND OF SPECIFICALLY.
I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ROADS AND SIMILAR TO MR. BOSWELL, MY CONCERN IS MY WIFE AND I OWN A RANCH OFF SCENIC DRIVE, AND I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF AN AREA THAT'S GOT A LOT OF INTEREST HERE RECENTLY, BUT WE OWN THE RANCH JUST SOUTH OF CIRCLE R RANCH.
SO IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHERE CIRCLE R RANCH IS, IT'S JUST SOUTH OF THERE, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING DONE TO THE 100 AND SOME ACRES THAT TOWN, TOWN LAKE OR THE TOLL BROTHERS ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING TO MY EAST, AND OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING TO THE WEST, WHICH IS THE 400 AND SOME ACRES, AND I REALLY WANTED TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST FORMAT.
I CAME TO THE TRANSPORTATION ONE TALKED THERE.
I'VE TALKED SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST FORMAT WAS.
IF THE IF THE IF THE TOWN STAFF IS GOING TO REACH OUT AND SCHEDULE A MEETING TO KIND OF GO OVER WHAT OUR WANTS AND DESIRES ARE FOR THAT AREA. THE AREA IS VERY HEMMED IN BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY CHANGES WITH THE ELEVATIONS AND WITH THE MASTER PLAN REQUIRING THE ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 20FT WIDE RIGHT NOW.
THE MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR IT TO BE 26FT WIDE, PLUS TWO FIVE FOOT BIKE LANES ON EITHER SIDE.
RIGHT NOW, THE SPACE IS PROBABLY ROUGHLY EDGE OF DITCH TO EDGE OF DITCH, MAYBE 40, 45FT.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT, AND I KNOW WE CAN'T PULL THINGS UP ON THE MAP TONIGHT, BUT IF YOU GO IN THERE, THERE'S QUITE A FEW VERY OLD, VERY MATURE POST OAK TREES ON MY LAND ON OTHERS, AND WE HAVE SOME DECENT IDEAS, OR AT LEAST I DO.
I'M SOMEWHAT BIASED THAT MY IDEAS ARE DECENT, BUT WE HAVE SOME IDEAS ON HOW WE COULD MAKE IT BETTER, AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BIG PLAN, AND YOU'RE NOT JUST CONCERNED WITH ONE AREA, BUT I THINK IF YOU BROUGHT SOME FOLKS IN THAT ARE REALLY CONCERNED WITH THAT ONE AREA, THERE'S SOME DECENT COMPROMISES THAT COULD BE MADE.
I JUST WANT TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE ADVERSE EFFECTS TO OUR LAND.
I THINK THERE'S REALLY SOME EASIER WAYS TO DO IT, AND TO MIKE'S POINT, TO HAVE THE I KNOW THIS SEEMS UNBELIEVABLY SPECIFIC, BUT TO HAVE THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD WIDENED THEN TO ADD BIKE LANES BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF BIKE TRAFFIC ON SCENIC BUT THEN HAVE A 12 FOOT WIDE ADDITIONAL TO THAT 12 FOOT WIDE BIKE AND WALKING TRAIL MIGHT SEEM A LITTLE EXCESSIVE.
I DO WANT SOME THE TRAIL IN THERE BUT.
SO ANYWAYS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON. I BELIEVE MR.
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ROBERTS HANDED IN A CARD.GOOD EVENING, SIR. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
THE PROUD OWNER OF CIRCLE R RANCH.
GREW UP WORKING OUT THERE SINCE '97.
OBVIOUSLY, LIKE [INAUDIBLE] JUST MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE QUITE THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON AROUND US.
[INAUDIBLE] AND I HAVE BECOME QUITE THE PHONE CHATTERS HERE LATELY.
WE'VE GOT AN EMAIL TODAY AND FOUND OUT SOME THINGS THAT THE TOWN HAD PROPOSED WITH TOLL BROTHERS.
I THINK OUR BIGGEST STANDPOINT RIGHT NOW IS WHERE ARE WE IN THAT LOOP? WE'RE THE OLDEST BUSINESS IN FLOWER MOUND PROPERTY WAS BUILT IN 1980.
THE BUSINESS WAS STARTED IN '73.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW WERE EVEN DRAWN BY TOWN STAFF SHOW NEW ROADS COMING ALL THE WAY UP TO MY OFFICE BUILDING AND WITHIN THE SURVEYOR WHO WAS ON SITE SAID WITHIN EIGHT INCHES.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THE TOWN IS GOING IN AND GOING EMINENT DOMAIN ON THIS OR IS IT COMING FROM TOLL BROTHERS IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT, BUT I JUST WANT TO SECOND WHAT [INAUDIBLE] SAID.
I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE THERE SHOULD BE BROUGHT INTO THIS.
I DON'T LIKE FINDING OUT THROUGH SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH PARTIES INFORMATION THAT THE TOWN IS SHARING WITH OTHER PEOPLE REGARDING OUR PROPERTY, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE CARDS? WE DO JOE BERNARD.
GOOD EVENING, SIR. PLEASE REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
JOE BERNARD 10605 SUNRISE CIRCLE FLOWER MOUND, TEXAS, 76226.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY DOWN DRESSED APPEARANCE.
I HAD TO RECEIVE A TETANUS SHOT AFTER WORK TODAY AND I DID NOT HAVE TIME TO CHANGE.
SECONDLY, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL EARLIER THIS EVENING.
IT IS LOCATED WITHIN OUR DISTRICT AND SETTLEMENT.
THE WELL WE HAVE THAT SERVICES, OUR WATER HAS ACTIVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ON TOP OF IT.
THE FIRST OF WHICH BEING IN 2010 FOR TOTAL COLIFORM.
THE SECOND 2011 TOTAL COLIFORM 2011 TOTAL COLIFORM.
THE FOURTH 2014 TOTAL COLIFORM THE FIFTH 2020 TOTAL COLIFORM AND THE SIXTH 2020 TOTAL COLIFORM AND E COLI. SO THOSE ARE THE INSTANCES IN WHICH OUR WATER SYSTEM HAS TESTED POSITIVE FOR CONTAMINANTS.
I REITERATE AGAIN, THE ONLY WAY WE CAN FIX THIS ISSUE IS TO HAVE A TOWN COUNCIL APPROVE SEWAGE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OUR AREA.
WE MUST REMOVE THE SEWAGE FROM ABOVE THE WATER FOR THIS TO WORK.
SECONDLY, I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. DALTON OVER THERE. HE HAS GIVEN US MORE INFORMATION INTO THIS MATTER.
AS I SENT YOU IN YOUR EMAIL, WE'VE HAD REPORTING ISSUES FROM THE WATER ENTITY AS WELL.
SO THERE'S ONLY ONE THING SCARIER IN THE WORLD THAN HAVING SEWAGE AND OR E COLI AND OR TOTAL COLIFORM IN YOUR WATER, AND THAT IS NOT KNOWING IF YOU HAVE THESE THINGS IN YOUR WATER.
SO NOT REPORTING THIS COP OUT OF THEY FAILED TO REPORT IS WORSE THAN HAVING E COLI IN YOUR WATER BECAUSE NOW YOU DON'T KNOW. WHAT DO YOU DO? WHAT DO YOU DO WHENEVER YOUR WATER COMPANY IS FAILING TO REPORT THE RESULTS? BUT YOU HAVE ACTIVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ON TOP OF AN ACTIVE WELL.
DO YOU TELL YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR FAMILY, DON'T BRUSH YOUR TEETH WITH THE WATER? IS THAT WHAT YOU DO? DO YOU TELL YOUR CHILDREN, DON'T GO TO THE WATER HOSE.
WHAT DO YOU DO? I BEG OF YOU, I AM HERE AGAIN TO BEG.
THE TOWN'S BUDGET IS $195 MILLION A YEAR AND WE CAN FIX THIS AT 2.9.
THESE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO YOU TO FIX THE PROBLEM.
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THANK YOU, MR. BERNARD.THERESA, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE GREEN COMMENT CARDS? WE DO NOT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE STAND UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.
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WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM E, OUR WORK SESSIONS.I'M GOING TO KICK IT OVER TO OUR TOWN MANAGER, MR. CHILDERS, WHO'S GOING TO LEAD THE WAY, HOPING TO HEAR FROM ALL THE STAFF THAT HAVE A PLACARD IN FRONT OF THEM TONIGHT.
I THINK I CAN. I THINK WE CAN PULL THAT OFF TONIGHT.
MAYOR. OKAY. SO WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS FOR YOU THIS EVENING.
THE FIRST TWO HAVE TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS ISSUES.
ITEM ONE, I'M GOING TO ASK AMANDA MILLER, OUR AREA ENGINEER WITH TXDOT, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF HER JOINING US THIS EVENING AND SHE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL THINGS TXDOT HERE IN FLOWER MOUND, AND SO AGAIN, AMANDA, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US HERE TONIGHT AND SHE'LL KICK US OFF.
WELCOME, MISS MILLER. THANK YOU.
LET ME OPEN THIS PRESENTATION REAL QUICK.
OKAY. SO I HAD TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY BECAUSE.
SO THE FIRST THING I REALLY WANT TO TALK TO YOU EVERYONE ABOUT IS SAFETY.
SAFETY IS TXDOT'S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
THAT'S NOT JUST FOR THE TRAVELING PUBLIC.
THAT'S ALSO FOR OUR WORKERS THAT ARE OUT THERE, OUR STAFF, PEDESTRIANS, DRIVERS.
IT'S ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMUTERS.
SO WE HAVE TXDOT HAS THIS CAMPAIGN, IT'S CALLED HASHTAG, OR WE DO HASHTAG IN THE STREET, AND OUR GOAL IS AND OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WORKING TO REDUCE FATALITIES BY 50%, AND THE GOAL IS 2025 AND BY 2050 TO REDUCE AND HAVE NO FATALITIES ON ON ANY OF OUR ROADWAY SYSTEMS. SO EVERY TIME WE'RE WORKING ON ANY OF OUR PROJECTS, WHETHER IT'S A SAFETY SPECIFIC PROJECT, IT'S A MOBILITY JOB, IT'S A PEDESTRIAN, IT'S AN INTERSECTION JOB SAFETY IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS EVALUATE WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR PROJECTS, AND SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BEFORE I GET INTO EACH ONE OF THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
SO THE FIRST PROJECT THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS FM 1171 AND 2499.
SO THIS IS AN INTERSECTION PROJECT THAT ACTUALLY RECENTLY JUST LET IT.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IT WENT OUT TO BID AND WE HAD A CONTRACTOR WHO BID ON IT IN JUNE.
THAT CONTRACTOR IS SEMA AND IT WAS AWARDED THE PROJECT ESTIMATE WAS 845,000.
SO THE HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THIS PROJECT IS THAT IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO ADD THE WESTBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO FIX THAT DRIVEWAY THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THIS IMAGE LIKE RIGHT UP HERE, REALIGN THIS WHOLE SECTION.
SO WHILE THIS JOB LET IN JUNE, THERE'S PAPERWORK AND THINGS THAT HAVE TO GO ON THROUGH AUSTIN UNTIL IT'S OFFICIALLY AWARDED, AND SO WE EXPECT THAT NOTICE TO PROCEED WITH THE CONTRACTOR. WE EXPECT THAT WITHIN A FEW MONTHS, AND THEN JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THERE WAS A 90-DAY DELAY BUILT INTO THAT JOB ALLOWING FOR MATERIALS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO I EXPECT OUR CONTRACTOR TO GET STARTED, AND AT THE END OF THIS YEAR ON THAT PROJECT AND AT THE END OF THIS YEAR OR DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER, MAY BE EARLY NEXT YEAR, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THAT PROJECT.
SO THIS INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THEN THE NEXT JOB IS ON 11.
SO THIS PROJECT IS FROM 35 W IT'S WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY OVER WEST OF FM 156 AND WE'RE ESTIMATING CURRENTLY THIS IS $126 MILLION PROJECT AND IT'S BASICALLY TO CONSTRUCT NEW 4 TO 6 LANE DIVIDED ARTERIAL WITHIN THIS SECTION.
SO JUST KIND OF A PROJECT UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS PROJECT IS WE'VE STARTED WORKING ON ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE AND RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, AND WE ARE ALSO STARTING EARLY ENGAGEMENT WITH UTILITY RELOCATION.
UTILITY RELOCATION IS A VERY LONG PROCESS, SO WE LIKE TO START THAT AT THE VERY LEAST REACHING OUT TO THE UTILITIES THAT WE KNOW IN THE AREA, GIVING THEM A HEADS UP THAT THIS PROJECT'S COMING UP, AND THEN AS THE DESIGN PROGRESSES, WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO AVOID UTILITIES AT ALL COST, BUT ONCE WE REFINE THAT DESIGN AND WE KNOW EXACTLY SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS IN COORDINATION, WORK ON RELOCATING THOSE.
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OH, AND I SHOULD MENTION, I DO WANT TO MENTION ON THIS PROJECT, SO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED LET DATE.SO THAT'S LIKE A TARGET THAT WE'RE DOING TO MOVE TO HAVE ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY REQUIRED ACQUIRED AND TO HAVE UTILITIES OUT OF THE WAY AND OUR GOAL FOR THAT IS JANUARY OF 2026.
RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE AT IS WE ARE WAITING, WE'RE COORDINATING.
WE HAVE HAD TO COORDINATE WITH THE RAILROAD THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, BUT WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE ARE WAITING FOR THE RAILROAD TO HELP US WITH A RAIL SWITCH SO WE CAN FINISH MORE OF THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF WHERE THE EXISTING TRACK IS.
THAT SWITCH IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 10TH AND SO YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF TRACK WORK THAT'S GOING TO START TAKING PLACE NEXT WEEK IN PREPARATION FOR THAT SWITCH ON AUGUST 10TH, AND THEN BASED ON THAT DATE, WE ARE ANTICIPATING SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION.
ANOTHER 377 PROJECT IS THAT I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING QUITE A BIT EVEN PRIOR TO ME, BEING IN DENTON COUNTY IS ANOTHER 377 PROJECT AND IT'S SOUTH OF 1171 TO CRAWFORD ROAD.
THIS PROJECT IS WIDENING THE TWO LANE RURAL HIGHWAY TO A FOUR LANE DIVIDED URBAN SECTION.
WE HAVE UTILITIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY ACTIVELY OUT THERE RELOCATING, AND ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS STRETCH, THERE IS THE RAILROAD SO THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WE'VE CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.
WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO BEING DONE WITH THE EXHIBIT PART OF THAT COORDINATION WITH THE RAILROAD, BUT THERE WILL BE ONGOING COORDINATION AND CONSTRUCTION, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT 100% SET OF PLANS.
SO THOSE ARE THE PLANS THAT WE PUT OUT TO BID FOR A CONTRACTOR.
WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT THE PROJECT'S GOING TO LET, LIKE I SAID, AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR, A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THERE'S A LOT OF UTILITY RELOCATION ON THIS JOB AND SOME INCLUDED WITH THE CITY, SO OR WITH THE TOWN.
IT'S THE CITY OF ARGYLE, TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND, AND THEN THERE'S A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT UTILITY RELOCATIONS THAT WERE HAVING TO DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT WERE HAVING TO COORDINATE WITH AS WELL.
THE OTHER BIG THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT ON THIS IS I KNOW A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH THE CITY AND WITH YOU, I'M SO SORRY WITH THE TOWN AND I THINK THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2019, 2020, AND IS THE ESTHETICS WE KNOW THE ESTHETICS ON THIS PROJECT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU ALL.
YOU ALL HAVE STANDARDS THAT YOU HOLD FOR YOUR DEVELOPERS, AND SO IT'S BEEN A LOT OF THAT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING KIND OF WHAT THE TOWN'S WANTING TO, TO WORK THROUGH. SO AND WE'RE COORDINATING ON AFA.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT'S BEEN ONGOING FOR A WHILE, AND BUT YEAH, WE'RE CONTINUING THOSE MEETINGS AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THAT IN PLACE PRIOR TO THIS JOB LETTING. SO THE TOWN IS GETTING ESTHETICALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ON THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS ONE IS SOUTH OF 1171 AND IT GOES TO JAMES STREET.
SAME TYPE OF JOB RECONSTRUCTING A WIDENING AND THIS ONE IS ESTIMATED AROUND $80 MILLION.
SO THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
IT'S NOT AS FAR ALONG IN THE DESIGN STAGE IT'S IN.
WE'RE WORKING ON THE SCHEMATIC APPROVAL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE STAGE OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW ON THAT PROJECT.
THIS ONE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING BACK IN MAY, AND SO LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STARTING TO GET COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE DIFFERENT CITIES AND TOWNS THAT IT'S GOING THROUGH.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE TARGETING TO HAVE THE PLANS READY TO LET IN 2026, BUT OF COURSE THAT'S A SIMILAR IT DEPENDS ON RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, UTILITY RELOCATION AND THEN FUNDING ON IF IT'S GOING TO SHIFT ANYTHING, BUT JUST AS A REFERENCE, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR A TIME FRAME, AND THE NEXT
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PROJECT IS THE 35 W FRONTAGE ROAD PROJECT.SO THIS ONE IS GOING WE HAVE QUITE A FEW ACTUALLY FRONTAGE ROAD PROJECTS ALONG 35 W BUT THIS ONE SPECIFIC AND IS ONE OF LIKE A BREAKOUT SEGMENT. IT'S ESTIMATED AT $201 MILLION.
IT IS GOING TO CONSTRUCT FRONTAGE ROADS WITHIN THIS AREA AND IT'S GOING FROM DALE EARNHARDT WAY TO JUST SOUTH OF 35 E AND 35 W.
VERY SIMILAR TO A LOT OF THE OTHER COMMENTS.
LIKE THE OTHER PROJECTS, WE'RE PAST THE SCHEMATIC PHASE.
WE'RE WORKING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.
THEY CAN START PLANNING ACCORDINGLY, START WORKING ON DESIGN FOR RELOCATIONS AND THEN WE'RE WORKING ON THE EARLY STAGES OF DESIGNS AS WELL.
THIS ONE IS TARGETING BEING READY TO LET IN JUNE.
THE NEXT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE IS ANOTHER INTERSECTION JOB 2499 AND 407, AND THIS ONE IS ADDING QUITE A BIT MORE TURN LANES THAN THE LAST ONE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT'S ADDING THE DUAL LEFT TURN LANES AND THE EASTBOUND WESTBOUND AND THE SOUTHBOUND APPROACHES AND THEN ALSO WORKING ON ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL THROUGH LANE IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION. RIGHT NOW IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S A $2.1 MILLION PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING THIS ONE BECAUSE OF THOSE ADDITIONAL TURN LANES AND IT'S BEING WIDENED.
IT ALSO WILL HAVE AND WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT AWAY WE SENT OUT OFFERS LAST MONTH.
SO IT'S JUST LIKE I SAID, JUST STARTING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY PROCESS, BUT WE ARE PROGRESSING.
WE'VE GOT A TEAM WORKING ON [INAUDIBLE] DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, AND SO THAT IS THE PROJECT.
THAT'S THE KIND OF STATUS UPDATE ON THAT PROJECT, AND THAT IS THE LAST PROJECT THAT I HAD.
I KNOW I KIND OF WENT THROUGH THAT KIND OF FAST AND I CAN OBVIOUSLY SHARE THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
SO IF YOU WANT TO LIKE SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME DIGGING INTO THE DETAILS ON ALL OF IT, I DON'T MIND SHARING THAT EITHER, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THERE'S MY CONTACT INFORMATION OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER NOW.
I CAN EDIT IT RIGHT NOW, BUT THEN EVERYONE WOULD SEE ME, SO YOU WOULD ALL KNOW.
SO, COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MILLER WE'RE JUST HAVING IT'S A WORK SESSION, SO I'M TRYING NOT TO SAY LOOSEY GOOSEY, BUT YEAH, I'LL GO FIRST.
YEAH. THE ONE WITH THE RAIL HOLDUP.
YES. WELL, YEAH, AND I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT WAS GOING TO COMPLETE THIS YEAR.
YES. SO IT WENT IT WENT TO LIGHT IN 2019.
IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. WOULD YOU SAY THAT FOUR YEAR TIMETABLE IS ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT ON THOSE NORTHERN PORTIONS OF 377 ONCE THEY GO TO LET? SO NOT ALWAYS SO THIS PROJECT, I MEAN.
RAILROAD ADDS A UNIQUE CHALLENGE TO PROJECTS, AND BUT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, TXDOT HAS ADDED ELEMENTS TO HELP WITH ACCELERATION.
WE'VE ADDED DIFFERENT MILESTONES TO OUR PROJECTS, WHICH MEANS IF WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTING A RAMP THAT WE KNOW IS LIKE GOING TO ADD LIKE A MILE TO A COMMUNITY'S COMMUTE, THEN MAYBE WE'LL DO A MILESTONE WHERE IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE'LL PAY AN INCENTIVE FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO COME IN AND FINISH EARLIER.
WE'VE ALSO, INSTEAD OF JUST DOING LOW BID ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, ON SOME OF OUR HIGHER PROFILE PROJECTS WE NOW DO, WHERE IT'S WE CALL IT A PLUS B, MEANING THEY BID THE ITEMS AND THEN THEY ALSO BID THE TIME.
SO WE HAVE SEEN IT WHERE WE DO THAT, WHERE SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS, IF YOU TOOK OUT THE TIME, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE LOWEST BID, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IT A LITTLE BIT FASTER AS A TOTAL, THEY MAY BE THE LOWEST BID AND THEY'LL WIN THAT JOB.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO HELP ACCELERATE THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE, BECAUSE JUST IN GENERAL, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION COMING UP IN DENTON COUNTY, AND I KNOW IT'S PAINFUL EVEN I MEAN, SOMETIMES I GET FRUSTRATED AND I WORK FOR TXDOT, SO I UNDERSTAND THE PAIN.
SO THAT MIDDLE PORTION OF 377 WITH IT'S ALL, I GUESS, GOING TO BE ELEVATED BECAUSE OF THE.
YES. SO, I MEAN, THERE COULD BE LIKE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF IT THAT'S GOING TO LIKE CHANGE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL ELEVATED, THOUGH, THROUGHOUT THAT LOCATION, AND I DON'T KNOW THE TIME.
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TIMELINE ON THINKING ONCE IT GOES TO CONSTRUCTION, HOW LONG DO WE THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE? THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET EITHER.THAT SEEMS SOONER THAN WE EXPECTED, WHAT, A YEAR OR TWO AGO.
RIGHT. SO I THINK THINGS ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING FASTER THAN WE EXPECTED, AND I'M ACTUALLY OPTIMISTIC AFTER SEEING YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT I DO WANT TO GET A SENSE AS WE GO FORWARD, JUST WHEN'S IT ALL GOING TO BE DONE? WHAT WE CAN DO IS FOR SURE, LIKE AS WE GET CLOSER TO HAVING THOSE PLANS, EVEN BEFORE IT GOES OUT FOR BID FOR CONSTRUCTION, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER ANSWER.
SOME OF THEM WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY.
IF WE THINK THERE'S LIKE A UTILITY CONFLICT THAT MAY NEED A COUPLE EXTRA MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT CLOSER TO WHEN THAT JOB LET'S WE SHOULD EASILY BE ABLE TO LET YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS IS THE ROUGH TIMEFRAME OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
AT THE VERY LEAST, TELL YOU HOW LONG WE ARE ESTIMATING THE CONSTRUCTION TO TAKE.
THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH. THANK YOU.
ABSOLUTELY. RELATED TO THAT PROJECT, THE 377 PORTION FROM 1171 DOWN TO 114 AT ONE POINT.
I THINK I'D HEARD THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT PROJECT THERE WOULD BE AN EVALUATION OR PROBABLY THE ADDITION OF A FLYOVER OF THE RAILROAD CROSSING ON 1171 ALONG THAT SAME TIME.
IS THAT ON YOUR RADAR OR IS THAT STILL BEING CONSIDERED? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAD THAT ON HERE, BUT I CAN GO BACK AND I CAN DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT TO SEE BECAUSE ON THAT PROJECT, I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING THE RAILROAD DEAL ON THERE FOR THAT FLYOVER. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT, BUT I CAN FOLLOW UP AND I CAN DOUBLE CHECK.
YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, AND THEN JUST A GENERAL QUESTION.
HOW DO YOU ALL PRIORITIZE YOUR PROJECTS? THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE PRIORITIZE THEM, SO BECAUSE THERE'S JUST A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS FOR FUNDING.
SO SAFETY IS A BIG THING THAT WE DO LOOK INTO AND WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
GETTING FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT JOBS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN DENTON.
THE ONES THAT I CAN GET CLEARED THE FASTEST WITH RIGHT AWAY WITH UTILITIES, LIKE IF WE CAN BRING THOSE UP AND LET THOSE SOONER AND IT HAS THE FUNDING, WE ADVOCATE FOR THAT OFTEN. SO I THINK A LOT OF IT IS, AND THE ONE UNIQUE THING ABOUT DENTON IS WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO COME UP TO THIS OFFICE, IS THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE GROWTH IN THE AREA IS.
THE OTHER THING TOO, IS LIKE, IF YOU ALL KNOW THAT YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT COMING UP EVERY SINGLE EVERYWHERE, IT'S A LOT HARDER FOR US FIVE YEARS DOWN THE LINE WHEN IT'S ALL DEVELOPED TO COME BACK IN AND MAYBE DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THE ROADWAY.
THAT'S A VERY HARD AND IT'S A LOT MORE CHALLENGING TO DO IT THEN THAN IT WOULD BE LIKE US COMMUNICATING AND COORDINATING WHAT'S COMING UP AND KNOWING WHAT IS GOING TO BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY TXDOT IS PERFECT AT IT, BUT WE DO TRY TO ENGAGE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND I WILL SAY, EVEN ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN HERE, STAFF HAS BEEN VERY ENGAGED AND GIVING FEEDBACK ON AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO SEE IN THE PROJECT TOO. SO THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT GOOD COORDINATION WITH WITH TOWNS AND WITH CITIES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.
I WON'T MONOPOLIZE YOUR TIME, SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
YEAH. I MEAN, YOU'RE ON A ROLL, BRIAN.
IT'S A WORK SESSION, SO YOU KNOW.
LET ME GO BACK TO THE I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST ONE.
1171 AND WELL, ACTUALLY THIS ONE 2499.
OH AT THE INTERSECTION? YEAH, SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN THE, THE DRIVEWAY, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT? SO IT'S JUST SINCE WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER RIGHT TURN LANE JUST WITH THE LOCATION OF WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY IS, WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT IT.
SO IT'S JUST PART OF THE PROJECT.
YEAH. IF A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HAS AN ISSUE WITH ONE OF THESE FMS, IS IT BETTER FOR THEM TO REACH OUT TO OUR TOWN STAFF OR TO REACH OUT TO TXDOT DIRECTLY? THEY CAN REACH OUT TO US DIRECTLY.
SO IF IT'S ON A TEXT ROADWAY WE DON'T MIND FIELDING THOSE CALLS, BUT THE OTHER GOOD THING, THOUGH,
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KIND OF TO YOUR YOUR QUESTION WAS, IS IF SOMEBODY HAS A CONCERN ABOUT AN FM ROAD AND IT'S NOT JUST A POTHOLE OR STRIPING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU MAY WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE THAT'LL HELP FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION, AND THIS IS OUR HIGH PRIORITY.I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S NOT A REALLY GOOD ANSWER, BUT WE DON'T MIND.
OUR PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO REACH OUT TO YOU.
ABSOLUTELY. OR POSSIBLY GO THROUGH OUR STAFF IF.
HAS OUR STAFF BEEN ABLE TO HELP YOU SORT OF I DON'T KNOW.
HOW MANY OF THESE ARE 6 OR 7 HAVE THEY KIND OF HELPED YOU WITH WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE OF THESE? I MEAN, YEAH. SO LIKE WE HAVE SO SPECIFICALLY WE'LL TALK ABOUT AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD MORE CONVERSATIONS ON THE PROJECTS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER RIGHT, THAT'S COMING UP.
BUT THERE IS A LOT WHEN IF THE STAFF WILL HEAR FROM LIKE THE PUBLIC OR LOCALS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
OKAY, AND THEN 1171 OVER THE TRAIN TRACKS.
IF WE COULD GET SOME CLARITY ON EXACTLY WHOSE PLAN THAT IS.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE WITHIN ONE OF THE THAT'S AT THE VERY END OF ONE OF THE JOBS AND I CAN GET LIKE A SCREENSHOT SCHEMATIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND SHARE THAT FOR SURE. IT WOULD JUST FOLLOW UP WITH EXACTLY ON WHICH ONE THAT IT FALLS WITHIN.
YEAH, OKAY, I'LL DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP.
I'M THINKING IT'S PROBABLY IN THIS PROJECT THAT'S FURTHER ALONG, BUT I JUST I WILL NEED TO COORDINATE IT AND I WILL FOLLOW BACK UP WITH STAFF AND WE CAN GET THAT ANSWERED , AND THEN JAMES, IF WE CAN TAKE THIS OR YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE CAN WORK ON IT INDIVIDUALLY, BUT IF WE COULD GET SOME KIND OF LIKE, BOTTOM LINE UP FRONT, SIX BULLETS STATUS, WE COULD TRY TO PUSH THAT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY OR WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE LIKE ADAM SAID, I THINK IT'S BETTER NEWS THAN I THOUGHT. SO IF WE COULD SHARE A GOOD NEWS STORY, ESPECIALLY ABOUT ROADS AND TRAFFIC, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD THING FOR THE TOWN TO DO.
DULY NOTED, AND WE'LL WORK EXCUSE ME. WE'LL WORK WITH AMANDA AND HER STAFF AND PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.
YEAH, AND I'LL MAKE SURE. LIKE I SAID, I'LL SEND THIS, I MEAN, I WILL FIX THOSE "TOWNS." JUST FIND AND REPLACE THOSE.
ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT ONCE WE PUT THAT OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC THAT WELL, I ALSO MAY EDIT THE LAST SLIDE THAT GIVES MY SPECIFIC NUMBER OUT TO IT.
IT MAY JUST BE THE OFFICE'S NUMBER AND THEN THEY CAN FILTER IT THROUGH ME.
PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA, BUT IF WE COULD GET SOME YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGES AND A LOT OF THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS, BUT GUESSTIMATED DATES.
THAT'S THE NEXT THING THAT THE PUBLIC'S GOING TO WANT.
THEY'RE ALL NOT GOING TO HAVE ONE, BUT SOME OF THEM DEFINITELY WILL.
SO I WILL INCLUDE THAT ON THERE.
SO THAT MAY HELP ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS TOO, BUT I WILL ADD THAT ON HERE BEFORE I SHARE IT.
THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.
YEP. EXCELLENT. YEAH, NO PROBLEM AT ALL.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MISS MILLER. WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO COME IN AND SEE US.
BY THE WAY, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO COME UPDATE US ON THESE THINGS.
YES, ANYTIME YOU ALL NEED AN UPDATE, DEFINITELY DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT, AND I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
JAMES, WHAT ARE WE DOING NEXT? ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT GEARS TO TOWN SPECIFIC, AND THIS ITEM IS IS BROAD, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS.
FIRST UP, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CLAY RIGGS, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PCI SCORES WITH OUR ROADS, AND IN THE SETUP FOR THIS, AS YOU RECALL, BACK IN THE SPRING, WE STARTED HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME OF THESE LONG TERM THINGS THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND, BE IT FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS.
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I THINK STREETS IS IN THAT SAME CATEGORY BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO STEAL TOO MUCH OF CLAY'S THUNDER, BUT A LOT OF OUR ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE WAS PUT IN THE LATE 90S, EARLY 2000S, AND IF YOU READ THE CALENDAR, WE'RE STARTING TO GET TOWARDS THE END OF THE USEFUL LIFE OF SOME OF THESE ASSETS, AND SO AGAIN, THE GREAT THING IS THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING THERE'S NO NUMBER, THERE'S NO ASK AT THE END OF IT, BUT WE JUST WANT TO EQUIP YOU ALL WITH INFORMATION TO GIVE YOU A SENSE AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN SUBSEQUENT BUDGET YEARS, AND THEY'RE GIGGLING AND LAUGHING AT ME, BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS I WANT YOU TO BE PREPARED AS WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS ABOUT STRATEGIES OF HOW WE FUND THIS CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, AND SO I THINK CLAY HAS A GOOD PRESENTATION THAT KIND OF SETS THE BASELINE ON HOW WE ASSESS THE CONDITIONS OF OUR ROADS.SO AFTER CLAY IS DONE, THEN MATT HOTELLING IS GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION AND WE HAVE AN UPDATE FOR YOU ON OUR ADAPTIVE AND THE PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK INFORMATION THAT WE GOT FROM THE PROCESS.
SO SINCE I CAN'T TALK ANYMORE, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CLAY.
THAT WAS A JOKE. YEAH, IT'S A WORK SESSION.
SO THERE YOU GO. MR. RIGGS. GOOD EVENING, SIR.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING.
COUNCIL SO, AS JAMES SAID, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR PCI SCORE AND PCI BASICALLY STANDS FOR PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX AND THAT IT'S BASICALLY JUST A SCORE OF HOW WE RATE OUR TOWN, OUR ROADWAYS IN TOWN.
SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR ROADWAY NETWORK.
FIRST OFF, WE HAVE 790 LANE MILES OR 358 CENTERLINE MILES, AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT IS A TWO LANE ROAD. YOU THINK OF IT AS WELL.
TAKE TAKE THE DISTANCE OF THAT ONE SEGMENT AND MULTIPLY IT BY TWO.
THAT'S HOW MANY SINGLE LANES YOU COULD BUILD. SO, FOR INSTANCE, WE COULD BUILD A SINGLE LANE ALL THE WAY OVER TO FLORIDA WITH THAT KIND OF DISTANCE, BUT ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS IS OUR NETWORK IS 91% CONCRETE.
SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF CONCRETE ROADWAY.
LESS THAN 10%, 9% IS ASPHALT, AND THAT'S MORE IN THE RURAL SECTIONS OF TOWN AND THEN WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DIRT AND GRAVEL, BUT THAT'S LESS THAN 1% KEEPING IT COUNTRY.
SO TO KIND OF KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA, AN OVERVIEW OF KIND OF HOW OUR NETWORK'S SPREAD OUT, HERE'S JUST AN OVERALL OVERALL STREET MAP, AND SO THIS EASTERN PORTION OF TOWN, WHICH IS KIND OF THE OLDEST PORTION OF TOWN, THIS IS OUR URBAN SECTION, CONCRETE, CURB AND GUTTER FOR THE MAJORITY, AND THEN THROUGHOUT HERE WE HAVE THE CROSS TIMBERS CONSERVATION DISTRICT. THAT'S OUR RURAL AREA.
THAT'S MORE OF OUR ASPHALT BAR DITCH RURAL SECTIONS, AND THEN OF COURSE, OUT WEST WE HAVE CANYON FALLS TRAIL WOOD, AND THAT'S ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE THREE DISTINCT AREAS OF TOWN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS WAS ESSENTIALLY THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF FLOWER MOUND, AS YOU CAN SEE, FROM 1990 TO 2010, WE PRETTY MUCH QUADRUPLED IN SIZE AND POPULATION, AND SAME THING HAPPENED WITH OUR ROADWAY NETWORK.
OKAY. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PAVEMENT ANALYSIS.
AGAIN, THE PCI IS BASICALLY A SCORE.
ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF DOING THIS, HIRING THIS CONSULTANT TO COME OUT AND DO THE ANALYSIS IS NON-BIASED IF WE SEND OUT EMPLOYEES AND STAFF TO JUST SPREAD OUT THROUGH TOWN, ONE GUY MAY SAY, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD ROAD.
I'M GOING TO SCORE IT THIS WAY.
THAT'S A GOOD ROAD. I'M GOING TO SCORE IT THIS WAY.
WE'RE USING THE DATA TO DRIVE THOSE IDEAS.
SO THE PAVEMENT CONDITION SCORE IS A COMBINATION OF BASICALLY THE SURFACE DISTRESS INDEX, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY KIND OF CRACKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT YOU WOULD SEE, AND THEN THE ROUGHNESS INDEX, AND SO THAT'S THE RIDE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO TALK ABOUT IS OUR BACKLOG, AND A BACKLOG IS ESSENTIALLY ROADS THAT ARE IN REALLY BAD SHAPE AND THEY NEED TO BE BASICALLY RECONSTRUCTED, AND SO THOSE ARE PCIS WITH A SCORE OF 40 OR LESS, AND SO AGAIN, ALL THESE SCORES JUST HELP US MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE USING THE DATA TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.
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OKAY. SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT KIND OF KIND OF A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS ITSELF.SO THEY HAVE A FLEET OF VEHICLES THAT ARE UPLOADED WITH ALL KINDS OF SENSORS AND CAMERAS.
I HAVE PICTURES OF EVERY SINGLE ROADWAY AND LIKE TEN FOOT LENGTHS, AND WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF ANALYSIS, AND SO THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHENEVER THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, HOW MANY CRACKS ARE IN THIS ROAD? HOW BAD IS IT? HOW BAD IS IT PER SQUARE FOOT? THEN THAT'S HOW THEY USE THAT TO DETERMINE THE PCI.
SO HERE'S OUR HERE'S OUR CURRENT ROADWAY NETWORK.
THE LIGHT GREEN IS GOOD, A LITTLE DARKER.
GREEN IS VERY GOOD, AND THE DARK, DARK GREEN IS EXCELLENT.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, A HUGE MAJORITY OF OUR NETWORK IS IN GOOD, VERY GOOD, EXCELLENT CONDITION.
THE FEW SPOTS THAT YOU SEE IN RED.
OKAY. SO HERE'S KIND OF WHAT WE SAW IN 2017, WE DID THIS ANALYSIS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT IN THE VERY GOOD AND EXCELLENT, AND THIS IS INDICATIVE OF COMMUNITY THAT BASICALLY DEVELOPED RAPIDLY , AND THEN YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE IT KIND OF AGE.
SO BACK IN 2017, OUR AVERAGE PCI SCORE WAS 81 AND OUR BACKLOG WAS 1.5%.
THAT'S STILL A SMALL BACKLOG, AND THEN 2023, WE'VE STARTED TO SEE THESE CATEGORIES AND THE EXCELLENT, EXTREMELY GOOD, ALMOST BRAND NEW STREETS.
THEY'RE GETTING KIND OF ROLLING OVER INTO THE VERY GOOD AND GOOD, BUT OUR BACKLOG, ALL THOSE STREETS THAT WERE REALLY BIG WE'VE ALMOST CUT THAT IN HALF. SO IN THE PAST, A LOT OF THE FOCUS HAS BEEN TENDED TOWARD THOSE STREETS THAT ARE FAILING AND REPLACING THAT, AND SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT, BUT OUR ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS WE WANT TO KEEP THESE STREETS IN IN THESE GOOD CATEGORIES AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
SO A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE ANALYSIS.
SO IF YOU WERE TO APPLY A BELL CURVE KIND OF OVER THESE CONDITION RATINGS, THAT BELL CURVE WOULD BE KIND OF BE CENTERED AROUND 80 AND AGAIN, WITH OUR AVERAGE PCI AT 70, OUR BACKLOG IS LOWER THAN 1%, WHICH MEANS THOSE ARE THOSE ROADS THAT ARE JUST HAVE TO BE RECONSTRUCTED.
FROM OUR CONSULTANT, HE WAS SAYING OUR TYPICAL BELL CURVE DISTRIBUTION FOR COMMUNITIES THAT HE SURVEYS IS USUALLY CENTERED SOMEWHERE AROUND 60 AND 70, AND THE AVERAGE OF THE OTHER AGENCIES SURVEYED FALL WITHIN 60 TO 65.
SO THEY'RE THINKING WE'RE DOING GOOD BUT WE'RE A RELATIVELY YOUNG NETWORK.
SO THE IDEA IS THIS THIS WOULD BE YOUR TYPICAL PAVEMENT CONDITION IS GOING TO DECLINE WITH PAVEMENT AGE, AND THIS IS KIND OF THE CURVE THAT WE SEE AS TO HOW THAT HAPPENS. SO YOU KIND OF ONCE IT'S NEW, IT KIND OF STAYS IN GOOD SHAPE AND THEN YOU CAN SEE A DRASTIC DROP AND THEN IT KIND OF CURVES BACK OUT BUT IF WE CAN CATCH SOME MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES HERE, WE CAN BUMP THAT SCORE BACK UP AND EXTEND THE LIFE OUT OF THIS ROADWAY, AND WE CAN WE CAN CONTINUALLY DO THAT OR DO IT AS MANY TIMES AS WE CAN BEFORE WE START SEEING THAT SUBGRADE AND BASICALLY BASE STRUCTURE FAIL TO WHERE WE END UP DOWN HERE.
SO WE CAN'T JUST MAKE EVERY ROAD LAST FOREVER.
EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT WE CAN PROLONG THE LIFE OF IT WITH OUR ACTIVITIES.
THIS IS KIND OF A REALLY BUSY ONE, BUT THE BIG TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS ONE IS, AGAIN, RIGHT THROUGH HERE IN THESE EXCELLENT GOOD CATEGORIES, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE TARGETING YOUR PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, AND SO THIS IS THINGS LIKE CRACK SEALING, JOINT SEALING, NOT A LOT OF REHAB, AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF JUST KIND OF TAKING CARE OF IT, MAYBE SOME POINT REPAIRS AND THEN YOU GET INTO THESE OTHER AREAS AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE REHAB, AND AGAIN, WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THOSE POINT REPAIRS.
WE'RE DOING MINOR PANEL REPLACEMENTS, AND ONE THING I SHOULD TALK ABOUT, TOO, I'M MAINLY TALKING ABOUT CONCRETE BECAUSE OUR NETWORK IS 90% CONCRETE ASPHALT.
YOU HAVE A LOT MORE MAINTENANCE STRATEGIES THAT YOU CAN APPLY.
SO THE REHAB WOULD BE PANEL REPLACEMENTS, EXTENSIVE PANEL REPLACEMENTS, AND THEN WE GET DOWN HERE.
THAT'S WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FULL RECONSTRUCTION.
SO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA OF SOME STRATEGIES THAT WE HAVE, THIS IS BASICALLY A ROADWAY IN FLOWER MOUND.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE CRACKED, SEALED AND THE CRACK SEAL IS FAILING AT THIS POINT.
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STARTING TO SETTLE. THIS IS ONE WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY DO SOME SLAB JACKING AND ONE OF OUR COMPANIES COMES IN AND THEY HAVE A FOAM INJECTION AND THEY FILL THE VOIDS AND CAN ACTUALLY LIFT THOSE PANELS UP, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY QUITE IT'S QUITE INTERESTING HOW PRECISE THEY CAN BE AND THEY CAN REALLY TAKE OUT THIS KIND OF ROAD BUMP OUT OF IT CONCRETE AND THEN HERE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A PANEL CRACKING.THIS IS KIND OF BAD CRACKING, BUT ONE OF THE STRATEGIES HERE WOULD BE LET'S CRACK SEAL THIS.
OKAY. SO AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE BACKLOG, THAT'S THE SCORE OF LESS THAN 40%.
HERE'S A ROAD. THIS IS ACTUALLY BLUE RIDGE TRAIL.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE HAD SOME CRACKING.
WE'VE HAD LITTLE PANEL REPLACEMENTS HERE AND HERE, AND WE STARTED SEEING SUBGRADE FILL FAILURES, AND THAT'S WHEN IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REDONE, BUT WE'RE KIND OF TAKING CARE OF A LOT OF THESE ROADS THAT ARE JUST IN THIS CONDITION WHERE THEY'RE IN THE RECONSTRUCT FILL IN PHASE, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IS KIND OF TALK ABOUT, WELL, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH OUR OTHER ROADWAYS? SO AGAIN, SOME MAINTENANCE STRATEGIES.
AGAIN, WITH THAT 40, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION, 40 TO 60.
WE'RE LOOKING AT EXTENSIVE MODERATE PANEL REPLACEMENT.
WE COULD DO A MILL AND OVERLAY ON OUR ASPHALT SECTIONS 60 TO 70.
AGAIN, THAT'S THOSE GOOD CATEGORIES.
THE WHOLE IDEA IS WE REALLY WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO SOME SAY, WHAT IS IT CALLED? I'M GLAD WE DON'T DO IT, BUT A LOT OF TIMES UP NORTH, YOU SEE ALL THAT LIKE REALLY HOT BLACK TAR THEY JUST THROW ON THE ROAD AND THEN THEY HAVE A GRAVEL TRUCK THAT JUST DUMPS THE GRAVEL ON TOP, AND THEN THEY JUST MAKE YOU DRIVE OVER IT FOR A WHILE AND THEN YOU GET ALL THE LITTLE.
WE DON'T DO THAT HERE, RIGHT? LIKE, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT.
WELL, THAT'S LIKE A CHIP SEAL.
WE DO A SLURRY SEAL, WHICH IS MORE OF JUST A SPRAY.
IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE AGGREGATE IN IT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR, BUT THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, SO.
OKAY. SO SOME OF THE NEW STRATEGIES IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, LIKE I SAID, OUR MAJORITY OF OUR NETWORK IS CONCRETE AND WE'VE KIND OF REPLACED THOSE REALLY BAD FAILING CONCRETE SECTIONS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS DOING ADDITIONAL CIP PANEL REPLACEMENT, AND SO THAT MIGHT BE WE GO INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE ALL OF THE FAILED PANELS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN ROLL BACK OUT.
YOU'RE ALSO SEEING SOME OF THAT LIKE ON ON MORRIS INSTEAD OF FULLY RECONSTRUCTING MORRIS, WE CAN REPLACE THOSE PANELS AND WE CAN EXTEND THE LIFE OF MORRIS BY TEN YEARS, 15 YEARS BY KEEPING THOSE FAILING PANELS FROM AFFECTING OTHER ADJACENT PANELS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN ALSO DO IS WE CAN DO MUCH MORE ON OUR JOINT AND CRACK SEALING.
IF YOU'VE SEEN THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING ON GARDEN RIDGE, BECAUSE OF OUR LIMITATIONS, THE CONTRACTOR IS DOING THE CONCRETE POURING, BUT WE HAVE OUR STAFF ACTUALLY GO IN AND DOING ALL THE SAW CUT AND PANEL REPLACEMENT.
SO WHAT WE WOULD TRADITIONALLY PAY THEM TO DO, WE'RE DOING THAT PART OF IT.
SO WE'RE DOING ABOUT HALF OF THAT PART, AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS THIS YEAH, ULTRA THIN ASPHALT OVERLAY, AND I WAS EXTREMELY SKEPTICAL OF THIS WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT, AND BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AN ADVANTAGE OF IT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS CONCRETE REPAIRS TYPICALLY REQUIRE REMOVING THE ENTIRE SECTIONS OF THE ROADWAYS.
THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS IF YOU HAVE A ROADWAY WITH A GOOD STRUCTURAL SUBBASE, YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND YOU CAN SEAL IT UP AND THEN YOU CAN COME OVER WITH THIS ULTRA THIN ASPHALT OVERLAY AND ESSENTIALLY SEAL OFF THE ENTIRE ROADWAY AND EXTEND THAT ROADWAY ADDITIONAL TEN YEARS AND SO PLANO HAS BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2017, AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH IT.
I, I WAS REALLY SKEPTICAL OF IT, AND I ACTUALLY WENT TO SCHOOL WITH THEIR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
SO I CALLED HIM UP AND I WAS LIKE, ARE YOU REALLY DOING THIS? AND HE SAID, YES, AND HE'S ACTUALLY QUITE EXCITED ABOUT IT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW THERE IS KIND OF A A LITTLE BIT OF A TABOO THERE OF CONCRETE'S REALLY NICE ASPHALT, NOT SO NICE AND SO KIND OF WONDERING HOW HOW THAT WOULD GO.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A POTENTIAL PILOT PROGRAM IN THE VINEYARD SUBDIVISION.
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SO THIS IS OUT WEST IN OUR RURAL SECTION.WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SO BASICALLY WE HAVE BORDEAUX CIRCLE, WHICH IS IN THE 73, WHICH IS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, AND THEN WE HAVE BORDEAUX WAY COMING IN, WHICH IS AT 56.
SO WE COULD ESSENTIALLY COME IN HERE DO DO ALL THE REPAIRS THAT WE NEED, COME IN WITH ASPHALT OVERLAY AND BRING THIS BACK UP TO A MUCH BETTER SCORE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THIS IS KIND OF LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SECTIONS YOU CAN SEE CRACKING.
THE CONCRETE IS JUST WEARING OUT, BUT WHAT WE'RE NOT SEEING IS WE'RE NOT SEEING THOSE SUBGRADE FAILURES, AND SO THIS THIS WOULD BE A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THE FIRST THING WE WOULD WANT TO DO IS HOLD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, EXPLAIN EXACTLY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING, AND THEN, OF COURSE, COME BACK AND DO THE REPAIRS.
THE IDEA IS THIS WOULD SEAL UP THE ENTIRE SECTION, AND THEN IF THIS ASPHALT, IT WILL EVENTUALLY START SPALLING OFF AND MILLING OFF AND YOU CAN JUST COME AND JUST MILL IT RIGHT OFF AND REAPPLY, AND SO THAT'S WHAT MY COUNTERPART AND PLANO HAS BEEN SAYING.
SO AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A TEXT SPECIFICATION TOO.
WITH THE ASPHALT REPAIR, IS THERE ANY CONCERN WITH ABSORBING MORE HEAT AND INCREASING THE TEMPERATURE OF THE AREA? LIKE A HEAT ISLAND EFFECT? I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A BIG CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
SO JUST THINKING ABOUT SF5 OR SF10 ZONING WHERE THEY'RE MUCH CLOSER TO THE ROADWAY, WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF THE SURFACE TEMPERATURE MIGHT INCREASE COOLING COSTS.
YES. SO JUST SOMETHING I WAS ACTUALLY READING AN ARTICLE ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK.
WHEN PEOPLE COME AND VISIT ME FROM OUT OF STATE, THEY ASK ME TWO QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST ONE IS WHY ARE YOUR SIGNALS SIDEWAYS? AND THE SECOND ONE IS WHY ARE ALL YOUR ROADS WHITE INSTEAD OF BLACK? SO WHY DO WE USE CONCRETE INSTEAD OF ASPHALT? OKAY, SO CONCRETE HAS A LONGER DESIGN LIFE AND IT'S MORE DURABLE.
SO SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'S LESS MAINTENANCE INTENSIVE AND IT'S GOING TO LAST LONGER, WHEREAS ASPHALT IS YOU CAN MAKE ASPHALT LAST LONGER, BUT IT'S EXTREMELY MAINTENANCE INTENSIVE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMING OUT AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT SLURRY SEALING AFTER 3 TO 5 YEARS AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING THE OVERLAY AND THEN YOU CAN DO A MILL AND OVERLAY AND YOU CAN DO SEVERAL THINGS TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF ASPHALT OUT BEFORE IT'S JUST A COMPLETE RECONSTRUCT.
THE ONLY THING WITH THAT IS A LOT OF YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF BAD ASPHALT ROADS AND THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T STAYING ON TOP OF THE MAINTENANCE, AND IT'S A CONTINUAL THING, WHEREAS CONCRETE, IT'S JUST GOOD AND DURABLE AND PARTICULARLY AT THE TIME THAT THIS WENT IN, CONCRETE AND ASPHALT WERE VERY COMPARABLE IN COST.
AS I RECALL THAT WE HAD AN F1 RACE OUT HERE IN LIKE THE 80S AND THERE WAS LIKE IT WAS SO HOT THAT THE ROADS LIKE FAILED, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE ASPHALT MELTED OR SOMETHING.
IS THAT IS THIS SUMMER LIKE WE'RE HAVING NOW.
IS THAT A PROBLEM WITH THIS ASPHALT LAYER THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING ON THE ROAD? IS IT ANY CONCERN AT ALL WITH THE HEAT AND THE CONDITIONS IN TEXAS? SO FAR, THE PLACES I'VE HEARD IT APPLIED HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE.
OKAY, SO HOW THE ROAD'S BEING USED IS JUST A MUCH A FACTOR.
SO IS THAT WOULD WE THEN SAY WE'D LIMIT THIS TO MORE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE STREETS.
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS STILL LINED UP WITH THE ROAD WHEN WE PUT THIS LAYER ON TOP? SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES.
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SO WHENEVER YOU COME BACK IN WITH YOUR ASPHALT, IT'S JUST NICE AND LEVEL.WHAT ABOUT MANHOLE COVERS? SO THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED AT THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH.
UP HERE, THOUGH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MANHOLES.
THERE'S ALL SEPTIC SYSTEMS, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO VALVE ADJUSTMENTS.
OKAY. SO MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
IF THE NEIGHBORS DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT IT, WHAT HAPPENS? WE DON'T DO IT. OKAY.
SO HAVING GROWN UP IN AN AREA WHERE ASPHALT WAS IT, IT WAS EVERYTHING.
I'M GOING TO SAY I LOVE CONCRETE HERE.
IT JUST FEELS SO MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL ASPHALT.
I THINK THAT MAKES IT MORE VULNERABLE AND THEN IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE ARE SIDEWALKS.
SO YOU'RE WALKING ON IT, YOUR DOG'S WALKING ON IT.
IT'S HOT IN THE SUMMER, ESPECIALLY LIKE THIS.
I ALSO AM REALLY NOT THAT MUCH OF A FAN.
I APPRECIATE THE COST SAVINGS AND I LOVE THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO BE MORE ECONOMICAL, BUT I THINK OVERALL, AND MAYBE WE COULD GET MORE INFORMATION FROM PLANO, BUT THE AMOUNT OF UPKEEP THAT'S NECESSARY AND HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS AS GOOD THAT'S WHY I BRING I WAS BRINGING IT HERE.
I WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK, BUT SO THE LONG TERM EXPENSE, THE UPKEEP, THE ESTHETICS, I MEAN WE HEARD EVEN TXDOT, WHICH WAS NICE TALKING ABOUT ESTHETICS, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE KNOWN FOR HERE.
UNDERSTOOD. SO WITH THE THREE ONLY A THREE QUARTER INCH OVERLAY, THOUGH, IT'S NOT GOING TO MOVE AS MUCH AS A FULL ASPHALT ROAD BECAUSE AND THAT'S CORRECT, AND IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL ASPHALT BECAUSE THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN I WAS TALKING TO MY COUNTERPART IN PLANO, I WAS LIKE, THERE'S NO WAY THIS IS GOING TO LAST, BUT IT'S A MUCH DENSER ASPHALT AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A TXDOT [INAUDIBLE].
SO WHERE IS IT THAT WE CAN GO LOOK AT IT LOCALLY IN PLANO? I MEAN, JUST THEY'VE DONE PRESTON ROAD.
PRESTON THEY'VE DONE THEY'VE DONE LIKE 8 OR 10 ROADS SO FAR.
OKAY, AND THEY'RE MAJOR ARTERIALS.
THEY'RE FOUR LANE SIX LANE ROADS AND I DO WANT TO SEE IT AND SOMEWHERE IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IN IRVING WHILE I WAS THERE THEY DID THIS TO MACARTHUR BOULEVARD, SAME THING, CONCRETE STREETS WITH THE ASPHALT OVERLAY SO DIFFERENT THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON DIFFERENT SECTIONS, BUT IF YOU COME IN ON THE COPPELL SIDE FROM BELTLINE AND KIND OF HEAD UP, YOU CAN KIND OF GET A SENSE THERE ALONG MACARTHUR BOULEVARD OF SIMILAR CONCEPT.
THANKS, AND HE HAD, MY COUNTERPART TOO HE HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS AND HE SAID ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY THE FEEDBACK THEY GOT BACK WAS HOW MUCH SMOOTHER THE RIDE WAS BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE CONCRETE PANEL SHIFTING AND YOU JUST KIND OF GO AND SMOOTH IT OUT, BUT UNTIL IT GETS A POTHOLE AND THEN FORGET ABOUT IT.
SO IS THIS LIKE A FREE TRIAL THING? THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO COME OUT AND SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S COMING OUT OF ROAD MAINTENANCE, LIKE REGULAR ROAD MAINTENANCE.
WE'RE NOT BUYING EQUIPMENT TO DO THIS, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO SUBCONTRACT IT OUT OR.
THERE YOU GO, AND THAT USUALLY KILLS THE CONVERSATION.
DEFINITELY DOES IT REQUIRE THE STRIPING FRIENDS AND FAMILY DISCOUNT BECAUSE CONCRETE IS NOT.
DOES THE ASPHALT HAVE TO BE STRIPED? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE STRIPED ACCORDING TO OUR IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF IT WAS ASPHALT OR CONCRETE BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT IS NOT.
SO THEN IT WOULDN'T BE FOR ASPHALT EITHER.
RIGHT. OKAY. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE COST BENEFIT, TOO, AND HOW MANY TIMES WE CAN REDO THIS.
YEAH, I CAN DEFINITELY PUT TOGETHER SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU.
YEAH. OH, AND THE TIME FRAME FOR THE NEIGHBORS ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PILOT, AND THEN HOW DO THEY MANEUVER? DO YOU DO ONE SIDE? AND WHAT IF YOUR DRIVEWAY IS ON THAT SIDE? LIKE, HOW DOES THAT IMPEDE PEOPLE GETTING IN AND OUT OF THEIR HOMES? SO THIS IS ACTUALLY MUCH LESS IMPACTFUL TO THE RESIDENTS THAN, SAY, WE TEAR OUT THE CONCRETE AND JUST DO A FULL RECONSTRUCTION SO ESSENTIALLY THEY CAN LAY IT AND WITHIN HOURS THEY CAN BE BACK ON IT.
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ANYONE ELSE. IS IT TIME FOR MR. HOTELLING? MR. CHILDERS. ARE WE TRANSITIONING? YES, AND SO GOOD JOB, CLAY.THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL BRING MATT UP, AND JUST FOR BACKGROUND, FOR THOSE WATCHING IN ATTENDANCE, LAST BUDGET YEAR, WE APPROVED SOME FUNDS OUT OF FUND BALANCE TO DO A PILOT PROGRAM OF ADAPTIVE SIGNALING ALONG THE MORSE CORRIDOR FROM [INAUDIBLE] SEVEN.
TO HELP ME OUT, MATT DOWN TO [INAUDIBLE] LAKESIDE, [INAUDIBLE] LAKESIDE, AND SO WE'VE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME OF THAT PRELIMINARY DATA AND WE'LL SHARE IT WITH YOU AND JUST OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW WE CAN POTENTIALLY PROCEED.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MATT.
GOOD EVENING, SIR. GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR ALLOWING ME TO GIVE THIS UPDATE ON ADAPTIVE SIGNAL TIMING.
THIS IS KIND OF THE OVERVIEW OF WHEN I GO THROUGH KIND OF THE PRESENTATION.
I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE TRADITIONAL VERSUS ADAPTIVE.
I THINK SOME FOLKS ALREADY KNOW.
I KNOW MY FORMER COMMISSIONERS FROM THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION HAVE ALREADY HEARD THAT BEFORE.
SO BUT I KIND OF WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF SOME OF THE LESSONS WE'VE LEARNED THROUGH THIS PROCESS, KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT TIMELINE OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE ADAPTIVE AND THEN GET INTO SOME OF THE AT LEAST THESE PRELIMINARY RESULTS, WHAT WE THINK THE NEXT STEPS ARE, AND THEN SOME OF THE FUTURE ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN ADAPTIVE SYSTEMS. I KNOW THIS IS VERY BUSY, BUT BASICALLY ON THE LEFT IS THE TRADITIONAL SIGNAL TIMING.
WE DO IT IN-HOUSE. WE RUN SIMULATIONS.
IT STAYS OUT THERE FOR 3 TO 4 YEARS.
WE TWEAK IT THROUGHOUT THOSE 3 TO 4 YEARS AND THEN WE START THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH TRADITIONAL IS YOU CAN COORDINATE MULTIPLE CORRIDORS AT ONE TIME AND IT'S SUSCEPTIBLE TO PREEMPTIONS AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS THAT KIND OF MESS WITH THE COORDINATION.
NOW, ON THE ADAPTIVE SIGNAL TIMING SIDE OF IT, IT DOES NEED A BASE TIMING PLAN.
SO IT NEEDS SOMEWHERE TO START.
NOW, WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH THIS ONE HERE IS IT CHANGES AT LEAST THE TIMES THAT IT GIVES THE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS OR WHAT WE CALL SPLITS ABOUT EVERY 5 TO 10 MINUTES.
SO IT DOES CHANGE IT FAIRLY OFTEN, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO HAVE A CLEAN CYCLE TO DO IT.
SO IT CAN'T BE A PREEMPT, IT CAN'T BE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
SO IT HAS TO BE EVERY INTERSECTION IN A GROUP.
THAT'S HOW IT KNOWS WHEN PEOPLE ARE WHERE AND HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN SITTING THERE.
SO THAT'S HOW IT USES AND WHAT IT USES.
IT USES THAT PREVIOUS CYCLES TO TRY TO CHANGE IT TO WHAT IT THINKS IT NEEDS.
SO SOMETIMES, LIKE ESPECIALLY AROUND SCHOOLS, IT CAN GET FLOODED REAL QUICK.
SO THAT PREVIOUS TIMING PLAN BEFORE IT CHANGES MAY NOT BE ENOUGH AT FIRST, AND YOU'RE HOPING THAT IT CHANGES FAST ENOUGH TO START CATCHING UP WITH THAT NEW TRAFFIC, AND THAT'S WHERE IT IT CAN ADAPT THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
WE DO THE SAME THING WITH THE ADAPTIVE.
IT GETS NEW PLANS FROM 6:30 TO 9 AND THEN IT'LL CHANGE AND THEN IT ACTUALLY CHANGES AT 9:05.
SO, THERE'S A FIVE MINUTE PERIOD IN THERE THAT IT'LL RUN TRAFFIC ACTUATED SO IT CAN TRANSITION INTO THAT NEW ONE, BUT THEN IT RUNS UNTIL THE AFTERNOON AND THEN THE AFTERNOON ONE RUNS UNTIL 7:00.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN GET CAUGHT IN IS A SHORT TIMING PLAN, LIKE THAT CASE WITH THE SCHOOL WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN IT GETS SHORT BUT THEN IF THERE'S TIMES WHERE MAYBE THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS AROUND IT GET PREEMPTS OR GETS PEDESTRIANS, IT COULD GET CAUGHT IN THAT SHORT, THAT SHORT TIMING PLAN , AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE A REAL HARD TIME CATCHING UP WITH THE THOSE PLANS THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN GETS GET SLAMMED AT THE INTERSECTION.
NOW, THIS ONE'S ALSO SUSCEPTIBLE TO PREEMPTS.
PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS DOES THE SAME THING.
SO IT GOES OUT TO THE SERVERS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE USE AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT RUN IN THE ALGORITHMS IN THE BACKGROUND AND IT SENDS IT BACK TO US AND THEN IT GETS SENT OUT TO THE INTERSECTIONS.
SO IF WE HAVE THAT CONNECTION FAILURE, THAT'S JUST ONE.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN IT MUCH.
WE'VE SEEN IT A COUPLE TIMES, BUT IT CAN HAPPEN.
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NOW SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THE OF THE ADAPTIVE PLAN, IT CAN CREATE MORE EFFICIENT TIMING PLANS.THE IDEA OF AN ADAPTIVE SYSTEM IS IT DOES ALLOW FOR SOME FEWER STOPS THROUGH THE SYSTEM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY LIKE AND THAT'S WHY I'VE BOLDED IT, IS THAT THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEM ESPECIALLY SINCE WE PUT IN A NEW DETECTION SYSTEM IN THERE IT GIVES US A LOT OF BIG DATA, IT GIVES US A LOT OF ANALYSIS.
WE CAN LOOK AT THINGS, WE CAN LOOK AT IT, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY TWEAK THE SYSTEM BETTER.
SO THAT MADE IT TOUGHER ON US TO MAKE SURE THINGS WERE FLOWING BETTER.
SOME OF THE LESSONS THAT WE DID LEARN IS WHEN WE ORIGINALLY FIRST PUT THIS IN, THAT WE CREATED ONE LARGE SYSTEM NETWORK THAT DID NOT WORK BECAUSE, LIKE WE SAID, LIKE WHETHER IT'S NEAR MARCUS OR WHETHER IT'S NEAR FORESTWOOD OR ANY OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS OR ANYWHERE NEAR A TRAIL WHERE YOU HAD A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, THAT ONE INTERSECTION COULD CAUSE THE OTHER 12 NOT TO CHANGE.
SO WE WERE SEEING WHEN WE FIRST PUT IT IN IT WAS ADAPTING ABOUT ONCE EVERY 15 MINUTES.
15 SOMETIMES IN SOME CASES 20 MINUTES.
THAT'S A VERY LONG TIME IN THE LIFE CYCLE OF AN ADAPTIVE SYSTEM.
SO WE KNEW THAT WAS NOT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS WORKING.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT THROUGH, AND BASICALLY PUT THEM INTO SEGMENTS BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LINEAR SEGMENTS.
ALL THE SIGNALS [INAUDIBLE] 1171 RIVERWALK, 1171 AND MORRIS, AND THEN DOWN AT THE SOUTHERN END, WE HAVE A COUPLE ON GARDEN RIDGE, AND THEN OF COURSE, [INAUDIBLE].
SO FOR IT TO BE LINEAR, WHEN WE BROKE IT UP, EVEN BEFORE WE BROKE IT UP INTO SEGMENTS, SOME OF THESE OUTLIERS WERE KIND OF JUST THAT THEY WERE OUTLIERS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T IN THAT STRAIGHT LINE SYSTEM.
SO BY BREAKING IT UP INTO THESE SEGMENTS, WE NOTICED THAT WHEN WE DID IT.
THAT THINGS STARTED CHANGING FASTER.
THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GETTING THAT 4 OR 5, OCCASIONALLY UP TO TEN MINUTES CHANGES, BUT THAT HAPPENED A LOT FASTER, AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ANALYTICS, IT TOLD US THAT WE ACTUALLY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION BECAUSE WE COULD SEE THAT PEOPLE WERE PROGRESSING THROUGH OR NOT STOPPING ON RED AS OFTEN AND IT WAS CHANGING FASTER.
SO THAT ENDED UP BEING ONE OF OUR BIG LESSONS LEARNED THAT WE COULDN'T RUN IT AS ONE BIG CORRIDOR.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ENGINEERS FOR VENDOR THAT'S RUNNING IT IS THEY'RE LOOKING AT WORKING ON A CROSS CORRIDOR, COORDINATION WITH THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEM.
SO THE SYSTEM DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LINEAR ANYMORE.
WE JUST HAVE TO TELL IT WHICH ONE WE WANT IT TO GIVE THE PRIORITY TO.
THEN YOU CAN MAKE YOU CAN MAKE THE SYSTEM RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY THAT WAY.
NOW, WE DID LOOK AT ONE LOCATION WHERE IT WAS OUTSIDE THIS CORRIDOR.
WE GOT WITH OUR VENDOR. WE LOOKED AT ANOTHER LOCATION THAT WAS OVER CAPACITY, AND THAT DIDN'T WORK.
THERE WAS AT ONE POINT, ONE DAY WE GOT A CALL THAT TOLD US THAT WE HAD A TWO MILE BACKUP.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF OUR LESSONS LEARNED THAT WE'VE LEARNED AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS.
SO THERE WAS SOME STUFF THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO START INSTALLING IN NOVEMBER.
SO WE STARTED THE INSTALLATION PIECE OF IT PRETTY QUICK.
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JUST SOME LITTLE QUICK NUMBERS.WE ALMOST 21,000 LINEAR FEET OF CABLE HAD TO GO IN.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S THOSE GUYS PULLING ALMOST FOUR MILES OF CABLE.
SO THEY THEY DID A THEY DID A LOT OF WORK.
OF COURSE, THERE WAS 18 INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE TOTAL IN THE SYSTEM.
WE HAD TO PUT UP 50 ADVANCED CAMERAS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE OUT THERE BEFORE.
SO IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE GUYS IN THE BUCKET TRUCKS, THAT'S A LOT OF UP AND DOWN IN THOSE TRUCKS, AND JUST KIND OF THE ESTIMATED TIME WE KNEW WE PROBABLY PUT IN CLOSE TO 3000 HOURS OF COMBINED.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF GOING WENT INTO IT TO GET IT GOING.
SO WE FINALLY FINISHED GETTING ALL THIS STUFF INSTALLED.
IT WAS PROBABLY TOWARDS THE MIDDLE TO LATE JANUARY, AND THEN WE DECIDED TO USE.
IT LASTED FOR ABOUT THREE WEEKS OR SO.
IT STARTED IN THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY AND WE ENDED IT BEFORE SPRING BREAK.
SO I WAS LIKE DID IT REALLY NEED A LEARNING PHASE? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT, BUT WE DID END IT BEFORE SPRING BREAK, AND THEN WE DID TURN ON THE ADAPTIVE AFTER SPRING BREAK AT THE END OF MARCH.
SO AGAIN, WE HAD IT AS ONE LARGE SYSTEM DIDN'T WORK.
WE KNEW THAT DIDN'T WORK, SO WE SPLIT IT UP.
SO IT DOESN'T THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEM DOES NOT RUN ON THE WEEKENDS.
WE SPLIT IT UP INTO THE THREE SEGMENTS.
WE CALL IT NORTH, CENTRAL AND SOUTH TO MAKE IT EASY.
NORTH IS BASICALLY NORTH OF 1171.
CENTRAL IS BETWEEN 1171 AND 3040, AND THEN THE SOUTH SYSTEM IS SOUTH OF 3040.
NOW, WE DID CHANGE, ONE OF THE SETTINGS THAT YOU CAN CHANGE INSIDE THE SYSTEM IS YOU CAN GIVE IT A WEIGHTED PRIORITY FOR WHICH DIRECTION YOU WANT IT TO COORDINATE AND WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY SET UP, IT WAS SET UP TO BE EQUALLY WEIGHTED.
SO INSTEAD OF GIVING ONE DIRECTION OF PRIORITY, IT WAS NOT SET UP THAT WAY.
SO WE CHANGED THAT TO GIVE A SOUTHBOUND THE PRIORITY IN THE MORNING AND NORTHBOUND IN THE EVENING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU DO WITH A TRADITIONAL TIMING PLAN, AND THEN AFTER SCHOOL LET OUT, WE CREATED NEW BASE PLANS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN GET WITH THE ANALYTICS CAMERAS, WE CAN GET CONTINUOUS TURNING MOVEMENT COUNTS.
SO USING THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE NEW BASE PLANS AND HAVE NEW NEW SETTINGS FOR THE SUMMER, AND THEN WHEN WE GET BACK HERE IN TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS, WHEN SCHOOL GOES BACK IN, WE'LL WE'LL REEVALUATE AND WE'LL PROBABLY GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLANS WE HAD SET UP IN IN APRIL.
SO WHEN COMPARING THE FEBRUARY 2023 TO THE MAY 2023 DATA, I KNOW IT'S NOT A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND WE WERE DOING LOTS OF TWEAKS IN THERE. SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE TRULY 100% DONE AND DOING ALL OF OUR TWEAKS.
WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE SCHOOL, WE'LL START LOOKING AT IT AGAIN, BUT AGAIN, WHAT I CALL IS OUR ACTIVE PERIOD IS THAT 6:30 TO 9 OR 1900, SO 7:00 AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT TIME PERIOD, WE HAD A VOLUME INCREASE THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM OF 6.6%.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT OVER THE WHOLE SYSTEM, IT'S ABOUT 560 MORE PER INTERSECTION, MORE VEHICLES, AND THEN 350 IN THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION. OKAY.
SOME OF THE OTHER RESULTS THAT WE HAD IS IN GENERAL, THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN THE ARRIVAL ON GREEN ARRIVAL ON GREEN IS ONE OF THOSE DATA POINTS THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF THE SYSTEM, BUT SO IN GENERAL, THERE WAS A THERE WAS AN ARRIVAL ON GREEN, SO MORE PEOPLE WERE NOT STOPPING, BUT TYPICALLY WHEN WE WHEN WE WENT TO THAT WEIGHTED SYSTEM WHERE WE WENT SOUTHBOUND AND NORTHBOUND, INSTEAD OF THE EQUAL WEIGHTING, YOU'RE GOING TO KIND OF THAT ARRIVAL ON GREEN FOR THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
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LESS OF A BENEFIT IN SOME CASES HAD INCREASES ON ARRIVAL ON RED BECAUSE OF THAT WEIGHTED DISTRIBUTION.NOW, OVERALL FOR THE WHOLE CORRIDOR, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU ADD UP ALL THE STATISTICS, THERE WAS ABOUT 7400 MORE VEHICLES THAT MADE IT THROUGH ON THAT ARRIVED AT AN INTERSECTION ON GREEN.
SO OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO DECREASE IN CARS ARRIVING ON RED.
SO WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE SYSTEM, WENT THROUGH EVERY INTERSECTION AND NOT EVERY INTERSECTION HAD A DECREASE IN ARRIVAL ON RED, BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE OVERALL SYSTEM, WE HAD ABOUT 11,400 FEWER PEOPLE STOPPING ON RED.
SO AGAIN, BUT WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU HAVE BETTER ARRIVAL ON GREEN AND LESS ARRIVAL ON RED ON THE MAIN STREET, YOU TYPICALLY HAVE INCREASED SIDE STREET DELAY.
IF YOU'RE GIVEN MORE TIME, YOU CAN TRY TO MAKE IT AS EFFICIENT AS YOU CAN, BUT IF AT SOME POINT, IF YOU MAKE IT AS EFFICIENT AS YOU CAN AND YOU STILL BE ON THAT POINT, YOU GIVE MORE ARRIVAL ON GREEN, THAT MEANS THE SIDE STREET HAS TO WAIT LONGER.
SO AGAIN, I MENTIONED BEFORE THE TRAVEL TIMES, IF YOU WENT THROUGH THE SEGMENTS, THE SOUTH CENTRAL AND THEN THE NORTH BETWEEN THOSE SEGMENTS, YOU ACTUALLY SHOWED THAT YOU BASICALLY HAD A BETTER TRAVEL TIME, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA THAT SHOWS YOU FROM JARROW AND LAKESIDE GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO 407 AND MORRIS.
THEY'RE VERY, VERY, VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
THE NEW ONE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT FASTER, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT WAS.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL ALWAYS KEEP DOING.
NOW WE'LL PROBABLY DO IT MORE OFTEN THAN THAT 3 TO 4 YEAR CYCLE THAT WE USED TO DO WITH TRADITIONAL.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IS THE POTENTIAL OF EXPLORING OTHER CORRIDORS FOR ADAPTIVE SYSTEMS. IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT THAT, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL DO AS PART OF OUR NORMAL MAINTENANCE IS THERE'S A CIP PROJECT THAT'S ON IT'S BEEN IN THE CIP FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW IS OUR DETECTION REHAB, AND SO AS OUR OLD VIDEO DETECTION CAMERAS ARE SOME OF OUR RADAR DETECTION CAMERAS AS SOME OF THOSE GET TO THEIR THEIR USEFUL LIFE WE WILL REPLACE THOSE WITH A NEW ANALYTICS CAMERA.
THEY MAY NOT BE A PART OF AN ADAPTIVE SYSTEM, BUT WE DO FEEL THAT THOSE CAMERAS, WHETHER IT'S AN ADAPTIVE SYSTEM OR NOT, ALLOWS US TO BETTER SERVE THOSE INTERSECTIONS. SO AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY THAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.
THE TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC NETWORK SYSTEMS USED TO RUN REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SLOW.
THERE WAS IT WASN'T MAYBE DECADE AND A HALF AGO THAT THE CONTROLLERS IN THE IN THE SIGNAL BOX USED TO RUN ON A 16MHZ COMPUTER SYSTEM.
I HAD TO DO WAS CHANGE RED TO GREEN, AND THERE WASN'T ANYTHING ELSE IT NEEDED TO DO, AND NOW YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF DUAL CPUS AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE INSIDE THE CABINET, INSIDE THAT CONTROLLER.
SO WE KNOW THAT TECHNOLOGY IS MOVING FASTER, AND A LOT OF THE DETECTION SYSTEMS NOW IN THE AND EVEN THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEMS NOW ARE BECOMING CONTROLLER AGNOSTIC.
THERE'S AT ONE POINT IN TIME WHERE YOU HAD TO HAVE THIS DETECTOR WITH THIS SYSTEM FOR IT TO WORK AND NOW THEY'RE THEY'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE MORE AGNOSTIC TO EACH OTHER.
I THINK THAT'S BETTER FOR EVERYBODY IN THE END.
THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT CROSS CORRIDOR.
I KNOW THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT RUNNING A PILOT DOWN IN LAKE CITY.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPE.
I THINK IF THAT GOES IN, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE SYSTEM RUN MORE EFFICIENT.
THE OTHER ONE IS, OF COURSE, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
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THERE'S A LOT OF DETECTION SYSTEMS. DAVID STALLINGS, MY OPERATIONS MANAGER.WHETHER IT'S THE DETECTION SYSTEM, WHETHER IT'S THE CONTROLLER SYSTEM.
THIS [INAUDIBLE] CONTROLLER WITH THE AI BEING ABLE TO TALK TO THE NEXT ONE DOWN THE STREET, AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF VEHICLE AND IT'S STARTING TO ROLL PRETTY FAST, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO WHAT IT USED TO BE.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS.
THIS IS THIS IS PRETTY LEADING EDGE.
THE REGION'S HAVING A MEETING HERE NEXT MONTH AND THEY'VE ASKED ME TO COME TALK ABOUT IT.
SO I KNOW THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE IT.
THANK YOU, MATT. SO I GOT SOME QUESTIONS.
SO I PURPOSELY TOOK [INAUDIBLE] AND MORRIS TODAY COMING UP FROM 24 TO 99, KNOWING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT. SO I MADE IT THROUGH THE LIGHT AT LAKESIDE AND MADE IT THROUGH A LIGHT [INAUDIBLE].
THE LIGHT WAS RED WHEN I ARRIVED AT FLOWER MOUND ROAD.
IT WAS RED WHEN WE GOT TO FOREST VISTA, SO EVERYBODY STOPPED IN THAT LANE, CONTINUED ON, AND I ARRIVED ON RED AT GARDEN, BUT IT TURNED WITHIN A MATTER OF A COUPLE OF SECONDS, AND I WAS ABOUT THE FOURTH CAR IN LINE IN MY LANE.
WE GOT CAUGHT AT FIREWHEEL BY THE LIGHT AND WENT THROUGH SAGEBRUSH ON MY WAY TO TOWN HALL HERE.
IT WAS PROBABLY, I'M GOING TO SAY 140ISH OR SO SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA.
IT DIDN'T HAVE PRIORITY, I DON'T THINK.
NORTHBOUND, SOUTHBOUND, WE WOULD HAVE IN THE MID-DAY, WE WOULD HAVE MADE IT.
WE WOULD HAVE KEPT WE KEPT IT EQUAL.
OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF FIGURED.
SO I WAS JUST A LITTLE SURPRISED BECAUSE I HAVE GONE UP THAT AREA OR MORRIS NORTHBOUND FROM THERE AND GONE PRETTY MUCH SAILING RIGHT ON THROUGH.
SO IT'S KIND OF A MIXED BAG RESULTS THAT I GOT OUT OF TODAY.
THE OTHER THING IS YOU MENTIONED THE SIDE STREET DELAYS.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THERE'S LIKE EIGHT CARS IN LINE.
THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN, WE GET FOUR THROUGH AND YOU GET A RED LIGHT.
THE LAST FOUR CARS ARE STUCK FOR THE NEXT LIGHT CYCLE.
AS LONG AND YOU WAIT A LONG CYCLE.
IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THE SYSTEM TO TWEAK THAT? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO AT.
WE HAVEN'T DONE IT THERE YET, BUT WE'VE DONE IT.
I GIVE ONE CASE SPECIFIC CASE IS THE WESTBOUND LEFT TO GO ON 3040 TO GO SOUTH ON [INAUDIBLE]? YEAH. THE SYSTEM.
THE SYSTEM LOVES TO MAKE THOSE LEFT TURNS SHORTER AND SHORTER AND SHORTER.
IT'LL IT'LL EVENTUALLY INCREASE THEM BACK, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IT LOVES TO DO IS MAKE THOSE SHORTER, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID TO MAKE ESPECIALLY THAT ONE THERE BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS MAKING IT TOO SHORT AND IT WAS NOT CATCHING UP FAST ENOUGH.
THERE'S A SETTING IN THERE THAT WE CAN GIVE GUARANTEED TIME.
IF IT DOESN'T GET ALL USED, IT WON'T USE IT.
BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT DOESN'T ALLOW IT TO NECESSARILY SHRINK BELOW THAT ONE CERTAIN SPOT.
NOW, IF IT DOESN'T USE IT, IT'S STILL JUST LIKE THE OLD TRADITIONAL SYSTEMS. IT'LL GIVE ALL THAT TIME BACK TO THE COORDINATED PHASE.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD LOOK AT DOING THERE JUST TO GIVE IT A GUARANTEED TIME.
OKAY, AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION, YOU SAID ADVANCES ON AI ARE COMING.
SO IT GIVES US THAT INFORMATION.
I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THERE ARE DOWN THE ROAD GOING TO BE BIGGER BENEFITS TO HAVING AN ADAPTIVE SYSTEM ONCE? AI IS INTEGRATED MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
I'M SURE. I'M SURE THERE WILL BE.
HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT IS AND.
SOME OF IT DEPENDS ON HOW FAR ONTO THE EDGE OF THE TECHNOLOGY DO WE DO WE WANT TO BE.
THERE ARE SOME SYSTEMS OUT THERE.
I WANT TO SAY THEY'RE ACTUALLY BASED OUT OF ISRAEL THAT'S RUNNING.
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THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES HERE IN THE METROPLEX THAT HAS THEIR SYSTEM, AND SO HERE IN THE HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, OUR PLAN IS TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT THOSE SYSTEMS AND SEE HOW THOSE ARE RUNNING.OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD OR WE TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A BACK APPROACH FROM IN A SHORT TERM BASIS TO SEE HOW THAT AI THING DOES.
IF WE GET MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK THAT WAY POTENTIALLY IN THE LONG RUN.
MY OPINION. YOUR YOUR OPINION.
MY OPINION WOULD BE THAT I THINK IN THE SHORT TERM THAT WE CAN IF WE CAN GET THE ANALYTICS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE SIGNALS RUN AND WE CAN LOOK AT THEM AND GET THE DATA SO WE CAN MAKE THE EXISTING ONES RUN BETTER.
I THINK WE WOULD BE I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT US.
POTENTIALLY DELAYING A LITTLE BIT WHILE THAT RAPID ACCELERATION.
LET THEM GET SOME OF THE BUGS OUT BEFORE WE.
WE'RE NOT THE GUINEA PIGS OF THE SYSTEM.
SO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE GOT IMPROVE THAT AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT.
OUR SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY NOW IS THE BACKUP, AND IT STILL WORKS.
YES. WHAT IT DOES IS IF IT DOESN'T GET COMMUNICATIONS, I FORGET THE ACTUAL TIME FRAME, IT'LL IT'LL DEFAULT TO A TO A BASE PLAN, AND ONE THING I DIDN'T REALIZE IS THAT IT'S NOT RUNNING 24/7.
IS THAT PRESUMABLY BECAUSE DURING THOSE OTHER TIMES IT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY, THERE WOULD BE NO ADVANTAGE? THAT'S CORRECT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GETTING MAYBE RIGHT AT 7:00, YOU MAY BE STILL SOME BENEFIT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE GETTING TO THE EIGHT, NINE, TEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, THERE'S SUCH LITTLE TRAFFIC GOING EACH DIRECTION.
IT WOULD CAUSE WHAT COUNCILMAN ENGEL SAID THERE AT [INAUDIBLE].
IT WOULD CAUSE SOMEONE TO SIT THERE AND SIT THERE AND SIT THERE.
I HAVE ACTUALLY NOTICED THAT A LITTLE BIT ON THE CROSS STREETS BECAUSE I'M ON MORRIS ALL THE TIME, GOING EVERYWHERE PRACTICALLY, AND I'VE NOTICED THAT THE CYCLES ARE SHORT AND I'VE SAT AT SOME OF THOSE CROSS INTERSECTIONS AND 1 OR 2 CARS GETS THROUGH.
RIGHT. WHAT IT IS, IS THE SYSTEM, THE TWO PREVIOUS CYCLES, IT MAY NOT HAVE SEEN ANYBODY THERE.
OKAY. SO THAT TOTALLY GETS RID OF ANY LIKE CURRENT TIME PERCEPTION OF WHAT'S THERE.
NOW, WHAT NEEDS TO GET THROUGH IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T KNOW THAT.
IS THAT AN ITERATION FOR THE FUTURE WHERE IT CAN BE MORE REACTIVE IN A SHORT TERM? I'M SURE WHEN WHEN LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE I IT WOULD COUNT THEM.
IT WOULD JUST. SO YOU THINK OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. WELL THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
THERE'S SOME SYSTEMS OUT THERE.
WE LOOKED AT ONE KIND OF CLAY SAYING, HEY, CAN YOU COME DO IT FOR FREE? AND THEY DID NOT.
DEFINITELY DIDN'T THEY GO, IT'S CHEAPER THAN ADDING A LANE.
I WAS LIKE, WELL, OKAY, WELL, THAT'S A LITTLE TOO MUCH, BUT IT'S DECENTRALIZED.
SO THEN ONE INTERSECTION STARTS TALKING TO WHAT'S AROUND IT.
OKAY, COOL. WHEN DO WE GET THAT? THEY ASKED. THEY Y ASKED FOR FOUR INTERSECTIONS FOR $100,000.
OF OUR CURRENT SYSTEM, OR CAN WE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND PUT IT IN TO ANOTHER? THIS WAS A THIS WAS FOR ANOTHER LOCATION.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT THAT IF WE DID WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH THAT? WELL, THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE ONES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TO SEE HOW WELL IT WORKED IN THAT OVERCAPACITY SITUATION.
SO WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT 407, 2499 AREA TO SEE IF IT WOULD HELP, BUT THE EXISTING SYSTEM ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 407, THOUGH, JUST THE EASTBOUND SIDE BUT THIS IS WHERE OUR EXISTING SYSTEM, IT GAVE VERY UNPREDICTABLE TIMING PLANS BECAUSE IT COULD NEVER FIGURE OUT WHERE TO MOVE TIME TO AND FROM.
SO IT LOOKS AT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE WHEN IT'S READ, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT CHART, IT RAMPS UP AT 6-6:15 AND THEN JUST STAYS ACROSS 100% ALL DAY LONG AND THEN DROPS OFF.
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SO THEN IT DIDN'T KNOW.IT DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO WHERE TO MOVE TIME AROUND.
SO THEN THAT'S WHEN WE ENDED UP WITH THE PHONE CALL THAT SAID THAT THERE WAS A TWO MILE BACKUP.
IT JUST FAILED TO KNOW WHERE TO MOVE TIME.
IS THERE ANY BENEFIT ON THE SHOULDER HOURS LIKE IN BETWEEN THOSE PEAKS JUST TO KIND OF MAYBE ADD SOME BENEFIT AND MAYBE HAVE PEOPLE SHIFT SOME OF THEIR DRIVING PATTERNS PERHAPS TO WHEN THERE'S A LITTLE LESS TRAFFIC? WOULD THERE BE ANY POINT TO THAT AT ALL? I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD WANT US TO DO IT FOR THE PEAK HOUR.
SURE. I THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY TIMES IF IT DOESN'T DO LIKE 407 AND 2499 WHERE IT JUST PEAKS OUT AND STAYS 100% ALL DAY LONG, WHERE THE SYSTEM CAN CAN ACTUALLY MOVE TIME AROUND.
SO YOU BROUGHT UP THAT PUTTING THIS EQUIPMENT ON THOSE INTERSECTIONS MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU SO MUCH DATA TO ACT ON, NOT NECESSARILY HAVING THE AI PORTION OF IT, THE ADAPTIVE PORTION OF IT, IF THE INTERSECTIONS ARE TOTALLY SATURATED ANYWAY.
SO I'M JUST THINKING LIKE AS WE PLAN THIS OUT, NEXT STEPS DO WE NOT EVEN BOTHER WITH A 2499 OR DO WE TRY TO SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK ON A 2499 AS WELL DOWN THE ROAD? MY ONLY HESITATION IS THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE NOW.
IF WHAT HAPPENS AT 2499 AND IN 407, IF IT WOULD HAPPEN AGAIN AT 2499 AND 1171 OR HAPPEN AGAIN AT 2499 AND 3040, AND IF THOSE HAPPEN, IF WE HAVE IT IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S GREAT, BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO FORCE THEM INTO THOSE VERY BAD SITUATIONS.
THAT'S MY CONCERN. YEAH, AND I THINK THAT I AGREE THAT WE NEED MORE TIME, AND SO TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WAS ASKING, DO WE HAVE A DIALOG GOING ON WITH THE VENDOR RIGHT NOW? SO THESE LESSONS YOU'VE LEARNED, ARE YOU GIVING THEM THAT FEEDBACK SO THAT THEY CAN RELEASE THOSE ITERATIONS AND OH YES, WE, I THINK THEY SOMETIMES I THINK THEY GET TIRED FROM HEARING FROM US.
GOOD THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR, AND THEY'RE VERY RESPONSIVE.
WE WILL SEND IN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NOTICED OR SOMETHING THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE DIFFERENT AND THEY RESPOND BACK REALLY [INAUDIBLE].
I LIKE TO GROW THE SYSTEM, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN IT BEFORE I WANT TO PUSH IT OUT TO THOSE EVEN MORE HIGH PROFILE INTERSECTIONS, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE COST BENEFIT BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 6.6% INCREASE IN TRIPS THROUGH MORRIS AS OPPOSED TO X NUMBER OF DOLLARS, INCLUDING MAINTENANCE, AND THEN THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING I ACTUALLY WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ON ONE OF THE SLIDES HAD THE NUMBER OF LINEAR FEET OF CABLE THAT YOU HAD TO INSTALL AND THEN YOU HAD TO UNINSTALL ALL.
IT'S WELL, IT'S THE DETECTION SYSTEM IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SIGNAL CONTROLLERS, BUT THE OLD DETECTION SYSTEM CABLING WASN'T COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEW DETECTION SYSTEM.
GOTCHA. SO I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT I DROVE NORTHBOUND ON MORRIS YESTERDAY.
515 PEAK HIT EVERY LIGHT GREEN.
IT WAS PRETTY ASTONISHING, HONESTLY, AND I'VE HAD A FEW EXPERIENCES LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM MENTIONED AS WELL, BUT I DID WANT TO SAY THAT I'M NOT WATCHING MY STOPWATCH WHEN I'M GOING DOWN. MORRIS BUT I AM DEFINITELY WHEN I HIT EVERY LIGHT RED, THAT'S REALLY WHAT GETS MY TEMPERATURE UP.
SO ONCE YOU'RE IN THE CORRIDOR BETWEEN THOSE MAJOR ARTERIALS AND I THINK YOU'RE WISE TO SEGMENT THEM, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY EXPECTS TO HIT 1171 AND 3040 GREEN, BUT IF YOU GET INTO THE CORRIDOR AND YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH STOPPING AND STARTING, I THINK THAT MAKES FOR A GOOD EXPERIENCE.
IT'S ALSO A LOT MORE EFFICIENT TO NOT BE STOPPING AND STARTING SO MUCH.
SO THOSE THAT REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF REDS I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD BENEFIT.
YEAH, THAT SOUTH SYSTEM INCLUDES 3040.
SO THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES YOU HIT FOREST VISTA RED BECAUSE THEY COULD BE THEY COULD HAVE ADAPTED DIFFERENT TIMES, DIFFERENT CYCLES, DIFFERENT SPLITS, AND SO YOU'RE NOT GUARANTEED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT TO FOREST VISIT AT THE SAME TIME EVERY TIME.
MATT SO TWO THINGS. SAGEBRUSH I TRAVEL IT EVERY DAY, RIGHT? COMING OUT OF WELLINGTON TONIGHT, I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING TONIGHT OPPOSITE WHEN I GOT TO SAGEBRUSH AND MORRIS, I ARRIVED ON GREEN. IT WAS A MIRACLE.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS, LIKE, WERE WATCHING THE VIDEOS OR ANYTHING AND TWEAKED THAT LIKE YOU DID WITH ADAM AND THE FACIAL RECOGNITION TO TURN THEM ALL GREEN, BUT BUT THE SHORT THE SHORTNESS, I WAS GOING TO SAY SAGEBRUSH SAGEBRUSH LEFT TO NORTHBOUND MORRIS WAS I DIDN'T WANT TO GET PULLED OVER BUT IT WAS LIKE TWO CARS EVERY TIME I COME TO TOWN HALL, RIGHT? SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS MANUALLY OR AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTED, AND THEN ACTUALLY I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE
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ADAPTIVE LIGHTS AND STUFF, BUT ALONG SAGEBRUSH, IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN I PULL UP BY FLOWER MOUND HIGH SCHOOL, IT KNOWS MY TRUCK'S THERE AND THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN.SO IT DOESN'T HAVE A COORDINATED PLAN THAT RUNS ALL DAY LONG.
SO IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO SIT AND SO ON ONE STREET BEFORE IT CAN SWITCH OVER TO THE OTHER.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK I'M HEARING IS GOOD, BUT I WOULD ALSO THINK THAT IF WHAT I'M HEARING IS MAYBE THE NEXT STEP ISN'T TO BRING IT ON 2499, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE UNITS, BECAUSE I THOUGHT INITIALLY THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IS THEY WERE GOING TO BE TALKING TO EACH OTHER, AND THEN SO I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER, IF NOT TONIGHT WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS, RIGHT? DO WE KEEP IT ON MORRIS? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE WE'RE ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN MORRIS NOW, WHICH WAS PHASED IN.
I'D LIKE TO SEE. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
WE TALKED A BIT ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS ON 2499 VERSUS GOING TO ADAPTIVE.
DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER WHAT WE THINK IS A GOOD PLAN IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR 2499? THAT'S WHERE WE LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT GETTING THE ANALYTICS.
SO IF WE DECIDE TO IMPLEMENT, THEN IT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO THAT'S A GREAT NEXT STEP, RIGHT? CORRECT. ONCE YOU HAVE THAT DETECTION SYSTEM, THE SIGNAL CONTROLLER IS ALREADY IN THERE.
THEY'RE ALREADY IN OUR CENTRAL SYSTEM.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF SWITCHING THEM OVER TO THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEM AT THAT POINT.
DO YOU THINK IF YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAD THAT DATA, YOU COULD PROGRAM IT WITH THE REAL TIME DATA THAT IT WILL GET SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE CYCLE FOR THE 5 OR 10 MINUTE DELAY.
DO YOU THINK JUST USING THE DETECTION SYSTEM, THE NEW DETECTION SYSTEMS AND NOT THE ADAPTIVE AT THIS POINT AND WAITING FOR AI TO MATURE? DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD GIVE US A BENEFIT OR DO YOU THINK WE NEED THE ADAPTIVE ON TOP OF THE NEW DETECTION SYSTEMS TO HELP? I THINK WE GET A DEFINITE BENEFIT BY EVEN JUST HAVING THE ANALYTICS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ADAPTIVE.
SO IF I CAN CHIME IN HERE AND TIFFANY AND I WERE RACING TO SEE WHO CAN HIT OUR BUTTON FIRST.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING TO POINT OUT IS THAT YOU LOOK AT THAT 6.6% INCREASE AND IT DOESN'T REALLY JUMP OUT AT YOU, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO KIND OF PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK.
THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF THE GREAT WORK THAT WE ALREADY DO AT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IN A LOT OF CASES, IF A COMMUNITY GOES A DECADE WITHOUT MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR TIMING ON THEIR SIGNALS, THEN ADAPTIVE WILL CREATE A BIG GAIN FOR IT BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FAR BEHIND.
THE FACT THAT WE STAY SO MUCH ON TOP OF OUR TIMING AND OUR SIGNALS, IT DOESN'T CREATE A LOT OF GAP FOR IT TO REALLY GROW A WHOLE, WHOLE LOT, AND SO, MAYOR, YOUR EXPERIENCE AND WHAT YOU REFERENCED, BRIAN, IS MORE REFLECTIVE OF THE GREAT WORK WE ALREADY DO.
SO WE'RE ALREADY IN A GREAT POSITION, AND THAT'S JUST REFLECTIVE OF WHAT MATT AND HIS TEAM.
SO WE'RE ALREADY IN A GREAT POSITION.
SO THAT ADAPTIVE KIND OF HELPED US SCOOCH UP ABOUT 6% OR SO, AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE THING.
I DON'T WANT TO GET LOST IN THIS.
WE WERE ALREADY DOING A GREAT JOB ON THIS AND IT'S HELPED US GROW A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE, AND WHEN THEY WERE WALKING ME THROUGH THIS AND HELPING ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS HAPPENING, BECAUSE WE'RE SO GOOD, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM TO GROW, AND SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A GOOD SYSTEM AND THAT'S WHY I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT THOSE NEXT STEPS OF GETTING THAT ADDITIONAL DATA.
WE'RE GOING TO STILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE GREAT RESULTS FOR OUR COMMUTERS HERE IN TOWN, BUT AGAIN, WE GOT TO PULL OUR SHOULDERS OUT, PATTING OURSELVES ON THE BACK BECAUSE THEY DO A GREAT JOB, AND THAT WAS EXACTLY MY POINT IS, IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE EQUIP THIS TEAM THAT'S DOING A GREAT JOB WITH DATA THAT YOU GET UPDATED EVERY SO OFTEN, AND NOW WE HAVE THE BETTER DETECTION SYSTEM TO GIVE YOU MORE REAL TIME DATA.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS COULD MAKE CLOSE THAT GAP WITHOUT RELYING ON THE ADAPTIVE FOR THE TIME BEING.
WE WOULD DEFINITELY RETIME THEM FASTER THAN EVERY 3 TO 4 YEARS.
SO THAT'S GREAT. SO, MATT, THE NEW ANALYTICS AND DETECTION PACKAGE.
COST AND TIME FRAME TO IMPLEMENT.
ON THE SPOT. GO. DEPENDING ON HOW MANY CAMERAS YOU NEED.
THEY'RE RIGHT AROUND THAT $25,000 IN INTERSECTION.
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SO ISN'T THERE LIKE 17 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ALONG 2499, LIGHTS-WISE? SOMEWHERE NEAR THERE. SOME OF THEM ALREADY HAVE THE ANALYTICS CAMERAS, THOUGH.OKAY. THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE THAT ALREADY HAVE THEM.
TIMEFRAME IN IMPLEMENT [INAUDIBLE] THEY PUT IN 18 THIS LAST THIS FROM FROM NOVEMBER TO JANUARY THEY PUT WELL YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE DETECTION EQUIPMENT, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO ANALYTICS AND THEN YOU HAVE TO ACT ON IT AS WELL. RIGHT.
SO THERE'S SOME A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
CAN YOU TELL? SO I THINK ONE THING THAT WOULD HELP.
I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, CHRIS. OKAY, SO THE EQUIPMENT WE'RE CURRENTLY BUYING AND PURCHASING IS THAT EQUIPMENT THAT WE COULD ADD NEW SOFTWARE OR USE A DIFFERENT SUPPLIER AND TRY AN AI SOFTWARE ALGORITHM.
MATT AT THIS POINT WOULD FIRST SET BE MAYBE IN THE CIP FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO DO THAT IMMEDIATE NEED FOR EQUIPMENT AND THEN FOR STAFF TO WORK ON TIMING THROUGH THAT SECTION AND IF YOU'RE ASKING IF WE CAN MIX AND MATCH DETECTION SYSTEMS THAT CAN WORK WITH THEIR CURRENT SIGNAL CONTROLLER, AS LONG AS THEIR DETECTION SYSTEMS AGNOSTIC, WHICH MOST OF THE ONES NOWADAYS ARE.
SO WE COULD DO FOR [INAUDIBLE] EXAMPLE, IF WE WANTED TO BRING IN AN AI PILOT, WE COULD PROVIDE THEM THE DATA AND SEE HOW IT WORKS, AND WORK WITH THEM.
INFORMATION [INAUDIBLE] HAD IN THE PAST WHEN YOU TRY TO DO THAT, THEY STILL WANT TYPICALLY THEY WANT MONEY UP FRONT BUT I MEAN I ASSUME YOU COULD.
OR THEY COULD RUN A SIMULATION AND SHOW HOW THEIR SYSTEM WOULD DO IT DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SEEING BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE THE DETECTION SYSTEM TO SEE HOW OUR TRAFFIC FLOW IS IS MOVING.
BE INTERESTING TO SEE AS WE SEE THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES, IF THEY COULD COMPARE WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING TO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO GO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES. THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER SYSTEMS THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE IN THE METROPLEX.
YEAH, THAT ONE OF THEM IS ACTUALLY CALLED NO TRAFFIC, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE PROBABLY ADVANCED THE AI THE MOST, AND SO THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF INSTALLATIONS AROUND THE METROPLEX THAT WE WANT TO GO SEE, AND THEN CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR RESULTS SLIDE.
SO WHAT PERCENTAGE IS THE ARRIVE AT GREEN.
HOW BIG OF AN INCREASE IS THAT? THERE WERE, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.
I WAS GOING TO GIVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE RIGHT.
I'M JUST WONDERING HOW WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE IMPROVEMENT? I CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU THAT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY JUST DENSITY INCREASING, RIGHT? THE TRAFFIC DENSITY, IT JUST MEANS A TRIP IS JUST ONE CAR GOING THROUGH THAT ONE INTERSECTION.
SO IF A CAR GOES THROUGH FIVE INTERSECTIONS, THAT'S FIVE ADDITIONAL TRIPS THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
WELL, THE SYSTEM IMPROVED BECAUSE WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] THROUGH BUT IT'S NOT THAT MANY VEHICLES THAT ARE GETTING THROUGH IT'S THAT MANY.
YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THE PEOPLE TURNED OFF SO IT'S BUT IT'S A TRIP THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
DID WE SEE ANY IMPROVEMENTS WHEN KIDS WERE OUT AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SCHOOL ZONES? I HAVE NOT CHECKED THE SUMMER DATA BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING COMPARISON FOR 2499.
INSTEAD OF RUNNING A TWO MINUTE CYCLE, WE SHORTEN THEM UP TO A ONE MINUTE CYCLE.
SO THE CYCLES OF THEM ARE COMING AROUND MUCH FASTER BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE VOLUME IS LESS.
ANYONE ELSE. MAYOR, I WANTED TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT SINCE THE TOPIC IS STREETS, IT'S KIND OF OPEN.
CAN WE SPEAK FOR A MOMENT ABOUT THE QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT SCENIC? AND THE RURAL COLLECTOR CONCERNS.
I THINK THE TOPIC ALLOWS THAT.
PRESENTATION TO DISCUSS TOWN STREETS AND ROADWAYS.
SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK IF WE WANT TO HAVE AN OVERALL DISCUSSION ABOUT SCENIC, BRINGING SOME EXHIBITS TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN IS THEY TALKED ABOUT WITH AND WHAT THAT SECTION LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT THE MASTER PLAN LOOKS LIKE OVERALL FOR THAT AREA.
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THAT MIGHT BE BETTER IF WE WERE ABLE TO BRING THOSE AND TALK ABOUT THEM WHERE WE'VE GOT THOSE EXHIBITS.IS THAT SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO AT A FUTURE MEETING? YEAH, I THINK IF WE COULD. I DON'T KNOW HOW IF WE HAVE ROOM ON THE SEVENTH, BUT BECAUSE A LOT OF IT ALSO TOUCHED ON THE TRAILWAYS AND BIKEWAYS MASTER PLAN AND 12FT VERSUS EIGHT FEET AND I THINK IT WAS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SCENIC SO THAT WE COULD BRING THAT IN AND SHOW WHAT THAT SECTION IS FOR SCENIC AND WHAT THE OTHER STREETS IN THAT GENERAL AREA ARE AND WHAT THE WIDTHS ARE AND WHAT THAT AREA LOOKS LIKE.
IS THAT MAYBE A GOOD PLAN TO TALK ABOUT SCENIC SPECIFICALLY? I THINK IT IS TIFFANY AND THE URBAN COLLECTOR STANDARD HAS A TWO 12 FOOT LANES AND A FIVE FOOT BIKE LANE AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 12 FOOT TRAIL ON EITHER SIDE.
THAT DOES SEEM KIND OF SILLY, RIGHT? SO YEAH, THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AS MUCH INVOLVEMENT FROM THOSE.
I KNOW THAT THE CONCERNS I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS JUST WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO THE TRAFFIC ON THE STREETS AROUND IT? SO YEAH, I THINK THE REAL QUESTION WOULD BE BETTER WHETHER THAT IS THE SECTION THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE OR IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE TO THE MASTER PLAN FOR THAT SCENIC CROSS SECTION. THAT WOULD BE WHAT THE QUESTION WOULD BE THAT WE COULD BRING INFORMATION TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS AND GET FEEDBACK ON WHETHER THAT'S THE SECTION IT NEEDS TO BE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO DO IT ON THE SEVENTH THAT WAY.
IT'S ALSO NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC WE HAD THE ONE LADY WHO CAME TO SPEAK ON MONDAY NIGHT ABOUT IT, AND THEN WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS WHO HAVE SPOKEN THIS EVENING.
SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER INTEREST FROM OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO IT ON THE SEVENTH AND NOTICE IT THAT IS THAT ENOUGH TIME FOR STAFF.
SO WHAT WE WILL DO, WE WILL SHOOT FOR THE SEVENTH.
IF NOT, THEN WE'LL GET IT ON THE 21ST.
IF WE'LL GET IT IN THE NEXT MONTH.
IF THERE'S NO LIKE I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE AGENDA LOOKS LIKE EITHER, BUT IF THERE'S OTHER TOWN ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF THAT YOU GUYS CAN BUMP SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT ON THERE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE THAT WILL ALSO ALLOW US TO THEN POSSIBLY CONTINUE THAT INTO THE WORK SESSION FOR AUGUST AS WELL.
OKAY. POSSIBLY. I'M JUST AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO MEET EXPECTATIONS.
SO IN MY MIND, I'VE GOT TWO TOPICS.
ONE IS KIND OF WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE PLAN FOR THE CROSS SECTION OF SCENIC AND I'VE HEARD SHILOH KIND OF PULLED INTO THAT AS WELL, AND I ALSO HEARD ABOUT TRAFFIC BEING GENERATED BY A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
SO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT? BECAUSE THAT'S IN PROCESS.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST SCENIC AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT IT'S MEANT TO BE WHEN IT GROWS UP? SO I THINK MY INTENT WAS THE CROSS SECTION AND PARTICULARLY THE WAY THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE REDESIGNED FOR THE CURVES IN THE ROAD AND THE WHATEVER TRAIL MIGHT BE ALONG SIDE OF IT AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE ACTUAL SCENERY AROUND THE ROAD AS WELL.
SO MORE ABOUT JUST THE ROAD ITSELF.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN JUST YET, AND I'M SURE YOU WILL KIND OF BRIEF BRYN ON THAT, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL DISCUSSING AN ACTIVE APPLICATION BEFORE SUPERSEDING ALL THE OTHER PROCESSES, RIGHT? SO IF WE CAN TRY TO KEEP THAT SCOPE FOR NOW.
ALTHOUGH EVERYONE KNOWS THERE'S AN APPLICATION.
RIGHT? BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
SO KEEP US ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW, PLEASE.
WELL, THANKS, PUBLIC WORKS, GUYS.
APPRECIATE ALL THE INFORMATION TONIGHT.
JAMES, WHO DO WE HAVE NEXT? I'LL GO AHEAD AND LET YOU PRONOUNCE THAT.
I JUST GOOGLED IT, ACTUALLY, SO I COULD GIVE IT A TRY.
[INAUDIBLE] WELL. GOOD EVENING, SIR.
GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, STAFF.
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILL IN FOR JERI HARWELL.
I'LL GIVE YOU SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
IT'S ONE TIME A WEEK TRASH AND RECYCLING CONTAINERS.
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YOU GET HHW AT YOUR DOOR AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE A MONTHLY PRIVILEGE TO GO TO CAMELOT LANDFILL IF YOU CHOOSE TO.SO A COMBINATION OF EITHER OR AND IT'S CURRENTLY PICKED UP AT THE SAME TRUCK AS YOUR TRASH.
SO BULK AND GREEN WASTE, YOU'RE CURRENTLY GOING TO THE LANDFILL.
SO TONIGHT WE'LL DISCUSS OPTIONS.
TWO OPTIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY PROVIDE IN SURROUNDING TOWNS, WHETHER IT BE FOR BULK OR GREEN WASTE IS WEEKLY OR MONTHLY, WE TYPICALLY LIMIT TO THOSE TWO OPTIONS.
THEY DO WANT TO COMPOST AND THEN BUNDLING THE BRUSH.
OBVIOUSLY THE BRUSH WOULD HAVE TO BE BUNDLED WITH TWINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAN BE COMPOSTED.
IT COULDN'T BE DUCT TAPE OR WIRE OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO A FEW CHANGES, BUT IT'S THE SAME IN BOTH OPTIONS, WHETHER IT'S WEEKLY OR MONTHLY.
SOME OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES THAT UTILIZE THIS: COPPELL HIGHLAND VILLAGE, THE COLONY, PROSPER.
WE'VE STARTED TALKS WITH THE CITY OF LEWISVILLE ABOUT POTENTIALLY DOING A PILOT PROGRAM THERE.
THEY ALL CURRENTLY USE WEEKLY.
SOME OF THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH OF THE OPTIONS.
IT'S ON THE SAME SERVICE DAY EACH WEEK.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO HOLD ON TO THE MATERIAL FOR A MONTHLY PICKUP.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO UTILIZE IT MORE.
OBVIOUSLY WITH THAT COMES SOME CONS.
THERE'S MORE ADMISSIONS, THERE'S MORE COST BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HAVING TO PICK IT UP EACH WEEK.
SO WITH THE GREATER DIVERSION COMES SOME OF THE CONS AS WELL, PROS AND CONS OF THE MONTHLY SERVICES.
BASICALLY THE INVERSE, IT'S GOING TO BE LOWER COST BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING LESS TRIPS, LESS WEAR AND TEAR ON THE STREETS AND EMISSIONS, BUT YOU ARE STILL DIVERTING MATERIAL FROM YOUR LANDFILL WITH THE MONTHLY OPTION BENEFITS OF THE MONTHLY OPTION.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY CHEAPER, BUT YOU ARE GETTING LESS DIVERSION.
SO IN THE CITIES I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT ARE ALL WEEKLY, THEY AVERAGE ANYWHERE FROM 8 TO 12% DIVERSION OF THEIR TOTAL TONNAGE WITH THIS PROGRAM NOT GOING TO THE LANDFILL.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO GO WITH IT, IF DEPENDING ON ON WHETHER DIVERSION IS THE MAIN OBJECTIVE, OBVIOUSLY WEEKLY WOULD BE THE BETTER OPTION IF YOU GET TO THAT POINT.
THAT WILL PROVIDE NOT ONLY US DATA ON HOW MUCH TIME AND MATERIAL IS GOING TO BE OUT THERE FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES YOU WITH, WITH CITIZENS INTEREST, PARTICIPATION AND ULTIMATELY DIVERSION THAT YOU WOULD GET FROM THE PROGRAM.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A 60 DAY PROGRAM.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET ABOUT A 5000 HOMES SAMPLE THROUGHOUT THE WEEK OVER A 60 DAY PERIOD.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
PICKING THE RIGHT TIME IS CRITICAL AND WE CAN DO IT ANY TIME, BUT I PUT TWO OPTIONS THERE.
SO NOVEMBER IS WHEN THE LEAVES TYPICALLY FALL AND OCTOBER IS LEADING UP TO THAT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET A GOOD SAMPLE THERE AS WELL.
SO BUT WE CAN DO ANY TIME THAT YOU CHOOSE.
BUT THAT WAS JUST TWO OPTIONS THAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU.
OBVIOUSLY, EDUCATION IS GOING TO BE KEY TO THE PROGRAM.
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THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.ITEMS TO CONSIDER AFTER AFTER RECEIVING THAT DATA BEFORE YOU GO INTO A FULL BLOWN PROGRAM.
OBVIOUSLY, IF WE GO TO A TOWN WIDE PROGRAM, WHETHER IT'S WEEKLY OR MONTHLY, IT WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL TRUCKS, ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL THAT WILL HAVE TO STAFF UP FOR AND OBVIOUSLY MORE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE STREETS WHERE YOU'RE HAVING TWO TRUCKS GO DOWN YOUR STREET RIGHT NOW, WHETHER IT BE THREE DEPENDING ON THE MONTHLY OR WEEKLY PROCESS.
SO BREAKING THOSE HABITS AND REALLY EDUCATING THEM WILL BE KEY TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS ACTUALLY SUCCESSFUL, AND OBVIOUSLY WITH NEW TRUCKS, WE HAVE TO DEPRECIATE THOSE OVER TIME, AND SO WE TYPICALLY DEPRECIATE THOSE OVER FIVE YEARS.
YOUR CURRENT CONTRACT WOULD COME UP FOR RENEWAL IN 2026.
SO ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO WAIT FOR THAT 2026 TO PUT IT IN OR IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL AND YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD EARLIER, WE COULD ALSO EXTEND FROM ANY PERIOD OF TIME TO GET TO THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD TO DEPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL ASSETS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM, AND WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
WHAT IS THE TYPICAL COST? WHAT ARE OTHER TOWNS SEEING AS COST INCREASES? IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE IN EACH FRANCHISE CITY THAT WE SERVICE OBVIOUSLY YOUR COMMERCIAL AND YOUR INDUSTRIAL MIX, THAT'S PART OF IT.
OTHER SERVICE OFFERINGS AND REALLY THIS PILOT PROGRAM WILL HELP US GIVE YOU A FAIR COST BECAUSE I CAN MAKE AN ASSUMPTION NOW ON HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE THAT TRUCK TO RUN THROUGH YOUR ENTIRE TOWN, AND IT'S ALL BASED OFF OF SET OUTS AND TONNAGE, BUT THIS PROGRAM WILL GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF HOW TO PRICE IT FAIRLY FOR YOU GUYS AS WELL.
IF WE GO AHEAD WITH EVEN THE PILOT OR A FULL IMPLEMENTATION, DO OUR RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO THE MULCH THAT'S CREATED FROM THE RECYCLING OF THE GREEN? WE TAKE OURS TO LIVING EARTH.
I MEAN, WE COULD BUILD THAT INTO THE PROGRAM.
I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT AS AN OPTION BECAUSE I THINK IT IS MORE OF AN INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IF THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING BACK, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE THE IMMEDIATE COST. CERTAINLY THEY'LL HAVE TO PURCHASE THE BAGS, BUT THEN IT'S CHANGING HABITS OF MAKING SURE YOU'RE USING THE BAGS AND THEN IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT BENEFIT, I THINK, AS AN OPTION JUST TO LOOK INTO IT.
WHAT? I MEAN IT IS GOING TO COST MORE MONEY.
SO WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
IF IT'S AN OPTION, JUST FIND OUT, ASK THE QUESTION, AND ONE OPTION WE COULD DO AND WE COULD WORK WITH THE STAFF ON THIS IS WE COULD TAKE A ROLL OFF OVER TO LIVING EARTH AND ON AGREED UPON AMOUNT OF OF MULCH BRING IT TO MAYBE THE PUBLIC WORKS SOMEWHERE CENTRALIZED IN TOWN AND THEY CAN GET IT THAT WAY OR THAT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT COULD WE USE IT YOU KNOW COULD PUBLIC WORKS DO YOU HAVE NEED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE TOWN IN THAT WAY? OH.
OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN CHECK AND SEE IF PARKS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST LOGICAL USE IN OUR PARK SYSTEM, AND SO I'M NOT AWARE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET WITH CHUCK AND FIND OUT.
WE HAVE A LITTLE MATRIX THAT I'M NOT SURE.
I THINK MAYBE STAFF OR SOMEBODY PUT TOGETHER AND IT'S VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND IT HAS WHAT EACH OF OUR SORT OF SISTER CITIES HAVE, AS FAR AS GUIDELINES AND WHAT THEY OFFER.
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WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THAT NEW CONTRACT LOOKS LIKE, THE FINAL PRICE WILL BAKE IN WHATEVER THIS PROGRAM LOOKS LIKE.BUT THERE'S NOT A KIND OF A USER FEE, IF YOU WILL, IF YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT COMPLIANCE.
SO DO ANY OF OUR PEER TOWNS OR CITIES HAVE PENALTIES FOR NONCOMPLIANCE OR LIKE HABITUAL MESSING UP THE PROGRAM? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.
IF IT'S NOT PROPERLY SET OUT, THEN IT ENDS UP IN THE TRASH.
THEN THEY'RE PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT USING.
CORRECT, AND I THINK THE PILOT PROGRAM WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT.
THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS, IS THE PERCEPTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY MORE FOR THIS SERVICE , BUT I THINK FROM A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS' PERSPECTIVE, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE COMPLICATED RIGHT NOW ONE OF THE THINGS I HEAR IS PEOPLE LOVE OUR TRASH AND RECYCLING SERVICE.
IT'S EASY. YOU PUT IT OUT BY THE CURB ON YOUR TRASH DAY AND IT'S GONE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A COUCH.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S 13 BAGS FULL OF LAWN CLIPPINGS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S LIMBS, IT'S GONE, AND I THINK THE PERCEPTION FOR SOME IS GOING TO BE IT'S A DIMINISHED SERVICE BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO BUNDLE THE TWIGS, WE'RE GOING HAVE TO PUT EVERYTHING IN THE COMPOSTABLE BAGS SO AND PAY ADDITIONAL COST.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE LANDFILL, BUT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EDUCATION COMPONENT BECAUSE I THINK IF THAT'S NOT THERE, THAT PERCEPTION COULD BE WE'RE PAYING MORE AND IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF A PAIN, AND WHAT'S THE COST FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM? WE WOULD DO IT ON A PER HOUR BASIS, PER HOUR, AND THAT WAY YOU'RE ONLY PAYING FOR A FREE TRIAL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL.
SORRY. HEY, CLAY, TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE CLAY CAN YOU NEGOTIATE THAT, PLEASE? BUT TYPICALLY YOU CHARGE BY THE HOUR.
WE WERE JUST JOKING. THAT WAS NOT [INAUDIBLE].
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GIVE US A BETTER IDEA SPECIFICALLY OF HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE BASED ON ESTIMATES IF WE WENT WITH THE ONE ROUTE PER DAY STAFF CHOICE, LIKE MAYBE YOU CAN GET WITH STAFF, YOU CAN IDENTIFY, AND THEN JUST LET US KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING OURSELVES INTO FROM A PILOT STANDPOINT, EVEN.
WELL, I DON'T WANT TO BE ALL WET HERE EITHER, BUT SORRY, IS THIS SOMETHING MAYBE LIKE ECC OR SOMEBODY CAN COUNCIL KIND OF HAS A BIG LIKE WE GOT A LOT ON OUR PLATE, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T HANDLE THIS, BUT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A PILOT OR A STUDY OR I MEAN THOSE FOLKS, I THINK AGAIN, I'M JUST MAKING A SUGGESTION.
SO. WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS WE WANTED TO HAVE WITH COUNCIL IS ANY DIRECTION.
SO RIGHT NOW I'M HEARING GENERAL INTEREST IN PILOT PROGRAM.
DO THEY KNOW THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO THE LANDFILL? WOULD THEY CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR IF THEY KNEW THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO? AND HOW MUCH OF A OBSTACLE IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE? SO WE CAN CERTAINLY SHARPEN THOSE PENCILS AND GET WITH REPUBLIC, PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL AND SWING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL.
SO JUST I KNOW YOU CAN'T GIVE US A PRICE, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR A BALLPARK.
HOW MUCH DOES IT INCREASE IN AVERAGE BILL? HOW MUCH DOES YOUR BILL GO UP? YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE TO TELL PEOPLE [INAUDIBLE].
TWO BUCKS? FOUR BUCKS? TEN BUCKS? I MEAN, IT WOULD TYPICALLY, AND I'M HONESTLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU TO IT.
I MEAN, IT WOULD PROBABLY TO RUN.
SO I'M GUESSING IT WOULD TAKE US 4 TO 5 TO RUN 1000 HOMES PER DAY.
SO YOU'RE TALKING 20 TO 25 HOURS A WEEK AND IT'S TYPICALLY IN THAT RANGE.
YOU'RE TALKING 135 AN HOUR TO RUN THE TRUCK AND THEN THE DISPOSAL OF IT.
I WAS KIND OF ASKING FOR WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR US?
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YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RESIDENT GOING TO.YEAH, NO, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST IN THE LONG RUN.
WELL, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT.
IS IT TEN BUCKS A MONTH PER HOUSEHOLD OR IS IT $10 PER HOUSEHOLD NOW? WE HAVE THIS REALLY GREAT MATRIX.
I'M ASSUMING THESE RATES ARE PROBABLY PUBLIC INFORMATION.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO SAY LIKE, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING FOR THAT RATE AND THAT'S WHY FLOWER MOUND IS TWICE AS LOW? OR YOU JUST COMPARE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN IS THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT DATA POINT TO HAVE.
ALSO SOME OF THESE SERVICES THAT VARY BETWEEN THE CITIES ON HERE, THERE'S A BIG VARIANCE TOO.
RIGHT? AND I KNOW SOME OF THAT MAY BE THE PROVIDER AND MAYBE JUST TO KEEP IT WITHIN SCOPE, JUST FOCUS IT ON OUR PROVIDER, RIGHT? BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S NOT YOU'RE NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE COMPETITOR OR WHATEVER.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD DATA POINT.
SO IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE THAN YEAH, IT WOULD BE ON TOP OF THAT.
SO WE MIGHT WANT TO KNOW THOSE NUMBERS, RIGHT? YEAH. GREG, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW DO YOU HANDLE SEASONALITY IF YOU GO OUT IN NOVEMBER, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF BAGS FULL OF LEAVES, BUT IF YOU GO OUT NOW, YOU MIGHT NOT GET ANYTHING. HOW DO YOU MANAGE THE VOLUME CHANGING OVER TIME? SO WE TYPICALLY BUILD OUR ROUTES TO HANDLE THE PEAK AND THEN THEY WILL BE DONE QUICKER IN THE DOWN SEASON AND GO HELP OTHER ROUTES THAT MIGHT NEED HELP, BUT IS IT PRICED ON THE ESTIMATE OF THE PEAK SEASON OR DO YOU LIKE DOLLAR COST AVERAGE THE WHOLE YEAR? WHAT WE WOULD DO IS TAKE THE PILOT PROGRAM, LIKE I SAID, TAKE A PEAK PEAK MONTH AND A NON PEAK MONTH AND THAT WOULD GIVE US A BALLPARK OF HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE AND THEN WE WOULD EXTRAPOLATE THAT OUT TO TAKE CARE OF THE TOWN AND THEN DIVIDE IT BY THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE IN THE TOWN AND THAT WOULD GET YOU YOUR INCREASE PER HOME, AND SO A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO DEPEND ON ON THE PILOT PROGRAM OF WHAT THE OVERALL COST WOULD BE.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S MORE TOWNS THAT HAVE THIS PROGRAM THAN DON'T.
SO WE'RE KIND OF AN OUTLIER, AND I THINK THE PILOT MAKES SENSE.
IT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE USE IT, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? AND IF WE CAN DIVERT 10% FROM OUR LANDFILL, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD THING, BUT YEAH, ECC COULD CERTAINLY EVALUATE WEEKLY VERSUS MONTHLY.
YEAH, I KNOW. [INAUDIBLE] LEAVES IN THE FALL.
I DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLACE TO PUT IT, SO.
YEAH IF IT'S NOT LIKE COUNCILMAN TAYLOR SAID, IF IT'S NOT SIMPLE WEEKLY EVERY TIME, NO WORRIES, THEN IT'S UNLIKELY TO GET A LOT OF USE, AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY BUNDLING THERE YOU KIND OF HAVE TO DO THAT ALREADY OR THEY WON'T TAKE IT NOW.
SO I THINK THAT AS FAR AS THE PROCESS OF PUTTING IT OUT THERE, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME, RIGHT? YES AND NO.
SOMETIMES THEY JUST THROW IT RIGHT IN THE TRASH [INAUDIBLE].
WELL, YEAH, AND YOU CAN STILL DO THAT TOO, THOUGH.
THAT'S THE THING. IF YOU WANTED THE BUNDLED STUFF, THEY HAVE THE BENEFIT, THOUGH, RIGHT? BUT YOU HAVE TO TIE EVERYTHING UP NOW OR THEY WON'T TAKE IT.
SO ACTUALLY, I THINK I TIE EVERYTHING YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BUNDLE AND ACTUALLY IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY LIKE 40% BECAUSE IF YOU JUST ONLY LOOK AT REPUBLIC SERVICES, IT'S ONLY THREE OF THE EIGHT. RIGHT.
SO IF YOU INCLUDE THE COMPETITORS.
YEAH, BUT THREE OF THE EIGHT DON'T USE IT.
SO, AND THEN I GUESS, JUST GENERALLY, COULD IT BE AN OPTION FOR FOR CUSTOMERS OR DO WE HAVE TO DO IT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE ROUTE? IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DO LIKE A PAY AS YOU GO SUBSCRIPTION TYPE THING.
YEAH, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE RUNNING YOUR ENTIRE YOU CAN DROP IT OFF AT LIVING EARTH.
IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, YOU CAN DROP IT.
IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO YOU COULD DROP IT OFF AT LIVING EARTH.
YEAH. YEAH. IS THERE ANY BENEFIT? JUST IF WE DIDN'T PROCEED AFTER THE PILOT PROGRAM, IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO JUST ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO USE THE RECYCLABLE PAPER BAGS? BECAUSE THEN CONCEIVABLY THAT WOULD DEGRADE FASTER IN THE LANDFILL, TOO, THAT WOULD HELP IN THE LANDFILL? YEAH. OKAY. WELL, BUT JUST THINKING OF OPTIONS.
YEAH, JUST OPTIONS LIKE SQUARE HOLDER TO KEEP THEM OPEN TO.
WHAT ELSE ABOUT GREEN WASTE? [INAUDIBLE] YOU GUYS HAVE A CLEAR CUT.
NO, WE HAVE A GOOD SENSE; WE'LL WORK WITH CRAIG AND THE TEAM AT REPUBLIC AND START PUTTING SOME STUFF TOGETHER AND COME BACK AND KEEP YOU UPDATED ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE POTENTIAL PRICE OF A PILOT.
THANK YOU. CRAIG, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.
I APPRECIATE IT. DO WE WANT TO PUSH THROUGH? PUSH THROUGH. I CAN PUSH THROUGH.
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OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD A DIALOG ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS.THANK YOU, JAMES. MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL.
I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON BACKGROUND TONIGHT.
WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND COMMISSION OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
AS YOU ARE AWARE, THOSE FOCUS GROUPS BEGAN AND WERE HELD IN SPRING OF 2021.
WE HAVE BEEN, AS YOU ARE AWARE, IN KIND OF A HOLDING PATTERN ON THIS COMMISSION BECAUSE TOWN COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED STAFF TO ADDRESS BOTH RESIDENT AND COMMISSIONER CONCERNS THROUGH A REVISED RESOLUTION AND COMMISSION.
SO WE'VE BEEN IN THIS HOLDING PATTERN BECAUSE WE'VE RECOGNIZED THE DIFFICULTY IN COMBINING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT WITH THE DUTIES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY ASSIGNED TO THIS COMMISSION.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WE'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE, I WANTED TO BRING IT BACK BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THINGS HERE AND WHAT WE DID IS WE TRIED TO SIMPLIFY SOME OF THE MISSIONS, THE GOALS OF THE ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND EXCUSE ME COMMISSION, AND FOR THOSE WE KIND OF TRY TO SIMPLIFY IT INTO LISTEN, SHARE, WELCOME, CELEBRATE, AND THEN WE WENT A STEP FURTHER AND REALIZED THAT THESE ARE ALMOST KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS, BUT BUT TWO FUNCTIONS. SO THE FIRST ONE, LISTEN AND SHARE.
I THINK THAT WAS BEST KIND OF CAPTURED IN THE ORIGINAL FOCUS GROUPS.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE ORIGINAL FOCUS GROUPS.
WHEN WE CREATED THAT COMMISSION, WE HAD THE MEETINGS.
WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY FOLKS COME IN AS WE'VE HAD HAD IN THE FOCUS GROUPS ON WELCOME AND CELEBRATE.
WE REALIZED THAT, HEY, THERE'S A CHARGE TO KIND OF BE AMBASSADORS FOR THE TOWN FROM THIS GROUP TO BE OUT THERE TO HELP WELCOME FOLKS AND ALSO CELEBRATE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
SO ON MY NEXT SLIDE, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS JUST AN OPTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO TONIGHT AND THIS IS WHAT STAFF IS BRINGING FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION, AND IT'S TO POSSIBLY CONVERT THE ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND COMMISSION INTO A FLOWER MOUND AMBASSADOR GROUP.
SO, TSO, THERESA, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU ALL DO A GREAT JOB ON THE CITIZENS ACADEMY, AND WE REALIZE THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME OUT, THEY'RE WELL INFORMED AND THEY'RE WELL EQUIPPED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THERE'S AN IDEA OF IS IF WE CAN GET THOSE FOLKS WHO KNOW WHERE TO SEND PEOPLE WHO WHO KNOW THOSE THINGS AND THEY CAN GO OUT AND THEY CAN WELCOME AND CELEBRATE PEOPLE AT THESE EVENTS, BUT THEY ALSO CAN LISTEN AND THEY CAN ALSO SHARE, IF THEY ARE SO INCLINED, WITH TOWN COUNCIL WHAT THEY'VE HEARD AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS CAN REALLY HIT ALL THOSE NOTES.
A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO GET THROUGH TOO IS FOCUS GROUPS IF ON THE AMBASSADOR GROUP WE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO WELCOME CELEBRATE, WE ALSO KNOW THAT THEY CAN LISTEN AND SHARE WHILE THEY'RE AT THOSE EVENTS.
THAT'S ACTUALLY HOW WE DID THE FIRST ALTOGETHER.
FLOWER MOUND FOCUS GROUPS AND THEN ADDITIONALLY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIESTEL.
I KNOW YOU'VE BROUGHT THIS UP MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE'VE BEEN PRETTY ADAMANT ABOUT TRYING TO SEPARATE FLOMO CONVOS FROM ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND BUT I THINK AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE A POINT THAT FLOMO CONVOS IS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INITIATIVE AND ITS MISSION IS VERY SIMILAR TO ONE OF ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND'S COMMISSION.
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CAN SEE IT WORKING FAIRLY WELL WITH AN AMBASSADOR GROUP KIND OF IN CONJUNCTION, AND THEN TOWN COUNCIL ALWAYS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU SEE FIT OR FUTURE COUNCIL SEE FIT TO HAVE FOCUS GROUPS, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO THAT.SO THIS WAS TRYING TO AND LET ME GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE, THE HARD PART REALLY WITH THIS AMBASSADOR GROUP AND THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IS WE REALIZE THAT JUST WON'T HAPPEN, RIGHT? YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE THAN YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THREE PEOPLE AT A CERTAIN EVENT, AND WE KIND OF WANT PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND EXAMPLE AND THERESA I BELIEVE YOU SHARED THIS WITH COUNCIL.
OUR SCHOOL LIAISON COMMITTEE WENT OUT TO ARGYLE.
WE DON'T WANT 50 PEOPLE SHOWING UP TO THAT EVENT, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION, SOME MORE REPRESENTATION FROM FLOWER MOUND AT SOME OF THOSE EVENTS. SO THIS IS AN IDEA WE WANTED TO BRING IT FORWARD.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS THIS ALL WORK AND WORK WELL AND BE AN ASSET FOR THE TOWN, AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD.
NOW, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO OPEN IT UP FOR SOME DISCUSSION.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS SOME THOUGHTS ON THIS FLOWER MOUND AMBASSADOR GROUP.
I ALSO JUST WANTED TO LET JUST REITERATE THAT WE DO HAVE CURRENT COMMISSIONERS.
WE DO HAVE A CURRENT BOARD AND COMMISSION APPLICATION PROCESS THAT IS ALREADY UNDERWAY.
I BELIEVE IT GOES TO THE 28TH OF AUGUST IS WHEN IT'S OPEN.
THEY'RE LOOKING MAYBE TO GO TO ANOTHER COMMISSION.
ALSO, WE WILL HAVE CERTAIN OR CURRENT BOARD AND COMMISSION APPLICATIONS THAT MAY HAVE IDENTIFIED ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND OR SOMETHING THAT THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN, AND WE CAN ATTEND THAT OPEN HOUSE AND BE ABLE TO SHARE AND DIRECT WITH THOSE PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
TRY TO GET SOME DIRECTION ON WHERE WE WANT TO HEAD WITH THIS.
SO I REALIZE WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AT THE END OF THIS IS DIRECTION AND NEXT STEPS ON ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND.
THANKS JP. YES, SIR, AND COUNCIL.
I MEAN, I JUST. I DON'T HAVE TO GO FIRST EVERY TIME, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT HONOR.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS, AND I DID PROVIDE MY COMMENTS, AND JP, YOU'RE SO PATIENT WITH ME. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, AND YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK BECAUSE I KNOW THE CHALLENGES THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS JOURNEY, HAVING BEEN THERE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE FOCUS GROUPS AND THEN TODAY.
SO I DO LIKE THE AMBASSADOR GROUP IDEA.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A FEW MORE RECOMMENDATIONS, OBVIOUSLY NOT TONIGHT, BUT ABOUT HOW YOU ENVISION THAT THE MECHANICS OF THAT, THE NUTS AND BOLTS AND I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE ACTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, WE HAVE BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS COMING UP, INTERVIEWS, APPOINTMENTS, ET CETERA, AND I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THIS GROUP HANGING AGAIN.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THIS DIRECTION AND DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, TOO.
I THINK PART OF THE I WANT TO SAY, I GUESS, FRUSTRATION IS, IS THAT WHAT ARE THE MARCHING ORDERS AND THE INTENDED GOAL OF THE GROUP? AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS AWFULLY IMPORTANT.
IF WE DO GET TO CHARGE TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR NEXT STEPS AS A STAFF IS TO FULLY FORMULATE THAT, AND AGAIN, THIS CONCEPT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ESTABLISHED IN IRVING DURING MY TIME THERE, AND SO WE WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM.
SOME OF THOSE FOLKS GO TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE TIME, COMMITMENT OR DESIRE TO DO THAT, BUT THEY WANT TO BE ENGAGED AND INVOLVED AND JUST REALLY AND I'LL SHARE THIS JUST ANECDOTALLY, EVEN SOME OF OUR ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND COMMISSION MEMBERS WERE AT INDEPENDENCE FEST JUST VOLUNTEERING I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE VALUE IS OF JUST SAYING THAT WE'RE ENGAGED, WE'RE VISIBLE, WE'RE OUT THERE, WE'RE HELPING OUT THE TOWN WHERE WE CAN, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO REALLY LEVERAGE WITH THAT, AND SO WHAT WE CAN WORK ON INTERNALLY IS FLESHING OUT WHAT IS THE TIME COMMITMENT, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE NEED PEOPLE OUT THERE? WHAT ARE THE THINGS IN ADDITION TO SAY WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO DIDN'T GO THROUGH CIVIC ACADEMY? IS THAT A PREREQUISITE THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE? OR THERE'S A DIFFERENT SET OF TRAINING AND EXPOSURE TO O THE TOWN STAFF AND WHATNOT.
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SO THIS IS GOING TO MOVE PRETTY QUICK.LOGISTICALLY, ARE YOU THINKING THAT YOU WOULD TAKE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF MEETINGS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO PRESENT WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, BUT THEN WOULD YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE READY? BECAUSE WE NEED TO CHANGE IT BY ORDINANCE, DON'T WE? SO I BELIEVE FROM HERE, AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO GET THAT DIRECTION, AND YES, IF WE DO GET THE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM THERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH WITH BRYN, WITH THERESA AS WELL, AND WE'LL ALSO GET EVERYTHING FROM FROM IRVING AND HELP BUILD THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.
IF WE CAN GET THAT DIRECTION TONIGHT, WE CAN LET THE CURRENT COMMISSIONERS KNOW I CAN ATTEND THE OPEN HOUSE OF THE BOARD AND COMMISSION OPEN HOUSE, WHICH IS IN THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST, AND THEN HELP EXPLAIN THAT.
I'M NOT 100% SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
WELL, I JUST DON'T WANT TO MISS THE CYCLE BECAUSE IF WE SAY TO THEM, OH, YOU CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND DO OTHER THINGS AND THEY ALL DO THAT, THEN WE HAVE NO ONE WOULD WE HAVE TO RECRUIT? CAN WE RECRUIT OFF CYCLE AND GET THAT GOING AGAIN? HOW DOES THAT WORK? YOU CAN DO THAT ANY TIME.
RIGHT. THIS GROUP THAT WE'RE DESCRIBING, THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS THEY ARE OUT THERE IN THOSE EVENTS THEY'RE ATTENDING AND THEY'RE TRYING TO SPREAD SOME OF THAT INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE LEARNED FROM SPEAKING WITH US, FROM ATTENDING CITIZENS ACADEMY, BEING REALLY ENGAGED IN THE TOWN AND BEING ABLE TO BE THAT SOURCE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE THE CHANGE OF THIS WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MEETINGS.
WE WON'T COME IN HERE AND WE WON'T HAVE AMBASSADOR MEETINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'LL BE AN AMBASSADOR GROUP THAT WE CAN CALL ON.
WE CAN YOU KNOW, I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE A COMMUNITY EVENT, TOWN EVENT, CALENDAR SO THEY KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND TO SEE IF WE CAN GET FOLKS OUT TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT EVENTS AND REPRESENT THE TOWN.
HOW WOULD HOW WOULD THEY REPORT OUT? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MEETINGS, WHAT WOULD BE THE [INAUDIBLE] BEING SUCCESSFUL? YEAH. SO THAT RIGHT THERE WE'RE GOING TO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO GET WHAT IRVING HAS AND KIND OF LOOK AT THAT FEEDBACK LOOP.
I THINK THAT THE FEEDBACK LOOP FOR THEM AS AMBASSADORS IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY TO YOU, TOWN COUNCIL, AND JUST LIKE RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS, IF THEY'RE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEY GO TO AN EVENT AND THEY HEAR SOMETHING, WE WOULD ASK THEM TO SHARE IT WITH TOWN COUNCIL, SHARE IT WITH STAFF AS WELL, SO WE CAN GET TO WORK ON IT, AND SO IF I MAY JUST AGAIN KIND OF CONVEYING WHAT I'M THINKING HERE IS THAT THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT'S NOT A BOARD OR COMMISSION NO LONGER.
SO THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT TO REPORT OUT.
NAMELY, YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A MEETING TO REPORT THINGS THAT YOU'RE HEARING, AND I'LL JUST KIND OF JUST ANECDOTALLY, WHAT I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT IS, IS THAT IF THEY ENGAGE SOMEBODY AND THEY FIND, HEY, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, THEY DON'T NEED TO GO TO THE COUNCIL OR [INAUDIBLE], THEY CAN SHARE THAT TO US ADMINISTRATIVELY AND SAY, HEY, THERE MAY BE A GAP IN KNOWLEDGE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM IN TOWN.
LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, LET'S TIE IT TO THE GREEN WASTE.
THEY TALK TO PEOPLE AND SAY, HEY THE TOWN HAS A GREEN WASTE PILOT.
THAT'S WHERE THEY PROVIDE THE VALUE.
I THINK IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PULLING INFORMATION IN, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN USE FLOMO CONVOS.
I THINK WE HAVE OTHER AVENUES TO PULL KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE FEEDBACK ON THINGS GOING ON IN TOWN.
I DON'T THINK THIS GROUP NECESSARY NEEDS A MEETING TO COME BACK AND REPORT TO US.
THEY CAN SHOOT US A SIMPLE EMAIL, WE CAN JUST ENGAGE THEM ON OUR OWN.
SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS GROUP ISN'T GOING TO BE FORMALIZED IN THE SENSE THAT THEY'RE COMING TOGETHER IN MEETINGS AND REPORTING OUT INFORMATION, BUT WOULD THEY STILL HAVE A STAFF LIAISON.
OKAY, SO, COUNCIL MEMBER DREW ASKED THAT QUESTION, I GUESS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO GAUGE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS GROUP AND HOW IS IT BEING EFFECTIVE.
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WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ITEM FOR THE AUGUST 7TH MEETING HERE, BUT YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAD A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED THAT SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND SO BUT I'M WILLING TO FIND OUT WHAT WHAT IRVING IS DOING AND HOW IT'S HOW THE PROGRAM THERE IS OPERATING AND I THINK WE'D ALL BE OPEN TO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME FAIRLY QUICK DECISIONS.IF THAT OPEN HOUSE IS ON THE 10TH AND PEOPLE HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER THAT TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATIONS FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN CASE THEY WANT TO MOVE ALONG TO SOMEPLACE ELSE, OR WE WANT NEW MEMBERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM.
SURE, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, AND WE CAN SHOOT FOR THE SEVENTH, BUT I THINK THAT THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE IN ASSESSING THIS AND WORKING ON THIS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS IS, IS THAT THIS, I'M TRYING TO PROVIDE CLARITY OF MISSION, AND WE CAN SET THAT UP.
WHAT I JUST NEED TO KNOW FROM THE COUNCIL IS WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS GET AHEAD OF YOU.
IF YOU WANT US TO BRING SOMETHING AND YOU ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHETHER IT SHOULD SUPPLANT ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND OR IF WE COME TO SEVEN, IF YOU'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH WHAT WE BRING IS THE GENERAL IDEA THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT GROUP, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO SEEK SOME CLARITY, BECAUSE I JUST SEE THAT AT THIS POINT IT SHOULD BE A SHIFT OR AN EVOLUTION TO MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION THAN A BOARD OR COMMISSION, AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO ALIGN THAT WITH DECISIONS WITH THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR WITH THAT SO WE CAN PUT INFORMATION TOGETHER FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOU.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY AND ONE OF THEM SOUNDS LIKE ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND GOES AWAY, EVOLVES OVER INTO THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM , BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT RELATIVELY SHORT TIME FRAME JUST BECAUSE OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION APPLICATION TIME FRAME, BECAUSE IT MAY BE THAT, YOU KNOW CURRENT MEMBERS DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT AND OR THAT PROGRAM GOES AWAY COMPLETELY, IT SOUNDS LIKE, AND JUST EVOLVES INTO SOMETHING ELSE, AND I THINK WE OWE IT TO EVERYBODY TO HAVE A DIRECTION SO THEY KNOW WHAT WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO PARTICIPATION WITH THE TOWN.
I WOULD PERSONALLY BE OKAY WITH MAKING THE DECISION THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AN AMBASSADOR PROGRAM AND NOT ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND AS A BOARD AND COMMISSION, MAKE THAT DECISION TONIGHT, AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO IRON OUT THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT AMBASSADOR PROGRAM IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, THEN WE CAN TAKE THE TIME TO GET IT RIGHT, BUT GO AHEAD AND SAY TONIGHT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BOARD AND COMMISSION GOING FORWARD, BUT THAT'S JUST IS THAT A DECISION WE ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE ACTION.
IT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU CAN MAKE TO US BECAUSE IT'S DONE BY ORDINANCE.
MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE IN A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA, WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THE ACTION ON THAT AGENDA BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO DISSOLVE THE GROUP AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ELIMINATE THE ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S TAKING FORMAL ACTION, RIGHT? YOU CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION. SO, OKAY, IF YOU ARE LEANING TOWARDS ACTUALLY NOT HAVING ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND AS A COMMISSION, WE COULD REMOVE THAT AS AN OPTION FROM THE APPLICATION IMMEDIATELY IF THAT WE DO GET THE CONSENSUS THAT IS THE INTENT.
SO I'M SATISFIED WITH THE INTENTIONS ORIGINALLY OF WHAT ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.
I DO SEE THAT REFLECTED IN YOUR VISION HERE, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
SO I AM OKAY WITH US GOING AWAY FROM THAT AND EVOLVING IT TOWARD THIS.
I'M GOING TO BE GINGERLY, RIGHT? SO IF IT MEANS DISSOLVING ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND, I'M ALL FOR IT.
RIGHT, AND NOT TO BE OFFENDED, BUT WE'RE THE ELECTED AMBASSADORS OF THE TOWN.
OKAY. I THINK AMBASSADOR IS A VERY IMPORTANT TITLE.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD USE THAT.
I THINK YOU SHOULD COME UP WITH AN ACRONYM.
ADVOCATE. I HAVE AN IDEA FOR THAT.
I'M NOT REALLY SOLD ON THE IDEA.
I MEAN, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LIKE, CHAMBER HAS AMBASSADORS, RIGHT? AND THEY WORK WITH SMALL BUSINESS, AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAYBE THE TOWN HAVING AN AMBASSADOR TO ALSO HELP SMALL BUSINESS TO HELP THEM OTHER THAN JUST PARKING AT INDEPENDENCE FEST, HELP THEM THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS, BE AN AMBASSADOR ALSO OF A SMALL
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BUSINESS OF THE TOWN, NOT JUST AN INDIVIDUAL WHO NEEDS TO FIND OUT IF THE SPLASH PAD IS GOING TO HAVE AN EVENT.WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WELCOMING, CELEBRATING, LISTENING AND SHARING.
WELL, YOU DO, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW YOU YET.
EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO GET [INAUDIBLE].
WE'RE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE THE AMBASSADORS OF THE TOWN.
LET ME JUMP IN HERE. I JUST HAVE AN ISSUE.
I'M GOING TO LET IT GO. I JUST HAD TO SAY MY PIECE.
WE TAKE IT AND USUALLY IT ENDS UP BEING OKAY.
LET ME JUMP IN HERE. [INAUDIBLE] I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT.
THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA THAT CAME UP DURING THIS PROCESS.
SO IN YOUR MIND, IS THE AMBASSADOR GROUP LIMITED IN SIZE OR LIKE THE LIAISON FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS UNLIMITED POTENTIAL, LIKE THE FLOWER MOUND CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION? I THINK THAT AND WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS TIMELINE HERE, I THINK THE FIRST WITH THE ALTOGETHER FLOWER MOUND THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKING THAT AWAY, I THINK THAT'LL BE NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO IS GOING TO BE DIALING IN ON THESE EXACT QUESTIONS ON HOW IT SHOULD BE SET UP, BECAUSE I DO THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DO THINK IT WOULD BE MORE OF THAT OPEN GROUP.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT PEOPLE CAN ATTEND TO, AND TO YOUR POINT, WE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AROUND AND COLLECT THOSE EVENTS AND FIGURE OUT HOW MANY EVENTS ARE THIS GROUP GOING TOWARDS, AND MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT, I'M GOING TO START WORKING ON A DIFFERENT WORD OTHER THAN AMBASSADOR TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS WORK SESSION IS ABOUT THOUGH.
THE MORE WE GAIN FROM YOU ALL THE MORE THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND PUT INTO ACTION WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND SO IT'S GOOD THAT YOU SAID THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, AND I WOULD ALSO FEEL A WHOLE LOT BETTER IF THERE WERE SOME TYPE OF REQUIREMENT LIKE WE LIKE.
RIGHT. AS SOMETHING THAT HELPS, AND I THINK I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO STRONGLY CONSIDER THAT TO BE AN ACTUAL REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THAT RIGHT THERE SHOWS THE RESIDENTS' COMMITMENT TO LEARN ABOUT THE TOWN AND UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST.
WE REALLY ONLY HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO DO IT ONCE A YEAR.
WE CAN ONLY ACCOMMODATE 20, 30 PEOPLE.
IS THAT RIGHT ABOUT THAT? SO THAT WOULD FURTHER LIMIT THE OPPORTUNITIES TO SERVE.
I THINK THERE CAN BE PEOPLE WHO CAN HELP OUT AT DIFFERENT EVENTS IN DIFFERENT WAYS AS VOLUNTEERS AND MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY BE APPOINTED AND MAYBE WE DON'T EVEN APPOINT THEM IN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A BOARD OR COMMISSION.
SO IT WOULD BE UP TO STAFF, THE LIAISON TO REALLY MANAGE PARTICIPATION.
I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE THAN THOSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY ON THE COMMISSION BECAUSE YOU.
I MEAN YOU CAN'T GO TO EVERY SINGLE ONE.
THAT'S WHY I'M NOT LIKE, BUT SO I DON'T KNOW THAT MAKING THAT SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT WOULD BE TOO LIMITING, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE CAN'T GIVE EVERYONE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT TRAINING EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
SO IF EXCUSE ME, IF I MAY, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I RECOGNIZE, I GENERALLY SEE SOME CONSENSUS ABOUT US TAKING A STEP IN THIS EVOLUTION. I THINK THE NEXT STEP FOR US IS TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE SOLID FOOTING THAN THIS CONCEPT THAT WE'RE SHARING HERE TONIGHT, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT GOING INTO THE SEVENTH, BUT AGAIN, I THINK WHERE THE VALUE IS, IS THAT IF YOU SEE ANYBODY WHO GOES THROUGH CITIZEN ACADEMY, ONCE THEY GET OUT THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S LIKE THEIR EYES HAVE BEEN OPENED TO SCALES USING A BIBLICAL TERM, THE SCALES HAVE COME OUT THEIR EYES.
THEY GET A SENSE OF ALL THAT GOES ON WITH US AS A MUNICIPAL ORGANIZATION, AND THEY'RE EQUIPPED MORE THAN PROBABLY 95% OF THE POPULATION OUT THERE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER BASIC QUESTIONS. SO I THINK JUST FROM THE FEEDBACK I'VE HEARD AND CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO PROVIDE, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO CUT THE CONVERSATION OFF BY ANY STRETCH, BUT WE ARE I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE HAVE TO PULL TOGETHER TO SHOW TO YOU BEFORE WE GET THE GREEN LIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD AND SO I THINK JUST ULTIMATELY WITH TIME AND SUBSEQUENT CLASSES, YOU GET MORE AND MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED, AND I DON'T SEE IT AS A SET NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIKE NINE PER SE, BECAUSE THE MORE YOU HAVE, SOME PEOPLE AREN'T AVAILABLE TO GO DO CERTAIN.
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE WILLING TO OR DON'T WANT TO GO TO A SPECIFIC EVENT.
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BECAUSE AND MAYOR, I WANT TO TOUCH ON SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED, BECAUSE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL, BUT THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A WEBSITE, EVEN THOUGH WE POST STUFF ON SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW.I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY IT LIKE THAT, BUT REALLY NOBODY'S WATCHING, BUT THAT'S OKAY, BUT THERE'S MILLIONS WATCHING, BUT ULTIMATELY, IT'S ANOTHER CONDUIT THAT WE HAVE TO GET INFORMATION OUT, AND THE MORE AVENUES WE HAVE TO GET INFORMATION OUT, THE BETTER, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WHERE PEOPLE WE SAY WE HAVE ROBUST INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE, THEY JUST DON'T LOOK AT IT, AND I JUST YOU WANT TO LEVERAGE PEOPLE'S PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS WHERE THEY GO TO CHURCH, WHO THEY GO TO PTA WITH.
THE MORE PEOPLE THAT WE CAN HAVE EQUIPPED IN DIFFERENT CIRCLES THAT CAN TOUCH ON PEOPLE WHERE THEY GO AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO JUST BRINGS UP RANDOMLY SOMETHING THAT IS GOING ON AND WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT SAYS, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, BUT DID YOU REALIZE THAT THIS IS THE TRUTH? AND WHY DON'T YOU GIVE A CALL TO OUR TOWN MANAGER, JAMES CHILDERS? WHY DON'T YOU REACH OUT TO TOMMY DALTON? I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE VALUE IS.
THEY KNOW ENOUGH TO GO AND SAY BEFORE YOU EMAIL TOWN COUNCIL AND TELL THEM ALL THESE THINGS YOU CAN YOU CAN ENGAGE YOUR STAFF AND BUILD THE RELATIONSHIPS AND UNDERSTAND THERE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, HERE'S THE SECRET FOR THE MILLIONS WATCHING AT HOME.
THEY REACH OUT TO Y'ALL, Y'ALL REACH OUT TO US, WE GIVE YOU THE ANSWER AND IT GOES BACK.
IF WE CAN START BRIDGING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS BEFORE IT HAS TO GO THROUGH, Y'ALL, WE'RE ABLE TO RESOLVE ISSUES QUICKER, AND DURING THE COURSE OF MY CAREER, WHEN YOU BUILD THE RELATIONSHIPS, THAT'S THE GREAT THING.
SO I KNOW WHAT OUR HOMEWORK IS.
I THINK JP AND I'S ITINERARY IS GOING TO BE FILLED TOMORROW.
AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DON'T HAVE A LOGO AND BRANDING ALREADY SET UP.
THERE'S FLEXIBILITY ON HOW WE CAN GO WITH THIS AND WE CAN LAND ON SOMETHING THAT FITS FLOWER MOUND SO I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT BECAUSE REALLY THE CONSENSUS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT YOU AS A BODY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS TRANSITION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE, BUT YOU WANT MORE DETAILS AND MORE MEAT TO KIND OF ULTIMATELY BUY OFF ON THE DECISION, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
I HEARD TWO THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO DISSOLVING IT EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY FROM TAKING OFF THE APPLICATION OPTION AND GETTING WITH BRYN TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO ADMINISTRATIVELY TO PAPER IT UP.
THANK YOU. WHICH IS JUST A MAJORITY FOR MOVING FORWARD, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT.
MADE SURE BEFORE WE STARTED THIS PROCESS THAT I TOOK THAT OPTION OFF THE APPLICATION.
STRAIGHT AND NARROW. THAT'S HOW I LIKE TO.
OKAY, SO WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS.
ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, THE TIME IS NOW 8:43 AND THE TOWN COUNCIL IS CONVENING INTO A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 551, SECTION 071, 072, 074 AND 087.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.